What Many People Are Not Talking About in the Conversation on Pronouns
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2024
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This video is a discussion of the use of personal pronouns as chosen personal identifiers in relation to social cohesion.
If we continue down this road of isolated individualism, language will become meaningless. Then, we will be able only to sit in silence and stare at each other.
Until staring becomes too triggering. Then just sitting in silence.
Degradation of language is a feature of the modern age by design. It goes well beyond pronouns. Tik Tok is not a tool of Chinese communism, it, along with most of social media is specifically designed to reduce attention span and the depth of conversations.
Thinking deeply and carefully is essential to contemplate the Christian life, and even understand the need for salvation.
My twin brother has recently come out as trans. We live in a liberal area and he has made it clear that he will try and force me to use his new name and pronouns when he starts using them. This could result in social leprosy, seeing that many of my friends are liberal and/or LGBT. Pray for him, please.
I’ll pray for you to get better friends.
Lol. I pray for you.
Jordan Peterson said something along the lines of, “the gender craze is partly fuelled by people confusing temperaments and personalities for genders”, and I think that sums up why this gender pronoun nonsense is, well, nonsense. For example, a man who has a softer temperament is still just as much a man who doesn’t have such a temperament.
Yes, that is very true.
That's why they bifurcated the once synonymous words "sex" and "gender," applying their own definition to the latter.
This will only stop when someone makes it stop.
This also applies to congregations and church bodies. You can't have a cohesive church body (LCMS/AALC) if each member believes doctrinally as he pleases. This also applies to our communion practice (communion = common union) and why we have Closed Communion.
As an Orthodox Presbyterian, I agree with you.
ELCA will struggle to hear that one, but as a LCMS member you’re 100% right
Never thought of the underlying reasons for loneliness in society that way. I think it partially explains why the swedes are experiencing more loneliness than their neighbors finns.
Genius talk, perfectly said. Thank you for this.
I enjoy your thoughts on etiquette. It’s refreshing to hear someone discuss its importance in society.
Thank you for the comments. One thing to add perhaps about the perniciousness of the pronoun game is that it seems to proceed from a deep desire to control other people's thoughts and behavior. Most of us only ever use a second person pronoun when addressing each other (in English, with the added ambiguity that it's never clear whether it's a formal You or an informal 'thou'). The pronoun question really only comes up in speech about others that they're not party to most of the time (formal address excluded, which I had not considered previously). I have been very worried about what that says about social interactions when people always communicate to others how they would like others to talk about them. A natural worry (vain as I am, I wish people would only say good things about me), but one that is taken to an unhealthy extreme with the pronoun game. It reminds me too much of totalitarian dictators policing speech.
I want to note one other thing about religion undergirding social interactions. I think what you say is true, but it's open to lazy secular objections that we obviously don't need any particular (or historical) religion in order to have society work. In that form, the argument I think works, as creeping secularization (or even totally atheist societies like various communist states) shows. What is perhaps more important to point out is that we make a religion regardless of how it's institutionalized. Perhaps this would have derailed the topic of the video, but I think it is important to stress to non-professing people that there is always some public religion in play to unify heterogeneous communities. Some of them can be beneficial to society as a whole. I strikes me that American culture up until the 90s might be best characterized as non-sectarian Christian, speaking as an outsider with a pretty good knowledge. Europeans definitely have had a secularized culture of WW2 rememberance since 1945, which is still fairly Christian at its core. All of that seems to be changing now, in ways that should make most uncomfortable.
Excellent work as always Dr. Cooper
God bless you, Dr. Cooper, love your videos, love your books. Please keep doing what your doing.
One of the difficulties of this kind of communication is the new ideas presented are so bizarre and incoherent, that most of us can't even begin to respond. Cooper lays out the rational process very carefully here, on a topic that is very elusive due to its incoherence. Well done, professor, and thank you.
Check it out; he figured out "Social Norms" and "In Group Preference".
You’re making a really interesting point; that the current Progressive pronoun philosophy is essentially requiring people to read each other’s minds. If we are to operate on the basis of not offending someone’s internal life, how can I know that person’s internal life without knowing the person? How can such a society function this way?
Great points presented here! A good and valid paradigm for considering how our society is trying to change how we relate to one another. I had not, heretofore, thought of these “coerced” pronoun changes (among many other changes in how we relate to and communicate with one another) as having this eventual isolative effect on individuals and detrimental effect on society. While I have had an instinctive negative response to such radical changes in language and relational norms, I would have been hard-pressed to enunciate my reasons prior to hearing this explanation. Thank you!
16:25 This! I have been thinking this for the last few years. Identifying ones self as 'non-binary' does not eliminate the concept you have simply created a new binary.
14:00 this was already an old scholastic saying: "omnis determinatio est negatio". Derrida is correct in the obvious/long known things, but wrong in his new claims ;)
I agree that the pronoun nonsense is an element in destroying social cohesion. Probably a mix between the idea that an evil traditional order should be weakened and good old "divide and rule!"
Dr. Cooper, do you have a video on hermeneutics? I’m interested in your thoughts on the subject. Thanks
Hmmm... good question. I actually don't know that I have done a video explicitly on hermeneutics
@@DrJordanBCooperCould be a cool video!
Good stuff thanks
I agree 100%
The pronoun convo makes even less sense for many non- english speaking countries. I live in Arabic speaking country now, and redefining pronouns or adding pronouns would entirely dismantle communication. Arabic nouns, verbs, adjectives, sentence structure, etc. conjugate and change based off of the subject word’s gender (masculine or feminine). All speech is contingent upon a rigid use of pronouns.
