how TikTok is killing breakcore
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2022
- bye bye drum and bass, TikTok is renaming you
sewerslvt is not breakcore
TikTok is killing breakcore, crazy I know right
I don't think anything can stop it.
no more ambient drum and bass
no more liquid drum and bass
no more jungle
no more Venetian snares
breakcore history
Sorry to the commenters that I read out loud, I took your criticism seriously but read it in a disrespectful tone for entertainment purposes. Thank you for helping me to understand what breakcore is, but it is also not going to be that for long, due to circumstances outside of our control.
take this video as more of a prediction than a value statement.
I hope some people at least learn that there is a difference between ambient drum and bass and breakcore from this video
Video inspired by (but also an arrgument against) how Spotify is killing phonk -
• How Spotify is killing...
#breakcore #tiktok
maybe the true breakcore was the friends we made along the way
🤪🤘
true
Be honest, None of us have friends
Ngl finding out about this type of music 2 years ago was fucking wild. Tho you can't make friends through it. People that like this music doesn't exist in real life.
. lol basically same - bt now tiktok made it well known etc
phonk was killed by tiktok, now it's breakcore's turn
the app is too powerful for its own good
@ayazel ♱ Yes
They also did that shit to mgmt
Homies came back from the big three era just for TikTok to make it worse.
DJ Young Vamp, Soudiere and Smokey still strong tho
@ayazel Fax
This reminds me of what happened to dubstep. That genre has changed so much and so many people confused house, trap and other genres for it.
it's all just edm. Burial is still making dubstep and it's still really interesting.
@@BioHazardCL4 burial hasn't made anything close to dubstep since the Kindred EP in 2012 :///
I enjoy the current state of ‘American dubstep/brostep’ but that’s just me. It definitely got mixed up with a whole lot of different stuff during the 2011 era onwards
@@BioHazardCL4 lol wut? Burial has gone full ambient/experimental now and although his early work has Dubstep influences, he invented what is now termed "Future Garage" (he'd hate the term but it is what it is), which itself is also in a downward spiral, turning into ambient shit with weak FG "sounding" beats.
to me dubstep is just trap/edm but really ear hurty and with some meaner sounds
i didnt even consider what the original dubstep might be, ill have to look into that now :D
7 years of listening to break core and people are finding it through tik tok just now
Or either the goddamn fnf stupid mods
why is that bad? it just means more people are getting introduced to it.
it isnt rotting like phonk tho, it pretty much maintained it's spirit, excluding some artists
@@amzrosevca meu pai me apresentou o gênero de música jungle dnb, é realmente bonito de se ouvir breakcore, jungle dnb, seja lá o nome, dos anos 90
@@Someone-fo4rb nah the sound is completely changing
I got into breakcore in 2005 and it was the shit! Then I joined a cult for like 15 years. Came to my senses and left the cult and immediately got back into breakcore and was absolutely floored at how the genre had grown🤘🤩🤘🖕
Damn, from one cult escapee to another glad you got out man. Shit's scary.
@@Cobalt985 thanks bro the shit is scary but the funny thing is I spend so much time researching cults now to try and figure out wtf I was thinking! Turns out it can happen to anybody. Q/ maga has been insane to watch materialize in real time. Bat shit crazy repurposed tired beliefs!
I believe I skipped a chapter 😀❓
Spending 15 years in a cult is crazy, at this point you can't say that you left them, ..you're them.
@@h.n.r_funi3324 I agree. I was in the U.S.M.C and got out on a bad conduct discharge but I still love the Corps because its a cult and we did culty things like have a Hymn and a Creed and overcame a crucible. I was in a religious cult for longer due to family but having been in the marines I could see the bullshit in the cult and having found Christopher Hitchens I found the bullshit in religion. 🙂
I kinda just think breakcore should be like “breaking” your samples/breaks with both effects (reverb, fuzz, flangers, ect) and with your chopping to make it sound aggressive and different enough from the original samples.
Yea I can agree with that, problem is that isn’t always what’s most popular.
I think it should be whatever sounds good honestly
@@Vergence pfft i know a way to make dope breakcore. use the gross beat and Dblue Glitch . distort the amen with the destructor.
Timestretch any sample to the point it has that spooky vibe. then add reverb and boom.
@@Vergence I'd argue that breakcore wasn't made to be popular.
It came from IDM and Digital Hardcore that where both experimental and radical.
Breakcore then became a safe haven for weirdo, queer, freaks and geeks going above and beyond to make the most unlistenable, uncompromising and avant garde music.
There's nothing wrong with breakcore going mainstream, but when the whole genre is entirely based on being frenzied nonsense, there's nothing left when you strip that away.
its just the fact that most people want something thats easy to listen to and they call it whatever sounds cool or catchy. drum and bass doesnt sound cool enough for the tiktok kids with the attention span of a goldfish
I think the problem with "genres will change" is that DnB and Jungle aren't dead genres. They've remained pretty popular for the last 30 years, and are pretty well established culturally in terms of stuff like definitions of genres/subgenres. Phonk was pretty underground when Drift Phonk started blowing up and changing the definition, but DnB has been having decently large music festivals in multiple countries for the last 30 years, as well as getting large amounts of airtime on mainstream radio stations like BBC Radio.
So while Tik-Tok may be able to change the definitions of Breakcore/DnB/Jungle/etc. to people who're relatively new to the genres, I think it's going to run into a brick wall trying to convert anyone who's been listening to these genres since before ~2019-2020 and/or anyone who got introduced to the genres through more well established artists. And the latter group exists in sufficient enough numbers that they're not going to be as easily drowned out as with what happened with Phonk.
tl:dr: I think DnB is enough of a cultural juggernaut in certain parts of the world that the redefinition of Breakcore will only become a region specific phenomenon, at most.
Basically... American (for the most part) dumb kids will try to classify any type of dnb/jungle as breakcore and it will remain like that for them as long as it is a popular thing within tik-tok... soooooo... A couple years at best before they mess with another kind of music, and those who get into it for real will probably get educated on the subject. It's kinda stupid how things get popular this way now among the newer generations, but I guess the best we can do is to show them the right way if we get the chance to do so.
