Not True, I swear he has my house bugged. I wanted to heat my pool with solar panels and also cool the panels with the pool. And he also got the server water cooler that is sitting in my garage to use for heating and cooling. So many of my projects and future projects, end up being LTT videos. Next he is going to do his own home battery backup.
😂 Got to love the entrepreneurial spirit-it's risk taking leaders like Linus (and Yvonne, too, to be fair...) that makes life easier, indeed better, for the rest of us.
Might want to add a note to this. I bought the product with the assumption (i know) that I'd be able to download it and start playing around with it, however that's not the case. You pay $99 for the OPERTUNITY to be invited to beta access. Right now, they're processing invites from order numbers in the 2,000's. My order is in the 30,000's. By the time I do get an invite I'll probably have moved to something else.
What HexOS really needs is a super simple way to setup backups. And by that I mean that you don't even have to need a buddy. I like the principle of buddy backup - perhaps they can host a buddy backup target as a service for rent? Either on their own infrastructure or in cooperation with someone like Backblaze, Hetzner or AWS. A super simple offsite backup solution where you rent as much storage as you need and never have to think about it again would be very helpful.
Their website mentions that the lifetime license doesn't grant cloud backup, so likely that means cloud storage will be a subscription service they plan to offer later.
THIS! I currently have rsync pointing to Backblaze, but there is NO good backup software that runs in docker and has an easy to use web ui. The only web uis out there are fairly in depth and require a decent amount of googling and understanding of compression algorithms, encryption methods, and target options. If HexOS built that natively, I’d be over the moon!
Or how about putting in some storage on your machine in exchange for the same amount of storage on some other random machine(s). Like peer to peer backup
But wait wouldn't that just be similar to google photos? You're suggesting to store photos offsite on some other infrastructure that you don't know about
A small pro tip Linus: Do not show people how to change the boot order, save and reboot. This often leads to confusion. It might sound trivial and it is, but from thousands of clients I noticed, that their are soooo many people wo get stuck changing boot orders agaib for hours. Just use boot override in the Bios or if not available the Boot manager. This works on most devices and with luck the boot order no longer needs to be adjusted for a working system again after installation. Believe me, I suffered so much due to clients not grasping this and getting stuck for hours.
@@LinusTechTips i'll give you another tech tip! you should make (any of you) a test video for casaos, that does the same thing but free and same ease of use, but can run anywhere - expecially on rpi3-4-5
I feel like modifying the boot order also may lead to issues down the road. Imagine you plug that same USB back in and it tries to reinstall the entire OS.
@@CharlesLijt i use a synology nas. I’ve been using for some months now and don’t get me wrong, the setup wasn’t THAT hard but it still required a lot of time (around 3 days to fully setup something functional) and A LOT of patience and after all this time I have files that aren’t always up to date (the main reason I bought a NAS is to have synced files at all time) and the connection outside the LAN is PAINFULLY slow, I would say unusable. Sharing files with friends is impossible as they download at a few kb/s and even on Wi-Fi I still get only 5MB/s. There are ways to improve it manually? Sure. Is it easy? For someone like me and his first try, hell no.
If i learned anything on LTT at all, it is not to buy "products" on future promises. Never pre-order. And the price is... a no. You are too close to this to see it i guess.
@@justinchey2281 They demoed a slightly different-looking UI for a bunch of shit truenas already does. Run through cloud servers, for some fucking reason.
@@justinchey2281 No drive SMART testing, nor scheduling for a system that appears to be based on TrueNAS Scale is pretty shocking to be demoing considering TrueNAS Scale has all these features, and at HexOS is just a UI reskin, with CasaOS (free docker wrapper)- like one click app deployment. I'm sure it will get better, but for a paid software, it isn't great right now.
