Why and How Fake Propagation Videos are Made
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- When viewers find out about the genre of fake propagation videos, their first question is often: why? Why bother? Wouldn't it be almost as easy to use real cutting of seeding techniques? And how do they get away with it?
These questions were the main response to my recent video where I exposed some of the most common fakes: • Professional Grower Ex...
In this video, I'll go through and answer some of the most common question, and along the way, I'll show you a few more fakes that will make you shake your head!
I've used videos and thumbnails from some of the "usual suspects" and I'll be happy to defend the fair use of those clips for the purposes of criticism.
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There’s a saying that says it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled. I find this to be very true, and some ppl just seem to want to stay blind. 🤷🏻♀️ Those r the ppl I don’t waste my time on bc they’re not interested in the actual truth. Thanks for doing these videos for those of us who ARE interested in the actual truth, Jason! Merry Christmas! ❤
Thanks Lori. I'm so glad you found it useful!
True believers (and fakers) always move the goalposts if they're challenged effectively. You're doing good work here. As a gardener I thank you.
Amen, Lori. Your first sentence put it all into perspective. What a great saying!
yeah..., and relegion is the best example of that.
And that’s the best thing I have heard that makes perfect sense.
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to expose these fraudsters. In these times of fake news and fraudulent claims, their voice seems to be getting louder ( I guess the internet helps crazy find crazy) , and the voice of reason and truth is getting harder to hear over the din of stupidity. I appreciate and applaud your efforts.
Thanks for the encouragement Pamela!
It’s so frustrating seeing people fall for it in the comments
It really is!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I've found the easiest, failsafe propagation methods are found in my gardening books 📚 & I have more than I'll admit 😂 Been collecting, reading & experimenting for years. I've never seen any of the deceptive methods in the pages of any of the books 📚. Shame on them! Thank you for enlightening the many who look to these videos for education & end up disappointed afterwards.
You’re right. This is also our community. We should make it clean and healthy. Thank you, Jason!
Thanks 石针养花 hey, I saw your hydrangea video a while back! It certainly is better when we're all sharing real information
Yes, these are pure SUPER GLUE TRICKS. Because no one stop them and it's easy to fool us, now more and more clips similar to those come out. We definitely need to do something...
It was only a matter of time UA-cam turns into cesspool of scammers cause they don't punish them. Sensationalists bring them money short term but in long run they will be the reason for UA-cam downfall
Saw one of these videos on FB this morning... and was astonished. Someone posted a link to this video. Thank you so much!
You bet Susan!
I have to thank you. I am a beginner, watching gardening videos these days. I got totally fooled and I saved those faking videos in my library, thinking I will try them out. You really save time and money from my upcoming trials. Thank you a bunch!
You're most welcome!
I saw the propogation of a banana tree from a banana, lol, had baby roots at base of banana.😂😂😂
I can confirm that the “do not recommend channel“ button or even “not interested“ button for that matter does not work, because after a certain amount of time YT will still try to wiggle in the same garbage channels and garbage topics despite me clearly saying NO.
Thanks Semir. That's disappointing. I've had decent luck with the "do not recommend" button so far, but then they just slip in the next similar channel.
Humanity sold in the greed of money, too much disappointing but glad that you entered as a light ..now everything is clear🙏
Means alot sir to exposing this fraud
Indeed this is it ..
Love from india ❤
Thanks so much!
Thanks Jason for exposing those fake videos! What I also noted in one of the videos in which 2 yellow rose buds were used for (faking) propagation using pieces of Aloe vera as a rooting medium is that when the cuttings were dug out after 18 days, the Ale vera cuttings were nowhere to be found -- at least the skin of it should have been there. But it vanished in just 18 days -- which is impossible!
Thanks - once you start looking closely at the details, so many of these videos don't make sense. It's so frustrating!
Far before this, I was scolded by some of their "likers" after I posted some comments about their cheats! It was so unbelievable that STILL HAVE PEOPLE BELIEVED IN THEM~!
Thanks Jason for posting these videos... to open those people eyes!!!!
Thanks Rahman. I hope it helps!
A lot of those 'likers' would also be employed to troll critics out. Hitting the dislike still works even though we can't see the numbers.
Thanks Nym Net. It depends on what you mean by "works". The channel can still see the dislike, but it doesn't figure into recommendation and viewers can't be warned off from the video. So it only works in the way that it doesn't actually change anything.
