they should remove that, make the shield bigger when it has hp and then make it where after it runs out of hp he can still use it at its physical size to block some damage from himself.
I don't, there's no way to drop the ult so you'd basically be setting yourself up to be killed every time you ult. I think they should just give the ult less health.
@@zanedurante3709 Are you comparing scarlet ult to hela ult? News flash, scarlet has to risk her life for 1big explosion. Hela instantly gets a second health bar with no risk to her main health, XRAY VISION for some reason and lots of splash damage.
didn't know it gets canceled if teammates attack... in a game where you're shooting 99% of the time, that sounds like fucking ass having an ability that'll just insta get canceled with an already tight window to try n save the team.
This omg! I play cloak and dagger so much, I thought I was horrible at timing until I reread the skills. It was my team mates canceling the cloaking on themselves cause their busy fighting for their lives ugh. Such a strange mechanic
Venom is pretty bad tbh Sty definitely in the higher ranks at least, he just gets stunned out of his E ability and dies. Wolverine is also one of the best dps in the game at higher levels due to his tank shredding ability, as soon as he kidnaps a tank they blow up
@@cantu7214 You're projecting, I'm stating that in a rank that is higher then 98% of players venom isn't very good against the heros he's intended to take down. I gotta assume you're hardstuck plat or something xD
@@devlintaylor9520 im 100% sure that u arent even in diamond yet. im at grandmaster now and i can tell u that hulk is one of the best tanks in the game rn, up there w strange and magneto. his ban rate is INSANE. he has a teamwide bubble making ur team immune for 2 seconds, he has so much mobility w no cooldown, he has a 3 second stun, he is the anchor for the best teamup in the game, many Top 500 players play him, etc etc. in conclusion, ur opinion is invalid cuz i know u arent even diamond yet. u play in lobbies where ppl dont know how to use him
@devlintaylor9520 the bubble is waaaay better than health because it can block any amount of damage while it last and you can defend from ultimates as well unlike just raw hp
They will probably buff Clock and Daggers run speed. They are one of the slowest characters in the game and the slowest support. If you die it takes forever to get back to your team.
While you might think C&D is fine at the moment, we must not forget they have a 15% heal bonus as a seasonal buff and it's going to be taken away. Dagger's primary fire barely heals any even with the buff, now think about what it's gonna be like without the buff. And i'm only talking about her primary fire, obviously she can heal a lot more with her abilities.
C&D is a weird case because yeah, her primary fire barely heals and I think most people just spam it until her cooldowns are up but most people rely on her healing wall and dome for the majority of her gameplay. Cloak is fine, imo. If anything buff the healing on Dagger's primary fire and maybe increase the CD length on her healing dome by 2 or 3 seconds.
Because you’re not supposed to just stand there like a bot and shoot her fire. You’re supposed to shoot and use your abilities strategically and the ones that do that the best are the best with them. That’s how every single character is supposed to work lol.
@@austinbigelow1523 Yeah, C&D do have a nice flow in their mechanics and I do like that Dagger doesn't miss a beat when reloading. They're honestly the most fluid hero imo.
honestly keep luna and mantis as is but reduce the duration of luna's ultimate by at minimum 3 seconds, with the way it currently is if you don't have an ult of your own to counter you'll get ran through
@@Chancetstcab44her ultimate charge time does not need reduced lol. It’s the only thing in the game that counters psylockes ult really well and psylocke if she’s good even if I’m playing perfect will get her ult first usually or at the same time. Her ult charge time does not need reduced lol.
@ she has ult every single fight. she absolutely should have it nerfed. you should have to get good and manage her ult usage rather than just having it every fight with no skill gap
@@Chancetstcab44 she does not have it every single fight lol. You absolutely have to be skilled and strategic when you use it you can’t just use it whenever and you’re a bad player if you think that. Every single game there’s a psylocke in ranked I have to save my ult for when she uses hers or she kills 3-4 of my teammates every single time in 1.5 seconds. I literally cannot use it on another player at all. Doesn’t matter if they ult because psylocke is guaranteed 3-4 kills with hers and not everyone has an ult that good. So you are completely wrong lol.
What Cloak and Dagger are lacking is MOBILITY. Luna has her ice skating, Mantis is faster when she's not taking dam, Jeff is faster when diving, Loki has clone swapping, etc. C&D has one speed... SLOOOOOOOW. I'd say make it so that only when switched to Cloak, they get the same kind of speed boost that Luna has. After like a second Cloak glides faster and has a higher jump for better positioning. That's it. 👍
100% this my main issue with her. If you die with C&D better say GGs cuz your whole team is gonna be dead by the time you're able to come back into the fight. I also think switching between forms could be buffed to be a bit faster.
Wolverine buff? Playing tank into him is actually horrendous, you are almost guaranteed dead, and barely any tanks can counter him. I am forced to play magneto and just hope their Wolverine isn't good.
Wolverine is not good. All you have to do is stun him and your team should look at him and instantly kill him. Sounds like you’re playing in low skilled lobbies.
I found the key to playing storm. You are a guardian. You hang out with your healers specifically to protect them until you get your playmaking ult. I can't tell you how many spidermen Ive fried without even landing a single shot lol. Plus as a flyer sometimes its tough to get your healers to look at you.....but not if you're protecting them all match. They love that.
@@DarukaEon yeah, shes way too slow even with her speed boost. HOWEVER she draws aggor and you can take heat off your supports by "taunting" with flight
@@GodWorksOut I never found that to be anything more than a bigger risk than is necessary. You can rack up enough damage protecting your back line to build an ult e-z peasy
That’s what I was telling my friends. She’s like namor. You stay back and you use your E if someone pushes and they either get out or you and the supports fry them & then your ult fries their supports or their DPS
For Storm, I don't see why her right click is only thunder; there should be a wind-form variant, maybe she does a corkscrew dive with windforce knockback
Bro i never thought of that XD have the right click change with the the shift lol OR have the wind form be like a shot gun wind blast making her back up and knocking back anybody she hits increasing her move speed for a bit :p that would be cool. of course idk how maybe people would use it since the long cd most people might just use for dmg
Ive mained Storm all season, currently lord with her. Her kit and concept is super good but all they need to do is buff her damage with her primary weapon and buff the damage on her team up ability. I think a movement buff would be nice but if you play her like a back line dps then she is super super good for protecting people on objective. Exciting to see a buff too her!
See i love storm i think she's great if used right and don't think she needs to much but a change to her primary fire is needed i would be fine with a damage but if they aren't gonna do that make her wind blades infinite it doesn't make any sense that she reloads wind i think she would be perfect if she didn't have to reload
Speaking of Storm, I didn't know this till I tried it out, her primary fire wind blade will go through enemy's when she's a ground level. I see to many Storms in the air
A flyer character that is incentivised not to fly is a dissonance of character design. Most of storms kit works well close to the ground. Her flight is like an afterthought.
Yeah. Her primary fire rails. It's what I've noticed since I picked her up is that the flying ability is a little bit of a red herring. You have to play her mostly grounded and I personally think she's well-suited in the backline as a support. Then, ends of narrow hallways, corners, and chokes are a great place to post up. Then, use her ult to sandwich enemies between you and your team.
She's great when the enemy team or your team are grouped up. She does really good damage when they are grouped (but not a lot of kills). She falls off fast when they start splitting and her damage is low in 1v1s unless she has all abilities online. She can't play close because she has no escape. If they buff her damage too much, she'll be pretty oppressive with how her shots pierce. They should either reduce her cooldowns, give her more abilities (debuffs and damage), and/or give her some burst movement.
@@adeeshadeegala5900yeah as someone who plays storm i am of the belief that she should have some flight movement ability. even if they don’t give her a whole new ability her wind speed should just be faster.
Patch Notes will be a true test of the devs behind the game. Here's hoping that they actually make changes lol. Maybe I'm still having ptsd from Overwatch 1 making 4 changes every 6 months.
@@DarukaEon It's also funny because I've been playing Path of Exile for 10 years and every patch has had as much documentation as the NASA space shuttle probably did. Meanwhile in Overwatch-land it was a completely blank void of notable changes. I get that they are very different games but man, the difference between those two games' patch notes was always something I joked about with my friends.