I half agree with this and am trying to figure out if i buy it it not. I love the idea, and the future of it. I’m certain that I will want this product if it gets the updates that are promised, i just don’t have much use for it right now. But there’s the problem. A) buy now for $99 and enjoy it in a few years when its fully featured. B) buy it in a few years when its fully featured, but now its $299. With A, there’s a chance I’ll lose $99 if the promised updates are not delivered. With B there’s a chance I’ll have to spend $199 more, just because I didn’t trust them and waited. I really don’t know what the best idea is. Do I trust them to make on their promises or not? I trusted framework, and so far, that’s worked well for me.
Has UA-cam REDUCED their payouts recently? What's with all these 'big guys' suddenly making all these desperate 'cash grabs'? Like MKBHD with the subscription wallpaper, and SHAMELESS Sponsorship videos. And now Linus pushing overpriced & unfinished software?
@@masterman1502 the subscription is for the non lifetime access people so you don't need to pay $300 upfront in the future. Pay $99 now, never pay again
The idea is good, but considering it's based on free TrueNAS and has strong competition from UnRAID, the non-sale pricing is simply too high. $49 lifetime should be the BF price, $75 the non-BF beta price and $99 the stable price. Buddy backup sounds great until you realise your buddy will eventually have to cough up $299 (or a monthly sub that could be $10-$15 or so) to use it. When they buy a PC for $69 and the cheapest price for HexOS is $99 (and that's only for a few days, after which it doubles), then it's extremely clear the pricing is a major problem. It also doesn't sell well when the beta is missing enough features (especially being entirely local - HexOS relying on the cloud now and only promising cloudless operation later is frankly ridiculous) that it feels more alpha than beta to me.
@@casedistorted I think that is the most accurate take. I recognize that bit of gullibility of Linus in myself; getting excited over things without considering other's intentions. He runs an honest business, but I can imagine someone else figuring this out, indeed. I would have bought it at $99, instantly. I have zero experience with this stuff, and so does most of his audience. Anyone who's been watching the WAN show, and is interested in doing simple self-hosting, has been primed to pay attention. $99 now, or $299 the next time I pay attention and want to do something like this, is a good value proposition.
i think many peop[le that have no skill in data stuff paying about 600$ all in with about 8-16TB of space is great i just got it and i would not be getting it if i knew how to set up myself
They literally said this isn't in beta yet. The UI is currently just the UI right now. You can either spend the money for a simple solution to a complex system or spend the time learning the complexity of a system. The point of Hexos is having the option which isn't available right now except for Synology, Qnaps or the other inferior locked down operating systems that costs you way more than $300 with hardware you can't even upgrade.
@@jackiebiskan4748 single 8TB HDD costing £200 512gb m.2 nvme costing £50 machine used in the video £100 say you're way off with $600... Ubuntu has a gui, granted its not truenas or whatever. but you can still host plex/jellyfin using dockstarter with minimal fuss and setup.
The website has like close to 0 information on the features, support and what it does. But what I do get is that it that HexOS apparently is one of the first to fly under the "powered by TrueNAS" flag. So ultimately HexOS is a UI for TrueNAS - which the home user gets for free and isn't charged 199USD per server in the beta / early access phases (and alter apparently 299USD per server).
Throughout the video, I was hoping there would be something like a "Community Edition" with maybe some limited functionality that we could at least try for free and decide if it's really worth it or nah. The $300 price tag is a really tough sell, and with the FOMO like "$99 black friday deal only today!" sure leaves some bad taste in my mouth.
Absolutely they're trying to show investors or something that there's interest through FOMO. 'well 25,000 people bought it on black Friday for $100 so I bet 50k people will buy it for 300!'
Exactly. Offering a discounted early price is a totally reasonable practice - threatening to triple the price is extremely obnoxious. They would be 100x better off to NOT talking about future price increases. Now if they DON'T increase the price the early adopters will get angry.
I 100% agree. I'm an advanced home labber, and while this is interesting I wouldn't say replace unraid or truenas with it without getting some hands on. And I'm not paying $99 for EA software I can't even test before committing.
yeah i don't know. "don't pay for promises" but if you do it, it's fine? this fomo pricing also stings, from 100 to 200 and then even to 300 whenever the 1.0 release happens... personally, i would be actually interested in this when it's in an installable state (at least 1.0), at the same time, if i am not buying this license now at 100, i for sure wont buy it at 200 or 300. i understand things cost money, don't get me wrong, still doesn't change how i feel about this.
