In North America, particularly the US finding Makita is the biggest issue. Years ago i was in spain and went into a large hardware store for giggles and their makita section was about as big a home depots Milwaukee, Rgid, and ryobi put together.
Same while I was in Guam. Local stores had B&D for the home users and Makita galore for the contractors, where as I'd see Dewalt or Milwakuee state side.
Hey DeWALT & Hercules, this is your sign that we NEED more Tools in the 12v lines PLEASE !!!!! but for now I really like SKIL 12v line for the price, in fact with some upgrades to some of their tools they could be competing heavily against Milwaukee, especially for the price point.
Hercules also needs to update some of their normal 20v tools, they have some absolute bangers, but then there are some basic stuff that are complete flops, like their compact impact wrench.
@@TunaSoda they have several decent tools in the 12v line, circular saw, band saw, ratchet, 1/4 impact, 1/2 or 3/8 impact wrench 🔧, really nice oscillating tool, reciprocating saw 🪚, & SDS hammer 🔨 drill, they just don't have near as many as some of these other brands & if they did they probably would be in the S category, me personally like their 1/4 impact better than the Milwaukee.
totally agree that I really love the Skil line. I'm rather surprised that Ryobi hasn't done more in this area. They have those 4.2v tools but I don't think much of them at all
I got into the Skil 12v line 3 years ago with a Lowes Black Friday deal. Its been amazing. It was to replace the Black and Decker 20v drill I had been using for everything for probably 5 years before that. It does everything I have needed around my little 3 acre property. DIY projects, chicken coop repairs, pruning tree's etc. My son no longer feels the need to bring his Makita 18v stuff with him when he's doing things here.
I own Milwaukee in 12 volt, a couple of of dewalt, and 20 years worth of ryobi. But I have a full set of Makita in 12 & 18 volt. I worked on industrial equipment and loved them. My experience with Makita batteries is a major part of my loyalty. Now that I’m retired I’m stocking up on Makita lawn and garden.
I made the switch years ago to Milwaukee and haven’t been disappointed. I also have some Bosch that I really like too. Your list looks pretty spot on to me!
it also leaves your wallet with nothing but dust. No seriously, I may will go into the Milwaukee line the moment the become more consistent with their prices. They will have a kit with 2 batteries, a very powerful tool, and a charger for around $100. Then you try to buy a battery separately, and it's $80. Their 12v line is absolutely the best out there, but god, I hate those prices.
Cant complain about your ranking. I bought that Skil kit and its the best 150 bucks i ever spent. Ive bought a couple more Skil 12v tools since then and everything is great.
I am never disappointed when I invest in Milwaukee cordless tools. Wish they had a better price point but I understand. Sure would be nice if Harbor Freight would expand their 12v line of tools. Been happy with my Bauer 20V tools and always wondered why they did not have Bauer 12v line.
I love my 12v Bosch! Not to mention I was able to get the brushed one handed recip, drill and work light for $69 at TSC last year on clearance! Plus charger and 2 batteries.
Got my first Bosch 12v as the screwdriver back in the mid 2000s. They were revolutionary at the time. I have been heavy in the line ever since. I have almost everything. There are a few I just can't justify.
Have whole line of 12v skil and I really enjoy them..Some of the newer stuff uses 12 or 20v batteries like drain snake and the flip drill. Flip drill I have been using for drapes and blinds and replacing old lock sets.
So, B is the new C? 🤠 The only Milwaukee M12 stuff I have is the 3/8” ratchet and the mini chainsaw tree trimmer. Both are wonderful and Home Depot always has such terrific Black Friday sales, especially the kits, that I seriously considered some but didn’t really have a use for them since all my other electric stuff is in their M20 lineup.
Keep in mind that jumping into the Bosch 12V line gives you access to a wide selection of power tools. But also a large selection of measuring and detection tools. Line, Combo and Three Plane lasers, Thermal Cameras and inspection cameras. Plus their heated outerwear.
I really like my Dewalt 12v tools, size and power tackles most jobs I do. I chose Dewalt 12v primarily because I already have Dewalt 20v tools and the chargers do both. When I started buying the 12v tools, Lowes was running deals, buy the tool and get a free 12v 5ah battery. Like you said, I wish there were a more variety of tools. Back in the day my job gave us those old style 12v tools and they were clunky compared to the new line.
