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JewsAre TheChosenPeople mummy boy 🍼👦🏻, God doesn’t exist !! I know it’s hard, grow up !! Like elves 🧝🏼♀️, and Santa Claus 🎅🏻, and fairies 🧚♀️, and ghost 👻, and werewolves 🙋🏼♂️🐺, and 🕎✡️🛐☦️⚱️🔮📿💒⛪️🕌🕍🕋🧙♀️👨🏼🦳🧞♂️🧛🏻♂️🧟♂️🧜♂️🧜♀️👼👳🏾♂️👺🙏🏻...... it’s not real 📖. Grow up !! Stop hurting animals, you psychopath !!!...
@Joey Carbstrong Can I just say the body language in this video is beyond crazy. I’ve never seen someone look so uncomfortable stay and not flee for this long of a time lol.
@JewsAre TheChosenPeople Ok, paid shiII. You’re obviously the one brain damaged for doing what you do for work, and sporting a username like that. Nobody cares about your opinion. You guys are so obvious by the way. I know you can’t help it, because you get paid on the clock to arrive first in threads, but you might get a little bit of points of credibility for trying to be more subtle.
@Vegan Tina "Plus je connais les hommes, plus j'aime Mon chien... tous les animaux, en effet" Madame de Sauvigné (with a personal embellishment). In other words... Bazza Barns: "You Vegans care more about animals than people". Tina: "It's not animals I have a problem with; animals don't whinge to me about how the World doesn't feel sorry for them, the way they feel sorry for themselves... diggit?". 😁💝🎶
@@jewswhoswingssnakes923 Did you know that most cat foods sold are filled with inedible parts of animals that contain zero nutrition? All the "nutrition" and especially taurine that cats need, are just ADDED as additives. Meaning the base "animal body part" could have been plant based, with all the nutrition simply added.
@Meat for all Another way to look at it is, humans are the only animals who are dumb enough to have created the most oppressive form of government (communism) in order to "fight oppression" And after the most bloody century (20th) where more people died due to communism than any other form of government in history, there are STILL people dumb enough to continue to champion communism/socialism.
JewsAre TheChosenPeople We can be perfectly healthy on a well planned vegan diet, so anything you claim about meat not being bad and being good is completely irrelevant.
Can I just say the body language in this video is beyond crazy. I’ve never seen someone look so uncomfortable stay and not flee for this long of a time lol.
You would be uncomfortable too if a stranger was leaning over you. Joey's body language is clearly confrontational is this guy is trying the keep a safe distance.
Kurt Halbauer I agree. I admire Joey’s activism, but you have to give people their personal space or they feel threatened and defensive. I know Joey’s leaning in to get the mic closer to the guy, but it’s also obvious that he’s leaning in to him in a more confrontational way as he’s trying to make his points clear and that would make anyone uncomfortable. The guy still stuck around though, and it was a good debate. Joey did amazing in his arguments.
If the argument is that he’s being a hypocrite he got him when he said vegans kill bugs. Sure, he argued veganism is reducing the amount of suffering possible but that’s not the argument. He had a point saying it wasn’t on his sign.
All of these excuses and weird justifications.. all of them boil down to “because I like it”. That’s it. That’s everyone’s argument at the end of the day. Everything else is semantic nonsense.
I think most people don't give detailed information on why they make the choices they do because it's really not something you just start aggressively sharing with everyone you meet usually.
Wow, this guy didn’t even consider how his wife would feel if he punched her, he only considered how it would affect him. “She wouldn’t like me”. I think this is the problem. People are only thinking about how their actions affect themselves, not the victims. Good of him to sit and discuss and think about it though.
@@simonnaylor3536 I like the taste and i want it, i want to be happy and feel the best way possible and thats why i eat meat, this world is designed in a way that species eat each other and try to survive, we just live by morales and rules because we are human thats all
@@cenklol we breed billions of animals into absolutely horrible existence and exploit them and brutalize them and you think they deserve that because it makes you happy?
Bruh lions eat animals so that animals dont eat all their food source and go extinct Same thing with humans. Also if we only ate vegetables. We would go extinct
@Alex Wood actually first of all just because one news site based in the UN doesnt mean that all of the UN wants us to go plant based. Also there isnt a food shortage except in countries in Africa etc. And if countries like the US actually decided to help them it wouldnt be hard. Also we can clean water and salt water by boiling it and treat it in other more advanced ways. Also it actually farm animals only contribute up to 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. Also while all the greenhouse gasses we release are bad. Half a year ago it something like that a volcano erupted in Hawaii and released more greenhouse gas emissions than we have in the past 100 years. So yes what we do is pushing us to the edge. But farming animals contribution to greenhouse gas emissions is nothing compared to factories and volcanoes. Also antibiotic resistant bacteria isnt solely because of their use on cows. Anti biotic resistant bacteria is constantly changing and evolving. It isnt just because of farm animals. Also I dont think u even read ur article. Because it says only five have happened and they were millions of years ago. And they weren't cause by humans. One of them was actually cause becaus eof a lack of oxygen because of the surplus in plants because there were too few herbivores. And if the world went vegan there wouldn't be any herbivores because we would have destroyed their food sources.
@Alex Wood also we make sure we eat the animals we produce and it also said that plants contribute to 80 percent of all earths biomass and bacteria has 15 percent. Its is a very delicate balance. We only ten percent of the energy from eating the previous trophic level. So if cows who eat however much food have to eat the undesirable and inedible foods we grow that come out wrong. And have to eat some grass and hay. Compared to us having to eat way more vegetables and still being vitamin deficient and there arent any leftovers we can eat unlike the farm animals which eat our undesirables and inedibles. I'm choosing for them to eat the left overs without destroying nature and using up their food source And how does us force breeding farm animals affect ecosystems. If anything it should be helping them. They eat their 80 percent of food source and predators like tigers and lions that could be facing extinction will have a bigger food source
@Alex Wood also it isnt because we farm animals that we are over populating. It is because of people living longer and reproducing at the same rate. And if ur concerned about farm animals over populating (because u didn't specify) we can easily eat them to make up the difference. The world could use an overabundance of food
@Alex Wood i dont think u understand though. While it would be a big success if we could remove 18 percent of the greenhouse gasses. It won't really change much. Because that 18 percent is nothing compared to what we have and will still continue to do even if we did try to stop it. Also we will not have *that* much more land available. We would have lot less actually. And even if we did somehow have that much it wouldnt matter. Because the economy would crash and that would cause all those big countries to destroy more trees and more land to convert to our needs to grow food for humans. They would try to stabilize the economy and get ahead and would further destroy the environment to do that. There is an estimated global population of 9.7 billion people in 2050. And it just keeps going up. So even if we did have that much farmland (which we will not) the strain of our dietary needs will be solely on plants. No one would replant trees and even if they did they would just cut them down again as our population grows. Eventually we would be able to allow our soil to rest and regain nutrients and crop and soil quality would go down. It wouldnt be long before humans went extinct. Not to mention before that we would have severe vitamin deficiencies (you can look it up) and tons of animals would die including almost all farm animals, all predators and other creatures like bees. And bees play a MAJOR role in the environment. Believe me there is a very large chain of bad things that would happen if they went extinct which they definitely would. U can also look that up. So while killing animals may be evil. It is a necessary evil. Welcome to nature
@@sam-zo6tn 1/ "why I should be vegan": why not? What's holding you back? Now that it's all accessible, how can you watch what happens in every slaughthouse and feel it's "neither good nore bad" what happens to those sentient beings? What second hand benefits (health, environmental issues, modern day slaves for farming crops that feed the farm animals 5 to 15 times more than needed be if directly consumed by humans, land use -80% of arable land is used to feed farmed animals-...) would you like to pass up on? 2/ "why animal abuse is immoral": lets look at the definition of immoral=not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics-------->aren't you applying moral principals to guide your life choices? If so, how are they not applicale to animal commmodifying and killing in view of palatal pleasure? Veganism is based on the fact that no one (not one person ever) has come up with at least one trait that makes commodifying and killing farmed animals morally acceptable when doing the same thing to pets or humans is moraly wrong (at least in today's modern society where we live: moral standards evolve over time which is a good thing right?) So here's my question to you: what trait, what particular so profound difference is there in non human animals that would make it moraly acceptable to commodify and kill them? (just as a side note: amoral= neither moral nor immoral; unaware of or indifferent to questions of right or wrong---------> I'm pretty sure your not amoral right?)
