Good morning from the drizzly SF Bay Area. Skye, your conversation with Mr. Deatherage is so helpful. It is tragic that Christians think they are under "siege." The use of military terms in all things American has created a pathway to violence. Jesus talked of being peacemakers. It is altogether possible to be pro both sides and look for solutions to end this thousands of years of conflict. I am so glad there are people like him out there working towards these goals. Thank you.
Since Hamas attack and Israeli assault on Gaza, an #Arab friend remarked that she is recalling feelings of Arab/Muslim hate after September 11, 2001. If you have Arab, Muslim, Middle Eastern friends, co-workers, neighbors, acquaintances, consider caring for them with awareness and concern about the deaths in Gaza and the hate in our communities (#RIP Wadea Al-Fayoume | 6-year-old #Muslim boy murdered by family friend) The same care is necessary for #Jewish folk, although there is public support and media concerning fighting #antisemitism and very little mention and even fear of backlash about fighting #Islamophobia/#Anti-Arab racism.
We must never forget that the ordinary people who are doing the bleeding and dying are not the same people who are doing the decision making. I wish people would be blunt. Do they think the blood of children is a legitimate coin to pay for security or for justice?
Under seige. When i went to church all the stories of the martyrs and heros we were told are of people who never waivered in their beiefs. Never compromised when under seige or facing eminent death and torture.
Siege! Don't they teach spelling these days? "I" before "E" except after "C" or when it sound like long "A" as in "Neighbor" or "Weigh." (or Height??)(Love is stronger than Height?)
@brucee8332 thanks for the needless editing of my comment. It's really just the relationship between button and finger size with how autocorrect works with in UA-cam comments.
@brucee8332 I get it. You really have no argument against the idea I presented, so you focus on a spelling mistake. It's a common way to try to discredit an idea without actually providing an argument against it. It's good to know though that you are more effective than spell checker. When will you be releasing your own SC app? Gotta work better than googles.
Ezekiel 37:21-28 KJV - And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. If 1948 and the modern creation of Israel was supposed to be the fulfillment of the above verses as many try to claim, where are the other tribes of Israel? Why haven't they returned? Also, verse 26 says there is supposed to be an everlasting covenant of peace, but since 1948, there's been nothing but war. Also, why are there statues of Buddha in Israel today if those verses have been fulfilled in 1948. If people would read the entire Bible and not put their own spin on it, they would have understood why the word blasphemy is used in Revelation to describe those who claim to be something they are not.
Do people still say "had me in the first half"? Because you did. I expected this to be essentially all quote, with maybe a line at the end stating this proves one has to be pro-Israel. I've seen so many posts like that over the years. And they are a pain to refute. But, nope. You point out how it doesn't apply. I don't have to argue anything.
God kicked the Jews out of Israel last we see in the OT. What Jewish prophet led them back into control of Israel? It was supposed to be their Messiah that would do that. What is actually happening is a false God being worshipped as God in the temple of God. They gave up waiting for a prophet. They gave up waiting for their Messiah. And they took it upon themselves to reclaim the promised land. The Jewish leaders weren't a fan of Jesus because Jesus refused to give Israel back to them. Israel was under Roman rule in the NT. And Jesus had the Romans destroy the Jewish temple just to drive home the point it was not their land anymore. Many many Jewish people reject Israel precisely because nobody sent from God has told them they could have it.
“Blessed are the meek [the nonviolent]; they will inherit the earth… Blessed are the peacemakers; they will be called the sons and daughters of God… You have heard it said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,’ but I say to you, offer no violent resistance to one who does evil… Love your enemies.” - Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 5)
The same Yeshua of Nazareth who made a whip and drove the moneychangers out of the temple and disrupted their illegal operations. He didn't sit there and take it---He exacted God's justice
@impalaman9707 So does this one story render the rest of Jesus' teachings invalid? How do you interpret the Sermon on the Mount in light of the story you referenced?
