You are SPENDING TOO MUCH $$$$$ on your MOUNTAIN BIKE
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Back when I first started mountain biking, there was a big difference between low end components and your high end, flagship mountain biking components. We were also seeing big leaps in technology with the introduction of suspension, disk brakes and suspension design. These days, the difference between top end components and entry level are much closer causing a lot of riders to over spend on mountain bikes and components. That is what we are talking about today.
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So true. I think we're seeing this across a lot of industries and hopefully, a correction is coming soon.
It's already started for sure. We talked about it some here --> ua-cam.com/video/HJvWhjN4IUo/v-deo.html
I agree on so many levels. I rebuild old suspension, bike frames, brakes. The new stuff is just not worth the thousands.
The new stuff is SO much better there's literally no comparison. Like 2010 to 2020, 2010 is a wobble box in comparison. The riding position on bikes now, is way better.
The geometry is way better. The new stiff is only worth it if you want a really good bike.
Old stuff, like 26" wheel stuff? Is dead, worth zero on the market place.
It is night and day my friend. I MTB since 42 Years in the Swiss Mountains and never pay more that 4k for my bikes. My last one I did buy a year ago ( Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 2800k on super sale).
With this Bike and frame geo I never ever have to get out of my sattle while climbing and stop, I just go slower to relax. Also the Carbon frame stores and absorb energie while pedalling or breaking and gives it back like a spring feder, its completely nuts but it works and you feel it.
The carbon itself absorbs trail chatter and you simply don't fatigue anymore on longer runs. On top of the Hill you switch the flip chip into the low position and the bike gets slacker and the BB is 7mm lower to the ground.
Basically the faster you go the more stable the bikes gets.
But you are absolutely right, you can have fun even with older bikes, I also still own a Scott Genius with 26" wheels If I give that Bike to a never rider he would love it but its night and day away from more modern bikes, Just like a "smart"phone from 10 Years is night and day away from a 23/24er but you can still use it and it can be enough :)
My Stumpy has mid level specs now and for 90% of the time it perfectly fine, but if you compare those to high end gear ( which I did and test-rode for weeks). it's again night and day in rider experience.
Cheers from Switzerland
Today was my second ride on my new 8K mtb and I am ecstatic about not only the light weight it also the precision and perfect performance I dream of and I’ve worked so hard to afford now. I am grateful I am in a place in life where I can purchase this bike. It’s insane how much bicycles cost..way out of control. I only do it cuz “I can.”
Totally agree. You simply just can’t compare. The difference is astronomical.
Its about same has car parts are almost same price... I got $2.3k off emtb $4.5 out door is touch to much for me for price comfort. thanks so much to the wife. Oh it in the shop and I just got it for Christmas. 😢
This! I have two 5 figure mountain bikes. I’ve been a mountain biker for 30+ years and have worked my ass off to get where I am. I’ve been riding enough to be able to tell the difference and appreciate it. I’m thankful to be where I am and I know I’m blessed to be able to own the bikes I own and I’m humble about it.
That being said I catch a lot of crap from people because I own and ride really high end stuff. They play it off as jokes more often than not but it’s just petty jealousy. And that’s sad and pathetic.
Just like in this video, it’s “poor man” elitism. The argument is always “I’m not poor I could spend 10k if I wanted to”, but the reality is that you didn’t because you can’t. Don’t be mad at me because I can and I did.
@@spiffpilot2589 You are so full of S it's amazing! I see dillholes like you in every hobby I am involved in. I wouldn't pay $10k+ for any mountain bike.. EVER!!! The reason being you are wasting money on pointless S that simply doesn't matter. It's straight up a placebo effect, making you think this expensive bike is somehow going to make you a better rider when it's irrelevant in the grand scheme. If you truly were riding a 10k bike to it's potential, you'd likely be replacing parts more often, because at that price point, they are built for weight weenies, not durability. They are made for the highest speed performance possible and anything less then blasting it down the trails at maximum speed is a total waste of money. What their probably laughing at is your $10k bike being ridden like a little old lady, but I'm sure you'll claim otherwise, that your some top end racer who wins everything they enter. Internet is amazing that way, everyone is king S in their own little world. The real truth is nobody gives a single F what you ride in the grand scheme. Though they may laugh, that doesn't mean they give a S, it's just something funny at the moment seeing $10K bike riding the local immediate level trails.