I feel like people are being a little overly critical about certain things, but I 100% agree that the don't pay for future promises, but doing it for us is okay hypocrisy is crazy
@@pandavova I mean, they openly talk about future updates, and you actually pay less until it released. I'm kinda into idea "hey, it's not finished, but we already need money, support us if you want, we will increase price when it has more features". Rabbit r1 would win with this approach (not talking about, that some point out that it's actually a scam). Discount feels like a fair trade, if you have value for current variation. Buying full price into triple AAA game on release and they still didn't delivere, so you wait/ Buying into indie beta game that Is still in development And will release with another price
@@PavelSustov " they openly talk about future updates" lol Future updates are future updates, they're a promise at most, you can't put this any other way. The problem is that you can either save the time and effort or the money. You can't do both. This product targets a very nieche audience, the ones who decided to host their own storage. For like $50, this would be no brainer to buy and save some time. But for $300? Nah. For cheap DIY storage solution, this is expensive. For professional use, it's unjustified (because in a professional scenario there is more than likely people with sufficient knowledge to configure TrueNAS).
@@aflac82 I also have to say I don't quite understand what the advantage to TrueNAS is supposed to be. I haven't done it yet, but from a few videos I've watched configuring TrueNAS seems pretty simple. Slightly less intuitive than HexOS, but what are video tutorials and Google for? Linus doesn't really say what the problems are supposed to be. Does anybody here know?
@@aflac82 hey, I'm not talking about price and all of that, if you don't see value, you don't need no big questions. I'm talking about "don't invest in promises". Read the original comment before commenting, I don't know...
Idk. $300 for a TrueNAS UI seems steep. And that's coming from someone who paid $699 for a Roon lifetime license. I get that in the backend there's ongoing cost for hosting the UI endpoints and enabling the Cloudflare tunnel like connections to my NAS, if the thing isn't exposed to the internet and allowing for direct connections. But that only makes me question the business model of a one-time fee even more. Also wondering, who is the target audience here? The person that wants the ease of use of a Synology but also likes to tinker and upgrade their own hardware, yet doesn't want to go deep enough to maintain a TrueNAS or standalone Linux server themselves? And the "there's no vendor lock in" pitch is "if the company goes belly up, you can just maintain the underlying TrueNAS yourself". Like what? Then why wouldn't I do that from the start?
to be honest it IS pretty steep. I bet a few people would rather learn how to use TrueNAS rather than spend $300 later. $99 now is reasonable, but if the price is $200 for the next year, and then $300 afterwards forever, that is pricey ash eck.
@@casedistorted >$99 is reasonable I strongly have to disagree. For a fully polished product like unraid, yes. But for what it is right now, it's harder to use than truenas, especially given the lack of VM and app support. Having the audacity to make this Early access build $99 is just greedy and won't give them user feedback. I certainly would have tried it, if they made an open beta for a few months, and ask for cash only on the final release. But for a potential $300 it better provide more features than a similarly priced Synology Nas. Especially with showing a $69 PC
The price feels steep to me as well. (like black-friday price is kinda tempting, but definitely wont be buying it after that discount, too expensive!) But to your question of "who it is for?" I think someone who might be tech inclined to build a setup but wants easy and consistent maintenance. Like if i set this up at my grandparent's I can just set it and forget it basically, with the occasional updates maybe? (i assume they will try to minimize breaking updates/changes in the future or at least the promise seems to be one click updates to everything) Basically you are paying for the convenience since the maker-space seems to assume that you will always/forever remain up-to-date with the technical know-how. Best thing I hope this does is to push forward other app/software into building for non-tech public while preserving the options for pros, which it seems to be doing/trying! Most Exciting Feature (for me) : Buddy Backup!