@@jeffreyhughes3883 What is the number one calling of all Christians? Go into all the world and preach the Gospel. Pacifism is a nice idea, but unfortunately, radical islam has no such virtue. So if all the Christians of the world allow themselves to either convert to their ways or be executed, who's going to be left to evangelize the world for Yeshua, before our Messiah's return? When Yeshua drove out the moneychangers, it was because He wanted His temple to be free for all people to come and meet with God. Same thing here. We have to make the world a safe place for people to come to know our Creator
How do I download the gospel summary by Skye from minute 46 to 50? "Whosoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." It is not in the DNA, it is in those doing God's will of loving our neighbor whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. Those are the children of God.
Mr Deatherage said something along the lines that the Nakba is what Palestinians feel happened to them. The nakba is documented, there are survivors around today. It is not a feeling Palestinians have, but a real event in history. You can't really be for peace for the Palestinians if you can't even acknowledge their history.
~1h27: Palestine is not freer; Israel is not safer; Peace does not come through dead civilians. That's where my heart is too. "Anabaptist" is one of the various labels above my pigeonhole so it was interesting to hear Todd's reasonings around war. The way it works out comes to the same place which was interesting. Another obligator Cockburn quote... "Clocks don't bring tomorrow; knives don't bring good news."
Such a great interview. Thank you so much for your wisdom and willingness to share this. I have been trying to talk about this with some of my sisters and brothers in Christ but mini just stay stuck in what they have been told.
This is why there are times when the most instructive question to bring to the [#Bible] is not "what does it say?", but "what am I looking for?" I suspect #Jesus knew this when he said, "ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened." If you want to do violence in this world, you will always find the weapons. If you want to heal, you will always find the balm.” - Rachel Held Evans, A Year of Biblical Womanhood
LOVIN' the "nobody thought" items at the end. Yes! Yes! I still tear up when I listen to the announcement for "all volunteers to 'dump arms'" -- still visible at v=_dncrIHxMB8 here on youtube. If it's possible there, isn't it just plausible to think it's possible anywhere?
If you can't read the #Gospels and see that #Jesus was about something other than lethal means to advance the #kingdom, then there's nothing that's going to change your mind. No amount of rhetorical flair or historical sophistication. If you don't get it, you don't get it. - Professor Michael Budde | PhD, Northwestern University | Catholic Studies, Political Science @ DePaul University
I agree with the sentiment, but not your actual post. What it means is that they are interpreting it the way they want to, or the way some charismatic leader tells them to. It will be hard to change minds, and may involve things other than logic, but a lot of these people can be reached. God is still in the salvation business, changing hearts and minds.
@@ZipplyZane I'm w/ you Zippy. For sure God can do anything and use anything. 🙌✝ Unfortunately, I have seen little to no success in the difficult task of convincing folks to change their minds and more importantly their hearts for our God. My limited experience in my very small sphere of influence. I will keep praying and serving to bring more Kingdom glory this side of heaven! Bless you Christian.
While I agree that the US has been one of Israel's strongest allies, there was one time in that history that the US disagreed with Israel: towards the end of the anti-apartheid movement in this country, which had its roots in the CRM. Israel and the US were staunch allies of South African apartheid. But eventually anti-apartheid activism largely fueled by African Americans changed this country's stance on apartheid. It's a rather complicated story because Rev Sullivan, a black conservative Republican and a black evangelical, found himself at odds with the many African Americans.
No matter how you look at the map of the midfle east, israel has stronger military and allies then any other nation, they are the only nuclear power in the area. The only exception you may include is Pakistan but they are countered by India. Israel is the Goliath in every way, except in the hypothesis that Goliath had a hereditary pituitary disorder that made him intemidating but unequal and unequipped to the fight he was in.
@@paulacoyle5685But they are. Not against the Arab states, but against the Palestinians, most of whom are not Hamas. This conflict would be a lot better going if Israel didn't mistakenly think they can win with brute force. A smaller military might make that more obvious. Plus they are a nuclear power, which means none of those who actually want to wipe Israel off the map will think they have the power to do so. Nuclear Israel with so many allies is a game changer.
