Metal Shaping: Project Talbot-Lago

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  • @angusmackay7281
    @angusmackay7281 2 роки тому +49

    Hands down the best channel on UA-cam. I could watch Wray all day. A master craftsman with humility and humour.

  • @charlesgallimore6611
    @charlesgallimore6611 Рік тому +1

    Wray
    I am 73 yrs old. I absolutely appreciate you sharing your knowledge! God blessed you with a talent that's perfection

  • @mikehiggins8673
    @mikehiggins8673 2 роки тому +3

    The mark of a master is they make their work look effortless. Whenever a master says, “Anybody can do this part, it’s easy”-stay humble. His easy was paid for with decades of work.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +1

      The front fender will be made from about 8 panels when completed. My students, Gilles has made 5 of the panels so far, Kurt, made one and Shane made one, I made one. It is almost ready to weld together now. The students work is exceptional and equal to my quality. They all had either zero English wheel or very little shaping experience before my class.

    • @mikehiggins8673
      @mikehiggins8673 2 роки тому +1

      @@proshaper that’s amazing. I’m still in awe of your skills.

  • @chuckeecheese162
    @chuckeecheese162 2 роки тому +5

    Unreal craftsmanship

  • @charlesirby9222
    @charlesirby9222 2 роки тому +1

    You are truly an ‘Old Skool’ Craftsman with your desire to pass the skills along.
    I’m 72 and I know of what I see!

  • @jonathanbrogdon9067
    @jonathanbrogdon9067 2 роки тому +7

    They say those who can't teach....but!!! your a teacher and a doer thanks for the videos I've learned alot from you and enjoy every video keep em coming!

  • @steveshepard
    @steveshepard 2 роки тому +7

    As a fellow sufferer of ADD, I support your decision to jump to the more appealing project.

  • @georgef1176
    @georgef1176 2 роки тому +2

    Those patterns are awesome!! I gotta get some. Wray your amazing, I live a hour or so away from you, I gotta come visit your beautiful shop one day.

  • @edwardtaylor4785
    @edwardtaylor4785 2 роки тому +2

    WOW!! A marathon. You didn't take a break, but I did. Great content and something new an SHINY.

  • @haztutaki2433
    @haztutaki2433 Рік тому

    What a awesome talent to have and so much pride skill and patients. Now days you just order the panels bolt it all back on again and send it out the door. But what you do is just pure joy to watch thank you for sharing your skill.

  • @chriszucker7500
    @chriszucker7500 2 роки тому +13

    Wray...this video, for me, goes on my "Top Shelf" of metal shaping references that I know I will watch over and over again. Thank you so much for committing the extra time and effort to share your craft!!

  • @mariomuz8
    @mariomuz8 2 роки тому +2

    thank you for teaching the next generation

  • @CarterAutoRestyling
    @CarterAutoRestyling 2 роки тому +8

    Excellent video, I agree with you about 1930s cars, I was born in '91, but have always been drawn to cars of the '30s. This is very educational to watch, I enjoyed hearing all the bits of philosophy and information as you were shaping the panel! Looking forward to watching more on the Talbot Lago and any other projects you tackle.

  • @65jcbc
    @65jcbc 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks Wray from Kearney, Mo.!

  • @rossilake3430
    @rossilake3430 2 роки тому +1

    Wray, We can make your channel a drinking game. One gulp for every time you say: STUMP. I’m loving your video’s. I have been intimate with cars (British cars) all my life. I’m a home machinist and specialize in the mechanicals and anything electric. Not much of a body man, rarely are WE both. Now I know why those XKE/XKSS Alum coach’s ( Body’s) are so expensive. No gimmicks here, just a lot of hard work. Ross

  • @fabone8887
    @fabone8887 2 роки тому +10

    This is my go to channel during those long hours in the middle of the night. Have gone back and watched episodes time and again only to find even more information. incredible channel. Thank you.

  • @jeffreysmith2460
    @jeffreysmith2460 2 роки тому +4

    30 yr body man , done plenty of restoration’s. Your skills are on a totally different level. I watch all kinds of videos, Learn something every time I watch your videos, I’ve watched them all multiple times. Love your flexible shape pattern!