For me? Techno from the 90s
Totally agree, for example at the DnB festival Boomtown in the UK there is always a breakcore stage and if you went there expecting ambient / atmospheric drum and bass you would have had your ears blown off. This relabelling of modern atmospheric jungle / dnb definitely just seems to be the case of a smaller, mostly online community (and mainly new to the genre / american as u said) applying a cool label to their music and then trying to export it out into the wider internet through music platforms and tiktok, creating another parallel branch of the electronic music canon.
When the trend dies and their new microgenre becomes more saturated, they will definitely hit a brick wall trying to communicate any of it to the general mass of people who still enjoy the larger spheres of the DnB/Jungle/Breakcore subgenres - which are still going hard in European underground and mainstream as it has done for the last 30 years!
10/10
found this comment really interesting!
on the flip side, i wonder if some of these people/communities will fissle out INTO the same sort of people who started before 2019/2020 like you said
i mean personally i found my way into this genre through machinegrl and sewerslvt but as ive listened and enjoyed and seen more ive appreciated the ambient/jungle that originally sorta appealed to me i guess? breakcore is certainly a very good genre for the small underground audience it attracts but i guess for a more general audience like those on tiktok, the sensory overload and general chaos of breakcore is really good at bringing people in but those who stay may learn to appreciate the world of dnb as a whole
"That's not breakcore it's dnb"
"no it's atmospheric jungle!"
"no it's modern breakcore!"
_meanwhile, the artists themselves_
I really like making *_"music"_*
summary of most artists who just like making music💀
its agressive music.
Honestly, I don't think it really matters what it's labeled the music itself is still the same
imo mfs need to stfu abt this shit bc jungle is literally just british dnb and sounds exactly the same to me lmao
I personally don't like the direction breakcore is heading because it all sounds sort of boring to me. A lot of the experimentation and creativity that defined the genre is gone and it's been reduced to "just copy wat sewerslvt did lawl". It's not inherently bad stuff it just seems kinda soulless and almost like a cash grab to me. I also dislike the crowd it's bringing over, they annoy me a lot lol but there's nothing i can really do about that. I'm gonna predict it'll get its popularity and die out within a few years, same with phonk (i also hate what happened to that genre but when something gains that much popularity that quickly its obviously gonna overshadow the original fanbase and there's nothing you can really do about it). Hopefully after it falls out of mainstream attention it can return to its roots of being a little elitist underground community again lmfao.
I can understand how it can be frustrating to have your community taken over. It’s honestly like musical gentrification.
i agree with this statement
hmm for me its kinda the other way arround. i got to love breakcore for sounding soulless and insane yet intelligently abstract. it helped coping with your chaotic mind as there was no room left for distracting or negative thoughts.
life still managed to fall apart years later, countless addictions, shady dissoctiative drugs induced psychoses, depression, anxiety, etc.
discovering sewerslvt and this whole new style of "breakcore" really hit you right in the feels. it just resonates deeply and is so comforting and magical. it turns all the negativity into something more beautiful so you can appreciate your existence for what it is. kinda like that. idk its the search for pleasure that got you into this dark place, now youre suffering, but atleast you feel like youre not alone and the ambient sounds are comforting and full of madness and love.
(i totally understand what you mean by "seems like cash grab", that definitely is the sole reason for some artists to make this music ._. yet isnt that always the case when some genre blows up to the mainstream?)
it just makes no sense to label both styles as breakcore, they are totally different, little in common, why is there no name for it? its more like breakfunk than breakcore. sewerfunk, idk...
also just because there is a new style taking over the world of breakcore, doesnt mean true breakcore will disappear. like 10 years ago brostep and melodic dubstep took over the world, yet the original underground scene never stopped pushing out endless new tracks. its so awesome how there are almost infinite subgenres in all of music imo.
why am i even typing this XD too much kratom or what
im just tired of seeing people argue about breakcore vs this "new breakcore". also why is nobody talking about glitchbreak, hardcore breaks, lolicore, ... by that tiktok logic they should be called breakcore aswell
@@Lance3015 breakcore is jungle Derivative until it evolved into a different branch. then making different flavors "subgenres" of breakcore.
that's what I see.
Breakcore... a cash grab... 😂😂 right, like people are scrambling to buy breakcore 🤣
In the end I figure you're just listening to the wrong crowd... Clonepa and goreshit for example are two that are still making great pieces. Sewerslvt and the wannabes may be popular now but they don't define the genre or its future at all. Breakcore won't just die, it's already embedded in so many styles and the hardcore scene.
I just think the fact that venetian snares , sewerslvt, maladapt, and (some) eprom all being called breakcore is just funny because of how very different they sound
Breakcore is very diverse though that's the good thing about it. You have one genre and a ton of styles
@@DschungelKatze There's a unifying aspect to Breakcore though - the break. And splices. And new "Breakcore" had none of that. They're pretty much different genres being called "Breakcore" just cuz the artist has made like 1 track that was actual Breakcore
@@jjQlLlLq Maybe, haven't heard a lot of new "breakcore" but there's definitely not enough slicing, breaks are just there as they are. It's kinda hard to define the genre of this kind of sound somewhere among dnb, breakcore and drill'n'bass
@@jjQlLlLq ua-cam.com/video/40FJhPerCHo/v-deo.html
i mean even with the break being a tie, splicing breaks is part of jungle and dnb, breakcore has always been weird and hard to pin down
no one ever mentions how big of an influence gabber was on it though
@@jjQlLlLq Tons of them have splicing and sewerslvt has tons of splicing so unsure how her music isn't breakcore. Plenty of her songs aren't but they weren't intended to be breakcore. She has lots of different genres.
Tl:Dr : TikTok Breakcore lacks fun.
My huge problem with this, is that what is labeled as breakcore today mostly belong to other genres.
Sure, Kanye made Hip Hop in a way that was unheard before, but we could'nt have categorize it in any other genre at the time.
