I kind of want one to ride back and forth to work a couple of times a week. About 7 miles one way. Are the carrying racks pretty sturdy to strap a small cooler with ice water and how quiet are these bikes with the stock exhaust?
I've got 5,138 miles on my 2017 hawk and I had it delivered to my door for $1,350 a year ago and it's been way more than I ever expected. It's not a crf 250 but for the money ya can't beat it. It's paid for itself in fuel over my truck. If you do the mods and stick to the back roads (paved or gravel) or in town it's a fun bike just expect it for what it is and enjoy it!
That’s exactly why I was looking into the hawk to save gas and wear on my truck and banshee haha I can afford to go another route but I think for what your getting out of the 1350 price is amazing anything close to that other brands will easily run around 3k or more glad to see this comment I think ima go ahead and get one for now to play with for a while
If you are in the US within reasonable distance to VA email me I have a few bikes for a great price with titles and ready to hit the highway for any kind of riding long distance trips on the highway or long weekends riding hours on the back roads or mud holes!
Citico Speed Shop That’s great bro! I did a Koso replica digital spedo cluster, cut open that converter in the frt pipe & rewelded it back together, 45 tooth rear sprocket, lift the needle in the carb w/spacers. All on motocheese. Sorry my glasses are shit but get a close up on the car. Peace bro
Buster O god me to, Ive been really considering it since it’s so hard to find a good deal on a Japanese bike. I feel like the hawk will lose less value than over the next few years than the latter
These bikes are super popular in developing countries where they are rebranded for the local market. Here in the Dominican Republic, those brands are Tauro and Gata. I have a Tauro Trial zx-250 which is, under the stickers and plastic, the name as a Hawk.The parts for them are unbelievably cheap, which is good because you WILL need to buy them, lol. Tighten everything up after you buy one, changed out the delivery oil, and you're good to go. Keep the bike clean and out of the rain and sun and it will after all is said and done be reliable transportation. Definitely a good value if you take care of it. I think a lot of these bikes get abused and then people think they are unreliable.
Thank you for the detailed review and the $25 promo, I was actually looking at a used BMW g310gs for $5000 but they wanted additional $795 used bike reconditioning fee plus $495 admin fees on top of that making $1300 for perhaps not even doing a $20 oil change ha ha, so thanks to you you made the decision easy, I just ordered a TBR7 for just the reconditioning fees they would have charged me saving $5k play money. So video is worth $5k to me. For those worried about not having a water kitchen, air cooling is preferred in the desert because water just gives you a short beta range before it cooks. In my youth I bought a Yamaha DR which is similar to this bike. I love mechanics, a great hobby.
Awesome. Yeah then BMWs can get expensive for sure, these are actually pretty good bikes. I compare them to like Japanese bikes of the '80s, a ton of fun on a small budget for sure
I just subbed. I purchased a TBR7 from a local dealer. I paid more but something felt right about having them assemble it and knowing they are within 10 miles of my home if I need assistance. I've been watching the company grow over the past few years and was going to buy a 150 scooter. I'm glad I went this route.
@@MotoCheez lol I dunno I literally just got it yesterday and I'm going to pick it up when it breaks 30° out tomorrow. I've ridden older dirt bikes and currently build custom mini bikes. I just want something that I can dirt road cruise on that won't break like a scooter. This particular motor they are using is very simple and a great place for me to start. My first motorcycle was a Honda Vtx 1300c but I'm not trying to ride like that. Too many people out there on the main roads. I like to take it easy.
I see a ton of these bikes in Ecuador. In fact, I have a few pictures of a guy running a contracting business with a 250cc Chinese enduro as his work van. He had spools of cable, a six foot ladder, a pretty big tool box and an apprentice on the back.
I road and maintained my 1980 XR80 when I was 12 back in 1982. I’m in my 50s now and just bought a 2020 Hawk. I tell you, these bike are every bit of fun and mechanically similar to ride. So easy to maintain and a great machine to learn mechanic and troubleshooting techniques. You kinda fell sorry for people that have never experienced the freedom these bikes bring you.
Hello. So I am brand new to a used 2015 Hawk 250. I love it because I ride it recreationally and it proves to be a fun tinkering toy. I have been reading all the forums and of course watching all your videos. Thanks for all of these videos. I have done a few of them now. Nice comparison between these two bikes. I am waiting for the upcoming comparison with the Hawk DLX.
I Was looking at the tbr7, and keeping in mind there is a tao tao USA for parts makes it a real good choice. Prices are increasing for hawks at some places. For now, I'm happy with my Magician and I have a short inseam, so, the Magician might be best for me.
I opted for a second hand Honda xr250 in the end..was very tempted to get Chinese for awhile but the Honda served me well so far , I've had to do a few bits in the last two years ,rear subframe and tyres and oil change but that's it ..not bad for a 20 year old dirt bike . My main ride is a chance though, not long bought a brand new Royal Enfield classic 500 in army green... Made in India and not the highest quality but man I love this bike so much ..I've even fitted it with dirt tyres now ..so no you can't diss a cheap machine if it makes you smile 😊
Omg, thanks for the advise on the rear brake, i was having that issue 2 months ago, i just tought it was the brake pump was dirty, but even after cleaning the brake the problem persisted.
6:22 that’s part of the fun. Took a day off work when my Lifan was delivered and had a great time in the garage un-crating and prepping. These bikes are good for us tinkerers 😀.
The 2022 has the brake light switch separate from the rear master cylinder, it also uses a reservoir underneath the side fairing, seems they changed the design to the same as the hawks.
I have had Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda bikes since I was 15. I really need an endure bike but have to check on shipping to Hawaii. This Tao bike looks worth getting. I see people in craigslist selling the bike for 2200 plus 350 shipping to Hawaii. I will try to order direct.
Just titled, registered and got my license plate for my new 2018 Hawk 250. Just to let everyone know that Michigan has no problem titling and registering the Hawk 250, making it totally road legal in this state. Did not need an inspection or anything. You just need proof of insurance and the proper country of manufacture documents.