Thank you for calling attention to this. I have pointed out and noticed there are alarming fake plant propagation & gardening videos. They are doing it for the ad revenue income they make..
I love the way you answer the questions in a calm and informative fashion. You do well as a teacher and I appreciate the way you deliver your information. Have a great Holiday season. Looking forward to more great videos next year! 🎄🎄🎄🎄
Thanks Barbara - and a happy holiday season to you and yours as well.
Go after the fake roses next. Weird colors.
Thanks Jeremy. It's an older video, but I've touched on the topic: ua-cam.com/video/dcvegffDFXs/v-deo.html
Jason is becoming the Ann Reardon/How to Cook That of the gardening world! Love it! Want to see more debunking videos...
Thanks Australian Man, but I'm not sure I have the long-term patience for it - not the desire to have my faith in humanity eroded with each video!
The best way we can encourage viewers to see that the fake videos are, well fake, is by watching a video like this right after it. UA-cam runs on an algorithm, so if viewers tend to watch certain videos together, one after each other, UA-cam will automatically be prompted suggest this video as an optional video after the fake ones.
Thanks for Opening our Eyes 🧐
You bet. Thanks for watching!
Good videos explained about fake gardners doing unimaginable gardening technics, I was worked as a gardner for 16 years,I never saw in my life such a fake gardners in my garden experience.Really i am surprised.Thankyou for your precious time to explain your experiences with us. In this Era All the people need the instant results no matter what it this.This is not good.
Thanks for watching and for your comments Kalyan Kumar
Thank you for making these debunking videos, I started seeing more of those fake propagation vids recently, I realised they were fake but I did find it bizarre that they put in so much time, effort and quite frankly creativity to make those videos.
I guess it makes sense that those videos really work as magic shows where purposefully outlandish methods are used to capture attention.
I also blame UA-cam itself for promoting misinformation by disallowing downvotes, back in the days you can quickly gauge the quality of the video by the dislike ratio but now everything is purposefully obscured allowing these scam vids to flourish.
Thanks for your comments - all on point! It's an awful trend, but I hope eventually it leads to a little more skepticism from viewers.
Just found your video. Thanks for doing this one! I get SO tired of seeing faked propagation videos and all the other types out there ("free electric" comes to mind first) that are nothing but clickbait and fraudsters angling for a cheap income scheme.
Thank you! I watched your other video where you linked to this one, and honestly, this one calmed me down quite a bit. You're right, most likely this will continue to sucker people in, who will then be discouraged from gardening, but that happens and there's really nothing we can do about it. Those who were fooled who really want to grow plants will continue to learn the right ways to do it.
Thank you so much for debunking these fake videos, and saving us the time and effort!
You got it Miss Cat Lady
Thank you so much for this video; it all clicked for me. I do not grow roses but some of your video's are more about ethics and as such incredibly valuable on their own. I need time to proces the information, because I am afraid I was really naive. I did not expect this to be so widespread and elaborate and now I am thinking: who can I trust?
Thanks Pauline. Most people won't assume outright fakery - so it's a tough thing to accept until you know the subject. It's also difficult that they mimic real propagation techniques. Growing from leaves could work on an African violet, but why should it be so far fetched for a rose? That's why on some of these channels, I take the approach that "once I've seen you fake anything, I'll no longer trust anything you say". Those large-shooted "seedlings" from rose hips is a clear fake, and so any channel that uses a variation of it goes on my list of untrustworthy channels.
You cannot reason with some people. I am thankful that your channel popped up in my suggestions a few weeks ago. You probably saved me a lot of trouble, because I am not a gardener and with such little knowledge I would assume the error would be in my execution rather than the whole method being phony baloney. I am sure many other people will thank you for showing the man behind the curtain as well.
Your analysis on a subject without issue is rich in lessons for so many other subjects where the same practices can be observed. I will share your video even for other scams having nothing to do with roses, because it shows how far it can go!
Thanks Naecofranck for your kind comments and for sharing.
I'm not brand new to gardening and I was still initially fooled. It didn't look 100% right but who pays such close attention? I had it playing while doing other things and was like hey that looks interesting. Thankfully your video also popped up on my feed.
