Honest Student Challenges Vegan, But Reconsiders...
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- After challenging the position of the sign, this honest student begins to reconsider his way of thinking.
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Murdering innocent animals !! That’s a coward !! That is a lowlife !! Change as a person. Viruses 🦠, is meat and fish and milk et cetera. We’ve got a flat teeth 🦷😬, hint hint ✅❤️😬🦷💪👍. Delicious vegan food, on UA-cam. Low price, when win situation ✅🌍
@Gay Vegan yes buddy, this is pre lock down 🌱
@@VeganV5912 hey ř,ə,ť,@,ŕ,đ 👋
You love your dog 🐶, or a parakeet 🤗🦜, or a hamster 🐹.... . Hypocrite big-time 🔴⛓😈.
Like Jeffrey Dahmer, The serial killer, cannibal 😈🔪⛓🔴😵😵😵😵... 👈 hint hint 😈🔪⛓🔴 !!! 👈Guilty as hell !!!!
I was murdering innocent souls 🔴, but now I’m vegan ✅, I don’t hurt the animals !! You should too !!!
Where in the UK was this filmed?
Imagine if the average person was like that guy.
Are they not?
@@tissue869 dude just look at the other videos of this
RIOT!
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You're Erin
@@tissue869 No they are not. Most people will deflect, deny, lie, ignore, and be more concerned about "winning" the debate than learning. Most people even when shown on a screen right in front of them what is happening, will still deny what is happening. Like you.
"but we already talked about that... didnt we"
"...Yes :("
Jokes aside, he was a very sound guy, shame the face is blurred because id have liked to have seen the "Aha" moment
Yeah! Fair enough to him though, if he didn't want to be associated in the world as somebody making unsound arguments on a topic he can still learn a lot about, that's understandable. We all get fooled
Respect to that guy. I would never have guessed he was 18 by how he was able to think criticality. Really smart and honest guy I like him
I gotta respect the dude really, not many people can stay humble like that
To an extent.
Edit: OK, was a bit frustrated at him, but having watched it all now I do agree. Best case scenario. I hope he doesn't make up a sketchy justification to keep lying to himself.
@Ross Geller, PhD
Needs to work on his defense and ground game D:
@@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837 I dont like the phrase "to an extent" in this context.
The amount of respect anyone will ever give anyone will always be to an extent - it goes without saying. But since you have said it it makes you sound like you think he only deserves a very small amount of respect.
Imagine if everybody was as level headed as him? The world would just flip into a better place overnight. Hes only 18 so to not have figured all this stuff out already is entirely forgivable, especially given his willingness to learn and adapt to new information. Just seems harsh to actually say that.
@@NowhereMan7 "I dont like the phrase "to an extent" in this context. "
I was just imitating the guy's response, as he seemed to go "well, to an extent..." every time Joey made a good point. I was frustrated and had not yet made it to the end of the video when I posted my comment. I take it back, of course...
...to an extent.
@@NowhereMan7 He does stuff like walk through grocery stores with a bunch of TVs and forces people to watch slaughter houses like peta's take on making their own pokemon game.
This was a really good conversation. You had all the right answers and the guy was humble and open minded. Great one!
Joey: "I can't answer that. I can only answer from the animal right's position." Two honest people talking to each other! This was heartwarming conversation.
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You're Erin
Hahah, I am to have seen this video. Thanks.
You are undefeatable, Joey. Not even taking how you are on the moral high ground, you are just an amazing debater.
By using the koalas and the tragedy that occured here to try make his point about eating meat? All the people he talks to don't seem that bright anyway.
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Vegan for life 🌱
100%💟👍🏼
Who? You? Or are you speaking on behalf of the guy in the video? If so why? You cant know what philosophies hes going to adopt over his lifetime. He seemed very level headed and I hope he goes vegan but all these comments just claiming and exclaiming that hes now a vegan are cringe.