Do note for some of the changes here: Venom has a 45% winrate (lowest for vanguards) and C&D has a 42% winrate (notably the lowest among the strategists). Although they are considered good in tier lists, their stats actually position them as being rather weak. The same also applies to a character like Winter Soldier who has a 44.65% winrate, and may also get buffed randomly at some point.
Winter Soldier is a point for himself. He is maybe played by some not most but he is strong but ppl just have terrible, terrible aim. So thats why he has lower winrate.
So exited for the cap buff. I’ve been climbing as him even without high elims by shutting down Hellas and healers in the back line. maybe getting a kill, and always escaping
Another thing, I wish there's a way to change the color of teammate's abilities. I cannot tell you how sensory-overload it is to see two Peni Parkers drop their mine deployer, their webs, and ult at the same time, that it's hard to tell which one is ours and which one is theirs. The other thing is Dr. Strange portals, buuuuuuuut I think that's the fun of it. I think Thor's thunder sphere thing as well. I don't think we could tell the difference between friend's or foe's.
You can pretty easily tell enemy abilities because they appear more red. E.g. strange portal has a yellow ring while enemy strange portal has a redder ring
I'm a gm2 wolverine main. The only buffs I could see without breaking the character is a movment speed buff at full rage. Any damage increases will make him a assasin instead of a tank buster.
How about making his ult connect better? I can’t tell you how many times I use his ult and they get launched up by the first part and then the second part just doesn’t connect.
Captain America and Magneto are the ONLY Vanguards to counter Wolverine! Caps shield and Magneto bubble can block all melee attacks. You still gotta land your hits in between blocks but it’s the only way to stand a chance at surviving a Wolverine dive as Vanguard.
@ Hulk is the only person I forgot to mention ( I don’t really play him much but will put in the time soon ) I main Thor and it is not as easy as just having a tank with a shield to block the burst of DMG, which is why I didn’t recommend Thor here, definitely possible but you gotta know how to play Thor under pressure ( the rest of the picks with shields just have to worry about less )
I feel like if Venom is gonna be buffed with anything, it may be making his primary fire bigger since, in my opinion, his damage and survivability are good as is. It is just more difficult to land his primary fire than most characters.
I have no idea how they decided the health pools in this game. Makes no sense how luna snow and mantis have 275 health when theyre the best supports and logically it doesnt make sense when theyre not really durable people while adam warlock whos basically a demigod has 250. Hela having 275 is also weird when she has one of the best escape tools out of all the duelists.
Venom's movement is so clunky compared to the grapple from Wrecking Ball. One leak I saw sounded like it was suggesting they were improving his movement. I'm hopeful this is part of the buff.
Would be cool if they reduce the grapple Cooldown. She he can be a better backline invader. you get to hard focused "bursted" before your cooldown is up.
yeah its so weird that he cant. he shoots tendrils out of his back why not let him do that while his hands are busy climbing. that seems like a no-brainer
Would be a little busted tbh, you could have 6 people shooting at you and deflect all the damage at a single target lol. It's healthier that it's random.
It’s crazy how strange has better abilities, stronger attacks, more range, and a better freaking shield than captain America, that can block your entire team. Like I love playing cap but he’s in serious need of a buff he’s so weak compared to the other vanguards
Venom compared to other heros for what they can do to turn the tide of battle is minimal. 15 m tentacle range, a dive attack that barely hurts, tendrils that dont do enough damage, and an ult that only does 50 percent health plus 40 damage. Sure he can sponge damage, but that four burst tentacle hit just cant melt anyone when they get a sneeze of healing.
I think with Cap, they can have a offset with his strikes, Punching with just the fist is 40 and a punch with the shield is 45 That little buff can actually be good where it’s good but doesn’t over power.
I think having to hit the enemy twice with ur fight in order to throw the shield is goofiest part of his kit. I’d do what u said like giving him a damage buff or straight up let me throw the shield
@ YES I love that balance of having to hit twice to get the 4 throws. It makes you play close and you can get rewarded for playing close. Then you have the 4 shots needed to back out. A lot of people don’t know how to play Cap. Like a lot of people don’t even know that he can sprint with his shield. And if you sprint with his shield while in Ult, you can knock players back. I think just a simple cool down reduction on his shield throw after you land a couple hits is a good buff. Shield is a good size to me. The fact that it can deflect things is where the skill comes into play.
@@Weightsss cap main, Agree 100%. People dont realise his deflect is a great damage ability. He's so slept on. only clunky part is the long cd on shield raise
@ I feel the same way. He’s meant to be played as a poke Van. You dive in hit some punches if you’re not taking as much damage build your shield throws, use your E. After taking too much damage, F to dash out, or sprint with your shield and work corners. I deflected a Luna Ice ball and stopped a Punisher ult. Love the character designs of everyone in this game.
I think the best nerf for Hela would be switching her from hitscan to projectile and Hawkeye needs a longer charge up and smaller projectile size. The more I play with Cap the more I realize they need to be careful with his buff. He’s already hard to kill.
Captain America with Thor teamup is actually pretty amazing. He basically becomes a dive duelist for 6s. Its one of the most dramatic teamups in the game how it basically enables a completely new phase for him.
i dunno wolverine feels fine. in terms of gameplay wolverine doesnt have a lot of risk, he's an opportunist. storm is supposed to be played in the team so you can fully utilize her penetrating shots and lightning passive. i think they are trying to emphasize her Gold Leader status as a support leader, but its kind of meh when you have punisher and starlord running off to die in the corners of the map and the literal Goddess of Storms is hitting people with puffs of air.
I don't think they should increase the size of the shield for cap. He gets full movement speed while running you down with it. Haha I do think he needs buffs either in his damage, cds or both though. Venom's cds are just way too long. Like his swing being on an 8sec cd is pretty awful for a tank that wants to bully the backline. You go in then sometimes you just cant get out because its a second or two too long and then his right click taking 4sec to go off is also pretty bad. You almost never hit more than one person with it.
Buffing Cap's damage could be really dangerous. The thing he does well currently is getting to priority targets immediately from anywhere. It could snowball fights quickly if he had more solo kill potential.
For Storm, I think there's always only so much you can do. I think her base damage needs to be increased to 55 AND her fall off needs to be extended by 15m on both her minimum and maximum ranges. Storm having fall off is nearly outrageous, but i respect the design philosophy where it seems they want her to brawl rather than poke from range. This is fine but the fall off punishment is far too severe currently. Additionally I think it's actually her base movement speed that needs to be increased. In a sense it might be more fair to only improve her personal wind mode buff... but i think that it would be more beneficial to allow her to move better in lightning mode especially when aiming at mid to long range as well as evading shots or switching cover. That being said i dont think she needs more than that but theres other options.
I think her rate of fire is fine. Nerfing base damage might be enough. She either stays a ranged hero or a tanky DPS up close. Thing is, if she's balanced like McCree/Cassidy from OW, she is just another Winter Soldier with a different ultimate.
@heavyhauler426 I think the slower rate of fire + longer reload would be my top changes I'd like to see. It will remove her ability to spam spam spam. Personally I wouldn't compare WS to Cass too much (i haven't played lots of WS tbh) but aside from having the gun, I'd say Hela is much closer in play style to Cass.
Having just gotten good with storm, this is great news for me 😅. She is rather slow, but people shouldn't be flying with her. She loses her area of effect with her abilities as it's a sphere around her. So the higher you go, the less area you cover, making your abilities target fewer people and be less effective.
ive been playing storm on and off in gm1-eternity. she needs literally just 10 more dmg max on her primary or she’s going to be oppressive. Minecraft creative mode movement with /weather thunder is nutty
Storm ult is trash. Needs to be increased by 2 more seconds. She needs a lot more speed. She should he moved to strategist. Produce a AoE of healing rain on a 4 second cooldown instead of that weak thunderbolt on a 8 second cooldown. Or give her thunderbolt a secondary affect of dmg over time. Like 40 initial dmg plus another 40 over 3 seconds.
