Is the Nvidia Quadro 2 Pro worth it? Or is the GeForce better?
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I was absolutely thrilled to see this video! I've been using an nVidia Quadro2 Pro in my Windows 98 machine for the past two years and I love it, never had any problems with it. An excellent card.
I'm surprised at how smooth the road corners are in this old NFS. You don't often get them this smooth even today.
***** yes he has antialiasing. But look at the geometry of the road itself. It has higher poly count than GTA5! Of course the rest of the scenery here is very coarse, just wanted to point out this little detail.
Right in the first scene I had that great memories to the old NFS games I used to play on my PSX.
Siana Gearz i'm not baffled by the poly count of the road, at least not as much as by the physics on this old game. Look at how the car slides on the dirt track, that's some gran turismo quality driving!
Gran Turismo is known to have shit physics and driving dynamics, though. The developers managed to pass it as "a simulator" just by calling it like that, but it isn't.
Dynamics and physics in NFS Porsche was not my favourite, I was disappointed after NFS2, though I disliked NFS3 for other reasons. I thought it was twitchy. Didn't really care that it was supposed to be realistic at the time, while I might appreciate it more today. But consider, in a game you don't really have physical feedback, you have to guess, so slightly assisted control to the extent that it represents the movements a driver would do instinctively in reaction to physical feedback may actually enhance rather than detract from realism. Then again, perhaps I simply prefer arcade racing games.
my favourite need for speed game!
Agree. This was a great game.
I admit that I don't play games that much these days, so getting this footage is a rare opportunity for me. Sometimes it's a bit boring or tedious, finding out how the game works. But not this one. I had a blast playing it. The controls, I used a joystick, are beautiful, the physics, how the car slowly starts to under-steer, the up and down roads and beautiful scenery and lighting. I agree it's a really lovely game :)
I played the hell out of this game back in the day.
keremizgol the PS1 version of this game is better then the PC version but it has worse graphics and no cockpit view
i had no PS1 back in the day, so i only played the PC version. but who can forget Dylan right? :D
I am really glad you overclocked them! It really shows the difference between cards :)
Keep 'em coming Phil! Love this stuff!
I remember you could solder some SMD resistors around on a Geforce2 and get it to register as a Quadro.
Edit: This could be done to a large number of cards, including the GTX 690.
Thanks for your work, Phil. It's great to be in a retro-geek community. :)
Would like to see those benchmarks from the overclocked Quadro2 against a stock Geforce2 Ultra.
Speaking as someone located in the US I've actually had a very hard time finding either one of these cards recently. A couple years ago they were cheap as chips as you would say but right now I can't find a single Quadro 2 Pro and there is only 1 Auction for Geforce 2 Ti that is located in the States and they want 45 US dollars for them. Another Geforce 2 ti shows up in Austrialia for only 22 USD but with 56 USD shipping making it not worth while. Early Geforce cards are really starting to go the way of 3dFX cards in terms of availability and cost. Short of finding a good deal locally or getting lucky on ebay which could still happen I think the best alternative right now is going Geforce 4 MX if someone wants to get buy cheaply and not spend a ton of time searching.
Bugger that's not good at all. I also remember seeing them quite easily and for a good price. Might have to do some research again to see what cards ARE cheap at the moment.
I dived a little deeper and it does look like Geforce 2 GTS/Pros have more availability. They can be had for 20 dollars but most people are charging another 15 or 20 for shipping on top of it.
Nice. Also look at GeForce4 MX. I think they are tuned GF2 with better memory performance. 2 MX might also be an option, but I haven't looked into all of that yet.
I've got a bunch of GF4 MXs already so I'm good there and they are about as far as most GF2s outside of the Ultra. They can be had for under 10 dollars shipped easily. Geforce 2 MXs you can win for under 5 dollars shipped even.
that's a sweet overclock, "geforce 2" at 333MHz? wow
one thing regarding the NFS footage, did you patch the .exe? if you run it with a CPU higher than 1GHz the game glitches into some "safe mode" and don't use full quality models/textures, so you have to downlclok or mode the .exe
Does No CD patch count? I guess not.