Idk maybe its cos it reminds me of those christian pages where they all make baseless assurances to each other about how jesus is listening and God is there watching over you and everything will be fine, when really they have no clue.
@@NowhereMan7 who? You?
Are you speaking on behalf of all Christians
That's quite a few billion minds you have read. Have a look at yourself
@@randomchipfat937 no not me. The fundamentist Christian pages on Facebook like Ray Cormort Ken ham or on you tube Kenneth Copeland. It's no way near a few billion loonies. More like 1 million that if you added all their subscribers
of course they are not "endangered" they are bred..................but in danger, from the time they are born? Absolutely
Well put!
The Vegans want the extermination of the feed species as per Joeys videos.
"They don't belong on earth, they are created by man, free them all, STOP breeding them and let them ALL die"
Vegans are against animal cruelty but Pro extermination, can you explain this to me?
Marc Paille Vegans are not pro-extinction, but anti-exploitation. If a species exist for the sole purpose of being exploited, it’s better for such a species not to exist at all. Using the same logic, children born into slavery and human trafficking should be grateful because someone arranged and provided them with existence. With that said, it’s not naïve to assume that cows and pigs could be reintroduced to their natural habitats.
@@paille1978 Broiler chickens cannot survive on their own, we have genetically manipulated them to the point where they are no longer a viable species. Their existence is miserable and painful, it is the kinder thing to let them die out. Pigs and sheep, could probably be reintroduced to the wild in a managed way, and eventually re-find their place in the world through Darwinian selection, cows, maybe. Its a process we would have to help them through, possibly for centuries. But first and foremost, what we need to do is stop artificially breeding them on an industrial scale.
Save them by exterminating them? I'm having a hard time following your moral compass of this. Can you explain further
Are you all saying "we should exterminated all which are being exploited"?
I've so much respect for people who listen to the information, and are genuine enough to say they may have been holding a baseless position out of tradition only.
I would never guess he was anywhere near 18 yo. Nice conversation and I hope he aligns his actions with his morals.
#GoVegan 🌱
Don't go vegan
Boars are generally grass and plant eaters. But when times get tough and its dry and there's not much food around they have been known to go attack other animals and livestock like lambs and once they get a taste for meat they generally will stick to meat after that and keep eating it even when they dont have to. Would you call that natural?
If veganism actually became a moral issue, then the next one would be, "Should we clear more land to plant the crops that we would desperately need so we don't starve to death?"
@@sapientbirb7350 Please do a simple mental exercise and think about what the animals eat. Then think some more about if a cow eats less than you do.
Did you answer yourself yet or are you too stupid to get there yourself and need me to answer?
@@distermaer No, they certainly eat more if it was 1 on 1. But tell me, which one far outnumbers the other in population? Which is known for settling in every climate? Which one does not eat grass? Which one needs supplements for a vegan diet? Which one has a history of famine? Which one has the full ability to shape the environment in their own image?
Excellent conversation Joey, you ask the right questions at the right times
Boars are generally grass and plant eaters. But when times get tough and its dry and there's not much food around they have been known to go attack other animals and livestock like lambs and once they get a taste for meat they generally will stick to meat after that and keep eating it even when they dont have to. Would you call that natural?
Millions of years of evolution making a balance of carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores, and people consider these to be the right questions? How about the clearing the land for more crops and the mining of supplements, that would be needed feed humanity if it where to go 100% vegan especially during fall and winter?
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turned vegan boiisssss , thanks a ton joey
for showing the truth
daaaaaamn that's awesome man
👍
I applaud this guy for actually debating Joey; more than the industry has done.
Personally I lost him when he used the phrase "From the beginning of time... [insert bs]", but im really amazed at Joey's persistence.
How do they get the certification if they don't look at the facilities? Trust in the system is probably the worse source of logic; think he's gona start question everything now.
Ikr
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He's like Erin
@@nigerianfam9743🤬That's not vegan!🤬 lol
Now that's hysterical. I can't stand how passive aggressive each of those folk were. Thought that was gona turn all trigglypuff.