As 12v tools go, I've got a couple of Skil ratchets. Both are heavy and feel well-built. My Skil RW5763 3/8 ratchet w/ 55 ft-lbs torque @$100 (with battery and charger) puts my 18v Makita XRW01 w/ 35 ft-lbs torque @around $130 (tool only) to shame. The Skil is a beast, it's about 2" longer and weighs 5 pounds (according to Amazon) and 3 pounds heavier than the Makita. The plus on the Makita side: It has a much smaller head and body to get in tighter places. I really don't need to justify the Makita, as it was a free tool with a Home Depot Makita battery package deal some time back. Also the Skil RW5763 would make for a fine melee weapon, should you not have a baseball bat handy. :)
For basic tools those hyper tough are decent. Even better when you find them with a yellow tag. The 4ah and especially 6ah are powerful. I have to agree about low b tier. If they end up having a good track record they might sneak their way into tier b.
I’m a woodworker and I have both M18 and M12 tools and grab the M12 drill and impact driver 90% of the time also have many other M12 tools. I’m a Milwaukee fan boy for nearly 50 years as a contractor (now retired) still have some of my earliest tools. The new tools I do not expect the same durability.
Milwaukee and Skil 12v tools have both been excellent for me! I do a lot of small repairs for people and have found that Skil 12v tools have worked flawlessly for me for the last 5 years that I've had them (I have 8 of their tools). Finally got the M12 impact driver and the drill last month because I needed something more compact then the Skil 12v driver and drill for my compact tool bag and am very happy with them as well! I don't feel like I need to replace any other Skil tools with Milwaukee since they do all I need and more, but having the more compact drill and driver has made it easier to carry and get into tight spaces, such as when working on appliances.
I have the 3rd gen Fuel impact driver as well as the 3" cutoff tool and the high speed ratchet and my dad has the 1st gen Skil 12V impact driver, drill and the circ saw. I can tell the extra power of my impact driver but honestly his 12V Skil tools have been nothing short of fantastic, specially considering none of his batteries gone bad while 1 out of my 4 M12 batteries recently went south. It was just 3 years old compared to his 4 year old batteries.
Great video. It would be great if you could also do one of the under 12 volt tools. I am thinking specifically about Ryobi 4V and how it stacks up to other brands with similar tools.
DIY newbie here. A year ago couldn't decide between Milwaukee and DeWalt and appreciated both. Decided on Milwaukee M12 Fuel for the compact stuff and DeWalt 20V XR and 60V FlexVolt for the full size, full power stuff. Really happy overall, except for the wallet. (Future plans to further punish my wallet by investing in Ego outdoor power tools for lawncare stuff.)
I say you chose wisely. I'm very bought into Dewalt 20V for my main heavy hitters, but then I started buying Bosch for 12V. This was before Milwaukee really expanded their line and pretty much duplicated everything Bosch has and then some. If I was starting 12V over, then Milwaukee would definitely be my choice now.
Great job, looked like a pretty fair ranking 👍 I tried to stick to one battery system (Ryobi) but I need an electric Revit gun. So Milwaukee got me 🤣 and since then I've also picked up one of their hammer drill/drives and will be replacing my Ryobi tools as they die off.
The 12v Warrior is equal (or slightly more)in power to the discontinued 18v Drill master(still going). Good enough for light duty. Hercules long reach 12v ratchet is great. But that’s all I have of that line. So I can’t say anything about the rest. I agree with your ranking from the testing I have seen.
I LOVE Skil's 12v tools. Bosch is good too but more expensive, especially brushless. And you are totally right about Hercules, I wish they had more 12v options that were brushless.
Milwaukee has major build quality - yes 5 year warranty but you're going to use it and most pros don't want to be down because of broken tools. Love the Bosch because its nicely compact (more so than many of the others but yes, the power is a bit on the low side - I'm okay with that since I'm also using 18v tools as well. Makita is expensive but from my point of view, no one will touch them. I think we forget that for pros, power is a bit over-rated. Meaning, sure you can get 1800 foot pounds to torque of but who really needs that in a 1/2 impact. If you're working on semis, than you're going with a 3/4 drive.
It's not all about build quality. It's about reasons to invest in an entire battery platform. Besides a couple of drills what other 12 volt tools does Festool have? No circular saws, no impact wrenches, no multi tools, no recip saws, no jig saws, no ratchets, no sanders.... Expensive. No lineup. Not easy to find in stores. Not much there to warrant getting into their 12V battery platform. If they had a lineup they would easily be S tier. But they have nothing except 2 versions of 2 drills. The drills may be superb, but the platform is ranked correctly.
