I like the segment from 16:45 - 19:40, especially the part where the actress sitting on the left speaks about herself as 12 year old girl imagining the ultimate version of herself as some sort of fantastical super hero, sexy, confident, powerful and vulnerable. One doesn't even have to compare her to Anita to feel that this actress rocks.
Jena Malone seems pretty cool...I've liked her since seeing her in Donnie Darko. Anita, on the other hand, is basically the Cinemasins of feminism. It's not her job to analyze anything objectively, it's her job to decide things suck as an a priori and then come up with reasons why. At least she's kind of disappeared.
Well, this is just an old one with some touch-up work. I've got another, actual new one I'm going to start on soon. And yeah, I personally thought Brazil was a fairly obvious source of inspiration, but it's also a film many people these days have never seen.
Corn Pone Flicks Great! Honestly I haven’t to many about Sucker Punch since the time it came out. Either way your videos are really great and well thought out. I love them.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Brazil. One of my faves, from way back when. When it was quite a coup to get Bob De Niro in a low budget British film. When Terry Gilliam was making great movies. With Tom Stoppard assisting the screenplay. Guess it was never that well known stateside.
Fantastic review ^^ I especially appreciate the nuanced dive into the meta drama. I saw this film at a very dark point in my life and I felt it on like a spiritual level, so it was bizarre to me that some people saw it as a male gaze sexual fantasy. Anyway, love your work, keep being awesome
I don't think there's any real doubt that men WILL like seeing attractive girls in sexy clothes, no matter what the point of the film is, but I don't actually think there's anything wrong with that, any more than it's wrong for women to enjoy all the gratuitous scenes of shirtless Thor. Being attracted to other people is fine and normal; just don't be creepy about it. If I was to add one thing to this which I feel slipped my mind, it's that the girls' outfits don't even show that much skin...you'll see more at any swimming pool.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks sometimes showing a little can be a lot more sexy than showing a lot, like the "zettai ryouiki" in babydoll's outfit. To me this is unequivocally a good thing. People in the sexism debate often forget that women like sexy things too, not only in a hetero way
I had to Google that term, but point taken. And I do think everyone, given the choice, would rather be attractive than not, whether or not you're looking to actually attract someone.
Pleased you did this (the movie is one of my hidden guilty pleasures I feel I cannot admit to while trying to maintain my persona as a quasi-'intellectual')! ;) Anyhoo, one thing - the shadow on your face all through your commentary shots - I found myself drifting away from your analysis to instead wonder 'what you were trying to say' by this shadow? :) ...It was a bit of a puzzle.
This is the trap so many fall into when analyzing another's work: assuming meaning exists everywhere. All it actually says is that I filmed this alone and didn't realize the shadow was there until I was done and reviewed the footage, at which point I wasn't about to redo the whole on-cam segment.
I am a 40-something woman, have a degree in psychology and probably am not stupid.... yet I love “sucker punch”, I always thought it is somewhat like “Showgirls”... deeply misunderstood! Thanks for clearing that up... snd yeah, your videos are great
This was a very good analysis of the movie as I largely share the same opinions. I liked the idea and found myself really wanting to like the movie but I feel like it missed the mark on a few things it was trying to accomplish. I look forward to your other videos and future critiques. Thank you.
I wonder how this movie would do now? Considering how much abuse has come into light that this movie challenges. Even 9 years so many subjects this movie tackles were largely kept in the dark. It’s okay not to like this movie but don’t like it because you don’t want to see that this is deeper than what is seen. I’m glad to see more people discussing this movie and having their own interpretations of its many meanings.
To add to my confusion about the movie, the DVD of it I bought had a sleeve which had an additional photo on the INSIDE of the sleeve. (That part is usually white.) I can't remember exactly what was in the photo. But I remember thinking it indicated my previous conclusions about who was the heroine were wrong. I no longer have that sleeve so I can not clarify what I mean. It was so odd finding a photo on the INSIDE of the sleeve.
I don't know how much input the director has on the art used in promotion, such as DVD covers, so it might not really indicate anything more than what a particular designer felt about it.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Good point. But it was baffling. I wish I could remember exactly what it pictured. At the time I think I concluded Jenna'Malone's role in the story was more significant that I had previously thought. Did I think Jenna represented the sister killed in the opening scenes? But that was a few years ago and I don't have the sleeve to refresh my memory. I wish I did.