My problem with Liguid & Ambient DnB becoming the new breakcore is that it's not breakcore taking a step forward and branching to a softer sound, it's breakcore taking a step backwards and encompassing a sound that pre-date it for almost a decade.
To the contrary, while Phonk now has nothing to do with 90's phonk (Wich sound kinda like Bones or $uicideboys), it's still a logical evolution from it's codes to a newer audience.
Also there's a genre called IDM wich is also a one of the many genre that spawned breakcore and is defined by forward thinking, weirdly chopped drums over soft or melancholic soundscapes (for exemple : Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, half of Goreshit's discography etc...).
What I would really consider as the primary component of a breakcore song is it's absolute mayhem and chaotic rythm, humorous and/or horrendous vocals samples and song subjects and the shear freedom it.
If it's complex but quite soft, there's no reason to call it breakcore, it's IDM.
If it's repetitive, it's DnB, and there's nothing wrong with that.
To be breakcore, your drums should be chopped, glitched, pitched, reversed, stretched, rearranged etc... Beyond recognition.
Your samples and synths should be frantic, unpredictable and humorous.
If breakcore was an internet content, it would be the UA-cam poop of music, there's no rules except go mad and have fun going in the most unexpected direction.
I don't hate TikTok Breakcore, but you won't see a Britney spears track with overbearing distorted Amen Breaks on top and a documentary style voice over talking about scatophilia or serial killers while a vocal chop of Mario play a theme from Touhou.
Breakcore was supposed to be one of the last frontier of deranged freak art
And that, for me, is quite the loss.
To be honest, 100gecs is closer to breakcore than most recent breakcore is
The problem with that definition is that an artist like Renard could be defined breakcore by this definition, which I dont think they really fit in. And when you listen to goreshit for example (my introduction to breakcore together with VS) then you have alot of ambient dnb, like Fine Night or the composition, but also some clear breakcore (atleast I dont know how else you would describe burn this moment into the retina of your eyes or the albums he made from '12 to '16). Or listen to igorrrs early stuff: pretty clearly breakcore and now he makes metal music. The problem is that because the genre is so variable, its artist constantly diverge away from it. Hell even VS has a bunch of tracks I would just categorize as ambient (have you listened to Hajnal?). Some of sewerslvts earlier stuff was pretty clearly breakcore and I dont think jvne deserves the hatred she gets for "destroying breakcore" by diverging from it in a direction she liked.
Though I agree that I get annoyed when I just want to blast my brain away and all I get recommended are ambient tracks (which I definitely like alot of the times, but we all know it, its not breakcore)
@@carlosdumbratzen6332
Well, maybe we don't have the same definition of breakcore, but for me most Renard albums clearly fit in.
And for Goreshit, as you said, he diversified his sound and made Breakcore, Ambient DnB or Harsh Noise depending on the album wich is fine.
So did Igorrr with metal and he still put out more classic Breakcore tracks from time to time (Very Noise for exemple).
And yes, while I think Sewerslvt didn't make a lot of Breakcore, mostly sticking to Ambient DnB, she always kept that chaotic and playful approach that define the genre and i don't blame her for destroying breakcore either.
She has a very diverse sound and explore many genres under this project such as Dark Ambient, Trip Hop, Industrial Techno, Noise, Witch House, Gabber... while keeping a very breakcore-ish craftsmanship to it.
The problem is that people who discovered breakcore through her work don't understand what parts makes it breakcore.
They only keep the palatable part of it throwing away the complexity of the textures design or unconventional drum processing that makes her work stands out.
Therefore they think that late 90's ambient DnB with Yamaoka-esque pads and a few stutter on the drums are Breakcore, and that's where lie the divide.
And people wonder why I listen to breakcore thats 6 years old instead of any of the new stuff. It’s so damn boring now
i think the "angry" factor is really important, breakcore must be aggressive. there is a whole new school of artist doing really complex drum programming, but the synths are kinda soft, drumandbassy with clean pads, like SeyNoe, strxwberrymilk, vertigoaway, or System ST91 (i love them all). It would be a good idea to create a new name for this. I've seen some people that are using the term "orbcore", but the funny thing is that this term was created by Bye2 to name his music, and Bye2 it's in the sweet spot inside the realm of real Breakcore, being aggressive enough to be part of the genre, but also using clean pads layered with dirty ones.
0:24 i fucking cried when they added some random ass va's in camellia's crystallized.
camellia doesnt deserve this.
please stop.
bru i couldnt agree more, hate this song with my life
I dont think the "genres have to change and evolve" really applies here with the case of atmospheric dnb, considering that dnb and breakcore are separate genres that exist on their own. Hell, actual breakcore is still made to this day and I see a lot of artists trying to reinvent the formula while still staying true to its roots (crazy and fast amen breaks and all of that). However I do have to agree that people shouldn't get that mad about genre labeling. Its music and I love both genres so I'll enjoy it either way. Good video!
trap and rap were separate genres as well, when I said "genres have to change and evolve" I wasn't saying that I think they have to, I was saying more that they are doing that all the time. I'm glad you don't get worked up over genre names and that you enjoyed the video :) thanks for the comment!
At the end of the day good music is good music right? Who cares that much what we call it!
But also yeah there are some problems with this. For example like with Phonk, Like when "Drift Phonk" got hella popular leaving alot of other sub generas like "Jungle phonk", "phonk wave" and "Hyper phonk" behind. Wich is sad because all of these are really cool types of music to, and it's sad to see them be left in the dust.
getting mad over it is pointless, its just frustrating if you're an oldhead and you have to sit there and explain to sewerslvt fans what you mean when you say "breakcore".. the purpose of labels are rendered null when its widely misused.. maybe it'll turn out like screamo, a term so terribly misused a shitty joke label is now the standard to refer to old school screamo music
@@twistedmetal15 I wasn't mad bruh
What are some actual breakcore artists then? I saw goreshit and Clonepa in the comments?
Breakcore will always be identified by its aggressive breakbeats above and beyond jungle music. You can combine it with nearly any genre, but it's still clear whether or not breakcore is involved or not. It can be clearly shown what is and isn't breakcore, facts are what can be shown to be true.
