I made an Extruder out of PLYWOOD!
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2023
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In this video I show my process of redesigning the extruder that I made in the past that uses timing belts to push the filament. I made it out of mostly laser cut parts because making one is a lot faster this way. The extruder needed to be improved anyway and I think that remaking this out of sheet material enables some interesting possibilities!
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Why not make it out of aluminium sheet metal?
Light and very studry, you can easily bend, rivet, press etc. parts and connections.
Looks way more professional compared to wood which looks hobby made. And it is still not that expensive.
Signed up! Hope I get to test it one day.
Aluminum is pretty flexible if it is so thin. The problem is that if you have a constant pressure by the motor and filament in will bend irreversibly over time.Steel sheet or Titanium might work but then it is pretty unafordable.@@sierraecho884
Have you considered offloading the drive motor from the print head with a belt, worm gear, or flexible drive shaft powering the extruder?
looks sweet! I was interested in the belt concept from your earlier extruder; this makes it even better! Love the idea of PCB material and aluminum; a carbon fiber sheet may make it look really industrial!
We would be much honored to be one part of your great idea! Let's get the BALL rolling ⚽!
Legends.
PCBWay, that's an amazing spirit!
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This would probably be more viable out of FR4, and maybe some stainless sheet reinforcemnet in the larger structural plates. idk i'm no engineer, but it would be cool to try!
Added bonus: when your extruder bursts into flames, it probably smells nicer than if it was made of plastic.
😂😂😂
Especially when you use some Hickory. 😂
this was very entertaining. What a nice project. seems to be a lot of fun to assemble and put toghether. Great work man. looks like it was a TON of work here to put up this video. Hats off once again! Man I love your projects and love you even more :) I hope one day I can meet you in real life. Cheers bud !
Thanks man! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! I'd be awesome to meet, maybe at one of the RRF's in the future, cheers!
@@properprinting ill be in UK in dec for the san jay rrf :) and we might meet virtually before then ;)
Not only could you make it out of FR4, and could heatsink with Al substrate as you mentioned. But you could embed strain gauges anywhere on the flat layers you'd like, you could measure nozzle force against the bed or part like prusa can now. As well you could even measure filament pressure BEHIND the nozzle assembly at the same time if you really wanted to. For the gears I'd really change to an engineering plastic or metal TBH.. I totally understand the wood aesthetic, but at the forces you need, and the gear's current contact area, they're probably going to shred quickly unless it's a rather durable material.
These are the exact suggestions I was hoping for! It'd be so interesting to explore these kind of possibilities. Regarding the gears, I agree. Wood right now is ideal for prototyping and I am curious how far I can go with it. From this point onward, it can only go better!
@@properprintingany thoughts about "painting" the wear surfaces with a polymer, perhaps with with different polymers in opposing surfaces? i.e. put a softer polymer on a larger gear, and a harder one for a gear with fewer teeth?
@@properprintingbased on the prices for laser cut metal ive seen in other videos you could totally sell this with a drop shipped design markup from PCBway, use wood where needed and metal where needed
I would definitely be interested in this. It seems functional, and like you said, it looks interesting. I have a bit of a showroom going on, so when I have meetings, people like to look at 3D printers working, so I'm also trying to make the printers themselves look more interesting. This seems like it could give it a nice steampunk esthetic. Definitely would draw some eyes.
Also, seems like it really is fun and rewarding to put it together, which is also a bonus. Building stuff is fun, and helps you understand the mechanism and how to repair it.
I love lasers as much as anybody. My lasers go up to 6kW! But you need to consider a hybrid version where you leverage the strengths of both 3D Printing and Lasers. You can integrate all the small tedious parts into a handful of 3D printed components and still keep the laser cut vibe going 😎
I think this is actually a good STEM project for students and people learning about 3D printers and how mechanisms like the extruder is constructed. Not even mentioning the design methods considered given that it is sheet material. 2 birds 1 stone
This was such a learning experience! Even if you don't own a laser cutter, the parts can be 3D printed and designing with the restrictions of 2-dimensional parts really forces you to find interesting solutions.
My 2013 Printrbot Jr had a partly laser-cut plywood geared extruder. The main gear axel was metal though. One of the first things I did was 3D print helical gear replacements that meshed much better.
p.s. It was nice meeting you at Open Sauce a couple of months ago
i like that you show your failures..... most channels just want it to look like everything went perfect the first try. I never get it the first try, im always having to redo something, and it makes me feel like i suck.... showing the reality of all the fails, defiantly helps.