I had a look on the Internets and is it possible that patch you are talking about is for 2.1 GHz+ ?
there is one no CD patch that was moddedto fix the problem you can download around the web, but a regular no CD patch will not fix it
from what I recall the problem started at 1GHz, at least I used to downclock my A64 to 800MHz to play it without the bu (but the stock clock was 2.1GHz!), and now use a P3 750 for it... I'm not 100% sure that it was 1GHz and not 2.1GHz, the easy way to test is to simply underclock the CPU to 1GHz and see if you notice a difference, it should be obvious enough, by your video I'm not 100% sure you have the bug or not, it used to be easy for me to notice on the outside view, like the number plate and the engine grill would be very blurry with the bug but very sharp when it was working properly.
Wow, how the price has changed in the past two years! Phil said $9-14 for a Quadro2 Pro on eBay at the time of this video. I felt lucky to get mine for $80 a couple months ago and the only one I see currently being offered is $150. FYI my Quadro2 is also an overclocking beast - I can max out the sliders as well without problems, but normally run at stock GeForce2 Ultra speeds. I also have a GeForce2 GTS 64MB OEM card, and I can only overclock core/mem about 10% over their much lower stock speeds before having issues like crashes or snowy textures.
i had Geforce 2 ultra back in the days that run rockstable at 325/525Mhz which was an absolute beast. coming from an older generation card (or even the very popular geforce 2 mx) and now beeing able to play basically any DX7 game buttery smooth in 1600*1200 was eye opening. the fill rates also were higher than what generaly could be archieved with geforce 3 cards because their more complex chip did not overclock so well, and the highly overclocked geforce 2/quadro cards often remained in the lead for 16 bit color mode. in 32 bit the geforce 3 won because of better utilization of memory bandwith.
my card also had the green nvidia reference design, and 3.8ns ram. i guess that board had a better design than some third party ones and the cards generaly overclocked better.
good times!
Really really nice video. Especially for a fellow vintage pc enthusiast such as me
yesterday I upgraded the cooling of my workstation (Pentium II 233MHz) with a watercooling system. The ATI Rage 128 and the CPU is now under water and the latter runs now stable on 466MHz @ 2.19 Volt. In GTA2 I reach about 32 °C and in in Prime93 37.5 °C max.
Hey Phil, awesome video like always. Just wanted to thank you for your P4 Win98 build idea, I found myself a new in box Intel 865PE mobo for $25(CAD) in my local classifieds and a P4 1.8ghz cpu for $6(CAD) from ebay plus a BFG geforce 6200OC 256mb AGP vid card from a recycle bin, slap in some DDR400 I got laying around and BAM! win98 gaming! without legacy and price issues of PIII.
Good on you!
I flashed a Geforce 4 card once to Quattro. I still have a Geforce 4 MX440 card that I modded the bios on it with higher default clock speeds so I wouldn't have to keep using RivaTuner. Fun times.
Exactly my thought. It doesn't work on all cards though. Usually on those cards which also have an identical Quadro variant.
I myself have a Quadro4 XGL 900 , It generally feels and runs the same as a standard Geforce4 4600. Only thing to note with it is that it only has DVI ports , so an adaptor is needed if you're using a VGA monitor.
one thing to note about these Quadro cards is that the image quality will be better and more consistent than with the standard Geforce256/2 cards , which can be a bit blurry sometimes depending on the model and maker (at least in comparison to the offerings from Matrox , ATI and 3DFX at the time)
When I changed my Geforce2 MX64 for a Geforce 4Ti 4200, it was a giant leap. Years after, I did get a Geforce 3 Ti 200 from a broken computer and I benchmarked it against the 4ti. It was 2 times slower... So, my advice is get yourself a Geforce 4 Ti. I also played extensively NFS Porsche 2000 ; your version has fancier interiors and more colorful dashboards
I like the sound of the Quadro. Overall louder but with more lower tones and not as much shrill high frequency as the GF. Inside a case it might be a different story but on the bench I’d prefer to be hearing the Quadro for extended periods.