@@sam-zo6tn “The CDC warns that three out of four new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals, while the WHO, FAO and OIE have previously stated that increased demand for animal protein is one of the main risk factors of a pandemic.” apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/68899/WHO_CDS_CPE_ZFK_2004.9.pdf Antibiotic resistance is one of the biggest threats to global health, food security, and development today. Antibiotic resistance occurs naturally, but misuse of antibiotics in humans and animals is accelerating the process.
@@sam-zo6tn Hello there, may I point out several dietary guidelines in favor of whole plant based diets? It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. Another guidline is the 2019 edition of Canadian guideline which says: Many of the well-studied healthy eating patterns include mostly plant-based foods. Plant-based foods can include: • vegetables and fruits • whole grain foods • plant-based protein foods Eating plant-based foods regularly can mean eating more fibre and less saturated fat. This can have a positive effect on health, including a lowered risk of: • cancer • heart disease • type 2 diabetes. And last example: In the newly-released Australian Dietary Guidelines, plant-derived foods are given as alternatives to animal-derived foods, with meal planning advice accommodating vegan eating. In fact, the Guidelines state that alternatives to animal foods (such as nuts, seeds, legumes, beans and tofu) can, for all Australians, "increase dietary variety and can provide a valuable, affordable source of protein and other nutrients found in meats." Therefore, maybe you could find peer reviewed scienc based articles supporting your claims? Meanwhile, have a good day and take care.
Meshari that’s fair, it’s my application and interpretation of the word. But it’s not like it’s entirely separate from words like ‘wrong’, they’re definitely within the same category. nobody would be confused if i said sniping pedestrians from your car is cruel.
Meshari Because the taking of the animal’s life is completely needless. It wouldn’t be cruel to kill an animal if you were in a survival situation. Just like how it’s justifiable to kill someone out of self-defense and not justifiable to kill someone for fun, it’s not justifiable to kill an animal for a food product we don’t need and it’s justifiable to kill an animal in a survival situation.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 no - the guy chose to sit there - if you didn't like the distance he would have moved the chair back 😂 nothing is stopping that guy giving more space
Lmaooo did this guy seriously try to argue that a life of enslavement, exploitation, torture, that is ended in brutal slaughter is preferable to non-existence? Ohhh man.
@@johndouglas9893 Yes. That's like saying human slavery was absolutely ok, because some humans never would have existed otherwise. (some of the masters raped their slaves to get more slaves). Also, if you never exist, you never exist, and you never know about it.
@@TheTabahnatorthey're bred into existence by us. Comparing their alleged wellbeing to that of wild animals, and using that as a justification for what we do them, is philosophically meaningless. In other words, it doesn't make any sense.
There isn't too many people in the world.. It's our current unsustainable lifestyle that contributes to all the negative effects the environment experiences.
@@MrDavidSoro The world is over-populated. Sure. I don't understand why people use this as an argument against veganism. If anything, it's a very strong argument *for* veganism.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 what would you calling it that they are participating in? then where does that conclusion leave you ? name calling "do you eat meat? "yes "youre an animal abuser" .... "ok ?
'Like they have a happy life in captivity being mutilated'.. why do they go to great lengths to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make excuses to continue to support animal abuse... watch the videos Joey is showing and comment on that footage instead of using mental gymnastics to justify supporting animal abuse...
We ( vegan opposers ) watch these things because we are entertained by stupidity ( vegans ) Similar to how people watch tv shows,UA-cam shows and movies of people doing stupid things are so popular.
The flaw in the vegan argument is the fact that it will encourage humans to eat endangered carnivorous animals. For example. I can casually walk into a forest, wait for a tiger to attack me. Kill it, and eat the meat. The vegan argument claims that in self defence, I can kill an animal.
Keep researching about veganism - there's always something more to learn. If you run into any problems, you can go to challenge22.com/ and get a free mentor. Another helpful website is: vegancheatsheet.org/ Great job on going vegan, and good luck! 💚
Can't wait to go out and do these convos with people again tomorrow. You're the one who inspires me to keep doing that and who has taught me the most on how to talk with people for the animals. Thanks so much for your work, keep going, the animals and the movement need you so much!!
RipeLife Its all about what he feels, what he wants, he even said far to many of us and good idea if we got rid of people, culling, etc. I feel he has a very cold, side in his relationships, and in life in general, it's quiet SCAREY I really feel he's not as quiet as he looks.
Makes a ‘point’ and then say well it’s not just that. He’s giving the full spectrum of standard counter arguments of non-vegans. His logic on koalas can actually be used to cull humans.
@@Tom-wg5qc If we progressively stop breeding animals in factory farms and then put the remaining animals on to sanctuaries they can be born on to sanctuaries.
@@Tom-wg5qc They would exist just later. Not all at the same time period. I'm all for infinite people existing or infinite animals, but in ideal conditions or at the least decent conditions. Otherwise you're putting those that don't exist or more precisely you're putting nothingness as in that which doesn't exist above those that do exist, and since they don't exist there isn't anyone to consider. Be like crying because so many more humans could exist but they don't. It doesn't make sense to say what if more existed, just make sure those that exist have a good life.
"Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles" Keep your sign as it is Joey. Oh and by the way, you are a fucking living legend.
Think of all the birds,rabbits, deer and insects that are killed for your diet. Vegans think they have the moral high ground, yet they are part of the killing to
@@christopherarmstrong6198 Veganism is about reducing animal abuse where practicable and possible, read the following before attempting to discredit veganism. www.veganaustralia.org.au/animals_harmed_in_plant_food_production
@john dala Where is your evidence? Even if that was true it does not justify breeding and killing trillions of animals every year. Think why you feel the need to make excuses as a defense mechanism to justify why you continue to contribute to the horrific death of these animals.
Christopher Armstrong I want even talking about things dying. Death is a part of life. I’m just saying that animal products are disgusting. Your milk has piss and shit in it. Eggs come out of a chickens anus, and meat is literally flesh from a fucking dead carcass. It’s sick and demented that people think that tastes good. You wouldn’t take a bite out of a dead animal on the side of the road, but a piece of chicken that’s been cooked is somehow normal.
angela lynch True!! And he said dogs don't taste good at the beginning, then later humans don't taste good. I think he'd eat anything and kill anything. I feel he point blanc doesn't give a sh t, I feel he was hiding a very dark side.... He could be responsible for some missing people or dogs, you just don't know who you're talking to in the streets. Everybody said TED BUNDY was a lovely charming man. But the guy in this vid wasn't fully open☝️
12 year's vegan in 2023 now..I'm still very interested in hearing Joey's conversations with meat and dairy consumers that still pay for the inhumane treatment to beautiful, innocent sentient beings. The ignorance continues...blows my mind. Open your eyes,heart,soul and thinking that the slaughter of family members to me still makes them think about their desire to just keep eating flesh for their selfishness and their ignorance...ANIMALS MATTER...ANIMALS MEAN SO MUCH TO BE THAT THEIR LIVES MATTER ALOT TO ME..ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL...GO VEGAN!!!! 🐷🐄🐑🐮🐟🐓🐔🐠🐝🦐🐣🦀🐇🐾
My God, your patience is a virtue, I'd have knocked this guys block off by now.... Honestly all theses circles he's going around in make me want to hit my head on a wall... This is painful!!
we do and so do all herbivores... male horses have very sharp canines called "wolf teeth"..... and furthermore, "carnivore" comes from specific molars (not canines) called "carnassial teeth" hence carnivorous diet.... which we lack (obviously)....thought it might help in future "discussions". have a good day
I'm only 9 minutes in and Joey is on fire ! 100% on all responses. He hit all the questions and arguments perfectly . So logical and straight forward .