@@jdtreharneBut it is that military might is not what makes you genuinely strong. David's strength was in following God. From killing Goliath to becoming a warrior to becoming king, that was all God's strength. The question Israel (the government, not the people) has to ask themselves is if they are relying on God or their own strength.
38.11: absolute analogy fail; any Christian who feels "embattled" in North America is self-gaslighting, self-projecting victimhood or feelings of vulnerability on themselves (and I'm a Christian in Canada where most things about our governing structures is more "liberal" / "woke" than ANY but the most "liberal" / "woke" parts of the US ... just saying). By and large, "liberal" / "woke" is doing no more nor less than asking Christians to speak / act more loving toward neighbours that are farther out of our comfort zones than we thought possible and calling that victimhood is simply privilege in a waking-up-and-heading-out-into-the-world-naked nightmare. Time to grow up brothers, sisters. Kiss the leper, serve the ones that make you uncomfortable, accept the ones whose identities drive you crazy with "how is that even rational?" -- and hurry up! Sooner than you expect, some of your nearest and dearest WILL identify themselves as one of those "others" that you're currently so willing to ostracize, exclude and you wind up REALLY blowing a gasket... (go back and listen to Bruce Cockburn's song, "Free to Be" again)
I'll add ... Skye's conclusion from that analogy is correct -- which demonstrates that it's still possible to argue from partial or completely false premises and reach true conclusions. It's not a valid argument but the conclusion happens to land correctly.
@ansakyt I understand Canada’s universal healthcare is now 35th in the world and you can be euthanized for geing in poverty or depressed. All voluntary of course
@@robbower5489. Yes but does that mean that I as a Christian am "under attack"? I think I'm going to give a "c'mon man, award" for anyone who would say that. I'll say there's a need to reach out more to the lost and the least to include them -- that's a call to action, not an evidence of threat to my faith. Either that or at age 60, I'm a complete moon-calf at "how to read the times". I suspect there are some undisclosed middle terms in your chain of reasoning that I've probably heard before, and deny to the point of ignoring them. Honestly, I feel more under attack (in my mindset and contentment, you understand, not in my faith and knowledge of our glorious Lord) by the folly of the things fellow disciples are saying than of what the culture is doing or saying. "you've been wounded by words in the house of your friends? I can't say I don't know the feeling..."
I would like exactly one example of a so-called Christian nationalist saying that they should only care for white Christians and not black ones. This is a major concern to the holy posters but it seems about as grounded in reality as chasing big foot. I think these people need an imagined enemy to battle to make themselves feel relevant. If someone could give me just one concrete reference of this awful charge they are making, that would be most helpful.
It's in everything they say and do throughout the history of the country. One might try reading MLK's letter from the Birmingham jail if one wanted to educate one's self.
That’s all encompassing and generic. It’s also thoroughly Marxist. Is this the view of Bob the tomato - you’re all racist because we say you are and we don’t have to give examples. In fact, just asking for examples is in itself racist.