That quadro looks exactly the same as my old geforce2 ultra. I wonder what the differance between them was.
That's right, the Ultra had the same higher quality build as the Quadro2, but I believe it is based on the older chip, whereas the GeForce2 Ti and Quadro2 Pro have the newer, smaller chip.
Great vid Phil! I found my Quadro 2 at a Goodwill thrift store locally in 2005 and paid $0.25 for it! Still have it today as a backup mostly. Remember selling my GeForce 3 Ti 200 and eventually upgrading it to a GeForce FX 5900 XT which is a phenomenal card btw. Did also recently test my old cards and the Quadro 2 runs very well after replacing old thermal paste w/ Arctic Silver 5 and also put thermal pads on the DDR heatsinks. Was able to OC it really well after this for sure! What a steal for a quarter!!! :). Keep up the great work dude.
Overclocking, oh I did that alot back in the days.
My beast of an AMD XP 1800+ T-bred with JIUHB stepping ran at 2402 MHz stable with water cooling.
I also had a GeForce 3 ti200 which I clocked well above ti500 stock speeds, it actually ran pretty good with a huge Zalman passive heatpipe cooler.
a small mistake
the counterpart to the Quadro 2 Pro is not the Geforce 2 Ti but the Geforce 2 Ultra.
Both cards use the same GPU core, but the Geforce 2 Ultra is slightly higher than the Quadro 2 Pro.
For this, the Quadro 2 Pro can do a few things that were locked on the Geforce 2 Ultra hardware side
Back in the day I had a GeForce256 DDR from Creative with DVI output (+additional TV out), so I guess Quadro2 wasn't the first card to have it supported ;)
Nice!
Great vid, thanks. I hope you make more vids like this one. Comparing newest Quadro cards with contemporary geforces
I'm sure there will be more.
This is a VERY useful video for me. I bought a Quadro 2 Pro by accident as it was listed as a GF2 Ultra, but it was only $14. I need to simulate a GF2 Ultra for a project, and this video proves that I can do so pretty accurately within only a couple fps. Plus it's just a very nice card. Thank you!
Good for me that i have a Some type of hybrid card it can be a GeForce 2 to or a quadro 2 pro with a jumper on the pcb
Awesome video, I think you set the bar again on Retro PC Reviews ... no pc reviews, this is how all the reviews should be.
PS Golden overclock! must have been some really good Dye Nvidia used for their Quadro cards :)
I had a GeForce3 Ti500 back around time when it was released and it had exact appeareance as your Quadro2. Mine card was manufactured by MSI. Of course there where minor differences (my GF had also only VGA and TVout and no DVI), but the GPU cooler and RAM heatsinks were the same size, shape, colour. I think that this cooling was more than sufficient for Quadro2/GeForce2 since it handled the top version of GeForce3 Ti without any problems. Apparently it has no problem cooling such high overclocked Quadro2 chip ;-)
Yes I noticed the same thing that some GF3 cards look like this card :)
InstaLike bc of NFS Porsche 2000.Vid is also good Phil,keep it up.
Of course it's an overclocking beast, workstation parts get the best binned silicon and regular consumers get leftovers
I have a pci Quadro fx3400 that I keep meaning to try out on a xp build. My brother works in it and fished it out of some old hardware destined for the dump
Oh god, so many memories with this game. You even did the same mistake I was frequently doing @ 3:22 :D
Haha, yes that came out of nowhere :D
GeForce 2 Ti is using a 150 nm version of the NV15 while rest of the GF2 GTS/Pro/Ultra series use 180 nm version. That might explain the smaller heatsink than in the Quadro 2 Pro version.