Thanks for this essential information Jason. This sort of faking isn't confined to gardening - I remember a video explaining how to clean a CD with toothpaste and scouring powder! Your video should be shown in schools - it's a lesson that can be extended to many social media!
Thank you, I wanted to try one or two of these, glad I didn't waste my time.
Well done for having the courage to speak out about this and name & shame. You're doing such an important job. Thanks Jason.
Thank you for taking the time to debunk!
You got it Alexandra
Other YT tips: Tap on the site’s icon. Read the description below the title-used to be the About section. Who’s doing the channel? An experienced grower who shows you their face? Scroll down to see when channel started. Keep the date in mind. Tap on Videos, then Oldest to scan pictures and titles from the start. Are words like secret and magic used? Why would a horticulturist have to use those words? Scrutinize the photos. Are all the supposed fruits just too perfect and just so precisely placed? Nature ever give you that? Consider, could that mini orange tree have been grown from the time channel started to date of video? Sometimes when you look at Oldest first you see the channel began with a totally different topic. Thanks for the info on reliable channels.
Magical thinking and people who loath the phrase "no scientific proof" are the two key elements why some people believe in the fake propagation, and honestly in many cons that the con artists scammers are running on people. That is why I don't give them the click because I loath being manipulated and that is what these scammers are doing. I guess some people have nothing better to do all day than watch that sort of garbage but for me I got so much I need to be doing that I find it hard to find time to watch the channels I trust and enjoy, your channel is one I make time for. Thanks for being there.
My pleasure. I actually feel a little bad because I've ignored my own advice and given them more than a few clicks in the last couple of week (in preparation for these vids!) It's not good for my faith in humanity.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm It is understandable for you to watch them as research in preparation for your videos to respond to you viewers. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
THANK YOU for pointing out these frauds..... and doing it in a scientific and classy manner...
Merry Christmas Jason. The prove is in the pudding as they say. I've hundreds of roses growing following your methods ( an a couple others you have recommended) . Really enjoy working with plants. Grateful for honest advice,from cuttings,growing and even your business advice
Your a good man Jason. Thank you and as always Thumbs up
Dean... Changed my user name
Merry Christmas to you and your family Dean - thanks for the support!
Thank you Fraser for this lesson I try it with anthurium leafs and it didn’t work. Love you for speaking the truth
My pleasure Donnett - thanks for the support!
Bless you
If the UA-cam content screeners and editors are smart, they will realize that people like your readers who are irritated by fake videos will begin to distrust everything they see on UA-cam, as I am starting to do. It is an insult to viewers that lies and trickery are allowed to persist; life and effort are too short to waste on fake science. Thanks for your genuine and unbiased interest in opening the eyes to those more naive gardeners like me: you deserve applause and recognition. Yours will be my go-to site for advice, henceforth. :)
Thanks so much. I'm with you on this - even if UA-cam doesn't want to break out the big guns (bans, vid removals) they could do a lot more to disincentivize the fakers - by throttling down recommendations or monetization. I don't love censorship, but Google/UA-cam is fully entitled to steer the scammy videos away for the credibility of the platform.
I am new to this. Thank you for saving me from wasted time and effort.
Jason, today it's snowing gently so I'm not in the lawns or gardens cutting things back or weeding w. my fish knife. Was an amazing January. For the past month I've had a few hundred 4 foot or shorter branches in many large wide mouth jugs & jars in every nook & corner or counter space where I could bend things beneath the upper cupboards. Each container has willow w. new leaves & long white roots, on which I have been practicing my bonsai wiring/shaping skills. Then I added into each jug somewhat shorter cuttings of: double white lilac, mock orange, 3 type of honeysuckle, quince, forsythia, 3 type of roses, deutzia, 2 type of Spirea, & from houseplants, bougainvillea, shrimp plant & hoya. I always put cin sticks into the containers & find that I do not have to change the water as much. Also put some small amount of spag moss that I collect & dry in summer frm my woods. These large heavy containers tucked amongst furniture to be near windows in my small house are not easy to empty & refresh, especially now tht so many other cuttings are leafing out. Some have such sharp thorns...quince, 3sisters rose being just 2. I FEEL that the cin sticks help keep the water clean & I just top it up for new oxygen as the many good sized cuttings use up water. As you know, willow works as rooting hormone so having that established in the containers 1st is my 'system'. I sometimes ladle out some of that water for my houseplants to encourage further root dev. in my wide deep pots & commercial hanging baskets. In the past, some cuttings have done well to root this way with only 1 willow with a dozen cuttings of other but now 6 or more larger willow branches R my test w. the various other bunches. Forsythia often did not do well in water for some reason but 200 knee high branches stuck in my garden callused & rooted just fine over one year. They did leaf out & bloom in water which was lovely in March indoors. (I planted a very long hedge years ago from cuttings just stuck into the ground at end of center lawn, from 2 bushes, the only originals to the property a dozen yrs ago & now have thousands of cuttings each Spring & late Fall or mild winter. Basically, when I can get to shortening the hedge with no leaves on so that I can see what I'm doing.)