  • @dougsmith1622
    @dougsmith1622 10 місяців тому +1

    I used a pattern making method inspired by yours, (I used blue masking tape, and baking flour to kill the adhesive). I used it to fashion a new aluminum grill for my 72 Alfa Romeo spider. I used the blue tape, because I didn’t have the materials to try your exact method. It turned out perfect, weighs 700 grams less than the original, and keeps the pretty look of the original. Thank you a thousand times.

  • @R.A.K.W.
    @R.A.K.W. 2 роки тому +5

    Videos like this are solid gold. Metal shaping instruction, history, expert opinion and entertainment in one place. Invaluable. Thank you Wray and Erik.

  • @jonathanwiggill8242
    @jonathanwiggill8242 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you for teaching your knowledge so carefully and precisely Ray. Truly grateful.

  • @kenspooner7192
    @kenspooner7192 2 роки тому +7

    I'm Speechless , this is the first time I've seen you work at your craft. As someone who has been in love with the '37 Talbot Lago teardrop for over 65 of my 75 years , ( I came close to getting one of George's in 1991) , I'm thrilled that you are working with Gilles to take things to the limit. All the best to both of you.

  • @cliffwill
    @cliffwill 2 роки тому +3

    i really like the longer video format. one of your best.

  • @rwcarrinvestmentco.3167
    @rwcarrinvestmentco.3167 2 роки тому +5

    Another great video. The long ones that show the little details are terrific, and the commentary about historical facts, tools, other areas of shaping, and why you do things the way you do is an excellent touch. Edu-tainment

  • @gregm8262
    @gregm8262 2 роки тому +4

    This is the one channel I’ll make time to watch from bell to bell. I’ve learned more about moving metal on this channel than any other. I’m in awe…. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with your You Tube family….
    Greg

  • @richardross7219
    @richardross7219 9 місяців тому +1

    Nice. I just realized where I saw that car before. It was 14 years ago when I took my Boy Scout Troop to the Centennial Jamboree in VA. The car was in an auto museum with one of the caverns in the Shenandoah Valley. They had it labelled as a 1936 Bugatti. It was stunning. There was also a Hispano. Good video. Good Luck, Rick

  • @camwelch9948
    @camwelch9948 2 роки тому +5

    Great to see Wray evolving the process. I came down to the shop a few years ago, it was well worth it.

  • @nordsturm9376
    @nordsturm9376 Рік тому

    I remember not too long ago that Wray's videos barely garnered 40 likes. It's funny how so many people discovered this channel.

  • @stevenpatriquin3188
    @stevenpatriquin3188 2 роки тому +2

    nice work thankyou ,im a bodyman for 45 years in canada and i have built some nice stuff,many frist place winners at world of wheels but im never to old to enjoy this kind of work,I will come visit you in the next year or two,I will tune in next week ,take care.

  • @steveanderson9718
    @steveanderson9718 Рік тому +1

    Great Video on metal shaping..... a lotta good tricks and tips.... An education to watch It
    From what I can gather only 18 of these Teardrops were ever built... The last one sold for $13.5 Million..!! the high side of Kool...!!

  • @bstevermer9293
    @bstevermer9293 2 роки тому +2

    I’m buckled in for this ride!

  • @thehaze1972
    @thehaze1972 2 роки тому +3

    First the Transporter 3 launch and now the Talbot-Lago project at Pro Shaper, evening saved! Well actually it is the middle of the night so I'll keep watching tomorrow. Be interesting to follow this project. 👍

  • @paulwhiteman3625
    @paulwhiteman3625 2 роки тому +3

    Yeah, great video and thanks for all the work you guys do making them. They’ll help future metal shapers for generations to come.

  • @lawncuttingplusdelta
    @lawncuttingplusdelta 2 роки тому +2

    Wray you are a great craftsman and teacher …….

  • @dannyzuko1843
    @dannyzuko1843 2 роки тому +3

    You are on your game in this video. This is one of your best, if not your best so far. The narration was superb. So much information shared as you worked. Wish I could give more than one thumbs up.

  • @kafkastrial8650
    @kafkastrial8650 Рік тому +1

    Undoubted artistry and skill !