As a bike builder that rides $500 budget hardtails to top shelf e-bikes on a weekly basis, once you ride tens of different makes and models of bikes over your career, you really get in tune with performance aspects and small differences between different components. I tell people that I own an $8k bike because ‘I’m a spoiled little b*tch’ (which is partially true lol), though once you know exactly what price constitutes a impressively precise and durable bicycle, it’s much easier to appreciate the finer things. Some people buy big simply because they can, other buy big because they’re enthusiasts.
Still on my 2013 Stumpy Elite 29er. I rode it until the parts failed and replaced them w more modern parts. The biggest issue to keep the bike up is non-boost spacing in the rear. A cheap spacer mod allowed me to adapt my 100mm hub to a new 110mm long travel fork. Running a Pike Select 150/Deluxe Ultimate 130 and the bike is the best version of itself 10 years old. Also, it is alloy and only 30 lbs. In 10 years, I have about $6K told investment w replacement parts and upgrades-- carbon bars, covert from 2x to 1x drivetrain, expanded 10 speed cassette, carbon cranks (stock on the bike), XTR (stock), and new PNW dropper. I don't live mtns and don't really need a big LLS rig, but I secretly want one. My bike still performs top notch, and it is just the tool for the job. The rider is the difference. The FOMO is not enough for me to drop another $6K into a new bike.
Good advice and thanks for a stroll down Amnesia Lane w the a reference to the 90's bikes. Remember the Trek Y Bike? Lol.
With all the crazy sales right now, I think it’s actually the time to buy the higher end components. Fox Factory fork 50% off, XX1 Cassette for less than a GX Cassette…plus many more deals I’ve found over the last few weeks.
Did buy a new Stumpjumper Comp Carbon S4 for 2800 Euro one Year ago with slx group-set, did replace the slx shifter with a XT and thats it. The Box the Bike came in had a sticker on it with 5300Euro which they sold them during COVID... 😁 The Carbon frame is 100% identical to the 13'000Euro version.
Bike is a Dream and I ride bikes since 42 Years in the Swiss Mountains.
I also did buy a new CAPiTA Mercury 158 W Snowboard recently for 350 Euro. its the 22/23Version with different top sheet (color) from the 24er but otherwise 100% the same with identical design.
They sell the 24er for 700 Euro.
I got a canyon spectral 125 al5, changed the damper to charger 3, switched out the rear shock to super deluxe ultimate, which total cost me 2400€, and i couldn't be more happier with the bike, it's perfect
SLX, GX and Rival on my bikes. Of course two have GX AXS...but it's still GX!
Yeah I agree, but also when you love the sport, you get obsessed and start to look at all the new stuff and you will spend tons
Buy used bikes. With the crazy amount of depriciation it just doesn’t make sense to buy new bikes.
I started like that, but you just can't be sure what you are buying. I had a few nasty surprises. Now I only buy new ones on sale.
Picked up a 2022 Yeti SB150 T2 for $4,500 and now a 2017 ASRc for my wife for $1,500!
This isn't really all that viable at the moment in a lot of cases. People are trying to sell their 2022 bikes for 2022 prices meanwhile manufacturers are selling off untouched 2022/23 stock for similar prices--sometimes less
@@vlbzeasy if go there and check them out before buy
I don't buy new or used bikes, I buy frame and build my bike up, I'm looking to build a Trek Slash mountain bike, was originally fox 38 and float X2 suspension but now looking at flight attendant but 12.6kg for full enduro bike
Same for bike geometry, frame materials and components technology... No big gaps or changes since year 2019... So, why paying more?
Thanks a million for this wonderful message. Great to hear for a newbie before going bonkers!
I feel targeted. 😂😂😂
*You are the problem*
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I would argue that 95%of riders would be competently biked on a hardtail with deore and something like a mazochi z2 with a quality set of alloy wheels. I would consider my self average or a little below average and modern handrails are so capable that you really can do anything with them.
well not here in the Swiss-Mountains 😅
But yea you are right, most people are overbiked.
@@IIISentorIII oh absolutely. There are definitely parts of the world where a full suspension is almost a requirement to get any sort of joy out of the terrain that’s available
I have been a bike mechanic for the past 5 years. Knew abaolutely nothing about a bike before this journey.