I think the 300$ are relatively reasonable, give or take 50$. I see who this is for, because it is for me. I am okayish with hardware. I built my own NAS becaues I get a way better deal on the hardware and I need it (backing up a dozen PCs and smartphones as well as a respectable media library). But I have absolutely no interest whatsoever to dive into TrueNAS and keep tinkering there to improve my setup, maintain it and risk breaking something. Hardware is a somewhat oneoff effort (i know it is not, but hardware fails infrequently enough to be considered one off). Software maintenance is a huge pain in the back and a constant effort. I spent a fulltime week dealing with software and its pains, plus a sidehustle. I want the hardware and software I rely on the be as dumbed down as possible for me to not break anything. If 300$ is the price to pay for a lifetime license of somebody taking care to make the maintenance as stupidly simple as it can be, I am going to happily pay it. If you're building a NAS because you want to save every cent you can, going with free nas is a sensible strategy.
This is literally amazing. I have spent so many hours as a layman trying to figure out users and permissions in truenas scale. I can’t wait for this to be fully fledged
$299 for a license is insane for this, I was totally behind this until that price point. Seems like a good "for my mom" setup, but at that price point I'll just copy my proxmox config to a new box and eat the time that takes me to setup.
You're not the target consumer and that's okay. At $100 for early access that's a price point many people are willing to jump on and honestly for someone like a tech illiterate "mom" a $300 up front fee is nothing. The number of McAfee sales for $500 for lifetime "antivirus" protection would make you cry and for many tech illiterate consumers $300 for something that future state will be plug and use isn't crazy to them.
Yeah. This would be fine if it was 50 bucks or something. But this is just too huge. They could always up the price later, but I think this defeats the point of being for casuals to manage their servers. Not to mention they could still sell services around this. By having their own backup location, managing domains and buying them through hexos, bundling various other subscriptions into one price, etc. I get it, it has cost a lot of money but surely this must be a long term project that will fund itself the more people get it running. And for what it has now, is mostly promises and a neat hello world demo. Even for 99 bucks I expected more to be already included, seeing that its basically a nice UI platform on top of TrueNas
Yeah... I'm generally not sure about NAS tho, if the point is to not having to subscribe to everything to "not pay forever" just to e.g. share movies or pictures with your household then I don't exactly see the reason to not just buy DVDs/BLu-Ray or send the pictures over to them to... you know? Not pay forever in electricity to run a extra device - price for the license aside. Half the movies you'd put on there are regularly on sale for like 4€ -7€ either way, so even if you want to ensure that everyone can view them at the same time on multiple devices without burning them onto another disc it's still cheaper on the long run to just grab multiple discs on sale - and if you want to watch 5000 movies then I'm not sure if just having subscriptions that you actually cancel isn't... well, cheaper.
I've had the (dis)pleasure of using Odoo before on some contract work and holllllllly shit is it bad. It feels like bad, cheap, slow, feature-less web-based office software because it is. Their market is basically small, 'barely computer literate' organizations with users that operate primarily on phones.
Also very funny to add "sponsor" on this particular video when he's basically promoting a brand. Its very shady, confusing and not consumer friendly if u ask me
@@gonderAmh What? Isn't it clear enough in the title for you to have the balls to call it shady? Anyhow, he isn't making money of you buying into early access... the project is already successful. Unironically, he is letting you know you can ride the wagon now for cheaper.
@@gonderAmh he is a part owner of the brand as an angel investor. he is promoting himself essentially, not the same thing as taking a sponsor. he IS the sponsor.
@calebmenker988 amen to this, Permissions still kinda fk me up. I'm glad I got nginx for a reverse proxy and jellyseer with radarr and sonarr linked with qbit and a vpn on the qbit downloads. Working pretty well so far and so happy.
I think a really cool way to have the subscription would be that once you've spent a total of like $400 in the subscription you get a lifetime license. But you can still cancel any time.
I don’t think anyone should be able to get to that with a monthly fee as the payments shouldn’t reasonably be more than $2-3/month. Like what are they giving us? A JavaScript frontend that delegates to a BFF on device? The service is just a website with dynamic DNS?
