@@vixxexo6855 That's not entirely true. Cube Entertainment denied HyunA and Dawn's relationship to the public, and it should have ended there, with the relationship denied, the public would have calmed down. However, HyunA went public contradicting Cube, which had already denied it, saying that YES, she and Dawn were in a relationship. She made Cube look like a joke to everyone in Korea, and koreans started making fun of the company. That’s why Cube kicked them out, not because they were dating, but because HyunA made the company look foolish. If HyunA had kept quiet, she and Dawn could have continued dating in secret, Dawn would still be in Pentagon, and Pentagon might have had a better future. Honestly, I would have preferred it that way because Hui has already been humiliated enough in his life… seriously, seeing him on Boys Planet competing with 15 year old boys, when Hui was already a 30 year old with years of career experience, was simply deplorable. I thought Yujin on Girls Planet was sad, but Hui broke my heart because at least she debuted.
@@harveyismcube was never not a joke, just like how they denied the lyrics in soyeons performance where she disses them and they claimed soyeon never told them about the lyrics and then she comes out saying she did reviewed the lyrics with cube. Cube is just a sh1t company. I hate hyuna too for what she did(marrying that man) but let's not act like dawn had no say in hyuna revealing their relationship to the public, they're both adults. At least mention dawn too instead of putting all the blame on just hyuna.
Hyuna's decision to make her relationship with Dawn public will always be selfish to me considering she mostly knew that they were a rookie group and the news would damage the group's reputation. In my eyes it will always be selfish of her to make that decision, which ultimately led to the group's downfall. Edit: my point of saying this is that, she could've waited to reveal their relationship once pentagon had a solid fan base or had been active for more time. But considering it's Hyuna, she probably didn't even think about this key factor before revealing her relationship
I said this many times but lets stop babying dawn. I hate hyuna for what she did to dawn(left him because she wasn't ready to marry just to marry another horrible man shortly after) but dawn is an adult. Since hyuna and dawn were lovers when she revealed their relationship, I doubt that they didn't discuss about being public before revealing it. Hold both of them accountable instead of painting hyuna like some witch who put dawn under a spell.
Tbh pentagon and dawn journey was sabotaged multiple times, be it dating, dawn leaving group or cube mismanagement. Though these guys are talented and a bit popular but they definitely could have had more if they would have chosen different alternative in life😢😢. But then again, they didn't knew and life is uncertain 😢😢
The worst one is Pentagon. The group was full of potential. Hui tried to make the group like the old days but couldn't, so he gave up, too. He even joined Boys Planet to make the group recognised by the people, but no, so he is like a soloist these days, and actually, it's better.
As a very old Pentagon stan I will forever blame hyunA for everything the boys are going through rn pentagon debuted w such a blast and now no one even knows them , bacj then as well i remember the Pentagon stans standing up against hyuna but now its literally over she not only destroyed pentagon but also dawn !!
Jun Hyung was the most responsible, he knew Abt the burning sun scandal & saw the videos, but brushed it off bc he thought that it was an important matter
@@feanoryen nah Hyuna was far more experienced than Dawn and knew the consequences it was HYUNA who announced the relationship publicly not DAWN get yo facts straight
Is there no law on defamation in Korea because every time I hear about someone telling lies about another person, it seems that there is never any judicial repercussions?
The “open minded” podcast actually explains it. And it’s weird. They are kinda forced to stay quiet. It’s the people with money that will always win is what I took from their explanation. You should check them out. I think it was either their first or second episode where they talked about it. A victim can’t go online and put them on blast. Thinking about it, that’s probably why when idols finally do speak up they end themselves soon after because they’re scared of the law suit or get personal threats…wow that’s so sad
Exactly, she had the courage to accuse her school friend of assault, even though all the cameras showed that the girl only held her arm. The strangest thing was that she only accused April after they started to become somewhat successful. Naeun was doing successful dramas. The group was growing because of Lalalilala and Now or Never. In my opinion, after UNI-T's disbandment, she knew she couldn't debut again and did it to gain some attention and destroy the career of the former group.
yeah, love makes ppl blind. thats why hyuna is marrying that man. dawn decided to leave regardless of the consequences for him and his group, hyuna didnt cause that from what we know. but then the entitled fans destroyed them, even when a member leaves, theres usually lots of support. some even bounce back stronger than ever, like lesserafim or idle. the fans finished them off when they couldve made pentagon stronger than ever.