This exactly.
tbh im kinda new to breakcore (didnt find it through tiktok but though a yt video of a japanese guy advertising a keyboard, but what would you reccomend for old good breakcore and what would you definetly not reccomend? rn i listen to stuff like nero's day at disneyland
@@liquidhippo8955 for really classic genre defining breakcore listen to venetian snares is what I'd say (his most popular album is definitely rossz csilag alatt szulet which is a mix of breakcore and hungarian classical music, for a more classic breakcore sound I'd say listen to doll doll doll though)
another artist that I'd recommend is igorrr (his early albums mix breakcore with baroque music and black metal which is really interesting, his newer stuff is more avant garde metal with a bit of breakcore but is still great),
ruby my dear (his album brame is amazing and is similar to igorrr)
hrvatski (very good breakcore that incorporates some very ambient and also field recording-ish sounds swarm and dither is a very good album)
Drumcorps (he makes cybergrind which is a mix of hardcore punk/grindcore and breakcore
xanopticon (a super fast and brutal breakcore artist that makes a subgenre of breakcore called flashcore and hes also associated with drill n bass which is kinda like a mix of breakcore and idm)
shitmat (he makes mashcore which is breakcore which is almost entirely made of samples from other songs his album full english breakfast is very good)
doormouse (generally makes breakcore with kinda more gabber influence)
Hopefully these artists will give you a good place to start off grtting into breakcore!
Sorry if the formatting is off on this comment im writing it on my phone
@@liquidhippo8955 i hate to be :nerd: but that video did not have breakcore. the song literally has jungle in the name. i disagree, that song was not breakcore. also lauren is good shit. obviously you probably heard of goreshit and venetian snares, both are amazing. have you heard of boys hotel? i havent listened to them much at all but theres one song, 'the springs.' feels more like half jungle half breakcore. might be stretching the definition of breakcore, but also listen to 'cars 26' by eightiesheadachetape. also listen to some of coakira's songs. and also listen to 'angelic network' by c!erra my$t, not really breakcore exactly, but i think it has the same kind of feel. also c!erra makes generally good music. have fun !
@@Anonymous-uz3yy the one i watched was named creative breakcore keys :)
I think the problem people have is that people will take the genre and expand upon it and evolve it into something new, but still label it under the same umbrella term of breakcore, making it hard to find the specific subgenre you're looking for
It's all just edm. People love to name stuff but the best stuff is stuff that has no genre.
@@BioHazardCL4 best stuff is shit you find when you’re not looking for anyrhing
@@BioHazardCL4 yeah it's all a subgenre of that but dubstep is edm and so we need subgenres to help people find stuff cause edm playlist I. That case would be deadmau5, boys hotel, sewerslvt Skrillex, Marshmello, and some other random people idk.
Exactly. Thats the reason why people differentiate between thrash metal and death metal. Thats why eventhough death metal has a lot of sounds, they all have their own subgenres. Suffocation is brutal death metal, Intestine Baalism is melodic death metal, Merciless is death-thrash, Necrophagist is technical death metal. They all evolved from old school death metal, but they all have their own subgenre that domt ruin the previous original genre.
Heck, the reason why death metal was created is because it evolved from thrash metal. The sound is different enough to be identify as a new genre. Imagine calling both Metallica and Cannibal Corpse as thrash metal despite both of them sound different to each other.
0:15 as mislabeled as it is, I love that mix
yes
I just don't want breakcore to turn into something I dislike. I don't like repetitive breaks. When I tell people "I like breakcore" I want them to know what I mean.
SkRiLLeX iS KiLliNg DuBstEp - flashbacks xD
yep calling it breakcore is kinda strange, as it has a completely different vibe, sound and is most of the time not even close to the rhythmic craziness of original breakcore.
it has a lot more in common with drumfunk. and after discovering this new genre aswell as sewerslvt, i just started calling it sewerfunk, cuz why not haha
im just tired of seeing people argue about breakcore vs this "new breakcore". also why is nobody talking about glitchbreak, hardcore breaks, lolicore, ... by that tiktok logic they should be called breakcore aswell
Not to mention drill n bass.
I always just called jvne abrasive jungle D&B lolicore tbh
I mean he literally killed dubstep
@@atetraxx he’s not the only one person but yeah
And yet Burial is still chugging along, making albums. No one cares but he's still exploring new terrain. Like the dubstep hip washed over him and he barely noticed.
I started listening to breakcore nearly two years ago, I used to think that ambient dnb was breakcore💀 I’m glad that i’m a bit more informed now
i recently started listening to sewerslvt and at first i would label it as ambient jungle or something of that sort... but apparently it's not. what is it then? genuinely trying to understand
@@lauramellena413 I'd say what she does is ambient dnb/jungle for the most part although it does often incorporate elements of other genres. I don't really think she does any breakcore though.
@@lauramellena413 She does all kinds of stuff, breakcore, dnb, there's no point in trying to name some kind of one genre she was most loyal to or whatever you seek from it.
Damn I got a headache when I first got into EDM and jumped into subgenre rabbit hole. So many subtle differences between them all
EDM is EDM, not jungle, not D&B, not techno, not Garage...they aren't subgenres of EDM
isnt breakcore supposed to be complex and rapid breakbeats??? idk anymore 😭😭😭😭
Tiktok kills everything it touches
This tbh
makes it more popular than ever then dies more than ever.
If Tiktok is ruining something for you, you're giving too much power to TikTok over your mind
real
It’s not the app it’s the people on the app. The community that surrounds a particular interest is always part of what brings enjoyment to that interest. Of the community is flooded with a bunch of newbies who all got there because it’s trendy then that community has ultimately changed
Gatekeeping is so funny lmao
@@jyorgbjornsen oh there it is! Another overused tik tok buzz word! Being unhappy that a wave of trend followers flood your niche interest isn’t gatekeeping. It’s just expressing discontent.
@@alexpatton9786”oh no the genre I listen to will become more popular!1!1!1!”