Ha, how did I miss that!
I owned a GeForce 2 GTS when brand new, I never heard of the “ti”. I switched to Radeon for higher FPS then nvidia made better drivers for the GTS and come to find out it made it faster than the Radeon that I had sadly. 😢
This is the golden content :)
I have a VisionTek Geforce 2 Ultra. It can produce similar clock results in comparison to the IBM Quadro 2 Pro shown. It looks identical to it as well. A green PCB reference design with heatsinks on the RAM chips.
Both were released in 2001. The Ti in october and the quadro in march.
THIS NFS game, and Tomb Raider ... I can't even ... Countless hours of game play :) Thanks for bringing me back down memory lane :)
Glad you liked it :D
One of my old Notebooks, a DELL Latitude D820, had a Nvidia Quadro NVS 120M (based on and a little bit faster than the GeForce Go 7400) which also performed quite well in games. For older gaming systems those cards are a great choice!
Interesting stuff - I was never able to confirm this at the time but I remember reading that the Geforce/Quadro cards of that era were identical silicon, the differences lying in the card BIOS.
Few people had the Quadro cards to confirm this though or at least I don't remember much beyond that little anecdote. I had a Geforce2 GTS at this time, was curious about the Quadro cards though.
The Quadro cards likely get the better binned chips.
I have one of those Santa cruiz cards and i really like it.
When you are talking about cards from this era, there was relatively little difference between the professional lines and the consumer lines on the hardware level. Later on this changed because enough people caught on that you could force a Quadro driver on to a Geforce card and get similar performance for a quarter or less of the price of the professional cards that the manufacturers took note. I am not sure what the differences were, they were most likely on a bios level initially which I expect changed to a ROM chip later to stop such unofficial upgrades happening. I believe you will find similar things happening in the world of ATI between the consumer and pro lines.
When is "later"?
I couldn't say exactly, but I believe that not long after these cards were relesed ATI and Nvidia started cracking down on people using consumer cards as professional cards by making it more difficult to switch between driver standards. Certainly by the time of the HD 4870 it was a lot harder to do.
My favorite card of that era has got to be the GeForce 4 Ti for Q3A ( I know this video was about the GeForce 2 and I liked that card a lot also)
I made a quadro 2 from geforce 2 mx with a screwdriver and some heat
2 resistors swap and bios update
also editing bios clock speed make for better base clock for overclocking in riva tuner
I actually did such a BIOS clock change on almost all my cards. From my Geforce 7300 GT and 8800 GT, over the HD 4870 all the way up to a GTX 660 Ti.
It all comes down to drivers. Typically workstation cards don't have drivers optimized for games. But on older cards it doesn't really matter.
Hi Phil,
You should underclock your CPU below 2 GHz in NFS Porsche 2000/Unleashed to prevent the erratic movements and washed-out/blurry dashboard textures ( as can be seen in the video). I experinced the same problems back in the day when I overclocked my Athlon XP 1700+ :) .
CPU runs at 1.4 GHz.
My eyes deceived me (and Porsche 2000 did not look as good as I remember).
Btw I have checked and really the buggy/blurry textures are more ugly.
At 3 GHz:
falcosoft.hu/porsche_3ghz.jpg
At 1.8 Ghz:
falcosoft.hu/porsche_1.8ghz.jpg
Nice, thank you. Was looking for some examples, could only find pictures of the number plate. These are awesome, now I know what to look for in the future :)
Congratulations you successfully upgraded your quadro 2 pro to a titan xp
I have a MSI GeForce 2 Pro with 64MB here. Must be the same as the Quatro, but designed for Gamers in the year 2000. :D
That Need4speed game look fun!
2001 and they were already prepared (in theory) for 2K @ 75HZ. Impressing.
2001 also saw the release of the IBM T220, a 22" LCD monitor with a native resolution of 3840×2400@41Hz, about a million more pixels than "4K"'s 3840x2160
Hey phil!