As a bike tech i get to work on and test out all the new and old components .
You get what you pay for to a certain degree. Until you get to the higher end stuff then its mostly weight savings. But there is a noticable differemce between a xt and xtr shifter feel. Its much but its there.
The industry is really good at always coming out with something new that we aparently never knew that we needed.
But quite honeslty for most people the middle of the road components are where its at. Best bang for your buck.
The bike market is in a weird place after the covid bike boom. Most manufacturers over produced alot of product hence all the crazy sales. Its definately a buyers market right now.
Yup. Ive had mt bikes since the 80's, and updated every 5 years or so.
But the new ones, like 2021 and up? The suspension is SO much better, like they finally figured out how to do it.
Miles better than the 2010 KONA I had. The shifting and driveline....I have SLX 12 speed on a bike, and it shifts instantly every time.
I'm sure XTR is really neat, but what I have works with no hesitation. I do upgrades at times and maybe some XTR will be tried.
Have the T7, got it a few years ago ,great bike,I changed out the fork,meg neg rear shock,carbon bars,stem,seat,crank,pedals,203 rotor fr,180mm rr & few other things also just bought a Giant Stance added a Bafang mid drive motor & Ill tell u I shoulda done this years ago ,so much more fun riding ,get a good workout & go to places u had a hard time getting to,just opens the door for alot more adventure,liked it so much I added another motor to my Giant Talon hardtail
i wanted kashima, Axs, Code R, and chris king , mullet set up . I realised that it is still the same, just more bling.
After 25 years on some cool and strong bikes...i went to buy what i needed.
It s a Ebike !! Game changer for the price and smiles. about 35 kms off road each days now.
That is probably the last technological jump that actually makes a huge difference. Love my Rail as well. Congrats on the new bike!
The Bike industries needs way more industry standards to bring down cost and make parts interchangeable.
You get what you pay for & most people can relate to this through experience. I’m a lead mechanic at my local bike shop & have been in the industry for close to 20 years. Their is a massive difference between a bottom vs top tier bike model. It’s not just one component that separates the different models. It’s everything! The fork, shock, brakes, tires, rims, derailleur, cassette, chain etc. The bottom tier models are the ones that are always coming back into the shop to repair & replace cheap components that are failing out on the trails. Believe this. “You get what you pay for” It’s very simple
What would you suggest that is a good balance of price vs quality?
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot That’s hard to say without knowing your skill level, riding style & where you mostly ride, & type of riding etc. One common mistake a lot of people make is to over bike (get more suspension then they need) which can make a bike less agile & fun, so it’s really hard to say not knowing these things.
@@phildattilo8598 I used to ride a lot...prob considered "intermediate" trail skills. But that was 20yrs ago. An old Marine Corps injury stopped my riding and I just recently had a full ankle replacement and rewarding myself with getting a MTB and back into riding.
So, I'm 56 now and I don't plan on doing anything extreme, as I doubt I can take as much punishment as I could back then. My plan is to ride XC and some trail. My previous bike was a Santa Cruz Superlight. I live in the PNW region.
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot Thank you for your service. Very interesting & I as well have a ankle replacement. I shattered my leg in 2010 & my surgeon from the start recommend replacement over a fusion. I had 3 surgeries before the replacement which was done in 2012. My Dr wanted me to put it off as long as I could for technology to get a little better because it was fairly new in 2010. I don’t have as much range of motion in my ankle as we thought I’d have, but it’s definitely more then what a fusion would’ve given me. I’ve had no problems or issues since so I wish you all the best. I think a light weight 130mm travel bike would be great for you. It’s plenty of travel for XC without sacrificing climbing ability like a longer travel bike would. Also have you thought about an Ebike? I made the switch 2 years ago because with my ankle replacement I just couldn’t ride as much as I wanted to & I couldn’t be happier. I can get out & ride longer & farther 5-6 days a week (weather permitting) and that’s something I definitely couldn’t do on an analog bike. It all depends on your budget though. I do recommend going through your local bike shop where you’ll have support & service vs going through a online direct to consumer brand.
the huge price decrease in recent times tell a diffrent story
I feel this is true on a lot of things we can buy today versus something that's a lower price or 2 to 3 years old. This includes trucks and cars, phones and bikes. Thanks for making the video!