Jón, I've been watching your videos since basically the beginning - the Camera Sliders - your work got so INSANELY better and entertaining. Congratulations my friend!
I think the majority of the people is looking for extruders that will be very reliable (plus fast, powerful and light). This project is more like a novelty / curiosity thing, exploring odd materials for the job. Personally I wouldn't buy one myself - but the project is highly entertaining and I am SO CURIOUS to see how much an assembled one could actually print before catastrophic failure. I hope you can push it forward. Good luck!!!!!
Thanks Everson! I think that this extruder can stand out as a niche extruder because it's capable of handling very brittle filaments (high metal concentration) and thin fibers. I don't think that wood is going to be the material eventually unless it proves being reliable enough. We're going to explore the capabilities!
Fixing them together with screws and bolts would be probably a good way.
And, like you said, including PCBs as a layer.
Interesting options.
Why not include "some" 3d printed parts. They could be printed while the cutter is doing his job.
Very stoked to see the progress of this extruder.
I think that the screws will be inevitable indeed. I do like the concept of everything clicking together and being held into place, it has a certain elegancy to it IMO. I think that finding the most optimal way of producing an extruder is an interesting challenge on its own. I think that sheet material is one of the quickest and most efficient ways of producing parts.
@properprinting only if you don't account for labor, which for a hobby part is totally fine but not for a widely used commercial product unless the cost of labor is low e.g. with automation
That looks so interesting! Wood won't be able to last very long in the sense that the teeth will wear down quickly (my assumption), PCB material seems way better indeed, but also there I wonder if it doesn't chip away when printing. Really cool idea and I would be interested!
the wheels from the early ultimakers took a bit of a time to worn down but to be fair they are thicker
@@testfag If you grease it up it will last for a very long time. Back in the day they used a lot of wood bearings. The only thing about grease is that you should be careful not to get it on the belts and the filament.
You can also use graphite powder or petroleum jelly I’d imagine to reduce wear.
If you went with PCB materials you could go as far as adding 'pads' to the teeth of the gears to add some additional durability though idk how well it would go with the manufacturing processes
I'm not into printing, so I have no idea of the parameters involved, but I'm curious, how important is it to actually use a positive drive train, ie gears?
Shouldn't some O-rings Super glued to discs have a similar effect?
Very cool idea, but I would like one made out of clear acrylic. I think a see thru design would be cool to watch.
I absolutely love your videos, especially the ones involving printing or laser cutting. They're incredibly useful and enjoyable to watch. Thank you so much for generously sharing all this fantastic content!
Of course I would be interested in an extruder like this one! Plywood makes it look very unique.
Awesome job man! The last assembling sequence is so satisfying to watch! It's always a pleasure to see your amazing CAD designs. Always a piece of engineering jewelry well served by a perfect video montage ❤ I just subscribed to your newsletter and can't wait for updates!
Watch IKEA a new player in flatpack design has entered the game. 😁
Seriously, this was very impressive. Looking forward to see the progress in the future.
Very cool idea! I would love to see a lightweight version of this using one of those circular NEMA 14 motors.
Also, using a plastic called UHMWPE could help to solve the durability issues. It is very easy to laser cut, light, cheap, and very high strength!
What a beautiful concept! Really enjoyed watching the video! Can't wait to see your PCB version of it.
And you really made it through the whole video without making a joke about how this sheet extruder is sliced into layers, like a 3D printed one, only with an enormous layer height.... :D
Ugh...the sounds of the wood being put together at 13:40 upwards are so disgustingly satisfying...another great video! And a very entertaining watch. Amazing how you come up with all this stuff! I want to see it print :D
I wish I had 1/4 of your ideas, man you come up with the best designs ! I think threaded brass rods and brass plates would be so sick !
I got for Christmas a plywood laser cut kit, from my sister. It's a globe with a space shuttle going around, the best thing in my opinion is that the base countains a clockwork mechanism with rubber bands acting as springs and a working escapment, thus allowing the space shuttle to go around at constant speed, the best part in my opinion is a working planetary gearbox, all of the gears being laser cut plywood, the planets rolling in plywood bushings, ... to lubricate the gears, the kit asked depose a thin layer of wax on the teeth by scrubbing a piece of candle, and it works beautiful
I love the whole concept of it, I really think all it needs is for the kinks to be ironed out.