@@ru2225 nahh its a preorder "Users will receive early access to the HexOS Beta in stages, beginning on 11/29/2024. Invites will continue in waves to test infrastructure stability and scalability." i pay and i might get invited soonTM.. i reconsider its even worse than preorder.
I've always put off building a NAS server for me and my family because of how daunting it always looked and I don't necessarily have the time to learn everything related to that. Seeing how simple HexOS seems to be, I might actually give this a shot once they got a more stable release. Definitely am gonna keep my eyes on that!
@tsirakura1684 That's what they want everyone to think. Ain't no way the price will be anywhere near $300 on release, they'll drop it to $100-$200 and will market themselves as "the good guys"
So what does this do that Unraid doesn't? The permission thing is just as easy on Unraid, they're both based on Linux, both have Docker and VM support built-in, both support ZFS (which I would consider less optimal for most home users when compared to Unraid's storage implementation), both have cloud management features, Unraid supports Tailscale which does pretty much exactly what HexOS plans to do with Cloudflare - so what's the USP here? This isn't meant to be a dig or anything, the video simply didn't tell me. Is it really just a simpler, more minimalist UI and the buddy backup thing that more technically inclined users can easily do with Borg on Unraid or any random Linux server?
And it's also missing unraids biggest feature. Just slap any random assortment of drives in it (even ones that already have data) and it'll just work. The simplicity with drive selection is a massive point in unraids favor IMO
Asking that, means you didn't bother paying attention to the video. You aren't the target customer. Clearly. The fact that you asked the question, means it's not meant to cater to you. But. Paying attention and actually listening is hard. Isn't it?
Couldn’t agree more. I am squarely in the target demo for this, but having begrudgingly rolled my own Homelab setup, without things like point and click reverse proxy setup, or more than two apps in the ecosystem, I can’t justify even the $99.
I wanted this Nas software, but 300$ ? Windows is 139$ officially. If we are budget friendly, how does the os costs the same as the hardware? Don't get me wrong I love the idea and I don't have experience with NAS software, but this seems a bit much
Lifetime access. If you're "budget friendly" then pay the subscription while you save for lifetime. No one using this product will keep the same hardware for a decade, you're going to upgrade eventually, budget the software in. Don't want to pay? Stick with TrueNas or any of the other free software. Think it's too expensive? Replicate it's functionality and charge us what you think is acceptable.
The truth for me right now is this: $99 now: No, I've learnt the hard way not to purchase something based on a promise that it will be great later. $200 / $300 later: No, that price doesn't appeal. If I was starting from scratch I think it's more likely I'd try my money with something like Unraid first and see if I could figure it out. (disclaimer: I did that vs buying a Synology) That aside, I find this product promise a little perplexing as to who it's really meant to be marketed at.
It’s marketed at people like me. This interface is perfect for someone like me who wants the idea of owning their own data but is too overwhelmed and not techy enough to do anything complex. Currently I’m a college student but when I am a researcher working on my projects I could see this being so so helpful.
Yeah I was excited until I saw the price since I don't buy things in early access on the promise of what else might come. I feel like there is a fairly limited market of people willing to build their own systems but unwilling to treat this as something like a hobby. I like how this isn't limited to Synology hardware but for the price of the software I feel like most people would just hop on board a Synology NAS instead. I for one just want ECC memory to become more standard and I'd even consider buying a Synology NAS instead of looking into making a whole Proxmox cluster and maybe trying out Ceph instead of ZFS just as a project to give myself.
I agree that the current plan for pricing is probably too high but there is a target market: tech enthusiasts who love tinkering with hardware/software but NOT networking and security. My take is that most of that sentiment comes from the former being about making fun things work (net positive) while the latter is about preventing unfun things from happening (no effect, depending on your perspective).
@@EkiTojiyou "feel" doesn't matter. I'm the same as the OP here. looks like a great product for me down the line at full release for sure. the price tag isn't bad for lifetime at all, i'm fine putting hardware together but i struggle with software. Building and maintaining a NAS is not a hobby for me, it's a fucking chore lol so the simpler the software side of things is the better. The end of your post is a foreign language to me and MANY others.