Boars are generally grass and plant eaters. But when times get tough and its dry and there's not much food around they have been known to go attack other animals and livestock like lambs and once they get a taste for meat they generally will stick to meat after that and keep eating it even when they dont have to. Would you call that natural?
@@blackouthq4732 Yes. Especially since boars are omnivores, and even a regular herbivore can need a larger variety, like a rabbit eating insects, bears needing grass to start out the spring before turning to meat to last the next hibernation, and deer kicking and swallowing birds.
This was so BEAUTIFUL ♥️
Don't let them drag u to the "inteligence" argument, it has nothing to do with the capacity to suffer ! If someone doesn't have the capacity to understand smth, this doesn't mean he can be exploated and murdered !
Why? Because we live in a world where creatures have to eat meat to survive, and not a fantasy where everything can be vegan without protein and iron supplements, nor have to clear large amounts of land just to plant the crops to feed one species if they were to suddenly turn vegan?
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everytime he said 'hmmm', that was a seed being planted
Wow. Shoutout to that dude!! He was very open and receptive to new information. I wish more people were like him
You really convinced that guy. That was just great!
Hasn't convinced anyone that actually studies biology. We live in a world where there's a balance of carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores. If humanity was to go 100% vegan, then we'd need to worry if it's worth destroying the environment to make room for the crops and supplement production to feed humanity, or let millions of families die of starvation to make room and find a place to dump the bodies where they won't spread pollution and diseases. And at least humans go for a quick death and breed the animals we eat. When an animal does it, it's slow and painful, and it doesn't have the intelligence to realise if it destroys an ecosystem or not.
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@@sapientbirb7350 All that doesn't mean it's right.
@@liamc1102 Based on who's perception. The world's or yours?
Great work, Joey! 😊 You really nailed this one.
It seems like this guy is actually able to selfreflect, good to see that these kind of people are out there.
07:20 this guy plays DnD xD
Finally, someone who was honest and open! Kudos to this dude for actually having a debate and not just shouting at Joey 👍
I agreed with everything you said Joey! I hope people wake up ASAP 🌱
Not gonna lie, cried a little in the end. There’s still hope
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You're Erin
controverg will watch later thanks
@@andreeamarinasi4890 oh sorry not u
Joey is Erin just watch
Tears is the appropriate response to such hopefulness
Me too!!
You shoulda gave him the card for challenge 22
Idk how they're able to make excuses after the evidence is every where. They always try to run away from the guilt.
Every year I hold a memorial skeet shoot and BBQ. In honor of a childhood friend who passed away from a brain tumor at eleven years old. I started the event shortly after he died.
That was back in 1991 and it wasn't until a few years ago that activists showed up to debate with us about the BBQ.
We don't run in shame or make excuses. We tell them the truth that we are selfish people who don't care about nothing but ourselves and our taste buds.
@@shawndarling5855 that's the worst. When you know you are causing suffering but you're fine with that and you don't want to avoid it
@@mehakbharti6210 Well we raise money for St Jude's children's hospital. On top of the skeet shoot and BBQ we have door and raffle prizes.
My friend liked cooking BBQ and skeet shooting. While he was on his sick bed he asked about setting up an event.
The vegans that come out to debate with us every year say there are thousands of vegan recipes and vegan friendly prizes. But yet they don't even offer to help. They just bitch and moan.
@@shawndarling5855 what kind of help do you need??
And recipes are one search away. Why do you need someone else to help you with it?
@@mehakbharti6210 Well most vegan recipes we have seen have been for single servings. We are just getting tired of having to face the truth about what we are doing every year is wrong.
We aren't having it this year because I got orders from the state I can't open the shooting range.
We are thinking next year serving chickpea tempeh, fruits, vegetables, seeds. We also launch different color clay pigeons if you hit a green one you either win a chicken or a package of fish. Instead we are thinking of a four pack of bell peppers or a small bag of mushrooms.