Have to be careful with Cap buffs. His ability to jump into the backline and 1v1/1v3/1v6 any non-tank allows him to do a very good job disrupting. I like how he plays currently, and don't want to see him become the new server admin because he can just burn down anything. Venom is in the same boat. With Hela and Hawkeye being nerfed these two dive tanks would not be kept in check by burst damage.
C&D have 4 opportunities in light of losing the 15% healing team up buff. 1> Improve her direct heal from daggers, right now a lot of her healing relies on the splash heal of her daggers and that can be SUPER challenging when a team either a> doesn't understand how her heals work or b> refuse to group up. I think increasing her direct heal by just a smidge would be a terrific buff. I wouldn't prefer that if it came with a nerf to the splash heal amount because that's critical to her own defensive survival, but I think just a two point boost to her direct daggers would go a long way. 2> Her swap from D to C is sluggish. The animation takes too long...this matters for point... 3> Cloak's disappear is VERY short, and the shooting/reloading cancel for other characters is nearly impossible to time properly. It's also too short to really disengage or escape a dive character like Panther, Fist, or Wolverine. It's main use is for either vertical movement, or super timing to survive an enemy ult...which is problematic and difficult to do given #2. I think they could fix both 2 and 3 by just allowing skills of the other character to be able to go off literally DURING the swap time, basically rendering the swap time to functionally zero even though the animation persists. 4> Lastly she's just slow to run with no real boost to movement. Another solution to Cloaks disappear would be to include a speed boost while it's active. Or just up her dagger speed a tick. She's almost always the last to the fight as the whole team dashes in and leaves her to watch her team die before she can even throw her first dagger. Some maps there's not even that chance. Yeah, this is a problem of other players pushing in too fast, but it's also something that would be cool to just fix on her end. She doesn't need to be fast at all, especially being able to ricochet her daggers but just a teensy bit faster would make her a lot more playable.
Honestly I want them to buff Rocket’s Armor pack. It’s feels like no uses his armor packs at all and it’s mostly there just to revive a player. I mean blue packs at least give players a super jump but orange packs just a tiny bit of armor. I’m hoping they add more colors packs like red for damage boosts or green for speed boosts so it can at least be more useful than revive station.
Not sure how they can accurately judge balancing when they have seasonal buffs and teamups which both affect a character’s performance. I think an easy buff for cloak and dagger would be to make their character swap quicker. I play a lot of them and it’s annoying when an enemy jumps you as dagger and you have to hope you survive for half a second while swapping to cloak, then you can wraith away. If it was snappier that would be good.
I think Hela and Storm should almost swap auto attack. Lighting makes way more sense as a long range hit scan sniper. Hela will always be valued if she has an easy stun with ult denying potenial
I am fairly positive that it’s going to be eternal night or something vampire/Dracula theme because the photo marvel rivals has posted themselves of the fantastic 4 team has bats in the background.
Storms primary goes through people though so buffing it could make her damage output insane. She's supposed to be played lower with the team while shooting through tanks at the enemy team.
I saw pros saying that Luna+Loki, Luna+Mantis, Mantis+Adam+Starlord are all much better comps than anything with C&D and makes sense. They also said that are some insane and unkillable Jeffs out there.
For Cloak & Dagger, the most reasonable thing I can imagine is tweaks to Cloak's Dark Teleportation, perhaps making it so that allies can't remove it (presumably settling for allowing allies to still act while phased). I still land allied saves against ults decently often, but the timing for that is a little more precise than maybe it should be. I wouldn't mind a little more speed, but that's unneeded.
I agree Storm needs more speed, and I think her primary should be more of an arc that spreads out with distance but maybe has some dmg falloff to compensate, so you could provide more consistent cleave dmg against a group from range
Sty they probably had most of this already nearly done before the season 0 - this is probably the target for launch content. This may not be at all indicative of their usual content cadence.
honestly, cap needs his E to fully charge his range shots when it connects, i feel like that just makes sense, would fluidly flow into his kit, and be a SIGNIFICANT buff to him. wolverine buffs are crazy, but they probably considered this around when him being bad was gaslit to the community before understanding his kit, i doubt his PERCENTAGES will be buffed, so i think it won't be THAT bad. its also entirely possible its compensation for his slash speed about to be nerfed due to the fps glitch. the two best supports not being nerfed, and third best being buffed? thats kind of insane. i guess luna could be losing her rapid stance change glitch, so thats i guess a hefty nerf, but still, they aren't even buffing the lacking supports to be better, instead buffing THIRD best...this is not a good sign for balance moving forward. but at least they see the BIG issues with duelists and vanguards.
CnD needs a buff for how quick skills activate after swapping to Cloak. Note that CnD has the second lowest win rate in the game, so objectively needs a buff.
It's weird to me that Wolverine is considered bad, I have like a 90% win rate on him even though I usually do 300% more damage on Punisher. It's like he may not pad the meters, but I secure a ton of kills and farm tanks.
Bit of a stretch to say C&D is fine. Their ult isn't good, switching takes too long, lack of movement to get back to the fight and high elo you're not really using Cloak since Dagger gonna be the main one you're gonna be using since she will be a heal bot when Luna and Mantis gets banned. I think she just needs a tweak on one of the three and it will help out.
Didn't they tweet there will never be nerfs? just the seasonal team ups removed or changed seasonally. Captain America is also incredible, he's tanky, he's great for pushes with his ult, he can reflect any projectile even ultimates, and he can jump to the back line and wreak havoc. The cd on his shield should be removed but other than that he's solid, dr strange doesn't have a cd so it's just weird as caps shield blocks less dmg and has a cd, especially when he needs it to reflect ultimates in the clutch.
Cloak & Dagger I can understand some buffs, they are my main played strategist and I only have 2 complaints (which are from a low tier player). The healing at times can be a struggle due to how low the primary is. I know in critical situations its meant to combo with other abilities but often that isn’t available and teammates just die losing the seasonal healing buff likely makes this worse. The other is when switching to cloak and then using the shroud thing there is sometimes a delay, this could just be me or maybe one of the frame rate things but I have had more than a few times switched to cloak, hit the ability button and then died and see the ability never activated. The other nerf/buffs mentioned seem fair depending on how its done.
They need to balance around Hela's primary fire if they want to maintain Hela's playstyle. Otherwise, she becomes either underpowered or a tanky DPS with low damage output.
Aside with the major offenders (Hawkeye, Hela, and cap), I think buffs and nerfs are unnecessary. The game still hasn’t flushed out yet. Even the top players are learning and understanding new combos, teqs, team comps, and map knowledge. There’s no point in fine tuning these guys as their “place in the meta” will constantly shift for at least another 3-6 months.
The nerf with hela will most likely be her range. Since she is losing her 20% seasonal damage boost, im sure they don't want to tweak her power too too much right now. The main issue is she can snipe you better than sniper characters. Widow is a 2 shot, Hela is a 2 shot. At least make one of these characters a mid to close range hero and sadly.... That's Widow right now.
Storm needs a complete overhaul if shes going to be a true DUELIST because right now she is designed around her auras and have 1 less cooldown than all other duelists because of her auras. Both of her goddess boosts need to be on separate cooldowns. Get rid of her auras if need be, because its super lame to give her the ability to FLY and then design her around auras that require her to be within 15m SPHERE of her allies...
I think buffing Venom and CnD makes sense when you consider they are already receiving 150 bonus stats and a 15% healing bonus, yet they still aren't considered top-tier picks. Despite these buffs, heroes like Strange, Mag, and Groot are consistently picked over Venom and tend to outperform him across the board. Similarly, Hulk also outperforms Venom while fulfilling a similar role, and arguably offers a stronger synergy with Strange/Iron compared to Venom's pairing with Spider/Penni. CnD, while good, requires significantly more skill and precise timing to achieve the same level of performance as heroes like Mantis or Luna, who currently achieve comparable results with less effort, even with the 15% healing buff. Now, imagine the balance shifting in the opposite direction - if Venom and CnD were nerfed, while Luna, Mantis, Strange, and Hulk stayed the same. Would CnD still be viable? Would Venom? I can confidently say no. Take Venom’s Web Sling as an example: if you’re using that ability to engage into a ground pound at a 650 health pool, he’ll be 100% dead before he can get another web off. The risk/reward trade-off simply wouldn’t be there anymore.