My idea for it was using steel axles, with cuts on the sides so you can lock them in place with a laser cut piece, like a c-clip.
I would love to see this extruder on a Mendel/Prusa type printer that's made using your modular tension beam system as the frame. I think it would be aesthetically unique, rigid enough for crazy accelerations, and have an appeal to nostalgia while paying Proper tribute to those who laid the innovative foundation for this wonderful "hobby."
This built is amazing. And actually it was really satisfying to watch all the press-fits scene of the parts!
Yes definitely!
You had me browsin' amazon for the model car kit thinking "oh shit that looks like a lot of fun", so getting the wooden assembly experience for a functional part would be even better!
Oh wow, that was really cool to watch. Yes, please I wanna have an extruder send in an envelope!
I really appreciated watching your learning process and the way you get inspiration to improve your own designs. Thank you for sharing
Your posts are pretty instructive and entertaining as well. Thank you very much. It's always a pleasure to be notified of each and every post of yours.
I'd be interested in an extruder that's unique like that... As long as it's durable and easily adaptable.
All your projects are really cool, and I’d love to see you finally turn one into a product!
Interesting project mate! Looking forward to seeing it working
Fantastic video as always Jon! Interesting use of the plywood for the extruder. Would love to see a more tutorial like process on cutting that on the laser cutter. Until next time!
CANT WAIT TO SEE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FINISHED
INCREDIBLE JOB!!!!
Unbelievable how much work you put there. The concept is promising for sure. Keep it up 💪
This is dope because then it can be CNC'd out of any kind of material or even manually machine out of plywood using a router.
Looks really cool. I like the idea of it!
Oh snap! I've been waiting for this!
Very cool. This video got me really thinking about this design technique. I frequently use tab and slot for plasma cut steel projects. But this could be taken to a whole new level in metal working, too.
Definitely would buy! Makes for a fun assembly day/ puzzle. And upgrades my printer for super soft flexible filaments.
Very beautiful mechanical hear-shaped extruder! ❤
Such a smart idea, keep it coming
Definitely interested, this is a great concept! I'd also love to see a sheet metal version as well for heavy duty/industrial use in enclosed printers. Well done, this is something truly innovative and it shows a lot of promise in my eyes.
Paper Mache Extruder! It can be strong and fun to assemble. Great video, really loving your innovation!
Such a great idea
whoooooo!
Incredible !!
thank god you finally placed your monitors side by side instead of one over the other
Definitely interested, I once made a ugears air powered engine that also turned out to be a interesting and challenging puzzle, can't wait to get my hands on this one!
Would definitely buy one of those if it proves to be reliable. Keep up the work man, it’s inspiring to see you develop such a unique extruder!
I love your vides man. you are so creative. keep up the fantastic work Proper Printing!!
That's fantastic! Love it! :)
The design is really incredible! It would be really awesome if you continue improving it!
i cannot wait for a composite version!!!
Awesome project man, like toys when I was young. You always upgrade my mind when I see your video. Great job. Hope you will go up to the end of your idea. Need this enveloppe 😊
You rock!!!!! I really wanted to print your last design, but I don't have a resin printer. Looking very forward to laser cutting it!!!
Looks great, You really made a fantastic project even tho sadly wood can't be too functional due to deformation, humidity and general wear (it does looks sick tho).
This project has a lot of potential and might inspire other custom parts made like this (which seems like a pretty cost effective method both in terms of shipping and small to medium production). You really never disappoint...
Super engineering and design. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Yes, I would love a kit!!!!
At this point, you are going to make a full 3d printer, you got the rails, now the extruder! This is awesome
I would absolutely be interested in this design and every iteration your creative brain comes up with! :D
If I could buy a hot end kit I'd be so happy. I love building these little kits.
Really Cool Idea, and it looks absolutely beautiful.
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Where have you been my guy, missed you we need more videos! Keep up the great work!
Really cool idea, I think you are onto something with this. Although I believe the PCB material might be the ultimate solution for the integrated electronics and strength of the fiber glass infused board. One think about PCB material would be adding traces for aesthetic reasons as well as functional.