I really enjoy your reviews! I am definitely curious to see your take on Southland Tales though. I feel like I am 1 of 5 who enjoys it even though it's absolutely horrid, but I bet you'd do a tremendous job presenting it being torn apart or defending it in some regard.
It was going to be a part of the next video I was going to do, but it's been so long that to do so required re-watching it, and I stalled thirty minutes in and haven't been able to pick it back up. Maybe I'll come back to it someday.
And here i was thinking it was about how the guy from young guns 2 who says, "you took my farm Mr Chism, you took a lot of farms Mr Chism, got his farm back
Interesting that feminists would interpret this movie as a chauvinistic male fantasy when its entire thesis is an indictment of male chauvinism. Strange that FemFreq didn't pick up on that. Almost as if she was taken completely by surprise. Like it hit her out of nowhere.
Only if you assume that she's sincere. Anita was the Cinemasins of feminism...she was never about examining things to see if they were sexist. Guilt was presumed from the outset and she only had to ferret it out whether it was there or not, just as Cinemasins goes in looking to find things to bitch about, even if they have to misrepresent the film or just outright lie. When your brand is all about selling complaints, you don't worry much about honesty.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks No I'm with you there. I'm not a big consumer of Anita's work although I did side with her during the Gamergate fiasco, but generally she likes to play fast and loose with facts to fit her narrative which I understand is important for branding reasons and little else.
The fantasy sequences are kind of my biggest problem with the narrative structure of the movie. They don't feel like they're propelling the main narrative forward but rather are just distractions before switching back to the asylum to continue the story forward. Most of the actual identifiable symbolism really only shows up in the asylum sections, while none of the events in the fantasy sequences really have much of a connection to anything occurring with the characters in the other realm. I would've preferred it either to have taken place in a distorted version of the asylum itself or have it take place completely in the fantasy realm where every leg of the journey was a metaphor for the main character's trauma and personal demons. By having it both ways, the story just feels really unfocused and poorly paced.
I loved this movie and found it weird how it got much hate, but I find it even weirder not almost a decade later that people have really started appreciating it and I'm seeing a lot of conversations on it..
When I first saw it, I thought it was so obviously a guy's notion of what female empowerment looked like, and then I saw all the young girls and women dressing as the characters, and it was like, "Huh. Guess I was wrong."
To a bit fair to the movie being simultaneously deep and shallow, this was actually Zack's most interfered with movie when it comes to the studio involvement. He's even mentioned that he has the Director's Cut somehwere, and while I don't think he's mentioned how much longer it is than either existing cut, Zack's Director's Cuts are always the superior versions of his films, and the studios continue to interfere. It's odd. It's also his first original story, and I'd be interested in seeing the whole thing at some point, if not for the sake of realizing his vision. Honestly, I don't even get why studios make it necessary for Director's Cuts to even exisg. Sure, they don't actually care about the films they're making, but how can they not realize that the Director's Cuts will get them the most money in the long run?
I caught this film one afternoon on free pirated cable channel here in Thailand, in progress. Had no idea what name of film was (no schedule, no program, just whatever they may have ripped off). Months and months pass and then... bingo! I watch your review (often as good or better than source material, I'm always interested in whatever you might focus on....) unknowing, and it comes up like spoiled pork shank lunch: "Oh, THAT movie!" It was entertaining & a "glorious mess" as you aptly put it. Being a big Lynch fan, I'm willing to go along for the ride where ever a film may go (usually...), at least on first viewing. Like you, I give extra points for trying something outside the box that shows some individuality... beats seemingly infinite showings of Pirates of the C franchise that are in rotation on that channel.
I am preeeeeeeetty sure I was previously subscribed to you--because your long-form stuff is among the very best on UA-cam--but today, I randomly checked & discovered that I had somehow been UNscubscribed (!), without my knowledge. That has been rectified, for now--but I am side-eyeing UA-cam INTENSELY, at this point. o_0 Keep up the great work!
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Pardon the possibly-ignorant question here, but: Are you 'officially' on Twitter, Insta, the like? There seem to be some CPF 'presences', and I'd like to follow--but I'm not entirely sure they're actually you guys? o_0 Keep up the great work!
I'm not on Twitter or Instagram. There's a pair of CPF Facebook pages, an old one run by me and a newer one run by a friend of mine, but I don't really post anything to them because they're basically useless. Pretty much no one signed up to them actually watches my stuff, so I quit bothering with them. This channel is essentially all there is, apart from our ancient website.
