High Gain 9db Antenna for 5G
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2021
- After the disappointment after looking at some of the5G antennas available I decided to make my own. Long time viewers of this channel may recognise the design.
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Nice work! I haven't seen anyone else sharing this level of knowledge. Please, keep it up!
Really good, nice to see the frequency response around 1800 as 4G is still required as an anchor for 5G currently in the UK.
I just built a couple of these for my Tmobile wireless home network. My SINR went from 15 to 27 on n41 Band. Very nice.
this is exactly what I was looking for! I'm going to give this a go.. thanks Andrew!!!!
Fantastic! let us know how you get on
@@andrewmcneil my man came trough once more with a 5g antenna this is why i subbed
@@andrewmcneil dear Andrew does bigger mean better when it comes to 5g to Tower is within line of sight only about a kilometer or 3 away. My monkey brain looks at this and thinks it's too Small to work
@@andrewmcneil Hi Sir. This DIY 5G antenna is better than a 5G Yagi-Uda antenna from Cantenna app in android? Want to know if you deployed and test the antenna in outdoor with your modem. How was the signals?
Sooo.. Did you make one? How did it go?
I learn a lot form you keep up the good work my friend...I value your knowledge very much
I built your antenna today, thanks heaps for the tutorial!
Signal isn't any better or worse than with the internal antennas of my router, but they work! Was a very fun little project.
What router are you using?
Zyxel NR5101@@conordia6906
@@conordia6906 Zyxel NR5101
Well done, love your work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi Andrew, many thanks for taking the time to make all of these videos. I was wondering when you say "5mm brass" do you mean 0.5mm? The sheet you're cutting looks more like half mil rather than half a cm thick.
0.5 😁
Very nice piece of work, Andrew. While the frequency dependent reflectance (S11) that you have shown is a key parameter of the antenna the actual gain of the antenna (relative to isotropic) and the spatial distribution of that gain are also interesting and important. Can you provide any information on measurements of this antenna? NEC and other simulations are good yet nothing beats a solid measurement if available.
Hi Andrew
You are sharing precious information!
thanks a million for your time.
I have one question if allow me to ask.
If i want to do double wire. could i make extra hole mirror to original hole on driven part ?
Andrew this is amazing, don’t suppose you have a parts list specially the semi rigid Sma ?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I can confirm the antennas DOES WORK! Made 2 of them and connect to my TCL hh500e 5G router. In the property I live in with router internal antennas I get good 4G signal and I am in the periphery of 5G. In this case I get around 15Mb/s on 4G mode and around 25 on 5G mode. I made the antennas and when connected - 4G mode 70Mb/s, 5G mode 150Mb/s. And there is no direct view to the mast which is nearly 1mile away. Also the antennas are next to the router indoors as I can't place them outdoors due to restrictions. It is hard to find good quality 50ohm cable in UK which is not very expensive. The antenna is well worth the effort though. Thank you!
Nice
@@andrewmcneil I can't find a way to place a picture here on what I made but they are 150mm apart and sitting on mini tripod. Also material used for is not brass.
Great success! Really thinking of making this type of antennas considering the price tag of commercial ones. Where did you get the brass sheets? I am also in UK, in London. How did you attached them to achieve MIMO effect?
Congrats, I just building one for myself to work with huawei cpe router (attached to main port, div port not plugged), unfortunately something went wrong, and it's not working at all :|. My issue is that my router don't see 5g network when indoor, when I put it outside the window it works great, it seems that glass is impenetrable barrier for 5g signal. The idea was to put the antenna outside through the gap in the window (connected via aprox. 2m length cable / 2mm diameter). Does you setup works with single antenna or is it required to use 2 ?
Oh great stuff! I wanted to build one too I didn't get past the eBay stage! Could you link where you got your materials from by any chance? I was looking but I was getting nowhere and I gave up. I'm Also in the UK! You are a total legend 🙏
Is it possible to add a parabolic reflector to this in case 5G masts are further away or weaker signal than expected?
Thanks for this Andrew. Is there any chance you could explain the calculations used to determine the size of the parts and the positioning of the feed hole. With this info one is in a better position to play knowing what changes are likely to do what. Building to a recipe is fine but understanding the basics enable one to come up with new recipes that are more likely to work than they are without the information.
I used to make longer videos explaining a lot of this but people complained I talked too much. I do plan to make a more general video explaining how the measurements work like this with panel antennas.