Food for thought - these Season Synergies might be an intentional attempt to shake up the meta, encouraging specific picks and bans to create more varied gameplay. If a champion is barely being picked and isn’t overperforming, it could be a strong indicator that they’re under-tuned. That said, I think Hawkeye and Hela both face a similar issue right now. Neither of them really loses close or mid-range matchups. A skilled Hela or Hawkeye can easily two-tap heroes like Starlord, Punisher, Winter Soldier, or Psylocke - all of whom should be counters at close range but end up being outclassed instead. These heroes that are supposed to close the gap and punish them can’t do much when they’re deleted in one or two hits. On top of that, both Hawkeye and Hela have built-in “get out of jail free” mechanics, whether through invulnerability frames, stuns, or escape tools like double jumps and mobility abilities. It makes them difficult to punish, even when they should be at a disadvantage. For god sakes, hawkeye has a bullet deflect, Imagine playing punisher and watching your bullets get deflected into a headshot.. I can cause it happened and it was huge ....... What the heck moment.
A proper nerf for both Hela and Hawkeye would be to make their damage scale with range - rewarding long-range shots while reducing their effectiveness at close range. This change would reinforce their intended playstyle as snipers, without them being overly oppressive and able to one- or two-shot dive/poke champions. Hela, for example, should have to commit 4 to 5 shots to secure a kill at close range, while Hawkeye should need at least 2 to 3 fully charged Power Shots. This adjustment would give heroes like Black Panther, Spider-Man, Psylocke, and others a fair chance to engage and punish them in close-quarters combat. Alternatively, their health pools should be adjusted. It feels unbalanced that long-range champions like Hela and Hawkeye have the same health pool as close/mid-range bruisers like Punisher or Winter Soldier. A health pool around 200 would make more sense for these ranged champions, given their ability to safely deal damage from a distance. Having both high damage and high survivability just seems excessive for their intended roles.
What is stylosa on? Wolverine is extremely good, doesnt need buffs at all, Venom is ridiculously bad lmao how is wolverine bad and venom one of the best tanks r u crazy
I'll save you some time, this is all the tweet said so no actual info on what they're nerfing just who. "Leaked Dates for upcoming skins maps buffs and nerfs Jan 6 7pm pst: Season 1 Trailer Jan 7 3am pst: Dev Blog Buff: Venom, Captain America, Wolverine, Storm, C&D Nerf: Hela, Hawkeye Jan 7th 6am: Mr Fantastic PV Jan 7th 7:30 am: Mr Fantastic Skin Jan 7th 7pm: Invisible Woman PV Jan 7th 10pm: Invisible Woman Skin Jan 8 1-3pm: New Hero Reveal Stream Jan 8 3am: Content Creator early access server launch Jan 8 7pm: Map Reveal 1 saw a tiktok talk about this and had a friend send it to me so it looks real"
Storm is supposed to be played at ground level because her damage left click pierces through enemies and hits all the enemies behind. That’s not very useful from above. Of course she can fly up and away when being hunted. Also the human torch together with her their team up will give her some insane fire tornadoes. I think they are waiting for that
Only thing i could think of for Cloak and Dagger is the dark teleportarion can be kinda iffy to land on allies. Like any action besides moving or jumpimg breaks its instantly and somtimes you dont even notice you have it and its gone. So maybe a buff to that?
I think hela and every other character who has a seasonal bonus will keep their seasonal bonus so long as their teamup stays in the game. Team ups are changing each season, and the “anchors” get the boost. If they’re not an anchor anymore, I don’t think they’ll have the buff anymore either. But if hela’s teamup is still in the game, she will still have her boost.
as a storm player I don't need storm buff. I need the team to group together, HAVE GOOD AIM and actually use the Lightning 12% buff to shred the enemy team. I've gone 30+ kills in a good group.
For cloak and dagger, the only thing I can see them buffing is their base movement speed. Everything else is great. They feel painfully slow. Idk if all characters share base movement speed or not, but cloak and dagger feel really, really slow.
Personally I don’t think any of these heroes need to be buffed or nerfed because that’s what makes the game so good. Different character being used to combat a character provides a variation to the game and hence making it more enjoyable. Plus, it allows for people to use different characters rather having a “meta” per se.
Very simple fix no one is talking about. Decrease rate of fire for Hela and Hawk. decreases spam. Maybe introduce arrow drop to hawk which I'm fine with cz I still main 💯
My thing with Cap is that CD on his shield. Having to wait to bring up his shield again is just weird.
I hate that so much. Like…whats stopping him from picking it up. I totally get while its recharging right, but simply dropping it…its so annoying
Agreed, maybe they could make it so the reflect has a CD but blocking is free as long as your shield has health
The reflect is huge though
they should remove that, make the shield bigger when it has hp and then make it where after it runs out of hp he can still use it at its physical size to block some damage from himself.
Also, it's Vibranium but it's only 350 hp? Ok...
When they show off The Invisible Woman (Sue Storm) they should just show an image with no character on the screen.
That would be beyond funny
Just start the reveal with a empty space and make her appear.
@adamyami2902 that probably will be her hero select animation
So she's john Cena lll
original joke.
I think Hela should die if u kill her in ult. Its just crazy
I don't, there's no way to drop the ult so you'd basically be setting yourself up to be killed every time you ult. I think they should just give the ult less health.
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or she should just be deleted from the game instead
@@Rexuhntthat’s how it is for scarlet witch though. So you actually have to decide when to ult instead of it being an easy escape option.
@zanedurante3709 witch has a shorter ult that also can wipe the whole team instantly and she can move. Hela is stationary and is active way longer
@@zanedurante3709
Are you comparing scarlet ult to hela ult? News flash, scarlet has to risk her life for 1big explosion.
Hela instantly gets a second health bar with no risk to her main health, XRAY VISION for some reason and lots of splash damage.
I would love to see a bit of a grace period to Cloaks... Cloak. So my teammates don't instantly cancel it by attacking when I try to save them
didn't know it gets canceled if teammates attack... in a game where you're shooting 99% of the time, that sounds like fucking ass having an ability that'll just insta get canceled with an already tight window to try n save the team.
Same with many teleports, ults, and resurrections. Many need longer frames of invincibility or any at all. Even just one second helps.
This omg! I play cloak and dagger so much, I thought I was horrible at timing until I reread the skills. It was my team mates canceling the cloaking on themselves cause their busy fighting for their lives ugh. Such a strange mechanic
That's a very valid point.
Plz don’t clickbait us like you did in your overwatch days
It’s part of the business.
Part of the business and the "?" at the end of the title wasn't misleading.
Gon wouldnt care about clickbait, he would click off
Those are actual leaks tho, he is just covering it
But its real
Venom is pretty bad tbh Sty definitely in the higher ranks at least, he just gets stunned out of his E ability and dies. Wolverine is also one of the best dps in the game at higher levels due to his tank shredding ability, as soon as he kidnaps a tank they blow up
he’s not “pretty bad”. that’s extreme language. He’s just not Strange, Groot, or Hulk. Your inability to play a character doesnt make them bad.
venom is not bad, you are crazy
@@cantu7214I main support in gm. Venom is not threat, he needs a buff
@@shamba4406 “main support in gm” acting like thats an achievement 😭😭😭😭
@@cantu7214 You're projecting, I'm stating that in a rank that is higher then 98% of players venom isn't very good against the heros he's intended to take down. I gotta assume you're hardstuck plat or something xD
You’re a gold player if you think Venom is one of the best tanks. He needs a lot of help.
hulk just better for dive tank
Right. he will SUCK without that bonus tbh.
@@maxvader1000 How? That bonus health is way better than the shitty bubble hulk gets. Hulk, Thor, and Cap need small buffs if anything
@@devlintaylor9520 im 100% sure that u arent even in diamond yet. im at grandmaster now and i can tell u that hulk is one of the best tanks in the game rn, up there w strange and magneto. his ban rate is INSANE. he has a teamwide bubble making ur team immune for 2 seconds, he has so much mobility w no cooldown, he has a 3 second stun, he is the anchor for the best teamup in the game, many Top 500 players play him, etc etc.
in conclusion, ur opinion is invalid cuz i know u arent even diamond yet. u play in lobbies where ppl dont know how to use him
@devlintaylor9520 the bubble is waaaay better than health because it can block any amount of damage while it last and you can defend from ultimates as well unlike just raw hp
She needs to be faster If storm is mid tange
They will probably buff Clock and Daggers run speed. They are one of the slowest characters in the game and the slowest support. If you die it takes forever to get back to your team.