I quite like this bloke. It's clear to see that he is really wrestling with his own conscience and morality, when Joey poses certain questions and assertions. What we need to remember is that, most people have never really thought about animal farming. We are told from birth that eating animals is good. I used to make all of the same arguments as this fella, when I was defending meat eating. I wouldn't be surprised if this bloke becomes vegan if he digs deeper into the arguments for not eating animals.
@@johnnyboy6429 Exactly! I would hazard a guess that 99% of us would have made all of these arguments prior to going vegan. It's hard to break free from decades of social norms, indoctrination and nature (I think that humans are probably natural omnivores that are heavily weighted towards plant eating, in the same way that dogs are natural omnivores that are heavily weighted towards meat eating).
@@curt3494 I keep in mind that people are new to veganism but the way you put it makes it much more personal per individual so ill give you a cheers to that. Good on ya, mate.
@@islandsfuldkorn Not eating meat per se because if someone ate my cats or my meat after we died of natural causes, then I have no reason to think it's wrong to eat that meat.
@@islandsfuldkorn what what? Louis gave you a good answer. Perhaps you've phrased the question too loosely. There are plenty of vegans who don't see it as immoral to eat roadkill for instance.
"if you keep the sign then I'm right" *smug look of relief on his face* that's the moment where he makes it obvious what he really wants, to be right that is all. He gets absolutely destroyed in this argument and clings to the sign because he knows he's lost and doesn't acknowledge that he's lost unless he's forced too.
I’m tired of the statement “There are too many people on the planet” really!! Is that what you really believe? Ok then go and top yourself and give more room for others. I believe there are too many docile people...
When he was saying you ignored his solution re: there being too many people like... what are you going to do, man?? Mass genocide? I thought humans stood up for other humans 🤔🤔 With a redistribution of resources, we can feed the growing population. It's this selfish attitude (i.e. the people want to eat chicken so that's why we eat chicken -argument) that upholds the distribution problem. It's because we only think about ourselves and our pleasure and aren't ready to make any changes in order to live a more compassionate life. Also, if he wants to advocate for better access to contraceptives and abortion etc., he can do that while living a vegan lifestyle and recognizing the enormous environmental footprint and the cruelty in animal agriculture 🌱
@Angela Tillman Indeed they are dying for literally no reason now. They won’t even be used as nourishment - just pure waste. Idk if we should be happy their suffering is ending earlier than “scheduled” or what. Just awful.
@@ronaldkainoa1667 I havent eaten meat in 27years. Im far from dying. When the virus kicked in and slaughter houses closed. They did not want to keep paying to take care of the animals. So they killed them and threw them in the trash. Many were burned alive.
@@angelatillman4323 people are dying from plant base diets..and not enough red meat that is a fact, couldn't care less about you.." DYING" What the hell is wrong with you!!
Joey, what an incredible discussion. You have been dedicated to this cause for so long and I think this discussion does a great job of showing off all that you have learned in this fight. By the time the second half of this conversation rolled around I felt like you had transcended human emotion and were representing empathy on some sort of universal scale. Keep on doing what you're doing, 2020 Joey Carbstrong is a real tour-de-force.
Great debate again, Joey.... Have you considered getting a 2nd microphone? Sometimes struggle with hearing them talk/respond... I'd happily donate towards one....
@Marcell Nagy I'm not sure it would align with his goals to "not be serious" about animal rights. There's nothing unserious about it, especially not to him.
17:30 each species sticks up for its own species therefore torturing others is ok Each race sticks up for their own race therefore racism is ok Each gender sticks up for their own gender therefore sexism is ok
I remember being just like this when I was in my late teens and early twenties until the penny dropped. What is it that is that light bulb moment? I think it is just starting for this man. I can see the uncomfortable anguish and hypocrisy right down to his body language, his searching for an excuse to keep abusing animals.
"It happens in nature every day, it's horrible. Because it's so horrible, and I even admit that, I'll pay for it, that horrible thing, to happen even more!"
I love watching your videos Joey they give me the confidence I need to talk to people I've always felt better standing inside the cube I do better one-on-one yesterday I was live on the radio on Kiss 108 which is a huge radio station here in the United States and I was able to speak for 47 second they were talking about processing meat and I called and said it's not processing it's murdering and then I talked about really key points very quick to put something in their brain to make them think and one of the radio host said she was a vegetarian and after me calling she was going to turn to veganism thank you for helping me and so many others find the courage to be able to speak I've always been an advocate I've just always been nervous about speaking and having confrontation and now I welcome it.
Oh Joey how do you do it. You have the patience of a saint! Animals in the wild they dont have televisions.😂😂 definitely a good idea for him not to have children 😂
I don't think this guy has any morals, I mean, just look at his haircut haha.. anyway, great video as well always Joey and let's turn this planet vegan 🌱
@@kurthalbauer7676 It Is an ad hominem attack, but what makes it a "vegan ad hominem attack." Are you saying that only vegans use ad hominem arguments?
Veganism is a tough battle, because the people we need to go vegan are people like this interviewee. Just very dense, uncaring people. Sadly we need people like these to be vegan but holy f##k.
Why is it so awful for people to want to stop the suffering of animals when it's not necessary, I don't understand why people get so pressed over this. Backwards world.
I think the guy actually indirectly hit on the real explanation... He said that people who were racist or in support of human slavery on the basis of them being a different race were only "stupid people". But there was a time when most of society were racist and supported human slavery. So does that mean most of human society was stupid at that time (at least with regard to that issue)? We could extrapolate that to how most people in society today support speciesism towards animals and their exploitation/enslavement and murder etc based on being a different species, and using his same logic, we could conclude that most people in society today are stupid when it comes to the issue of animal rights. Rather than calling them stupid (his words), another way to put it is that during human slavery, most of society were brainwashed to accept it (apart from the minority of abolitionists), and now during animal slavery, most of society are brainwashed to accept it (apart from the minority of vegans/animal advocates).
God damn, you got patience. I hope these people watch these videos and actually listen to their own bullshit and think 💭 “wtf am I talking about?”. Animal abusers are all the same.
He reminded me of my thought process the day before and shortly after going vegan. I still had questions and probably some excuses still stuck in my mind. I wasn't 100% convinced it would help farmed animals but I knew I had to do something about it and at least live by example. I feel that it's people like him who are still somewhat defensive but also thoughtful that are the closest to becoming vegan.
This conversation went all over the place, but you did a good good Joey at bringing it back to the real issue. I think this guy has a kind soul regardless of his logic. I think he will walk alway looking at things from a different perspective. I wonder if he will go vegan 🌱 💚 after this.
You know when I was a meat eater my mind was so different , I hated it I used to wake up everything around me felt so dark including drug abuse besides eating animals , I used to be afraid to walk around I had Fight or Fly mindset its gone now , because removing animal flesh ... i can walk around much more feel free something that people who knew me from the past will never understand me also I learn so much about my self and people
Every year I used to host a memorial skeet shoot and BBQ. Our small vegan community wanted justification for our actions with the BBQ. We couldn't do it, it took a few years but eventually we quit having it. Just a few of my friends get together now and shoot a few clay pigeons. The meal is all plant based. The vegan community still comes out to the range to see that we are not having any meat or dairy products.