Great work Joey!! These carnists don't understand anything vegan for the ethics and haven't looked back 🐶🐺🦊🦝🐵🐱🦁🐯🐮🐷🐭🦏🐗🐹🐨🐻🐰🐼🐣🐥🐦🐧🦃🐔🐓🐾🐝🐜🦀🦞🦐🦑🌱🌱🌿🌹🌻🌼🌷
All hail Joey! Holding to account everyone! Don’t accept bad arguments or pandering this was great! He will be vegan 🌱
Sorry but I'm not accountable to Joey!
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@Meat for all 😂😂😂 least there trying
@Meat for all You left out Troll.
Vegan M I EAT MEAT AND IM PROUD!
These people are sick. There are literally 3 billion innocent humans across the world that are suffering, witnessing or being murdered, crushed to death and starving and these traitors of humans choose to cry over some entirely different species? It's sickening that vegans spend more money on trying to help animals than their own kind... name one thing animals go through that humans don't and I GUARANTEE I can prove you wrong.
Lol you rendered him speechless but i do admire he realised what bunkum he was talking. Joey did perfect activism here.
@JoeyCarbstrong hi from ireland I'm a suckler farmer I have beef cattle breeds and I'm against the idea of slaughter I find it traumatic and extremely terrible. We take away calves at 7 to 8 months at that stage they are old enough to care for themselves. So I was thinking lately of buying at least 2 dairy cows from dairy farms to free them from slavery and the fact of losing there kids straight away after birth. Hope u see this🍀
An informative discussion. Can't say it enough, but well done Joey. This young lad was misinformed and in denial like many of us once were, but a decent well-mannered chap, and your manner with him was confrontational as it should be but very respectful, which was appropriate for a good honest youth like that. Good for him.
I agree. On another tangent though, mostly nowadays its the elderly that are the misinformed. Those who refuse to believe that they have been acting immorally their whole lives. Who cant learn to cook and shop for new things are so stuck in their ways or arent good at using computers to access information. They will die out first and eventually the day will come when it becomes strange to publicly admit you oppose veganism.
Is a mosquito riddled with malaria as morally valuable as a human being?
When I think about the things that have animals in them it is really mind blowing and upsetting.
Utilizing the whole animal
Dylan Comerford
*exploiting
I stand by what I said utilizing the whole animal. Or do you exploit plants?
@@Coombi93 you know that makes absolutely no sense. Also you know we couldnt just eat nothing. I know its hard for you to see what is happening . We were all raised to believe using animals this way is normal.
Vegans like to make comparisons that's all their arguments are based on. Eating a cow somehow ended up being compared to raping and killing a person. So like I said eating meat and utilizing the whole animal from pet products through to human food. Is the same as buying mass produced plants and deciding to eat the stems and leaves when possible. It is valid. You have no knowledge of how I was raised or what my beliefs are I'm merely pointing out a discrepancy
He actually allowed himself to hear the truth instead of protecting his right to eat animals at all cost.
Joey ❤❤❤❤
NIIICE! I fucking LOVE you, bro!
Love you hench!
Joey is blowing this young mans mind. He is finding out what he thought was true is all a lie.
The people that joey talks to dont seem that bright.
@Meat for all It is hard not to look dumb when you are defending the indefensible.
@Meat for all I don't eat grass but I do eat dandelions in the spring. Go eat a carcass or something that comes from a mammal's mammary glands or ass. Oh wait I thought that would sound funny...but you actually do that, pal.
@Meat for all Only a real man can kill a fish. Do you have nothing better to do besides bragging about it on vegan channels? lol...get a life McTrollerson.
