I love mine exactly as it is. I feel like you lose a bit of the Chime with the larger speaker. I gig with mine on 4.5 and it's Loud & Fender-Clean. Either way - it's an incredible Sounding Amp
Nice job! Personally prefer the 12. It just sounds a bit more musical or maybe just smoother to MY ear for a broad range of musical styles. On the other hand, the 10 does have that “bit-o-grit” that cuts through a mix pretty well. I didn’t hear a bad tone between either of them!
I have both. Trust me if you have a guitar with a bridge pickup both will get plenty bright in a hurry and cut thru a mix with either speaker size. The 12” hits harder pushes more air. There’s just something about being in the room with the 12 vs the 10. It’s cojones. If you’re playing unaccompanied in your living room it’s the 12” no contest.
From Leo: My opinion is that a bedroom player or someone sitting PA mic in front of a cabinet, the difference can be pretty small. Listen at the far end of a 1000 + square foot room, and the 12" wins every time. Two 12" Speakers are better yet. Not just volume, but smoothness of sound. That is why I have dragged a 90 lb Twin Reverb around since the 70's.
I have a 64 Custom Princeton with that same alnico speaker in a 10" version and the 65 reissue with the same 10" ceramic speaker and your video pretty much captures the difference in the two amps -- it's 99 percent speaker. I think I actually prefer the chime of the ceramic c10R over the alnico P series. The stock 65 reissue is such a sweet amp. The reverb and tremolo both sound better in the 64 Custom though.
Good demo. Both speakers sound great. I’m on the fence.; isn’t a 10” speaker a Princeton Reverb’s identity? I need to grab a baffle to accommodate a 12” speaker in my PRRI, to put this to rest.
I just got a 78 silverface PR, my first fender amp with a 10”. I was curious as to what a 12” would sound like in these amps, I think the 10” sounds great and better to me.
Hi , thanks for doing this. I recently purchased a second Princeton Reverb ( Sweetwater Model) which came wirh an Eminence Canibis 12. I actually got it because it has an awesome tweed covering. Anyway, I replaced the Eminence witha Jensen C12Q. Easier for the amp to push, plus the Jensen weighs 2 pounds less. Anyway, I have a trio and we do vintage Cream, Stones & etc. I was thinking the 12 would add a bit more mid to our sound, and maybe it does, but on leads where I need to cut thru, it just doesn't have the crisp sustain that the Jensen C10Q has. I've gigged about 30 hours on it & the speaker should be broken in, but if I play those 2 amps side by side up against the band its obvious that I need more volume w/ the 12" to get the sound I want. I had that happen with 2 other amps in the past too. I used a Blues Jr. ( 12") against a Fender Pro Junior ( 10") and the pro could cut through anything, where the junior kind of got lost a bit. I'm going to baffle the tweed Princeton and go back to the 10.
Thanks for sharing, I was wandering about this. I have the 10” 68 and love it, was considering getting the sweet water edition 12” but was concerned about going with the larger speaker.
I like the 10" ! For years and years only played 4x12 and 2x12... then i got a super champ xd2 with a 10", after that a deluxe reverb.... I kinda miss the 10" for that vintage bluesy sound! The 12" always sounds too big :D
I have the PRRI with a 10in and it's great until you dial in 5 or more. At anything below that it sounds great especially with single coils and P90's. One can always try an external 12in to test if you like it or not. you can run both with the right impedances. I just read that to get more clean headroom on the Princeton one can try the DR OT. The other thing is a more efficient speaker. Both of those might result in a louder cleaner Princeton. I say might because I have not tried it yet, although I do plan on trying the bigger OT as it's a cheap mod. For me I didn't hear enough of a difference to decide which size was better. I was listening through cheap speakers so who knows if some important subtleties were lost.
Both sounded great...just different. Was thinking about picking up a Princeton, and was leaning 12”. Ten recorded really nice? Would have loved to have heard the ceramic 12” for an apples to apples comparison, but it was a useful post. Thanks
I have a Pro Reverb with two 12" speakers. Guess what? It sounds fatter that a Princeton or Deluxe Reverb. Regarding the Princeton Reverb, the 12" is going to sound fuller in the room, but the 10" is going to record better and give you more of that essential Princeton Reverb sparkle. A Deluxe Reverb is a better choice for a 12" IMO. If you want to fatten up the tone of a Princeton Reverb, a Klon type of pedal with EQ will help a lot. If headroom is the issue, get a Deluxe Reverb or just mic up your amp.
Soon as the volume is turned up on the amp the 12" begins to get colourful and wide sounding. I think the 10" may be better for recording and low volume at home or studio.
Having tried my Princeton with both P10R and C10R, the biggest difference you hear in the video is the alnico and ceramic magnets. Sounds a bit more "quacky" with the 12". Sorry for scientific terms! :)
J Q agreed. Better bottom, more tasty compression, not flubby, sweeter mids. I sold my 1966 super reverb cause the 10’s were too plunky. Princeton with 12” is next
Took out the original stock speaker (Farty/flabby) and replaced it with a Warehouse 12" G12C/S - 75 WATTS. Best decision I could have made (in my subjective opinion).