Gabby Mouse Do you have any proof that not eating meat lowers testosterone? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf There’s a link to a study showing vegans having higher testosterone levels than meat eaters. I find it unlikely that Joey is suffering from “low T”
6:00 Somehow i have to agree with this guy. I once asked a friend of mine "If you knew before you were born that you would live a pretty decent life but when you got to the age of 60 you would get cancer and suffer severely from that cancer for 2 years before you die at age 62. Would you still want to be born?" And he said "Yes, as long as i don't know during my first 60 years I would suffer the last 2 years of my life, i'd prefer to be born." That makes me wonder whether also those 70 billions of animals would prefer their current life rather than no life at all. (Of course I'm talking about the free-range animals. Living a decent life for most of your time on this planet is important)
unfortunately most people eat animals from factories, so that example doesn't apply. And even if it did, you're breeding animals for food and we all know/or we can easily find out that humans don't need to consume animals to survive/thrive, thus making it totally unnecessary and not to mention destroys the planet's ecosystems.. the negative/violence is endless, similar to the endless justifications to keep doing something society has imposed/conditioned when you didn't have a choice/discernment wasn't developed.
But that’s invalid because free range isn’t necessarily what you believe, a chicken needs 2ft by 2ft to be classed as free range that’s not the free 60 years of life a human would be able to live
I've noticed that as well, I'm not sure if the companies are actually desperate to deter people who are watching vegan content from going vegan, or make them lapse on their veganism, by shoving 'tasty looking' food in their faces to tempt them back into wanting to eat it. I've noticed these sorts of ads on various vegan videos. Honestly though, for people who have listened enough to what the vegan videos are saying, they're often talking about the propaganda in advertising that the animal industries shove in our faces, and so when it literally happens while you're watching the video, it might drive the point home for you and allow you to see through the bs advertising.
To all fellow vegan Germans out there: there is an animal shelter called Erdlingshof in Bavaria, they're doing a wonderful job in animal right activism and need your support :) Let's make the world a better place 🌱🌼
Sometimes I feel Joey might be a bit in-your-face in his approach, but considering this is what he is up against, I have absolutely 100% understanding for his approach now. I would have screamed at this bloke defending his way of thinking at least 20 times during that conversation. So hard to get through to him...!
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JewsAre TheChosenPeople mummy boy 🍼👦🏻, God doesn’t exist !! I know it’s hard, grow up !! Like elves 🧝🏼♀️, and Santa Claus 🎅🏻, and fairies 🧚♀️, and ghost 👻, and werewolves 🙋🏼♂️🐺, and 🕎✡️🛐☦️⚱️🔮📿💒⛪️🕌🕍🕋🧙♀️👨🏼🦳🧞♂️🧛🏻♂️🧟♂️🧜♂️🧜♀️👼👳🏾♂️👺🙏🏻...... it’s not real 📖. Grow up !!
Stop hurting animals, you psychopath !!!...
@Joey Carbstrong
Can I just say the body language in this video is beyond crazy. I’ve never seen someone look so uncomfortable stay and not flee for this long of a time lol.
@JewsAre TheChosenPeople
Ok, paid shiII. You’re obviously the one brain damaged for doing what you do for work, and sporting a username like that. Nobody cares about your opinion.
You guys are so obvious by the way. I know you can’t help it, because you get paid on the clock to arrive first in threads, but you might get a little bit of points of credibility for trying to be more subtle.
@Leo Licht
Please stop embarrassing yourself with all these emojis.
Anti - Ethnic Cleansing The murderer 🔴?? You’re a vegan ✅???
“I’ve met smart animals, and I’ve met very very dumb human beings.”
Best quote of 2020
@Vegan Tina
"Plus je connais les hommes, plus j'aime Mon chien... tous les animaux, en effet" Madame de Sauvigné (with a personal embellishment).
In other words...
Bazza Barns: "You Vegans care more about animals than people".
Tina: "It's not animals I have a problem with; animals don't whinge to me about how the World doesn't feel sorry for them, the way they feel sorry for themselves... diggit?".
😁💝🎶
@@jewswhoswingssnakes923 Did you know that most cat foods sold are filled with inedible parts of animals that contain zero nutrition? All the "nutrition" and especially taurine that cats need, are just ADDED as additives. Meaning the base "animal body part" could have been plant based, with all the nutrition simply added.
@Meat for all Another way to look at it is, humans are the only animals who are dumb enough to have created the most oppressive form of government (communism) in order to "fight oppression" And after the most bloody century (20th) where more people died due to communism than any other form of government in history, there are STILL people dumb enough to continue to champion communism/socialism.
JewsAre TheChosenPeople We can be perfectly healthy on a well planned vegan diet, so anything you claim about meat not being bad and being good is completely irrelevant.
JewsAre TheChosenPeople Do you have evidence for this claim?
Can I just say the body language in this video is beyond crazy. I’ve never seen someone look so uncomfortable stay and not flee for this long of a time lol.
I actually caught onto it as well and then read your comment. He's trying so hard to br far away from Joey, crossing his arms, etc.
You would be uncomfortable too if a stranger was leaning over you. Joey's body language is clearly confrontational is this guy is trying the keep a safe distance.
@Kurt Halbauer
I feel ya.
Kurt Halbauer I agree. I admire Joey’s activism, but you have to give people their personal space or they feel threatened and defensive. I know Joey’s leaning in to get the mic closer to the guy, but it’s also obvious that he’s leaning in to him in a more confrontational way as he’s trying to make his points clear and that would make anyone uncomfortable. The guy still stuck around though, and it was a good debate. Joey did amazing in his arguments.
@@kurthalbauer7676 wanted to comment the exact Thing. Joey could be a little more layed back :D
Great display of a 50 minutes spree of the commonly used fallacies by non-vegans against vegans. Joey's push-back was absolutely on point.
Actually it’s the vegan position that’s based on fallacies mostly.
@@altevanyan543 Actually it's the non vegan position that's based on fallacies mostly.
If the argument is that he’s being a hypocrite he got him when he said vegans kill bugs. Sure, he argued veganism is reducing the amount of suffering possible but that’s not the argument. He had a point saying it wasn’t on his sign.
@@altevanyan543 you're joking right?
@@joejosephi no it isn’t - the vegan argument is without question of exception COMPLETELY fucking asinine
All of these excuses and weird justifications.. all of them boil down to “because I like it”. That’s it. That’s everyone’s argument at the end of the day. Everything else is semantic nonsense.
I think most people don't give detailed information on why they make the choices they do because it's really not something you just start aggressively sharing with everyone you meet usually.
But, when they do...
And it's a very good argument.
@@laurentfaurite9199 some people like to rape others, is that a good justification?
@@laurentfaurite9199 that’s not an argument thats an excuse and excuse is an absence of a reason.
Wow, this guy didn’t even consider how his wife would feel if he punched her, he only considered how it would affect him. “She wouldn’t like me”. I think this is the problem. People are only thinking about how their actions affect themselves, not the victims. Good of him to sit and discuss and think about it though.
the guy looks like a serial killer what do you expect
my bro i want to eat eggs and drink milk, and life is a survival with some legal rules thats all.
@@cenklol a want is not a need. You liking dairy and eggs shouldn’t be the animals’ problem.
@@simonnaylor3536 I like the taste and i want it, i want to be happy and feel the best way possible and thats why i eat meat, this world is designed in a way that species eat each other and try to survive, we just live by morales and rules because we are human thats all
@@cenklol we breed billions of animals into absolutely horrible existence and exploit them and brutalize them and you think they deserve that because it makes you happy?
Going vegan was the best decision i have ever made. Thanks for everything you do Joey!
"hmm"..."I suppose so"..."you've got a good point"..."lions though" 🤦♂️🙄
Bruh lions eat animals so that animals dont eat all their food source and go extinct
Same thing with humans.