I cannot speak for anyone, but Im assuming "these people" are educated in terms of the origins & history of "Christian Nationalist". Before I did some deep dives, I thought any opposition was odd bc, considering NOBODY separates their ethics from their politics. My line of thinking was ""Why would anyone NOT want USA law to align with God's law?". I still think/believe that way, but I found that's that's not necessarily (Infact, PROBABLY not) the intent behind other ppl using the term "Christian Nationalism". And I sus that while the modern politicians whove brought that term back to life in recent years (probably Steven Miller) are VERY aware & VERY deliberate in doing so, but most regular citizens are NOT aware. (They know not what they say). Ive also noticed there is alot of dog whistling & gaslighting in politics, ESPECIALLY in the Trump party. Infact, Ive never seen anything like it. So, to ask someone to give you an explicit answer is not possible. Of course, it's usually not as obvious as when djt said, "My friend said Chris Christie is FAT. I told him you shouldnt call Chris Christie FAT. It's not nice to call Chris Christie FAT..." But I'll use that as an example, anyway. (Oh, & you can imagine the kids ROARING in laughter, once again entertained by the troubled classroom clown/bully). ANYWAY...A djt defender would say "Tell me ONE TIME Trump called Chris Christie fat. He NEVER DID. Infact he said, 'you shouldn't call Chris Christie fat" & 'it's not nice to call Chris Christie fat'. SEEE???YOU just have T.D.S.!" OR: "its a JOKE you communist SNOWFLAKE" OR...any of the other sorry, ol' worn-out hits. Any further pushback toward the gaslighter just makes one look like some paranoid wingnut. That's why dog whistling & gaslighting is so effective. But that doesn't mean it not a thing, or that wise ppl are going to buy into it. All that aside, it sounds like you're not happy with "these people" / this ch. I find your question highly disingenuous & that what you REALLY doing is fishing for people to agree with you. I highly recommend the mature adult option: Simply move along & find a ch/hosts you DO like. There's absolutely nothing productive that comes from complaining about this, or any other soc media space, ESPECIALLY the way YOU go about it. Spewing insults is never effective in persuading others to change their perspective. And like every other channel (& human being) They're not for everyone, & that's okay. If you are a djt supporter, as I sus, then I double my recommendation to simply move on. While everyone is welcome & everyone holds their tongue as Christ commands. theres no sense in making yourself unnecessarily upset while realizing no one here falls for Trumps...mmm...I'll just call it SHENANIGANS. 👋You are more than free to swipe on next time.👋👋👋 You won't hurt anyone's feelers.👋👋 👋I promise. 🤗👋👋👋👋👋👋👋 I wish you well. 🤗.
@@thetruest7497perfect starting point. I'd add Thomas Merton's Letters to a White Liberal. Merton is probably the first white man who put the words "nation" and "Christianity" in the same sentence.
To come out and say it in those words would be very unpopular and so most of the time they don't say it. It's inferred. Holy Post has talked about pastors saying things like "if you don't vote Republican, you're not a Christian." All the while they know that 90% of Black Christian voters vote Democrat. So when a Christian Nationalist wants a theocracy where Christians are the protected class and then they define 90% of black Christians as not Christians... There's bigfoot.
Where in Scripture do you see that? I see "pray for the peace of Israel" but it seems like a lot of American culture has extrapolated a lot more out of that statement than is actually present in the bible. God himself didn't PROTECT and DEFEND Israel no matter what. In fact a lot of times the opposite!
Ezekiel 37:21-28 KJV - And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. If 1948 and the modern creation of Israel was supposed to be the fulfillment of the above verses as many try to claim, where are the other tribes of Israel? Why haven't they returned? Also, verse 26 says there is supposed to be an everlasting covenant of peace, but since 1948, there's been nothing but war. Also, why are there statues of Buddha in Israel today if those verses have been fulfilled in 1948. If people would read the entire Bible and not put their own spin on it, they would have understood why the word blasphemy is used in Revelation to describe those who claim to be something they are not.
I have been learnong so much on the last few months. I am repenting too.
You should get in contact with Reverent Munther Isaac, a Christian Palestinian Reverent from Betlehem.
Too bad Christian nationalists forgot "blessed are the peacemakers"
Nutty Buddy!
Good morning from the drizzly SF Bay Area. Skye, your conversation with Mr. Deatherage is so helpful. It is tragic that Christians think they are under "siege." The use of military terms in all things American has created a pathway to violence. Jesus talked of being peacemakers. It is altogether possible to be pro both sides and look for solutions to end this thousands of years of conflict. I am so glad there are people like him out there working towards these goals. Thank you.
I don’t know about “under siege”, but it’s undeniable that the world hates God, and thereby hates Christians.
That is just so smart. I just love how he juxtapositions current events with events from the bible. As always, great job, Skye.
Since Hamas attack and Israeli assault on Gaza, an #Arab friend remarked that she is recalling feelings of Arab/Muslim hate after September 11, 2001.