What fans are you even talking about? Pentagon international fans loved them, and they didn’t have weird Riize fans that wanted to kick him out. Cube kicked them out because Hyuna and dawn came out about their relationship, and then Korea didn’t want anything to do with them unless pentagon showed their talents. That blackpink cover that went viral is a good example, or hui going on any show. They were a young group and non fans didn’t want to support them. What fans are you referring to since you make no sense at the moment.
@@milk__teee sorry for the misunderstanding, am talking about toxic fans which respectfully are mostly k-nets. Sorry for the misunderstanding once again 😅.
It's ridiculous that "fans" blame Hyuna for Pentagon's difficulties. I don't like Hyuna, but it wasn't her fault. It was the fault of psycho fans who think they own idols' lives and decide to boycott them when the idols don't play along with their delusions.
Bighit/hybe should never pick up making girl groups tbh. The company seems very male centered and very misogynistic tbh (not the artists, the company officials). Idk, just my opinion based on everything I've heard.
@@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds I don’t think the way they manage girl groups is much of a problem. It’s only a problem when a scandal arises. That is when you’re like ‘what the hell is HYBE doing’. They do great with their boy groups when it comes to scandals cause they have been managing a boy group for years before getting other ones but they haven’t had experience managing girl groups since glam and glam turned out to be a disaster. Plus the fact that everything that happened with Garam didn’t help the situation. The public was against Garam but there were also people that wished for Le Sserafim downfall after that entire situation and I’m glad that they decided to work with Le Sserafim after that instead of tossing them under the bus like Glam because not only did Garam not deserve it but the rest of the members didn’t either.
@@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds Now, fromis_9 definitely deserve more but people need to stop blaming HYBE for that when pledis is their own company. HYBE just helps fund everything and help provide management and a good budget. They don’t control anything going on with fromis so people need to direct their frustration towards pledis. I don’t know what is going on with the NewJeans situation and honestly I don’t even have an opinion on it anymore. It’s too much to even think about. I just hope it all works out in the end. Especially with Illit. They really don’t deserve the hate they got all because of a similarity in concept.
Imma be honest, I’m gonna be Hyuna number hater from now on. I know on Reddit people say pentagon actually are irrelevant and didn’t have any impact from 2018-2022. But I think it’s the opposite. Even with their most popular member leaving and them being hit with 3 dating scandals they managed to do fairly well in Korea and internationally. However are we gonna act like a group that has self producing idols, who can sing, dance and have visuals wouldn’t have become extremely big had dawn stayed? Tell me. Cube literally clones G-dragon and people had just lost that g dragon spark in kpop since he went it the military. I’m not gonna lie, I think pentagon do extremely well, I’m talking they probably win music show award with their first comeback after shine. Hyuna coming out instead of letting the rumours die down was extremely stupid. I’m also it certain she did it so she could leave cube, without thinking about the pentagon members, hui and dawn. It’s so weird that some people think pentagon wouldn’t have done well even though they did fairly well considering they were came into the scene when cube had really taken a fall in popularity, and the fact that they had 3 dating scandals come out at the same time (hui, dawn and yuto) If we’re being honest not many groups would’ve found as much success as they have considering the lack of support from cube, and the lack of support from the general public until a couple of years later. So in conclusion, I really don’t care what people say. Hyuna is probably my most hated idol. Her music sucks, what she did to pentagon and dawn sucks, and how who she’s married to is fucking embarrassing. I’m glad the entire international kpop community shunned her into into Asia, and how many of her Korean fans also stopped supporting her. Being that stupid was really her biggest problem.
Dating needs to be normalized in the Kpop industry and in the Kdrama industry as well. The average fan has no shot dating someone who is a multimillionaire and is in the public eye. It is bizarre that the idea is promoted. It is depressing to see singers and actors talking about wanting to get married by a certain age but the backlash from fans keeps them from dating.
@@BLINKWORLD-26774 That’s fine. I personally don’t really think much about the companies. Only the groups and their music. I’m not a company stan for many reasons and probably for the same reasons you don’t want to explain.
This channel covers interesting topics, but the pronunciation always pisses me off. Y’all can do all this research on Korean personalities but you can’t take the time to ensure you’re pronouncing their names right?? Over it. How do I block a channel
You can go to their shorts and tap the three dots. You will have the option of don't recommend channel. Idk if it only works for shorts but it's worth a try
Delusional and entitled fans destroyed Pentagon. Not Hyuna or Dawn. It's time we start holding fans accountable, but good luck finding a company with the balls to do it.
Outrageous that there is backlash if people date. Dating is considered a scandal?? They are entitled to have their own lives. No star is dating a normie off the street people, get a grip. Destigmatize Korean stars having a personal life-stop being insane.
stop 👏 thinking 👏 you 👏 can 👏 control 👏 idols' 👏 private (love) 👏 lives 👏 like imagine having to deprive yourself from love because people will hate you for feeling something that's naturally there.