I am so grateful you revealed this “tricks”. Dirty business.
It really is, and emphasis on the "business" part. If there were no profit, there'd be no fakes.
The videos where you cannot see the faces or hear the voices of the content creator are definitely a no no for me. Thank you for the effort of debunking these channels.
Thank you! Once we know we când avoid them ❤! Happy Holidays!
Thankyou for professional video. Opened up my eyes!!!
Hod Bless you & your integrity. Love your videos!!!
I think you should do more of these videos exposing those scumbags..I wasn't fooled by them but as you said many new to gardening for sure did. People need to learn not to click on these click bites..I never do because I know that would generate them more money and views. Keep inspiring young man. 👍👏
Thanks Sue
Thank you! I wasn't sure if these videos are fake until I saw one of these "roses from seeds" videos. Then it was clear!
Right - thank you! I'm still hearing from people who say that's real, but those things are just ridiculous looking. Not a seedling. Not a cutting. Just random plant parts attached together!
Thanks for Making this video, I keep posting this link on these fake Propagation videos to try to out them. Horrible they don't get removed.
The simple truth is that people like to be tricked, fooled, and otherwise fascinated. Most of us like a good magic show, slight of hand, and many other types of sensational possibilities.
Your comment to Joel about freedom of expression is really an important factor in this conversation.
The real question is:
Should something be done?
Or
Does something need to be done?
We go to movies and shows for the experience. The best shows do the impossible in a way that gives the impression it could actually happen.
Right now we are in the holiday season and the general message is Hope.
We want to see families reunited, every homeless person get a home, and good things to happen.
Human nature is a curious thing.
As many comments have mentioned and you yourself Jason, people will choose to believe what they want.
Most growers dismiss these videos much like all the false advertising. Yes, it is annoying and many times deceiving, but little can be done to change it because the UA-cam community rules allow it.
The effort you put into exposing these fakes is worthwhile for your channel and people looking the truth about growing roses and other plants. Just like all the other channels doing the same thing.
It is disappointing that content like this is out there, but life is full of disappointments and life goes on.
I will point out that most of these channels are in India, China, and very impoverished countries with enormous populations with billions of people, so getting a couple million views is not really much of an accomplishment.
These fake channels are actually some of the best advertising for good quality content.😉
Merry Christmas and Happy holidays to all!🎄🍾🍻🎊🎉🤙
Thanks and Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
Thank you for saving me the time I would have wasted with these.
No problem! Thanks for watching.
Thank you for daring to expose these fake videos, very useful! Thank you for your honesty and outspokenness! Good job!🧐🧐💕💕💙💙👍👍🌷🌷
Very glad you did this video, I think it helps a ton and sheds some very needed light on those clickbaitey fakes. The whole topic very much so reminds me of the fake and impossible seeds you can even to this day buy online. Flowers and Vegetables in impossible, crazy colors, sizes and forms, clearly photoshopped and in bad image resolution, yet many people fall for it. In that case it's even more destructive, since people are actively loosing their money to a scam behind big promises. Quite sad that such a nice, highly interesting and heartwarming hobby is also a breeding ground for evil intentions, but just as with anything. Nothing is sacred, especially not animal rescue it seems...
And very true, youtube removing dislikes really plays into scammers cards...
Greetings from Nepal
I salute your keen observation and effort to make a critique. it saved our time. It's high time to do something against those fellows who operates these channels.
Thanks!
Bravo👏👏👏, Love the video, I have watched few videos one of the chanels that you pointed out, I was amazed about how many subscribers they have, and the technique was totally impossible.
Thank you for making this video, hope their viewers will understand about their stricks.