My both bikes which are XC are worth far less than 2000$ , i have used Marlin frame (120$) with good Asian gear on it for general use and carbon Asian frame bike with used GX/NX/MT5xx/Reba gear for good whether, i builded them both last year mostly with stuff from second hand marked for crazy good prices f.ex pair of barley used 29 WTB Ranger 2.25 for 30$ :)
It is too easy to get caught up with new and shiny things but entry lvl is still plenty for general use if someone not racing ...majority of us ;)
Most important thing is bike fit and custom tunes. I'd much rather have performance level suspension with a custom tune than grip2.
Great perspective, thanks
Completely agree with this!!!! I’m 48 years old and started my career at bicycle shops in the mid 90’s. First mountain bike was a Specialozed Rockhoper- full chromoly frame, no suspension fork, Deore LX, 3x7 drivetrain.
I watched the bicycle industry explode with technology over the years. I was riding when the first Manitou and RickShox were introduced. I’ve owned all types of high end bikes over the years that cost thousands., S-Works, Yeti, Intense, Trek, Gary Fisher, Scott, etc etc etc.
Entry level bikes are insanely good at this point compared to the early days of biking.
Recently purchased a new Diamondback Sync’r on a Black Friday deal of 50% off for $700. Upgraded the crank and bottom bottom bracket to GX and shifter to XO also on Black Friday deal. Have about $1000 into the bike.
Sure it’s not one of the COOL brands but the geometry is light years ahead of the early days, 1x drivetrain is amazing compared to triple chainrings, Rockshox for with air spring and oversized uppers and through axle is super stiff and responsive. The bike rips and I have so much fun.
I races for years and still stay fit. I love dropping people that are riding $10k wonder bikes with my $1000 aluminum bike. Soooo much fun when they see the bike I’m riding.
It’s even more fun when I roll past people on my Redline Monocog. Chromoly single speed, fully rigid 29r. $750 retail bike.
There is really no need to spend more than about 3-4 thousand on a bike these days and anyone will get all the tech they need.
Whatever bike ya ride just enjoy it and have fun. No need to spend $10k for the latest just to feel and look cool! lol
Everybody justifies what ever they have, some LIKE 10K bikes, hell some buy 12K bikes.
They're bitchin! They are trick. I like trick stuff. I never see guys at races on 700 dollar bikes smoking everyone, it really doesnt happen.
@@bradsanders6954 I'd be happy to show you, I've seen it and done it. Racing doesn't require a $10k bike. A $10 bike WILL NOT make anyone faster at the amateur level. Training will make you faster. The only time a $10 bike or more, or a few ounces lighter will help is as the pro level when all top 10 athletes are doing everything perfect from diet, to nutrition, to taking the latest PED's. lol
I constantly drop people on the trail on my single speed chromoly hard tail. Just a few weeks back I started a climb, and some cat on a carbon bike with XX1 etc got on my wheel. Kitted up in a skin suite and all while I was in my baggies. I slowly upped the pace until we were both at the limit. My heart rate was 180 and above. I was in a world of hurt for sure. Half way up the climb I pulled away from him on the steepest part of the climb and continued to open the gap until I reached the top. So YES it does happed.
I raced for years, Cat3 road, Elite Mtn XC, and qualified for and completed Hawaii Ironman. In my prime I saw mountain bikers on basic bikes, in their baggies smoke me, so it's been done to me as well.
Heck when I lived in San Diego there was a kid that would show up on the fastest road rides in the area, in a white t-shirt, baggies shorts, entry level road bike and he was always at the front taking big pulls. It was amazing to watch. Even funner to watch all the riders on their Dura Ace bikes getting dropped by that kid.
So while it may be hard for YOU to believe....It happens often to everyone.
@@bradsanders6954 Trick stuff is definitely cool and I totally agree with that. I worked in bike shops for 15 years. It's just at this point I'm over all that. I have just as much fun on a $1500 bike as I do on a $15,000 bike. Technology as gotten to the point that most of it trickles down to the lower end bikes and even the lower end bikes are impressive compared so the stuff I started on YEARS ago in the early day of mountain biking. And that's the point of the video. People are free to spend their hard earned money on a $15,000 bike. It's just not needed and there's a significant point of diminishing returns on performance after around $4,000.