Fein used to have a decent 12v line, but apparently they have dropped it. I've got a couple of tools from it, and the build quality is in the same tier as Festool.
Ok, i'm not particulsrly interested in 12 volt, BUT, this was an excelent ranking! What I am interested in is a track saw. I've been holding off in anticipation of Harbor Freight. They must have one coming, right? Like perhaps a Hercules. Any news?
I have Bosch, DeWalt,M12..M12 by far best selection of tools but by FAR DeWalts pack way more of a punch compared to the Bosch’s imo..Bosch has the amazing 12 volt trim router n I love it, also planer and dewalt doesn’t not but dewalt has sds+, bandsaw, impact wrench’s & little circ saw(great tool) oscillating tool too, best selection across almost every trade is Milwaukee by far. Best bang for your. Buck without sacrificing quality or power=SkiL. My personal favorites is probly go Impact driver=Dewalt Hammer Drill =M12 Router=Bosch Oscillating tool = Dewalt & it’s not close(I have dewalt skil n m12) Skil has some very good, albeit mybe little known gems like the auto hammer(great for mechanics or even HVaC, doing floor registers) so between Bosch Milwaukee DeWalt and SkiL u can’t really go wrong depending on what you’re looking for, the hyper tough I’ve tried instantly became gift for my mothers tool collection but they could’ve upgraded so idk just my 2 cents^
i have milwaukee makita and recently skil .love the smoothness of the makita but the lack of power is a shame .feels like makita doesn't care about there customers . why are they not all brushless . i think your review made great sense.
I would definitely flip Dewalt and Makita having used both there is no comparison. Was also thinking warrior was ranked too high, but have never actually tried it so I have to take your word for it.
I agree with your rankings except for ranking the warrior brand higher than the B&D. I bought the warrior drill on the pinch, I only used it to drill 10 holes & screws and it started smoking. It should be ranked last in my opinion.
i have and have tried many of the tool brands and some of the new 12 v stuff just feels "clunky" my favorite and daily use are the old, old, old dewalt 12 volt drill (DC710), screwdriver and impact they ar light, they do most jobs and fit the hand perfectly and believe it or not the batteries still work but if they stop taking a charge i will rebuild them
Respectfully disagree. Solid performance from about three Brushless tools they released last year. Most of their lineup is still underpowered brushed tools and don't forget all their kits come with crappy chargers and all but the impact wrench come with a 1.5Ah battery. I know they're a great buy at that price but that doesn't mean it's A-tier worthy. Skil has solid performance and almost as good price, but it's also got a much more compelling lineup than HT, a 5 yr warranty, an all Brushless lineup and their kits come with decent batteries and quick chargers, so it's hard to put HT in the same ranking based solely on 2 metrics
I probably would have put in A Tier too. It is still early days of a positive brushless transition. They may need to prove themselves before getting A Tier.
@@engineer_alv you can argue that everything 12V is “underpowered”. For the price, it’s A tier performance. The only lineup that beats them is Milwaukee. HT tools beats Skil and all these other brands in performance that cost way more. HT even beats Hart and Ryobi if you compare their 18V tools.
@TheBatman777 I repeat, 3 tools tested and barely beating other brands don't mean A tier performance. The recip saw is average, the multihead driver is average, their cutoff tool is average, their multitool is average, their older 12V tools are below average, they don't offer key tools like a circ saw or sander. They're getting up there in variety but they're still short of A tier for the reasons mentioned. Nobody mentioned 18V/20V
I'll stick with my Hercules. HF everything for me! You can't beat the value and quality combination. Furthermore, you can find a HarborFreight anywhere now. I love my 12V Hercules line, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I wish they were all brushless! I have a suspicious feeling, they are on their way soon!
I would love to find an adapter that lets you use Hercules batteries for Skil tools. Hint hint 3d printer folks. Kinda surprised you left AC Delco off the list
IMO, DeWalt 12V are pointless. They're not cheap enough and they're not sufficiently smaller than the 20V. The only 2 12V lines I would buy are Milwaukee for the smaller size or Skil for the low cost. Bosch are probably good too, but they don't seem to sell them in America anymore unless you order online.