Also if we only ate vegetables. We would go extinct
@Alex Wood actually first of all just because one news site based in the UN doesnt mean that all of the UN wants us to go plant based. Also there isnt a food shortage except in countries in Africa etc. And if countries like the US actually decided to help them it wouldnt be hard. Also we can clean water and salt water by boiling it and treat it in other more advanced ways. Also it actually farm animals only contribute up to 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. Also while all the greenhouse gasses we release are bad. Half a year ago it something like that a volcano erupted in Hawaii and released more greenhouse gas emissions than we have in the past 100 years. So yes what we do is pushing us to the edge. But farming animals contribution to greenhouse gas emissions is nothing compared to factories and volcanoes.
Also antibiotic resistant bacteria isnt solely because of their use on cows. Anti biotic resistant bacteria is constantly changing and evolving. It isnt just because of farm animals. Also I dont think u even read ur article. Because it says only five have happened and they were millions of years ago. And they weren't cause by humans. One of them was actually cause becaus eof a lack of oxygen because of the surplus in plants because there were too few herbivores. And if the world went vegan there wouldn't be any herbivores because we would have destroyed their food sources.
@Alex Wood also we make sure we eat the animals we produce and it also said that plants contribute to 80 percent of all earths biomass and bacteria has 15 percent.
Its is a very delicate balance. We only ten percent of the energy from eating the previous trophic level. So if cows who eat however much food have to eat the undesirable and inedible foods we grow that come out wrong. And have to eat some grass and hay. Compared to us having to eat way more vegetables and still being vitamin deficient and there arent any leftovers we can eat unlike the farm animals which eat our undesirables and inedibles. I'm choosing for them to eat the left overs without destroying nature and using up their food source
And how does us force breeding farm animals affect ecosystems. If anything it should be helping them. They eat their 80 percent of food source and predators like tigers and lions that could be facing extinction will have a bigger food source
@Alex Wood also it isnt because we farm animals that we are over populating. It is because of people living longer and reproducing at the same rate. And if ur concerned about farm animals over populating (because u didn't specify) we can easily eat them to make up the difference. The world could use an overabundance of food
@Alex Wood i dont think u understand though. While it would be a big success if we could remove 18 percent of the greenhouse gasses. It won't really change much. Because that 18 percent is nothing compared to what we have and will still continue to do even if we did try to stop it. Also we will not have *that* much more land available. We would have lot less actually. And even if we did somehow have that much it wouldnt matter. Because the economy would crash and that would cause all those big countries to destroy more trees and more land to convert to our needs to grow food for humans. They would try to stabilize the economy and get ahead and would further destroy the environment to do that. There is an estimated global population of 9.7 billion people in 2050. And it just keeps going up. So even if we did have that much farmland (which we will not) the strain of our dietary needs will be solely on plants. No one would replant trees and even if they did they would just cut them down again as our population grows. Eventually we would be able to allow our soil to rest and regain nutrients and crop and soil quality would go down. It wouldnt be long before humans went extinct. Not to mention before that we would have severe vitamin deficiencies (you can look it up) and tons of animals would die including almost all farm animals, all predators and other creatures like bees. And bees play a MAJOR role in the environment. Believe me there is a very large chain of bad things that would happen if they went extinct which they definitely would. U can also look that up. So while killing animals may be evil. It is a necessary evil.
Welcome to nature
I really love watching those videos while eating vegan food. Thanks Joey.
@@sam-zo6tn you didnt watch the video, right?
@@sam-zo6tn Oh, look who's back lol. What is it about veganism that always brings you back? Try a vegan sausage, bro!
@@sam-zo6tn 1/ "why I should be vegan": why not? What's holding you back? Now that it's all accessible, how can you watch what happens in every slaughthouse and feel it's "neither good nore bad" what happens to those sentient beings? What second hand benefits (health, environmental issues, modern day slaves for farming crops that feed the farm animals 5 to 15 times more than needed be if directly consumed by humans, land use -80% of arable land is used to feed farmed animals-...) would you like to pass up on?
2/ "why animal abuse is immoral": lets look at the definition of immoral=not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics-------->aren't you applying moral principals to guide your life choices? If so, how are they not applicale to animal commmodifying and killing in view of palatal pleasure?
Veganism is based on the fact that no one (not one person ever) has come up with at least one trait that makes commodifying and killing farmed animals morally acceptable when doing the same thing to pets or humans is moraly wrong (at least in today's modern society where we live: moral standards evolve over time which is a good thing right?)
So here's my question to you: what trait, what particular so profound difference is there in non human animals that would make it moraly acceptable to commodify and kill them? (just as a side note: amoral= neither moral nor immoral; unaware of or indifferent to questions of right or wrong---------> I'm pretty sure your not amoral right?)
@@sam-zo6tn “The CDC warns that three out of four new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals, while the WHO, FAO and OIE have previously stated that increased demand for animal protein is one of the main risk factors of a pandemic.”
apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/68899/WHO_CDS_CPE_ZFK_2004.9.pdf
Antibiotic resistance is one of the biggest threats to global health, food security, and development today.
Antibiotic resistance occurs naturally, but misuse of antibiotics in humans and animals is accelerating the process.
@@sam-zo6tn Hello there, may I point out several dietary guidelines in favor of whole plant based diets? It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. Another guidline is the 2019 edition of Canadian guideline which says: Many of the well-studied healthy eating patterns include mostly plant-based foods.
Plant-based foods can include:
• vegetables and fruits
• whole grain foods
• plant-based protein foods
Eating plant-based foods regularly can mean eating more fibre and less saturated fat. This can have a positive effect on health, including a lowered risk of:
• cancer
• heart disease
• type 2 diabetes.
And last example: In the newly-released Australian Dietary Guidelines, plant-derived foods are given as alternatives to animal-derived foods, with meal planning advice accommodating vegan eating. In fact, the Guidelines state that alternatives to animal foods (such as nuts, seeds, legumes, beans and tofu) can, for all Australians, "increase dietary variety and can provide a valuable, affordable source of protein and other nutrients found in meats."
Therefore, maybe you could find peer reviewed scienc based articles supporting your claims? Meanwhile, have a good day and take care.
Humane Slaughter is an oxymoron.
Kind cruelty
Meshari killing is cruel, it’s really that simple my friend. nobody wants to die (bar suicidal people), needlessly forcing death onto others is cruel.
Meshari that’s fair, it’s my application and interpretation of the word. But it’s not like it’s entirely separate from words like ‘wrong’, they’re definitely within the same category. nobody would be confused if i said sniping pedestrians from your car is cruel.
@Peace Space ASMR
What did you just call me?
Kidding... you're spot on.
😝💝🎶
Meshari Because the taking of the animal’s life is completely needless. It wouldn’t be cruel to kill an animal if you were in a survival situation. Just like how it’s justifiable to kill someone out of self-defense and not justifiable to kill someone for fun, it’s not justifiable to kill an animal for a food product we don’t need and it’s justifiable to kill an animal in a survival situation.
'moral wasn't included in the sign'
Hypocrisy is a subject of morality, if one doesn't have morals, then there is no hypocrisy to talk about.
21 minutes in he starts hugging himself, i sign he was uncomfortable with what was put to him .
@Grumpy Vegan Grandad
No it’s just that we all like our personal space, and Joey is invading it the entire interview.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 no - the guy chose to sit there - if you didn't like the distance he would have moved the chair back 😂 nothing is stopping that guy giving more space
@@nicolaoxborough4245 He's not an asshole, that's why he didn't move.
“[Lions] protect each other against...you know a tiger” ummmmmmm
SAME!!! i had to stop the vid so i can take my time in face palming myself
He's an ignorant psycho.
‘This was meant to be quick” - yeah and then he was challenged. The fact that he felt he could just jump in and debunk quickly is a bit arrogant.
Lmaooo did this guy seriously try to argue that a life of enslavement, exploitation, torture, that is ended in brutal slaughter is preferable to non-existence? Ohhh man.