I was going to buy one of these next year. Should I go efi or carbuerated. I know all about carbs and jets and nothing about efi and its advantages just that it's snappier. But I figure you could tune a carb for that or am I wrong in saying that. Bikes and beards reviewed both and said the efi was alot snappier so it's not a small difference apparently. 500$ difference for reference
MOTOCHEEZ, when everyone else is doing TAT on high end motorcycles, I am thinking of doing it on tbr7 from Georgia to California and maybe back too by different TAT route. Do you think the tbr7 will make it-? Last time I did something like this crazy was in 1979 with Suzuki Dr400 in S.America. Maybe it was the very first DR then.
If you do this you should definitely record the whole trip and upload it, I would love to see that. I've wanted to ride the TAT on a bike since I learned the trail existed haha
great! I bought the Hawk 250. am still breaking it in. Because it is simple/cost effective to do i intend to re-jet mine and hope to open up the exhaust/stock muffler. I prefer it be a little louder/throatier but there is no need to replace brand new exhaust components, yet, beyond promoting better flow.
I just popped the Keihin PZ30 on my 2015 Hawk 250. Even before any adjustments, kickstarting was suddenly a reality. So much love for my Hawk... Thanks for the great video as always; let me know next time you hit the Dutchess/Ulster County NY area :)
I've bought from txpowersports 4 times now. Never a problem. I got a tbr7, and a taotao hellcat and a taotao powermax 150. And a new exhaust for the 150. I've never had engine problems but minor stuff. I'd rather have taotao's for low thousands than name brand for 10 times that. I wish I knew about the motocheeze discount few months ago.. lol . Love ur vids
Me and my brother got the hawk becaus of your videos. followed your links to most of our upgrades. so thanks. but for the carb I went with the one with the accelorator pump and it made a big difference in tork and didn't have to rejet but I'm sure I will when I get the exhaust. also since your tips have been so beneficial maybe this will help you. I drilled a hole in that little empty box area under the seat and ran all the wires in and reconnected them so they're not constantly getting elements on and corodeing by the back tire. also I shaved my seat way down and more level so I could slide back away from the tank. Getting my weight off the front. It relieves the weak front shocks and makes the back get crazy traction. my front tire don't try to dip out on me in extreme turns in dirt anymore. anyway love the hawk and thanks for the tips and help and adventures and links.
MotoCheez the name on the neck of the carb is KEI HIN. And the part noumber is PZ30B661812141385. so the ones we got came with the split cable and twist throttle housing for like 43 dollars. the twist housing looks awesome but failed almost immediately becaus of 2 tinny Phillips head screws and I had to Finnish the day handycap. thankfully the split cable worked fine with the hawks original one. oh also the new carb was set up for a choke cable but the parts for the hand choke from the old carb fit right on so I went with the hand choke. thanks Del from Tennessee.
And thanks a ton motocheeze I watched your videos on the hawk and it helped me decide on buying and mod my hawk I've put over 5k miles and love this bike. I run 15/40 and 14/40 sprockets full exhaust ebay exhaust carb and jets, running golden boy trail tires not bad tires for 50/50 riding is South East ohio we have a few nice public trail systems and riding. State Forrest available to ride and the bike has been Awsome to backroad to them or ride to work.
Love your videos bro. It's helped me out a lot with my Hawk 250. I definitely recommend this bike for beginners. Easy to work on, from needing parts to getting upgrade parts. The only problem I've had is with my digital dash because if I don't do it right. My bike won't start 🤣
@@MotoCheez well it was like that when I got it then because to begin with it wouldn't even light up,I thought maybe the bike needed to be wired up and turnt on
My tbr7 has different back brakes. Was manufactured 10 of 2018. Also I bought an aftermarket carb rated for between 200cc and 250cc and runs great now no re jetting
Arriving at the thought that I won't be able to afford that $5000.00 dual sport and with your videos am about to step up to the plate for one of these.. Thanks!
Great review...just what i was looking for, thinking of calling Q9powersports tomorrow and setting up a layaway plan! Getting that tbr7 BB!!!! In white!!!
A very great video.Hey I was thinking of getting a EFI. You mentioned getting one when they came out did you ever get one? So no dealing with a choke no carburetion no having to upgrade pretty much is as good as it gets from the factory right?
Hey MotoCheez . . Happy Thanksgiving from Pennsylvania ! Hey, Keep breaking the rear sprocket studs on my 2017 hawk 250. Replace glass time with Honda grade 8's and they still sheared off ! Any advice ??
Hey Motocheez! At this point I've seen all of your videos lol I was going to get the Brozz 250 but they don't deliver to Florida and I decided I want to learn more about motorcycles and do the mods myself on a carburated Hawk or a TBR7 if all the components are the same. With components I mean the sprockets, jet kit and chain that you list on your website. If yes, I will go for the TBR7 as I would use it mostly for the road and will rarely do some off-roading. Wish I would know of places to do off-roading here in Orlando, Florida. Love your content, keep it up Cheez!
MotoCheez i know I wanted to get Brozz 250 so I wouldn’t have to change the sprockets. I’m around 90 ft above Sea level. Any suggestion on what size use for my rejetting 105,110,115?
I want a TBR7 so bad but I've been waiting over a month to hear back from the Pa. DMV to see if they will ok it for street use. I love the Mini series but can't wait for more 2 wheel videos!
@@MotoCheez TXPS has been great(👍👍) trying to help me, they gave me a VIN and all other necessary info. Pa. just won't say yes or no, I will definitely have to check out the DLX.
Interesting that TBR7 may not be able to register in PA. NJ approves it and so does NC. Knowing PA that gives me the impression that TAO TAO is not providing enough campaign and special interest $.
I wish I could find a dealer in the US selling these with the loncin 6 speed motor. The company in chongching China that makes it sells it with 3 different motor options and I'm guessing no US importer is choosing the Loncin 6 speed option YET, but probably will in the future. 70-75mph and 17Hp, that's the difference. Loncin is still carbureted.