Since you're in AUS, I was wondering if you have access to places to dumpster-dive for hardware..
(at least the new) quadros have ECC Ram, thats probably why you were able to overclock the quadro so high
I miss this kind of smoothness.
Did you know that it is possible to rebadge certain Geforce cards into Quadros via RivaTuner?
Besides shader unlocks one of the features I miss the most on its recent derivates (Afterburner, PresicionX, etc.)
It does not work/send video signal on/with 440BX and similiar (440LX, etc.) motherboards. I guess it is too much power demanding and those motherboards can't provide enough power on AGP slot (which these motherboards are known for).
relaxed memory timings would allow a higher overclock
Lets get out that nice BIOS Editor. Does NiBiTor work on such old cards?
Guess I have to test it with the BIOS of my GF3 Ti 200...
One of the problems with finding Quadro cards is they don't have an advertising label with Skeletor riding a fire breathing unicorn with a machine gun and "MFQUADRO SUCKAA!" written over it.
The only ID is a little fan that says "NVidia".
They come from bulk liquidations of stacks of old business machines, not gamer consumers, so any knowledge of what cards they were was lost early in the transaction.
The sellers who acquire things like this probably deal in too much volume to be bothered doing much investigating.
Sellers don't know what the cards are, so they just list them generically as an "NVidia graphics card" or toss them into a bulk lot.
I'm a fan of Quadros due to their build quality. They don't skimp on components like Geforces sometimes do.
Yea you got to find recyclers, they tend to carry OEM, HP or DELL versions of such cards. I got my FireGL 8800 cards from such a place for example.
that's exactly why I wonder if it is worth it to use a liquid cooling system... the thing is that you need to cool the liquid right..and how do you do that? With FANS..it doesn't make any sence regarding the noise BUT does the computer perform better?
The CPU or GPU is always waiting for memory, thus higher memory clock is expected to boost performance more.
Depends. If the GPU or CPU has enough bandwidth, more won't help. The GPU is very latency insensitive (no branches) and better timings is pointless. The CPU can be very latency sensitive, depending on the task and cache configuration.
Thanks for another great vid! I've got a Quadro4 980 XGL and I am considering to buy a GF6200 because it's silent and supports DX9. I wonder what's the best AGP card for Windows 98.
I used them in the past, easy upgrades from the company i worked. But i checked and the lowest price for that was 15 and not working. Next was 590 from Germany. Lowest TI was 45 from Poland. Have to think if this video has somthing to do about it :)
Regarding OC, it's not strange that Quadro 2 can clock so high. Professional cards use the best binned chips. It seems that it's a nice card for retro gaming and retro OCing.
Confirmed. My Xeon X5460 runs happily on 4.1 Ghz That's a nice full GHz OC on an already high clocked quad core.
My Geforce 7300 GT was able to clock from 400/400 MHz all the way up to 640/440 MHz Thats a nice 60% OC on the chip.
Modern Quadro's have one thing I really wish I could get in Geforce cards, ECC RAM.
Nice video, but how does the gf2 ultra stand up agaisnt these results? I'm curious to know the difference, because the quadro 2 is always super cheap on ebay as you mentioned.
I don't have an Ultra. I refuse to pay inflated prices and just get the mainstream cards.
Good video!
11:07 initial d style blind attack:D
Not sure what that means but loved it regardless :D
PhilsComputerLab it's reference to initial d, anime about street racing in japan. One of signature moves of main character was blind attack , he drove toyota ae86 with pop up headlights just like that porshe, he basicly would turn off headlights before entry of the corner to desapear in darkness in his opponents rear view mirror.
If you are in to cars i highly recommend this series :)
PhilsComputerLab it's reference to initial d, anime about street racing in japan. One of signature moves of main character was blind attack , he drove toyota ae86 with pop up headlights just like that porshe, he basicly would turn off headlights before entry of the corner to desapear in darkness in his opponents rear view mirror.