While you might think C&D is fine at the moment, we must not forget they have a 15% heal bonus as a seasonal buff and it's going to be taken away. Dagger's primary fire barely heals any even with the buff, now think about what it's gonna be like without the buff. And i'm only talking about her primary fire, obviously she can heal a lot more with her abilities.
I think that's why he speculated making the seasonal buff permenant could be the buff
C&D is a weird case because yeah, her primary fire barely heals and I think most people just spam it until her cooldowns are up but most people rely on her healing wall and dome for the majority of her gameplay. Cloak is fine, imo. If anything buff the healing on Dagger's primary fire and maybe increase the CD length on her healing dome by 2 or 3 seconds.
As someone who plays C&D a lot, I think her movement speed is actually what I consider needs to be buffed. Everything else is fine.
Because you’re not supposed to just stand there like a bot and shoot her fire. You’re supposed to shoot and use your abilities strategically and the ones that do that the best are the best with them. That’s how every single character is supposed to work lol.
@@austinbigelow1523 Yeah, C&D do have a nice flow in their mechanics and I do like that Dagger doesn't miss a beat when reloading. They're honestly the most fluid hero imo.
Hela should die if you kill her in ult. Would be a fine nerf.
honestly keep luna and mantis as is but reduce the duration of luna's ultimate by at minimum 3 seconds, with the way it currently is if you don't have an ult of your own to counter you'll get ran through
Luna ult lasts way too long.
i think the ultimate charge rate for her needs to be reduced. And mantis should maybe have a cooldown on self boosting herself
@@Chancetstcab44her ultimate charge time does not need reduced lol. It’s the only thing in the game that counters psylockes ult really well and psylocke if she’s good even if I’m playing perfect will get her ult first usually or at the same time. Her ult charge time does not need reduced lol.
@ she has ult every single fight. she absolutely should have it nerfed. you should have to get good and manage her ult usage rather than just having it every fight with no skill gap
@@Chancetstcab44 she does not have it every single fight lol. You absolutely have to be skilled and strategic when you use it you can’t just use it whenever and you’re a bad player if you think that. Every single game there’s a psylocke in ranked I have to save my ult for when she uses hers or she kills 3-4 of my teammates every single time in 1.5 seconds. I literally cannot use it on another player at all. Doesn’t matter if they ult because psylocke is guaranteed 3-4 kills with hers and not everyone has an ult that good. So you are completely wrong lol.
What Cloak and Dagger are lacking is MOBILITY. Luna has her ice skating, Mantis is faster when she's not taking dam, Jeff is faster when diving, Loki has clone swapping, etc. C&D has one speed... SLOOOOOOOW.
I'd say make it so that only when switched to Cloak, they get the same kind of speed boost that Luna has. After like a second Cloak glides faster and has a higher jump for better positioning. That's it. 👍
100% this my main issue with her. If you die with C&D better say GGs cuz your whole team is gonna be dead by the time you're able to come back into the fight. I also think switching between forms could be buffed to be a bit faster.
@@Solarsonit’s so dam slow sometimes and the base healing has travel time and is not great so I play Loki instead
Exactly what I said
TLDR; he doesn't have actual leak numbers. he's speculating.
Wolverine buff? Playing tank into him is actually horrendous, you are almost guaranteed dead, and barely any tanks can counter him. I am forced to play magneto and just hope their Wolverine isn't good.
Venom is good into him. Swing to dodge his grab. Huge bonus health if you're low.
Other tanks are shit into him
@@blehbleh4611 Strange is decent, just hit Shift and he's now stuck overextended in your team.
Peni also pretty good. She can stun him and play around her webs you good
Everyone week one: Wolverine sucks, buff him!
Everyone week five: Wolverine is OP, nerf him!
Wolverine is not good. All you have to do is stun him and your team should look at him and instantly kill him. Sounds like you’re playing in low skilled lobbies.
I found the key to playing storm. You are a guardian. You hang out with your healers specifically to protect them until you get your playmaking ult. I can't tell you how many spidermen Ive fried without even landing a single shot lol. Plus as a flyer sometimes its tough to get your healers to look at you.....but not if you're protecting them all match. They love that.
Hell yeah! I love zapping that diving Spooder. The other thing is we shouldn't be flying much anyway, which is weird.
@@DarukaEon yeah, shes way too slow even with her speed boost. HOWEVER she draws aggor and you can take heat off your supports by "taunting" with flight
I play with the tanks on the frontline. Helps to mitigate the damage fall off.
@@GodWorksOut I never found that to be anything more than a bigger risk than is necessary. You can rack up enough damage protecting your back line to build an ult e-z peasy
That’s what I was telling my friends. She’s like namor. You stay back and you use your E if someone pushes and they either get out or you and the supports fry them & then your ult fries their supports or their DPS
For Storm, I don't see why her right click is only thunder; there should be a wind-form variant, maybe she does a corkscrew dive with windforce knockback
I think it increases movement speed even further.... but her momovement speed and dam need a buff
Bro i never thought of that XD have the right click change with the the shift lol OR have the wind form be like a shot gun wind blast making her back up and knocking back anybody she hits increasing her move speed for a bit :p that would be cool. of course idk how maybe people would use it since the long cd most people might just use for dmg
Ive mained Storm all season, currently lord with her. Her kit and concept is super good but all they need to do is buff her damage with her primary weapon and buff the damage on her team up ability. I think a movement buff would be nice but if you play her like a back line dps then she is super super good for protecting people on objective. Exciting to see a buff too her!
See i love storm i think she's great if used right and don't think she needs to much but a change to her primary fire is needed i would be fine with a damage but if they aren't gonna do that make her wind blades infinite it doesn't make any sense that she reloads wind i think she would be perfect if she didn't have to reload
Speaking of Storm, I didn't know this till I tried it out, her primary fire wind blade will go through enemy's when she's a ground level. I see to many Storms in the air
A flyer character that is incentivised not to fly is a dissonance of character design. Most of storms kit works well close to the ground. Her flight is like an afterthought.
Yeah. Her primary fire rails. It's what I've noticed since I picked her up is that the flying ability is a little bit of a red herring. You have to play her mostly grounded and I personally think she's well-suited in the backline as a support. Then, ends of narrow hallways, corners, and chokes are a great place to post up. Then, use her ult to sandwich enemies between you and your team.
@@adeeshadeegala5900 That's what I feel as well. But, the only thing I use her flight for is to find a good place to perch up before ulting.
She's great when the enemy team or your team are grouped up. She does really good damage when they are grouped (but not a lot of kills). She falls off fast when they start splitting and her damage is low in 1v1s unless she has all abilities online. She can't play close because she has no escape. If they buff her damage too much, she'll be pretty oppressive with how her shots pierce. They should either reduce her cooldowns, give her more abilities (debuffs and damage), and/or give her some burst movement.
@@adeeshadeegala5900yeah as someone who plays storm i am of the belief that she should have some flight movement ability. even if they don’t give her a whole new ability her wind speed should just be faster.
Patch Notes will be a true test of the devs behind the game. Here's hoping that they actually make changes lol. Maybe I'm still having ptsd from Overwatch 1 making 4 changes every 6 months.
Bro, right? Or even whatever the heck happened in latter OW1.
@@DarukaEon It's also funny because I've been playing Path of Exile for 10 years and every patch has had as much documentation as the NASA space shuttle probably did. Meanwhile in Overwatch-land it was a completely blank void of notable changes. I get that they are very different games but man, the difference between those two games' patch notes was always something I joked about with my friends.
Bro said 6 months 😂 im glad I never played that game only played part 1 for a month and moved on. Dodged the headache
Do note for some of the changes here: Venom has a 45% winrate (lowest for vanguards) and C&D has a 42% winrate (notably the lowest among the strategists). Although they are considered good in tier lists, their stats actually position them as being rather weak. The same also applies to a character like Winter Soldier who has a 44.65% winrate, and may also get buffed randomly at some point.