Wouldn’t the pronoun people simply reply that this is the new etiquette, the new shared life?
No, my point is that it by definition *isn't* a shared life because it makes it impossible to communicate in clearly identified agreed upon signifiers.
@@DrJordanBCooperInteresting. Thanks for clarifying.
I don’t think they’re going to buy it.
I think that it is a bit silly to recognize the destructive nature of gender ideology and its impact on language and society, while also failing to recognize or even mention the intentionality behind it in the context of a culture war. it is like recognizing the destructive potential in a dud grenade, while failing to recognize the direction and reason it was thrown.
That two defination are dependent on each other does not mean that they have no intrinsic meaning.
It means that the two concepts are related to each other. In the case of "boy" and "girl" by being opposite in the relevant characteristics.
Right...I didn't say that they don't...
@@DrJordanBCooper I am sorry if I criticized you. It was unintentional.
I was expanding on what you said about linked definitions not meaning that the thing defined is meaningless.
My first sentence is intended to be a paraphrase of what you said. Then I attempted to make the implicit explicit.
On etiquette and language, we have this particular schnitzel made ;) : my 1st language does not distinguish grammatical gender in nouns or even in personal pronouns.
What language?
Finnish
I think you're being a bit too pessimistic when you describe the political binary as necessarily being a combative "me vs. you" binary. Whether we want to call it right/left, republican/democrat, conservative/progressive, or anything else, I think that this binary can be viewed in positive terms. One side is concerned about lifting up the downtrodden, protecting the disenfranchised, feeding the hungry, accepting the helpful stranger, and being open to new ideas. The other side is concerned about maintaining order, sustaining societal structures that have successfully produced prosperity, protecting important traditions, providing incentives for economic development, and defending against dangerous strangers. Both sides are useful and necessary to society in different situations, just as a car needs both a gas pedal and brake pedal in different situations. Without both functioning together, society becomes as useless as a car without an engine or as dangerous as a car without brakes.
inb4 zoomer says something on twitter about etiquette and discourse between his PROTESTENTISM and anyone else
First!
Xirst?
@@regpharvey😂
The first shall be last.
Things are coming around. The idea that God has different pronouns, they them, are a he, him. Was a early form of this.
I am a trans person who did not watch this video. But I am here to say that God wants you to open your minds and heart. You do not need all the answers to be comfortable in another's presence and to afford them the safety of your love.
WHY POST TRIB MAKES NO SENSE::Occam’s Razor/truncated version: UNLESS a bored Bedouin boy is throwing rocks in caves and discovers some new ancient scrolls that radically change the paradigm we are all stuck with the same texts which we disagree on! So it is fruitless to debate text ad nauseum but what about OPERATIONAL ISSUES?: 1. How cruel for God , after sacrificial evangelical church has JUST finished the great commission and brought in the fulness of the gentiles to IMMEDIATELY “reward” his faithful church by cruelly inflicting on it/them the worst time in all human history!? WHY?2. The satanic persecution of early church at least served a purpose, it toughened and purified the church to take the gospel to violent pagan tribes around the world, but immediately after trib will be the millennial reign where lion lies with lambs, a close to near Eden/paradisal state where church will not need to be “toughened”. 3. By Rev. 14 about 60% of all humans are dead, including Christians- arguably form disease/plagues, wars, asteroids, earthquakes, starvation etc etc..what PURPOSE does that serve for God? 4. God gives specific warnings for Jews in Jerusalem to flee and tells them where to flee to and they will be supernaturally protected there for the entire tribulation, but God gives no such warnings or instructions for Christians or his church.. WHY? Yes the understanding is that these Jews will be witnessed to and led to Christianity, good thing, but is God just throwing all of Christians and church under the bus, but not unbelieving rebellious Jews? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! 5.Jesus tells us multiple times “Fear Not” and ostensibly not to prepare, yet most Christian babies will starve if parents cannot buy or sell..not to mention toddlers, children and adults for that matter.. WHY? 6. Countless warnings to occupy till Jesus comes, watch always, go set a watchman, like a thief in the night, parables about master going on a long journey and servants admonished to always be watching for Masters return, always watching, a day or hour no man knows…. Etc… but none of these make any sense if church goes through tribulation..at EXACTLY the half way point of trib antichrist attacks Jeruslaem and desecrates the temple.. so we know EXACTLY then when Jesus will return half way LATER!! Thus this makes all the warning voices a nullity or even outright false! 7. Jesus promises that the gates of hell will never prevail against the church but in the tribulation the restrainer is removed and Satan is given power to overcome the saints, so this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus promises!! A basic rule of bible interpretation is to interpret the bible so it is reconciled that no interpretation makes other verses patently false! 8. I have to choose words carefully here because the algo censors these usually… but what about the Masada option? Many do not know this but several hundred thousand jews when they found out the camps were not relocation camps but death camps chose the Masada option in Berlin etc… does our Jesus really want his church to have to be placed in this cruel dilemma? Think it though carefully! And why wouldn’t/shouldn’t we, especially if we crack under pressure of us and loved ones being starved/tortured and other unmentionable things-we take the Mark and are damned to eternal hell? Also when Jesus was leaving he told his followers he was going to prepare a place for them, but if he raptures his church AFTER the tribulation they shoot up and do a huge U turn and come right back down with Jesus as he returns to earth for the millennial reign, in which the church will participate, thus making a nullity out of Jesus’ promise to prepare places in heaven. ESCHATOLOGICAL theory has CONSEQUENCES!!!