The whole “I love dropping people on my cheap bike” is the cringiest, lamest, most played out claim in the history of the sport. Seriously, just get off your high horse. No one cares but you and that’s the funniest part of all this.
Your entire comment is elitism at its worst. From claims that you worked in the industry since the 90s to how “smart” you are with your bike build value to how fit and skilled you are on your hardtail. WOW you are so super cool!! Will you be my friend so I can soak in how totally awesome you are??!!!
Internet forums and comment sections are full of people like you and you’re nothing special.
The truth is, unless they are expert riders, nobody will get $10k+ worth of performance out of those expensive bikes. At a certain price point, it's just paying for weight weenie stuff and you start to lose durability because of it. Those bikes are built to haul A as fast as possible and doing anything else with them is a total waste of money. They use the expensive bike as a placebo effect, it just makes them feel better when it likely isn't benefiting them for squat. And the lighter parts wear out faster, the bike becomes a money pit replacing everything at 5x the cost.
Here in the Charlotte, NC area. I guess because it's big on banking here, they make it seem that everyone is in the professional sector here. I have never really seen as much high end bikes at the trailheads. It seems that most are driving recent models of pick up trucks also. I recently retired. Before I did, I purchased a Trek Fuel EX5. I've had it for around a year and half now. I put on a longer travel dropper, wider handlebars, tubeless tires. And just recently added a beefler fork. I noticed a change in the first three items. But I got the fork mainly because I'm 6'2" 270 and people told me I needed wider stancsions then the 32mm Recon that was speced on the bike. It's the only upgrade I've done that hasn't seem that much different. Although people have told me that I will notice it more in more technical terrain. Which is why I decided to get it. Since retirement, I have plans to go to the mountains more to ride
I could buy bike with XT for 1000 €, now bikes with Deore are 1500 €+...
Im not spending more, Im paying more to get less.
Absolutely agree, got a 2016 Trek Slash 8 with 27.5 Ryde asymmetrical wheels, XT 4 piston breaks, 170 Lyrik & 160 RockShox Deluxe +, XT/SLX drivetrain, I thought I should switch cuz most of my mates got new bikes, but I am happy with the geometry & performance as it is. All you need is to have a decent bike, ride & enjoy it and of course maintain it :)
Spot on. Well maybe suspension isn't the best example. The top shelf stuff is a waste of money, but a 2-300 fork barely can take a day of serious use, while my lyrik is 5 years old.
You have to shop a lot for components in order to achieve this but I refuse to pay anything more than 50% of MSRP and it's possible buying off season or liquidation...
The volume and markups are crazy for these companies, usually the argument is that they are niche product. That's a huge sack of bullsh... when margins are that high.
Agreed. Wholeheartedly. As a lifelong motorcyclist and mountain biker the trend has been the same. Rare near unobtainable performance parts are de riguer today and 90 odd percent of riders cannot access that extra performance to h8t real value for money. It's just bling now. Spend less and pay for top course rides more.
I went for a $2000 hardtail and upgraded what I wanted to. Start with a good base, ride it for awhile and see where your money is best spent. Riding something you enjoy vs what everyone says you should enjoy big difference.
I am actually making a video about that this week. Wheelsets make a HUGE difference!
Had a t7. For the $$$ fantastic. Might not have been the lightest might not have been the fastest, but it could go and do anything trail bikes are designed to do with confidence. Want to get my hands on an Eminent Onset LT.
I think there is a big difference between really entrylvl shocks/dampers and mid to highlvl variants. It was way worse 15 years ago, but still.. Riding a Gold RL35 in comparison to a Pike Ultimate makes big difference. Sure kashima is a lot more blingbling than performance. Regarding drivetrain options, I had AXS components and dropper and while they worked fine, I switched back to mechanical, cause I like the simplicity and pricetag in case of a breakdown. I use full deore on my ebike and XT and slx on enduro and hardtail. They all work awesome and you can save money there. In the end most of the money is in the frame on expensive brands. On the other hand I do own a Forbidden Dreadnought, a Giant Reign E+ e-enduro, a Cotic Hardtail and a Gravelbike and while all of them did cost quite a bunch of money, other ppl spend a shitload of money on other hobbies like cars and stuff. I am fine with my spendings and try to sell parts that I switch out and generally try to get good prices / buy used for the most parts anyways.