And once you want to upgrade your Synology NAS, you'll have to pay full price for new hardware... With software, you're in control of the hardware and you can upgrade according to your changing needs. Maybe you don't have changing needs? Well they have that covered, if you go too long without buying a new NAS, its software support will be EOL and you'll stop receiving updates, at which point you might be exposing yourself to security risks. People who like owning their hardware will prefer paying for the software or will learn to use the free software.
@@IceYetiWins That's effectively what synology already do (that $69 computer is way more powerful than a DS223, and much more expandable)... FYI I happily own a synology NAS.
@ that’s what I’m saying. If you’re already techie enough to built it ur techie enough to figure out truenas. For my non techie friends I recommend Synology
Homebrew NAS and "easy" seem like targetting the wrong audience - who would be building a NAS that isn't already tech-minded? Synology would be a better option for non-techies, and their software is excellent and user friendly.
I don’t agree. I think you’re in a bubble if you don’t think there are plenty of people who are technically capable but don’t want to spend their week fiddling around to get storage working
Linus, if you haven’t done so already, please consider adding a contractual agreement to keep a reasonable lifetime price tier available in perpetuity. Even if that means you would have to participate in their next round. You probably know better than most how startups are driven and how easy it is for them to become legally obligated to best serve their investors instead of their original mission. Including driving towards extremely high growth rates that enable over 10x ROI for investors within a few years. Especially once they bring in financial investors, they will be looking towards IPO or Acquisition within less than 5 years and they will want the company to grow fast enough to do so. That brings in the high risk that they will move away entirely from the single pricing option to a subscription only model. It might happen purely because investors want it, all while the company is growing steadily and profitably already. In short, this change might happen unjustifiably, and unexpectedly. Thanks for supporting these projects and sustainable consumer friendly business models.
Highly disagree, if anything, make them write into their highest legally-binding-can't-be-retractdd founding/corporate documents that they cannot LOOPHOLE out of the lifetime payers for all the basic premises.
I've been burnt by too many bad city building games, and am afraid to buy any new ones. Urban planning is just too complex of a field to realisticly make a game out of.
Linus, I found a few things unclear, and the website was no help. Perhaps this information can be added somewhere? Firstly, how does "lifetime for one machine" work? Do I have a key that is crosschecked to a server? What if I lose that key? Can I switch machines in the future? Secondly, what IS the OS? Your video shows a windows dashboard for OBS recording... that WILL confuse people. It's not Windows, it's not Linux, so what is it? The answer is Unix but a lot of the target audience won't understand that it may not have the featureset they are used to an OS providing. That needs to be clarified, when I first saw this I thought "oh hey, I can use this to host my minecraft server that I currently have on my Linux machine!". And I don't think I can? (Not until VMs anyway, but I'm unsure the logistics of that). Third, will RISC-V and ARM support be on the future roadmap? Fourth, will I be able to see the file contents of my buddy backup? As a more personal usecase, will I be able to do a synchronized group, where two buddies have a folder of matching data so when one adds a new ISO to their nested folder structure it syncs that update? Finally, how flexible is storage use? Can I use different sized storage mediums? Can I use a 14 and an 18 and have 14 mirrored or RAID0 and the other 4 as normal storage? Currently, in the website FAQ, it just has an asterisk following "use SIMILAR drives*" but no elaboration for that asterisk I'm on the fence, if I had answers to these questions they would have had my money. But as it stands, I think the documentation is quite sparse. That said, I might buy it anyway because it looks sick.
For the second question: The OS is based on TrueNAS, which is based on FreeBSD. However the admin interface is accessible through a web browser (I believe)
This is pretty much TrueNAS Scale with a very simplified front end, so it is Linux based. You would be able to run a minecraft server now, but that would involve running this in a hypervisor, or jumping into the TrueNAS side of it and configuring it that way. Right now hardware support is limited to x86, and I'm personally not sure about plans for ARM and RISC-V support. For the final point, it uses ZFS so you should be able to use whatever drives you want, as long as you keep similar capacity drives in each vdev. They only showed the 2 drives, so I'm not sure what it looks like, but I imagine that expand button that Linus clicked is for creating another vdev.