What's up is that I set up the lights and camera all by myself, with nobody to check and see what it looked like when I was actually sitting in the chair. I didn't realize that shadow was there until after I'd recorded everything, and I really didn't have the patience to redo the whole thing.
The phrasing is something I came up with, though the sentiment isn't original. It's basically an appeal to the principle of charity, to not automatically assume malicious intent concerning actions with which you disagree.
Th3birdman just posted a refutation of Cinemasins' video on this film a few days ago that took very much the same point of view as to what's going on. I had been starting to think I was the only one who saw it this way.
Anita Sarkeesian/Feminist Frequency was wrong about SuckerPunch, but I gotta say, it's pretty weird how much glee male fans of the movie seem to get from presenting Sarkeesian as some sort of paragon of 'judgemental' women. It's a pattern I've noticed from male culture commentators, and it's happened to more women's rights movements than I can count. The males in the room pick out the parts of the movement they like best, and then denigrate whatever they find threatening.
There's nothing threatening about someone I can just ignore without it affecting me in the slightest. I denigrate things that are untrue, regardless of who supports them and why. I expect many people denigrated her in general because she blatantly misrepresented things all the time.
I have to say the first time I watched this movie it was for the girls in skimpy costumes kicking ass, it looked like it was going to be a fun action movie. While the action scenes ended up being fun, the trapped claustrophobic feel of the film and the ending left me utterly depressed. Not only was it depressing it portrayed men as the scum of the earth (I don't see how any feminist can take offense to this movie). While I can see what the director was going for, I find no pleasure or appreciation in films that leave you feeling like shit. I have never watched the film again. I prefer to watch films for escapism, to be entertained and to leave me feeling better. There is enough awful shit going on in the world I don't need it in my entertainment. I think that is why I despised the movie is the betrayal of expectations from the marketing to the actual film. At least if I would have known what I was getting in for I could have prepared myself.
I had a similar feeling about the film The House of Sand and Fog. It was basically a story of total hopelessness, with nothing positive to take away, no lessons or words of wisdom to impart, just an avalanche of tragedy that would be better marketed as a suicide aid. I didn't feel that way about this one, but I can relate to the sentiment. I didn't feel the film was an anti-male screed, though. Scott Glen's Wise Man character was clearly a good guy, and I don't see any reason to think that the bad guys somehow represented men as a whole. The particular feminist complaining about the film in this video is known for finding offense in everything-she is to feminism what Cinemasins is to film criticism, finding fault because it's part of the brand, whether it's there or not.
Thank you! I've been trying to present the point that it's up for interpretation to the viewer. Sure, costumes can be questionable and sure, some of the motives can be unclear, but overall one takes from it what he or she will. I was really dreading the final points you were going to make in the end but I am very thankful they were fair and open to all. I only found this channel last month, so I wasn't sure if you were to be trusted or not yet. I'm grateful for your honesty, transparency, and logical reasoning, which seems to be without heavy bias and fair to both sides. If only I could've presented my case that this movie wasn't a simple cash grab, or pandering to this or that group so eloquently, I may have been more successful. Honestly though, after everything is said and done, I have only one question left: what the hell ever happened to simply sitting down to be entertained for the sake of fun? It seems like everyone belongs to a special interests group of immediately picks apart everything claiming it is this or that and vilifies the whole cast and crew for being a part of such garbage or whatever other adjective given. Personally, I enjoyed it and was happy to see all the amazing effects in the scenes shown. It's like watching a comic book come to life - more so than many of the comic book films everyone now embraces (now that it's cool and fashionable) seem to be able to do. That's just my two (well, appears to be three) cents on it. Thanks for a great video and all your diligent work. Have a great evening.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "trusted"...everyone's opinion is just that, and not to be taken as any kind of final word on the subject. I do get tired of the whole notion of approaching every film with the mind of finding some sort of agenda which can then be bitched about at length. I've been considering a video on the subject of viewing films though agenda goggles, and how both ends of the political spectrum do it way too much.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks By "trusted" I meant, as a viewer of your content, I can watch with the idea that it isn't going to have an agenda that tries to persuade me I should like/dislike [insert title here]. I mean that I know it, whatever the subject may be, will be treated with a rationale that gives your opinion and that it will fall on whichever side of the proverbial fence it may. Also, it helps that it [opinion] will be served up with a side dish of sarcasm, enough to make the video entertaining and the channel worth subscribing to. I hink that would be an interesting idea and fun watch. A bit of tongue in cheek toward those types and it wouldn't hurt them (for long) to have a mirror held up for their penetrative gaze and scathing reviews. Well, many of them seem to be that way to me, but that's my opinion.
