Yeah, team kinda stands there and watches. Wanda is not even hiding most of the time and just pops her ultimate in the middle of the team, they act like she's invincible.
A counter-counter tip for Peni: if you've misplaced your nest or enemies have found it and are shooting it, and you're certain it's going to die, hit the ability button again to destroy it as soon as you can. The cooldown of the ability is actually based on how much health it has remaining, so if you can pop it early yourself, that 15 second cooldown can be cut to as little as 3-5 seconds.
Same with Rocket! His BRB is 5 seconds if it's still at full health, so it's worth breaking it yourself between fights if you're pushing a point or if it's being focused. Granted, it might not be 5 sec if it took damage, but it will still be less than the 45 sec for full CD
I have to add on to the Peni counter because I'm losing my mind in ranked with Teammates that don't know this. Peni's Spider Nest Mines follow the trail of her Ultimate's Webs. So if Peni Ult's, focus the nest if you can. If it is gone, her Ult is useless. She just runs around dropping 100dmg mines slowly and bumping people. And Peni players, if you're going to Ult drop your nest somewhere the enemy isn't going to get to like all the way in the back, and run to point with the mines following you. STOP putting nest down on point and ulting STOP Ulting with no nest
Mostly right. Her ult drops both the 40dmg drones constantly, the 100dmg mines (RC) and the melee attack (LC) does respectable damage, so it's far from "useless" without a nest deployed. Two of those melee attacks (which isn't hard to pull off when juggling an enemy with the knockup) and 1 mine is usually enough to take out a 250hp hero, even without the drones or any extra damage from a nest.
@KoruxOG yeah it still does damage but not fast enough to contend with like any amount of healing. She swipes very slowly for only 60 dmg and the swipes, mines and drones usually never hit at the same time, because the mines don't activate instantly And she can die in the ult with no way of CCing her attackers or anything. I think without the threat of the spider nest this ult is worthless and I've legit never seen it do anything without the nest active
@@grantgarbour only works if you single out one person, so the drones dont get wasted. this way slap>mine>slap usually kills a squishy but i agree it its always better with a nest. my main issue is the hits of the meleeattack seem very inconsistent, so actually bursting someone with 2 attacks in a row doesn't work out most of the time
By the time you realize that Mantis ghost is there is already almost over. The reason why it exists is if someone on your team uses a crowd control ability. It has the benefit of waking them up as well.
yeah odds are the other team already shot your teammate waking them up anyways. Everything in the video was pretty basic most useful one that many might not know is the loki one with his heal aura thats actually destroyable since it pumps on big heals destroying it should come first over trying to kill through it.
Yeah I've only done this once so far It really isn't that useful of a tip like sure it's great to know But it's similar to an ana sleep You use it usually to just shut down an ultimate or get an easy pick Same with mantis it's usually used to shut down something for example I usually use it to shut down a spiderman or a black panther combo Especially for black panther if you aren't marked just sleep him and he will most likely die or mess up his combo
Depends on rank/skill level of the players. I've had plenty of Mantis put me to sleep and leave me, because I'm a healer or tank and it removes me from the fight. If all it takes is say one quick shot of a projectile character to remove it, that's a huge difference during actual fights. I've also saved myself by waking up my ally healers, who then keep me alive. It's entirely situational though, so don't prioritize it if enemy Mantis is just throwing out random sleeps.
Great tips, except for 7:31. Mantis ult literally overheals and adds bonus health. And Luna gives a onetime 250 shield too, which is shown in the video while you're stating the opposite T_T
also make sure to use the super easy doctor strange counter of literally rushing to his fucking spawn (probably while his entire team waits by him)??? some of these tips are absolutely demented and out of pocket
Fun Fact: Groot's walls can instantly destroy Peni's spider nest when placed close enough. It'll just lift the nest off the ground and instantly break it. Which can catch an enemy Peni by surprise very easily.
I dislike this but it happens to me too many times but unfortunately for you it only gives the nest like a 3 seconds cooldown so I'd still recommend shooting it so just a quick tip but yeh Groot can be a massive pain if played properly
@@LordTouchMe-ow9fk This. It does not destroy, it picks up the mines. Meaning if it's still full health, she can really quickly place it back down. However, I believe the webs on the mines, have a distance from the machine they travel. If you place a wall right in front of the machine, the webs go around, thus cutting the distance drastically. Think that was how it worked anyway.
@10:05 this isn't necessarily true. Neto does more damage as he soaks up projectiles (everybody knows that) but what some people don't know is that he does more damage the longer he charges his ult. Regardless of projectiles absorbed neto can one shot squishies if his ult is held for the max amount of time. The exact numbers are difficult to calculate for every scenario since there's two variables, being the time held and dmg absorbed, but a good rule of thumb as a neto player is that is you hold it for as long as possible with no dmg absorbed, it'll kill. If you get charged to about 90 then it'll kill as well. Hope this helps!