  • @jamaicanartist1
    @jamaicanartist1 Рік тому +1

    Excellent metalworking skills..Thank you for this video

  • @rowycoracing
    @rowycoracing Рік тому +1

    Very nice result for a couple of hours of work!

  • @keithlanning7381
    @keithlanning7381 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for all you give us !!!!

  • @donbell8187
    @donbell8187 2 роки тому +5

    Excellent demonstration and instruction. Remarkable methodology.

  • @aliasproductions81
    @aliasproductions81 2 роки тому +3

    I think I'm going to call them shrinking fixtures...facilitator seems to fancy for me. Some fixtures just might happen to be formed to a stump size for the more Egyptian-esk size shapes I may need to make in the future...awesome video btw I'm learning so much! Ty Wray!

    • @aliasproductions81
      @aliasproductions81 2 роки тому +1

      On second thought...shrinking blocks, not fixtures. Thanks again Wray

  • @denwiessimo6088
    @denwiessimo6088 Рік тому

    Thumb up, although it's not my profession and I didn't see the whole video. What a joy to see that you teach your trade to the next generation.

  • @jamesriesenberger1722
    @jamesriesenberger1722 Рік тому +1

    How absolutely sweet!

  • @terje6810
    @terje6810 2 роки тому +2

    nice work Wray...you are the best!

  • @danstephensen9032
    @danstephensen9032 2 роки тому +1

    AMAZING PATIENCE ~ ~ ~ and your Skills are WORLD Class!!,

  • @chrisspelic4402
    @chrisspelic4402 2 роки тому +1

    Wow another cool design. Simple tools and cool designs.... the master of disaster. Please keep it coming.... metal is clay

  • @russellr1677
    @russellr1677 2 роки тому +3

    Superb metalwork Wray - masterfully done.

  • @Callmenobody174
    @Callmenobody174 2 роки тому +1

    First time seeing your videos. Liked and subscribed and can't wait to see more!

  • @jc8417
    @jc8417 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for sharing the fundamentals

  • @cajiapgto1298
    @cajiapgto1298 2 роки тому +3

    Great video.....solid metalworking techniques!

  • @66customsnj
    @66customsnj 2 роки тому +2

    Gonna be awesome like always Wray! Thanks for the content

  • @kaktusadas622
    @kaktusadas622 2 роки тому +1

    Hello, masterful work, and a beautiful car, I wish you satisfaction with the projects.

  • @joewolf4483
    @joewolf4483 2 роки тому +1

    Another excellent video.... that hour and a half seemed to fly by.... waiting for the next one...great job

  • @michaelanderson3771
    @michaelanderson3771 2 роки тому +2

    Wray
    If you over develop the area value whilst wheeling - How you you shrink that back?
    Do you wheel upside-down or heat shrink?
    Love how you show the way and as you say creep up on it as patience is king.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +1

      On the next panel I do I will address over development.

    • @michaelanderson3771
      @michaelanderson3771 2 роки тому

      @@proshaper thanks Wray.
      Was not sure what to do if the stretch went too far. And did not want to start all over again.
      You constantly day metal is clay just needing som tips to correct mistakes for over development, and how to recover

  • @therepublicofspeed7513
    @therepublicofspeed7513 6 місяців тому

    this is magical to watch, Brilliant!

  • @cvicracer
    @cvicracer Рік тому +1

    Simply awesome

  • @billweir6770
    @billweir6770 2 роки тому +2

    Always brilliant content. I'm late into metal shaping and more into restoration of vintage tractors which don't really have the complex shapes you work on. That said I've been using your ides and developing my skills along the way. Thanks for sharing your skills

  • @richardjones3112
    @richardjones3112 2 роки тому +1

    Superb.You explain so well.

  • @pouyan225
    @pouyan225 2 роки тому +1

    The best channel! Thanks!

  • @dougwernham5209
    @dougwernham5209 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent tutorial thanks Wray

  • @algonzalez8798
    @algonzalez8798 2 роки тому +2

    excellent work!