I adore breakcore, I have been a huge fan for years, but I hate how repetitive and stale it has gotten because of how watered down and burnt out trendy social media like TikTok made it
the problem i have with chalking this stuff up to “genres change over time” is that this isn’t what’s happening. what’s being presented as breakcore isn’t an evolution of the genre, it’s taking other existing genres and labeling them as breakcore. i love the sort of ambient dnb/jungle that’s in the spotlight but it’s a disservice to both it and breakcore to call it breakcore.
fans of breakcore will have a harder time finding new music in a genre they love, and fans of what’s being labeled as breakcore will have a harder time finding the treasure trove of music that actually inspired what they like.
that said, the fact that all the genres that grew out of jungle and later became categorized as “drum and bass” have completely unrelated sounding names like “liquid funk” “techstep” “artcore” and “drumfunk” doesn’t make it any easier to understand if you’re getting into it now
also, this isn’t a totally new thing. i remember watching a video on how to make breakcore almost 10 years ago now that basically got all the exact same things wrong. the person who made it was confidently explaining how to make an ambient jungle track while constantly calling it breakcore. that obviously wasn’t as popular as the current trend but this has been happening for as long as i’ve been in the scene
GEM OF A TAKE
it's an electric style so in the end, it's probably just techno
3:42 I was not expecting a Maxor clip here
Finally someone who gets it. I hate tiktok man.
Drift Phonks rise in popularity is the ONLY good thing that came out of tiktok imo
Fuck tiktok. It's where media and brain cells go to die.
@@PlantTube. this is music for rednecks wtf old phonk is superior but this cringe 🗑️
@@modzliszka Rednecks? I would think thats like country or rock.
Why people use the "cringe" word, its annoying
@@PlantTube. lol have you seen this video essay: ua-cam.com/video/UAV7hnCB_ZE/v-deo.html
Tbh most “zoomer breakcore” is just jungle music with a much darker theme, which is fine bcuz i love jungle
Bro I'm getting into breakcore don't let TikTok do this bro
I think the main difference between DnB and Breakcore is how the breaks are structured. In DnB the break just repeats itself over and over again, while in breakcore there are "patterns" that repeat themselves but not the entire break repeats. Idk if this made sense at all lol
I like it, feels more musical.
Yeah breakcore seems like the breaks inform the structure of the song a lot more
DnB is actually danceable and not a pain to mix
Breakcore is DnB with borderline personality disorder
But drumfunk been doing varied patterns since 1995/1996. The creators of that style are Source Direct, Photek, and Paradox. Later Drumfunk artists into the early 2000s were guys like Breakage and Equinox.
So drumfunk is the real basis for Breakcore, not DnB or Jungle. Although it has Jungle vibe due to the way the samples are used.
Breakcore is mostly a bastardization of Drumfunk & Jungle
People with bad taste bastardize and kill music. It’s just that Tiktok happens to be full of kids who don’t care about music at all.
everything “breakcore” is just atmospheric jungle now.
drum and bass went through something similar. dnb went from spacey atmospheric jungle in the late 90’s, to sounds of serum throwing up with an empty stomach, layered over boring, analog, fake breakbeats.
both genres have become more popular, but that caused it to drift away from its true definition. i don’t think this change should be happening, because if it’s gonna change, might as well create a different subgenre branching off of it, or call it the genre it really is.
I mean I do like "Serum throwing up.." a lot of the times in case you mean the contemporary Neuro sound by that. I probably like early 2010s Neurofunk the most tho since that is what I came up on.
Either way, at least in legacy DnB there is more of an understanding abt the definitions. I don't mind new styles or rediscoveries, it's just that the mixing up of terms annoys me (more than it probably should).
What is ofc even more peculiar (albeit expected these days) is how culturally isolated this current "breakcore" wave is from legacy DnB/Jungle. I doubt most of these kids have ever heard of Goldie or LTJ Bukem, yet think Sewerslvt invented the wheel.
Here's the thing: People are specific about genres for a reason. It helps you find more of what you want. It's like how if you were alphabetizing your library of something, Sewerslvt would go under "S", not "A".
I remember back in the 2000s when Pendulum was getting popular people hated what it did to DNB that was usually closer to jungle, opting to call it things like "Brostep". But, like with Sewerslvt today, I loved Pendulum's music. I don't need something to be particularly deep or to appease music snobs to enjoy it. That being said, because it was so difficult to find a "pendulum vibe", and "brostep" was something incredibly non-specific, it took a while to learn the genre's name was _actually_ "Rock Drum and Bass". But even that doesn't really nail down Pendulum's specific vibe, as people have different takes on what "Rock Drum and Bass" means.
Basically what I'm saying is I don't hold it against breakcore fans for wanting to set a record straight (no pun intended), but like, there needs to be a classification so that we can find more music like Sewerslvt's just like I needed to find more music like Pendulum's back in the day. I've heard people try to call the genre "Glitchbreak" as of late, but because it's in such an infant stage, it's hard to find people who actually recognize Glitchbreak as a genre and what it's supposed to actually be.
Don't know, if someone already said this, but I think we need to separate the gatekeeping of the oldschool sound of a genre from the actual meaning of the words used to identify a sub-genre. Breakcore got its name cause it was meant to differentiate by the other genres based on breaks. Being fast, scattered and aggressive it's the whole point of the word core, at least in this context. So it doesn't really make a lot of sense to talk about breakcore when you're trying to identify some lo-fi ambient dnb and brekbeat, wich was exactly what originally breakcore was intented to differentiate from.
With that said I do understand that words change their meaning through time, as more and more people who are not familiar to their original meaning use them in the wrong way until it become the new right way.
whenever something comes on tiktok it gets ruined, breakcore is the one thing i rlly like that i PRAY doesn't get ruined
I think a good way to illustrate this is "breakcore as a genre" vs "breakcore as an aesthetic". The "athmospheric DnB revival of the 2020s" crowd seems to use the -core suffix less in the original sense (derived from "hardcore") and more to denote the specific athmosphere Sewerslvt and other similar artists provided (in the same way as "cottagecore" or "weirdcore"). I think this is why things that defined breakcore in the past don't apply to the Tiktok community.
SKACOREEEEEEEEE!!!!! THE FLAMING TSUNAMIS!!!!! RAGHHHHH!!!
That's a valid take. I try to roll with it, but admittedly as an old breakcore producer, it's not intuitive to me. Drift is a thing!
Also yeah genres do change, but the situation here is that people mislabel other genres as breakcore, it doesn't change at all what breakcore is, you can argue that the subsiquent popularity of people using the name interchangeably with jungle and dnb, might eventually make jungle and dnb also count as breakcore, but then that leaves the question of how the original breakcore sequencing style will fit into the new breakcore term, since that was it's given name, and it'll still be very different from the other two styles at the end of the day, there's just gonna be a new term for that og breakcore style if everything somehow becomes breakcore anyways, though honestly I don't think the people that dont know any better will care abt that since in reality, it seems like all they want is to claim the breakcore name itself, bc they sure as hell ain't claiming the breakcore production style, and using different time signatures isn't a requirement, your avg listener won't really pay attention to that sort of thing to begin with.
You can try joining breakcore discord servers, but the informative ones are the ones that aren't PC friendly, so maybe that's an issue with some people, tho maybe not for u either since u said you'll be moving on from breakcore
I agree with you, the video was just laying out what is happening, not what I think should happen :)
Modern Drum and Bass isn't even related to Breakcore lol, most modern DnB songs don't even use breakbeat samples, and even when they do, its not the main focus. Maybe only "Jungle" (aka oldschool DnB) will suffer this fate.
When I think of the term "breakcore" I think of it like the term "hardcore" but for breakbeat. Breakcore is an aggressive take on breakbeat music, in particular sampling varieties of Amen Breaks and chopping them up to make your own rhythms. If anything, the sampling part is probably what separates breakcore from drum and bass. Drum and bass drops can be made with any drum machine and bass synthesizer but in order to make breakcore you need a sample of some form of breakbeat.
Though to be fair, breakbeats are often used in drum and bass as well, just that breakcore does more with the breakbeats in terms of rhythm changes.
I feel like a similar, but quite different, situation occurred in the hardstyle/rawstyle scene when it comes to the evolution of the genres and people feeling the need to call it something different. For instance, hardstyle music that is melodic in nature but has darker atmospheres and more aggressive sound design for kicks (relative to "euphoric hardstyle") gets called "rawphoric", on the flip side, rawstyle music that puts the aggression to the max with less melodies and super heavy hitting kicks gets called "Xtra Raw". Problem is, as the hardstyle and rawstyle genres have been evolving the "rawphoric" and "xtra raw" categories seem to be becoming more and more unnecessary, and in my opinion have been unnecessary from their very introduction.
10 years ago, i was introduced to phonk music and it changed my life. like your typical phonkedet, i jumped in with soudiere, yung-vamp, dj smokey, etc. soundcloud back then (when there was no ads) would just keep playing random phonk songs and i got to listen to all kinds of brilliant phonk music by various artists like 6-6-6 and hymbeats.
5-6 years ago i was introduced to breakcore by a close friend of mine via Osu. Till this day my favourite song is Goreshit - Thinking Of You. Watching tiktok metamorphosise and kill these genres is really hard. The worst part of it is that the people who come into phonk thinking it is cowbells and breakcore thinking it is sewerslvt will never experience the wide-range of OG music that founded the genre itself.
but that is the cost of being underground. think of all the blues or soul music that has been sampled and turned into songs like Otis - Kanye/Jay Z, or Middle Child - J Cole, Jay Electronica - Exhibit C. you would consider these oldschool genres as underground in their time/era. Nowadays when it comes to music production, most people sample samples of samples, true original content is very hard to find. whether it's og breakcore or og phonk, we are entering and era where you just never know how something came to be and the concept of a 'genre' is becoming blurred.
you're better off just riding the wave nowadays rather than getting caught up in the fineprint.
TikTok will kill any social movement that's even remotely compelling
To be honest, TikTok is trying to ruin every single music genre and i just want that hellhole of an app to dissapear from the face of the earth..
we aren't trying to destroy music genres💀
Politicians want to ban it and I'm up for it not just because of music it also promotes pseudoscience and history
0:28 probably an example of the most shittiest jungle track ever. also subbed to you
song sound good, me enjoy, me no care genre changes ooga booga
Real as hell dude
Yeah it's lame that there are people who are ill-informed, but who cares if you like what's playing in your ears
me same
mom when the Lauren Bousfield playlist turned into breakcore songs to listen when sad
Damn bro got harassed into not making breakcore tutorials anymore lol
Lmao it’s tough out here man
4:11 *Hides my 1000+ song Liquid DnB playlist* All seriousness through good video. Genres are extremely difficult, especially within the Electronic music community. I always thought of genres solely as a way to find new tracks that are similar to ones I enjoyed, as oftentimes I like to explore new areas of music I am unfamiliar with, and quick google searches of genres isn't a bad place to start. Breakcore definitely fits into this narrative, with newer artists changing the overall feel of the genre and social media using the word in (probably) a greater sense than it should be used. BUT its important to remember that humans love to categorize things, so if you don't agree with the genre names created by others, just make new playlists with names you assign yourself. No need to hate on other people's categorizations.
i love liquid dnb, the name just sounds like poop lol. You have a really healthy take on genres I really appreciate it with all the toxicity around these topics :)
Good educatioal video for someone trying thier hands on making breakcore. I like that you found a video of the guy who more or less invented breakcore talking about what the genera is. It's clear that it's quite a broad genera AND that the creator of it intended it to not be this really specific thing with a hundread criterias every piece created has to check of to be concidered breakcore. Im exited to keep experimenting with Amen Breaks cut into hundreads of tiny pieces and fast piano melodies!
Thank you for taking the time to make this nice comment :)
Thank you for making this
As someone who started going to raves in 99' calling anything with chops breakcore, is like calling any hip hop beat breakcore, or anything with a chop for that matter. Drum and bass has always had these style of chops, it's just new words to describe things that the younger generation don't know about yet. I feel like if you go deep enuf down the breakcore rabbit hole, it can only lead to drum and bass which leads back to the sample from amen brother.
1:36 What song is this on the background?
Sigmatus - fried pear ☺️
@@loller450 its not, but cool song
finally discovered it "self harming with a cheese grater"
@@VekDaFak it still isnt the actual song😢😢
tiktok and music is an unholy mix
tiktok is killing all types of music
a big fan of breakcore but 2022 breakcore is just amen breaks
really good video. well edited, well researched and it doesnt feel like one glaring opinion is being biased. I really do hope, even if breakcore evolves to be more watered down and mainstream, that people still discuss the beauty of older songs in the genre.
This generation of kids are like:
-Everything they know is from tiktok
-Don't give a single sh** about meaning/definitions about almost everything
-Create his own meaning/definition of thing they like
and the worst thing is that they actually can change how people perceive it, making belive in something completely different of his original conception
idc no more i just hope things don't end getting boring
I mean, genres purely by name are subject to change. After all, they're just what the general public calls whatever style of music.
I do agree though to some extent, so much of the current "breakcore"-scape is just a dumbed down version of jungle, but is certainly isn't all bad, and making a blanket statement about it as a while would just be ignorant.
I just hope that old artists stay true to their roots and don't fold to the pressure of the masses asking for modernized "breakcore"
This has always happened. Definitions and words get watered down and lose their meaning
These kids think post-punk was conceived in Russia in 2019
@@killyridols72826 what? Why, how?
I fucking hate "this generation" cuz the motherfucking meaning of music in general was lost. No one sees music as art. No one sees it as a way of expressing yourself or your beliefs. For mainstream artists Music is the place they get money from and for people is a tool to make themselves special with the "if you dont like this ur virgin" shit.
Most depressing shit is that i am from this generation, i listen to metal, rap, grunge, pop, and a bunch of other shitton of genres and i cant share my taste in music with no one cuz no one sees music as what it is. Last time i tried introducing someone to what i listen all he said was that i listened to bands that where from the 80's and i showed him fucking CHEVELLE and Kanye West. What a shitty time to live.
Liquid DnB was a thing back in the early 2010s. Early Subfocus, early Netsky, B-Complex and some Camo & Krooked tracks, as well as basically most of Hospital Records artists(like High Contrast) used to or still do Liquid DnB. So it definitely is a subgenre of DnB. Just because you never heard of it, does not mean it's not there.
Yeah, Liquidfunk was by far the biggest DnB subgenre for a hot minute. Goes to show how conceptions of DnB seem to exist in parallel isolation between mostly US social media vs. the European irl scene.
ive been a part of this shit for years now, you did such an excellent explanation, and kind of the saving grace for this god forsaken genre lmfao
Kinda started to research this a little more. It seems that some songs labeled as "breakcore" feels more like either Liquid, Jungle, or Neurofunk. For me, I like to keep stuff in genres that they fit in best with, and some that are in breakcore don't really fit in. Which I'm not like super pissed about this at all. I listen to a lot of DnB and just started researching more about Breakcore (which is a very interesting genre nonetheless.) I just feel that we should be a little better at deciding whats Breakcore and what would fit in these other categories.
Honestly with a little bit of experience into what the genre was before its recent fame, I expected this to happen when people first got into the genre because its so damn diverse and avant garde of a genre
Jungle is parent genre to Dnb while Neurofunk and Liquid being Dnb subgenres. breakcore is mix of breaks,dnb and hardcore, it actually should be more similar to breaks, remember it is core which means heavily distorted bass, but because its in middle of 3 genres you can sort of mix what you take from each one, apart from it being breaks and heavily distorted bass, that should be must
4:30 -- I think the best way to prevent the redefinition of breakcore is to do what you're doing: educate people. I have recently been trying to get into listening to breakcore since I accidentally came across it on a UA-cam playlist a few months ago, and as someone who likes to know the full history of the things I like, videos like this help point me in the right direction so that I begin to understand the nuances of the genre, as well as the significance of the changes it undergoes. I think by showing people what breakcore originates from can help point them into the right direction of understanding what they're listening to, as well as the essential artists they should check out. And even if they still like they still like the "wrong" genre (wrong as "wrongly-labeled," not "bad"), they at least know the difference and can be conscious music listeners. Good video, by the way! Very informative!
Tik tok killing every music genre we can only hope they don't get to the ones we likr
remember when breakcore was just a sibling genre of glitchcore
first phonk and now breakcore. god damnit
How to make breakcore according to Tiktok:
1-Make a jungle song with dark ambient
2-Add an anime girl as thumbnail (Add an art made in 2000s like angel beats or lucky star for extra likes)
3-Make the title something like "Breakcore mix to die" "Breakcore mix to fade away from society" "Breakcore mix to jerk off" "Breakcore beats to blah blah"
4-Done.
That's not grindcore that's blackened slamming brutal poopgorepornogrind with jazz influences
Imagine coming to Michael Jackson and just yelling at his face "YOU'RE NOT THE CREATOR OF MOONWLAK!!!"
Very based take, same thing happened with brostep over taking dubstep too.
Thank you
because of tiktok i dont know the difference between dnb,jungle,breakcore or shit like that anymore. theres just so many comments fighting abt what the genre is and it confused me so much💀
Akira - Attitude Legit this song is breakcore, everyone is forgetting what the word core is, what core actually means is heavily distorted bass, yes breakcore is somewhere between breaks and hardcore but if bass is not distorted it is just breaks.
DnB evolved from Jungle, the beat pattern is the same, but you can tell them apart usually by the samples used, kickdrums are totally different style, in that it is somewhat similar to nowadays liquid dnb, but will use different type of lead synths
seems like a jungle...
Tik tok just doesn't know what amen break is
The core founders of breakcore said that breakcore isnt a genre but nore an abstract thing. If would like see Notes of Breakcore is a very good documentary and they say that breakcore will never be a true genre
OK when someone asks me about breakcore I explain to them that its basically an avant-garde music genre without any rules and which can contain any other music genre. Of course sampling is a huge part, as well as the Amen breaks and gabba kicks. But it can just as easily feature anime, black metal, jazz, classical music, opera, etc.
I have been listening to breakcore for a long time i'd say, about 18 years. When I first listened to Sewerslvt a few years ago for the first time, it felt really fresh and I actually felt euphoric/had chills/ was in awe (whatever you like to call it). Like one of those defining moments you're really digging something. Nowadays, there are a lot of similar artists, which is fine imo. But there's still PLENTY of other breakcore subgenres.
Some of my favorite artists include: Otto Von Schirach, Drumcorpse, Igorrr, Bong-Ra, Spongebob Squarewave, Sloperij Jansen & Majoor Moeilijk, Santisima Virgin Maria, Reizoko CJ, Fat Frumos, Bob the Builder, Machinegirl, Rotator, Doormouse, Shitmat, and many many others.
Not to forget of course the Belgian artists: Droon, Sickboy Milkplus, Wan Bushi, Neocortex, X&Trick, and many more.
Listen to some of these breakcore artists and you'll find that it's a very wide genre. With subgenres like mashup breakcore, japan breakcore, crossbreed breakcore, jungle breakcore, ...
I have a youtube playlist that I often update with new music. It features a lot of breakcore but also a WIDE array of different underground genres (trap, dubstep, ghetto tech, terror, hardbass, jumpstyle, retro house, 90's, tracks friends send me, frenchcore, hardcore, bad indian pop, schläger, some meme tracks, vaporwave, ...)
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The breakcore you listen to is pretty much some of the best. Love that you included reizoko and spongebob squarewave there. Oh and drumcorpse too.
🙏 Thank you for sharing breakcore artists, now I can figure out what this genre is all about apart from what's popular
True ‼🤘
omg yes I've been waiting for this video ever since that one reply to my comment on here 💀
Lol
I’m gonna be real. It’s not a redefinition. People are trying to make it a redefinition but breakcore has always been a very specific thing that is now just being mislabeled by newcomers on tiktok
Isn't that the definition of a 'redefinition' for all intents and purposes?
Coming from Aphex Twin and Square Pusher, I always thought Venetian Snares was IDM.
it's funny how you can literally hear differences and evolutions in certain genres of music throughout the years, I don't keep track of music too well but one that you can notice it pretty well in is hardstyle, but of course these aren't bad things, they're just how things move and develop over time, within ten years hardstyle and lots of other genres will probably shift into something new or evolve in weird ways
Facts
Hardstyle, a pretty funny evolution of a genre this one is.
"listen to Venetian Snares" that guy who made a whole shitpost album "about his cats"?
I liked Dnb and Jungle but I couldn't figure out how it was different from Breakcore. Thanks for the vid
The only thing that is getting ruined are my eardrums from hearing that vine boom sound effect for 39 times in 90 seconds
Bro 1:08 got me laughing like im sick in the head
The vine booms stabbed at my heart. They broke my core.
Also: if your song isn't break the sounds up, breaking the patterns, breaking the mind, then it's not breakcore, it's wholecore.
How many vine booms do you want to use in this video?
Vergence: Yes
Genres are subject to change, the difference is “gay phonk” and “neo breakcore” are artificially made by TikTok users who steal sounds and styles from the original genres while genres like rap naturally evolved with time to go from “tribe called quest” to “Migos”. Even then, rap has its own respected sub genres like “boom bap” “Chicago drill” “nyc drill” “trap” “actual phonk” “west coast”…. These new tiktok music genres just steal the names of other genres they steal sounds from.
Just discovered your video; been listening to sewerslvt for years and just considered them new dnb; guess breakcore is a thing and it's viral lol
I never actually delved deeper into breakcore, although I did listen to some artists, it's kinda sad to see what's happening with it tbh, and as you've said in the end, all genres are subject to chance, and like Darwin's evolution theory, not all things that evolve, improve (snails being a example, with having their anus above their heads) but i hope that the genre can recover from it
For a channel idea. I for one, would like to see more people following dj’s to shows and doing more like old era MTV interviews of people backstage. Nothing with fancy production just seeing people in their element. That would be really sick
Damn liquid catching the most random stray ever
cant wait for your next breakcore video.
next week!
Breakcore is when DNB, but anime
Breakcore is like dnb but faster
I'm boutta spread your word
Thank you
This needed to be said
The into was hilarious but sad at the same time
go make speedcore, rawstyle, or trance. trance always needs a good revival
I know this might sound wierd but splattack(octo expansion) version got me into breakcore and I am sad to see it go this way but maybe it will come out better and more popular
I got a breakcore mix in my recommended last week and i like it! :)
going from squarepusher to sewerslvt is tuff
What's really killing breakcore is all the cringey weaboo stuff that started to invade the genre years ago
Have you been living under a rock for the past decade lol?
wdym lol anime has been part of breakcore since like the early 2000s
@@vmrrobotic7069 Yeah but not to the absurd extent that it is now though
@@Ell.06 fair
you mean lolicore? its been alive since like 2009
how to avoid this. Just make music and ignore what everyone says. Deadmau5 got shit for deleting good songs and said "fuck you i do this for me"
Nah bro the car door opening to reveal the drft phonk granny absolutely sent me 💀
All I listen to is Machinegirl, Sewerslvt, 808 State, Louis Cole and Thundercat. A strange combo but they all come together somehow.
first video i've watched from you.
DO you have any video where you talk about techno? and How it is heavily changing at the moment with all the crazy bootlegs and old technoheads freaking out that "THIS IS NOT TECHNOOOOOOOOO" Same concept here, but i love both
FWIW, Liquid DnB is called that because it has smooth flowing melodies. During the time of hardcore rave music and jungle DnB, Liquid DnB was a relaxing alternative.
thank you god! nice video.
You forgot to mention my valid playlist in your video