@Meat for all A guy debated Joey. You and another meat head called him ignorant. That is a "discussion with vegans"? I'd bet my life his IQ is vastly beyond yours. You write run-on sentences. They teach kids around age 6 and 7 how to avoid that. Here is a children's educational video to help you in the future :) ua-cam.com/video/tctBlKEg1dw/v-deo.html
By saying that you think you couldn't go vegan. Already setting yourself up for failure, not hard to be vegan
It got awesome near the end :D
Brilliant
Just to let anyone know that are interested, that many vegan's like myself did not stop consuming meat, and dairy because we didn't like the taste.
child's play
not only were meat and dairy disgusting but leather and fur just looks bulky and extra when a simpler garment would look good anyway
Being a vegan and saying you care about domesticated animals is hypocrisy.
you are correct, animals should not be considered "stock". vegans care about individual animals lives.
@@clydea.hutchisoniv5742 fixed it
vegans don't have to care about animals, we just care about their rights in the same way I don't care about you but I still wouldn't think it's ok to enslave or kill you. actually vegans don't even have to like animals
Mhmmmm meat is yummy for my tummy yummy yum yum I just wanna succulent rack of ribs and a nice juicy thick meat burger 🤤🤤 how yummy will that be? It’s just funny how you vegans think raiding farms and shit is okay but eating meat and other animals is not okay for you? It’s called “The Circle Of Life” and also the cows and pigs and all those animals that got turned into meat, they were sacrificed to be put on our plate 😂😜
Aiden Scott yea that’s right aiden meat burger are really nice bro
I hate when people compare animal intelligence to human intelligence, We can't do things animals can do and they can't do what we can't, each species perceives their reality as their own and have their intelligence built to survive the threats they face, totally different from humans. Most animals can even avoid natural disasters just by paying attention to their environment, humans can't do that at all unless they check their phones XD And also let's also point out how a lot of animals can learn human commands and do tasks for humans yet our dumbasses can't understand a single meow a woof nor can we adapt to live our lives their way.
Compared to the way animals are clever enough to listen to their instincts & can practically read our minds, humans are dumb as rocks.
cows aren't things though. they are live beings
The Celtic Lass Yes, bravo, a cow is a cow. What else?
@The Celtic Lass No need for me to whine about it, science explains it clearly enough.
Wow! Thank you Joey! I really liked his honesty and how you calmly but truthfully dismantled his flawed arguments. Thank you very much! 🌱
12:08 - They predicted future outcomes and try avoid that is a little clearer, it kind of sounded like they could do fortune telling. Ha. But I got what you meant. In the same way a chess player predicts your future moves.
What you have never had a cow read your palm? They are amazingly accurate!
@@dragonskylords9032 Ha. No can you give me directions and translate what the cow says?
@ little bee man. Please tell me how bee keeping is also natural and non exploitative. Are you sure you dont clip the queens wings to ensure that she produces honey for you? And is stealing morally wrong?
I was the same, I thought if it had a label on it it was humane and I also really believed it was all humane until I saw the footage from many slaughter houses. Smart young lad, and honest too.
MUCH RESPECT for this guy, that was an amazing conversation. He was in denial at first like he himself admitted, which is something most of us, at least myself was also at one point, and he kept himself honest and objective.
Seems like a really nice guy, I sure hope he goes vegan.
Thank you for sharing Joey, keep up your amazing work!!!
JOEY thank you for all that you do for animals! i think we also need to push for better welfare laws as vegans.
because most people don't care about how horribly the animals are being treated and murdered.
but as vegans, always have a clear message to everyone: to stop the exploitation of animals! and the goal is always being vegan!
P K but animals are too delicious to stop eating!
@@lorddimitri1269 it's what i used to think too! we're so used to the taste of animals, cow's milk and eggs that we are desensitized to the taste.
try not eating animals and cow's milk for like 6 months. then taste it again and you'll see how it actually tastes!
i didn't eat cows, chickens and fish for like 6 months.
when i ate them again i was extremely disappointed. they didn't taste as good as i remembered at all! it's not even good, it tasted a bit disgusting. the smell too.
i also tried milk chocolate after a long time (the chocolates that used to be my favorites). i almost threw up.
it tastes like how COWS SMELL and the taste is the smell of a dairy farm that's left in your mouth and throat the whole day! it even hurt my throat and it was a heavyness in my breathing.
you can also feel the cow smell by just smelling dairy products like chocolate.