Hyuna is a mess. You can tell by her looks, all those tattoos, and social media behavior. She's a perfect example of a damaged good. Good thing she somehow found love and married another damaged good, that guy involved in Burning Sun scandal, lol. At least they're perfect match. Love wins
OK. Hyuna was not at fault for Pentagon suffering. That is entirely on the weirdos that expect idols to keep themselves pure for their female fans. That’s a weird expectation.
Honestly if you are in a group, yes you can. Group needs teamwork. Its like sport. 1 person messed up and it still can effect the other person. Even in working field, a little messed up on group project can ruin an overall balance, and the way people perceive your team
the most cruel thing is what happend to pentagon
She dated him and left him and meant they group and all the things mean nothing
@@dianaosazenaye1313It is not Hyuna’s fault. It is Cube’s fault. Cube kicked Hyuna and E Dawn.
@@vixxexo6855 That's not entirely true. Cube Entertainment denied HyunA and Dawn's relationship to the public, and it should have ended there, with the relationship denied, the public would have calmed down. However, HyunA went public contradicting Cube, which had already denied it, saying that YES, she and Dawn were in a relationship. She made Cube look like a joke to everyone in Korea, and koreans started making fun of the company. That’s why Cube kicked them out, not because they were dating, but because HyunA made the company look foolish. If HyunA had kept quiet, she and Dawn could have continued dating in secret, Dawn would still be in Pentagon, and Pentagon might have had a better future. Honestly, I would have preferred it that way because Hui has already been humiliated enough in his life… seriously, seeing him on Boys Planet competing with 15 year old boys, when Hui was already a 30 year old with years of career experience, was simply deplorable. I thought Yujin on Girls Planet was sad, but Hui broke my heart because at least she debuted.
@@harveyismcube was never not a joke, just like how they denied the lyrics in soyeons performance where she disses them and they claimed soyeon never told them about the lyrics and then she comes out saying she did reviewed the lyrics with cube. Cube is just a sh1t company. I hate hyuna too for what she did(marrying that man) but let's not act like dawn had no say in hyuna revealing their relationship to the public, they're both adults. At least mention dawn too instead of putting all the blame on just hyuna.
@@vixxexo6855I blame the delulu fans who view idols dating as a plague. They need to stop with what they themselves refered to as their “culture.”
Hyuna's decision to make her relationship with Dawn public will always be selfish to me considering she mostly knew that they were a rookie group and the news would damage the group's reputation. In my eyes it will always be selfish of her to make that decision, which ultimately led to the group's downfall.
Edit: my point of saying this is that, she could've waited to reveal their relationship once pentagon had a solid fan base or had been active for more time. But considering it's Hyuna, she probably didn't even think about this key factor before revealing her relationship
I said this many times but lets stop babying dawn. I hate hyuna for what she did to dawn(left him because she wasn't ready to marry just to marry another horrible man shortly after) but dawn is an adult. Since hyuna and dawn were lovers when she revealed their relationship, I doubt that they didn't discuss about being public before revealing it. Hold both of them accountable instead of painting hyuna like some witch who put dawn under a spell.
How is AOA omitted? Jimin lost out on hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in career earning. AOA disbanded due to the weight of the accusations.
Tbh pentagon and dawn journey was sabotaged multiple times, be it dating, dawn leaving group or cube mismanagement. Though these guys are talented and a bit popular but they definitely could have had more if they would have chosen different alternative in life😢😢. But then again, they didn't knew and life is uncertain 😢😢
They'd be better with any other company
The worst one is Pentagon. The group was full of potential. Hui tried to make the group like the old days but couldn't, so he gave up, too. He even joined Boys Planet to make the group recognised by the people, but no, so he is like a soloist these days, and actually, it's better.
As a very old Pentagon stan I will forever blame hyunA for everything the boys are going through rn pentagon debuted w such a blast and now no one even knows them , bacj then as well i remember the Pentagon stans standing up against hyuna but now its literally over she not only destroyed pentagon but also dawn !!
agree
Jun Hyung was the most responsible, he knew Abt the burning sun scandal & saw the videos, but brushed it off bc he thought that it was an important matter
They really never stood a chance
Dawn is a grown ass man who chose to be with Hyuna over Pentagon and even mentioned he preferred being a soloist. Let's stop victimizing him.