Snyder should have been a cinematographer only. He makes beautifully shot films that say absolutely nothing of profundity or value. You call Sucker Punch a "beautiful mess" but I think "well polished turd" is closer to the mark.
Most films say nothing of profundity...is that really the standard we want, because we'll have to exclude most films if that's where we place the bar. Also, Watchmen totally does, though that's more ascribable to Alan Moore's writing.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...this was originally made back in 2017, when she was slightly more relevant than now. She still has 221,000 subscribers, but her newer videos are drawing about as many views as mine.
Corn Pone Flicks by the way, did you see the second season of Altered Carbon? After seeing the first and reading the source novels, I was excited... and then I watched it. Guess what destroyed the show, in my opinion?
My answer is still no. I've never seen Altered Carbon. And I have no interest in participating in some gender war, or judging entire ideas by their worst adherents.
I initially forgot what shirt I was wearing in this and thought you were commenting on me. It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious!
I like the segment from 16:45 - 19:40, especially the part where the actress sitting on the left speaks about herself as 12 year old girl imagining the ultimate version of herself as some sort of fantastical super hero, sexy, confident, powerful and vulnerable. One doesn't even have to compare her to Anita to feel that this actress rocks.
Jena Malone seems pretty cool...I've liked her since seeing her in Donnie Darko. Anita, on the other hand, is basically the Cinemasins of feminism. It's not her job to analyze anything objectively, it's her job to decide things suck as an a priori and then come up with reasons why. At least she's kind of disappeared.
Another tremendous video. I thought I was the only one who thought of Brazil when I saw Sucker Punch. Keep up the great work.
Well, this is just an old one with some touch-up work. I've got another, actual new one I'm going to start on soon. And yeah, I personally thought Brazil was a fairly obvious source of inspiration, but it's also a film many people these days have never seen.
Corn Pone Flicks Great! Honestly I haven’t to many about Sucker Punch since the time it came out. Either way your videos are really great and well thought out. I love them.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Brazil. One of my faves, from way back when. When it was quite a coup to get Bob De Niro in a low budget British film. When Terry Gilliam was making great movies. With Tom Stoppard assisting the screenplay.
Guess it was never that well known stateside.
One of the rare channels that I feel compelled to watch the same videos multiple times. 😍
Fantastic review ^^
I especially appreciate the nuanced dive into the meta drama. I saw this film at a very dark point in my life and I felt it on like a spiritual level, so it was bizarre to me that some people saw it as a male gaze sexual fantasy.
Anyway, love your work, keep being awesome
I don't think there's any real doubt that men WILL like seeing attractive girls in sexy clothes, no matter what the point of the film is, but I don't actually think there's anything wrong with that, any more than it's wrong for women to enjoy all the gratuitous scenes of shirtless Thor. Being attracted to other people is fine and normal; just don't be creepy about it. If I was to add one thing to this which I feel slipped my mind, it's that the girls' outfits don't even show that much skin...you'll see more at any swimming pool.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks sometimes showing a little can be a lot more sexy than showing a lot, like the "zettai ryouiki" in babydoll's outfit. To me this is unequivocally a good thing. People in the sexism debate often forget that women like sexy things too, not only in a hetero way
I had to Google that term, but point taken. And I do think everyone, given the choice, would rather be attractive than not, whether or not you're looking to actually attract someone.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks A VERY gay friend of mine saw me watching Sucker Punch and said "Huh. HIgh-class porn?"
*Ahem*
When porn gets so high-class that it contains no sex or nudity, it probably needs a better descriptor.
Pleased you did this (the movie is one of my hidden guilty pleasures I feel I cannot admit to while trying to maintain my persona as a quasi-'intellectual')! ;) Anyhoo, one thing - the shadow on your face all through your commentary shots - I found myself drifting away from your analysis to instead wonder 'what you were trying to say' by this shadow? :) ...It was a bit of a puzzle.
This is the trap so many fall into when analyzing another's work: assuming meaning exists everywhere. All it actually says is that I filmed this alone and didn't realize the shadow was there until I was done and reviewed the footage, at which point I wasn't about to redo the whole on-cam segment.