If you have Arab, Muslim, Middle Eastern friends, co-workers, neighbors, acquaintances, consider caring for them with awareness and concern about the deaths in Gaza and the hate in our communities (#RIP Wadea Al-Fayoume | 6-year-old #Muslim boy murdered by family friend)
The same care is necessary for #Jewish folk, although there is public support and media concerning fighting #antisemitism and very little mention and even fear of backlash about fighting #Islamophobia/#Anti-Arab racism.
We must never forget that the ordinary people who are doing the bleeding and dying are not the same people who are doing the decision making. I wish people would be blunt. Do they think the blood of children is a legitimate coin to pay for security or for justice?
Under seige. When i went to church all the stories of the martyrs and heros we were told are of people who never waivered in their beiefs. Never compromised when under seige or facing eminent death and torture.
Siege! Don't they teach spelling these days? "I" before "E" except after "C" or when it sound like long "A" as in "Neighbor" or "Weigh." (or Height??)(Love is stronger than Height?)
Ah! I see .... CHIRCH! Phonetic spelling! What we owe the Phoenixes, the Arizonans in general, and all Firebirds and Mythical Creatures!
@brucee8332 thanks for the needless editing of my comment. It's really just the relationship between button and finger size with how autocorrect works with in UA-cam comments.
@brucee8332 I get it. You really have no argument against the idea I presented, so you focus on a spelling mistake. It's a common way to try to discredit an idea without actually providing an argument against it. It's good to know though that you are more effective than spell checker. When will you be releasing your own SC app? Gotta work better than googles.
Ezekiel 37:21-28 KJV - And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
If 1948 and the modern creation of Israel was supposed to be the fulfillment of the above verses as many try to claim, where are the other tribes of Israel? Why haven't they returned? Also, verse 26 says there is supposed to be an everlasting covenant of peace, but since 1948, there's been nothing but war. Also, why are there statues of Buddha in Israel today if those verses have been fulfilled in 1948. If people would read the entire Bible and not put their own spin on it, they would have understood why the word blasphemy is used in Revelation to describe those who claim to be something they are not.
Do people still say "had me in the first half"? Because you did. I expected this to be essentially all quote, with maybe a line at the end stating this proves one has to be pro-Israel. I've seen so many posts like that over the years. And they are a pain to refute.
But, nope. You point out how it doesn't apply. I don't have to argue anything.
This is, I believe, the first time I've watched an episode where all hosts are male.
God kicked the Jews out of Israel last we see in the OT. What Jewish prophet led them back into control of Israel? It was supposed to be their Messiah that would do that. What is actually happening is a false God being worshipped as God in the temple of God. They gave up waiting for a prophet. They gave up waiting for their Messiah. And they took it upon themselves to reclaim the promised land.
The Jewish leaders weren't a fan of Jesus because Jesus refused to give Israel back to them. Israel was under Roman rule in the NT. And Jesus had the Romans destroy the Jewish temple just to drive home the point it was not their land anymore.
Many many Jewish people reject Israel precisely because nobody sent from God has told them they could have it.
You can't force prophecy, and you can't build the house God said HE was going to build.
“Blessed are the meek [the nonviolent]; they will inherit the earth… Blessed are the peacemakers; they will be called the sons and daughters of God… You have heard it said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,’ but I say to you, offer no violent resistance to one who does evil… Love your enemies.”
- Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 5)
The same Yeshua of Nazareth who made a whip and drove the moneychangers out of the temple and disrupted their illegal operations. He didn't sit there and take it---He exacted God's justice
@impalaman9707
So does this one story render the rest of Jesus' teachings invalid? How do you interpret the Sermon on the Mount in light of the story you referenced?
@@jeffreyhughes3883 Its not a story---it is His-tory
@@impalaman9707
Fair enough. How do you interpret the Sermon on the Mount?