  • @staypositive6984
    @staypositive6984 2 роки тому +2

    Good job brother👍

  • @mikedeal8659
    @mikedeal8659 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks Wray. This was a great video to because it went from beginning to end. Really showed the benefits of having the flexible shape pattern. I’m still not completely sure why you had to cut a inch off the pattern in the beginning though. As much as I liked this video I hope to see some more on the Healey ...

  • @Marhelloo
    @Marhelloo 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks! I appreciate it.

  • @dh2360
    @dh2360 2 роки тому +1

    Masterful metal working skills!

  • @vaccumme
    @vaccumme 2 роки тому

    When I was in my early 20's. I met Jack Hegamenn at his home. It was very nice of him to show us his Shop and the Car's.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      I'm not familiar with Jack Hegamenn???

    • @vaccumme
      @vaccumme 2 роки тому +1

      He was a Metal Shaper from WW2 who settled in Alamo Ca. and hand built many different types of Cars, Hot Rods, Race Cars and Planes from scratch. I got to see his Porsche Spyder that was hand built close up. It is outstanding. Some of his work was in the Oakland Car Shows at the Coliseum. He passed away on Dec 6 2010 at 94 years old. It was an honor to visit him at his Shop behind his Home. His Son Jack junior is currently building just like his Dad did.

  • @josephfilm73
    @josephfilm73 2 роки тому

    Fascinating. Thanks for filming this. Great workmanship. You're like Norm from New Yankee Workshop except with cars!!

  • @brucebell6020
    @brucebell6020 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much

  • @Joe.Doucette
    @Joe.Doucette 2 роки тому +2

    Hello Wray. You replied to a comment and mentioned a "cake froster"...
    What you do is greater precision and higher quality rather than ease and speed. The two should not be compared.
    It's much easier and faster to frost a cake to make it appear good than it is to bake one in the right shape in the first place. And it takes a lot less tools and talent. A good "frosting spreader" and a grinder are the main tools. Welders, hammers, dollies, wheeling and planishing machines aren't free (even home made), sadly
    .
    As for numbers of viewers... I believe many people today don't have the interest and therefore won't take the time to watch a video that is teaching precision methods. Instant gratification/entertainment and all that rot.
    To think that there are 44 thousand of us (so far) who are interested enough to subscribe shows that the art isn't dead yet. It also shows that we appreciate you teaching about the patience and precision of the old coach-building processes with your spin and interpretation of same. But we are fewer in number so the frosting channels will have more viewers.
    It's true that there is a time and a place for everything though. If you can't bake to perfection yet you still want a cake and can't afford to hire someone... then spread on the frosting. Once you put the paint/sprinkles on... many people won't know or care how much frosting there is. Consider many of the well known customs of decades ago. Lots of frosting there (some in lead and some in body fillers). Sigh.
    In the time it took to watch this impressive video someone could have frosted and eaten a lot of cake. ;)
    I like your methods better but I'm retired and have the time and interest. That's why I subscribed. :)

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +1

      I always fall back to the quote DaVinci supposedly wrote.
      There are those that see, those that have to be told to see, and those that don't see. It is universal in all of the arts, drek is rewarded more often than not.

    • @Joe.Doucette
      @Joe.Doucette 2 роки тому +2

      @@proshaper And he knew how to see....
      Have a great day.

  • @shanedoyle1057
    @shanedoyle1057 2 роки тому +2

    Was waiting for you to start this one 👍😊

  • @briansheldon7359
    @briansheldon7359 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent video! I'm interested in how you determined to best way to divide the panel into individual flexible shape patterns.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +2

      A lot of it is human scale. You can only work a panel so big. I will cover this in the next video.

  • @65jcbc
    @65jcbc 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome!!!

  • @Ricopolico
    @Ricopolico 2 роки тому +1

    I've seen photos of Teardrop Talbots for decades; always thought a Bugatti Alantic was cooler. I finally got to see them side by side in real life. I couldn't take my eyes off the Talbot, it was as if the Bugatti never existed.