Solid tools, but they have 1/4 the amount of tools and accessories. The other two do can’t see how it would be fair to rank them in the same category especially considering they cost significantly more
@denoftools I respect your opinion, Sir. That's why I'm a fan of your channel. I'm not sure if anyone else is getting this issue, but my milwaukee 12v batteries have been the worst to work with. They die quick, just stop working and it's hard to get them out from the tools, because of their style I guess.
@@NodirSadykov-thebestrealtor I have not had a problem with them dying but I'll be honest I mostly use 4Ah 3rd party batteries. Honestly I'm not a fan of the battery in the handle design anyway.
All of those generic Amazon brands need to flock to an open-source converged battery design. I hate buying into a no-chance-of-a-future battery line. I almost never buy generic Amazon cordless tool deals because of this.
DeWalt's 12V line is good, but it's dumb. They're not much smaller than the 20V. And the 20V are frequently discounted enough to be cheaper. Skil is at least cheaper.
They are good tools but they currently have less tools available, they are twice as expensive, and they only have a 3 year warranty. How is that “Strong”? Based on price point and quality Skil was aiming for a spot in the prosumer market, and they nailed it. Dewalt’s trying to compete with the likes of Milwaukee, Bosch, and Makita while they make Quality Tools at that price point there needs to be a LOT more available for them to be at that same level.
Tool truck power tools are terrible. Rebranded tools that they jack up the price. The tool trucks have spent $0 making good power tools. Worst investment possible.
Bosch an A? Weak tools that pull up bototm of the pack on tests. Bad selection, bad pricing. REALLY😊 bad, weird ergonomics. I mean, their drills and drivers have straight righ🎉t angle handle designs. That's not how human hands work lol. They have a solid, old school weight to them but it is a hair from Black & Decker dead line.
In North America, particularly the US finding Makita is the biggest issue. Years ago i was in spain and went into a large hardware store for giggles and their makita section was about as big a home depots Milwaukee, Rgid, and ryobi put together.
Same while I was in Guam. Local stores had B&D for the home users and Makita galore for the contractors, where as I'd see Dewalt or Milwakuee state side.
Hey DeWALT & Hercules, this is your sign that we NEED more Tools in the 12v lines PLEASE !!!!! but for now I really like SKIL 12v line for the price, in fact with some upgrades to some of their tools they could be competing heavily against Milwaukee, especially for the price point.
I do like that DeWalt released a small 12v circular saw!
Hercules also needs to update some of their normal 20v tools, they have some absolute bangers, but then there are some basic stuff that are complete flops, like their compact impact wrench.
@littlejack59 agree 💯
@@TunaSoda they have several decent tools in the 12v line, circular saw, band saw, ratchet, 1/4 impact, 1/2 or 3/8 impact wrench 🔧, really nice oscillating tool, reciprocating saw 🪚, & SDS hammer 🔨 drill, they just don't have near as many as some of these other brands & if they did they probably would be in the S category, me personally like their 1/4 impact better than the Milwaukee.
totally agree that I really love the Skil line. I'm rather surprised that Ryobi hasn't done more in this area. They have those 4.2v tools but I don't think much of them at all
I got into the Skil 12v line 3 years ago with a Lowes Black Friday deal. Its been amazing. It was to replace the Black and Decker 20v drill I had been using for everything for probably 5 years before that. It does everything I have needed around my little 3 acre property. DIY projects, chicken coop repairs, pruning tree's etc. My son no longer feels the need to bring his Makita 18v stuff with him when he's doing things here.
I actually like my old brushed 12v Dewalt, it's my go-to for screws, and I have the new brushless version and a ton of the 20v stuff lol
I own Milwaukee in 12 volt, a couple of of dewalt, and 20 years worth of ryobi. But I have a full set of Makita in 12 & 18 volt. I worked on industrial equipment and loved them. My experience with Makita batteries is a major part of my loyalty. Now that I’m retired I’m stocking up on Makita lawn and garden.
I made the switch years ago to Milwaukee and haven’t been disappointed. I also have some Bosch that I really like too. Your list looks pretty spot on to me!
Love my Milwaukee M12's. The Fuel line leaves all others in the dust!