I am a 40-something woman, have a degree in psychology and probably am not stupid.... yet I love “sucker punch”, I always thought it is somewhat like “Showgirls”... deeply misunderstood! Thanks for clearing that up... snd yeah, your videos are great
I admit that I've never been compelled to see Showgirls. Even people I know who like it think it's an unintentional comedy.
Corn Pone Flicks it is a total satire.., and yes, very funny...
This was a very good analysis of the movie as I largely share the same opinions. I liked the idea and found myself really wanting to like the movie but I feel like it missed the mark on a few things it was trying to accomplish. I look forward to your other videos and future critiques. Thank you.
I wonder how this movie would do now? Considering how much abuse has come into light that this movie challenges. Even 9 years so many subjects this movie tackles were largely kept in the dark.
It’s okay not to like this movie but don’t like it because you don’t want to see that this is deeper than what is seen. I’m glad to see more people discussing this movie and having their own interpretations of its many meanings.
This film is a guilty pleasure. And your interpretation is pretty much spot-on.
To add to my confusion about the movie, the DVD of it I bought had a sleeve which had an additional photo on the INSIDE of the sleeve. (That part is usually white.) I can't remember exactly what was in the photo. But I remember thinking it indicated my previous conclusions about who was the heroine were wrong.
I no longer have that sleeve so I can not clarify what I mean.
It was so odd finding a photo on the INSIDE of the sleeve.
I don't know how much input the director has on the art used in promotion, such as DVD covers, so it might not really indicate anything more than what a particular designer felt about it.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Good point. But it was baffling. I wish I could remember exactly what it pictured. At the time I think I concluded Jenna'Malone's role in the story was more significant that I had previously thought. Did I think Jenna represented the sister killed in the opening scenes?
But that was a few years ago and I don't have the sleeve to refresh my memory. I wish I did.
A bunch of hot girls in crazy situations... I don't wanna live in a world where that's not a good thing.
We live inside a dream...
Nice to watch again, thanks for the polish on these gems
I really enjoy your reviews! I am definitely curious to see your take on Southland Tales though. I feel like I am 1 of 5 who enjoys it even though it's absolutely horrid, but I bet you'd do a tremendous job presenting it being torn apart or defending it in some regard.
It was going to be a part of the next video I was going to do, but it's been so long that to do so required re-watching it, and I stalled thirty minutes in and haven't been able to pick it back up. Maybe I'll come back to it someday.
And here i was thinking it was about how the guy from young guns 2 who says, "you took my farm Mr Chism, you took a lot of farms Mr Chism, got his farm back
We talk about the movie in context of the 60s,but the MeToo movement showed us that it's still the same behind closed doors
Interesting that feminists would interpret this movie as a chauvinistic male fantasy when its entire thesis is an indictment of male chauvinism.
Strange that FemFreq didn't pick up on that. Almost as if she was taken completely by surprise. Like it hit her out of nowhere.
Only if you assume that she's sincere. Anita was the Cinemasins of feminism...she was never about examining things to see if they were sexist. Guilt was presumed from the outset and she only had to ferret it out whether it was there or not, just as Cinemasins goes in looking to find things to bitch about, even if they have to misrepresent the film or just outright lie. When your brand is all about selling complaints, you don't worry much about honesty.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks No I'm with you there. I'm not a big consumer of Anita's work although I did side with her during the Gamergate fiasco, but generally she likes to play fast and loose with facts to fit her narrative which I understand is important for branding reasons and little else.
The fantasy sequences are kind of my biggest problem with the narrative structure of the movie. They don't feel like they're propelling the main narrative forward but rather are just distractions before switching back to the asylum to continue the story forward. Most of the actual identifiable symbolism really only shows up in the asylum sections, while none of the events in the fantasy sequences really have much of a connection to anything occurring with the characters in the other realm. I would've preferred it either to have taken place in a distorted version of the asylum itself or have it take place completely in the fantasy realm where every leg of the journey was a metaphor for the main character's trauma and personal demons. By having it both ways, the story just feels really unfocused and poorly paced.
I think it might have worked better to have had more fanstasy scenes, but to have kept them shorter, like, again, Brazil did.
To be fair in the context of the plot they ARE distractions, but I agree about the pacing and focus.
I loved this movie and found it weird how it got much hate, but I find it even weirder not almost a decade later that people have really started appreciating it and I'm seeing a lot of conversations on it..