A big point though is the platform you mentioned. The polygon is an inexpensive plattform but by the time you want to try out a bike brand that has some cool inventions packed into their plattform, the prices rises exponentially. The ride feel does make a difference there as well. At least I think and feel taht way.
Component groups are where I think you can save the most money because the performance variance is the least amount there. My biggest ones are always wheels and suspension if you are going to spend the money for sure.
I disagree to a certain point. It think it largely depends on what type of trails you ride and what you need from your bike and how fast you like to go. For instance I can absolutely tell the difference between a Fox performance series fork with a Grip damper and the performance elite/factory with the Grip 2 (same difference with RS Select and Ultimate). The added suppleness, control and adjustability makes a very noticeable difference out on the trails I normally ride. Less so if I am doing slow single track or smooth flow trails with jumps that have smooth landings which do not ask as much from the suspension. Also with brakes, the added control and power you get from higher end brakes makes an insane difference on steep, loose and fast trails slowing down my 210lb body. For instance, even going from standard Codes to Code RSC's is a very noticeable jump in performance and feel (and SRAM guide T's and even Guide R's can just go straight in the garbage), although I will say that the performance delta between the Shimano SLX, XT and XTR is small with the only major benefit I've noticed with my XTR (with same pads and rotors) is better feel at the lever and it does not seem to have the wandering bite point that my SLX and XT's had. Also carbon wheels have been a big upgrade for me (also need high engagement hubs of at least 5 degrees or less). They stay true soo much longer than alloy even through massive abuse. Also better tires, which often cost more make a HUGE difference. The super soft compounds and stiff Enduro or DH casings provide much better traction, survivability and cornering support than a thinner tire with hard durometer rubber. With all that said, I will agree that a alloy frame is perfectly sufficient and a good place to save $$ and SLX/GX transmissions offer great performance for the $$ and gains moving to XO/XX1 or XT/XTR are marginal (SRAM SX and NX suck though). Carbon cranks and bars are absolutely not necessary although I will say that my OneUp Carbon bar made a big difference in riding comfort and was worth the $$ for me. But most important for me: suspension, tires and brakes are absolutely something I will never skimp on again.
I just canceled my order for a $10,000 pivot switchblade from my local bike shop I currently ride a Santa Cruz high tower version one and the paint is peeling my local bike shop and myself contacted Santa Cruz but they would not honor the warranty I will continue to ride the bike and you’re right I don’t think I will get $10,000 worth of riding that type of expensive bike do you have any opinions on the pinion drive system I also think the writer and physical condition and skill set has a lot to do with Writing if you’re not in shape I don’t have the skill set an expensive bike isn’t going to do much for you I’ve been following you since the beginning of your channel great work
I had no idea how much I'd get into MTB, so I bought a lower end Kona hardtail at $900. As I progressed over a period of 1 year, I did a bunch of upgrades to it totaling the price of the bike itself and a little more (Fork, BB, grips, pedals, cranks, wheelset, tires, and added a dropper). Then in October last year I nabbed a Nukeproof Scout Comp at 1/2 price ($1150) and let me tell you there's a huuuge difference, even with the upgrades to the cheaper bike. Geometry, suspension, braking, climbing, stability, speed, agility... night and day. I really like the upgraded Kona, but the Nukeproof just stole my heart. So I should have been better off buying the Scout at full price from the beginning, but I wouldn't have learned everything I did by going through this process.
spot on! money is no object for me and i only buy SLX..anything else is a waste
I do the same, SLX everywhere but always get a XT Shifter. Trust me it's so worth it! Instand dual upshifting is a dealbreaker. Try it my friend you will not regret it :)
I guess if you ride on occasion, a starter hardtail MTB for $1100 may be good enough (I have one that is rugged and fun). But 😅beware once the obsession begins with cool tech and full suspension MTB spending too much does happen 😂. 😎 🤘🏽
If you push a bike hard at all, and you ride a new one? Anything 10 years old becomes scrap.
New bikes, everything has been changed, they work tons better.
If your just going to putt around on a flat trail, nothing matters, a k-mart bike is fine.