Yes he did. The amount of times I smacked my head during this has nearly made me unconscious.
@@johndouglas9893 Yes. That's like saying human slavery was absolutely ok, because some humans never would have existed otherwise. (some of the masters raped their slaves to get more slaves).
Also, if you never exist, you never exist, and you never know about it.
@@johndouglas9893 I think the answer is t give animals a life preferable to their wild counterparts
@@TheTabahnator wtf? Why would animals prefer a life away from their natural environment?
@@TheTabahnatorthey're bred into existence by us. Comparing their alleged wellbeing to that of wild animals, and using that as a justification for what we do them, is philosophically meaningless. In other words, it doesn't make any sense.
There isn't too many people in the world.. It's our current unsustainable lifestyle that contributes to all the negative effects the environment experiences.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if we also stopped breeding like crazy. Edit: Or stopped breeding altogether 😉
It’s our unsustainable lifestyle plus too many people in the world.
Yes I agree, to many people in the world, there is this Indian doctor talking about plant based that agreed on that too
@@MrDavidSoro The world is over-populated. Sure. I don't understand why people use this as an argument against veganism. If anything, it's a very strong argument *for* veganism.
@Cooper yes there are!
Joey mate you make so much sense. No sane person could disagree.
disagree on what exactly?
@@lammy2140 whether that's true or not, a vegan is left with name calling? that's a vegan's strategy?
@Scott Claremont
I don’t think it is so much name-calling as getting the person to acknowledge what they are actually participating in.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 what would you calling it that they are participating in? then where does that conclusion leave you ? name calling "do you eat meat? "yes "youre an animal abuser" .... "ok ?
Well 99.99% of humans throughout history would disagree
'Like they have a happy life in captivity being mutilated'.. why do they go to great lengths to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make excuses to continue to support animal abuse... watch the videos Joey is showing and comment on that footage instead of using mental gymnastics to justify supporting animal abuse...
Inb4 "I hate vegans"
But still watch vegan videos smh.
Anyway love what you're doing Joey!
@john dala lol at least you think of us dumb people.
We ( vegan opposers ) watch these things because we are entertained by stupidity ( vegans )
Similar to how people watch tv shows,UA-cam shows and movies of people doing stupid things are so popular.
@john dala Why does winning a debate make someone dumb?
@@azn4114 And yet the vegan in this debate was clearly the more intelligent one
@@JasonWilliams89 I would not say so. The vegan guy was screaming and crying more, but the other guy had too many good points
* runs out of every possible argument against veganism *
"your sign didn't specify that i was going to lose"
The flaw in the vegan argument is the fact that it will encourage humans to eat endangered carnivorous animals.
For example.
I can casually walk into a forest, wait for a tiger to attack me. Kill it, and eat the meat.
The vegan argument claims that in self defence, I can kill an animal.
Kinglet mate read your comment again. now take a moment to think about it. do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? be honest with me.
@@j.sparks3211 no matter how ridiculous it sounds. It doesn't change the fact that it's a true statement.
Any tips my first day being vegan 🌱x
This is great! Here's a tip, please watch Dominion so you reinforce why you've made the change: vimeo.com/278963435
Be ready to get stuck in a deserted island
Join a local facebook group, challenge 22 and make sure to eat enough food!!
It's easier then you think it is.
Keep researching about veganism - there's always something more to learn. If you run into any problems, you can go to challenge22.com/ and get a free mentor. Another helpful website is: vegancheatsheet.org/ Great job on going vegan, and good luck! 💚
This guys ran in circles so quickly, so often, that I'm dizzy now. 🤮
That guy looks like he's been raving for weeks
Raving or vaping which one is it
He said raving....
You’re answers to his questions and points are 👌🏼👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I’ve been vegan for 4 days
Are you still a vegan 3 years later?
His logic would be like “Sorry, your honor. I thought it was okay to abuse my wife because suffering happens no matter what.”
Who care his logic or your logic, we will continue eating animal meat.
@Dark Flex what the fuck. Are you afraid of cows and chickens and pigs? Therfore you eat them??
@@sadjklf these animal abuse apologists seem to be failing to defend "their" species from heart disease. 😉
@Dark Flex I'm constantly living in fear of being attacked by a chicken or a cow 🤣🤣🤣
Dark Flex meat eaters are more stupid. They have no morals or ethics. Animal abuser
Can't wait to go out and do these convos with people again tomorrow. You're the one who inspires me to keep doing that and who has taught me the most on how to talk with people for the animals. Thanks so much for your work, keep going, the animals and the movement need you so much!!
“I wouldn’t punch my wife because it would affect my life”
RipeLife Its all about what he feels, what he wants, he even said far to many of us and good idea if we got rid of people, culling, etc. I feel he has a very cold, side in his relationships, and in life in general, it's quiet SCAREY I really feel he's not as quiet as he looks.
Dude is clammy as hell trying to talk about diet
lol yikes he's coughing too does he have friggin coronavirus?
@@spliter227 cool attempt at humour.
@@Scotsmaninspain not an attempt at humor, dude looks sick
That gent was such a sweetheart. I hope he finds that compassionate place within him to make the change. Thanks Joey X
Hopefully this event will resonate with that gent and he will give the whole kindness to animals thing a whirl.
Makes a ‘point’ and then say well it’s not just that. He’s giving the full spectrum of standard counter arguments of non-vegans. His logic on koalas can actually be used to cull humans.
Lions tho guy: "If you killed all the lions, and all the tigers--"
Joey: "I don't agree with that"
6:03 - I would rather be born on to a sanctuary then be born in to a factory farm.
yeah because sactuaries are definetly going to be able to home the 80 billion farm animals that currently exist
@@Tom-wg5qc If we progressively stop breeding animals in factory farms and then put the remaining animals on to sanctuaries they can be born on to sanctuaries.
@@TheaDragonSpirit lets hope you wouldnt be in the 99% of animals that would no longer exist at all then
@@Tom-wg5qc They would exist just later. Not all at the same time period. I'm all for infinite people existing or infinite animals, but in ideal conditions or at the least decent conditions. Otherwise you're putting those that don't exist or more precisely you're putting nothingness as in that which doesn't exist above those that do exist, and since they don't exist there isn't anyone to consider. Be like crying because so many more humans could exist but they don't. It doesn't make sense to say what if more existed, just make sure those that exist have a good life.
Great conversation! Keep up the awesome work Joey, you're doing true good in the world. 💚
love love love these. so excited that theres a SUPER long one this time
@Marcell Nagy lol.
He really opened up at the end of the discussion. I think he’ll definitely be incorporating some vegan options especially where he’s done it before.
"Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles"
Keep your sign as it is Joey. Oh and by the way, you are a fucking living legend.
An effective means of communication. Joey gotta love your spirit of advocacy 💚
It’s so weird to me how people think it’s normal to live off of exploited animals. Disgusting.
Think of all the birds,rabbits, deer and insects that are killed for your diet. Vegans think they have the moral high ground, yet they are part of the killing to
@@christopherarmstrong6198 Veganism is about reducing animal abuse where practicable and possible, read the following before attempting to discredit veganism. www.veganaustralia.org.au/animals_harmed_in_plant_food_production
@john dala Where is your evidence? Even if that was true it does not justify breeding and killing trillions of animals every year. Think why you feel the need to make excuses as a defense mechanism to justify why you continue to contribute to the horrific death of these animals.
@@christopherarmstrong6198 I eat deer, rabbits, and upland birds.
Christopher Armstrong I want even talking about things dying. Death is a part of life. I’m just saying that animal products are disgusting. Your milk has piss and shit in it. Eggs come out of a chickens anus, and meat is literally flesh from a fucking dead carcass. It’s sick and demented that people think that tastes good. You wouldn’t take a bite out of a dead animal on the side of the road, but a piece of chicken that’s been cooked is somehow normal.