If you really wanna understand the difference- play on a 12” princeton for a year, and then suddenly one day play a 10” princeton. It sounds so thin and weak that I can’t even play on it without being distracted by the paper thin sound. Guys with a stock 10” are gonna poopoo the 12” upgrade as being nothing. To them I say “play a 12” princeton for a long while and then suddenly switch to a 10”. You’ll immediately get the difference”
Don't know much about different Jensens, but I wonder how much of the difference heard here is due to the fact that the 10 is a C and the 12 is a P, rather than diameter size?
I like the charm of a 10 , sweeter and records way better. But in person, I like 12s because it sounds bigger and more 3D. Just another reason to have a collection of all speaker variations in different external cabinets 8)
Depends on your play style. If you like to play “Sugaree” or if you love to smack chords sometimes with a THWACK like Bob Weir- the 12” will make your wife physically blink and cringe every time you smack the percussive strum in much more dedicated way.
The loudspeaker is one thing, but the pickups and the electric circuit in the guitar play a big role. one fender will sound tsk and the other fender will sound differently on the same speaker. it's hard work to find your own brxmienie. must.y look for them everywhere.
Damnit now you got me trying to find an 11" guitar speaker!
They both sound pretty great and the 10" does have a special something about it too. Thanks for the interesting comparison.
Thanks for the side-by-side this is what I was looking for.
I love mine exactly as it is. I feel like you lose a bit of the Chime with the larger speaker. I gig with mine on 4.5 and it's Loud & Fender-Clean. Either way - it's an incredible Sounding Amp
Nice job! Personally prefer the 12. It just sounds a bit more musical or maybe just smoother to MY ear for a broad range of musical styles. On the other hand, the 10 does have that “bit-o-grit” that cuts through a mix pretty well. I didn’t hear a bad tone between either of them!
I have both. Trust me if you have a guitar with a bridge pickup both will get plenty bright in a hurry and cut thru a mix with either speaker size.
The 12” hits harder pushes more air. There’s just something about being in the room with the 12 vs the 10. It’s cojones. If you’re playing unaccompanied in your living room it’s the 12” no contest.
I put a 12" speaker in my 1979 PR in the 80's because I kept blowing the 10" ones. This year I put a Weber in it. Sounds great.
From Leo: My opinion is that a bedroom player or someone sitting PA mic in front of a cabinet, the difference can be pretty small. Listen at the far end of a 1000 + square foot room, and the 12" wins every time. Two 12" Speakers are better yet. Not just volume, but smoothness of sound. That is why I have dragged a 90 lb Twin Reverb around since the 70's.
I have a 64 Custom Princeton with that same alnico speaker in a 10" version and the 65 reissue with the same 10" ceramic speaker and your video pretty much captures the difference in the two amps -- it's 99 percent speaker. I think I actually prefer the chime of the ceramic c10R over the alnico P series. The stock 65 reissue is such a sweet amp. The reverb and tremolo both sound better in the 64 Custom though.
10” is still well worth it
Thank you so much. Just got a 64 Princeton- was pondering. I’ll stick with stock. 🎉🎉
I like the sound of 10" guitar speakers. more presence, less muddy. especially a 2 10" open back cabinet
Good demo. Both speakers sound great. I’m on the fence.; isn’t a 10” speaker a Princeton Reverb’s identity? I need to grab a baffle to accommodate a 12” speaker in my PRRI, to put this to rest.
I just got a 78 silverface PR, my first fender amp with a 10”. I was curious as to what a 12” would sound like in these amps, I think the 10” sounds great and better to me.
The cab means a lot to how a speaker sounds, it can be night and day just to swap the back panel for a larger / smaller one.
Hi , thanks for doing this. I recently purchased a second Princeton Reverb ( Sweetwater Model)
which came wirh an Eminence Canibis 12. I actually got it because it has an awesome tweed
covering. Anyway, I replaced the Eminence witha Jensen C12Q. Easier for the amp to push,
plus the Jensen weighs 2 pounds less. Anyway, I have a trio and we do vintage Cream, Stones & etc. I was thinking the 12 would add a bit more mid to our sound, and maybe it does, but on leads where I need to cut thru, it just doesn't have the crisp sustain that the Jensen C10Q has.
I've gigged about 30 hours on it & the speaker should be broken in, but if I play those 2 amps side by side up against the band its obvious that I need more volume w/ the 12" to get the sound I want. I had that happen with 2 other amps in the past too. I used a Blues Jr. ( 12") against a Fender Pro Junior ( 10") and the pro could cut through anything, where the junior kind of got lost a bit.
I'm going to baffle the tweed Princeton and go back to the 10.
Thanks for sharing, I was wandering about this. I have the 10” 68 and love it, was considering getting the sweet water edition 12” but was concerned about going with the larger speaker.