I buy used bikes and upgrade components as needed. Complete bikes are very expensive as is. I also found that one frame is used for several different models and it’s the components that dictate the price.
a lot of high end bikes you can’t get budgety parts. If you want a yeti or pivot, you’re minimum cost is around $6000. But I think most people that want a high end bike and can afford them, aren’t looking to cheap out on any parts.
I can't even find XC 29x2.2 Q.R. tires anymore.
I disagree. I feel like bike components have drastically changed nowadays with technology so low end vs high end is definitely noticeable, but it also depends on what your riding. If your just out riding fire roads & easy trails then yes, you don’t need fancy components, but if your riding the gnarly & steep black/double black diamond stuff you will without a doubt be able to tell & feel the difference between a low end vs high end model bike. If your totally new to riding and just out there taking it easy, then yeah I can agree with you, but for people that are in the sport at a high level this is not true. It all depends on your skill level. It’s like comparing a Honda civic to a race car. You can drive the civic around the race track slow, but you can’t go fast, have fun & push the limits like you could with a car that’s meant for racing.
That's kind of what happened to me. I had no idea how seriously I'd get into it, so I bought a lower end bike and as I got more into it I did a bunch of upgrades to it totalling the price of the bike. Then I nabbed a Nukepfoof scout for 1/2 price and there's a huge difference, even with the upgrades to the cheaper bike. Night and day.
@@IWASRANSOMED That’s the best approach for a new rider. I totally agree.
The issue is when you've gone too high. At a certain price point, the parts are all about shaving weight and become less durable. To really get the money out of a $10k+ bike you need to be an extreme high level expert rider blasting at max speed down the trail. The parts wear out faster so you end up replacing them more often at higher expense, but people at that level don't care, it's all about shaving seconds and winning. So, if you aren't some expert, you have to stop at a certain price point where durability is still there which means mostly upper middle of the line stuff so that you aren't throwing money around for no benefit whatsoever.
i just like the hot rod jewelry factor when i can afford to indulge.
A smart person's video.
Great video. I agree with you.
The cost of tyres is OBSCENE!. In Canada $150.00 +
I got a good deal a while back from a friend on a fully spec’d out yeti sb5c. It is however almost 10 years old at this point. But I just don’t see how all things being equal with me being the rider on my old bike and a new comparable bike, how I would be noticeably better or faster on a new high end bike. For a while the technology leaps were huge, but with the exception of maybe the 12 speed cassettes, the technology really has hit diminishing returns over the past decade. I just can’t rationalize ever spending 8-10k on a top shelf bike and the only reason I did it back then was because I paid 3k for a bike that cost 8k-10k to build.
I’ve been looking at the polygon t7 and the giant trance x3. The trance x3 is marked down to $2300 right now but that extra $700 could go towards upgrades on the t7.
I wanted best of everything Crestline full carbon, sram wireless trans, sram brakes, Bosch race, Fox factory coil and 38 forks
It’s like if you bought cheap tools 20 years ago, you had a cheap tool. Now that standards are that high, even the cheap tools are good.
One thing in the mtb world that I think is worth spending money on are brakes. You really get what you pay for with them. It's a lot less diminished returns, at least in comparison.
As a guy who's other set of wheels is a YZ125, at least in my experience, pure Mountain bike guys are way more billing to throw way more $$$$ at stuff than Dirt Bike guys.
my bike is an cube 140 stereo race 2022 full deore and fox rythm, i was buying some upgrades and was searching things that could make me a better rider... i bought nothing because its allready enough
Bro, I went even further, bought a $500 bike (hardtail) swapped parts to my taste, sold the take offs, and I've got an $850 bike that rides great.
I disagree. A rockshox recon is nowhere near the level of performance of a fox factory fork. However, I will say the best fork for under $500 is the bomber z1, which is actually fox. There are products that are overly expensive, like the shimano xtr brakes, but you can go xt deore and save some money. It all depends on what's reliable but not hurting your wallet too much.