I only just saw this snd was so disappointed about those fake videos, because I honestly thought they were for real. Feel really foolish. For someone who's been growing roses in my garden for over 30 years I feel really foolish to have been taken in by these people. Not nice people, very unkind and unscrupulous, in my opinion. Thank you for shedding light on their dishonesty.
There is a rare family rose brought to Tennessee in the 1830s, maybe from Kentucky but more likely from where the family came in Virginia in the 1810s, very similar to Cl. Cecile Brunner. It is the dickens to root, in August, in perlite, with a mist sprayer in full sunlight works somewhat, but an older technique that I have used is a LONG shoot, half hard or in February fully hard, 4 feet or more buried horizontally and with some 6 areas by nodes having the outer bark scaped away and rooting hormone applied, willow tea also works, and buried about 12 inches, here in zone 7. You may get more than 1 shoot come up and root. 1 is most common but 2 is also fairly common.
Channels debunking videos, like yours, are very helpful for novices like me who wish to verify a claim.
Again, you rock! These videos almost fooled me!
Thank you Jason. Again I applaud your honesty. 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄❄️💚🙃
The video of horizontal propagation you shown might be fake. But the horizontal rooting actually happened to my rose plant by accident.
Funny story is,
I actually wanted to plant some short chrysanthemum plants near the base of my rose bush and so cut few of its lower branches. Somehow one of the cut branches was buried in soil and a few weeks later i saw 3-4 rose shoots in between my chrysanthemum plants.😅
Thanks Ahlad - that sounds about right! Chrysanthemum is a wonderful "confidence builder" for propagation. Glad to hear about your success
Thanks, I fell for a few of those. The problem is that the some of the videos are such short clips one can’t really scrutinize them.
True - and it's always a bit of a leap to assume it's faked out I think
The reason these fakers can benefit is that they are using the mindset of a gardening beginner that ‘gardening or growing is somehow mysterious’, like, why am I doing the same thing but I failed? Why I follow the tutorials but the others succeeded? Why the same plant grows better in others’ home but not mine? ….
In stead if digging into the science and botanical common sense, many people turn into superstition or ‘alternative method’, and believe that miracle will happen in a short time.
I think that for every beginner, there needs to be a lesson on this mindset to be taken. Tell yourself that: Don’t be superstitious, don’t believe in miracles, science is science, if you failed, try to observe and eliminate other factors. That’s a normal learning curve. There is no shortcut in science, why would there be a shortcut in growing?
Thanks so much for your insight! And for the experienced gardeners, we also should learn to be patient and approachable with our knowledge.
Hi Jason, this is a great follow-up. While watching it, it triggered a thought in me. I've been doing my gardening channels now for three years and I've barely broken 500 subscribers and then you look at these channels with the fakery on them and you see they've only been going for six months yet have tens or hundreds of thousands of subscribers - and they're all in the Far East. So I'm wondering if there is also some regional "gaming" of the UA-cam system. This would work by everyone, or even by a few thousand people, in a country or region collaborating to generate thousands of accounts each, subscribe to the channels and run up watch time artificially. Then once they reach a critical mass, that is the social proof perceived by new viewers seeing the number of subscribers, then more people will be drawn in to subscribing, boosting those numbers further. The UA-cam algorithm then takes over and pushes out advertising to new viewers and thus revenue to these channels. So really, it's a mechanism to drive ad revenues from West to East.
Just to follow-up my point, at 1:50, you show SocialBlade's metrics for the channel Dian Garden Tips. Bottom left hand corner graph: subscribers. Look at that spike in subscribers: 320,000 subscribers! That is impossible with genuinely growing channels. That's the gaming of the system I'm talking about. UA-camr Spencer Cornelia on his channel exposes financial frauds and has this phrase about ramping up a fake digital currency and then exiting with all the money - called a "rug-pull". This is a similar kind of thing. Looking at the Dian channel's metrics closer, there appears to be a number of manipulations that took place in august 2022. From March to July 2022, they had no new subscribers. Then suddenly, in August, they were getting tens of thousands of subscribers a week. I know that if you make some videos private that knocks out your subscriber count, and that when you make those videos public again, those subscriber counts come back and produce a spike like this. I don't know if this has an effect on the UA-cam algorithm. However, in this case, it's definitely showing some social engineering taking place to game the platform. If that's the case, then that should be something of interest to UA-cam as it is manipulation of the platform and defrauds advertisers.