I would love to know how he knew humans don't taste good?? worrying
angela lynch True!! And he said dogs don't taste good at the beginning, then later humans don't taste good. I think he'd eat anything and kill anything. I feel he point blanc doesn't give a sh t, I feel he was hiding a very dark
side.... He could be responsible for some missing people or dogs, you just don't know who you're talking to in the streets. Everybody said TED BUNDY was a lovely charming man. But the guy in this vid wasn't fully open☝️
Global Governments must recognise the sentience of other Earthlings...& outlaw Speciesism ❤️🌱✌🏽
I'm actually so bored of "lions tho"
12 year's vegan in 2023 now..I'm still very interested in hearing Joey's conversations with meat and dairy consumers that still pay for the inhumane treatment to beautiful, innocent sentient beings. The ignorance continues...blows my mind. Open your eyes,heart,soul and thinking that the slaughter of family members to me still makes them think about their desire to just keep eating flesh for their selfishness and their ignorance...ANIMALS MATTER...ANIMALS MEAN SO MUCH TO BE THAT THEIR LIVES MATTER ALOT TO ME..ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL...GO VEGAN!!!! 🐷🐄🐑🐮🐟🐓🐔🐠🐝🦐🐣🦀🐇🐾
*I love you all......Live VEGAN*
Love to you brother!
Love back to you.
@@thatisyoga Can you explain why eating meat is immoral?
@Lolita Can you explain why eating meat is immoral?
There are millions of vegans all over the world thriving and healthy. You think you will die without meat? Is it a need or just a want?
My God, your patience is a virtue, I'd have knocked this guys block off by now.... Honestly all theses circles he's going around in make me want to hit my head on a wall... This is painful!!
We have sharp teeth. Where?
we do and so do all herbivores... male horses have very sharp canines called "wolf teeth"..... and furthermore, "carnivore" comes from specific molars (not canines) called "carnassial teeth" hence carnivorous diet.... which we lack (obviously)....thought it might help in future "discussions". have a good day
“Yet to see ethical slaughterhouse footage” Truth bombs
"every argument I put up you say that's special.. that's different.."
.....
I don't think this man understands how debates work
I'm only 9 minutes in and Joey is on fire ! 100% on all responses. He hit all the questions and arguments perfectly . So logical and straight forward .
Omg his body language, he doesn't know where to hide, he felt so cornered
I quite like this bloke. It's clear to see that he is really wrestling with his own conscience and morality, when Joey poses certain questions and assertions.
What we need to remember is that, most people have never really thought about animal farming. We are told from birth that eating animals is good. I used to make all of the same arguments as this fella, when I was defending meat eating. I wouldn't be surprised if this bloke becomes vegan if he digs deeper into the arguments for not eating animals.
Fair point. Its like coping w 2 years of being vegan in 5 minutes
@@johnnyboy6429 Exactly! I would hazard a guess that 99% of us would have made all of these arguments prior to going vegan.
It's hard to break free from decades of social norms, indoctrination and nature (I think that humans are probably natural omnivores that are heavily weighted towards plant eating, in the same way that dogs are natural omnivores that are heavily weighted towards meat eating).
@@curt3494 I keep in mind that people are new to veganism but the way you put it makes it much more personal per individual so ill give you a cheers to that. Good on ya, mate.
@@johnnyboy6429 Thanks, mate! And cheers to you, too 👍
You were on fire in this one Joey 🔥🔥🔥
Just had a completely vegan BBQ with my wife and now I enjoy this vid
Beni Anthony sounds fucking disgusting. Imagine looking forward to barbecued legumes
@@rexcai9444 if you think eating barbecued legumes is the only thing you can imagine, because i wrote "vegan BBQ" i feel pretty sorry for you
I feel sorry for u bud. Ain’t nothing better than some good ol juicy steak. Good on ya tho keep enjoyin them radish
He wanted it to be quick. Almost 1 hour later 🤭
Used the rest of my data on this. No ragrets. Go vaygen 🌱😂. Covered everything, loved it! 🌱 💕
That guy appeals to nearly every fallacy that could exist in the context of the needless killing of innocent sentient individuals
Can you explain why eating meat is immoral?
@@islandsfuldkorn Not eating meat per se because if someone ate my cats or my meat after we died of natural causes, then I have no reason to think it's wrong to eat that meat.
@@LouisGedo What?
@@islandsfuldkorn what what? Louis gave you a good answer. Perhaps you've phrased the question too loosely. There are plenty of vegans who don't see it as immoral to eat roadkill for instance.
@@jenerlee What again...
I didn't understand what is comment meant.
"if you keep the sign then I'm right" *smug look of relief on his face* that's the moment where he makes it obvious what he really wants, to be right that is all. He gets absolutely destroyed in this argument and clings to the sign because he knows he's lost and doesn't acknowledge that he's lost unless he's forced too.
I’m tired of the statement “There are too many people on the planet” really!! Is that what you really believe? Ok then go and top yourself and give more room for others. I believe there are too many docile people...
Joey, we're not even herbivores, we're frugivores! Excellent video though. Great points made 🙏
When he was saying you ignored his solution re: there being too many people like... what are you going to do, man?? Mass genocide? I thought humans stood up for other humans 🤔🤔 With a redistribution of resources, we can feed the growing population. It's this selfish attitude (i.e. the people want to eat chicken so that's why we eat chicken -argument) that upholds the distribution problem. It's because we only think about ourselves and our pleasure and aren't ready to make any changes in order to live a more compassionate life.
Also, if he wants to advocate for better access to contraceptives and abortion etc., he can do that while living a vegan lifestyle and recognizing the enormous environmental footprint and the cruelty in animal agriculture 🌱
I Like this Guy... He's so calm and objective. Thats soo refreshing when Ur used to people getting mad about their consumerism of meat etc.
"It's a bit of a problem when we apply our standards to animals." People really do forget that they're animals as well.
Omg! I'm dying inside. Slaughter houses are closing, but the animals are being mass murdred and thrown in the trash. My heart is going to burst
@Angela Tillman
Indeed they are dying for literally no reason now. They won’t even be used as nourishment - just pure waste. Idk if we should be happy their suffering is ending earlier than “scheduled” or what. Just awful.
you are dying inside... literally...the animals are being eaten not thrown in the trash.. try it,,, it will save you from dying..
Ronald Kainoa
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@@ronaldkainoa1667 I havent eaten meat in 27years. Im far from dying. When the virus kicked in and slaughter houses closed. They did not want to keep paying to take care of the animals. So they killed them and threw them in the trash. Many were burned alive.
@@angelatillman4323 people are dying from plant base diets..and not enough red meat that is a fact, couldn't care less about you.." DYING" What the hell is wrong with you!!
Joey, what an incredible discussion. You have been dedicated to this cause for so long and I think this discussion does a great job of showing off all that you have learned in this fight. By the time the second half of this conversation rolled around I felt like you had transcended human emotion and were representing empathy on some sort of universal scale. Keep on doing what you're doing, 2020 Joey Carbstrong is a real tour-de-force.
That dude is the epitome of "you are what you eat", looks like a corpse.
Enabler ad hominem.
@Enabler Can you explain why eating meat is immoral?
Lynnerup cause someone has to suffer and die for it?
@@kattihatt yes
Jakob Why does that make it immoral?
Great debate again, Joey....
Have you considered getting a 2nd microphone?
Sometimes struggle with hearing them talk/respond...
I'd happily donate towards one....
I think that would've worked better for this individual in particular. Thanks for the suggestion, I will consider running two mics.
@Marcell Nagy I'm not sure it would align with his goals to "not be serious" about animal rights. There's nothing unserious about it, especially not to him.
17:30 each species sticks up for its own species therefore torturing others is ok
Each race sticks up for their own race therefore racism is ok
Each gender sticks up for their own gender therefore sexism is ok
@@patdunn4787 what? I was using the logic he was using to show how ludicrous he was being
@Dark Flex white people are different to black people
This was awesome. Excellent work, Joey.
