The CONFUSING HISTORY Of WONDER GIRL - Donna Troy
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2024
- Welcome to Casually Comics today we're talking about Wonder Girl Donna Troy a character created by accident. How is she tied to Wonder Woman and just why does she have so many origins? Tune in to find out!
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My favorite Wonder Girl origin is the one she was never given: Diana's Boston host and sort-of foster mother Julia Kapatelis was rescued from drowning as a child by an Amazon, raised by them and returned to the mainland with her memories suppressed. When this was revealed to Julia, she was told that this had happened to many girls over the years.
I can't help but think this was originally intended to be Donna's new origin, but it was vetoed at some point.
Just found your channel. Love it. Commenting to feed the algorithm. Looking forward to looking through more of your stuff tomorrow. Have you done any Dawn of X comics? It seems like you mostly stick with DC.
Messy origins... well, how about Howard the duck? The one in Marvel is not actually the original Howard the Duck, the original is back in a different comic series going by a different name with painted feathers. Because copyrights. Fun times.
What about Cassandra "Cassie" Sandsmark Wonder Girl??
No I won't, don't you tell me what to think, Marvel you don't know me. Oh crap guess I may have watched.
Donna: Was I a mistake?
DC: More like a happy surprise!
😂😂😂😂😂I see what you did there 😂😂😂😂🙌🙌
*we don't make mistakes,only happy little accidents*
Seduction of the innocent: Wonder Woman is a series about lesbianism and bdsm bondage.
Charles Moulton: *Its true but he shouldn’t just say it*
And the people question why she's my favorite.
RABNerd28 Meh, pretty good not enough lesbians and bondage if you ask me
5/10
Yes, i'm (unfortunately) already aware of the thing Mr. and Ms. Marston did in their free time when the doors were closed, and frankly I'd REAlly rather NOT think of or reflect on it further, nor be reminded or in formed(on details) of the other people sex life.
@@khylerbane4523 which Ms. Marston?
@@khylerbane4523 The Marstons were pretty awesome tho
They should redo the Teen Titan's "Who is Donna Troy?" story with the title "Who the actual f*ck is Donna Troy?"
I think the "Your Guess Is As Good As Mine" from the thumbnail would be a better name.
They had their chance to return to basics when they came out with Rebirth. They simply could've reverted back to the "rescued orphan" thing and be done with it. After all, after Flashpoint, many pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths elements were restored...such as Barry Allen being the Flash again. But no, they had to go muddy the waters once again and re-introduce her as a magical being formed from clay.
@@richardledoux5868 Ugh, and don't even remind me of the whole titans rebirth future Troia plot that 1) cemented this and 2) served as a dumb excuse to break up a great team and fun comic run.
Oh boy! Donna Troy's origin is pretty confusing, but not as bad as Hawkman/Hawkgirl. HEY! Thats an idea!
yessssss
Power girl along with hawkgirl donna troy be like
me and the girls breaking the history
No Hawkman and Hawkgirls origins are easy if you know which origin you are after.
@@disposable_hero1725 It's near the level of Donna, really. At one point there were at leas two separate Hawkmen at the same time, both drawing from the different origins. They'd later explain the dickish Hawkman on Earth to be a fake, but it was a confusing mess for a time.
@@disposable_hero1725 Each of there individual orgins are simple but the way they put them all together is very confusing.
It amazes me how every member on the batman and superman family are be well written, but when it comes to the Wonder Woman family all of a sudden people forget how to write.
I definitely agree and I can't stand it.
Cause she's a girl .
I wouldn’t say well written... after all Jason Todd original origin was literally the same in every way to dick’s.
@@Pero-zl4jp True. It took 4 years for Jason Todd's new origin to be told.
Let's leave it at well written ✨️sometimes✨️
Donna is SUPER underrated she was the original founder of teen titans and wonder woman's sidekick and many people don't actually know her
Agree
She was a founding member of the titans
Hypothetically speaking the fisrt teen titand was Wally, Docl and Garth
That's only because there are barely any adaptions that feature her in big role.