If you are in to cars i highly recommend this series :)
Ah, sweet thanks for explaining :D
Cool. I thought that the Quadro was going to lose miserably. BTW Which controller did you used to play NFS?
Some Logitech USB joystick. Fairly modern, got it 2 years ago?
F310?
Nah it's a stick, not a pad.
Something like this?:
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That IS the one! It's ok, but I prefer another one. Thrustmaster T.16000 it has less resistance and is smoother but costs more.
I remember that years back ago you could patch GeForce drivers to behave like CAD adapters. I personally never tried this nor knew what these patches did. Anyone can elaborate on this?
hey why dont you check out the quadro4 400 nvs pci? its basically 2 mx 460's on 1 card and i'd like to see some benchmarks on it
There is no point doing core OCing on GF2 because the architecture is severely memory bandwidth limited. Memory bandwidth saving tech only started with GF3.
Great video, now the question is, how does an oc'd quadro compare to geforce 3?
It overclocks just like a GeForce.
NFS Porshe deserves a remake:)
I remember this game ran prety good even on my intel 810 on-board graphics.
Greate video! What is wrong with my computer? PII 450MHz/ 2x256MB/ GF2Ti (PROLINK)/ Win98SE. I have a slide show on the screen when all the cars in the game (My favorite game ever!). It's better with the PIII Tualatin 1.4 but the graphics don't look nice like this video. What are the best drivers for GF2 Ti?
Just picked up a Quadro2 Pro off ebay, looks exactly like the one in this video, im sure i paid too much for it($80 w/warranty), looks like new, even though used, it should be here by this weekend, i look forward to seeing how well it does on a WIN98se retro machine as well. One small detail, according to "TechPowerUp", this same card, but with the added s-video option, shows the clocks @ 200/250(500), im not sure what the difference is or why the difference from your video card clocks, unless by chance tech got the clocks backwards, but i'll soon find out after i get mine.
Yea clocks can differ, mine was an IBM OEM model, so that might be the reason.
I just the card in yesturday... pentium3 1ghz/133 coppermine, kingston 2x256mb pc133, asus cusl2-c, nvidia driver 71.84, XP_Pro SP3, DX9.0c updated and 3dmark2k1, my best scores of 3514(250/200) and 3613(250/230) with v-sync turned off. I installed the video card as a Quadro2 Pro, figured i'd test it as is since you forced the GF2 Ti model for yours and really didnt see any difference, plays some win98 and early winXP era games at very respectable frame rates, im content. FYI, i also have a GF2 Ti by visiontek, factory clocked @ 250/200, but it came with 5ns memory which is good for 400mhz, so it probably will not be much of an overclocker on the memory, so im not going to bother trying to for now, perhaps someday.
Bige4u Do watch that video on driver versions, the latest drivers are slower by quite a margin.
I did catch that video of yours on the different drivers some time ago, i'll have to view it again... figured i'd try the last official nvidia driver for the GF2 Quadro2 Pro card first and see what i got.
that's an insane overclock
Glad to know I made the right choice :)
NFS:PU! One of my favorite games!
I have a Apple Macintosh G5 1.8DP what card do you think I should get to max it out. I don't want to throw it out for it being old but I don't want to ruin the case trying to mod it.
im computer guy here around, and everytime some idiot asks me what does TI stands for i reply "turbo intercooler" :D
That Need For Speed game looks surprisingly good, but the tire squealing sound effect is rubbish.
Actually, the GeForce2 Ti will have better cooling since its heatsink has a higher mass... The higher the mass, the greater the thermal mass and therefore the better it can cool the GPU.. the fan might be smaller but that shouldn't matter since the GPUs are roughly the same TDP.
Well another viewer advised me that the GF2 Ti is made in a smaller process! So it consumes less power to begin with, that explains the smaller fan :) Didn't help with the OC though...