Official website has all the detailed info with the numbers of every ability. Magneto ult: Explosion Range Initially, the ability has a spherical range with a radius of 5m. After charging for 4s, it expands to an 8m radius Maximum Duration 4s Damage The projectile deals no damage. The base damage at the center of the spell field starts at 100 and increases to 300 when fully charged. Each point of Energy adds an extra 3 points of damage to the spell field, with damage reducing to 50% at a distance of 6m from the center
@Woteeeee oh yeah I know, I am a huge nerd and look at the website all the time. I was just feeling a little lazy for this comment and didn't want to check again. Thanks for writing it all here though!
@NoodleTactics oh, I see. Most people actually have no idea that it's there, so trying to spread the knowledge haha. Had someone on reddit wasting hours on research for peni' range and dmg numbers, imagine his reaction when I told him it was on website all that time. Though devs actually should leave a link to it in hero's description pages or mention it somehow
Half the problem is people just watch me get slept by Mantis then blame me why I died. I'm the only Vanguard but then you laugh at me not having many kills while holding off 2 vanguards. People are weird. This is why I can't rank up. People's ego are so toxic.
I love how he makes countering Peni sound easy. He left out the fact that Penn can call back her spider nest with a reduced cool or no cool down at all, let's forget the fact her spider mines can not be destroyed if put in her ability webbing not the spider nets webbing, her auto fire that never needs reloading, or her bungee jumping ability that makes her hard to pin down, but yeah he can keep telling himself that the spider nest is the only reason she picked.
Well it kinda is since Penni can take down anyone with their spider nest. Her bullets do really low damage and are outdone by somone like venom or iron man. As well she’s a big target and her bungee is on a cooldown so if you can’t hit her it’s a problem on your part. The Penni is probably busy in a fight just killing her nest when she’s alone isn’t going to do anything. As well you have 5 other players; that nest is gonna get shredded if you actually hit it.
@@realKlukidont worry, i think theyre just a penni main that got salty lmao. Probably also forgets she is a tank and never actually tanks and acts as a dps
7:30 "None of them overheal or add bonus health" Then you immediately hard cut to both Luna and Mantis with bonus health. Luna can't be one shot in her ult. She has to take some damage first THEN Hawkeye can one shot her.
I love using an enemy Strange's portal against them, rarely do they expect a Magik to dash uppercut them through their own portal before portal stepping back out and leaving a demon to claw at anyone entering the Strange portal.
5:38 also, since she is flying during ult, hulk can jump and tackle her out. Used it in a match where everyone was ignoring her as a last ditch effort since my exile and barrier were on cooldown
The only reason why I would ever not shoot the groot walls is his placement sometimes makes for some good cover because it's usually around the site so I can rotate around using it
Jeff eating counter - any character that places a full body shield on their allies (Magneto, Hulk for example) will stop Jeff from eating them or their teammates as long as the shield is timed correctly.
Squirrel girl counter peni pretty well. It left click takes out bombs on point, her cc is ez to hit on peni, and if you throw squirrel girl right click, you can press E to reset cooldown and stack it again for 2 stuns. Strange counters squirrel girl pretty good tho.
tbh as a groot player, one of the best ways to shut me down is to just shoot my walls. they give me cover, damage, shields. and the iron wall gives teammates shields too (most people dont know this). only if they’re near groot but still. i see people leave rhe ironwall up and i can just get infinite shields off it. if you know groots combo, its an even bigger advantage for me. in fact, i did this exact thing to a very good groot i went against. just played punisher and broke every wall he had, left the useless ones behind (thornwalls that arent near someone)
Lmfao, easier said than done by teammates. Instead, my allies just ignore the wall. Like, "oh , groot walls. Lemme ignore them and just play and walk around them." "Oh, their groot just keeps placing walls down, even though im helping teammates shoot them down. Let me just ignore them from now on, since groot just places more after we destroy them. Why botherrrr" 😂
I think I die more to Namor's Squids than I do to him. I'm not certain, but I think you can stealth Psylocke's ult and make it miss. Scarlet Witch's ult, Magneto can shover her back a short distance but it doesn't cancel her ult iirc. That's valuable if you know you can make her miss and no one else interrupts, because a cancel puts it at 50% of her ult where wasting it will put her at 0%. Strange's portals, if you have a Spider-Man or Bucky near it, have them yank enemies through. If you don't insta kill them, they'll usually be so disoriented they'll die in seconds anyway. I've gotten a few laughs out of yanking snipers through the portals as Spider-Man. Some of the interrupts that work on Thor or Scarlet Witch's ult, like Spider-Man's Web Pull, do not work on breaking Star Lord's ult I don't think.
this was probably already said before but Jeff can counter Thors ult with his bubble. If Jeff pops a bubble on imself or a teammate while Thor rises in the air at the start of his ult he should be knocked back and cancle the ult
To be fair, even walking away at a brisk pace counters Thor's ult. And pretty much every displacement ability in the game shuts it down. XD Thor's a solid contender for title of "worst ultimate in the game".