I'lle go for years on my Bikes with SLX group-sets except the shifter is XT. I honestly think I could go Deore but for me the $ and weight of SLX is nearly perfect. If the cassette goes bad i always want to go with a XT because of the weight but i almost never do it and go SLX again 😁
My only exception would be SX stuff....Always NX or GX never ever SX..😅
I'm also a hug fan of the "simple" Fox Grip damper and on one of my bikes I installed a grip 2 damper on a factory 34 fox🙂
I bought my first bridgestone mb1 in 1989 and then a trek mountain bike,rode both and loved both of them,paid between 600 and 700 for them,now 30 yrs later I found treks and fujis for sale around 800 great bargen for 2024.as far as carbon goes after watching a bunch of videos ,I'll stay far far away from carbon frame bikes,a hardtail trek seems like a winner.
As an outsider to MTB it seems as though the industry perpetuates a culture of 'if your bike isn't cool then you're not cool' and with the bulk of new riders being younger children idolizing social media pros of coure the business model of brand bikes every year with little to no difference over the last model will continue. It works for Apple so why not Santa Cruz?
Yeah pal u go by a target bike magna. I stick too my cannondale scaple lefty ocho high mod
Shimano drivetrain 100% agree , sram however anything below gx is crap .
NX drivetrain is just fine. Only issue is it’s a bit heavy
@@h3yn0w I've a gx derailleur and the rest is sx, works well
Mid price components are good but the low end stuff still sucks. My Rock Shox Lyrik select works better than my Fox factory!
If you buy direct you get the best of both worlds high end bike w/high end components for good price!
The reality is, bike manufacturers, as in ALL of them need to offer frame sets only, for every model and size. Frame and fork, or just bare frame, not even a head set. EMTB as well. Frame, motor, battery and charger. Many that have been the sport awhile just want the frame, suspension kinematics and geometry. Not the spec sheet.
This can be same about golf equipment, music gear, cars, wives….
Haha
People will pay to feel like they have something that will help them to perform better
I have to agree that budget bikes like my top fuel 5 are amazing. The brakes are garbage(mt200) but the rest of the bike is solid. I don't ride enough to need anything better
I have a Zeb select and it’s so good. I’m sure if I spent more It would be better, but I’m already impressed so why spend more
There's just too many options so there is not much economy of scale. It's ridiculous that for the same price as an upper-mid range bike I can buy an motorcycle that is built to a much higher standard.
i personally think that everything in the bike market is over priced and i want to change than
Okay mom hahaha. I am 100% spending way too much, but I do what I want.
''You are spending too much on your bike''. You sound like a girlfriend 😂
I just bought a Canyon Torque AL7 for €2700,-. It was on discount. Don't know if that's still expensive but couldn't be more happy with it. So I'm going to ride the sht out of it. Stay safe guys!
100%
I pay 50 euro an hour in lessons with a 2k trail bike, is a 4k bike better value than a 2k bike plus 50 lessons....
The overwhelming majority of this video is opinion presented as fact. I’ve been mountain biking since the 80’s and you are absolutely remembering the past incorrectly.
The gaps between high end and low end back then weren’t any more monumental than they are today.
The low end stuff today works for sure, but the higher end stuff works better and weighs less for the same strength - and ounces matter over the course of a bike build.
And as far as price gouging? This video is about 2 years too late. Almost everything is on sale right now - you even mention BOGO sales in the beginning of your video. So how are people getting gouged?
If you want to ride lower end/cheaper stuff, then ride lower end/cheaper stuff. No one is stopping you. There’s just no reason to judge people spending the money just because you don’t want to.
Just like there’s no reason to be an elitist snob just because you ride a high end bike, there’s no reason to be petty, snarky and judgmental towards people who choose to spend the money. And I don’t care what you say, I can tell the difference between a 10k bike, a 7k bike, a 4k bike and a 2k bike. If you can’t that OK, but don’t be preachy because others can.
At the end of the day this video is nothing but a played out and desperate effort for content.
buy second hand!
Ride an unsuspended single speed. They are simple and the most fun.
Look at the bike in the background. Also the most expensive one I own though…
Only peasants complain about cost. Get better jobs then.
My mate is a multimillionaire tech company owner in the uk. And he complains about cost
Jobs are for peasants.
I don't need to work for $ anymore since 20 years and I'm 42, but I still usually don't buy bikes over 4k, And I Mountainbike my entire life in the Swiss-Mountains. In fact I bike every single week 3-5 times and even commute on my bikes every day ;)
Deore is better than all the sram garbage
Yea sx and nx maybe