Superb video Andrew thanks... I'd like to build an higher gain LTE+ antenna to work with 2600mhz in a 4x4 Mimo arrangement. What changes would be needed to adapt an antenna like this?
Regards Andy
@@andrewmcneil your knowledge is invaluable, you don't talk too much. In a sea of falsely advertised e-junk destined sadly for landfill you provide help and solutions.
Now you've built this though I would love to see you put it through your normal tests on the scope etc.
Thank you so much. Can you give us the measurements to space these out for a 4x4 mimo setup? On a plexiglass mounting surface plate maybe?
I was wondering the exact same...
Thanks for the video!!! I live in area with poor cellular and no internet service. I've spent so much in antennas and still have poor reception
Hi Andrew, thanks for your videos, I've the makings of your dish mounted biquad and your updated 3/4/5g flat biquad design, just waiting for a bit of time to start them!.
This design is a beaut, could it be mounted outside as it is or would it need an enclosure?
Also, how would you make it to fit two external antenna ports on my router? Would i need to build 2 antennas and plug each in its own separate port?
Thanks again from Ireland 🇮🇪
Great work ❤
Really a grt video to learn sir...Can you share the calculating method for driver elements
Great build, unsure why you would need an antenna for this though. 5G is short range due to high frequency and 4G fallback is available. 750MHz 4G is great due to speed and the low frequency means propagation is fantastic. Love to see some practical build designs for this.
Thanks Andrew, your builds are always great and informative on techniques.
It is just options I do have a 5G mast quite close to my home.
5G is particularly bad at penetrating buildings, given such a high frequency. I built these because I can't very well stick my gateway with internal receivers out in the rain, but this can sit nicely atop a short mast on the roof.
Well 4G gives me about 1.2 MBit/sec evening time (not great, practically useless) and 5G runs on about 40 MBit/sec but if I close the window the 5G dissapears. Im on a loft and I can clearly see the 2 5G masts. One is about half kilometer the other is 300 meters away. It was all fine from spring to this point in time even with closed windows or even behind a wall. About 3 days ago everything changed so I have to make some external antenna for my CPE pro 2 which doesnt even has an external antenna connector... :(
@@JohnSmith-xz5nb 300m should work fine...
I have nearly 4.5 km to the 5G tower and I can get 400 mb/s. And antenna should make a big difference.
Thank you Andrew, i am looking in to building a mimo set up, would this cable work with this antenna?
Pasternack 6ft RG178 Coax RF Antenna Cable Pigtail U.FL IPX UMCX Connector 72" i need that connection since i am planning on connecting it directly in to the 5G modem. Thank you in advance!
@andrew mcneil nice video. I have tried 2 5g antennas and did nothing. What kind are the black parts inside and the washers? just black metal or something else? Thanks😀
Question? If more Parasitic Elements are added, would this increase the gain? And if so at point does the return not justify the added elements?
I have one question I bought cable Sma male/Sma female.If I make one hole in the place to welding and fix the cable with Sma female(I so have one nut)and connect middle conductor with one pin to second brass plate.Is possible without to reduce frequency and dbi?
Hi Andrew, love the videos. What I would like to know is what is the best 5G antenna for distance, i am about ¼ of a mile away from a good signal and am missing out on 250-300meg a second download speeds. Any help would be much appreciated.
sounds like you need something like a Yagi
Would you be able to use a coax cable to connect this to a 5g router for better reception?
I am going to build your antenna design for my 5G home router (Nokia Fastmile).
I am curious if it would work just as well if I put multiple assemblies on one big back plane? I think I seen you do it with your biquad design so I am asking if you think it will also work on this design. I might do a 4 element array to capture all the diversity outputs in this router (and maybe a second one for the LTE radios).
Thank you!
Hi Sir Can you share the formula used for parasitic element calculation?
Do the spacers need to be non-metal?
Great work Andrew, I'm in the process of ordering parts to build this for my Three 5G router which spends most of its time in 4G mode due to the weak 5G signal, currently at -98bBm. I'll let you know how it works out.
Just about to do exactly the same... I am on the very fringes of 5g.
The router is a 4g5g MIMO... So i need to build 4 😂
@@G-Cam1 How is success with an antenna? I want to do the same for my M801A router from Three
did you do this? what were your results like?
How did you go mate? @G-Cam1
Sir, can I use a standard 75ohm cable to connect with the antenna and what difference will that make for 1m length of the cables?