7:34 "None of them overheal or add bonus health" Except Mantis DOES, you even shot it in the video itself. Still doesnt make her immune to oneshots, but it's still incorrect.
You're right I misspoke, though for Mantis you just wait for overheal / bonus health goes away iirc. You can also plink off the big 250hp shield and one shot Luna with most abilities as well
You should add Captain America for the Punisher. If he sits in a turret, just leap in and use shield infront of it. If Punisher keeps firing (most will) then the reflect will kill his turret in under a second
I love how this game had multiple counters unlike other games that are just Rock Paper & Scissor. Anyone could counter you or outsmart you if you only does was unga bunga.
Ty for calling attention to the ankhs. I wish more of my ranged dps mates would prio them. I can get em as spidey, but not as easily as any ranged dps or support can. And i know because i get them easily when i play support.
I just love playing Hulk and nobody doing any of this. Like, sure I guess I'll stop pushing the objective and walk into the ankh's radius and punch it, mid fight.
Honestly stopped watching when you said "All of her (Peni) value is in her nest" All of her value is in her stun, it's a 3 second cool down .5 duration game changer. Her nest is absolutely awesome, and it's great to kill it if you're fighting her but to act like that's her only value? Either hyperbole or just ignorance.
But its true... her nest and stun are the only value she has, pretty much. Without the nest, she just has the stun. But with only the stun to deal with, there are other vanguards that would offer better chance against the enemy. Its why shes not that great of its not a defense round or capture the point and shes not on point. Thats just it tho, every character is easy to deal with without their main gimmick. Im a strange main, but without my shield, what exactly am i providing to my team or myself?
The number of times I've watched streamers and competitive players ignore ankhs is insane. If you're not a support maybe you don't get it but it takes literally 1 second and helps us a TON
Im support and vanguard mostly, so i get it. With ankhs and other destructible enemy equipment. Dps do way more damage than me and can easily deal with groot walls, ankhs, penny nests, etc, better and faster than i could, but here i am having to do it myself with my lame ass damage.
@@OscarASevillaDPS is easily the worst played role IMO. Every role needs to multi-task. Tank and peel, heal and buff, etc. I find DPS players just focus on chasing kills. Most never peel, never crowd control, never support the objective, just chase kills. The difference between a C- and A+ player in any role is how well they support the 'other' needs of the team.
I'd say of all the things, popping the red 'cross of life' ankhs has to be the most obvious thing to do, that hardly anyone is doing. I realized that some are better at breaking them than others. Widow one shots them, whereas Psylocke has to shoot 3 LMB's to kill one at medium range. It's far more efficient for the sniper classes to kill them. I play a lot of Widow, and I used to think it was inefficient for me to be wasting my time shooting them, instead of getting headshots. But I've completely 180'ed on that idea, and I focus them down asap everytime, realizing some chars can't one shot them as easily.
One character that specifically suffers from ankhs is magik I'm not a magik main but it's a thing I noticed when I played some games with her She can't 1 shot ankhs so she basically has to use an ability Because if that moonknight is focusing and shooting that ankh By the time she gets that 2nd swing in to kill the ankh she's already dead (this is also presuming she does not have max overheal as with that she will survive without it she won't) But yeah I think destroying ankhs should be a number 2 priority on the list of things to destroy Number 1 is peni nests and number 3 is Loki clones Because that ankh will basically result in that moonknights damage to be increased by like 2x
Yes thank you! I know a lot of dps have the mentality of "well itll just be back again because of the cooldowns being 'fast' in this game, so ill just ignore them," but thats one of the points of the game, to outresource your enemy.
I was perusing the top 500 leaderboard and saw you on there. My partner and I were so happy to see you doing well and enjoying this game. Ive been watching since Apex days and enjoyed your finals content. Hopefully this game treats you well
btw on magic i always tp and rightclick when i’m engaging mantis and know she’s gonna sleep me, the aoe damage breaks the ghost without the need for a teammate. any other lingering aoe also works but this one amost always works perfectly
Well yea, but people still dont do it lol. Sometimes it has to be obviously said aloud for people to learn. Most people have their noggins turned off during battle. Its like saying, "dr strange can be countered by everyone just focusing and shooting down his destructible shield." Obvious but people will ignore it or shoot away when he has it up.
Cloak's cloak can also save you from most if not all ults. I made a good few people rage quit by saving my team and punishing the user last night, especially hatemail from a Jeff and ironman main who I stole every possible kill from
@OscarASevilla alot of other c&d don't swap is what I see. My problem is I'm always in the enemy's face and now even worse with sue due to her damage bubble and her pushes. I've been abusing tanks and dps that used to destroy back line and support with her and just shielding my tanks. I blocked like 18k dmg one game staying on one tanks ass. Also found a dirty dirty team up with sue and scarlet witch.
@@avon22889 tbh yea, all the good cloak and daggers I see, actually use both characters and don't just stick to dagger. And so many times I've seen players that hold onto her ult for so long when there are many situations in the match that the healing ult would've came in clutch.