I’m still just learning about her but I find her pretty cool. I wish she was in the 2003 Teen Titans show and I would have known about her since when I was a kid like the other OG Teen Titans. But for the love of god no shallow jealous girlfriend storyline with her, Starfire and Robin.
when I read the 60's version of the Teen Titans, I used to read the fan mail column in the back. In one issue the fan column editor was answering a kid's question about Donna's origin story, and the editor said Donna was her own person and like a little sister to Wonder Woman. In a later issue, after a new fan mail editor was hired, a kid wrote in asking for more details on how Donna Troy joined the wonder family, and the editor said that no, Donna was not her own person, just a teenage version of wonder woman, and vehement that that's the way it always was. There was not only such a lack of communication between different series in the old days, but lack of communication within the same team of creators
They created Elongated Man not knowing they already owned the rights to Plastic Man
The confusion over Donna Troy’s origin stems from the constant changes in Wonder Woman as new editors and writers took charge and kept trying to revamp her to boost sales and iron out continuity. The result was horribly messy and confusing continuity. This happened both pre- and post-Crisis.
Exactly right. Crisis on Infinite Earths messed up everything in DC's continuity and Donna Troy was possibly the biggest casualty. DC has been scrambling to try to put some logical continuity back in ever since with reboot after reboot. Ironically the purpose of Crisis was to get rid of all the multiple Earths that someone thought too confusing. Now, after almost forty years, they're throwing in the towel with a new company wide event called Infinite Frontiers. In this series the restored Multi-verse will be expanded even more to something called the Omniverse in which EVERYTHING that has ever happened in DC comics since Superman first appeared in 1937 DID happen.
@@richardledoux5868That’s why I’m excited for it, especially when the Silver Age has so many things going on
To add to the confusion, the television show Wonder Woman introduced Wonder Girl as Diana's little sister Drusilla.
Donna is one of my favorite DC characters I wish we could have seen more of her in the Teen Titans animated series and Young Justice because Conor Leslie is killing it on Titans!
Aleckzander Burroughs she plays an amazing role as her, hella beautiful
Aleckzander Burroughs she plays an amazing role as her, hella beautiful
I also liked her in the first version of DC superhero girls! (Also her design in that Teen Titans Judas Contract looked cool...)
Conor leslie gives me priyanka chopra and gal gadot vibes, THEY'RE SO BEAUTIFUL
We need a video on Pietro/Wanda's confusing parental history...because it's a lot.
I swear I'm not still mad about the Magneto retcon...I'm not.
That's a lie, I'm hella salty.
My salt could fill the dead sea.
I hated that retcon as I enjoyed the dysfunctional and complicated relationship Magneto had with his children. There's a way they could reverse it now that Disney owns Fox and the movie rights to the mutants.
I Agree.. Wanda & Pietro's Story Was Best When Mags Was Their Father! And Sometimes Back In The Early 90's, You'd Even Get To See Wanda And Lorna Open A Bag Of Beat A Bitch, As The Powerhouse Sister Team That They Were! Ahhh.. (big sigh).. The Good Ole Days😌😎😒
I mean, I know it's late...but I really like to think that Magneto is, indeed, Wanda's and Pietro's father...and the retcon it's just an unexplored ramification from House of M
because it isnt complicated ... the basic story is clear like wather
"Who green-lit this? Why is this happening?"
LOL! That is something I say to myself far too often in media.
No more comic code authority.
The ironic thing is, Marv and George were the writer and artist for Crisis, and George was behind the post-Crisis reboot of WW. So in some respects, everything after ”Who is Donna Troy?” is their fault.
Rtt!! George and Marv was the people who cared for Donna and laid the foundations for her to be one of the greats. N Wonder why they ain’t took her in consideration when they had ww pathos in their hand which included Donna connected as well.
I love Donna (really wish DC would stop messing with her then shelving her/disconnecting her from the Amazons). The saved baby by Diana or Rhea is fine to me. But she, Power Girl, and Hawkman have to be the most convoluted in DC
Her relationship with Terry Long should have never happened. The age gap isn't the problem but the fact he was a self insert of Marv Wolfman because he decided only he could have Donna and decided to I guess give himself a gift and he was so adamant about them being together. I say it was irresponsible, you don't put yourself with the heroes.