Good consumer advice. (MEEP!) Only hate I gots is that you're in short-sleeves with sunshine while in NE WI we have 40's and rain. Can't even THINK of pulling a bike out yet. 😢
Just purchased one of these bikes today. Should be here in a week or so. If you could @motocheez answer a few questions for me that would be awesome. 1st one, where can I get a jet kit for this carb? 2, where can I get an aftermarket exhaust?
Have delivered built but if you buy it the digital speedometer cluster they will not install it, the buyer has to disassemble the bike to install it after paying $300
Out of the regular hawk and the fuel injection hawk and the Tao Tao. Witch do you still like the most. I'm looking at getting one just trying to decide witch one to get.
I like the DLX best still. Because of the EFI. I also like the Raven because it's quiet and smooth! The original Hawk has the nice dirt nobbies, which I prefer. And the TBR is still a bargain!
Thanks for your very in depth videos, I watched this video four or five times before deciding on a TBR7. On a side note, not sure if there is a Connecticut accent but you sound a lot like another Conn UA-cam archer Crockett Longbow who also rides dirt bikes. I just subscribed and am looking forward to more of your videos. Thanks, Mike in Rhode Island 🤙🏽✌🏽
Motocheez your missing a second spring on you foot break in this video. We just bought a hawk the other day and couldn’t figure out what the extra spring was for. But my son found a pic showing it has a second spring.
What about all the mods ppl say it needs? ie. adjust valves clearances, loctite nuts/bolts, new carb 110-115 jet or fix this carb , 17 tooth front sprocket, new exhaust vs drill 3 holes in exhaust, change oil 10-40 wet clutch certified, seal all elect. connectors, new speedometer, etc...
The only thing at that list that you really need to do if it's running super lean just use permatex or loctite on the bolts if you don't want to lose one or two over the years. All the bikes that I've been getting the valve clearance has been dead on. We did do a 17 tooth front on this we did put new Jets and shim the needle and adjust the mixture on this kept the stock exhaust that's all later videos
Hey motocheez, did you see the china bikes that are liquid cooled? Pretty expensive and I don't think they are legal yet to own in the usa. They almost look like a Husqvarna bike.
I did not see the bikes yet, but I did see the motors that were available that were liquid-cooled when I was searching one time. That'll be a step up in their game!
Watching these videos are making me miss my old Honda NXR 150 Bros, I'm glad people in the US get to experience the "trill" of the cheap dual sport, even If it's trough a chinese copy.
I ordered my tbr7 ,im going to mainly keep it on the road and this winter I might order another and then find a honda 400 four wheeler since they are starting to get cheap and rebuild the engine and put it on the tao. the 400 don't have reverse so it should be perfect,plus I might put the 440 kit on it,
Yes you are correct that almost everything made in Japan and USA have Chinese parts. The main difference is that the specifications are given to the Chinese manufacturer and the quality is controlled by the end user. The Chinese manufacturers and marketers don't have the skills or ethics to do it correctly if left to their own discretion.
Looked around at all the different ones ,hawk,tbr7,db36,db41. Think the db7 size and tires and price best . Called txpowersports and the are expecting them Sept/2019 .
@@MotoCheez wonder if it will have changes and be 2020 may be a price change? They all use the same parts to build all the different bikes so the all seem to progress at the same rate (hawk dxl)
I have a hawk 2. Bought it almost a year ago and have put about 5,000 miles on it already . Had it shipped ready to ride. Yea, had to tighten bolts replaced some but it is the best bike I ever bought. After sprocket change I ride it on interstate whenever I feel like it. I want the new fuel injected, but I will never sell my jawk2!!!
I love your channel ,its awesone that your putting these videos out man.theres just some people its gonna take awhile to get use to the Chinese bikes.give it a few more years and youll see them on the road more frequently.once qgain thank you for your videos.
Motocheez can’t I just buy knobby tires for tbr7 and have someone put on? Or buy with new wheel that has knobby tires and can just change out? Just wondering cuz I just bought a tbr7
Great Video... my RPS 250 hawk Enduro will be here tomorrow ...!!! I was called by the trucking company today....! I have owned many many on and off road bikes but I wanted a dual sport for goofing around on...! I got it from TX power sports, I ordered it and paid for it on 30 March today is 7 April I could’ve had it delivered today but ask them to please bring it tomorrow which will be the eighth...! I purchased it over the phone and everybody was extremely helpful....! Personally I would rather spend the $1508 that I spent on my new hawk than $8000 on a 250 Honda that I’m going to be doing the same easy trail riding on....! It will not bother me at all to park this next to my ( Harley ) , if you like motorcycles that just means you enjoy riding two wheels.....!! And after all isn’t that what it’s all about anyhow.....????
Awesome. Congrats. Inexpensive fun is what they are. They will last a long time, I've heard of some coming close to 20.000 miles on them. The magician I had had over 10.000 last I saw it.
Friday night I just bought my first 2019 250 Hawk. Holiday weekend. So I will see hopefully tomorrow when it will be shipped. Down to it, about everything is made in China. My opinion, what difference does it make. I could not pass up the sale price. I would by a name brand but yet, most of those parts are made in China also. Only real difference is the name. You said up grade the instrument cluster? If that was correct, where do I find one? Your opinion what will work the best please. Thanks.
So which bike would you buy if you had to choose between them? I'm curious which Chinese bike is the best deal right now? A 250 enduro type is what I am looking for. I been watching for a used DR350, but am looking at theses too since the used market is sparse these days.
@@MotoCheez Thanks! I see they have to be more than 25 years old to register in the US. Why does the US make cool things difficult! Thank you so much for the response and i enjoyed the minitruck videos.
@Declan4253 Yeah I don't know why they make it so difficult. Some states won't even register them now but at least Texas is making a hundred percent legal and hopefully other states will follow
I dont know of any tbh. I just got a Brozz250 in for review with a 250cc counterbalanced engine, supposedly has a few more hp. Video should be up in about a week. Putting it together now
What is the best company to order the Tao Tao? Any discount codes..... What is the best sprocket set up Ima thinking 17t front 40t or 42t rear. And a nibbi HP racing carb. Any suggestions on mods. And a good link to order from. Also your recommend Bluetooth radio.