@@jeffreyhughes3883 What is the number one calling of all Christians? Go into all the world and preach the Gospel. Pacifism is a nice idea, but unfortunately, radical islam has no such virtue. So if all the Christians of the world allow themselves to either convert to their ways or be executed, who's going to be left to evangelize the world for Yeshua, before our Messiah's return? When Yeshua drove out the moneychangers, it was because He wanted His temple to be free for all people to come and meet with God. Same thing here. We have to make the world a safe place for people to come to know our Creator
The latest death toll stands at 15,242 Palestinians with at least 1,200 people killed in Israel since October 7. (2023.11.29)
How do I download the gospel summary by Skye from minute 46 to 50? "Whosoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." It is not in the DNA, it is in those doing God's will of loving our neighbor whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. Those are the children of God.
Mr Deatherage said something along the lines that the Nakba is what Palestinians feel happened to them. The nakba is documented, there are survivors around today. It is not a feeling Palestinians have, but a real event in history. You can't really be for peace for the Palestinians if you can't even acknowledge their history.
~1h27: Palestine is not freer; Israel is not safer; Peace does not come through dead civilians.
That's where my heart is too. "Anabaptist" is one of the various labels above my pigeonhole so it was interesting to hear Todd's reasonings around war. The way it works out comes to the same place which was interesting. Another obligator Cockburn quote... "Clocks don't bring tomorrow; knives don't bring good news."
Yay, Roger Williams.
Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul is a great read.
Such a great interview. Thank you so much for your wisdom and willingness to share this. I have been trying to talk about this with some of my sisters and brothers in Christ but mini just stay stuck in what they have been told.
Yes, Oatmeal Cream Pie & Nutty Buddies!
This is why there are times when the most instructive question to bring to the [#Bible] is not "what does it say?", but "what am I looking for?" I suspect #Jesus knew this when he said, "ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened." If you want to do violence in this world, you will always find the weapons. If you want to heal, you will always find the balm.”
- Rachel Held Evans, A Year of Biblical Womanhood
LOVIN' the "nobody thought" items at the end. Yes! Yes! I still tear up when I listen to the announcement for "all volunteers to 'dump arms'" -- still visible at v=_dncrIHxMB8 here on youtube. If it's possible there, isn't it just plausible to think it's possible anywhere?
Unfortunately this is how the cycle of violence is: the oppressed of one time become the oppressors of the next one.
Animal Farm.
@@abaneyoneI’d say attack in titan.
He started Rhode Island
Hearing the new version of the themesong makes me sad
If you can't read the #Gospels and see that #Jesus was about something other than lethal means to advance the #kingdom, then there's nothing that's going to change your mind. No amount of rhetorical flair or historical sophistication. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
- Professor Michael Budde | PhD, Northwestern University | Catholic Studies, Political Science @ DePaul University
I agree with the sentiment, but not your actual post. What it means is that they are interpreting it the way they want to, or the way some charismatic leader tells them to. It will be hard to change minds, and may involve things other than logic, but a lot of these people can be reached. God is still in the salvation business, changing hearts and minds.
@@ZipplyZane I'm w/ you Zippy. For sure God can do anything and use anything. 🙌✝ Unfortunately, I have seen little to no success in the difficult task of convincing folks to change their minds and more importantly their hearts for our God. My limited experience in my very small sphere of influence. I will keep praying and serving to bring more Kingdom glory this side of heaven! Bless you Christian.
While I agree that the US has been one of Israel's strongest allies, there was one time in that history that the US disagreed with Israel: towards the end of the anti-apartheid movement in this country, which had its roots in the CRM. Israel and the US were staunch allies of South African apartheid. But eventually anti-apartheid activism largely fueled by African Americans changed this country's stance on apartheid. It's a rather complicated story because Rev Sullivan, a black conservative Republican and a black evangelical, found himself at odds with the many African Americans.
No matter how you look at the map of the midfle east, israel has stronger military and allies then any other nation, they are the only nuclear power in the area. The only exception you may include is Pakistan but they are countered by India. Israel is the Goliath in every way, except in the hypothesis that Goliath had a hereditary pituitary disorder that made him intemidating but unequal and unequipped to the fight he was in.
And even though they have a stronger military, they are not using it against their neighbors. Go figure. At least not until they are attacked.