*#NotMyDick* 😁
I was looking for some who comment this
Honestly my favorite origin of hers is the mirror one, just use that and leave it alone. Basically having kid Wonder Woman run past a mirror and have the Amazon Sorceress Megala bring the reflection to life... boom, its another magical origin similar to Wondie's best origin (being a clay golem).
Honeslty, same. Those are their best origins. I hope the mirror origin for Donna and the clay origin for Diana are brought back in the next reboot(We all know that there is going to be another reboot eventually.)
Honestly, it would be awesome if Donna Troy/Wonder Girl would periodically say something like: "Oh yeah, that reminds of the time [the Titans saved me from yet another fire]..." or "...[I was a computer simulation]..." All the other superheroes stop and are like "WTF??", followed by a pause, and she just impishly winks.
pre-Crisis Donna Troy had the best origin and also, in my opinion, is the best version of the character purely on character interactions, personality, etc etc. I normally hate weddings in general and find romcoms boring and sappy, but her wedding issue was so sweet and wholesome.
I would love for DC Comics to put out a one-shot story of Donna Troy and Hawkman getting together over coffee to discuss how hard it is to have such convoluted origins.
Yay! Sasha, you're amazing. I loved this, and aww, thank you for the shout out! :-D I am SGG/CC ride or die!
And they are so not finished with mucking around with Donna because in the Titans tv show, Dick refers to Diana as Donna's mother. So apparently she saved her from the fire and raised her as her own, rather than taking her to Polly on the island. I can't wait to see where they got with that.
And Scott Snyder recently mentioned that they're building to another crisis style event in comics, lol I'm scared for Donna.
Gurll I am too😩🤦🏾♂️
Donna troy was one of my favorites in the red costume & the long legged black & star costume & then it started to get slightly confusing. Troia....
Donna Troy is my girl! I'm so glad you did a video on her. Just discovered your channel Sasha and I've been binging videos. You have such a great perspective.
I love your video dedicated to my favorite DC character...Donna Troy
I hope in the current Wonder Woman series, someone addresses Donna's origin? Since Rebirth, Donna has yet to make an appearance in the Wonder Woman series.
DC so missed the perfect opportunity to connect her as Diana's sister. In the current run(WW#73), a young Diana and Hippolyta travel to a different dimension and meet Empress Hippolyta. This blond hair version of Hippolyta ( my fav from the Silver Age) took her clay baby and threw it in the ocean. This left Diana confused and she questioned the Empress about drowning her "baby". What the writer should've done was, have Diana and her mother search for the clay figure. Once they discover the clay child, take it to Themyscira and ask the goddesses to bring it to life. Hippolyta could raised the child and give her the name Donna. A few years later, Donna sneaks off the island to follow her big sister Diana and becomes...
Wonder Girl. Perfect!
as far as I know, they're still sticking to her New52 orgin story
They probably won’t when they already have a Wonder Girl in Ms. Sandsmark.
"Wonder Woman is physically very powerful and tortures men..."
That sounds like my ideal woman to be honest.
_Wheeze_
And I thought Power Girl origins were complicated...
How... How am I just now discovering this channel?
Side note I subscribed the moment flashpoint facepalming happened. Pure gold!
Donna Troy is beautiful
Well, it is a name that means 'Lady'. At least according to my Mom who's also named Donna.
"Who is Donna Troy?" really is the issue. We don't have to ask "Who is Clark Kent?" because we know he's a humble farmer without a mean or selfish bone in his body. We don't have to ask "Who is Steve Rogers?" because we know he's a Brooklyn boy who hates bullies and wants to do what serves the common good. But ... who the hell is Donna Troy?
My take on Wonder Girl (and borrowing as much from original Marv Wolfman origin as possible): Donna Troy is a teen runaway whom Wonder Woman rescued from a burning building. She had injuries that could only be healed on Themyscira, and while there, Donna realized the Amazons live better than anything in her experience. At first she wanted to stay on Themyscira, until she realized that it would be selfish to not go home and try to teach a better way of life to those not lucky enough to hang out with the Amazons. It was then that Athena, not Aphrodite, chose her as her champion for her wisdom, and gave her the appropriate power set.