I thought the unc one was common sense Also coming from a penni main If you wanna hard counter her just play iron man tbh his bullets will destroy any mine that you had set up and penni cant kill him well Can penni still kill you ofc but youre gonna hit her alot more than she hits you
Thor ult is already so weak and vulnerable, not returning any hammers or anything, slow moving telegraphed, loud, stunnable (including hanzo kick) ult :c
Ok but how do i Counter Iron fist as a strategist? All other divers i can kinda Deal with. But that broken pice of nonsence outshields my dps when i try to fight back, has so much damage that i can not outheal and worst of all has more mobilty than i could ever Hope to have. Seriously only as loki do i manage to somewhat live through a damn ironfist just buttonbashing and homing
To help against Iron Fist, Luna has her freezing ability, and Mantis has her sleeping ability. As you said Loki is great as well with his clones to escape. They both are long lasting controls, and both are great healers, btw. Pinging the Iron Fist (or others diving on you) is also helpful to make your allies realize they have to help quickly against him (and even focus him while you use your control spell)
Moon knight Ankh is so bs to see, Ive found it lodged in between the horses on one of the carts for example. Also visually it's not even conveyed its something u can break by shooting, its not physical.
This was the most basic and stupid rivals video i have seen. all this info is in the character sheet. try adding something actually new or useful instead of just repeating the info the game gives us.
If I can't trust my team to shoot Scarlet Witch during an ult, how can I trust my team to shoot Mantis's ghost?
Yeah, team kinda stands there and watches. Wanda is not even hiding most of the time and just pops her ultimate in the middle of the team, they act like she's invincible.
Do it yourself.
Also are you bronze or something. Last time i met her there
@@yootani Nah, just Quick Match.
@@animegx45 Even worse, and why are you here complaining about the games Quick Match play LMFAO. Cringe ahh
You're allowed to complain without being the best of the best.
Jesus you guys are dense.
A counter-counter tip for Peni: if you've misplaced your nest or enemies have found it and are shooting it, and you're certain it's going to die, hit the ability button again to destroy it as soon as you can. The cooldown of the ability is actually based on how much health it has remaining, so if you can pop it early yourself, that 15 second cooldown can be cut to as little as 3-5 seconds.
Same with Rocket! His BRB is 5 seconds if it's still at full health, so it's worth breaking it yourself between fights if you're pushing a point or if it's being focused. Granted, it might not be 5 sec if it took damage, but it will still be less than the 45 sec for full CD
You rock!
Also a tip just put down a regular web for same hp regen it saved me loads of time when my web nest was destroyed
I have to add on to the Peni counter because I'm losing my mind in ranked with Teammates that don't know this. Peni's Spider Nest Mines follow the trail of her Ultimate's Webs.
So if Peni Ult's, focus the nest if you can. If it is gone, her Ult is useless. She just runs around dropping 100dmg mines slowly and bumping people.
And Peni players, if you're going to Ult drop your nest somewhere the enemy isn't going to get to like all the way in the back, and run to point with the mines following you.
STOP putting nest down on point and ulting
STOP Ulting with no nest
Mostly right. Her ult drops both the 40dmg drones constantly, the 100dmg mines (RC) and the melee attack (LC) does respectable damage, so it's far from "useless" without a nest deployed. Two of those melee attacks (which isn't hard to pull off when juggling an enemy with the knockup) and 1 mine is usually enough to take out a 250hp hero, even without the drones or any extra damage from a nest.
@KoruxOG yeah it still does damage but not fast enough to contend with like any amount of healing. She swipes very slowly for only 60 dmg and the swipes, mines and drones usually never hit at the same time, because the mines don't activate instantly
And she can die in the ult with no way of CCing her attackers or anything. I think without the threat of the spider nest this ult is worthless and I've legit never seen it do anything without the nest active
As a penni main it's situational
@@grantgarbour only works if you single out one person, so the drones dont get wasted. this way slap>mine>slap usually kills a squishy but i agree it its always better with a nest. my main issue is the hits of the meleeattack seem very inconsistent, so actually bursting someone with 2 attacks in a row doesn't work out most of the time
@KoruxOG I agree the melee attacks feel very inconsistent when I play her
By the time you realize that Mantis ghost is there is already almost over.
The reason why it exists is if someone on your team uses a crowd control ability. It has the benefit of waking them up as well.
yeah odds are the other team already shot your teammate waking them up anyways. Everything in the video was pretty basic most useful one that many might not know is the loki one with his heal aura thats actually destroyable since it pumps on big heals destroying it should come first over trying to kill through it.
Yeah I've only done this once so far
It really isn't that useful of a tip like sure it's great to know
But it's similar to an ana sleep
You use it usually to just shut down an ultimate or get an easy pick
Same with mantis it's usually used to shut down something for example I usually use it to shut down a spiderman or a black panther combo
Especially for black panther if you aren't marked just sleep him and he will most likely die or mess up his combo
Depends on rank/skill level of the players. I've had plenty of Mantis put me to sleep and leave me, because I'm a healer or tank and it removes me from the fight. If all it takes is say one quick shot of a projectile character to remove it, that's a huge difference during actual fights. I've also saved myself by waking up my ally healers, who then keep me alive. It's entirely situational though, so don't prioritize it if enemy Mantis is just throwing out random sleeps.