Thanks Prentis. I wouldn't rule anything out. I always assume that any system that's gameable for advantage will definitely be gamed. I'm just not sure how far the scammers have gone in the case. UA-cam's primary vulnerability that I've talked about so far is that the algorithm favors click-through-rate (CTR) above other metrics in its recommendations. This turns into a positive feedback loop - with recommendations turning into views, and view counts to some degree looking like "credibility" to the audience. With the thumbs up/thumbs down ratio out of the way now as a measure of credibility, and the channel fully in control of the comments section, there's little warning that the impossible thumbnail is in fact fakery.
I can't rule out that some unscrupulous creators are also using fake accounts to stoke up views and subscriptions to these channels. We all know how hard those first 1000 subscribers are. It can be tough to get engagement in the form of comments. But if there's a way to generate your first 1000+ subscribers, 25 comments per video, and artificially boost your click-through-rate for the first few hundred viewers (through a server farm, or whatever) it could potentially bootstrap a channel to reach more real people. I don't know what safeguards UA-cam has in place for this kind of thing - and I hope they're significant!
I actually found some cuttings today that absolutely have to be from an heirloom Rose that's at least 75 years old. I am currently sterilizing my rooting medium. Leave no chances 😂
To answer those wondering ~why~ people do this--If you come across a video that uses a computer voice narrator, instead of narrating it themselves, it is likely created by someone outside the US. People in different countries are trying to tap into the social media ad market. On every platform we use, accounts can become monetized, and start to earn revenue from views. This is because for every view they pull in, the app earns one more viewer for their clients running ads. Now these people in other countries have a means to earn money from social media that may not be available / popular where they're from. So again, why specifically make up lies about propagation of all things, even if this is your goal? Well, these guys have to not only compete with all the real content that's out there, but also with each other. They're all trying to come up with the next new viral craze video with the same short quick template. There's music, it's a series of fast slide shows, the only context is given through a computer generated narration that doesn't speak in an American cadence, etc. Because they're competing with each other they have spread into every niche on the internet, and unfortunately this is one that has a lot of viewers looking for new tactics they haven't seen.
TLDR: International scammers make fake content in every niche imaginable to try and garner views in order to earn ad revenue.
Thank you for doing this. I just watch one the other day. Think umm that would be cool. It was the 1st one you showed.
You bet - they're really making the rounds these days!
Another good point to add is that these kind of channels usually are just that, there's not a face behind it, you can't find them somewhere else. It's just that. And they usually ask for donations with a paypal link or something. So it really is money grabing, no other purpose behind it.
I knew it was too good to be true when I saw a few of the videos from those gardening channels.
The other problem, I suspect, is that it's difficult for UA-cam to maintain a moderation team with the expertise and sufficient headcount to accurately moderate all types of misleading information. If someone tries a method that you'd think would fail, cuts out some of the stuff they think viewers wouldn't be interested in, and gets a good result...it can be hard to tell if it's a fake video particularly if you're not experienced in the relevant area (example below). This is why I'm quite annoyed that UA-cam has decided to hide the dislike count - it was a great way to get a quick idea of whether a video was worth watching, given creators are able to delete critical replies.
(Example) I have a gardener friend who's a chemist, and they've decided to try modifying the Bordeaux mixture by adding citric acid to the blue solution (after straining out the remaining hydrated lime). Now in theory I would not expect this to work; a lot of copper fungicides/bactericides explicitly tell you not to mix their product with acids as the acid will make the copper way too soluble and it may end up hurting the plant. However, apparently citric acid is a chelating agent, so it locks onto the copper and only allows a small concentration of copper to be released at any given point; additionally citric acid is itself a fungicide/bactericide so it may also increase the effectiveness of the mix. In any case, their plants don't seem to be suffering from any copper-induced damage (chlorosis, dead spots etc), and they've remained disease-free for a while in our tropical environment - so I guess it works.
Prior to seeing this work in person, if I saw a video from a small channel telling me to add an acid to the Bordeaux mix, I would be highly skeptical (due to the acid increasing toxicity of copper theory). I can't imagine how a UA-cam employee would be able to determine that the video was real unless they had a high level of expertise in both horticulture as well as chemistry.