This would give Donna a background, an outlook, a mission, and a nature that sets her apart from Wonder Woman. For example, where Wonder Woman is warm and openly compassionate, Wonder Girl would be centered and good at emotional detachment.
They should just Just keep Donna as a human orphan turned Amazon. Stop tryna make her a clone or Interdimensional born again warrior
@@HELLO_KORO that origin is boring imo
@@Justforamoment0608 it's easier to comprehend
I'm mostly a Silver and Bronze Age guy and I'll be the first to admit how goofy they were with origins and changes....but the more recent era takes it to another level changing things over and over...You start to wonder if they just love doing origin stories because #1s sell better.
I like the rebirth Donna the most
Donna: "what the hell happened?" Zoom: "It was me Donna! I screwed up your origin story! For reasons!"
All they really had to do was tell Perez that he can continue to tell year one stories in Wonder Woman (in the late 80s), but the stories had to be set in year one of the current heroic age. Meaning that she had to debut within a year of Superman and Batman. Same with Hawkman.
So that Wonder Woman could be there to rescue the baby that came to be known as Donna. Except that she couldn't be a baby, since it couldn't be more than ten years ago. So she would have had to be six, then seven, then eight, then nine.
So, she would get retcond once a year?
So, she would get retcond once a year?
How many channels do you have Sasha? I really enjoy you as a narrator and you always do quality videos. So if you have more channels I need to see them all.
Superboy's origin is pretty messy, too. And I'm pretty sure there are at least three different Supergirls who look identical and I honestly couldn't tell them apart if I tried; but I've never even tried to understand their different origins....one of them is literally an angel..I think?
Nice video. :)
Connor is just a clone of Superman and lex
I have the poster you feature at 7:17 in my study. Way to go wonder girl!
Love your series Sasha, I look forward to future episodes.
"Should have stayed dead... omygosh" :D
...I mean...is she wrong though?
Barry Allen was THE Flash when I started reading comics. He should have stayed dead. I know it's mean, but he was an even better Flash as a martyr, THEN Wally took over and was an even better Flash than Barry. Seriously, after Crisis, when Wally started as the Flash, one of the best things plot-wise was how he kept "holding back" because of Barry's memory, and how he gets over it.
Well, here's a thought:
Donna Troy ... the new Hawkwoman.
Hahahaha lol😂😂🤣🤣
You make comics history fun. I also have to say all your shirts rock. Also more salt and I openly love discussions of shipping.
"Who is Donna Troy?" was a great story, demonstrating the closeness between Donna and Dick Grayson, as well as really showing Donna's angst about her identity. It's a shame that it just couldn't have been the end of it
Joker's is pretty messy, but it's ok because, as he's said, "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice." Which totally fits in with his character.
"Shippers Guide to the Galaxy" mentioned Donna Troy so i came here for a refresher-course and it's the same presenter! You are the internet!
Why they just don't combine the two most famous origins? She was created as an evil duplicate of Wonder Woman who was put in suspended animation, and then she was reactivated and they put fake memories on her of being a young girl rescued from a fire by Wonder Woman. This would make a very interesting relationship between both of them, as Diana is known as the spirit of truth (with her lasso and everything) and yet she's lying to her own reflection just because she loves Donna and doesn't want her to be evil.
Meanwhile, following Donna's personality in the Teen Titans comics where she's basically miss perfect, it would be pretty cool to see her reaction after knowing that everything she believed in was a lie, and she's in fact just a clone of an existing hero, paving her way of self acceptance and dedicating herself as being her own hero, embracing the life she was given and not letting her past take advantage of her
And I thought Hawkman was confusing.
whats confusing about him
@Will N oh ok thanks
I've had your channel recommended to me for years and I'm facepalming because these videos are amazing! I keep bouncing through older and newer ones
When I hear about Donna Troy's origins I've noticed that it's never mentioned that her name was a play on the actor Troy Donahue's name. Before the 1969 Marv Wolfman story, "Who Is Wonder Girl?" Wonder Girl never has a "real name" and was always called Wonder Girl or a nickname. I noticed the play on Donahue's name but I'm old enough I bought the original comic on the newstand.