I like my M12 driver and drill but they are the same size as the regular ones lol
it also leaves your wallet with nothing but dust. No seriously, I may will go into the Milwaukee line the moment the become more consistent with their prices. They will have a kit with 2 batteries, a very powerful tool, and a charger for around $100. Then you try to buy a battery separately, and it's $80. Their 12v line is absolutely the best out there, but god, I hate those prices.
@@littlejack59 Skil is catching up to them in term of quality for the price 💵
More of these types of videos please, it’s always interesting to know how the brands truly compare to one another.
Cant complain about your ranking. I bought that Skil kit and its the best 150 bucks i ever spent. Ive bought a couple more Skil 12v tools since then and everything is great.
This might be my sign to upgrade the Black & Decker tools I got almost 10 years ago as gifts when buying my first home
I am never disappointed when I invest in Milwaukee cordless tools. Wish they had a better price point but I understand. Sure would be nice if Harbor Freight would expand their 12v line of tools. Been happy with my Bauer 20V tools and always wondered why they did not have Bauer 12v line.
I have Skil and Bosch 12v stuff. I think the Skil stuff is still highly underrated and overlooked.
I find myself grabbing my Hercules 12v impact driver most of the time because it's so much lighter than my 20v stuff and does most jobs just fine.
I love my 12v Bosch! Not to mention I was able to get the brushed one handed recip, drill and work light for $69 at TSC last year on clearance! Plus charger and 2 batteries.
I got all my Bosch 12V tools at Lowe’s on clearance, too. Great bang for the buck.
Got my first Bosch 12v as the screwdriver back in the mid 2000s. They were revolutionary at the time. I have been heavy in the line ever since. I have almost everything. There are a few I just can't justify.
I’ve been looking at getting Skil 12V tools. Good to hear that you have confidence in them.
I'm very happy with my 12 volt Skil. Very good tools!
I wish Harbor Freight would come out with die grinders (straight and right angle) in Hercules in 12V.
I have the 20v Herc Die Grinder, it's bulky but a beast of a tool.
They are in March!
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Have whole line of 12v skil and I really enjoy them..Some of the newer stuff uses 12 or 20v batteries like drain snake and the flip drill. Flip drill I have been using for drapes and blinds and replacing old lock sets.
I bought a few of the Workpro 12 Volt tools, but I moved to Hyper Tough because HT has brushless models.
I love skil! Best bang for the buck. Been singing their praises
I concur. They have really stepped up their game with new ownership. I hope they keep expanding their 12V line.
So, B is the new C? 🤠
The only Milwaukee M12 stuff I have is the 3/8” ratchet and the mini chainsaw tree trimmer. Both are wonderful and Home Depot always has such terrific Black Friday sales, especially the kits, that I seriously considered some but didn’t really have a use for them since all my other electric stuff is in their M20 lineup.
Keep in mind that jumping into the Bosch 12V line gives you access to a wide selection of power tools. But also a large selection of measuring and detection tools. Line, Combo and Three Plane lasers, Thermal Cameras and inspection cameras. Plus their heated outerwear.
I had no idea that Makita even had a 12v line.
The toggle switch on Snap On drivers are amazing. Would be nice to see it on other brands.
I really like my Dewalt 12v tools, size and power tackles most jobs I do. I chose Dewalt 12v primarily because I already have Dewalt 20v tools and the chargers do both. When I started buying the 12v tools, Lowes was running deals, buy the tool and get a free 12v 5ah battery. Like you said, I wish there were a more variety of tools. Back in the day my job gave us those old style 12v tools and they were clunky compared to the new line.
As 12v tools go, I've got a couple of Skil ratchets. Both are heavy and feel well-built. My Skil RW5763 3/8 ratchet w/ 55 ft-lbs torque @$100 (with battery and charger) puts my 18v Makita XRW01 w/ 35 ft-lbs torque @around $130 (tool only) to shame. The Skil is a beast, it's about 2" longer and weighs 5 pounds (according to Amazon) and 3 pounds heavier than the Makita. The plus on the Makita side: It has a much smaller head and body to get in tighter places. I really don't need to justify the Makita, as it was a free tool with a Home Depot Makita battery package deal some time back.
Also the Skil RW5763 would make for a fine melee weapon, should you not have a baseball bat handy. :)
For basic tools those hyper tough are decent. Even better when you find them with a yellow tag. The 4ah and especially 6ah are powerful. I have to agree about low b tier. If they end up having a good track record they might sneak their way into tier b.