@@feanoryen nah Hyuna was far more experienced than Dawn and knew the consequences it was HYUNA who announced the relationship publicly not DAWN get yo facts straight
Is there no law on defamation in Korea because every time I hear about someone telling lies about another person, it seems that there is never any judicial repercussions?
That law is very weird lie or not if it hinders one's fame it's DEFAMATION
The “open minded” podcast actually explains it. And it’s weird. They are kinda forced to stay quiet. It’s the people with money that will always win is what I took from their explanation. You should check them out. I think it was either their first or second episode where they talked about it. A victim can’t go online and put them on blast. Thinking about it, that’s probably why when idols finally do speak up they end themselves soon after because they’re scared of the law suit or get personal threats…wow that’s so sad
April was frustrating. With how Hyunjoo acted on the idol competition show, I am not inclined to believe her.
Exactly, she had the courage to accuse her school friend of assault, even though all the cameras showed that the girl only held her arm.
The strangest thing was that she only accused April after they started to become somewhat successful. Naeun was doing successful dramas. The group was growing because of Lalalilala and Now or Never.
In my opinion, after UNI-T's disbandment, she knew she couldn't debut again and did it to gain some attention and destroy the career of the former group.
Maturity comes when u realize that it was actually the fans who destroyed pentagon
yeah, love makes ppl blind. thats why hyuna is marrying that man. dawn decided to leave regardless of the consequences for him and his group, hyuna didnt cause that from what we know. but then the entitled fans destroyed them, even when a member leaves, theres usually lots of support. some even bounce back stronger than ever, like lesserafim or idle. the fans finished them off when they couldve made pentagon stronger than ever.
What fans are you even talking about? Pentagon international fans loved them, and they didn’t have weird Riize fans that wanted to kick him out.
Cube kicked them out because Hyuna and dawn came out about their relationship, and then Korea didn’t want anything to do with them unless pentagon showed their talents.
That blackpink cover that went viral is a good example, or hui going on any show. They were a young group and non fans didn’t want to support them.
What fans are you referring to since you make no sense at the moment.
@@milk__teee sorry for the misunderstanding, am talking about toxic fans which respectfully are mostly k-nets. Sorry for the misunderstanding once again 😅.
pronouncing hui as hooey is taking me out rn
It's ridiculous that "fans" blame Hyuna for Pentagon's difficulties. I don't like Hyuna, but it wasn't her fault. It was the fault of psycho fans who think they own idols' lives and decide to boycott them when the idols don't play along with their delusions.
what abt aoa mina?
Ikr
I remember GLAM such a talented group what a shame. Don’t forget the scandal of AOA😢
That one clip from The Unit tells me what I need to know about Hyeonjoo though.
I will never under stand kpop idols being cancele for dating 🤷♂️
is pentagon not goin to be releasing anymore music cause they havent done anything they only have 13 mini albums and that is it
Maybe a reunion in the future cuz their individual contract with cube expired
@@icyxzj true
Bighit/hybe should never pick up making girl groups tbh. The company seems very male centered and very misogynistic tbh (not the artists, the company officials). Idk, just my opinion based on everything I've heard.
How are they misogynistic?
@@jazzyedwards3871idk probably with the way they manage girl groups
@@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds I don’t think the way they manage girl groups is much of a problem. It’s only a problem when a scandal arises. That is when you’re like ‘what the hell is HYBE doing’. They do great with their boy groups when it comes to scandals cause they have been managing a boy group for years before getting other ones but they haven’t had experience managing girl groups since glam and glam turned out to be a disaster. Plus the fact that everything that happened with Garam didn’t help the situation. The public was against Garam but there were also people that wished for Le Sserafim downfall after that entire situation and I’m glad that they decided to work with Le Sserafim after that instead of tossing them under the bus like Glam because not only did Garam not deserve it but the rest of the members didn’t either.
@@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds Now, fromis_9 definitely deserve more but people need to stop blaming HYBE for that when pledis is their own company. HYBE just helps fund everything and help provide management and a good budget. They don’t control anything going on with fromis so people need to direct their frustration towards pledis. I don’t know what is going on with the NewJeans situation and honestly I don’t even have an opinion on it anymore. It’s too much to even think about. I just hope it all works out in the end. Especially with Illit. They really don’t deserve the hate they got all because of a similarity in concept.
What are you talking about? Bighit has only ever had 1 girl group, none of the hybe gg's are under bighit. @@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds
I thought GLAM is under at SM ENTERTAINMENT GROUP.😅 Thanks for this video
Are you serious? Glam is under BigHit and Source Music (later merged into HYBE).