Thank you for this video! Donna Troy is one of my favorite characters! I agree with Wolfman’s assessment. Her two early origins should stand. Her current origin and treatment by DC is horrendous. Same for Dick Grayson and Wally West.
You know what Donna needs.
A new origin story 😂
Real shit, the origin i know is she was rescued from a fire in an orphanage by Diana. But she had powers (super strength) so she was trained to her sidekick alongside Robin and Aqualid and Arrow kid.
In hindsight, i prolly got that from a fanfic i read one time.....eh!!
Thanks!
That my good woman, was A LOT to go through. Well done!
I LOVED the two issue arc where Clayface attacks Wonder Woman and absorbs a little of her clay and when she fights her way out, she's Donna.
I've always been a fan of the Mirror Clone origin, but the saved from fire one is also iconic. Honestly, I think it would be awesome to give one of those to Drusilla from the show and introduce her into the main comics continuity.
While your narratives are enjoyable and you obviously love comics, I'm glad my heyday was the silver age. For me a simpler and more enjoyable time, reading comics. Still, I think the medium is in good hands with fans such as you. Teen Titans, yeah Donna Troy was memorable, but so was Lilith.
No matter how much tinkering there is with Wonder Girl’s origin, one thing stays the same - no father.
My god but I enjoy your videos. Not only are they well researched and answer questions I didn't realize I had but you also have more character than can fit in one person. Keep up the great infotainment.
Sandra, a video about Wonder Woman is needed. Her recons are almost as bad as those of Wonder Girl(s). And I am always so confused as to her strength and fighting ability. So ..old school request.
Please do one about Fury, the daughter of wonder woman please💓💓 you're the only comic channel that explains comics origins etc. the best
Just now found this. Donna is one of my faves and wish DC movies were better so we might finally see that starscape unitard on the big screen!
Donna is underrated asf. If the DCEU went with Titans rebirth, and not teen titans like people are begging for, fans could be introduced to something new, and become more familiar with people like donna and Garth.
I don't know why DC can't just make her and Diana biological sisters and be done with it. I like the biological sister route because, in regards to the trinity, there's already a clone/duplicate (Superman) and rescuing/raising an orphan (Batman). Just have Donna be Diana's younger sister and Hippolyta's daughter and leave it at that.
You mentioned Bob Haney's role in how this mess started. At certain times, stories he wrote, particularly in the Brave and Bold, were so far outside what DC felt they could keep in, they had to resort to a never-seen, only-reffed variant on Earth-1 (Pre-COIE) called Earth-B, which was also used for oddballs like heroes teaming up with Jerry Lewis and Bob Hope (not kidding). There's articles out there, but no videos yet. I think that might be one for your approach to these matters.
My favorite Wonder Girl was Debra Winger. I was the right age and crushed so hard. I even went to school a couple of years later with a girl who looked a lot like her, and that was a growing experience too. (I mean, emotionally.😳) But in the comics, I was a fan from the New Teen Titans on. Donna is Wonder Girl to me.
And Aqualad is still twice as lame as his old man! #notmydick 🤣
Lmao, by day she is wonderwoman by night she is the bdsm queen
Grubkin Tiddlefits AYYYEEE
You ever get a stain on a carpet and try to clean it up, but the more you try the bigger the mess gets?
That's Donna's origins.
Speaking of retcons you would just pretend never happened, kinda pissed off about the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver retcon. They're identity as Magneto's children is integral to the characters story's. That'd be like if they retconned Superman to be human or something like that. If they did it in all alternate universe it wouldn't matter as much, but the 616 characters though it just feels like a perversion of who they are.
Not exactly the samething since they were originally not his kids. It would more so be like if they had bataman use guns again .
I blame the editor who approved Perez's idea of WW as coming around five years after the Teen Titans.
Or maybe forced the idea upon him?