When I first saw it, I thought it was so obviously a guy's notion of what female empowerment looked like, and then I saw all the young girls and women dressing as the characters, and it was like, "Huh. Guess I was wrong."
To a bit fair to the movie being simultaneously deep and shallow, this was actually Zack's most interfered with movie when it comes to the studio involvement. He's even mentioned that he has the Director's Cut somehwere, and while I don't think he's mentioned how much longer it is than either existing cut, Zack's Director's Cuts are always the superior versions of his films, and the studios continue to interfere. It's odd. It's also his first original story, and I'd be interested in seeing the whole thing at some point, if not for the sake of realizing his vision.
Honestly, I don't even get why studios make it necessary for Director's Cuts to even exisg. Sure, they don't actually care about the films they're making, but how can they not realize that the Director's Cuts will get them the most money in the long run?
I caught this film one afternoon on free pirated cable channel here in Thailand, in progress. Had no idea what name of film was (no schedule, no program, just whatever they may have ripped off). Months and months pass and then... bingo! I watch your review (often as good or better than source material, I'm always interested in whatever you might focus on....) unknowing, and it comes up like spoiled pork shank lunch: "Oh, THAT movie!" It was entertaining & a "glorious mess" as you aptly put it. Being a big Lynch fan, I'm willing to go along for the ride where ever a film may go (usually...), at least on first viewing. Like you, I give extra points for trying something outside the box that shows some individuality... beats seemingly infinite showings of Pirates of the C franchise that are in rotation on that channel.
I am preeeeeeeetty sure I was previously subscribed to you--because your long-form stuff is among the very best on UA-cam--but today, I randomly checked & discovered that I had somehow been UNscubscribed (!), without my knowledge. That has been rectified, for now--but I am side-eyeing UA-cam INTENSELY, at this point. o_0 Keep up the great work!
I've heard of that happening before, though I've not been aware of it happening to me. UA-cam is a glitchy pain in the ass.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Pardon the possibly-ignorant question here, but: Are you 'officially' on Twitter, Insta, the like? There seem to be some CPF 'presences', and I'd like to follow--but I'm not entirely sure they're actually you guys? o_0 Keep up the great work!
I'm not on Twitter or Instagram. There's a pair of CPF Facebook pages, an old one run by me and a newer one run by a friend of mine, but I don't really post anything to them because they're basically useless. Pretty much no one signed up to them actually watches my stuff, so I quit bothering with them. This channel is essentially all there is, apart from our ancient website.
maybe the asylum / brothel represents Hollywood itself
Good video, but what's up with the shadow across your face?
What's up is that I set up the lights and camera all by myself, with nobody to check and see what it looked like when I was actually sitting in the chair. I didn't realize that shadow was there until after I'd recorded everything, and I really didn't have the patience to redo the whole thing.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Fair enough!
Your videos are outstanding!
Fantastic as always! Love this.
Is that an original quote at the very end of the video or like an old saying? I feel like I've heard it before.
The phrasing is something I came up with, though the sentiment isn't original. It's basically an appeal to the principle of charity, to not automatically assume malicious intent concerning actions with which you disagree.
Great! Now I have to go watch Sucker Punch so I can watch this video! Thanks a lot!
Finally, an interpretation of this film
Th3birdman just posted a refutation of Cinemasins' video on this film a few days ago that took very much the same point of view as to what's going on. I had been starting to think I was the only one who saw it this way.
Just fantastic.
Great review! Fair and unbiased!
Anita Sarkeesian/Feminist Frequency was wrong about SuckerPunch, but I gotta say, it's pretty weird how much glee male fans of the movie seem to get from presenting Sarkeesian as some sort of paragon of 'judgemental' women. It's a pattern I've noticed from male culture commentators, and it's happened to more women's rights movements than I can count. The males in the room pick out the parts of the movement they like best, and then denigrate whatever they find threatening.
There's nothing threatening about someone I can just ignore without it affecting me in the slightest. I denigrate things that are untrue, regardless of who supports them and why. I expect many people denigrated her in general because she blatantly misrepresented things all the time.
Great video.
Hey! Nice to see you here.