It's not murder as it doesn't follow by the definition of the word. And if it did, it'd be a crime. But since it's not, the word can't be applied here.
@@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX no matter what definition you use, it's still killing an animal and taking their life from them. when they also want to live.
doesn't make it more pretty or better. it's the exact same action. to take someone's life intentionally.
the definitions of murder are also: to slaughter wantonly, to put an end to, tease, torment, mutilate, mangle.
humans do all those things to animals.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder
we have no idea what laws will be implemented in the future. it probably will be illegal one day.
the animals who will be illegal to kill for consumption first are cats and dogs. it's being criminalized more and more.
Wow awesome job man! Way to stay persistant until he realizes his hypocricy.
I love this! Great job! You inspired me to do outreach as well on my UA-cam and TIK TOK! THANK YOU!
Keep it up! You are right that your style of activism isn't the problem. It is 100% on the person's character. If everyone was like this young man everyone would be vegan!
First
wow impressive!
Wow Joey, very good...
Too worried about being politically correct and his human egalitarianism while trying to avoid the truth and his accountability, despicable. "emotionally think" wtf does that even mean
Thank you for speaking up for the victims.
I don't save koalas.
I would eat them but they apparently taste bad unlike beef, chicken, pork, venison, kangaroo and fish.
You could make a very nice coat or hat from koala fur though.
Do you think that animals that kill other animals and humans are thinking what they do is unethical?
Or course their not.
We as humans have the right to kill animals just as they have the right to kill us.
Eat more meat Australia.
Just don't bother eating koalas when we have so many more tasty animals to consume.
Get some pork on ya fork.
Joey I would like to ask you a question.
Does being a convicted criminal that says he has changed but still supports the criminal activity of vegans that trespass, break and enter, steal livestock, damage property and illegally film law abiding citizens businesses make you a hypocrite?
People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I'm proud to be free to eat what I want.
And meat, eggs and dairy is my 1st choice.
😄hahahagha,first of all you gave yourself a thumb up, second you´ve been sexually abused by both your father and uncle😢, and I feel so sorry about you. The world has been so cruel to you, but that´s not the fault of these poor creatures.
Do you think if someone does something, that justifies you doing it?
@@HerbEVore-ti6hs
You need help.
@@mattearle1867 no, its you! The most difficult part of being an obese, traumatized, abused weirdo is to understand that you are one.
Awesome discussion and even more awesome that this dude if following threw instead of just getting angry or going even deeper in denial. What a cool dude!
And btw the argument he is making at 14:12 is plain wrong. Pretty much all farm animals would live way longer under natural conditions then they do in mass factory farming. They are only allowed to live until they are big enough to get slaughtered and not a day longer.
-> www.clearlyveg.org/blog/2015/07/16/average-slaughter-age-commonly-farmed-animals/
He actually did prove him wrong with the endangered species argument though, you could save koalas for reasons other than moral.
pretty smart American had good points I thought not aggressive like interviewer
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Farout man that’s a true insider that’s messed up had no idea thanks for letting me know what’s happening sorry for my comment
Joey the hypocrite is into it again
I love people who are intellectually honest. And for an 18 year old to be so is outstanding. I've seen videos of others street outreach where teenagers laugh and just act like smart asses. This guy has the morality of a 35 year old.
Attitude of supremacy, discrimination, and ignorance of the sentience of other life. That's it basically. Most humans have wrong views.
Wow Joey VERY VERY interesting debate here. Your deabting skill are where you excel
Brilliant video! Well done Joey. This guy was very honest and you were the one leading him into honesty. He could be the next vegan! 💚
Just a question? Why don’t you highlight that one of the biggest “difference” between humans and animals is that animals actually CAN’T TALK? They are voiceless. It is a point that could make some people think, in my opinion!
I'm someone who argues with vegans who don't actually understand what there talking about, or have an obvious flawed view. I thought this guy was one of them. This video showed me otherwise. My complement means nothing but it's definitely a nice change. Your not 100% correct but who is?.
Not a stubborn man. Smart cookie. Message received. That one conversation could've sewn a seed that might save 700 animals from torture and abuse, yet people claim Joey's activism is ineffective
IT IS OUR MORAL OBLIGATION TO LIVE VEGAN.
Yes, dude. Fair trade is pretty bogus. Fair trade won't guarantee that the chocolate you eat wasn't harvested by slave children--Fair Trade chocolate is sourced from all over the place. I think Equal Trade might be a good label.
It's great to see that there are young people that aren't so staunch and stubborn in their views can look at something and change their view, It took me 30 years to change my views and about 2-3 years of being stubborn that RSPCA and all the bullshit turns were good for animals. Thanks for everything you do joey and your activism is effective I don't care what apologist vegans say I know it works, it made me think and change, coming up on 3 years Vegan.
Sounds like the process I went through, went vegan that same moment. Sucked the next day because I had nothing to eat but UA-cam videos saved the day.
Make sure you stretch before doing mental gymnastics ladies and gentlemen!!
Him going "...to an extent..." triggered me at some point, but overall he really seems to be starting a change of heart.
You have that in some other debates, but what I missed in this one was focussing during the outro on "how easy is it to make these changes": like naming restaurants in the vicinity that have vegan options, what to pick in the supermarket etc.
This guy was a good debate partner, though he did often say 'yes' to blatantly wrong and harmful views/habits, Hopefully that changes over time.
I am flabbergasted by the poor arguments of these educated young people. When universities and academic institutions will start lecturing about ethics in a serious manner we will be probably be facing a breakthrough.
Hey mate, do you have a link to an article about the RSPCA receiving money to certify farms? I would really like to read more about that as I hear so many people banging on about how their meat is from an 'ethical' farm.
🤔I wonder what people would think if they are told that the delicious meat balls they just ate are from a golden retreiver, koala, panda or squirrel
It wouldn't bother me.
Great conversation, really cool guy! If everybody would be as honest as him, the world would be vegan in a few years.
At first he seemed like the typical non vegan throwing up the same old excuses we've heard time and time again, but as the conversation went on, I noticed how he got more intelligent, he was honest, admitted to the cruelty he paid for, and was opened to new info. Hope he made the switch by now so that this wasn't just a play.
Wow Joey thank you for opening people's eyes and hearts you are exactly what this world needs peace brother 💚
Great work Joey!!! But, please with the films you are suggesting he watch, don’t forget to pass out the vegan 22 challenge card or at least give them the website so that people like that young gentleman actually have resources for vegan eating and not fail because they don’t know what to eat or what the options are! Keep up your fantastic work!! Vegan for life!
14:50 - As more and more people avoid animal products, less animals will be bred using Artificial Insemination. This massively increases population of animals on farms, it's an abnormal amount of animals bred. As more and more people avoid animal products, a lot of animals will be rescued and live on sanctuaries. The sanctuaries will let animals have their own families at a natural rate which is far less rate then what farmers bred animals at. If there isn't enough room the sanctuaries will get more room, but at a certain point they will also think of ways to reduce the rate of sex, IF that becomes a problem. So animals aren't born in to a horrible situation, like on factory farms. One can predict this outcome and make choices, keep males and females separate for a while. Just to slow the rate. While I know some say that is removing the right to reproduce, if all animals starve to death then that isn't a positive outcome. It's easier with humans as we say have less children, but it's not so straight forward to communicate this with animals, but maybe in the future will have better ways to communicate with animals.
Joey should go protest gazelle rights to the cheetahs in Africa. You reckon the cheetah gives a fuck? No. And nor do I.
Finally, he agreed that he is a hypocrite when he said your argument is more logical but I still eat corpses.
I liked the ending.
Of course humans should not his species in extinction or vulnerable to extinction. That's just common sense. But vegans make it sound that it's bad to eat animals because they are cute. If koalas were not vulnerable to extinction I don't see a problem eating them as game meat, if their meat is nutritious like deer meat for example.
His body language towards this guy and the way hes speaking hard and fast towards him is a but aggressive. A tactic used to make someone look uncomfortable and seem off balance in a debate.
Cattle are dumb. But it's horrible, it's horrible.
Great conversation, Joey. I wish more people were willing to look beyond the veil like this dude.
ok joey i have something to tell you
being a vegan solves nothing
we make farms to feed people so we don't starve, and yes i support your message kinda you don't want animals to be tortured in some giant huge brick building living sad heartbreaking lives i hate that. that's fucking gross but i still wanna eat meat so i suggest for you to open a free range farm you see this is how it works. its like the farms you see in movies a range where animals roam free and wild as they want. but the eggs still get collected cows milked and pigs killed (when there old or lived a good life and had kids)so the animals still live a good life. and the people still get there food its not explotation nor abuse its just actual farming where animals live good lives and people still get food. and lets talk about being vegan, so first off people can lie and yea its not that really often people lie about being vegan but one time a dead fish was seen in a vegan video (i think i don't know if its true) and this is good proof that sometimes people lie about being vegan, now the other reason is vegans try to force there belifs on others, if you do this then you show that your not good at convincing and use guilt to persuade people to go vegan,i find this really fucking scummy but if you have some actual reasons then i'll listen like this guy he had his reasons and you had yours,now the third reason is people still abuse animals even tho there vegan, no matter if your vegan or meat eater people abuse animals and kill pets (im looking at you peta). and im glad that you didn't straight up guilt trip him you actually had reasons to back up your mindset.
If veganism is so attainable and possible for the human race, why don’t vegans aid those who are starving world wide? If it’s sustainable, if we can feed everyone in this way, why haven’t efforts been made to address this?
Abel Abel I’m not trying to limit what they can eat
Abel Abel that’s fairly bold of you to assume it is personally unnecessary for me to consume animal products. That fails to concern my dietary needs, and the environment in which I live in as not every environment is conducive for farming vegetables. Also, if we are all equal, why would we have differentiations in what some people are allowed to eat? Just seems like something else that can divide the world. And it’s fairly easy to make these broad based arguments that you are making. I eat animals so I am a murder. That same type of logic can be applied to everything. If you have any form of technology, you support child labour and modern forms of slavery as certain minerals for phones and computers are extracted by child labourers in appalling conditions in Africa. I could say you support sweat shops or other inhumane work areas, as I’m sure there’s furniture or clothing in your house that originated in areas where people are unnecessarily taken advantage of. If you’ve ever flown in an airplane, I could say that you are murdering the planet and do not care for the environment, as airplanes are horrible for your carbon footprint. There’s alternatives for all of these things. Sentient beings are affected by all of these practices. It’s weird to claim moral superiority over someone or deem their actions as unnecessary, when you’re still causing harm to sentient beings.
Abel Abel I personally don’t see an issue with eating animals. I don’t see animals and humans as equal. If you think a cockroach and a human are equal than that is absurd
I had that same realisation as that guy did towards the end. I had to really dig deep to admit I was completely wrong and it was at that point I became vegan and never looked back.
8:24 - If a group of humans collectively form and are more able to restraint people, they're the elite best of the best, no one can really stop them. Do they have the right because no one can stop them to enslave those lesser able then them?
These stupid arguments go in circles like a revolving door. Too greedy to give up cruelty!
People are soooo against arbitrary discrimination until you tell them that they directly participate in it by not being vegan.
Well articulated again JC. No BS is where it’s @.
A man who's knows that he doesn't know everything is truly wise.