I totally agree with you
Brava! It is a crime this has so few views and likes. I love Donna. I have read the Titans since I was a kid, pre The New Teen Titans. I have to admit, I ended up liking the Dark Angel/key to multiverse, mainly because you can "because, Comics" it and move forward AND it gave her some needed weight and importance in the multiverse. I *hated* the New 52 origin, but also, New 52. Best thing? Some sorely needed updates on costumes (no outer man-panties), which Bendis (screaming and hand shaking) just blew off.
Donna deserves a lot better and the Titans show bought my good will bringing her in, and my ire taking her out, and she damn well better get purple rayed- and remember when Rachel revived the deer back to life in season 3 or I'm out.
I love all of your takes, and videos, because you have taken the time to learn the lore. So you just rock on, with your magenta self!
If I were DC editorial in 1985, I would just not reboot Wonder Woman but have her adventures continue after Crisis On Infinite Earths, only this time let her reveal her identity to the world and let her still be married to Steve Trevor (as they were in Wonder Woman #329). That way, Donna Troy would not have her history be altered. And to be honest, I like Donna Troy’s Pre-Crisis origin (Silver Age backstory and Wolfman/Perez expansion) because it explains who she is, what her backstory is about, and expands her history further.
Keep it simple. Donna is Wonder Woman's sister. Period. Done. I don't work for DC, so I don't have to over think it.
"Wonder Tot" sounds like something on a Chili's menu. Why isn't there a Harley Tot (copyright 2022) ,lol, and why doesn't Harley Tot have like 3 books? At this point, couldn't hurt.
I still have that Who is Donna Troy comic. Also, I can't believe you're gonna make me look up Ric Grayson.
I don't understand why she's not just simply Diana's little sister. Being a clone is lame, being clay with false memories made to kill Diana is also lame. When you're retconning the entire universe, why NOT just write that in? Make her the little sister, which explains the powers and the need for Diana to mentor her and stick her in the titans. It's not like Hippolyta couldn't bang Zeus twice. Makes her more human that way too.
Wow....they definitely should have just stuck with the first origin. And what sucks is that any attempt to fix this would just make it more complicated and I’d suck
Donna takes the trope on the messiest origin for the girls while Hawkman is still dominating the male category.
Great video! I like to think I’m comic savvy, but I admittedly knew very little about Donna Troy. I really wanted to learn about her since she has an interesting dynamic with Dick Grayson & Jason Todd, but I didn’t know where to start. This really helped.
She is my favorite character of the entire DC universe. DONNA TROY.
Mine too
Gsttvo Dmgz Would you recommend me some favorite stories of hers?
@@gkgk6439 She's pretty great in the 2016 Titans comics run
Amanda K. Thanks I’ll check it out
Most characters are pretty simple. Donna's is the exception. Thanks for this video. I've known so many things about her over my 40 plus years of comics reading. You should watch the Titans on DC Universe. I believe the fire is still a big part of her origin.
One small detail, first appearing in 1964 in The Brave and the Bold #54, the team of Kid Flash (Wally West), Robin (Dick Grayson), and Aqualad (Garth) shared an adventure together. In Brave and the Bold #60 the addition of Wonder Girl (Donna Troy) was added to their ranks, and this was the first time they were called the Teen Titans.
She has some surprisingly dark storylines. Remember when Wonder Woman tried integrating male Amazons into the greater population of Themyscira, but Donna was like "no" and massacred them all.
My first exposure to Wonder Girl was in the 70's in t he original Teen Titans run in issue 38, then later when the New Teen Titans arrived in the early 80's. By then the origin of her being rescued by Wonder Woman and not having any memories of her family was the accepted origin in the comics and probably by most who had not been familiar with her origin in the Wonder Woman comics. I always thought that her struggle to uncover her origins made her a more sympathetic character, although it did seem a bit TOO close to the Struggle Lilith had with finding her own origins in the original Titans series from the 60's and 70's.
I actually walked away from comics for a number of years in late '86 so I missed out on most of the confusing bits and retcons that came later, although I did spend some time catching up on things more recently thanks to the DC streaming service having so many comics online and I can tell you that I didn't like all the changes, the retcons the overall weirdness. I have a really strong attachment to the characters as they were from the 70's and 80's when I was growing up and for me, those will always be the main versions of those characters, including Wonder Girl.