Whole video: Kill enemy equipment.
Also use shields.
As a Mantis main. Stop telling people how to counter my sleep lol
😂 shhhh go to sleep 💤
That ability is insanely annoying
Yea man that’s the only thing i can do to taunt spiders and panthers 😂
Cringe ass thing to say lol "as a mantis main". Yeah, she's in every single game. Every support is a mantis main
Hope u get nerfed batch
Great tips, except for 7:31. Mantis ult literally overheals and adds bonus health. And Luna gives a onetime 250 shield too, which is shown in the video while you're stating the opposite T_T
also make sure to use the super easy doctor strange counter of literally rushing to his fucking spawn (probably while his entire team waits by him)??? some of these tips are absolutely demented and out of pocket
"the only good reason she's seeing any play is" [proceeds to describe the core mechanics of a character's kit]
...yeah, that's how that works :P
So ur telling me if I destroy the entities that enemies spawn it actually counters their abilities?
Holy, my world
It really seems like a lot of people don't know this...
But to be fair, you have a point. They're probably not the ones watching this video.
Had no idea about the mantis sleep counter... Thanks!
Fun Fact: Groot's walls can instantly destroy Peni's spider nest when placed close enough.
It'll just lift the nest off the ground and instantly break it. Which can catch an enemy Peni by surprise very easily.
I dislike this but it happens to me too many times but unfortunately for you it only gives the nest like a 3 seconds cooldown so I'd still recommend shooting it so just a quick tip but yeh Groot can be a massive pain if played properly
@@LordTouchMe-ow9fk This. It does not destroy, it picks up the mines. Meaning if it's still full health, she can really quickly place it back down. However, I believe the webs on the mines, have a distance from the machine they travel. If you place a wall right in front of the machine, the webs go around, thus cutting the distance drastically. Think that was how it worked anyway.
@@LordTouchMe-ow9fk OMG I never knew that! Need to test this
@10:05 this isn't necessarily true. Neto does more damage as he soaks up projectiles (everybody knows that) but what some people don't know is that he does more damage the longer he charges his ult. Regardless of projectiles absorbed neto can one shot squishies if his ult is held for the max amount of time. The exact numbers are difficult to calculate for every scenario since there's two variables, being the time held and dmg absorbed, but a good rule of thumb as a neto player is that is you hold it for as long as possible with no dmg absorbed, it'll kill. If you get charged to about 90 then it'll kill as well. Hope this helps!
Official website has all the detailed info with the numbers of every ability.
Magneto ult:
Explosion Range
Initially, the ability has a spherical range with a radius of 5m. After charging for 4s, it expands to an 8m radius
Maximum Duration
4s
Damage
The projectile deals no damage. The base damage at the center of the spell field starts at 100 and increases to 300 when fully charged. Each point of Energy adds an extra 3 points of damage to the spell field, with damage reducing to 50% at a distance of 6m from the center
@Woteeeee oh yeah I know, I am a huge nerd and look at the website all the time. I was just feeling a little lazy for this comment and didn't want to check again. Thanks for writing it all here though!
@NoodleTactics oh, I see. Most people actually have no idea that it's there, so trying to spread the knowledge haha. Had someone on reddit wasting hours on research for peni' range and dmg numbers, imagine his reaction when I told him it was on website all that time. Though devs actually should leave a link to it in hero's description pages or mention it somehow
neto ?
@@owenSHOK magNETO
I always shoot the mines, pop the anhk, burn the walls, bust the clones, blast the squids, etc. so non of the monkey brain players get cooked.
starman
Half the problem is people just watch me get slept by Mantis then blame me why I died. I'm the only Vanguard but then you laugh at me not having many kills while holding off 2 vanguards. People are weird. This is why I can't rank up. People's ego are so toxic.
I would honestly rank up with other characters and play tank in gold or plat cause below those it’s awful
Ur dumb just solo carry on hulk. That's what I do and I went from bronze to gm lmao
@@joshford256 Hulk is not a good solo Vanguard to be honest
@@kidkatanatv he's good enough to beat players in whatever rank you're in though, even solo vanguard
@@joshford256u are not solo carrying hulk lmao. ur enabling iron man, who is actually carrying. hulk is also banned in like 80% of games
FUN FACT squirrel girls right click stun it hitting mid ult will still stun Jeff! canceling the ult even after the main swallowing
That I did not know
And I main her
But tbf I usually just kill the Jeff before he gets to hop off the map
8:47 and you know what else is massive?