Winter Soldier is a point for himself. He is maybe played by some not most but he is strong but ppl just have terrible, terrible aim. So thats why he has lower winrate.
So exited for the cap buff. I’ve been climbing as him even without high elims by shutting down Hellas and healers in the back line. maybe getting a kill, and always escaping
Another thing, I wish there's a way to change the color of teammate's abilities. I cannot tell you how sensory-overload it is to see two Peni Parkers drop their mine deployer, their webs, and ult at the same time, that it's hard to tell which one is ours and which one is theirs. The other thing is Dr. Strange portals, buuuuuuuut I think that's the fun of it. I think Thor's thunder sphere thing as well. I don't think we could tell the difference between friend's or foe's.
You can pretty easily tell enemy abilities because they appear more red. E.g. strange portal has a yellow ring while enemy strange portal has a redder ring
That would be cool to change colors of enemy abilitys indicators but to that i would add a option to change HUD UI position's
I'm a gm2 wolverine main. The only buffs I could see without breaking the character is a movment speed buff at full rage. Any damage increases will make him a assasin instead of a tank buster.
How about making his ult connect better? I can’t tell you how many times I use his ult and they get launched up by the first part and then the second part just doesn’t connect.
@@bleachigo990ong
@@bleachigo990 You have to actually aim at the enemy during the second part to kidnap
@Tronnbro I understand that. The problem is sometimes the enemy gets popped up too high and then I can’t follow up with the second hit.
Seasonal boosts seem like a terrible idea, forcing team comps is not the go for a competitive game.
Naw, Wolverine is annoying, even pubs. People have learned how to use him more and tanking into him sucks so much
I think if the higher dps per framerate thing is removed, he might need some small buff
Yep people were just playing him wrong. Wolverine is strong
Captain America and Magneto are the ONLY Vanguards to counter Wolverine! Caps shield and Magneto bubble can block all melee attacks. You still gotta land your hits in between blocks but it’s the only way to stand a chance at surviving a Wolverine dive as Vanguard.
@@KingCutCornhulk can bubble himself, and thor is very mobile that he can bash out or keep him at a distance using his bash
@ Hulk is the only person I forgot to mention ( I don’t really play him much but will put in the time soon )
I main Thor and it is not as easy as just having a tank with a shield to block the burst of DMG, which is why I didn’t recommend Thor here, definitely possible but you gotta know how to play Thor under pressure
( the rest of the picks with shields just have to worry about less )
I feel like if Venom is gonna be buffed with anything, it may be making his primary fire bigger since, in my opinion, his damage and survivability are good as is. It is just more difficult to land his primary fire than most characters.
I have no idea how they decided the health pools in this game. Makes no sense how luna snow and mantis have 275 health when theyre the best supports and logically it doesnt make sense when theyre not really durable people while adam warlock whos basically a demigod has 250. Hela having 275 is also weird when she has one of the best escape tools out of all the duelists.
Venom's movement is so clunky compared to the grapple from Wrecking Ball. One leak I saw sounded like it was suggesting they were improving his movement. I'm hopeful this is part of the buff.
Would be cool if they reduce the grapple Cooldown. She he can be a better backline invader. you get to hard focused "bursted" before your cooldown is up.
I think they should let venom use his primary ability while climbing on walls
yeah its so weird that he cant. he shoots tendrils out of his back why not let him do that while his hands are busy climbing. that seems like a no-brainer
They should make capt america shield deflect bullets to where his cross air is so he can aim deflected shots
Would be a little busted tbh, you could have 6 people shooting at you and deflect all the damage at a single target lol. It's healthier that it's random.
@@PhilMihalyDr strange ?
Thanks for giving us the information we have already known for over a month. Appreciate it
Basically just another "could"... "might"... "potentially"... yeah I'm out.
It’s crazy how strange has better abilities, stronger attacks, more range, and a better freaking shield than captain America, that can block your entire team. Like I love playing cap but he’s in serious need of a buff he’s so weak compared to the other vanguards
Venom compared to other heros for what they can do to turn the tide of battle is minimal. 15 m tentacle range, a dive attack that barely hurts, tendrils that dont do enough damage, and an ult that only does 50 percent health plus 40 damage. Sure he can sponge damage, but that four burst tentacle hit just cant melt anyone when they get a sneeze of healing.
his primary fire has the same dps as other tanks and on top of that he can headshot for double damage
I think with Cap, they can have a offset with his strikes,
Punching with just the fist is 40 and a punch with the shield is 45
That little buff can actually be good where it’s good but doesn’t over power.
I think having to hit the enemy twice with ur fight in order to throw the shield is goofiest part of his kit. I’d do what u said like giving him a damage buff or straight up let me throw the shield
@ YES I love that balance of having to hit twice to get the 4 throws.
It makes you play close and you can get rewarded for playing close.
Then you have the 4 shots needed to back out.
A lot of people don’t know how to play Cap.
Like a lot of people don’t even know that he can sprint with his shield.
And if you sprint with his shield while in Ult, you can knock players back.
I think just a simple cool down reduction on his shield throw after you land a couple hits is a good buff.
Shield is a good size to me. The fact that it can deflect things is where the skill comes into play.
@@Weightsss cap main, Agree 100%. People dont realise his deflect is a great damage ability. He's so slept on. only clunky part is the long cd on shield raise
@ I feel the same way.
He’s meant to be played as a poke Van.
You dive in hit some punches if you’re not taking as much damage build your shield throws, use your E. After taking too much damage, F to dash out, or sprint with your shield and work corners.
I deflected a Luna Ice ball and stopped a Punisher ult. Love the character designs of everyone in this game.
@@Weightsss THE think i think needs to change and is weird is why cant i raise my shield when i do a super jump :/
I think the best nerf for Hela would be switching her from hitscan to projectile and Hawkeye needs a longer charge up and smaller projectile size. The more I play with Cap the more I realize they need to be careful with his buff. He’s already hard to kill.
As a Venom Main I’m happy he’s getting a buff. High level of play Venom isn’t good.
As long as they don't nerf them character models, I'm good
I'd be cool with Venom permanently losing the 150 hp if it meant we could reduce the cooldown on his swing and dive by like 1 second.
Buff Storm, Captain & Venom, buff Thor's ult, nerf Hela and Hawkeye, nerf Luna's ult.
Man 4 new heroes this season is crazy talk. Imagine how much its will shift the meta
Captain America with Thor teamup is actually pretty amazing. He basically becomes a dive duelist for 6s.
Its one of the most dramatic teamups in the game how it basically enables a completely new phase for him.
4:14 say something else negative about Cap, Stylosa….so help me!!!
i dunno wolverine feels fine. in terms of gameplay wolverine doesnt have a lot of risk, he's an opportunist.
storm is supposed to be played in the team so you can fully utilize her penetrating shots and lightning passive. i think they are trying to emphasize her Gold Leader status as a support leader, but its kind of meh when you have punisher and starlord running off to die in the corners of the map and the literal Goddess of Storms is hitting people with puffs of air.
I really hope the trailer for Invisible Woman is just camera panning through empty level, with no heroes on the screen.
I don't think they should increase the size of the shield for cap. He gets full movement speed while running you down with it. Haha I do think he needs buffs either in his damage, cds or both though.
Venom's cds are just way too long. Like his swing being on an 8sec cd is pretty awful for a tank that wants to bully the backline. You go in then sometimes you just cant get out because its a second or two too long and then his right click taking 4sec to go off is also pretty bad. You almost never hit more than one person with it.
Buffing Cap's damage could be really dangerous. The thing he does well currently is getting to priority targets immediately from anywhere. It could snowball fights quickly if he had more solo kill potential.
For Storm, I think there's always only so much you can do.
I think her base damage needs to be increased to 55 AND her fall off needs to be extended by 15m on both her minimum and maximum ranges.
Storm having fall off is nearly outrageous, but i respect the design philosophy where it seems they want her to brawl rather than poke from range.
This is fine but the fall off punishment is far too severe currently.