Did you stay with the 10?
Yup. @@JaredSchumaier
I like the 10" ! For years and years only played 4x12 and 2x12... then i got a super champ xd2 with a 10", after that a deluxe reverb.... I kinda miss the 10" for that vintage bluesy sound! The 12" always sounds too big :D
In a champion 40 I just put in an eminence copperhead 12 inch to replace the stock 15, sounds really good.
I have the PRRI with a 10in and it's great until you dial in 5 or more. At anything below that it sounds great especially with single coils and P90's. One can always try an external 12in to test if you like it or not. you can run both with the right impedances.
I just read that to get more clean headroom on the Princeton one can try the DR OT. The other thing is a more efficient speaker. Both of those might result in a louder cleaner Princeton. I say might because I have not tried it yet, although I do plan on trying the bigger OT as it's a cheap mod.
For me I didn't hear enough of a difference to decide which size was better. I was listening through cheap speakers so who knows if some important subtleties were lost.
The 12" alnico P12R sounds far more rounded, musical and smoother than the ceramic C10R to my ears.
Both sounded great...just different. Was thinking about picking up a Princeton, and was leaning 12”. Ten recorded really nice?
Would have loved to have heard the ceramic 12” for an apples to apples comparison, but it was a useful post. Thanks
I have a Pro Reverb with two 12" speakers. Guess what? It sounds fatter that a Princeton or Deluxe Reverb. Regarding the Princeton Reverb, the 12" is going to sound fuller in the room, but the 10" is going to record better and give you more of that essential Princeton Reverb sparkle. A Deluxe Reverb is a better choice for a 12" IMO. If you want to fatten up the tone of a Princeton Reverb, a Klon type of pedal with EQ will help a lot. If headroom is the issue, get a Deluxe Reverb or just mic up your amp.
Soon as the volume is turned up on the amp the 12" begins to get colourful and wide sounding. I think the 10" may be better for recording and low volume at home or studio.
Having tried my Princeton with both P10R and C10R, the biggest difference you hear in the video is the alnico and ceramic magnets. Sounds a bit more "quacky" with the 12". Sorry for scientific terms! :)
12 always sound better than 10. Fuller
J Q agreed. Better bottom, more tasty compression, not flubby, sweeter mids. I sold my 1966 super reverb cause the 10’s were too plunky. Princeton with 12” is next
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Instead of changing the speaker I prefer to just use extension cab with 12 inch speaker, best of both worlds. Plus amp stays original.
Both in one cab would be cool.
12" sounds cleaner and warmer to my ears. The 10" sounds better for rock guitar tones, breaks up quicker.
Is there really such a thing as "to much reverb"?
With a Princeton.. I'm gonna say no 😂
@@wilsonguitars2724 by the way love the content keep it up! Glad I Found your channel!
@@Vice3200 thanks mitchell, much appreciated!
Took out the original stock speaker (Farty/flabby) and replaced it with a Warehouse 12" G12C/S - 75 WATTS. Best decision I could have made (in my subjective opinion).
IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT 12 INCH SPEAKER YOUR USING
I like the Jensen and I cannot figure out what song that is you are playing and it WILL drive me insane.
If you really wanna understand the difference- play on a 12” princeton for a year, and then suddenly one day play a 10” princeton. It sounds so thin and weak that I can’t even play on it without being distracted by the paper thin sound.
Guys with a stock 10” are gonna poopoo the 12” upgrade as being nothing.
To them I say “play a 12” princeton for a long while and then suddenly switch to a 10”. You’ll immediately get the difference”
Don't know much about different Jensens, but I wonder how much of the difference heard here is due to the fact that the 10 is a C and the 12 is a P, rather than diameter size?
Also the P12R sounds very different to the P10R.The P10R has more bass and is cleaner. Totally different qualities regardless of the size.
I want one of each if I'm being honest.
I prefer the 12", by a mile
Nice
12" for me!
The 12" sounds stiff, as if a new 12" were compared to a broken-in 10" which makes the comparison less relevant and useful to me.
I like the charm of a 10 , sweeter and records way better. But in person, I like 12s because it sounds bigger and more 3D.
Just another reason to have a collection of all speaker variations in different external cabinets 8)
I prever the original 10"
Depends on your play style.
If you like to play “Sugaree” or if you love to smack chords sometimes with a THWACK like Bob Weir- the 12” will make your wife physically blink and cringe every time you smack the percussive strum in much more dedicated way.
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In a band context please!!
And the winner is? What she said… “Anything more than 10 inches is going to leave a mark…”
In the room experience vs listening on video. "12 sounds fuller.
12in. Much better
play the same thing with each speaker otherwise you've wasted the effort.
The loudspeaker is one thing, but the pickups and the electric circuit in the guitar play a big role. one fender will sound tsk and the other fender will sound differently on the same speaker. it's hard work to find your own brxmienie. must.y look for them everywhere.