  • @danreagoso3939
    @danreagoso3939 2 роки тому +3

    Watching your programs are contagious leaving you to ask more questions so hear goes! On this Talbot car IS/ are there any plans for a frame and suspension and motor being considered ? Hope the snow does not hamper your shop to bad.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +4

      Gilles owns the Talbo company. I am helping him get it to the next level with aluminum bodies. 22 fiberglass Talbos were built with a Ford modular V-8. The cars were only sold as turn key cars. They have a unique frame designed by the original owner of the company. Gilles wants to make electric powered versions.

  • @JorgewashingtonAndradest-zc2px
    @JorgewashingtonAndradest-zc2px 9 місяців тому +1

    Buen trabajo excelente el modelo de la que pule la pieza ECUADOR LA MITAD DEL MUNDO

  • @mikestrang6229
    @mikestrang6229 2 роки тому +3

    this is probably how the original Talbot Lago's were made.

  • @robcrowley9
    @robcrowley9 2 роки тому +1

    Recently discovered and subscribed! Amazing content. I need to tackle some Karmann Ghia body work. When you made your cardboard gauge at about 6:00 in, can I suggest a carpentry trick of scribing the pattern? Rough it in like you did so you are within 1/8" or so, then lay a pencil flat on the body and scribe the pattern to the cardboard. Trim to that line.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      Thanks, I use the technique you described always, but maybe not in this video.😁😁😁

  • @mysteriousstranger239
    @mysteriousstranger239 2 роки тому +2

    great videos

  • @michaelbalch9693
    @michaelbalch9693 2 роки тому +2

    Wray, will the Talbot-Lago panels require a Superleggera or other under-body structure for support? Wonderful education you’re providing!!

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, it will have a superleggera inner structure. The originals were wood inner structure.

  • @dannyzuko1843
    @dannyzuko1843 2 роки тому +2

    Maybe you could quantify how much tape is used to make the flexible shape patterns for the Talbot. That way we can get an idea of how far one kit from your store will go.

    • @TheInsaneShecklador
      @TheInsaneShecklador 2 роки тому

      Good point.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      My kit that I sell has three rolls of the low stick, three rolls of the fiberglass reinforced, and three rolls of the fine line. The kit will do the whole fender and probably the grille shell too.

  • @markgiles8527
    @markgiles8527 Рік тому

    To think if we learnt this we could then make the car of our dreams. I would like to start learning.

  • @stephengent9974
    @stephengent9974 Рік тому +1

    Of course in fifties Europe austerity was still the thing. Older designs prevailed. Loved the XK 120

  • @leetelford9768
    @leetelford9768 2 роки тому +2

    One down 59 more to go great 👍 job

  • @matthewmoilanen787
    @matthewmoilanen787 2 роки тому +2

    Nice job Wray, okay you can take a break now.

  • @ltseven
    @ltseven 2 роки тому +2

    Looks like you’ve done this a time or two Wray

  • @saltpilotspeedshop3030
    @saltpilotspeedshop3030 10 місяців тому

    Great video, where can I see you tip that edge or something similar?
    Thank you,
    Mike

  • @williambasinger5859
    @williambasinger5859 2 роки тому +3

    I have a question about the delrin end tips of the hammer. Delrin is a really slick plastic. Would nylon tips be a bit more grippy and maybe allow the hammer to make deeper dents?

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      Delrin holds up very well.

  • @glassdave
    @glassdave 2 роки тому +1

    going to be a fun project to watch, Figoni/Falaschi and Saoutchik were always some of my faves although i have to say the 37 Hartmann V16 Cadillac is my all time fave. I am curious though how accurate and symmetrical were the original bodies on these bespoke one off coach built cars? Were they as finely and perfectly made as some of the Concourse level restorations of today? Keep up the fantastic vids, thanks for taking the time to do them as im sure you are a busy guy.

  • @Poindexters-Obsession
    @Poindexters-Obsession 10 місяців тому +1

    You seem to have experience with all the tools. Would you happen to have a list of tools in your head ranked by the proportion of how much time or effort they save versus how much they cost. (Time or effort saving awesomeness)/(cost) categorized by types of tasks. Im curious where money goes the furthest, or where its absolutely required for homebrew coach building.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  10 місяців тому +1

      Watch my new video series on scratch-building the AI design Alfa Romeo. Go to my UA-cam homepage and click the video button, the video will be right there.