Yeah... some older GPUs weren't the best when it comes to overclocking... doesn't stop me though... I got a GeForce4 MX420 to 550MHz on the core once!! it was barely stable but I was going for a top-clock run and the 3D application only had to launch with minimal artefacting to pass.. I did a stable run though and got 510MHz from it, which was a fair boost from the original 250MHz my model shipped at!
It has similar looks and layout to a modern motherboard.
you can change overclock limit in rivatuner
Oh nice, didn't know that :D Well it sounds better when you "maxed out the sliders" :D
Bugger, turns out I was using PowerStrip all along! ot RivaTuner >
hello do you have the GeForce2 ultra if so i would like to buy it from you. i have been looking for this card for 7 years. and i really want one so name your price
The Quadro, has DVI already? Very uncommon for a Geforce 2 card...
Windows Drivers have game optimizations for Geforce and not for Quadro
Can the quadro2 substitute a GF2 ultra?
Phil, if you actually care to know the RPM of stuff like this then hop on eBay and pick up an optical tachometer. Should be cheap. $13 on the Canadian site.
An optical tachometer? That sounds interesting, will check it out for sure.
Yeah, just a little handheld device. You put a sticker on a fan blade, and it counts how many times it passes by. Tells you the RPM.
Sweet, found them on eBay, will grab one soon :D
I just recently picked up a GF2 Ti from Prolink as well, but the model is slightly different. (MVGA-NVG2TAL) Same HSF and RAM (no ramsinks). Seems similar although the video-out is slightly higher up.
Something interesting about this one though is there is a jumper just underneath the bios and where the video-out is on your board there is a silkscreened label (JP2 JP3: Geforce short 1-2, Quadro short 2-3). I'm guessing it is set in Geforce mode as default since it is a GF2 Ti and you can switch it to Quadro mode. I didn't know the manufacturer would make it so easy to switch over.
It's also mentioned on this page (under the Prolink GF2 Ti section). My card is the exact same model.
hattix.co.uk/hardware/index.php?page=video2.html
Did you try that jumper and does it work? That sounds super cool...
No, I haven't had a chance to even try out the card yet to see if it works! I am curious about it now after
I'm putting together a P3-S/Asus TUSL2-C system, but the plastic retention clip on the Intel HSF that came with the (boxed 1.26ghz P3-S) cpu broke. I'm in the process of searching for another HSF for the cpu. -_-;
Now I also have my eye on a Quadro2 Pro after checking out this video. Would be nice to test it against the GF2 Ti in Quadro mode if I can get my system up. See if there is any difference.
Pentium III-S aka Tualatin? Because of the IHS the chip is taller. Don't use a normal cooler. You can bend the bracket a bit to reduce tension, but these chips are taller, so a normal cooler will often snap off the plastic hook. Happened to me as well.
Yeah, the Tualatin. That makes sense. I didn't even think about it at the time. The Heatsink was the Intel HS from the retail box P3-S, but I used a clip from a normal coppermine P3 as it didn't include it. Included everything else (cpu, heatsink, box, documents and P3 sticker). I should've tested with my coppermine 1ghz P3 first.
That is a handy tip. I have seen coppermine and tualatin compatible hsf, but if I can get by with a normal socket 370 one, that would be nice.
Is that gameplay with a steering wheel? Some nice steering, you can't do that on keyboard, and I wonder if you can on a gamepad.
Played with a Joystick :)
That's what I use too.Also essential for flight simulations
Since you mentioned that the Quadro2 might be easier to find in America, I checked ebay and Amazon here. I couldn't find any listings on ebay, but found a seller on Amazon that has them listed for $60. While this is much higher than the prices you were seeing, the GeForce2 Ti also seems to be much more expensive here, the cheapest I could find was $45 on ebay. Couldn't find a single listing for a GeForce2 Ultra anywhere. Here's the Amazon listing for the Quadro2 Pro if anyone feels like getting a nice card that can be overclocked from this era: www.amazon.com/nVidia-Quadro2-Input-Video-96VHW/dp/B006RNBQ5C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484336293&sr=8-1&keywords=Nvidia+Quadro2+Pro
Thanks for checking! That's a bit of a bummer. Yea I wouldn't pay that much, not even close. There are lots of other options, GF3, GF4 MX, which are based on the GF2, you get the idea. Maybe it's just January being flat for sales, who knows. I'm sure there are more of these out there!