That "Country roads, take me home" joke killed me XD
i once used moon night ult on my feet right when i saw jeff ult go off. worked suprissingly well
I love how he makes countering Peni sound easy. He left out the fact that Penn can call back her spider nest with a reduced cool or no cool down at all, let's forget the fact her spider mines can not be destroyed if put in her ability webbing not the spider nets webbing, her auto fire that never needs reloading, or her bungee jumping ability that makes her hard to pin down, but yeah he can keep telling himself that the spider nest is the only reason she picked.
Well it kinda is since Penni can take down anyone with their spider nest. Her bullets do really low damage and are outdone by somone like venom or iron man. As well she’s a big target and her bungee is on a cooldown so if you can’t hit her it’s a problem on your part. The Penni is probably busy in a fight just killing her nest when she’s alone isn’t going to do anything. As well you have 5 other players; that nest is gonna get shredded if you actually hit it.
@@realKlukidont worry, i think theyre just a penni main that got salty lmao. Probably also forgets she is a tank and never actually tanks and acts as a dps
6:40 "GIVE ME THAT SHARK!!" "- BUT SIR!"
7:30 "None of them overheal or add bonus health"
Then you immediately hard cut to both Luna and Mantis with bonus health. Luna can't be one shot in her ult. She has to take some damage first THEN Hawkeye can one shot her.
Love the Psylocke ult being a prisoner's dilemma, where deciding to stay is gambling on your teammates doing the same thing
I love using an enemy Strange's portal against them, rarely do they expect a Magik to dash uppercut them through their own portal before portal stepping back out and leaving a demon to claw at anyone entering the Strange portal.
In addition, physlocks ult can be similarly countered by rockets ult , she will bounce off of his ult like a player preventing damage on someone else
5:38 also, since she is flying during ult, hulk can jump and tackle her out. Used it in a match where everyone was ignoring her as a last ditch effort since my exile and barrier were on cooldown
The only reason why I would ever not shoot the groot walls is his placement sometimes makes for some good cover because it's usually around the site so I can rotate around using it
Shooting the purple Mantis shadow doesn't work.
Source; Just trust me bro ;)
Jeff eating counter - any character that places a full body shield on their allies (Magneto, Hulk for example) will stop Jeff from eating them or their teammates as long as the shield is timed correctly.
Squirrel girl counter peni pretty well. It left click takes out bombs on point, her cc is ez to hit on peni, and if you throw squirrel girl right click, you can press E to reset cooldown and stack it again for 2 stuns. Strange counters squirrel girl pretty good tho.
seems like the entire video can be boiled down to "if it has a health-bar and doesn't move burn it down. The rest will follow"
tbh as a groot player, one of the best ways to shut me down is to just shoot my walls. they give me cover, damage, shields. and the iron wall gives teammates shields too (most people dont know this). only if they’re near groot but still. i see people leave rhe ironwall up and i can just get infinite shields off it. if you know groots combo, its an even bigger advantage for me.
in fact, i did this exact thing to a very good groot i went against. just played punisher and broke every wall he had, left the useless ones behind (thornwalls that arent near someone)
Lmfao, easier said than done by teammates. Instead, my allies just ignore the wall. Like, "oh , groot walls. Lemme ignore them and just play and walk around them."
"Oh, their groot just keeps placing walls down, even though im helping teammates shoot them down. Let me just ignore them from now on, since groot just places more after we destroy them. Why botherrrr" 😂
I think I die more to Namor's Squids than I do to him. I'm not certain, but I think you can stealth Psylocke's ult and make it miss. Scarlet Witch's ult, Magneto can shover her back a short distance but it doesn't cancel her ult iirc. That's valuable if you know you can make her miss and no one else interrupts, because a cancel puts it at 50% of her ult where wasting it will put her at 0%. Strange's portals, if you have a Spider-Man or Bucky near it, have them yank enemies through. If you don't insta kill them, they'll usually be so disoriented they'll die in seconds anyway. I've gotten a few laughs out of yanking snipers through the portals as Spider-Man.
Some of the interrupts that work on Thor or Scarlet Witch's ult, like Spider-Man's Web Pull, do not work on breaking Star Lord's ult I don't think.
that Magneto one is by far my favorite tip on here.
this was probably already said before but Jeff can counter Thors ult with his bubble. If Jeff pops a bubble on imself or a teammate while Thor rises in the air at the start of his ult he should be knocked back and cancle the ult
To be fair, even walking away at a brisk pace counters Thor's ult. And pretty much every displacement ability in the game shuts it down. XD Thor's a solid contender for title of "worst ultimate in the game".
How dare you promote violence against uncs
7:34 "None of them overheal or add bonus health"
Except Mantis DOES, you even shot it in the video itself. Still doesnt make her immune to oneshots, but it's still incorrect.
You're right I misspoke, though for Mantis you just wait for overheal / bonus health goes away iirc. You can also plink off the big 250hp shield and one shot Luna with most abilities as well
You should add Captain America for the Punisher. If he sits in a turret, just leap in and use shield infront of it. If Punisher keeps firing (most will) then the reflect will kill his turret in under a second
I love how this game had multiple counters unlike other games that are just Rock Paper & Scissor. Anyone could counter you or outsmart you if you only does was unga bunga.