Hyuna has become the modern Yoko Ono. 😂💀
Imma be honest, I’m gonna be Hyuna number hater from now on.
I know on Reddit people say pentagon actually are irrelevant and didn’t have any impact from 2018-2022. But I think it’s the opposite. Even with their most popular member leaving and them being hit with 3 dating scandals they managed to do fairly well in Korea and internationally.
However are we gonna act like a group that has self producing idols, who can sing, dance and have visuals wouldn’t have become extremely big had dawn stayed? Tell me. Cube literally clones G-dragon and people had just lost that g dragon spark in kpop since he went it the military.
I’m not gonna lie, I think pentagon do extremely well, I’m talking they probably win music show award with their first comeback after shine.
Hyuna coming out instead of letting the rumours die down was extremely stupid. I’m also it certain she did it so she could leave cube, without thinking about the pentagon members, hui and dawn.
It’s so weird that some people think pentagon wouldn’t have done well even though they did fairly well considering they were came into the scene when cube had really taken a fall in popularity, and the fact that they had 3 dating scandals come out at the same time (hui, dawn and yuto)
If we’re being honest not many groups would’ve found as much success as they have considering the lack of support from cube, and the lack of support from the general public until a couple of years later.
So in conclusion, I really don’t care what people say. Hyuna is probably my most hated idol. Her music sucks, what she did to pentagon and dawn sucks, and how who she’s married to is fucking embarrassing. I’m glad the entire international kpop community shunned her into into Asia, and how many of her Korean fans also stopped supporting her. Being that stupid was really her biggest problem.
Dating needs to be normalized in the Kpop industry and in the Kdrama industry as well. The average fan has no shot dating someone who is a multimillionaire and is in the public eye. It is bizarre that the idea is promoted. It is depressing to see singers and actors talking about wanting to get married by a certain age but the backlash from fans keeps them from dating.
So bighit first ever group was not bts but GLAM? 😅
That changes so many things and how you look at the company . ( ykwim)
How does that change how you look at the company?
@@jazzyedwards3871 I choose to not answer that
@@BLINKWORLD-26774 That’s fine. I personally don’t really think much about the companies. Only the groups and their music. I’m not a company stan for many reasons and probably for the same reasons you don’t want to explain.
@@jazzyedwards3871 yeah right.
y'all r fucked up for not talking abt the burning sun scandal
They literally have a multiple videos on it tho, unless you're talking about in this specific video.
@@izzme5204 I'm talking Abt this specific vid
Girl I love your videos, but you try a little harder to pronounce all the names right 😭
I hate when someone makes up a lie and it ruins some else’s who life. People should get the facts before they sharpen their pitch forks
This channel covers interesting topics, but the pronunciation always pisses me off. Y’all can do all this research on Korean personalities but you can’t take the time to ensure you’re pronouncing their names right?? Over it. How do I block a channel
You can go to their shorts and tap the three dots. You will have the option of don't recommend channel. Idk if it only works for shorts but it's worth a try
Delusional and entitled fans destroyed Pentagon. Not Hyuna or Dawn. It's time we start holding fans accountable, but good luck finding a company with the balls to do it.
This is so awful like WTH?
Edit : I find this truely disgusting aswell that u would do things like this like WTH??
What did OP do??
Outrageous that there is backlash if people date. Dating is considered a scandal?? They are entitled to have their own lives. No star is dating a normie off the street people, get a grip. Destigmatize Korean stars having a personal life-stop being insane.
stop 👏 thinking 👏 you 👏 can 👏 control 👏 idols' 👏 private (love) 👏 lives 👏
like imagine having to deprive yourself from love because people will hate you for feeling something that's naturally there.
Hyuna is a mess. You can tell by her looks, all those tattoos, and social media behavior. She's a perfect example of a damaged good. Good thing she somehow found love and married another damaged good, that guy involved in Burning Sun scandal, lol. At least they're perfect match. Love wins
tattoos and looks say nothing abt a person tho...
OK. Hyuna was not at fault for Pentagon suffering. That is entirely on the weirdos that expect idols to keep themselves pure for their female fans. That’s a weird expectation.
They are only responsible for their own careers, they cannot ruin others
True
Frr
Honestly if you are in a group, yes you can. Group needs teamwork. Its like sport. 1 person messed up and it still can effect the other person. Even in working field, a little messed up on group project can ruin an overall balance, and the way people perceive your team
not necessarily. aoa's mina def ruined the other members careers, specifically jimins. and like wise, eunseo ruined garams idol career.
As a Universe Dawn never ruined Pentagon. He chose love and we are so proud of him for this
Spread the gospel!
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