All those that I have seen, I click do not recoment and I report them, I hope if more people do it on these fake ones, they will notice them and take them down.
Thanks Jose. That's the way to do it! I think I've shot myself in the foot with the research I did for these videos, and now UA-cam thinks I'm in love with fake prop videos!
You tell em Jason 👏
Thanks Lynda
Only seed pod I have seen grow into a plant with the seeds still inside are eastern prickly pear seed pods, probably can do that with more cacti plants with the weird way the plants evolved
You bet. Also have a look for pictures of "vivipary' in tomatoes etc. pretty cool, but generally not a good survival strategy for plants.
@Fraser Valley Rose Farm yeah seen that. The prickly pear seed pod itself grew new pads but the seeds weren't dormant still inside
Were still*
The thing that baffles me is why on earth would an individual want to purposely present themselves as frauds with something like this that can't possibly work in the first place.
It wouldn't be a good long-term plan for a reputable channel. These fakes are getting millions of views (based on the novelty of the impossible methods) and that's generating tens of thousands of dollars in the short-term. It looks like they're okay to trade away their credibility for the clicks.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I wish them luck with that...
All we can do is share this information and report those fake videos.
Northing else is in our hand.
Others below have commented about the idea of "gardening as a form of magic", wrapped around with gardeners' myth, folklore and magical thinking. I think it's dangerous and true that the whole field is shot through with woo. On one gardening forum I admin, I suggested that gardening, at its most basic, is a matter of science - a beautiful fusion of physics, chemistry and biology - botany, zoology, entomology, soil analysis etc. The backlash, from experienced gardeners, amazed me. "No", they said, "I was born with Green Thumbs". "Not just anyone can garden, you have to have the right genes". It was as if some people thought they had special eyes that only certain people had in order to work well with plants. I hear this all the time from friends and neighbours - "I just can't grow cuttings", "I kill all the plants I try to grow, so there is no point in trying". "Not just any old person can grow plants". I get upset when I hear this nonense. It's just learning, patience, experiment and having support. There is no magic in it. The fact that fake videos are exploiting this woo is infuriating. UA-cam should have been non-monetised and non-profit from day one.
Thanks Firefly. It's always a tough balance, but I do think Google/UA-cam would be well-advised to protect the reputations of their platform. Maybe not with the iron fist of content bans, but with a gentle nudge from the algorithm so that more views are directed to authentic channels. Views on fake & sensational content may be "easy clicks" but this kind of channel doesn't care at all about the truth, success of the viewer, their own reputation or their relationship with the community. Or at least they're will to trade it away for fast money. I heard (a long time ago) that one component of UA-cam's recommendations was a measure of reputation called "channel authority" - but judging by the success of these videos, it seems they're giving far more weight to click-through-rate.
To your point, I don't *really* expect that Google will act from some sense of duty or community responsibility to promote truthful or helpful creators. Many viewers are, as you note, a little prone to magical thinking - and Google doesn't have a mandate to fix that. But they can consider the financial benefits of more trust in the platform, better relationships between viewers & channels.
Grazie, non ho nessuna esperienza con le rose e quei video mi stavano affascinando! Non li aprirò mai più. 😊
È stato un piacere. Grazie per la visione!
Thank you. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all.
Thanks Zach. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well
Fools are ubiquitous, you can’t save the world from gullible idiots and their scammers, but thanks for your efforts to perpetuate the truth🤗
I've propagated roses for years by seeds, cuttings and grafting. I have never seen such uniform and perfectly shaped calluses, ever. I'm retired and have some time to burn so I'm going to try a couple of these methods. I'm honestly not expecting positive results, but it should be a fun video to make.
You bet - satisfy the curiosity!
Moved to lower mainland from south eastern On. Really glad I’ve discovered your channel. Just moved into a rental 60 year old home. It has numerous old roses planted. My question is how to correct legginess on a 45-50 year old peace rose.
The short answer is: bravery! If the plant is otherwise healthy, it'll recover well from bold lower cuts, but this can be scary because the old wood doesn't show dormant buds, and so the cut can appear quite final. If you don't have the stomach for such low pruning, you can work to stage it back over a number of seasons for similar results.
I find it really annoying to see these videos and to think that people genuinely believe that they will have success in growing.
On that note I also get really annoyed when people on ebay, etsy etc are selling seeds for plants that will never grow from seed.