No
Has anyone any pointers on flattening the elements once cut out? I have slightly misshaped edges and pliers only get me so far. Thx.
Has anyone tried this and what sort of speed increase over 5 did you get? Thinking of trying this mainly because there doesn’t seem to be anything that great available to buy
Ok. But what do you hook it to? I'm in a container. Is there a way to utilize this?
As an amateur radio operator, I was looking at this to use 5.8Ghz which is with 5.7875Ghz center and 275Mhz bandwidth (5.625 - 5.925Ghz). Should I just scale every dimension by .864 (your template and spacers at 5Ghz to my 5.7875Ghz)?
Correction: I realized that your frequencies are 3.3Ghz - 3.8Ghz. So my scaling should be .6133? So 18mm diameter would change to 11mm for me.
Hello, can you make a wifi Dual-Band 2.4 + 5 antenna with your own hands ?
Sir can we make booster antenna by using pifa type
Would be pure copper better material for antenna?
hi andrew. if i use dish on this antenna, flipping it backward so that it face the dish, is it possible? my theory is that using dish will improve the signal as the dish reflect the signal.
Yes you can and yes a dish would
Hey Andrew, is this directional? I live in a block of units and the signal bounces off walls. Do I need to point it in the approximate direction?
It is yes
Thank you!!
cuales antenas son mejores para wifi? de panel, omnidireccional, yagi, dipolo, ???
Is it possible to make an antenna that can be placed on a dish for FIFA G?
Sir, what is the actual frequency of a 5.8G region
Can i use a normal tv cable or any preferred cable needed
I like it easy to make and lovely antenna Thank you sir🙏🙏
Thanks and welcome
@@andrewmcneil sir i have one question plz, can i use it as parabolic feed ? On grid or dish if yes what will be the approximate gain? Thanks 🙏
@@devgiri8613 yes you can as for the gain that will depend on the size of the dish
@@andrewmcneil Thank you sir 🙏
Could I use 16swg aluminium sheet? Thanks
Is your antenna effective in the 1800hz range in Vietnam? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Tất nhiên là hoạt động rồi 4g tần số 900 mhz không ổn định nên mình cũng làm 2 cái cho mr200
Sir how did u find the dimensions for this... Can u please share the design equation
Any update who already tried this one attached to the pole outdoor? Want to know if n78 (3800mhz) will really capture and improve/visible on my 5G CPE modem.
I would like to know this too
Sir, we are trying your design... We arranged ground, driven elt and parasitic elts but not able to get nylon nut and bolt .. can u please tell me the substitution material for nylon??
Nxt doubt- PLA or ABS can we use instead of nylon??
Sir???
Does the thickness of the brass matters ?
Can I get a schematic or a drawing with the dimensions of the sizes of each part
What kind of coaxial cable are you using? I tried soldering some quad mesh cable and none of the braids would take solder.
rg402
@@andrewmcneil Thanks for that. I have ordered it from AliExpress and tried it out and it solders great! But I'm not getting the results I was hoping for. I may be a little confused about the capabilities... I have stripped about .5m of the other end of the cable, bent it into a flat radiating rectangle pattern (like in that crazy Russian wifi gun video) and put my iPhone on it to get some gain. It's not working. I'm surely not doing it right...
Do I need a powered 5g modem? How would I make a "cradle" for a phone? Any pointers?
Could you use it in a old satellite dish and make a parabolic cellular antenna?
yes
Good job sir ...keep it ...
Thank you, I will
what would the sizes be if you were trying to optimize for the lte range?
Same size more parasitic elements
Looks amazing, Andrew can you make a video of how to calculate and make from this something like you did for 5G wifi with 4 antennas?
probably a silly question but could something like this be used for bouncing the 5G signals toward your property?
In other words not connected to anything but used solely as a bouncer and director of the 5G signals obviousley the radiator would not be needed.
I want something that will take the signals from the 5G tower about 800M away from my flat and then bounce those signals directly into my window of my flat.
No thats not how antennas work sorry
@@andrewmcneil OK I thought so, now this leads me to another question.
How would one go about making this into a 4X4 MIMO Antenna Array?
I know I will need 4 of them but what about spacing between each antenna?
What would the spacing need to be between antennas side by side, I.E, 2 on top and 2 bellow, like a 4 on a dice, for a 4X4 MIMO antenna array?
Hoping you can answer this or make a video on the topic as you are the antenna GURU
Great build,... and loved the 'parasitic' 1.7Ghz - 2.1Ghz dip,... corresponding to 3mobile UK;
(Which on-line calculator did you use ??? - didn't see it in the links )
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For the basic starting size this: www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/microstrip-patch-antenna-calculator
@@andrewmcneil - Big thanks Andrew,.... I ask, because I would like to compare the calculator with my own numbers... to see where I may be leaving out any 'factors'.
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@@stevemacbr No problem the biggest factors or the dielectric constant and the thickness of the dielectric. It is interesting to see how some materials can have a huge effect of the measurements.
@@andrewmcneil - Exactly. I own a PS100 Vextor Analyser,... and a LCR analyser,... so these give me a clue to the direction I need to go in.
- Many thanks for sharing our experience and practical - no nonsense builds.
oh, what grit was that sandpaper you were using?
They are 40 grit sanding belts that I cut up
Hi. Thanks for this project. I am going to try to build one for USA 5G/LTE. Can I use a thinner metal? I have 0.15mm stainless that I can laser cut to size. :)
Yes 👍👍
How would you adjust the design for LTE band 7 Uplink 2500-2560 (Downlink 2620-2680)?
It would probably effect the function of it at other frequencies but you can do the math to make one it just will have very different characteriristics.
Подскажите как пересчитать эту антенну на w-fi 5 ГГц 36-42 каналы?
If we put 4 (or more) of these in parralell, will the gain add up also?
No it does not work like that
@@andrewmcneil Thanks. I thought it could be built like the "5GHz Wifi Antenna with 15dbI of Gain"
Hi the middle screw and bolts. What material is they? Is it conducting or non conducting? Thank you
none
I'm sorry I don't understand. Can I use normal steel bolt and nuts there?
Or should I go with some non conducting material like plastic??
@@swapnilsuryawanshi4519 Use nylon non conductive
Thank you
How far apart should be positioned the 2 anrannas?
You would need to experiment running speed tests as there is not set distance. It depends on your distance from the tower.
Some needs to prepare these parts in a kit..
Do you sell these?
Anyone know what's the thickness of this sheet. And which thickness is preferred?
0.5mm
will this antenna also pickup 4G?
so I take it you have given up selling products and kits as I cannot find any information about it.Sorry if you have already explained but I have just found your YT page (very impressed btw )
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114845693336 online shop will be live soon
@@andrewmcneil thanks got any of those biquad circuit boards made yet?
@@grandpaseed No I have been working on version 2 but I have been too busy.
did you trying make TrueRC X2-Air 5.8 RHCP before ?
Yes but I have not made any 5.8GHz antennas for some time
@@andrewmcneil I diy flycam , so I need antenna 433, 2.4 and 5.8
Nice explanation Sir.Is this a dipole antenna??
Hi no it is a patch antenna with parasitic elements
Oh no - that antenna will spread covid19
Thanks for sharing that design very interesting
Good tip about soldering onto large planes
5g weapon
Could you show us some high gain 4g antenna mainly 1800 - 2600 MHZ .
you should try the sleeve monopole antenna with cantenna, I also make it but the problem is 1.8, 2.3, 2.5Ghz band is slow at my place so I need a 700mhz antenna because it's the only one that have good speed👌👍
Next video is a dish feed for 5G but I also have a 4G on the way
will this antenna will work with ZTE MC801A 5G router??
I’m gonna try to make one in a month. Will let you know bow it works on ZTE Router. Biggest problem might be fitting both antennas next to each other.
is the screws conductive? looks like they are coated so they aren't?
No, it’s an isolated design
@@andrewmcneil if we use iron metal rod, then it becomes all rings shorted. Then it works???
@@MovieKING-eq5qw no it will change the center frequency
If i were to use this in rural area, will it be functional?
I imagine it would depend on how close you are to the nearest mast/the signal coverage in your area?
We're you trying to buy a poynting xpol2 5g? Going for silly money used on ebay atm
Yep
@@andrewmcneil I'd be really interested to see if they do any better at 3.4ghz vs your 5G antenna you made a few videos ago. My huawei cpe pro has separate 5G 4x4 mimo and 4G 4x4 mimo antenna ports so seems a bit mad to fit a wideband (xpol) antenna when it's only going to be used at 3.4ghz
tried the same with aluminium can absolutely not get the tin to stick on the reflector, using a heat gun and everything, the alu even started to smoke, but tin would just drop of like droplets... my guess is it's because my tin is with lead and the alu is andonized as well, did try to sand it though. but I guess i'll get some lead free and untreated aluminium.
You can solder to bare aluminum with tin/lead solder. However, the problem is that aluminum oxidizes so easily and solder won't stick to aluminum oxide. You need to clean down to bare aluminum and then somehow keep any oxygen from getting to the aluminum while you heat it. There are special aluminum soldering fluxes you can get, or some people say to coat the aluminum with oil before heating.
Another technique(the one I use) is to build up a puddle of solder on the aluminum. The aluminum oxidizes under the puddle so it doesn't stick, but while still heating, use a sharp probe or sharp soldering tip to scrape away the oxidation under the puddle. The solder puddle will roll around on flat aluminum oxide layer so I often press a small dimple in the aluminum to keep it in place until I scrape away the oxidation.
you didnt mention the material type of bolt and nuts
Nylon
Can it be used for the 4g or can you make one got the 4g
I can but people want me to make a 4G biquad first
Hello, there should be a diagram with the sizes and space of each piece..I was scratching my head while I was scratching the Portuguese to English translator with subtitles.. to describe the measurements..still I couldn't and I didn't understand anything...if it's real ..you are the first to "DEMONSTRATE" the feat.. on the web...
There is in the discription
Hello dear sir...
I have been following you for years and I am a big fan of your designs, so please give me your attention.
I will make the model in a 4*4 way because my router has 4 5g ports and I will put it in one box and I will put it On a plate of 120 cm and it will be very strong and mighty.
I need you to explain some concepts.
1- Can I change the nylon screws and do they have an alternative?
2- Is the large piece isolated from the rest of the pieces?
3- Is there any left? The whole pieces are connected to each other?
4- Can I use anything other than nylon?
I promise to photograph the entire work for you. I have very strong previous experiences, but this work will be imaginary. dealing with you.
it looks like 0,5 mm thick sheet... not 5mm please can you confirm thickness?
bump
LoL yes 0.5mm I had to render this twice because I corrupted the first time and I still did not spot that.
Great build. Just wondering, did you say 0.5mm brass?
yes, please confirm thickness; 5mm seems unlikely!
Yes I did
@@andrewmcneil great thanks
@@andrewmcneil thanks Andrew! - I hope to open my Vodafone router to connect external antennas; it will invalidate my warranty, anyone done this (I do not have external antenna connections)
@@jtreg I want to start and get some of these routers in and modify them but the layout inside would probably be the same as a wifi router
Shame you don't sell these - I don't have the skill set or tools
Why brass is used, not copper or aluminum ?
I like working with it and it looks nice
@@andrewmcneilUsing some other conductors affects the gain of the antenna ?
@@divyamohan8442 Not at this level, yes copper is a better conductor than aluminium and silver is a better conductor than copper. But to try and measure the difference in the performance of an antenna you would need some very expensive equipment. And in the real world of what we use them for it would not make any difference. In fact, if you go into any professional RF lab you would find most of their reference antennas are made from brass. Reason being it is more durable and harder than copper and does not tarnish like copper.
just don't use lead 😁
@@andrewmcneil Thankyou Sir
In the video you say 5mm thickness for your brass sheet, but I think you mean 0.5mm? Cause 5mm is half a centimeter, that's pretty thick haha
I do 😁😁
May i used this as a wifi antenna?
No sorry
Sir which type of antennas is this???.. is this disc Yagi??
No, a patch antenna with parisitic elements
@@andrewmcneil ok sir thank you 🤩
@@andrewmcneil sir instead of nylon... Can we use abs or pla??
Link or website to get nuts and bolts?
ebay
@andrew mcneil totally found it thank you! I had no idea it was that easy
So, what antenna type is this? Not familiar with that design!
It’s a patch antenna with parasitic elements that operate in the same way as a Yagi to narrow the beamwidth increasing gain
what kind of metal sir?
Copper
05:35 is that brass *5* *mm* or *0.5* *mm* ?
LOL 0.5
@@andrewmcneil Sir, thank you so much for your response.
Any chance I can ask another quick question?
I have a *ZTE* MC801A.
Both TS9 ports are really close to each other.
From your experience, what would be the best way to make 2 antennas that will not be colliding with each other?
Can you sell me one of these?
How thick is it? You said 5mm. Did you mean 0,5mm? 😁
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does it work on 4G ?
no