Great tips, but I’m locked in on your accuracy with starlord, nice stuff
I think the playerbase is FINALLY starting to realize that stopping hazards is half the strategy of this game. GREAT VIDEO!
Well it really depends because some heroes don't have any hazards
Apparently you can shoot Hela's ult to take her out of it faster, I didn't realize until I was in plat lmao.
Ty for calling attention to the ankhs. I wish more of my ranged dps mates would prio them. I can get em as spidey, but not as easily as any ranged dps or support can. And i know because i get them easily when i play support.
Also, Moonknight's hits bounce on Loki's clones, so don't put them too close to one another if there's one in the match.
I just love playing Hulk and nobody doing any of this. Like, sure I guess I'll stop pushing the objective and walk into the ankh's radius and punch it, mid fight.
Hey, I like this video, may I ask, are you done with the finals? It’s ok if you are, but we def miss you :/
Honestly stopped watching when you said "All of her (Peni) value is in her nest" All of her value is in her stun, it's a 3 second cool down .5 duration game changer.
Her nest is absolutely awesome, and it's great to kill it if you're fighting her but to act like that's her only value? Either hyperbole or just ignorance.
But its true... her nest and stun are the only value she has, pretty much. Without the nest, she just has the stun. But with only the stun to deal with, there are other vanguards that would offer better chance against the enemy.
Its why shes not that great of its not a defense round or capture the point and shes not on point.
Thats just it tho, every character is easy to deal with without their main gimmick.
Im a strange main, but without my shield, what exactly am i providing to my team or myself?
8:01 winter soldier's's
Counter for Luna's ult - use one shot ults
Counter for Squirrel girl's ult - jump
As spidey, peni's nest is one of my mortal enemies. That and namors damnable squid posse. I only have so much web to hurt stuff at range with 😂
It is shocking to me that a ton of these are just "shoot the junk the enemy puts on the ground" is shocking to me but necessary because nobody does it
The number of times I've watched streamers and competitive players ignore ankhs is insane. If you're not a support maybe you don't get it but it takes literally 1 second and helps us a TON
Im support and vanguard mostly, so i get it. With ankhs and other destructible enemy equipment. Dps do way more damage than me and can easily deal with groot walls, ankhs, penny nests, etc, better and faster than i could, but here i am having to do it myself with my lame ass damage.
@@OscarASevillaDPS is easily the worst played role IMO. Every role needs to multi-task. Tank and peel, heal and buff, etc. I find DPS players just focus on chasing kills. Most never peel, never crowd control, never support the objective, just chase kills. The difference between a C- and A+ player in any role is how well they support the 'other' needs of the team.
Damn i normally just go protection mode when i see a mate get sleeped. Ty for that tip!
you can fully protect your teammates from dr strange ult as cloak and dagger by covering them in your veil
GM2 and didn't know the mantis one, cheers!
Also GM2 and I'm so surprised almost nobody knows about this
I'd say of all the things, popping the red 'cross of life' ankhs has to be the most obvious thing to do, that hardly anyone is doing. I realized that some are better at breaking them than others. Widow one shots them, whereas Psylocke has to shoot 3 LMB's to kill one at medium range. It's far more efficient for the sniper classes to kill them. I play a lot of Widow, and I used to think it was inefficient for me to be wasting my time shooting them, instead of getting headshots. But I've completely 180'ed on that idea, and I focus them down asap everytime, realizing some chars can't one shot them as easily.
One character that specifically suffers from ankhs is magik
I'm not a magik main but it's a thing I noticed when I played some games with her
She can't 1 shot ankhs so she basically has to use an ability
Because if that moonknight is focusing and shooting that ankh
By the time she gets that 2nd swing in to kill the ankh she's already dead (this is also presuming she does not have max overheal as with that she will survive without it she won't)
But yeah I think destroying ankhs should be a number 2 priority on the list of things to destroy
Number 1 is peni nests and number 3 is Loki clones
Because that ankh will basically result in that moonknights damage to be increased by like 2x
Squirrel Girl is also awesome to one shot all those structures / squids / ankh :)
Yes thank you! I know a lot of dps have the mentality of "well itll just be back again because of the cooldowns being 'fast' in this game, so ill just ignore them," but thats one of the points of the game, to outresource your enemy.
Seems like doing a lot right and especially enjoying Hulk who seems to be able to counter and protect so well against ults
1:00 people do prioritize the nests
For sure. I main this character and people GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to destroy it, especially flying heroes and flankers
if you play Wolverine against Penny you deal very little damage, so instead try to snatch her out of her nest
Everyone shoots the ankh's when I'm playing Moon Knight, however whenever the enemy is using Moon Knight, my entire team has ankh blindness
I was perusing the top 500 leaderboard and saw you on there. My partner and I were so happy to see you doing well and enjoying this game. Ive been watching since Apex days and enjoyed your finals content. Hopefully this game treats you well
btw on magic i always tp and rightclick when i’m engaging mantis and know she’s gonna sleep me, the aoe damage breaks the ghost without the need for a teammate. any other lingering aoe also works but this one amost always works perfectly
Pretty much all of these are "just shoot the destructible object" lol
If it can make more people do it, it'll be great, I often do it myself, but I'd like some help sometimes x)
Well yea, but people still dont do it lol. Sometimes it has to be obviously said aloud for people to learn. Most people have their noggins turned off during battle.