Amazing job!
I remember being just like this when I was in my late teens and early twenties until the penny dropped. What is it that is that light bulb moment? I think it is just starting for this man. I can see the uncomfortable anguish and hypocrisy right down to his body language, his searching for an excuse to keep abusing animals.
That mirroring tho. 11:01 haha.
"It happens in nature every day, it's horrible. Because it's so horrible, and I even admit that, I'll pay for it, that horrible thing, to happen even more!"
What was this guy on about I couldn’t keep up with his excuses 😭😂 “it’s natural to kill eachother?” “Yes” “but you don’t agree with murder” “no”
@Billy Dragneel if we didnt have moral agency that ultimately became the law, we'd all be fucking dead.
stop being stupid.
Earth to Rosita thank you!
I love watching your videos Joey they give me the confidence I need to talk to people I've always felt better standing inside the cube I do better one-on-one yesterday I was live on the radio on Kiss 108 which is a huge radio station here in the United States and I was able to speak for 47 second they were talking about processing meat and I called and said it's not processing it's murdering and then I talked about really key points very quick to put something in their brain to make them think and one of the radio host said she was a vegetarian and after me calling she was going to turn to veganism thank you for helping me and so many others find the courage to be able to speak I've always been an advocate I've just always been nervous about speaking and having confrontation and now I welcome it.
Oh Joey how do you do it. You have the patience of a saint! Animals in the wild they dont have televisions.😂😂 definitely a good idea for him not to have children 😂
Why do the vegans always look so healthy compared to the meat eaters?
I don't think this guy has any morals, I mean, just look at his haircut haha.. anyway, great video as well always Joey and let's turn this planet vegan 🌱
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Classic vegan ad hominem attack.
Ad hominem attack. Stick to countering his arguments. That's easy enough. (I'm a vegan BTW)
@@kurthalbauer7676 It Is an ad hominem attack, but what makes it a "vegan ad hominem attack." Are you saying that only vegans use ad hominem arguments?
BackFatBetty91 haha lets have a look at ur face then u vegan fuck
Do you still wonder if we live in a world full of sociopaths?
Sounds like he's related to Bill Gates wanting to wipe out most of the humans on the planet 😂 crazy man!! Great work as always Joey 👍
Veganism is a tough battle, because the people we need to go vegan are people like this interviewee. Just very dense, uncaring people. Sadly we need people like these to be vegan but holy f##k.
Slowly, slowly. Maybe our grandchildren can carry on the fight for us if we have any
MIKE MEYERS!!!!!
Why is it so awful for people to want to stop the suffering of animals when it's not necessary, I don't understand why people get so pressed over this. Backwards world.
I think the guy actually indirectly hit on the real explanation...
He said that people who were racist or in support of human slavery on the basis of them being a different race were only "stupid people". But there was a time when most of society were racist and supported human slavery. So does that mean most of human society was stupid at that time (at least with regard to that issue)?
We could extrapolate that to how most people in society today support speciesism towards animals and their exploitation/enslavement and murder etc based on being a different species, and using his same logic, we could conclude that most people in society today are stupid when it comes to the issue of animal rights.
Rather than calling them stupid (his words), another way to put it is that during human slavery, most of society were brainwashed to accept it (apart from the minority of abolitionists), and now during animal slavery, most of society are brainwashed to accept it (apart from the minority of vegans/animal advocates).
The dude on the left needs to read and follow "How not to Die" because he looks like death warmed over....and his arguments are just as bad
I agree. He looks like he’s on crack and acts like he’s brain dead
@@123thesophster yes indeed !
God damn, you got patience. I hope these people watch these videos and actually listen to their own bullshit and think 💭 “wtf am I talking about?”. Animal abusers are all the same.
I thought this was a very good interview
yo just letting you know Joey and anyone else that youtube turned off my notifications for you so had to look you up right now
again and again the same ridiculous arguments..
Wowwww 50 minutes. Thank you for doing this.
Cheers Joey 👋🏻 Tape face from BGT whent vegan that night 🙌🏻 he did try to put up a fight but nothing joey can't handle 🙌🏻🌱💚
You are just fantastic Joey!
This was a really awesome discussion!! Thank you for having this conversation.
He reminded me of my thought process the day before and shortly after going vegan. I still had questions and probably some excuses still stuck in my mind. I wasn't 100% convinced it would help farmed animals but I knew I had to do something about it and at least live by example. I feel that it's people like him who are still somewhat defensive but also thoughtful that are the closest to becoming vegan.
This conversation went all over the place, but you did a good good Joey at bringing it back to the real issue. I think this guy has a kind soul regardless of his logic. I think he will walk alway looking at things from a different perspective. I wonder if he will go vegan 🌱 💚 after this.
This was a great . Keep up the good work Joey .
You know when I was a meat eater my mind was so different , I hated it I used to wake up everything around me felt so dark including drug abuse besides eating animals , I used to be afraid to walk around I had Fight or Fly mindset its gone now , because removing animal flesh ... i can walk around much more feel free something that people who knew me from the past will never understand me also I learn so much about my self and people
Every year I used to host a memorial skeet shoot and BBQ. Our small vegan community wanted justification for our actions with the BBQ.
We couldn't do it, it took a few years but eventually we quit having it. Just a few of my friends get together now and shoot a few clay pigeons. The meal is all plant based.
The vegan community still comes out to the range to see that we are not having any meat or dairy products.
I have no idea how Joey kept his patience through this
Gabby Mouse Do you have any proof that not eating meat lowers testosterone? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf There’s a link to a study showing vegans having higher testosterone levels than meat eaters. I find it unlikely that Joey is suffering from “low T”
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Somehow i have to agree with this guy.
I once asked a friend of mine "If you knew before you were born that you would live a pretty decent life but when you got to the age of 60 you would get cancer and suffer severely from that cancer for 2 years before you die at age 62. Would you still want to be born?"
And he said "Yes, as long as i don't know during my first 60 years I would suffer the last 2 years of my life, i'd prefer to be born."
That makes me wonder whether also those 70 billions of animals would prefer their current life rather than no life at all. (Of course I'm talking about the free-range animals. Living a decent life for most of your time on this planet is important)
unfortunately most people eat animals from factories, so that example doesn't apply. And even if it did, you're breeding animals for food and we all know/or we can easily find out that humans don't need to consume animals to survive/thrive, thus making it totally unnecessary and not to mention destroys the planet's ecosystems.. the negative/violence is endless, similar to the endless justifications to keep doing something society has imposed/conditioned when you didn't have a choice/discernment wasn't developed.
But that’s invalid because free range isn’t necessarily what you believe, a chicken needs 2ft by 2ft to be classed as free range that’s not the free 60 years of life a human would be able to live
This video started with 2 ad's... the first being for STEAK! I really feel like UA-cam is trolling the vegans here lol
I've noticed that as well, I'm not sure if the companies are actually desperate to deter people who are watching vegan content from going vegan, or make them lapse on their veganism, by shoving 'tasty looking' food in their faces to tempt them back into wanting to eat it. I've noticed these sorts of ads on various vegan videos.
Honestly though, for people who have listened enough to what the vegan videos are saying, they're often talking about the propaganda in advertising that the animal industries shove in our faces, and so when it literally happens while you're watching the video, it might drive the point home for you and allow you to see through the bs advertising.
To all fellow vegan Germans out there: there is an animal shelter called Erdlingshof in Bavaria, they're doing a wonderful job in animal right activism and need your support :)
Let's make the world a better place 🌱🌼
Sometimes I feel Joey might be a bit in-your-face in his approach, but considering this is what he is up against, I have absolutely 100% understanding for his approach now. I would have screamed at this bloke defending his way of thinking at least 20 times during that conversation. So hard to get through to him...!