Ah, so then those are also appropriate and compatible for games in that era? In that case, GeForce3 Ti500 is pretty hard to find, but the GeForce4 MX460 is seems to go for as low as $15-35 (if and when it shows up). The GeForce4 MX440 is nearly as powerful and a lot more common, I'm seeing them on ebay US for around $15-20. Interested viewers should also note that the MX440 with AGP8x has faster RAM than the AGP4x version by 100MHz, so get the 8x version if you can.
Even those prices seem high. Maybe all the recyclers are on holidays? A GF4 MX is not worth $20 the last time I checked, they usually come free with a bundle often or should be given away :D
One issue is the newer the card, the less far you can go back with older drivers. AGP 8x cards are newer actually and often only quite modern drivers work. Same goes for the GF2 Ti in the video. The original GF2 GTS is the oldest and you can use the oldest drivers. I mention this because with Nvidia a period correct driver is often very important.
Quite surprised by these prices, I really think it's just a bad time and soon there will be lots of stock on eBay.
Good point, I'll check again in a month or so.
In Germany you could get a Quadro2 for 15-20 euro and a Gf2 Ti for 20-40 Euro. I'm glad I dont have to stick on such dated hardware since I can proudly call my self the owner of an Geforce 3 Ti 200 xD
how ever I wouldn't get a GF4 MX, selling a GF2 MX to as a GF4 seemed unfair to me, not as unfair as the release of the GF4 Ti shortly afteer i got my GF3 but still unfair ^^
geeforce 2 ti pro-vt , today on ebay is around 100 $, ouff !
i had a Prolink Geforce 2 Ti that had a jumper to change it into a quadro.
For real? Man Nvidia surely wouldn't have been happy about that.
i'm guessing it was a dual bios card to be able to do it, also had another jumper for ntsc/pal, not sure what it did as i never checked.
NTSC/PAL jumper is to select the TV-out mode.
Cool video! Never thought about Quadro cards for retro gaming until now. By the way, do you have a list of retro parts that you own and/or a list of retro parts you want to test and don't have? I have some older graphics cards that I don't think I'll ever use and maybe you'd be interested?
question - can i use something more modern for dos/win 98 gaming? - and the more modern card is nvidia geforce or whatever 5200 with 128 mb vram?
You should go up to around 2.0-2.2 GHZ on the CPU without issues.
Win 98 starts getting issues with more than 512 MB RAM. (Can be tweaked to allow up to around 2 GB)
On the graphics card it all depends on your needs and funds. I had a Radeon 9600 Pro SE for a long time pared with a Pentium III 933 MHz. But more modern cards actually lack some legacy features. For full support for DOS titles I'd suggest going not higher than a Geforce 4 Ti or Radeon 8000 Series. (The latest cards with official driver support are the Geforce 6 and Radeon 9000 series)
Also some older DOS games are very sensitive to CPU speed. Having 133 MHz instead of 66 MHz can make everyting run on double the speed. There is a reason there were Turbo buttons on odler machines.
Put some RAM heatsinks on the GeForce2 Ti, and it will likely overclock much better.
Fujitsu CELSIUS Quadro2 Pro and that cart prefoms better that the (i think) newer FX5200, How is that Possible? But the Elsa Gloria DCC is even a bit Better. i have all of these cards, i Tested it in a IBM Netvista P4 PC I try it with the games GTA SA and Morrowind
Older drivers can be faster!