Its like saying, "dr strange can be countered by everyone just focusing and shooting down his destructible shield." Obvious but people will ignore it or shoot away when he has it up.
Bro, the Mantis tip is HUGE
Cloak's cloak can also save you from most if not all ults. I made a good few people rage quit by saving my team and punishing the user last night, especially hatemail from a Jeff and ironman main who I stole every possible kill from
Yea, i want to get good at cloak just for that, tbh. I notice a lot of my ally cloak and daggers never doing this at all.
@OscarASevilla alot of other c&d don't swap is what I see. My problem is I'm always in the enemy's face and now even worse with sue due to her damage bubble and her pushes. I've been abusing tanks and dps that used to destroy back line and support with her and just shielding my tanks. I blocked like 18k dmg one game staying on one tanks ass.
Also found a dirty dirty team up with sue and scarlet witch.
@@avon22889 tbh yea, all the good cloak and daggers I see, actually use both characters and don't just stick to dagger.
And so many times I've seen players that hold onto her ult for so long when there are many situations in the match that the healing ult would've came in clutch.
I get the feeling you just saved me a lot of headaches in the future. Subscription incoming.
I learned on the second day of playing. You see any enemy item on the floor you destroy that shit asap. XD
Bro cut the fluff and cut to the point
I thought the unc one was common sense
Also coming from a penni main
If you wanna hard counter her just play iron man tbh his bullets will destroy any mine that you had set up and penni cant kill him well
Can penni still kill you ofc but youre gonna hit her alot more than she hits you
1:20 groots walls placed under a nest instantly break them aswell
every strange port counter, requires a strange port great design lmao
My buddy puts a nest under our side and tosses mines in their side. You never see a portal again.
Great tips. If I was brain dead enough to need any of them, I would feel bad :(
Basically if a character deploys anything. Destroy it. 😅
Thor ult is already so weak and vulnerable, not returning any hammers or anything, slow moving telegraphed, loud, stunnable (including hanzo kick) ult :c
the best counter to the portal is its own cooldown
The healing from loki's runes isn't that great. The value comes from the fact all damage a teammate takes when inside is converted to instant healing.
Im gonna hope this makes players actually target them
i only got so many web tracers to shoot at util
As someone who plays moon knight please don’t tell people to shoot enemy loki clones they’re like free ankhs lmao
actually if the magneto uses there bubble the Namor ult will still miss
No one has talked about how mags ult can absorb iron man’s ult. It will suck it up even curve it from its path
It eats all all ranged attacks except another Magneto ult.
Ok but how do i Counter Iron fist as a strategist?
All other divers i can kinda Deal with. But that broken pice of nonsence outshields my dps when i try to fight back, has so much damage that i can not outheal and worst of all has more mobilty than i could ever Hope to have.
Seriously only as loki do i manage to somewhat live through a damn ironfist just buttonbashing and homing
To help against Iron Fist, Luna has her freezing ability, and Mantis has her sleeping ability. As you said Loki is great as well with his clones to escape. They both are long lasting controls, and both are great healers, btw.
Pinging the Iron Fist (or others diving on you) is also helpful to make your allies realize they have to help quickly against him (and even focus him while you use your control spell)
Iow you can't. Ironfist and Starlord are the most broken characters in the game with their built in aimbots
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Use Loki clones for psylok ult
TLDR of the vid shoot turrets and enemy equipment. I see a lot of ppl ignore all of these!
I play melee hero's. How would I break the spider nest or the anchor without dying
That's the best part, you don't 7:41
Gold video, thank you
Im shocked there's 42 video's repeating the same things but get that bag I guess 😂
We need Hit monkey in rivals ASAP
YOU CAN SHOOT THE MINES MID ACTIVATION?????
Moon knight Ankh is so bs to see, Ive found it lodged in between the horses on one of the carts for example. Also visually it's not even conveyed its something u can break by shooting, its not physical.
bro really said group up for psylocke ult, terrible advice throughout, not worth watching
I got that Kingsmen 2 reference.
4AM!?
My boi get some sleep you deserve it
rocket raccoon melts punishers
I’m watching this at 4 AM
This was the most basic and stupid rivals video i have seen. all this info is in the character sheet. try adding something actually new or useful instead of just repeating the info the game gives us.
Bro I am also watching this at 04:00 at the exact moment you said it was 04:00.
you can shoot the ghost?!
I knew all of these.......... Wow maximum pulse
Sounds like a lot of game miscommunication
it won't win you games, you'll still lose cause you'll have bots in your team