I have to say the first time I watched this movie it was for the girls in skimpy costumes kicking ass, it looked like it was going to be a fun action movie. While the action scenes ended up being fun, the trapped claustrophobic feel of the film and the ending left me utterly depressed. Not only was it depressing it portrayed men as the scum of the earth (I don't see how any feminist can take offense to this movie). While I can see what the director was going for, I find no pleasure or appreciation in films that leave you feeling like shit. I have never watched the film again. I prefer to watch films for escapism, to be entertained and to leave me feeling better. There is enough awful shit going on in the world I don't need it in my entertainment. I think that is why I despised the movie is the betrayal of expectations from the marketing to the actual film. At least if I would have known what I was getting in for I could have prepared myself.
I had a similar feeling about the film The House of Sand and Fog. It was basically a story of total hopelessness, with nothing positive to take away, no lessons or words of wisdom to impart, just an avalanche of tragedy that would be better marketed as a suicide aid. I didn't feel that way about this one, but I can relate to the sentiment.
I didn't feel the film was an anti-male screed, though. Scott Glen's Wise Man character was clearly a good guy, and I don't see any reason to think that the bad guys somehow represented men as a whole. The particular feminist complaining about the film in this video is known for finding offense in everything-she is to feminism what Cinemasins is to film criticism, finding fault because it's part of the brand, whether it's there or not.
Thank you! I've been trying to present the point that it's up for interpretation to the viewer. Sure, costumes can be questionable and sure, some of the motives can be unclear, but overall one takes from it what he or she will. I was really dreading the final points you were going to make in the end but I am very thankful they were fair and open to all. I only found this channel last month, so I wasn't sure if you were to be trusted or not yet. I'm grateful for your honesty, transparency, and logical reasoning, which seems to be without heavy bias and fair to both sides. If only I could've presented my case that this movie wasn't a simple cash grab, or pandering to this or that group so eloquently, I may have been more successful. Honestly though, after everything is said and done, I have only one question left: what the hell ever happened to simply sitting down to be entertained for the sake of fun? It seems like everyone belongs to a special interests group of immediately picks apart everything claiming it is this or that and vilifies the whole cast and crew for being a part of such garbage or whatever other adjective given. Personally, I enjoyed it and was happy to see all the amazing effects in the scenes shown. It's like watching a comic book come to life - more so than many of the comic book films everyone now embraces (now that it's cool and fashionable) seem to be able to do. That's just my two (well, appears to be three) cents on it. Thanks for a great video and all your diligent work. Have a great evening.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "trusted"...everyone's opinion is just that, and not to be taken as any kind of final word on the subject. I do get tired of the whole notion of approaching every film with the mind of finding some sort of agenda which can then be bitched about at length. I've been considering a video on the subject of viewing films though agenda goggles, and how both ends of the political spectrum do it way too much.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks By "trusted" I meant, as a viewer of your content, I can watch with the idea that it isn't going to have an agenda that tries to persuade me I should like/dislike [insert title here]. I mean that I know it, whatever the subject may be, will be treated with a rationale that gives your opinion and that it will fall on whichever side of the proverbial fence it may. Also, it helps that it [opinion] will be served up with a side dish of sarcasm, enough to make the video entertaining and the channel worth subscribing to.
I hink that would be an interesting idea and fun watch. A bit of tongue in cheek toward those types and it wouldn't hurt them (for long) to have a mirror held up for their penetrative gaze and scathing reviews. Well, many of them seem to be that way to me, but that's my opinion.
Snyder should have been a cinematographer only. He makes beautifully shot films that say absolutely nothing of profundity or value. You call Sucker Punch a "beautiful mess" but I think "well polished turd" is closer to the mark.
Most films say nothing of profundity...is that really the standard we want, because we'll have to exclude most films if that's where we place the bar.
Also, Watchmen totally does, though that's more ascribable to Alan Moore's writing.
Bringing up whats her face really dates this. Glad she is no longer relevant
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...this was originally made back in 2017, when she was slightly more relevant than now. She still has 221,000 subscribers, but her newer videos are drawing about as many views as mine.
So you do understand the toxicity of feminism?
No.
Corn Pone Flicks my mistake- that’s a typo. It meant to say feminism. I will fix it before my wife sees.
Corn Pone Flicks by the way, did you see the second season of Altered Carbon? After seeing the first and reading the source novels, I was excited... and then I watched it. Guess what destroyed the show, in my opinion?
My answer is still no.
I've never seen Altered Carbon.
And I have no interest in participating in some gender war, or judging entire ideas by their worst adherents.
Fool for a lifetime.
I initially forgot what shirt I was wearing in this and thought you were commenting on me. It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious!