Stargirl Season 2x9 | Jay Garrick & JLA Vote Clip | HD Scene
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Stargirl Season 2x9 | Jay Garrick & JLA Vote Clip | HD Scene
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As a 90s Flash fan, I will never get tired of seeing Shipp playing a speedster.
He's awesome as Jay garrick
Me neither! But now, given Shipp's age, I prefer seeing him play Jay Garrick than the Earth 90 Flash.
Jay Garrick is as Superman as he is Flash 😊😁
@@justingary5322 What does that mean?
@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff Reas what I said it means he's inspirational and truthful unlike some heroes
I love it when Jay treats Pat like a member of the team
No matter which Earth we’re on, Jay Garrick is awesome.
Every member no matter the role is important even if they don't fight.
Well, he did grow up in the `30s when Americans actually showed some hint of givin` a rat`s ass about democracy after all!
He got it from barry Allen l/grant Gustin
Jay Garrick is such a good dude. He may not be the strongest member on the team, but he has a heart of gold.
When you really think about it, Jay was probably the only JSA member who valued Pat's input at this point. Even Sylvester was dismissing his opinion until he went through with the kill. That seriously sucks.
Sylvester is also a lied
Everything to protect my family but never killed his brother in law
Hey he even went after almost dying in hiding like a coward and let brainwave kill his sister and nephew but
He just was probably afraid of hourman and wildcat
I think Johnny Thunder also liked him, and more than likely Green Lantern given what Jade told Pat.
Sylvester tried to do it Pat's way at first but then The Spectery Green Lantern,... got killed
@@mrj4082 nah they just got beat they didn’t die
@@ChrisAtheist what???
"He doesn't get a vote!!"
*Jay Garrick "He Does!!"
I love Jay Garrick man. The epitome of an actual hero
Wildcat is making me feel like punching him
@Aidaninsask and CBS 90s Flash
John Wesley Shipp; the Flash of 3 worlds.
@@scottd.delano2810 Earth Prime, New Earth 2, Earth 90.
@@the_varunrvel technically, he's the pre-Crisis Earth-3 Flash residing on Earth-Prime; Earth-3, as far as we know, didn't combine into Earth-Prime; he and Joan Williams are multiverse refugees who naturally retain their memories of the original multiverse.
This was such a sad scene. Jay Garrick was the only one who respected Pat. Phenomenal show, with phenomenal writing
Cause he is Flash and he's not mean and disrespectful to anyone
At least Hourman isn't as jerk like as Wild Cat, I feel like the worst two are actually Starman and Wild Cat
If you look throught Pat's flashbacks, you'll see that every member of the JSA respected Pat except Starman who only thought of him as his sidekick and a driver.
Yeah I respected both Pat & New Earth 2 Jay better than those jerks & hypocrites
Jay the Flash I honor you...
Love seeing John Wesley Shipp back as Jay Garrick again. Especially after Crisis.
It's always great to see him as Jay Garrick!
Man I still love him as the old school 1990's Flash!!!
In Crisis he was reprising his 90s Barry Allen Flash.
I haven't seen Star Girl. Is this the same Jay Garrick we see in the Flash tv show, or is this an alternate universe Jay Garrick?
@@bigdoubleu117 AU, Jay's Earth 3 was folded into Earth Prime after Crisis.
@@airsoul366 yeah which i don't get because barrys dad is the same guy
This was the darkest moment for the JSA. Poor Pat, trying his best to keep the team's humanity together, trying to be a part of it and getting rejected for having recognition by the majority of the team. The tension between Pat and Sylvester will surely resurface next season thanks to Eclipso's flashbacks
Wdym by next season,the season is finished? Oh damn i didn’t realise
@@darthyoda8170 looks like someone doesn't watch stargirl. The latest episode aired is 2x09. 4 more episodes left in the season
@@nvapisces7011 “looks like someone didn’t watch Stargirl! 🤓🤓” I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t watch stargirl 💀
It was so nice to see JWS reprise his role as the Flash. It was classic Flash, which fits the theme of this show, and also connects to the larger DC multiverse without really involving the Arrowverse characters directly.
I really hope with this crossover going on the The Flash right now will open opportunity for a crossover with this show. It would be great to see The Flash be shown the way Stargirl is. 👏
It's always great to see John Wesley Shipp play Jay Garrick. But it's not really clear if he's playing the same Garrick here that he plays on the Flash show.
@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff I'm pretty sure it's a different one. But let's hope that means for a crossover if his character is still alive.
@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff I think the costume is slightly different, so I assume it's just a different universe. It still was cool and lends credibility to what's come before by having him there.
@@davidm4566 No, John Wesley Shipp even said in an interview that he wears the exact same Jay Garrick costume in both Flash and Stargirl... Obviously, Stargirl and Flash are set in two different universes. Yet, there's still a very simple way it could be the same Jay Garrick. Like I said, I explained it in my video. Please just search for a UA-cam video called: "Jay Garrick on Stargirl: What it means for the future" and listen to that simple explanation.
Seem Jay the only one treat Pat nicely
Yeah, I agree. Side note, I'm glad to see in the same costume from the Flash series. Jay is definitely the righteous one in the group.
You are right! When you mention it, even in the earliest flashbacks, Starman was always a colossal prick to Pat! Pat must’ve had the soul of a saint or the conviction of knowing of what he did or what he was apart of truly mattered(justice) in this world, personally I would have told them to f-off a long time ago, especially Sylvester! Now that I recall in all his(Pat’s) stories about the JSA, he always seemed to spin them in the ultra-noble, larger than life point of view, which personally I think is a mistake to Courtney! I believe that showing their frail human flaws or failings as human beings makes the accomplishments of the things they’ve done in their time that much more legendary!
@@aaronsteel853 that was purely a cost cutting messure
wasn't Johnny Thunder also nice to him?
@@WardNightstone Apparently it's the exact same Jay Garrick that's on the Flash. John Wesley Ship has said so. So it's implied that he moved to Earth 0 after the JSA was disbanded
Pat should have left after what wildcat said "i'f i'm not a member then my vote doesn't matter "
I agree. It seems like they did not treat him with much respect.
Wildcat was even disrespectful to Pat in episode 3 too
Pat should left the JSA completely
But sadly he was an idiot who was loyal probably because of Sylvester
@@diganta22 I think in that instance he wanted to keep Pat from getting killed, given the high stakes and the fact that Pat at the time had a young son and no powers/abilities. Not excusing his behavior here, but this is an extremely high stress situation with everyone’s families potentially under fire and Ted probably had an idea of how Pat would’ve voted anyhow.
@@TrackMaster844 There are other flashbacks from previous episodes where they treat Pat the same as this one.
Pat was just the sidekick but valuable to Jay and Starman(even though he hardly showed it but felt it).
The wildcat costume looks really great here, the mask fits so much better in him than yolanda
But as Courtney mentioned when Yolanda put it on, the suit's supposed to tailor itself to fit the wearer; "one size fits all" were her exact words as I recall.
Probably just something weird in the costume department.
Looks incredibly stupid.
@Rick Walters corny asf
@@SaiyanGamer14 more like creepy Asf 😬
I haven’t seen this show, but god I love Jay Garrick. Grant Gustin is a great actor and I’m glad they gave him the role of Barry Allen
, he kills it, but Jay Garrick feels more genuine. He is more grounded, less irrational, can sit back, look at a situation, and figure out the best way to handle it, and has a heart of gold. Jay Garrick will always be the best flash in my opinion
It's all about experiences, JWS as his Barry had his reckless moments, but as a seasoned hero (being both Barry and Jay) he's a lot more grounded and chill, also every Flash is always looking for the way to handle a situation or saving even their enemies, that's the characters' strength. Jay, Barry, Wally and even Bart are the best.
Jeeze that mechanic line is fucked up could you ever imagine Batman telling Alfred "you don't get a say because you're just my butler" ?!?!?
this show keeps getting better and better
You think so? Overall, I liked Season 1 better than 2.
@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff for sure but this was one of the best moments though
@@delgadom07cr99 This was one of the most memorable moments of Season 2. I don't disagree with you there.
I will say this, Pat was treated like Dirt at times but this is also a heated and desperate situation. I don't think Ted meant what he said, and even if he did he clearly changed the way he thought of Pat as shown in the third episode of Season 2. He did try to cheer Pat up when he said he had a kid to look out for and that there was nothing more important
Nah I'm pretty sure Wild Cat meant it.
I agree that he meant it. If he didn't then he wouldn't have treated Pat as dirt to begin with. It's because he viewed pat as being inferior to actual members he did so hence we can conclude he definitely meant what he said
Soundin like a Trump Supporter when you say it like that...
@@ThePickAndPlay No need to bring politics into this. Especially since I'm not very political.
@@cptboomerang6317 I just meant by all the swerves and turns in logic
How can you believe your own acting in suits like these? The actors are really strong here...
Apart of me really hopes this Jay Garrick is the one from the Flash, since he wears the exact same costume, acts the same as him. Maybe in season 8 of Flash he will admit he lived through the ISA attack, and figured he had to leave his earth to be safe or come up with a plan to stop thr ISA
He actually is I believe, because he said he fought in the 40s for a while
Two different universes
I came up with my reasoning for why Jay and Joan were on earth prime: Jay and his wife left earth 2 following the death of JSA and Jay believed that the JSA were not what they used to be, hence his and Joan’s exit from Earth 2
@@michaellucejr.6374 Now after Stargirl's finale, he's back to Earth 2 probably
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Isn't Jay Earth 3
i hope when star man returns pat stand up for himself
I'm hoping for that too.
He's a douche and a hypocrite.
He did not deserve Pat's friendship and loyalty.
I know this is a sad scene, but I can't stop thinking about how Pat is dressed like Ed from Ed, Edd n' Eddy.
glad someone menntioned it, was thinking the same lol
You just blew my mind! 🤯
Now you said it. I can't unsee it
I love and hate that i can't unsee it
Now playing the same character of 2 separate Earths. Playing the Earth 3 version (who made it to the Post-Crisis Earth Prime) and Now Post-Crisis Earth 2 :)
Joel McHale as BOOSTER GOLD would be a great movie
Oh shit that DOES seem like a great casting decision. Who would play Ted Kord's Blue Beetle then?
@@benwasserman8223 Ted Kord. I could imagine Adam Scott from "Parks and Recreation".
I never liked booster gold
But if he comes then he should be in DC legend's of tomorrow after all if I remember correctly he is rip hunters father
Fuck yes
Ryan Reynolds as booster gold is better. Literally go back in time for him to steal stuff then come to present day as a hero. Classic Reynolds character.
I find it curious that Sylvester mentioned having a family when he died in the comics. accidentally touched by Mr Bones. it was made very clear that he didn't leave anything behind just Pat (we didn't even see a black lantern of him)
His sister Merri (maybe this was before she was killed by Brainwave).
A shame that there wasn't an episode of Stargirl to show in flashback the entire Justice Society at a meeting in their headquarters.
Great show keeps getting better!!
Is it better than batwomen even with the actress changing in season 2
@@patrickcanedo6466 it is in my opinion this and Superman and Lois are the WB strongest superhero shows.
@@antrodriguez5582 yeah I hope the two shows get a crossover someday
@@dreed138 I so totally agree that would be phenomenal.
Personally, I liked Season 1 better than 2. But I'm glad to see that other fans disagree.
This is the show I wanted for sure!
I love how they just decide that since the vote didn’t go their way they get to not go along with it. They absolutely would have demanded cooperation if it were the other way around.
Oh they finally did the real Wild Cat. Alright I’ll watch it. They earned that.
its been good since the beginning hahaha
It is a good show pls do watch
Ummm you did all that for a male wild cat…
@@apratedr8290 Well not yet, I still got 4 other shows to get to, I’m not exactly free during weekdays. But yeah anytime, I see actual effort to emulate the source material believe that should be rewarded.
@@assassinsknight well, if you actually knew anything about the source material, you'd know that Yolanda Montez became wildcat after ted grant died.
Sometimes there’s those impossible choices no one wants to make unless there out of options and really out of ideas
that is what Pat and Jay don't understand
So....either we put the dangerous person in most secure prison so he/she will never hurt anyone ever again or....kill
As Jay said, you're victimizing a victim; kill the vessel to stop Eclipso, even though the vessel is not the one to blame.
Is killing the vessel the right call?
Ethics.
@@zdine2155 So, what I'm hearing is, the ends justify the means? It doesn't matter how many innocent people you turn into collateral damage.
@@scottd.delano2810 the needs of the many out way the needs of the few
I really wish they didn't just say doctor fate AND the spectre both lost. Meanwhile spectre's power goes hand to hand with anti monitor. Does not make much sense to be honest
Well, the Spectre's powers tend to fluctuate depending on the event. At his strongest, I've seen him arm-wrestle the Anti-Monitor. Other times, I've seen him struggle against angry magicians. It really depends.
John Constantine once said that "On the occult power scale, he goes up and down more often than a wh*re's panties."
@@anthonyeldridge4358 he nearly destroyed all magic in Earth-1 at one point during one of his tantrums (or was it New Earth? I lost track)
@@anthonyeldridge4358 maybe depends on the vessel as well??
Eclipso is up there. Trust me, this isn’t bad writing. In the source material (comics), Eclipso is up there. Saying Eclipso beat the Spectre is not crazy
@@Generator-gc2jo Also true. Eclipso had the Spectre's job, but he was a little too intense and merciless about it and God fired him.
1:26 - This coming from the same man that didn’t allow Pat to help out against the ISA because he had a kid and that there was nothing more important than that. Also, I’m pretty sure Jay’s outfit was more comic accurate from the photo in Season 1 than it does in this episode. I know this is the same costume JWS uses on The Flash but still.
With the photo thing, we can probably assume it was taken long before the Eclipso stuff happened considering the JSA disbanded after taking him down and didn’t reform until much later. So Jay probably upgraded his suit sometime between the photo being taken and Eclipso’s attack.
I'm surprised they got the future president to play Pat.
JAYYYYYYYYY❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️❤️💓💓
I really hope John Wesley Shipp does a cameo as Jay Garrick in the new Flash movie that comes out this Summer.
A very good scene of the actors for doing such a good job reminds me a bit of an identity crisis. Ironically, here is Flash who is against that. I know it sounds weird but I find it interesting that Sylvester agrees with the action gives him a little more personality of the character than although we will never really know this version of the jsa you do get an idea of Who they were.
It reminds me of Civil War
Jay is such an awesome guy.
Wow. I think they look better than when they were on Smallville..
Starman was the only character here that we ever saw on Smallville, right?
Man I read about these guys in comic book episodes of justice league and their greatest comic book story ever made called "kingdom come" in the 90s
And the CLASSIC crisis X comics in the 80s it's good to see the classic justice society's wildcat and hour man on tv after so many years keep it up and
I'll look forward to more justice league action every week on the CW
If I was Pat, I would have said get your own goddamn car ready
I wish to see them fight one day in an episode like badasses together.
John will always be the Flash
I wish Jay could've been in a few more scenes
I got to meet John in a convention here in Houston one time. Surprisingly down to earth, he’s much more taller in person.
"You can get your own damn car, Star Douche."
The JSA are crap in this show. Pat is just as much of a member as anyone of them and the fact that they treat him like trash shows their character is lacking. Starman expects Pat to do what he says but doesn't even stand up for him when Wildcat disrespects him.
Right!!
Absolutely! I would have left them long ago with that constant mistreatment.
It was a broken team if you watched the ep it would make more sense
@Dark Shogun - You clearly haven´t read a single JSA comic in your entire life... Pat being treated like sh*t is kind of a running theme/joke in classic DC canon (like everyone treats Meg like sh*t in Family Guy). Even in the 40s comics he was seen as kind of a loser xDxD
@@LBF522 I would have left them either and joined ISA
I see Barry coming over to this show
Dear god no, he’ll ruin it like it’s just another timeline
They never said he's coming over
There will be a crossover the cw mentioned it.
@@KoltVEVO what do u mean Barry saved a whole universe all he did was make a one mistake and it was flashpoint and so did jay and every other speedster including thawne
Is this Jay's original earth or is he yet another doppelganger of the same character in another earth. What I mean is. Is this Jay Garrick the same Jay we've seen in Grant Gustin's Flash?
That's a great question
john wesley shipp said in an interview that this jay is the same jay we all know but earlier in his timeline
@@dcworld1076 so that means this is jay from earth 3 rite that’s only way it makes sense
Love this scene, but It's the JSA, not the JLA.
Guess Pat should have joined to the JLA after these heroes treated him so disrespectfully.
Lol wildcat knew even tho he is a crazy legendary combatant and can fight on par w superhumans, he listens to a OG like the flash out of respect and knowing flash can kick his ass
It takes a special five night event to bring together additional heroes over on the "Flash"... However, On "Stargirl" they do it practically every Tuesday 😉😉😉
This is how you put story over mindless action and monster of the week filler episodes. I never gave two shits about John Wesley Shipp's Jay Garrick character in The Flash series. I'm referring to that show on the CW, I don't even care about THAT Flash show or any of the other CW shows there for that matter. But the way Jay Garrick was in here was pretty good, it was fine. No stupid 'running his fingers across that metallic hat', or silly 'hat tricks', no speed special effects, just one BIG character piece on the JSA of 'old'. Good stuff!
Facts.
i agree!!!
So you never watched the Flash then, because this is identical to that show 🤷♂️🤫
@Bart Allen FACTS.
Negative much
i love to see this: THE OG JSA THE HEROES OF THE GOLDEN AGE
I really hope this show doesnt overstay its wecome and ends after like one or two more seasons before it gets back like all the other DC shows.
Well, to be fair, it's not ran by the CW, so that's a positive. And it's followed a completely different series style than the others, opting and for a continuous story from the get go, rather than catch a baddie thrown em in prison and done.
Quite similar to Superman and Lois actually haha.
So there is reason to be hopeful, but, I do agree I hope it doesn't end up failing as time goes on...
@@mastere6115 wait if it’s not ran by cw, how is jay here?
I wish we could have gotten a whole Justice Society show. :I
Wildcat is a fan fave, but wow was her harsh
💪👍💪
Zoom : never forget, I am the fastest man alive. Jay : you who now .
I would've voted yes as well. Sometimes to defeat an enemy, you have to kill the enemy
Even if it means killing a poor innocent idiot that got tricked into becoming Eclipso's host?
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 If host can't be saved, then yes
Agree
@@BamBam-3886
But if they can, then what? Will you regret, knowing that you could’ve save an innocent person? I would only kill an enemy if there’s no other choice, but if there’s a way without ending it in bloodshed, then I would take that.
@@MelianLimGachaVideos If I had someone to protect, then its worth it
When I first heard John Wesley Shipp would play Jay Garrick on Stargirl, I hoped for something more than this. So when I first saw this scene, it was disappointing... But looking back at it now, it's not a bad scene at all.
Same! I also like to think maybe this Jay Garrick is the same one from the Flash show, but he and Joan Williams arrived to that earth, shortly after the JSA were defeated by the ISA.
@@michaellucejr.6374 That's possible!
It’s weird that wildcat said he shouldn’t get a vote but they all rely on him to get the car ready
Happy to see old flash, so cool to use the same actor from past & current Flash series.
JAY GARRICK IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
Jay should of said to Ted "And what are your powers? Give that suit to Stripesy and he could be more of a hero than you."
They should have made a season 4. This show was great.
1:05 "That's enough, Ted"
Use me as a: we want more Jay Garrick in Stargirl button
Why do I have a feeling that Starman is gonna be season 3's main villain? Cuz it looks like its building up to happen
whaaaaaaaaaat, an Arrowverse show with good writing? I might start watching stargirl
Stargirl isn't the only one superman and lois has good writing to
its not arrowverse
@@ItsOver9000Productions it is
oh sick jay garrick on star girl
I was hoping they'd make the lightning bolt bigger but oh well
He’ll come back in the next few episodes
"When the chips are down, these civilised people? they'll eat each other"
Guess the Joker was right then.
Glad they had the same actor for Jay even though Stargirl isn't apart of the Arrowverse.
We gonna find out that Pat merc'd them all cuz they disrespected him, also hasn't Jay been in all the DC TV shows now?
Flash and Stargirl lol 2/8+ 😂💩
@@beardupbeerdown7355 he means appeared, which is mostly correct. Counting the crossover episodes he was in that is
@@KoltVEVO COIE was a movie 🤷♂️
@@beardupbeerdown7355 coie Is not a movie
Well i don't know if the elseworld crossover opening count's
And I don't remember him in all crisis episodes
But he was in almost all arrowverse shows
So this would have to have happened after Zoom right, seeing as Jay has the helmet?
No, this show is not set on the Arrowverse.
This version of Jay despite having the same actor (and sadly the same suit) as Arrowverse Jay *is not* the same one.
No the Jay from the Flash is from Earth-Prime (formerly Earth-3). Stargirl is Earth-2. So this Jay is the doppelganger of the one from the Flash
Weeeeelll that would’ve been the case had crisis not occurred which according to Gideon on the Flash resulted in I think 14 billion changes to the universe, which she offered to go over to Barry but he said no, so realistically this could be one of those changes
@@JamesPosseHunt ur saying this jay in star girl is from earth 2 and is earth 3 jay garrick doppelgänger who is now on earth prime but it makes no sense if this jay is from earth 2 then how is there a Henry Allen from earth 2
@@kinglewandowski2819 Stargirl is in New Earth 2 pal. That Earth 2 with Harry Wells doesn't exist cause of Crisis
Im a flash fan so when jay garrick first appeared in stargirl i actually lost my mind.
Did you not know in advance that he'd be appearing?
@@johnvem949 hmm i had a feeling since jay garrick is also with the JSA but youre right i didnt know he would appear in that episode.
I was kinda scared of this scene I thought they are gonna attack Pat and Jay
Jay is alone enough for them
@@diganta22 Hourman's powers vary, but in some he is Flash's kryptonite.
@@matthewhecht9257 flash is faster so he could run away or the faster you get the more power
Jay Garrick might not be the fastest or strongest but he is the wisest.
Lol. Those costumes...
Show some fucking Respect 4 Pat!!
Justice not Vengeance!
Man I really need to catch up on the arrow verse lol
I think I just found a new a show to watch 😊
I heard this series is pretty good. Is it worth checking out?
I only came here because I saw Jay Garrick
2:24 - Did Starman just reveal that he actually is Courtney’s father 🤔
no he's not
He has a sister who was the wife of brainwave
Didn't you watch season 1? Courtney thought starman is her father and because of that she thought henry Jr (brainwaves son) is her cousin
@@ChrisAtheist Oh yeah, you’re right. Whenever I hear that line, I immediately think spouse and children. Thanks.
Can we please get Spectre, Dr Fate and the Hawks in some capacity now?
I like to see the Spectre on Stargirl.
@@jarrettmoorejr1403 Spectre would be great. I just don’t understand how Spectre and Fate could be defeated by the ISA. Yes, the last episode explained that the child’s death split the team and left them distracted but Spectre and Fate could never be defeated by people like the ISA
@@thekingoffandoms8126 Iirc, someone said they where defeated by Eclipso, not sure though, could be wrong. But yeah, Eclipso is pretty damn powerful, especially as he used to be a Spectre iirc.
The 40-Year-Old Sidekick
I mean since Sylvester started the superhero gig at a very young age...
I really need to start watching this show.
its great you should give it a try
I kept forgetting Shipps version of The Flash is in the show and it’s awesome 😁😎
0:51
Batman: I don’t wanna kill,….but we’re running out of options
When you think about it slyvester was probably mostly thinking of pat
Now I’m finna start watching cus damn so much suspense 😭
"Not sure" got a point.
I hate how the JSA dismissed Pat, except Jay.
Amazing a few years and John is still playing flash
A few years😕More like a Decade😂😂😂
@@NakidMan9000 and what is in a decade
Is this the same jay garrick from earth 3 or a different on I people keep saying this jay from earth 2 but it’s impossible because there is a Henry Allen on earth 2 so there can’t be 2 of the same Doppelgängers born on the same earth
Damn not even Spectre could stop Eclipso.
Also this is why Jay is my favourite member aside from Hourman 2, Johnny and Dr. Mid-Nite. He is a true hero and respects everyone powers or none.
In the comics Eclipso has beaten him before.
@@matthewhecht9257 Is Eclipso that powerful!? I thought he was a C-list villian
@@nicktroisi6347 at full power he is the most powerful DC villain
@@matthewhecht9257 Jesus
Fun Fact : Everyone's blaming Starman but that night he didn't kill Bruce Gordon and neither of them did.
My guess is that it wasn’t even a fight at Bruce Gordon’s mansion. Starman, Hourman, and Wildcat probably put Bruce in a situation to kill himself. The opening scene basically hinted at that but also zoomed into his ex-wife’s picture. Another person probably played part in it too which leads me to the Shade.
THE SPECTRE COULDNT STOP HIM
Probably because he didn't wanted to hurt the human host
Or because the spectre had a human host which depowered him alot
@@ChrisAtheist The spectre needs a human host so that’s not the case. And he’s not invulnerable. He’s near omnipotent but can be hurt by strong magic, and eclipso in the comics is not some random supernatural entity, he was the previous spirit of vengeance before the spectre, so I assume that they’re at least equal in power
@@cortesyes I know who eclipso was eclipso was replaced by spectre
And no the Spectre doesn't need a human host after he defeated Eclipso
But it's clear that somehow the host decides how powerful he is ,in some Hosts he is stronger than in others
And I hope they use the God's spirit of vengeance Origin and not the bad origin Created by humans evil
Why is Starman a superhero again
Flashback
Umm do you really not realize this 8s a flash back I thought it was so obvious
@@mvp-the-evilgamer Pretty sure he means why is Starman a superhero, because their actions weren’t very hero like
Why is Rex tyler horuman a hero?
I'm pretty sure his origin is comic accurate which means
He was working for the company who poisoned and killed Many people including Icicle's wife and in comics he even knew what they're doing and didn't do anything because he was trying to get superpower which he then managed to get by the hourglasses he created
I'm sure he has the same origin here which makes him even worse than almost the whole ISA
@@KoltVEVO I'm not too sure about that one but maybe
Eyyy wildcat always wanted to see him
if the spectre aint stopping eclypso, none of these lot will
I'm with you. These heroes have to be terrified. Eclipso took out the 2 most powerful magic heroes, along with other heavy hitters.
They should have honestly changed Jay's suit for stargirl so that nobody confused their jay for our jay in the flash make it a bit comic accurate but same material as the suit john is wearing right now
John Wesley Shipp says he feels comfortable working in that suit. So if this is what took to get Shipp to play Garrick on Stargirl, I won't complain.
Run Jay, Run !