The lesson from David and Goliath is not that it’s good to be weak and bad to be strong. David eventually becomes a mighty warrior.
@@paulacoyle5685But they are. Not against the Arab states, but against the Palestinians, most of whom are not Hamas.
This conflict would be a lot better going if Israel didn't mistakenly think they can win with brute force. A smaller military might make that more obvious.
Plus they are a nuclear power, which means none of those who actually want to wipe Israel off the map will think they have the power to do so.
Nuclear Israel with so many allies is a game changer.
@@jdtreharneBut it is that military might is not what makes you genuinely strong. David's strength was in following God. From killing Goliath to becoming a warrior to becoming king, that was all God's strength.
The question Israel (the government, not the people) has to ask themselves is if they are relying on God or their own strength.
@@ZipplyZane I was replying to a comment about military strength
Why is Mike in a blur? Rubbing my eyes to shake it off but it’s not working
Maybe I misunderstood the speaker - or missed something, but where in the US are Christians suffering persecution?
They perceive that they are, whether it’s true or not. As the old saw puts it “to those accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
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I'm just here getting my fix of "Phil the Vischer"
38.11: absolute analogy fail; any Christian who feels "embattled" in North America is self-gaslighting, self-projecting victimhood or feelings of vulnerability on themselves (and I'm a Christian in Canada where most things about our governing structures is more "liberal" / "woke" than ANY but the most "liberal" / "woke" parts of the US ... just saying). By and large, "liberal" / "woke" is doing no more nor less than asking Christians to speak / act more loving toward neighbours that are farther out of our comfort zones than we thought possible and calling that victimhood is simply privilege in a waking-up-and-heading-out-into-the-world-naked nightmare. Time to grow up brothers, sisters. Kiss the leper, serve the ones that make you uncomfortable, accept the ones whose identities drive you crazy with "how is that even rational?" -- and hurry up! Sooner than you expect, some of your nearest and dearest WILL identify themselves as one of those "others" that you're currently so willing to ostracize, exclude and you wind up REALLY blowing a gasket... (go back and listen to Bruce Cockburn's song, "Free to Be" again)
I'll add ... Skye's conclusion from that analogy is correct -- which demonstrates that it's still possible to argue from partial or completely false premises and reach true conclusions. It's not a valid argument but the conclusion happens to land correctly.
@ansakyt I understand Canada’s universal healthcare is now 35th in the world and you can be euthanized for geing in poverty or depressed.
All voluntary of course
@@robbower5489. Yes but does that mean that I as a Christian am "under attack"? I think I'm going to give a "c'mon man, award" for anyone who would say that. I'll say there's a need to reach out more to the lost and the least to include them -- that's a call to action, not an evidence of threat to my faith. Either that or at age 60, I'm a complete moon-calf at "how to read the times". I suspect there are some undisclosed middle terms in your chain of reasoning that I've probably heard before, and deny to the point of ignoring them.
Honestly, I feel more under attack (in my mindset and contentment, you understand, not in my faith and knowledge of our glorious Lord) by the folly of the things fellow disciples are saying than of what the culture is doing or saying. "you've been wounded by words in the house of your friends? I can't say I don't know the feeling..."
I would like exactly one example of a so-called Christian nationalist saying that they should only care for white Christians and not black ones.
This is a major concern to the holy posters but it seems about as grounded in reality as chasing big foot.
I think these people need an imagined enemy to battle to make themselves feel relevant. If someone could give me just one concrete reference of this awful charge they are making, that would be most helpful.
It's in everything they say and do throughout the history of the country. One might try reading MLK's letter from the Birmingham jail if one wanted to educate one's self.
That’s all encompassing and generic. It’s also thoroughly Marxist.
Is this the view of Bob the tomato - you’re all racist because we say you are and we don’t have to give examples. In fact, just asking for examples is in itself racist.