I would love to see this as an actual product. I always thought this was a cool idea and personally would buy it in certain cases. I would love to see a 2.85mm version though, although most manufacturers are strafing away from 2.85mm filament, its still very commonly used with some older printers and I happen to have a bunch of it
That's an interesting concept, I like it! Maybe you can find some thin M3 screw inserts or flanged nuts with a wide & flat flange (you could insert those reversed with a hexagon cutout in the wood, and the flange sticking out) to screw parts together. That could make assembly easier and possibly strengthen the axles, while still being of the shelf.
This is an awesome suggestion! Why didn't I think about the flanged nuts, thanks man! I just ordered a bunch of them
I have a Replicator 2 that is wood which we will rebuild.. I think this is NEEDED for it at some point! Amazing work sir! And again, your videos are really getting good. Amazing flow, the music is great, and the shots are tremendous!
Nice idea! Perhaps you should also add one more “cover” plate to increase stiffness?
Just what I want right next to my 350°C block. 😂
www.fireengineering.com/leadership/ignition-temperature-of-wood/ don't worry, there is some head room😆
Looks sweet man I love this extruder and i can't wait to eventually try it out for myself. You're awesome dude!
I love my xTool P2 Laser!
Thanks for sharing a link to the plywood jeep.
This design is very nice. Imagine cutting it from sheet carbon on cnc. Much more precise. Very strong and still light.
Very interesting to watch your process. The PCB material may offer many advantages, or even a carbon fiber or fiberglass material. Looks great
great video as always, please try make a version of this with FR4 pcb. its essentially fibreglass and utra rigid and if you order it from pcbway you can customize the pcb edge finish to be smoothed and bevelled or even polished so the gears mesh easier. your idea to integrate circuits on the mechanical parts will be awesome.
I like the design reviews
I think as a kit, this would be a great idea. Hobbyists have been purchasing wood kits like these for their Miniature Wargaming tables and they work very wel. I say, give it a shot! It's a great concept, and, if you include the custom PCB into the design, as something you can clip in with the wood tabs, that would really make it a killer product.
Definitely a buy for me
honestly just a normal ABS/PETG printable extruder would also be great
Love your vids, Giga Chad!
I'd be interested to see how the changes you made for this wood one would improve the printed one and seeing one cut out of sheet metal
This looks really cool, I work with lasercutters allot for my projects. My one tip would be to ditch the plywood and go to jlcpcb and get all the parts milled out of 2mm fr4. It would still not last very long, plywood would also fail at some point. But the product would be allot stronger, not to mention stiffer. You can also make breakable tabs and even incorperate some electronics in there some led's, sensors even. Sky's the limit.
this is so cool I would love doing something like this on a good few of my printers
That was a satisfying thing to play with at the Makerfaire :)
I really want to be in line to get one of these cnc'd out of alliminium when the design is done. please release some sets Id love one
Would be very cool if you could redesign it to be lightweight made from aluminium and with a round nema 14 stepper motor!
I think SLA nylon with brass or steel gears would be sick personally
This looks like fun even just as a keepsake without using it in a 3d printer!
Reminds me of my kit build of the Ultimaker Original❤👍👍
Would love to put my hands on it! In fact, you could also sell the template so one can cut locally, as well as spare parts. Will also subscribe to the newsletter!
If this were on Kickstarter I'd definitely back it
Amazing! I'd buy it
Nice!
I would totally be interested in one!
Even if you didn't do the extruder kit you could probably get a side hustle going, making your own model kits. You're already a whiz with CA, 3D printing, and now you even have a laser cutter. That's like a Etsy seller's trifecta of necessary production equipment. I do think the wooden gears might strip eventually though. I suppose the upside is they'd be inexpensive to replace in comparison to other material.
Such a good Idea! Maybe a final product made out of aluminum (or any material that is not wood :D ) could position itself between high priced aluminum-CNC'd-extruders and DIY 3D printed extruder. Loved the video.
That plywood sheet gives me goosebumps. What if that you can mail a full 3d printer chassis in one sheet?
I think the idea of a easy and cheap to get kit would definitely be something the 3d printing world would love, it would ONLY work if it's durable though, if it breaks or has bad performance it won't sell imo. (Heel eco, groen, co2(naja beetje laser) 2023, next gen, etc. man! haha!)
This is so damn cool. I would definitely buy one.