  • @TheInsaneShecklador
    @TheInsaneShecklador 2 роки тому +2

    The left fender having a bit less crown than the right. Is that an issue with the fiberglass body or could the original car been off that much when it was produced in the 30s? I would assume it was hand formed originally and not stamped.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      The amount the left fender differed from the right side was very little. The fiberglass car was made 25 years ago from measurements taken from an original. Most hand built cars are off, even stamped production cars are off until the computers entered the scene in the mid eighties. CNC methods can make perfect opposites very easily.

    • @TheInsaneShecklador
      @TheInsaneShecklador 2 роки тому

      @@proshaper Made using the measurements off an original. Impressive. I assumed it was molded directly off of an original body.

  • @polehenge8237
    @polehenge8237 2 роки тому +2

    Very entertaining.

  • @aprilgoodspeed4835
    @aprilgoodspeed4835 Рік тому +1

    Great content Wray, I'm in the process of fixing a set of rear fenders for 1940 Ford pu. I have a restored 40 Ford pu at work. Will the Tape from the kit hurt the paint on the truck?

  • @rustynail3991
    @rustynail3991 2 роки тому +1

    Wray, You mentioned that your hammers use Delrin, but you omitted to mention that Delrin is TEN times the cost of UHMW, Nylon etc which others use in their hammers. I just bought a stick of 2" Delrin and it broke the bank. It does machine beautifully though.

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      For years I made mallets with UHMW plastic because it was less expensive than Delrin. I made the switch to Delrin probably five years ago, it is tougher than UHMW.

  • @MrCbell57
    @MrCbell57 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome

  • @mby_dk
    @mby_dk 2 роки тому +2

    Such an interesting project!
    Can't not ask: What is the car in the back
    ground in this shot?

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      Ferrari scratch-build. That is the measuring tool to help with the wireform.

  • @mikestrang6229
    @mikestrang6229 2 роки тому +2

    talk about 30s design my 1955 TR3 is a hold over from there. the last coach built Triumph's.

  • @65cj55
    @65cj55 Рік тому +1

    So you don't use Rusty Old Metal and Parts from different Cars, and fill the Gaps with Coat Hanger Wire. ?

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  Рік тому +1

      You must be watching the wrong channel.

    • @65cj55
      @65cj55 Рік тому

      @@proshaper It appears that i have been..

    • @james-ew7kl
      @james-ew7kl 10 місяців тому +1

      And believe that the English Wheel is overrated 🤣🤣

  • @patrickdavey9692
    @patrickdavey9692 2 роки тому +2

    when you got it close, would it not be an idea just to hold the marker against the panel to give you the final cut mark?

  • @ianrenshaw6653
    @ianrenshaw6653 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks Wray for the awesome video! Question does it matter which way the corrugated cardboard goes against the fender? The corrugated cardboard has a kind of grain in it. Thanks Ian

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому

      All that matters is that the cardboard is of good quality.

    • @TheInsaneShecklador
      @TheInsaneShecklador 2 роки тому

      I was wondering the same. I figured it wouldn't matter much for a single time use but I'm guessing the grain in the long direction would probably hold up better over time if one was making multiple copies of a part.

  • @danielbuckner2167
    @danielbuckner2167 2 роки тому +2

    Wait... a guy finished that car body 25 years ago and it still just sitting there? Is it just the standard to use as a model? Have you built and finished another since?

    • @proshaper
      @proshaper  2 роки тому +1

      No, this fiberglass body is production number 23. 22 complete turn key cars were sold over a 20 year period. The fiberglass cars are now selling for over $200000.00 when they come up for sale. Keep watching the complete story of the car will come out in a future video.

  • @kirstenspencer3630
    @kirstenspencer3630 2 роки тому +1

    Myron Stevens built the Miller race cars free-hand quickly. Yes they were asymmetrical. He used 0.63 Aluminum and just a hammer and dolly to shape the aluminum. As work hardining would naturally occure he would use sawdust on the aluminum panel heat it until it started smoking. Annealed. Repeat working the panel. Myron then gas welded the panels together. Then filed the panels smooth. Myron used the 0.063 3003 alloy. Stay safe car people.