I’m a woodworker and I have both M18 and M12 tools and grab the M12 drill and impact driver 90% of the time also have many other M12 tools. I’m a Milwaukee fan boy for nearly 50 years as a contractor (now retired) still have some of my earliest tools. The new tools I do not expect the same durability.
Love all my DeWalt 12V tools !!
@@rickmaudlin2160 yes, just need more of them 👍🏼
No complaints from an advanced diy guy with hyper tough
I have both 20v dewalt and 12v milwaukee. The 12v milwaukee is great especially on the multitool and cordless ratchet
Milwaukee and Skil 12v tools have both been excellent for me! I do a lot of small repairs for people and have found that Skil 12v tools have worked flawlessly for me for the last 5 years that I've had them (I have 8 of their tools). Finally got the M12 impact driver and the drill last month because I needed something more compact then the Skil 12v driver and drill for my compact tool bag and am very happy with them as well! I don't feel like I need to replace any other Skil tools with Milwaukee since they do all I need and more, but having the more compact drill and driver has made it easier to carry and get into tight spaces, such as when working on appliances.
I have the 3rd gen Fuel impact driver as well as the 3" cutoff tool and the high speed ratchet and my dad has the 1st gen Skil 12V impact driver, drill and the circ saw. I can tell the extra power of my impact driver but honestly his 12V Skil tools have been nothing short of fantastic, specially considering none of his batteries gone bad while 1 out of my 4 M12 batteries recently went south. It was just 3 years old compared to his 4 year old batteries.
Great video. It would be great if you could also do one of the under 12 volt tools. I am thinking specifically about Ryobi 4V and how it stacks up to other brands with similar tools.
Tool Bear back with another video
Matco has been carrying milwaukee for about 2 years now but they still seem to sell their own
I could be stepping into a bear trap, but I'm surprised there's now mention of Ryobi...I have several and am very satisfied with their performance.
DIY newbie here. A year ago couldn't decide between Milwaukee and DeWalt and appreciated both. Decided on Milwaukee M12 Fuel for the compact stuff and DeWalt 20V XR and 60V FlexVolt for the full size, full power stuff. Really happy overall, except for the wallet. (Future plans to further punish my wallet by investing in Ego outdoor power tools for lawncare stuff.)
I say you chose wisely. I'm very bought into Dewalt 20V for my main heavy hitters, but then I started buying Bosch for 12V. This was before Milwaukee really expanded their line and pretty much duplicated everything Bosch has and then some. If I was starting 12V over, then Milwaukee would definitely be my choice now.
Great job, looked like a pretty fair ranking 👍 I tried to stick to one battery system (Ryobi) but I need an electric Revit gun. So Milwaukee got me 🤣 and since then I've also picked up one of their hammer drill/drives and will be replacing my Ryobi tools as they die off.
The 12v Warrior is equal (or slightly more)in power to the discontinued 18v Drill master(still going). Good enough for light duty. Hercules long reach 12v ratchet is great. But that’s all I have of that line. So I can’t say anything about the rest. I agree with your ranking from the testing I have seen.
I love the long reach ratchets and I also use the screwdriver, that's a great tool. But they need to update the whole line.
I LOVE Skil's 12v tools. Bosch is good too but more expensive, especially brushless. And you are totally right about Hercules, I wish they had more 12v options that were brushless.
Actually agree with selection.
God speed.
Milwaukee has major build quality - yes 5 year warranty but you're going to use it and most pros don't want to be down because of broken tools. Love the Bosch because its nicely compact (more so than many of the others but yes, the power is a bit on the low side - I'm okay with that since I'm also using 18v tools as well. Makita is expensive but from my point of view, no one will touch them. I think we forget that for pros, power is a bit over-rated. Meaning, sure you can get 1800 foot pounds to torque of but who really needs that in a 1/2 impact. If you're working on semis, than you're going with a 3/4 drive.
Love my Bosch drill and impact driver. I wish they had a ratchet.
Ive had the m12 combo brushed and its great but I just got the skil. It is awesome. 5 tool combo for $79
I own 3 Festool CXS drills and best quality hands down. One of them is six years old. Putting it on the C category and Walmart in B is ridiculous!
It's not all about build quality. It's about reasons to invest in an entire battery platform.
Besides a couple of drills what other 12 volt tools does Festool have? No circular saws, no impact wrenches, no multi tools, no recip saws, no jig saws, no ratchets, no sanders....