I cannot speak for anyone, but Im assuming "these people" are educated in terms of the origins & history of "Christian Nationalist". Before I did some deep dives, I thought any opposition was odd bc, considering NOBODY separates their ethics from their politics. My line of thinking was ""Why would anyone NOT want USA law to align with God's law?". I still think/believe that way, but I found that's that's not necessarily (Infact, PROBABLY not) the intent behind other ppl using the term "Christian Nationalism". And I sus that while the modern politicians whove brought that term back to life in recent years (probably Steven Miller) are VERY aware & VERY deliberate in doing so, but most regular citizens are NOT aware. (They know not what they say). Ive also noticed there is alot of dog whistling & gaslighting in politics, ESPECIALLY in the Trump party. Infact, Ive never seen anything like it. So, to ask someone to give you an explicit answer is not possible.
Of course, it's usually not as obvious as when djt said, "My friend said Chris Christie is FAT. I told him you shouldnt call Chris Christie FAT. It's not nice to call Chris Christie FAT..." But I'll use that as an example, anyway. (Oh, & you can imagine the kids ROARING in laughter, once again entertained by the troubled classroom clown/bully). ANYWAY...A djt defender would say "Tell me ONE TIME Trump called Chris Christie fat. He NEVER DID. Infact he said, 'you shouldn't call Chris Christie fat" & 'it's not nice to call Chris Christie fat'. SEEE???YOU just have T.D.S.!"
OR: "its a JOKE you communist SNOWFLAKE" OR...any of the other sorry, ol' worn-out hits.
Any further pushback toward the gaslighter just makes one look like some paranoid wingnut. That's why dog whistling & gaslighting is so effective. But that doesn't mean it not a thing, or that wise ppl are going to buy into it.
All that aside, it sounds like you're not happy with "these people" / this ch. I find your question highly disingenuous & that what you REALLY doing is fishing for people to agree with you.
I highly recommend the mature adult option: Simply move along & find a ch/hosts you DO like. There's absolutely nothing productive that comes from complaining about this, or any other soc media space, ESPECIALLY the way YOU go about it. Spewing insults is never effective in persuading others to change their perspective. And like every other channel (& human being) They're not for everyone, & that's okay.
If you are a djt supporter, as I sus, then I double my recommendation to simply move on. While everyone is welcome & everyone holds their tongue as Christ commands. theres no sense in making yourself unnecessarily upset while realizing no one here falls for Trumps...mmm...I'll just call it SHENANIGANS.
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I wish you well. 🤗.
@@thetruest7497perfect starting point. I'd add Thomas Merton's Letters to a White Liberal. Merton is probably the first white man who put the words "nation" and "Christianity" in the same sentence.
To come out and say it in those words would be very unpopular and so most of the time they don't say it. It's inferred. Holy Post has talked about pastors saying things like "if you don't vote Republican, you're not a Christian." All the while they know that 90% of Black Christian voters vote Democrat. So when a Christian Nationalist wants a theocracy where Christians are the protected class and then they define 90% of black Christians as not Christians... There's bigfoot.
All I know is that our 3rce HOLY GOD commands us to PROTECT the Jewish people & DEFEND Israel. So that's what Im doing.
Where in Scripture do you see that? I see "pray for the peace of Israel" but it seems like a lot of American culture has extrapolated a lot more out of that statement than is actually present in the bible. God himself didn't PROTECT and DEFEND Israel no matter what. In fact a lot of times the opposite!
@sherycenguyen8593 aren't they supposed to still be in God imposed exile?
Ezekiel 37:21-28 KJV - And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
If 1948 and the modern creation of Israel was supposed to be the fulfillment of the above verses as many try to claim, where are the other tribes of Israel? Why haven't they returned? Also, verse 26 says there is supposed to be an everlasting covenant of peace, but since 1948, there's been nothing but war. Also, why are there statues of Buddha in Israel today if those verses have been fulfilled in 1948. If people would read the entire Bible and not put their own spin on it, they would have understood why the word blasphemy is used in Revelation to describe those who claim to be something they are not.
Those are not commands that can be picked up and put in anytime and place. There are just as many instances to call out Israels sin
@@JohnThomas-ut3go I think you had some sort of typo and I don't know what you're asking.