I've been trying to determine if I want one of these or if I want to spend a little more money and get a bike that is already upgraded with better quality components. I'm definitely leaning toward the TT250 from CSC at $2150 (they have sales every so often where they throw in free shipping). I know it is about 800 more but it is a pretty solid bike for that kind of money. My question is always, is it worth the extra 800 over one of the two you have. It's hard to deside just watching YT videos.
@@MotoCheez that is kind of what I was thinking... every time I check, it says, "coming soon." so hopefully it won't be too long... but I will probably not purchase until this fall or next spring anyway.
What’s the problem with riding full choke? Just want to get the science behind it, I use a lot of lawn care equipment And once my equipment warms up I run full choke for sure
Proper mixture basically, if you're too lean or rich it's not good for the motor. Usually once its warmed up you can take the choke totally off. The choke makes it rich when cold in order to start the motor, once it's up to operating temperature you should be able to turn it off if carb is clean and jetted properly
Ain't nothin wrong with cheap fun. (as long as you wear protection)
Hahahahaha😄😄😄🔥👍
Lol nice lil Innuendo
Any maybe put some scent under your nose if you are sensitive to funky smells.
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That's sounded wrong at first🤣
I'm old enough to remember when everybody hated the Japanese bikes LOL
Cheers from Tokyo!
Me too brother.....
Me three...
When I was growing up Made in Japan was interchangeable with piece of crap. My how quickly that changed.
I kind of want one to ride back and forth to work a couple of times a week. About 7 miles one way. Are the carrying racks pretty sturdy to strap a small cooler with ice water and how quiet are these bikes with the stock exhaust?
The rack is pretty solid mounted. It'll hold a 5 gal gas can in a milk container! It's pretty quiet actually
I've got 5,138 miles on my 2017 hawk and I had it delivered to my door for $1,350 a year ago and it's been way more than I ever expected. It's not a crf 250 but for the money ya can't beat it. It's paid for itself in fuel over my truck. If you do the mods and stick to the back roads (paved or gravel) or in town it's a fun bike just expect it for what it is and enjoy it!
That's pretty amazing to put on that many miles with no issues. Glad to hear it!
That’s exactly why I was looking into the hawk to save gas and wear on my truck and banshee haha I can afford to go another route but I think for what your getting out of the 1350 price is amazing anything close to that other brands will easily run around 3k or more glad to see this comment I think ima go ahead and get one for now to play with for a while
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@@matthash4796 plus you get to build a bike. Well attach some pieces
How many miles now?
Ima spend all my summer taking care of my sister and cutting grass and washing cars. I have 250 rn this is my dream bike rn
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If you are in the US within reasonable distance to VA email me I have a few bikes for a great price with titles and ready to hit the highway for any kind of riding long distance trips on the highway or long weekends riding hours on the back roads or mud holes!
My hawk will b here tomorrow. Can’t wait. Already got carb exhaust hand guards n some other goodys for it. I’m stoked
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Citico Speed Shop , Dude it is Awesome trustworthy Machine you got. Enjoy it. Is that a GM “A” body in your ID?
Jim Dunne it is a fox body mustang 800 miles on my hawk. Loving it
Citico Speed Shop That’s great bro! I did a Koso replica digital spedo cluster, cut open that converter in the frt pipe & rewelded it back together, 45 tooth rear sprocket, lift the needle in the carb w/spacers. All on motocheese. Sorry my glasses are shit but get a close up on the car. Peace bro
Citico Speed Shop I just got one and I rode it home happy as fuck
Love me Hawk. Its been a great learner. Especially in wrenching on it, there is no fear of an "Expensive" mistake.
True!
I've been shopping on FB marketplace, craigslist, even newspaper classifieds old school. This video is exactly what I needed. Subscribed.
TY!
Think I'm going to buy 2020 tao Tao .starting to like it ..
Buster O god me to, Ive been really considering it since it’s so hard to find a good deal on a Japanese bike. I feel like the hawk will lose less value than over the next few years than the latter
These bikes are super popular in developing countries where they are rebranded for the local market. Here in the Dominican Republic, those brands are Tauro and Gata. I have a Tauro Trial zx-250 which is, under the stickers and plastic, the name as a Hawk.The parts for them are unbelievably cheap, which is good because you WILL need to buy them, lol. Tighten everything up after you buy one, changed out the delivery oil, and you're good to go. Keep the bike clean and out of the rain and sun and it will after all is said and done be reliable transportation. Definitely a good value if you take care of it. I think a lot of these bikes get abused and then people think they are unreliable.
Thanks for the info. Good to know
Thank you for the detailed review and the $25 promo, I was actually looking at a used BMW g310gs for $5000 but they wanted additional $795 used bike reconditioning fee plus $495 admin fees on top of that making $1300 for perhaps not even doing a $20 oil change ha ha, so thanks to you you made the decision easy, I just ordered a TBR7 for just the reconditioning fees they would have charged me saving $5k play money. So video is worth $5k to me. For those worried about not having a water kitchen, air cooling is preferred in the desert because water just gives you a short beta range before it cooks. In my youth I bought a Yamaha DR which is similar to this bike. I love mechanics, a great hobby.
Awesome. Yeah then BMWs can get expensive for sure, these are actually pretty good bikes. I compare them to like Japanese bikes of the '80s, a ton of fun on a small budget for sure
I just subbed. I purchased a TBR7 from a local dealer. I paid more but something felt right about having them assemble it and knowing they are within 10 miles of my home if I need assistance. I've been watching the company grow over the past few years and was going to buy a 150 scooter. I'm glad I went this route.
Awesome. How do you like it?
@@MotoCheez lol I dunno I literally just got it yesterday and I'm going to pick it up when it breaks 30° out tomorrow. I've ridden older dirt bikes and currently build custom mini bikes. I just want something that I can dirt road cruise on that won't break like a scooter. This particular motor they are using is very simple and a great place for me to start. My first motorcycle was a Honda Vtx 1300c but I'm not trying to ride like that. Too many people out there on the main roads. I like to take it easy.