Expensive. No lineup. Not easy to find in stores. Not much there to warrant getting into their 12V battery platform.
If they had a lineup they would easily be S tier. But they have nothing except 2 versions of 2 drills. The drills may be superb, but the platform is ranked correctly.
As ST-0311 pointed out there is more then just the quality of the tool, I even put the list on screen at the beginning of the video.
Fein used to have a decent 12v line, but apparently they have dropped it. I've got a couple of tools from it, and the build quality is in the same tier as Festool.
Ok, i'm not particulsrly interested in 12 volt, BUT, this was an excelent ranking!
What I am interested in is a track saw.
I've been holding off in anticipation of Harbor Freight. They must have one coming, right?
Like perhaps a Hercules.
Any news?
I know they have been developing one but no word on a release date. I'd be surprised if it came out before 2026
I have Bosch, DeWalt,M12..M12 by far best selection of tools but by FAR DeWalts pack way more of a punch compared to the Bosch’s imo..Bosch has the amazing 12 volt trim router n I love it, also planer and dewalt doesn’t not but dewalt has sds+, bandsaw, impact wrench’s & little circ saw(great tool) oscillating tool too, best selection across almost every trade is Milwaukee by far. Best bang for your. Buck without sacrificing quality or power=SkiL.
My personal favorites is probly go
Impact driver=Dewalt
Hammer Drill =M12
Router=Bosch
Oscillating tool = Dewalt & it’s not close(I have dewalt skil n m12)
Skil has some very good, albeit mybe little known gems like the auto hammer(great for mechanics or even HVaC, doing floor registers) so between Bosch Milwaukee DeWalt and SkiL u can’t really go wrong depending on what you’re looking for, the hyper tough I’ve tried instantly became gift for my mothers tool collection but they could’ve upgraded so idk just my 2 cents^
i have milwaukee makita and recently skil .love the smoothness of the makita but the lack of power is a shame .feels like makita doesn't care about there customers . why are they not all brushless . i think your review made great sense.
I've had a 12v Bosch drill that I've had for 12 years. I can smell the start of the smoke being let out, so it's due for replacement.
I would definitely flip Dewalt and Makita having used both there is no comparison. Was also thinking warrior was ranked too high, but have never actually tried it so I have to take your word for it.
The warrior is only that high due to it's availability.
Metabo has a decent selection of 12v, but they're very expensive and hard to find
I agree with your rankings except for ranking the warrior brand higher than the B&D. I bought the warrior drill on the pinch, I only used it to drill 10 holes & screws and it started smoking. It should be ranked last in my opinion.
I totally agree with the quality, only ranked to higher due to availability
I have the lower teir of the milwaukee 12v drill/ driver set got the drimmel type tool and the multi tool in the fuel line love the 12v line
I love my m12 stuff
Hey Bear, you gonna talk about the Skil recall?
First I've heard of it. Thanks for the heads up, I put up a post in the community section.
i have and have tried many of the tool brands and some of the new 12 v stuff just feels "clunky" my favorite and daily use are the old, old, old dewalt 12 volt drill (DC710), screwdriver and impact they ar light, they do most jobs and fit the hand perfectly and believe it or not the batteries still work but if they stop taking a charge i will rebuild them
Hyper Tough should be A tier based on price alone and solid performance. Particularly in the wrenches and ratchets. They are solid.
Respectfully disagree. Solid performance from about three Brushless tools they released last year. Most of their lineup is still underpowered brushed tools and don't forget all their kits come with crappy chargers and all but the impact wrench come with a 1.5Ah battery. I know they're a great buy at that price but that doesn't mean it's A-tier worthy.
Skil has solid performance and almost as good price, but it's also got a much more compelling lineup than HT, a 5 yr warranty, an all Brushless lineup and their kits come with decent batteries and quick chargers, so it's hard to put HT in the same ranking based solely on 2 metrics
I probably would have put in A Tier too. It is still early days of a positive brushless transition. They may need to prove themselves before getting A Tier.
@@engineer_alv you can argue that everything 12V is “underpowered”. For the price, it’s A tier performance. The only lineup that beats them is Milwaukee. HT tools beats Skil and all these other brands in performance that cost way more. HT even beats Hart and Ryobi if you compare their 18V tools.