Additionally I think it's actually her base movement speed that needs to be increased.
In a sense it might be more fair to only improve her personal wind mode buff... but i think that it would be more beneficial to allow her to move better in lightning mode especially when aiming at mid to long range as well as evading shots or switching cover.
That being said i dont think she needs more than that but theres other options.
Hela just needs some serious fall off damage nerf, a longer reload time and a slower rate of fire.
I think her rate of fire is fine. Nerfing base damage might be enough. She either stays a ranged hero or a tanky DPS up close. Thing is, if she's balanced like McCree/Cassidy from OW, she is just another Winter Soldier with a different ultimate.
@heavyhauler426 I think the slower rate of fire + longer reload would be my top changes I'd like to see. It will remove her ability to spam spam spam. Personally I wouldn't compare WS to Cass too much (i haven't played lots of WS tbh) but aside from having the gun, I'd say Hela is much closer in play style to Cass.
Cloak and dagger has one of the lowest win rates, my guess is because teammates don't use their bubble and ultimate
Umm no she’s slow when she dies it’s goodbye cause she slow asf
Having just gotten good with storm, this is great news for me 😅. She is rather slow, but people shouldn't be flying with her.
She loses her area of effect with her abilities as it's a sphere around her. So the higher you go, the less area you cover, making your abilities target fewer people and be less effective.
ive been playing storm on and off in gm1-eternity. she needs literally just 10 more dmg max on her primary or she’s going to be oppressive. Minecraft creative mode movement with /weather thunder is nutty
Storm ult is trash. Needs to be increased by 2 more seconds.
She needs a lot more speed.
She should he moved to strategist.
Produce a AoE of healing rain on a 4 second cooldown instead of that weak thunderbolt on a 8 second cooldown.
Or give her thunderbolt a secondary affect of dmg over time. Like 40 initial dmg plus another 40 over 3 seconds.
This channel is just click baits over click baits omg. 757k followers, I really don't understand why.
Have to be careful with Cap buffs. His ability to jump into the backline and 1v1/1v3/1v6 any non-tank allows him to do a very good job disrupting. I like how he plays currently, and don't want to see him become the new server admin because he can just burn down anything.
Venom is in the same boat.
With Hela and Hawkeye being nerfed these two dive tanks would not be kept in check by burst damage.
C&D have 4 opportunities in light of losing the 15% healing team up buff.
1> Improve her direct heal from daggers, right now a lot of her healing relies on the splash heal of her daggers and that can be SUPER challenging when a team either a> doesn't understand how her heals work or b> refuse to group up. I think increasing her direct heal by just a smidge would be a terrific buff. I wouldn't prefer that if it came with a nerf to the splash heal amount because that's critical to her own defensive survival, but I think just a two point boost to her direct daggers would go a long way.
2> Her swap from D to C is sluggish. The animation takes too long...this matters for point...
3> Cloak's disappear is VERY short, and the shooting/reloading cancel for other characters is nearly impossible to time properly. It's also too short to really disengage or escape a dive character like Panther, Fist, or Wolverine. It's main use is for either vertical movement, or super timing to survive an enemy ult...which is problematic and difficult to do given #2. I think they could fix both 2 and 3 by just allowing skills of the other character to be able to go off literally DURING the swap time, basically rendering the swap time to functionally zero even though the animation persists.
4> Lastly she's just slow to run with no real boost to movement. Another solution to Cloaks disappear would be to include a speed boost while it's active. Or just up her dagger speed a tick. She's almost always the last to the fight as the whole team dashes in and leaves her to watch her team die before she can even throw her first dagger. Some maps there's not even that chance. Yeah, this is a problem of other players pushing in too fast, but it's also something that would be cool to just fix on her end. She doesn't need to be fast at all, especially being able to ricochet her daggers but just a teensy bit faster would make her a lot more playable.
I’m already one of those deadly cloak and dagger mains in GM. She’s so underrated and with her getting a buff she’ll be broken. I’m saying it noe
Honestly I want them to buff Rocket’s Armor pack. It’s feels like no uses his armor packs at all and it’s mostly there just to revive a player. I mean blue packs at least give players a super jump but orange packs just a tiny bit of armor. I’m hoping they add more colors packs like red for damage boosts or green for speed boosts so it can at least be more useful than revive station.
Not sure how they can accurately judge balancing when they have seasonal buffs and teamups which both affect a character’s performance. I think an easy buff for cloak and dagger would be to make their character swap quicker. I play a lot of them and it’s annoying when an enemy jumps you as dagger and you have to hope you survive for half a second while swapping to cloak, then you can wraith away. If it was snappier that would be good.
Faster ? Dude its already way too fast .... are you that bad ...
@@tommyblais7246how slow do you want it to be?????
@@tommyblais7246cloak is slow bruv if it’s a tight game and you die say gg cause she’s not making it in time buddy
I think Hela and Storm should almost swap auto attack. Lighting makes way more sense as a long range hit scan sniper. Hela will always be valued if she has an easy stun with ult denying potenial
I am fairly positive that it’s going to be eternal night or something vampire/Dracula theme because the photo marvel rivals has posted themselves of the fantastic 4 team has bats in the background.
Storms primary goes through people though so buffing it could make her damage output insane. She's supposed to be played lower with the team while shooting through tanks at the enemy team.
I saw pros saying that Luna+Loki, Luna+Mantis, Mantis+Adam+Starlord are all much better comps than anything with C&D and makes sense. They also said that are some insane and unkillable Jeffs out there.
Storm's primary fire can pierce through enemies. My guess is that you're not supposed to use her like Iron Man but stay on the ground with your team.
For Cloak & Dagger, the most reasonable thing I can imagine is tweaks to Cloak's Dark Teleportation, perhaps making it so that allies can't remove it (presumably settling for allowing allies to still act while phased). I still land allied saves against ults decently often, but the timing for that is a little more precise than maybe it should be. I wouldn't mind a little more speed, but that's unneeded.
Umm no her speed she’s horrendously slow
If Caps E stunned for like 3 Seconds I think that would be a perfectly balanced Buff.
I agree Storm needs more speed, and I think her primary should be more of an arc that spreads out with distance but maybe has some dmg falloff to compensate, so you could provide more consistent cleave dmg against a group from range
Sty they probably had most of this already nearly done before the season 0 - this is probably the target for launch content. This may not be at all indicative of their usual content cadence.
I swear the devs makes it so easy for coders to leak info on this game in order to get free publicity and hype and honestly its smart.
honestly, cap needs his E to fully charge his range shots when it connects, i feel like that just makes sense, would fluidly flow into his kit, and be a SIGNIFICANT buff to him.
wolverine buffs are crazy, but they probably considered this around when him being bad was gaslit to the community before understanding his kit, i doubt his PERCENTAGES will be buffed, so i think it won't be THAT bad. its also entirely possible its compensation for his slash speed about to be nerfed due to the fps glitch.
the two best supports not being nerfed, and third best being buffed? thats kind of insane. i guess luna could be losing her rapid stance change glitch, so thats i guess a hefty nerf, but still, they aren't even buffing the lacking supports to be better, instead buffing THIRD best...this is not a good sign for balance moving forward. but at least they see the BIG issues with duelists and vanguards.
CnD needs a buff for how quick skills activate after swapping to Cloak. Note that CnD has the second lowest win rate in the game, so objectively needs a buff.
It's weird to me that Wolverine is considered bad, I have like a 90% win rate on him even though I usually do 300% more damage on Punisher. It's like he may not pad the meters, but I secure a ton of kills and farm tanks.
Bit of a stretch to say C&D is fine. Their ult isn't good, switching takes too long, lack of movement to get back to the fight and high elo you're not really using Cloak since Dagger gonna be the main one you're gonna be using since she will be a heal bot when Luna and Mantis gets banned.
I think she just needs a tweak on one of the three and it will help out.
Hela with a 20% debuff seems like plenty of a nerf
Didn't they tweet there will never be nerfs? just the seasonal team ups removed or changed seasonally. Captain America is also incredible, he's tanky, he's great for pushes with his ult, he can reflect any projectile even ultimates, and he can jump to the back line and wreak havoc. The cd on his shield should be removed but other than that he's solid, dr strange doesn't have a cd so it's just weird as caps shield blocks less dmg and has a cd, especially when he needs it to reflect ultimates in the clutch.
are there any actual leaks discussed in this video?