I was recently looking for crazytunia and sweetunia plug plants when I found someone that was advertising /selling crazytunia seeds. They don't actually produce a seed at all and they were priced at nearly £10 for 150 seeds. It would be great if you could do a video on this type of scam to let people know. Keep uploading the videos they're fab x
Thanks.
These fake videos make me so upset. They have millions of views and for what, for misleading people? And all the comments of people thanking them and giving them praise.
Common sense has seriously left planet earth.
Thank you for your explanations. You saved me a lot of time. Yes, some videos looked suspicious but since I’m not an expert I was willing to try some. You got one more subscriber. 😊. Cheers from Angola ✌️.
excellent videos with superior tips - thank you so much!
Thank you for sharing the truth.
im growing tradescantias and they will root happily horizontally, but theyre naturally creeping plants that root like nothing, roses are a totally different beast 😂
thanks for the video
Hi Jason wow I am sorry to say I am one of the people who believed what I was seeing was really real. 🤨 Thank you so much for making your video to educate all of us on what to watch out for , I really appreciate you !
The problem is: why we need to make debunking videos about plant propagation and we don't need debunking videos, for example, about making an origami or cooking a specifical recipe? Because people will try and fail constantly, recognizing the problem faster than the sharing process of the videos. By the way, if you make fake videos about customizing cars or doing magic tricks, they will probably be shared faster, cause those are entertaing things to watch and the making process is sometimes difficult to understand for regular people. While i'm thinking about this, i remember that fake magic tricks videos was actually made and they went on television world wide. A magivian friend of mine told me that they ruin the actual job 🙁
Thanks Daniele!
Ann Reardon from How to Cook that does debunking videos (mostly food related) but she always speaks of content farms and she said that every interaction with these videos promotes it. Whether that’s a dislike on their video or a negative comment. The fact that people are interacting with the video is a clue to UA-cam to recommend it to more people. So she suggests doing nothing after seeing these fake videos. Don’t dislike, done comment, just report it and move on. We feed into it if we interact and give UA-cam a reason to recommend it to more people
Thanks Athiya. That sounds reasonable. It's the audience engagement that causes these vids to show up higher in recommendations - so the quicker you can identify for yourself a fake video (or better yet, a channel that produces them) and click "do not recommend", the less incentive you offer he fakers.
Highly appreciate your work!
It was an absurd video showing a banana (yes an actual banana) take root and growing a shoot that got me here.
Lol. Those roots-from-fruit vids would be hilarious if I didn't think someone was being misled by them
I hope in the future UA-cam would block those post fake things
Thank you for your time in clarifying our confusion over the magical videos. But I do not think there is any way to know that someone is fake without giving them a click on their fake video (and thus adding to their $$).
You don't have to disprove them, it is their responsibility to prove that it works. Which they can't.
So glad someone made this vid, thanks
It is a shame that is has become acceptable to lie and that there is no accountability for doing so.
수년간 장미를 키워오면서도 그 영상에 속아서 하마터면 시도해볼뻔 했어요. 😂
Jason님이 지난 영상에서 가짜라는걸 알게해 주셔서 다행입니다.
오늘도 잘 보았어요.
전부 다 알아들을수는 없지만,분명 도움이 되는 영상 늘 감사합니다.
즐거운 성탄절 보내세요~^^
정말 감사합니다. 그리고 당신과 당신의 가족들도 메리 크리스마스입니다.
Danke für deine Videos, und tolle Arbeit.
Buscando videos para programar rosas, encontré su canal.
Le agradezco muchísimo este video de desacreditación porque, como principiante que soy, creí y guardé alguno de ellos.
Gracias por el tiempo que le ha dedicado a este tema tan importante.
Nuevamente muchas gracias y felicitaciones por su canal. Soy su nuevo suscriptor.
Saludos cordiales desde La Plata, Argentina 🇦🇷
Gracias - muy bueno conocerte
Thanks for exposing the snake oil punters
I was even fooled, was trying today one of them. Hopefully I saw your video ❤
One good thing about the fakes is they ended up bringing you new subs!
Silver lining!
It is now a trend in Vietnam to make fake videos like this to get views, and eventually money. They even sale bonsais with glued flowers and fruits .
I’m a master Gardener I never know that kind of Technique, never study never tried.