As far as characters that have confusing origins two of the ones that I can think of you have covered, Spider Woman and Power Girl, although Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have some pretty confusing plot points in their stories as well and might make for an interesting video since they have been through a few retcons over the years.
Hey Sasha
Congrats on your channel!
I actually liked the New 52 version of Donna Troy, but I didnt read Titans. I read Wonder Woman, in which she was made from clay to fight Wonder Woman by this Amazon cult. It sounds like Rebirth Combined this origin with her "original" origin.
Also, in the New 52, she becomes the Goddess of Fate. I liked the premise, but they didnt do much with it, like alot of plotlines from the New 52.
Have you seen "Professor Marston and the Wonder Women?" if not, you are REALLY missing out, now that's a comicbook tangent movie that really changes the way you see a comic even you're aware of the basic history.
Wonder Girl...Donna Troy was her best in the New Teen Titans prior to Crisis...before she became Troia, before she was a Darkstar, and her latest origins.
This was amazing keep up the good work
Love your videos!
Legion of Superheroes. They may be THE reason Crisis was doomed.
for some reason I thought that Donna was created by Hippolyta when Diana looked into a mirror and the reflection came to life as Donna. did that ever happen in the comics? or did my mind just make that up??
That was the John Byrne years. Yes, in the story arc Who is Donna Troy it's revealed that Donna was Wonder Woman's mirror image created to be Diana's playmate. From there all hell breaks loose and got us into Donna having had dozens of different lives. It reconnected her with Wonder Woman but boy did it mess things up.
I think it would've best if they made her Drusilla from the Wonder Woman TV show back in the seventies. I do like her post Crisis origin tying her to the Titans of Myth. I wish they kept that.
Donna Troy is a wonderfully fascinating, yet confusing character.
You are so good at explaining.
Love love love Donna, but sure do love the multiple choice origins. Could be worse though, she could have Hawkman’s origins.
I just discovered you guys. Awesome content. Could you please do a background of one of my favorite characters? Kyle Raynor. I feel like DC has forgotten all about him and put him on the back burner. No respect. Please touch on his origin, his being the torch bearer and his time as ion. I would LOVE this. Please!
Another great job Sasha! Donna Troy has always been my favorite DC character, and the constant origin changes are indeed a mess. No doubt you will need to update this soon given DC's decision to change Diana's origin yet again, making her the first superhero. LOL!!! Keep up the great work!
Sasha, can you do a video about Captain Carrot, please?
I can imagine Sasha doing the research on this video, with figures and equations floating around her head like in "A Beautiful Mind".
i wish i could just sit down and physically absorb all that knowledge from you!
I thought Jason Todd origins was rough but Donna's takes the cake. I was with ya till the magic duplicate and then you lost me. I think I need a flow chart.
My favorite Wonder Girl origin is the one she was never given: Diana's Boston host and sort-of foster mother Julia Kapatelis was rescued from drowning as a child by an Amazon, raised by them and returned to the mainland with her memories suppressed. When this was revealed to Julia, she was told that this had happened to many girls over the years.
I can't help but think this was originally intended to be Donna's new origin, but it was vetoed at some point.
Sorry to come to this (and your channel) so late, but I had to comment on this one as New Teen Titans was the first series I seriously read (as a teen myself at the time) so all of their stories resonated with me a lot.
With 'Who is Donna Troy?' we had a story that was simply but logically told and with not a single fight scene. Not one, something of a rarity in the pre-Crisis era.
It also highlighted Dick Grayson's training as an actual detective under Batman and made him an incredibly competent and capable individual in his own right.
I've had occasion to meet both George and Marv at a convention and it's very evident that DC screwed up horribly retconning this particular origin story.
But more egregious than that was *ever* letting John Byrne butcher both DIana and Donna in his run where we got the 'multiple Donnas' idiocy.
I'd strongly suggest you take a look at Byrne's run on the book because I personally believe it's borderline overt misyogny running rampant and noone holding Byrne to account.
Really really loved this overview though. Thanks!
"not my ****" lmao!!! great explanation for Dana also love the make up colors with that bow super cute!
Not exactly an origin but there's always the secret identity of the Hobgoblin.