@TheBatman777 I repeat, 3 tools tested and barely beating other brands don't mean A tier performance. The recip saw is average, the multihead driver is average, their cutoff tool is average, their multitool is average, their older 12V tools are below average, they don't offer key tools like a circ saw or sander. They're getting up there in variety but they're still short of A tier for the reasons mentioned.
Nobody mentioned 18V/20V
I'll stick with my Hercules. HF everything for me! You can't beat the value and quality combination. Furthermore, you can find a HarborFreight anywhere now. I love my 12V Hercules line, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I wish they were all brushless! I have a suspicious feeling, they are on their way soon!
I would love to find an adapter that lets you use Hercules batteries for Skil tools. Hint hint 3d printer folks.
Kinda surprised you left AC Delco off the list
I believe you meant to say the mac looks alot like the dewalt and not the black and decker but still proceed
What about Ryobi?
Ryobi no longer does 12V
Where's ryobi? Did I miss it?
Ryobi doesn’t have a 12 V system
Were was Ryobi?
Ryobi no longer does 12V
got a black n decker drill for christmas a few years ago, couldn't drive a screw in my wall... trash
Snap On 14.4 ratchets are made in USA
Matco dealers sell Milwaukee tools.
I like your take on this, but warrior, hercules, and hyper power have to each move down one row...
"A while ago we did the 20 V power tool rankings."
Yes that is exactly what I am looking for, but I don't see that video, can you point me to it?
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Dewalt went from S to A because of lack of 12v tools. then went to B for what?
Poor color coordination?
Lack of options
Lack of selection, top tier pricing, and poor warranty, only 3 years and DW has a bad track record when it comes to warranty service.
IMO, DeWalt 12V are pointless. They're not cheap enough and they're not sufficiently smaller than the 20V. The only 2 12V lines I would buy are Milwaukee for the smaller size or Skil for the low cost. Bosch are probably good too, but they don't seem to sell them in America anymore unless you order online.
It's hard to justify the Dewalt 12v when the 20V Dewalt Atomics are nearly the same size and so good.
Your tier colors are literally backwards.
Tell that to tiermaker
The Milwaukee M12 is (or was) my huge go to. But they lost me with their new generation tools with stupidly huge and uncomfortable grips .
I really think dewalt should have been in A group.. its definitely not less than Makita and skill. Other than that i agree with the others.
Solid tools, but they have 1/4 the amount of tools and accessories. The other two do can’t see how it would be fair to rank them in the same category especially considering they cost significantly more
@denoftools I respect your opinion, Sir. That's why I'm a fan of your channel.
I'm not sure if anyone else is getting this issue, but my milwaukee 12v batteries have been the worst to work with. They die quick, just stop working and it's hard to get them out from the tools, because of their style I guess.
@@NodirSadykov-thebestrealtor I have not had a problem with them dying but I'll be honest I mostly use 4Ah 3rd party batteries. Honestly I'm not a fan of the battery in the handle design anyway.
All of those generic Amazon brands need to flock to an open-source converged battery design. I hate buying into a no-chance-of-a-future battery line. I almost never buy generic Amazon cordless tool deals because of this.
Only thing I really strongly disagree with is Dewalt , no way and I mean NO WAY they are sitting lower than Skill. Their 12volt line is strong
Agreed!
Yep
DeWalt's 12V line is good, but it's dumb. They're not much smaller than the 20V. And the 20V are frequently discounted enough to be cheaper. Skil is at least cheaper.
They are good tools but they currently have less tools available, they are twice as expensive, and they only have a 3 year warranty. How is that “Strong”? Based on price point and quality Skil was aiming for a spot in the prosumer market, and they nailed it. Dewalt’s trying to compete with the likes of Milwaukee, Bosch, and Makita while they make Quality Tools at that price point there needs to be a LOT more available for them to be at that same level.
No ryobi
They dropped their 12v line.
Tool truck power tools are terrible. Rebranded tools that they jack up the price. The tool trucks have spent $0 making good power tools. Worst investment possible.
dewalt’s a B….
Bosch an A? Weak tools that pull up bototm of the pack on tests. Bad selection, bad pricing. REALLY😊 bad, weird ergonomics. I mean, their drills and drivers have straight righ🎉t angle handle designs. That's not how human hands work lol. They have a solid, old school weight to them but it is a hair from Black & Decker dead line.
SKIL is underrated for sure. Great price, great batteries, lots of cool tools. Really LOUD though. Good bang for the buck.