Cloak & Dagger I can understand some buffs, they are my main played strategist and I only have 2 complaints (which are from a low tier player). The healing at times can be a struggle due to how low the primary is. I know in critical situations its meant to combo with other abilities but often that isn’t available and teammates just die losing the seasonal healing buff likely makes this worse.
The other is when switching to cloak and then using the shroud thing there is sometimes a delay, this could just be me or maybe one of the frame rate things but I have had more than a few times switched to cloak, hit the ability button and then died and see the ability never activated.
The other nerf/buffs mentioned seem fair depending on how its done.
Seasonal buff needs to not be in ranked. If Widow gets a 20% buff to attk on top of Mantis attk buff she's gonna be one shot body shoting everyone
The season buff literally muddy the waters because you don’t get a clear picture of how Hela sits without it, so you might be over nerfing her.
They need to balance around Hela's primary fire if they want to maintain Hela's playstyle. Otherwise, she becomes either underpowered or a tanky DPS with low damage output.
Aside with the major offenders (Hawkeye, Hela, and cap), I think buffs and nerfs are unnecessary. The game still hasn’t flushed out yet. Even the top players are learning and understanding new combos, teqs, team comps, and map knowledge. There’s no point in fine tuning these guys as their “place in the meta” will constantly shift for at least another 3-6 months.
The nerf with hela will most likely be her range. Since she is losing her 20% seasonal damage boost, im sure they don't want to tweak her power too too much right now. The main issue is she can snipe you better than sniper characters. Widow is a 2 shot, Hela is a 2 shot. At least make one of these characters a mid to close range hero and sadly.... That's Widow right now.
Storm needs a complete overhaul if shes going to be a true DUELIST because right now she is designed around her auras and have 1 less cooldown than all other duelists because of her auras.
Both of her goddess boosts need to be on separate cooldowns. Get rid of her auras if need be, because its super lame to give her the ability to FLY and then design her around auras that require her to be within 15m SPHERE of her allies...
I think buffing Venom and CnD makes sense when you consider they are already receiving 150 bonus stats and a 15% healing bonus, yet they still aren't considered top-tier picks. Despite these buffs, heroes like Strange, Mag, and Groot are consistently picked over Venom and tend to outperform him across the board. Similarly, Hulk also outperforms Venom while fulfilling a similar role, and arguably offers a stronger synergy with Strange/Iron compared to Venom's pairing with Spider/Penni.
CnD, while good, requires significantly more skill and precise timing to achieve the same level of performance as heroes like Mantis or Luna, who currently achieve comparable results with less effort, even with the 15% healing buff.
Now, imagine the balance shifting in the opposite direction - if Venom and CnD were nerfed, while Luna, Mantis, Strange, and Hulk stayed the same. Would CnD still be viable? Would Venom? I can confidently say no. Take Venom’s Web Sling as an example: if you’re using that ability to engage into a ground pound at a 650 health pool, he’ll be 100% dead before he can get another web off. The risk/reward trade-off simply wouldn’t be there anymore.
Food for thought - these Season Synergies might be an intentional attempt to shake up the meta, encouraging specific picks and bans to create more varied gameplay. If a champion is barely being picked and isn’t overperforming, it could be a strong indicator that they’re under-tuned.
That said, I think Hawkeye and Hela both face a similar issue right now. Neither of them really loses close or mid-range matchups. A skilled Hela or Hawkeye can easily two-tap heroes like Starlord, Punisher, Winter Soldier, or Psylocke - all of whom should be counters at close range but end up being outclassed instead. These heroes that are supposed to close the gap and punish them can’t do much when they’re deleted in one or two hits.
On top of that, both Hawkeye and Hela have built-in “get out of jail free” mechanics, whether through invulnerability frames, stuns, or escape tools like double jumps and mobility abilities. It makes them difficult to punish, even when they should be at a disadvantage. For god sakes, hawkeye has a bullet deflect, Imagine playing punisher and watching your bullets get deflected into a headshot.. I can cause it happened and it was huge ....... What the heck moment.
A proper nerf for both Hela and Hawkeye would be to make their damage scale with range - rewarding long-range shots while reducing their effectiveness at close range. This change would reinforce their intended playstyle as snipers, without them being overly oppressive and able to one- or two-shot dive/poke champions.
Hela, for example, should have to commit 4 to 5 shots to secure a kill at close range, while Hawkeye should need at least 2 to 3 fully charged Power Shots. This adjustment would give heroes like Black Panther, Spider-Man, Psylocke, and others a fair chance to engage and punish them in close-quarters combat.
Alternatively, their health pools should be adjusted. It feels unbalanced that long-range champions like Hela and Hawkeye have the same health pool as close/mid-range bruisers like Punisher or Winter Soldier. A health pool around 200 would make more sense for these ranged champions, given their ability to safely deal damage from a distance. Having both high damage and high survivability just seems excessive for their intended roles.
My guess is that no stats will change, the season buffs will just change plus new team ups.
What is stylosa on? Wolverine is extremely good, doesnt need buffs at all, Venom is ridiculously bad lmao how is wolverine bad and venom one of the best tanks r u crazy
I'll save you some time, this is all the tweet said so no actual info on what they're nerfing just who.
"Leaked Dates for upcoming skins maps buffs and nerfs
Jan 6 7pm pst: Season 1 Trailer
Jan 7 3am pst: Dev Blog
Buff: Venom, Captain America, Wolverine, Storm, C&D
Nerf: Hela, Hawkeye
Jan 7th 6am: Mr Fantastic PV
Jan 7th 7:30 am: Mr Fantastic Skin
Jan 7th 7pm: Invisible Woman PV Jan 7th
10pm: Invisible Woman Skin
Jan 8 1-3pm: New Hero Reveal Stream
Jan 8 3am: Content Creator early access server launch
Jan 8 7pm: Map Reveal 1
saw a tiktok talk about this and had a friend send it to me so it looks real"
Storm is supposed to be played at ground level because her damage left click pierces through enemies and hits all the enemies behind. That’s not very useful from above. Of course she can fly up and away when being hunted. Also the human torch together with her their team up will give her some insane fire tornadoes. I think they are waiting for that
Only thing i could think of for Cloak and Dagger is the dark teleportarion can be kinda iffy to land on allies. Like any action besides moving or jumpimg breaks its instantly and somtimes you dont even notice you have it and its gone. So maybe a buff to that?
Does season bonus only come with team up as well?
No
Season bonus is always active. Team ups are extra on top.
I saw someone else saying Venom and Cap are actually getting a movement adjustment not necessarily a buff.
She does NOT need a nerf, lose the 20% and she'll probably feel awful. Otherwise the only thing that wont completely cripple her is to gimp her ult.
I think hela and every other character who has a seasonal bonus will keep their seasonal bonus so long as their teamup stays in the game.
Team ups are changing each season, and the “anchors” get the boost. If they’re not an anchor anymore, I don’t think they’ll have the buff anymore either. But if hela’s teamup is still in the game, she will still have her boost.
I wouldnt even mind if they kept storms damage the same. Just buff her projectile speed and movement speed.
I'm less bothered by Hela & more annoyed that Hawkeye can one tap headshots & has unlimited ammo.
as a storm player I don't need storm buff. I need the team to group together, HAVE GOOD AIM and actually use the Lightning 12% buff to shred the enemy team. I've gone 30+ kills in a good group.
For cloak and dagger, the only thing I can see them buffing is their base movement speed. Everything else is great. They feel painfully slow. Idk if all characters share base movement speed or not, but cloak and dagger feel really, really slow.
Personally I don’t think any of these heroes need to be buffed or nerfed because that’s what makes the game so good. Different character being used to combat a character provides a variation to the game and hence making it more enjoyable. Plus, it allows for people to use different characters rather having a “meta” per se.
Very simple fix no one is talking about. Decrease rate of fire for Hela and Hawk. decreases spam. Maybe introduce arrow drop to hawk which I'm fine with cz I still main 💯