I see a ton of these bikes in Ecuador. In fact, I have a few pictures of a guy running a contracting business with a 250cc Chinese enduro as his work van. He had spools of cable, a six foot ladder, a pretty big tool box and an apprentice on the back.
👍 nice
Thanks for your videos I like Chinese bikes I got one myself I built it like you did . Takes me to work back and forth 30 miles round-trip everyday .
I road and maintained my 1980 XR80 when I was 12 back in 1982. I’m in my 50s now and just bought a 2020 Hawk. I tell you, these bike are every bit of fun and mechanically similar to ride. So easy to maintain and a great machine to learn mechanic and troubleshooting techniques. You kinda fell sorry for people that have never experienced the freedom these bikes bring you.
Agreed!! Awesome
Not usually one to comment on anything, but your videos have inspired me to buy the Hawk as my first motorcycle at 23 (6'1 150lbs~).
Awesome! You'll have a blast! Thanks for commenting.
Ha. Same story, age, height, and weight as me.
Hello.
So I am brand new to a used 2015 Hawk 250. I love it because I ride it recreationally and it proves to be a fun tinkering toy.
I have been reading all the forums and of course watching all your videos.
Thanks for all of these videos. I have done a few of them now.
Nice comparison between these two bikes. I am waiting for the upcoming comparison with the Hawk DLX.
Welcome! Thanks, its supposed to be here at end of the month, we will see
2021. Love how laid back you are.
I Was looking at the tbr7, and keeping in mind there is a tao tao USA for parts makes it a real good choice. Prices are increasing for hawks at some places. For now, I'm happy with my Magician and I have a short inseam, so, the Magician might be best for me.
The TBR7 is tall
Thanx to you Motocheese I've got one ordered. I am stoked can't wait till it gets here. Goin to have some fun despite this stupid virus.
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I like the mini videos. Meep meep! More mini shows, please. Your comparison was fair and unbiased.
They're coming!
The dialogue with mini is hilarious.
Thanks! She's special!! More videos coming
Good stuff bud glad to see someone doing some Tao Tao stuff you RAWK bud thanks for sharing 🤘🏻🐿🤘🏻 LuchMob
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I got the hawk month ago I love it drive it everywhere
Awesome! Love mine still
I opted for a second hand Honda xr250 in the end..was very tempted to get Chinese for awhile but the Honda served me well so far , I've had to do a few bits in the last two years ,rear subframe and tyres and oil change but that's it ..not bad for a 20 year old dirt bike . My main ride is a chance though, not long bought a brand new Royal Enfield classic 500 in army green... Made in India and not the highest quality but man I love this bike so much ..I've even fitted it with dirt tyres now ..so no you can't diss a cheap machine if it makes you smile 😊
True! Can't beet a Honda though 😁👍👍
Omg, thanks for the advise on the rear brake, i was having that issue 2 months ago, i just tought it was the brake pump was dirty, but even after cleaning the brake the problem persisted.
Awesome?
6:22 that’s part of the fun. Took a day off work when my Lifan was delivered and had a great time in the garage un-crating and prepping. These bikes are good for us tinkerers 😀.
I bought the tbr7 a year ago because of this video and she's still running strong thanks motocheez
Awesome! Great to hear
Love the vids man keep up the good work 👍🤘
Thanks!
The 2022 has the brake light switch separate from the rear master cylinder, it also uses a reservoir underneath the side fairing, seems they changed the design to the same as the hawks.
I have had Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda bikes since I was 15. I really need an endure bike but have to check on shipping to Hawaii. This Tao bike looks worth getting. I see people in craigslist selling the bike for 2200 plus 350 shipping to Hawaii. I will try to order direct.
Bro I started cracking up at the more you know
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Just titled, registered and got my license plate for my new 2018 Hawk 250. Just to let everyone know that Michigan has no problem titling and registering the Hawk 250, making it totally road legal in this state. Did not need an inspection or anything. You just need proof of insurance and the proper country of manufacture documents.
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Great review, I love the dry humor and editing
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I was going to buy one of these next year. Should I go efi or carbuerated. I know all about carbs and jets and nothing about efi and its advantages just that it's snappier. But I figure you could tune a carb for that or am I wrong in saying that. Bikes and beards reviewed both and said the efi was alot snappier so it's not a small difference apparently. 500$ difference for reference
Pretty much, yes
MOTOCHEEZ, when everyone else is doing TAT on high end motorcycles, I am thinking of doing it on tbr7 from Georgia to California and maybe back too by different TAT route.
Do you think the tbr7 will make it-?
Last time I did something like this crazy was in 1979 with Suzuki Dr400 in S.America. Maybe it was the very first DR then.
Nice. Yeah, it would make it IMO, somebody with a hawk was supposed to do it a few years back but never heard of they did
If you do this you should definitely record the whole trip and upload it, I would love to see that. I've wanted to ride the TAT on a bike since I learned the trail existed haha
great! I bought the Hawk 250. am still breaking it in. Because it is simple/cost effective to do i intend to re-jet mine and hope to open up the exhaust/stock muffler. I prefer it be a little louder/throatier but there is no need to replace brand new exhaust components, yet, beyond promoting better flow.
I just popped the Keihin PZ30 on my 2015 Hawk 250. Even before any adjustments, kickstarting was suddenly a reality. So much love for my Hawk... Thanks for the great video as always; let me know next time you hit the Dutchess/Ulster County NY area :)
I've bought from txpowersports 4 times now. Never a problem. I got a tbr7, and a taotao hellcat and a taotao powermax 150. And a new exhaust for the 150. I've never had engine problems but minor stuff. I'd rather have taotao's for low thousands than name brand for 10 times that. I wish I knew about the motocheeze discount few months ago.. lol . Love ur vids
Thanks! You have almost as many bikes as I do! 😄
Me and my brother got the hawk becaus of your videos. followed your links to most of our upgrades. so thanks. but for the carb I went with the one with the accelorator pump and it made a big difference in tork and didn't have to rejet but I'm sure I will when I get the exhaust. also since your tips have been so beneficial maybe this will help you. I drilled a hole in that little empty box area under the seat and ran all the wires in and reconnected them so they're not constantly getting elements on and corodeing by the back tire. also I shaved my seat way down and more level so I could slide back away from the tank. Getting my weight off the front. It relieves the weak front shocks and makes the back get crazy traction. my front tire don't try to dip out on me in extreme turns in dirt anymore. anyway love the hawk and thanks for the tips and help and adventures and links.
Nice mods! Didn't know they had a carb available with accelerator pump!! What's the model number?
MotoCheez the name on the neck of the carb is KEI HIN. And the part noumber is PZ30B661812141385.
so the ones we got came with the split cable and twist throttle housing for like 43 dollars. the twist housing looks awesome but failed almost immediately becaus of 2 tinny Phillips head screws and I had to Finnish the day handycap. thankfully the split cable worked fine with the hawks original one. oh also the new carb was set up for a choke cable but the parts for the hand choke from the old carb fit right on so I went with the hand choke.
thanks Del from Tennessee.
Awesome! I might have to do this upgrade and give you the credit of course 😁
And thanks a ton motocheeze I watched your videos on the hawk and it helped me decide on buying and mod my hawk I've put over 5k miles and love this bike. I run 15/40 and 14/40 sprockets full exhaust ebay exhaust carb and jets, running golden boy trail tires not bad tires for 50/50 riding is South East ohio we have a few nice public trail systems and riding. State Forrest available to ride and the bike has been Awsome to backroad to them or ride to work.
Ty. Awesome
i’m literally gonna buy a tbr7 because of your awesome vids bro!
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I got a tbr7 and a dbx1 140cc why is the 140cc faster ?
Hmm. Is it? I haven't ridden one
Thanks buddy I just picked one up, The TBR7 that is :) Im gonna go the extra mile and use some loctite on the necessary bolts to prevent fallout lol!
Love your videos bro. It's helped me out a lot with my Hawk 250. I definitely recommend this bike for beginners. Easy to work on, from needing parts to getting upgrade parts. The only problem I've had is with my digital dash because if I don't do it right. My bike won't start 🤣
Won't start? Why
@@MotoCheez idk honestly. With the way the wiring is I can't even get the dash to come or anything.
You must have blown the fuse. The doesn't even need to be attached and it will run
@@MotoCheez well it was like that when I got it then because to begin with it wouldn't even light up,I thought maybe the bike needed to be wired up and turnt on
Hmm.
Thanks man, was going nuts trying to figure out which one to get and what company to trust. Answered all in one video lol
My 2017 hawk has graded bolts. In the important places anyway.
👍👍 mine doesn't. At least they're improving!
My tbr7 has different back brakes. Was manufactured 10 of 2018. Also I bought an aftermarket carb rated for between 200cc and 250cc and runs great now no re jetting
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Does anybody else have or know why my tbr7 has different back brakes or has the same thing. Like I said manufacturing date is October 2018
Bought from txpowersports
Arriving at the thought that I won't be able to afford that $5000.00 dual sport and with your videos am about to step up to the plate for one of these.. Thanks!
They’re great
Great review...just what i was looking for, thinking of calling Q9powersports tomorrow and setting up a layaway plan! Getting that tbr7 BB!!!! In white!!!
TXpowersports will give you a motocheez discount 😁
Thanks a million will be ordering next week. Who is the best company to order from?
TXpowersports, info in description and discount using MOTOCHEEZ at checkout. Low stock on these
A very great video.Hey I was thinking of getting a EFI. You mentioned getting one when they came out did you ever get one? So no dealing with a choke no carburetion no having to upgrade pretty much is as good as it gets from the factory right?
Yes. Did some videos on it too. ua-cam.com/video/E-HzU7wsDpY/v-deo.html
It’s weird all those rear chain / sprocket guards are on wrong. Mine was too even double checked the Honda to make sure.
Mr. Mottocheez… Are the frames the same or is one a little more solid...Good Vids.
It looks like they added a few braces where hawk didn't have. Thanks!
Ordered a tbr7. Should be here Monday thanks for the content
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Hey MotoCheez . .
Happy Thanksgiving from Pennsylvania !
Hey, Keep breaking the rear sprocket studs on my 2017 hawk 250. Replace glass time with Honda grade 8's and they still sheared off !
Any advice ??
You too!
That's an odd one, never heard of them sheering off unless the circlip failed and it runs into the swing arm. It has to be jamming somehow.
Hey Motocheez!
At this point I've seen all of your videos lol I was going to get the Brozz 250 but they don't deliver to Florida and I decided I want to learn more about motorcycles and do the mods myself on a carburated Hawk or a TBR7 if all the components are the same. With components I mean the sprockets, jet kit and chain that you list on your website. If yes, I will go for the TBR7 as I would use it mostly for the road and will rarely do some off-roading. Wish I would know of places to do off-roading here in Orlando, Florida. Love your content, keep it up Cheez!
Thanks. They won’t ship to FL?! That’s odd wonder why. There has to be some off-roading in Orlando. I know there’s a ton Homosassa way
MotoCheez i know I wanted to get Brozz 250 so I wouldn’t have to change the sprockets. I’m around 90 ft above Sea level. Any suggestion on what size use for my rejetting 105,110,115?
I want a TBR7 so bad but I've been waiting over a month to hear back from the Pa. DMV to see if they will ok it for street use. I love the Mini series but can't wait for more 2 wheel videos!
Pretty sure the TBR7 isn't good for PA. But the new DLX will be!
@@MotoCheez TXPS has been great(👍👍) trying to help me, they gave me a VIN and all other necessary info. Pa. just won't say yes or no, I will definitely have to check out the DLX.
Interesting that TBR7 may not be able to register in PA. NJ approves it and so does NC. Knowing PA that gives me the impression that TAO TAO is not providing enough campaign and special interest $.
It may go, but I've been told they're same as hawk registering. They don't use a standard VIN number and not NSTA approved
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I wish I could find a dealer in the US selling these with the loncin 6 speed motor. The company in chongching China that makes it sells it with 3 different motor options and I'm guessing no US importer is choosing the Loncin 6 speed option YET, but probably will in the future. 70-75mph and 17Hp, that's the difference. Loncin is still carbureted.
There are a lot better options in China that it seems they don't offer the US market
Good consumer advice. (MEEP!)
Only hate I gots is that you're in short-sleeves with sunshine while in NE WI we have 40's and rain. Can't even THINK of pulling a bike out yet. 😢
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Stay warm. 85 drgrees here in NC.
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Thanks for the review I was wondering what the difference was I want one....
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Just purchased one of these bikes today. Should be here in a week or so. If you could @motocheez answer a few questions for me that would be awesome. 1st one, where can I get a jet kit for this carb? 2, where can I get an aftermarket exhaust?
Awesome, congrats!
I have links on motocheez.com in the bikes section
@@MotoCheez thank you so much man! Happy riding!
Have delivered built but if you buy it the digital speedometer cluster they will not install it, the buyer has to disassemble the bike to install it after paying $300
From where? I didn't know that
@@MotoCheez from txpowersports
I have to ask my wife or my son to help me with the wire colors, wasted $300
So they sell a digital speedo kit? I didn't know that
@@MotoCheez yes it's 1 of the options before you put it in the cart
You gotta be getting that DLX Hawk and see if it's as powerful as the jetted version
I'm hoping to!
I have a 2016 hawk and love it and yes i have two Japanese bikes
Awesome!
Out of the regular hawk and the fuel injection hawk and the Tao Tao. Witch do you still like the most. I'm looking at getting one just trying to decide witch one to get.
I like the DLX best still. Because of the EFI. I also like the Raven because it's quiet and smooth! The original Hawk has the nice dirt nobbies, which I prefer. And the TBR is still a bargain!
Ok thanks for your advice!
Thanks for your very in depth videos, I watched this video four or five times before deciding on a TBR7. On a side note, not sure if there is a Connecticut accent but you sound a lot like another Conn UA-cam archer Crockett Longbow who also rides dirt bikes. I just subscribed and am looking forward to more of your videos. Thanks, Mike in Rhode Island 🤙🏽✌🏽
Yes CT and upstate NY. Thanks
Motocheez your missing a second spring on you foot break in this video. We just bought a hawk the other day and couldn’t figure out what the extra spring was for. But my son found a pic showing it has a second spring.
Yeah. It broke off a while ago
MotoCheez FYI thanks for all the videos. You’ve single handed made China bikes cool! Lol
@@dustinlemaster4926 haha. Thanks!
What's the better bike for trail riding just dirt roads and stuff
The Brozz recon or Original hawk. Has DOT nobbies.
What do you think about getting the hawk not for the dirt but just for street bike is it good for beginner
If just for the road I'd pick the Raven or TBR7 because they come with better street tires. Hawk comes with dot nobbies
What about all the mods ppl say it needs? ie. adjust valves clearances, loctite nuts/bolts, new carb 110-115 jet or fix this carb , 17 tooth front sprocket, new exhaust vs drill 3 holes in exhaust, change oil 10-40 wet clutch certified, seal all elect. connectors, new speedometer, etc...
The only thing at that list that you really need to do if it's running super lean just use permatex or loctite on the bolts if you don't want to lose one or two over the years. All the bikes that I've been getting the valve clearance has been dead on. We did do a 17 tooth front on this we did put new Jets and shim the needle and adjust the mixture on this kept the stock exhaust that's all later videos
loving my HAWK so far
Man you have a point. Thanks for the share.
Hawk vs Tao vs Peace Sport??
Hey motocheez, did you see the china bikes that are liquid cooled? Pretty expensive and I don't think they are legal yet to own in the usa. They almost look like a Husqvarna bike.
I did not see the bikes yet, but I did see the motors that were available that were liquid-cooled when I was searching one time. That'll be a step up in their game!
Just looked one up its a crossfire cfr250. Looks pretty mean!
That does look cool! Even uses the pz30 carb on it still!!
Watching these videos are making me miss my old Honda NXR 150 Bros, I'm glad people in the US get to experience the "trill" of the cheap dual sport, even If it's trough a chinese copy.
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So what did you end up liking better I’m thinking about getting the hawk but not quite sure yet
If you do more off roading, get the hawk, if you want more on road, then the TBR7 or Raven 250
I ordered my tbr7 ,im going to mainly keep it on the road and this winter I might order another and then find a honda 400 four wheeler since they are starting to get cheap and rebuild the engine and put it on the tao. the 400 don't have reverse so it should be perfect,plus I might put the 440 kit on it,
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Yes you are correct that almost everything made in Japan and USA have Chinese parts. The main difference is that the specifications are given to the Chinese manufacturer and the quality is controlled by the end user. The Chinese manufacturers and marketers don't have the skills or ethics to do it correctly if left to their own discretion.
A *few* of them are improving, the market's forcing them to for the most part.
Yes. And believe me, they watch comments on my videos
Looked around at all the different ones ,hawk,tbr7,db36,db41. Think the db7 size and tires and price best . Called txpowersports and the are expecting them Sept/2019 .
The date keeps getting pushed back. Video going up of the Brozz250 today, nice bike but more $$
@@MotoCheez wonder if it will have changes and be 2020 may be a price change? They all use the same parts to build all the different bikes so the all seem to progress at the same rate (hawk dxl)
I have a hawk 2. Bought it almost a year ago and have put about 5,000 miles on it already . Had it shipped ready to ride. Yea, had to tighten bolts replaced some but it is the best bike I ever bought. After sprocket change I ride it on interstate whenever I feel like it. I want the new fuel injected, but I will never sell my jawk2!!!
Woohoo! Thanks for sharing!
Which one did u get
I bought the Bashan 250.. best money soent
Hey man keep up the Great work love All your bike videos
Thanks😁
Thanks for your review! I’m thinking of buying one for me and one for my son first bike beginners. Maybe we should wait for the fuel injection.?
The only EFI is the hawk DLX I reviewed. This may never get EFI
I love your channel ,its awesone that your putting these videos out man.theres just some people its gonna take awhile to get use to the Chinese bikes.give it a few more years and youll see them on the road more frequently.once qgain thank you for your videos.
Agreed! Thank you😁
2020 @nyone??
Thanks for the vid...just ordered the tbr7 from TXmotosports...thanks
Motocheez can’t I just buy knobby tires for tbr7 and have someone put on? Or buy with new wheel that has knobby tires and can just change out? Just wondering cuz I just bought a tbr7
Yes you can just put nobby's on it
Hey Motoacheez have you gotten the Hwak 250 deluxe yet? I would love to see a review on it
Any day now! I do have a brozz250 coming on thursday for review too
@@MotoCheez Okay thanks for the info
Great Video... my RPS 250 hawk Enduro will be here tomorrow ...!!! I was called by the trucking company today....!
I have owned many many on and off road bikes but I wanted a dual sport for goofing around on...! I got it from TX power sports,
I ordered it and paid for it on 30 March today is 7 April I could’ve had it delivered today but ask them to please bring it tomorrow which will be the eighth...! I purchased it over the phone and everybody was extremely helpful....! Personally I would rather spend the $1508 that I spent on my new hawk than $8000 on a 250 Honda that I’m going to be doing the same easy trail riding on....!
It will not bother me at all to park this next to my ( Harley ) , if you like motorcycles that just means you enjoy riding two wheels.....!!
And after all isn’t that what it’s all about anyhow.....????
Awesome. Congrats. Inexpensive fun is what they are. They will last a long time, I've heard of some coming close to 20.000 miles on them. The magician I had had over 10.000 last I saw it.
@@MotoCheez ... you got that right just take care of it...!! Thats how it is with anything.....🎶🙏🎵
Friday night I just bought my first 2019 250 Hawk. Holiday weekend. So I will see hopefully tomorrow when it will be shipped. Down to it, about everything is made in China. My opinion, what difference does it make. I could not pass up the sale price. I would by a name brand but yet, most of those parts are made in China also. Only real difference is the name. You said up grade the instrument cluster? If that was correct, where do I find one? Your opinion what will work the best please. Thanks.
Congrats. Yes you're right and people seem to hate on these anyway.. hawkclusters@gmail.com or NZbrakelathes on eBay have the clusters.
So which bike would you buy if you had to choose between them? I'm curious which Chinese bike is the best deal right now? A 250 enduro type is what I am looking for. I been watching for a used DR350, but am looking at theses too since the used market is sparse these days.
Ya. A dr350 is a lot better bike all around but no electric start. I'd buy the TBR7 and put knobbies on it. Rides a lot smoother than the hawk!!
Loving my Pitster Pro....The bike has been doing great for me.
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Where did you get that pickup in the background. It looks like what they have in Japan and I would love to get one in the US! Thanks for the video.
That's my mini truck! I got a whole series on that that went off for a couple years
@@MotoCheez Thanks! I see they have to be more than 25 years old to register in the US. Why does the US make cool things difficult! Thank you so much for the response and i enjoyed the minitruck videos.
@Declan4253 Yeah I don't know why they make it so difficult. Some states won't even register them now but at least Texas is making a hundred percent legal and hopefully other states will follow
Thanks for the comparison really helped for deciding which one to get
I can get the Hawk on Amazon with an extended warranty. I haven’t seen the DLX on Amazon though.
Txpowersports is the place to go
had my chinese 250 (Sinnis),for over a year now.just what a OAP needs to keep on 2 wheels..love it.(from the uk)
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Thanks for the compare. Are there are any similar Chinese bikes that have an engine size of about 300 cc and can go about 70 mph fairly easily?
I dont know of any tbh. I just got a Brozz250 in for review with a 250cc counterbalanced engine, supposedly has a few more hp. Video should be up in about a week. Putting it together now
Now get the brozz 250 and the Apollo db36 and compare them and see which of the 4 is the best overall
I have a chart with ranking on MotoCheez.com.
What is the best company to order the Tao Tao? Any discount codes..... What is the best sprocket set up Ima thinking 17t front 40t or 42t rear. And a nibbi HP racing carb. Any suggestions on mods. And a good link to order from. Also your recommend Bluetooth radio.
I 0ut the info in description, discount using MOTOCHEEZ at checkout
i've heard you mention bolts vibrating out in other videos too. Why don't you use medium loctite?
I've used silicone RTV for vibrations. Medium locktite is good too
Im gonna wait till the fuel injected comes out. Hopefully it doesn't cost much more.Being fuel injected Im sure would be a lot less maintenance
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I've been trying to determine if I want one of these or if I want to spend a little more money and get a bike that is already upgraded with better quality components. I'm definitely leaning toward the TT250 from CSC at $2150 (they have sales every so often where they throw in free shipping). I know it is about 800 more but it is a pretty solid bike for that kind of money. My question is always, is it worth the extra 800 over one of the two you have. It's hard to deside just watching YT videos.
I've never seen a TT250, but I've heard they're nice. I think the new DLX is going to be a good contender for the TT250
@@MotoCheez that is kind of what I was thinking... every time I check, it says, "coming soon." so hopefully it won't be too long... but I will probably not purchase until this fall or next spring anyway.
Supposedly in a month or two
What’s the problem with riding full choke? Just want to get the science behind it, I use a lot of lawn care equipment And once my equipment warms up I run full choke for sure
Proper mixture basically, if you're too lean or rich it's not good for the motor. Usually once its warmed up you can take the choke totally off. The choke makes it rich when cold in order to start the motor, once it's up to operating temperature you should be able to turn it off if carb is clean and jetted properly
Thank you for a good review. Lots of the right kind of information.
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