@@Max_G4 TrueNAS has moved away from FreeBSD - they currently still maintain TrueNAS Core (the BSD version) but basically all forward progress is on TrueNAS Scale (itself based on Debian Linux). So this is built on TrueNAS which itself is built on Debian.
It’s absolutely not unix, it’s based off of the linux version of freenas. Even the freebsd version of freenas isn’t unix, freebsd isn’t unix and even BSD wasn’t unix when it was still under development. Get a grip.
@@Max_G4 That is way wrong. FreeNAS and TrueNAS Core were based on FreeBSD. TrueNAS SCALE (which is the one featured in the video) is based on Debian (Linux).
But as Linus stated in the video you have the option for buying a life time license and not having the only option being a monthly payment like other services are.
@@balsalmalberto8086 from my understanding, its lifetime of the product, unless stated otherwise in the contract, even if another company bought hexos, it would still be valid, if new ownership tries to cancel your lifetime license, they can be sued for breach of contract.
@@balsalmalberto8086 Your talking about million dollars companies which probably have investors. And even if not lol, you got that "trust me bro garantee" that linus will drop support and expose them if they pull such a move. And even then just switch to truenas for free, there not going to hold you files hostage. But you know, theres might be more convinience in paying to not own anything and not wanting to invest time for yourself and the things you wish to not disapear lol.
@@robertrudik3022 Yes, they mention WireGuard which on its own requires a fair bit of setup and their own subscription-based one. Tailscale is easier to configure than Wireguard and is free for most features.
I'm not sure what the problem with TrueNAS scale is supposed to be. It looks a bit more technical, sure but nothing totally unreasonable. They don't really say, which makes the supposed advantage of this product unclear.
@@4203105 it differs a bit from unraid since unraid you can just swap and add drives willy nilly as you feel like it. Thats a huge appeal for homelab users who have random drives lying around
@@4203105 except they did... a perfect example when it came to ACLs and permissions was brought up. Not everyone want to have to learn all of those things and yet still may have a want or need for a NAS setup. That is the point of this product. It likely isn't for you or most of the viewers here but you all need to understand that the startup is a business looking to make money and Linus is an investor in that business and is also looking to make money. In other words whether the product makes sense for this particular audience or not he is going to make a video on it because despite how casually he talks about the $250,000 he certainly isn't in the business of intentionally losing it lol
@@DomikGPC my thoughts as well, been running unraid for few years. Using the community apps store most apps are also a near 1-click install. And aside from that, there’s also stuff like CasaOS, Yunohost, Cosmos server. Those are all free and I would say on a similar user level experience.
@@4203105 you're not the target audience, simple as that. If TrueNAS was fine for you, you obviously don't need hexOS. Is it really that difficult to understand?
This is perfect timing! About to decommission my old pfsense box for a new network solution, so I'll have a small server open to test this out on! Have been waiting on this forever now, I'm all unraid and would love a new setup :)
I get the vision, but what makes this worth $300 more than UmbrelOS? Realistically all this has over it is a RAID setup wizard and buddy backup. UmbrelOS is already pretty mature
And that's already a lot! Not to mention very intuitive and simple settings for people who are not very technical. Having such a simple setup wizard is a difference between a user making their own NAS, or getting intimidated and just buying a google cloud
I also love that Umbrel OS is so incredibly light. The fact that my home server is a RasPi 5 in my living room, barely noticeable by passersby, is extremely compelling. But HexOS has some things going for it. Buddy Backup and storage adoption are two major weak points Umbrel OS doesn't have today. I could see them prioritizing those now that competition is beginning to get serious, though.
Man they want to sell you their mini computer so badly I can't even find a download link for the OS. Not sure if I'd trust a company like that with my long term setup.
Well at this point what else is he to do with his funds. I mean he already has a sick "home" studio as well as all the various Studios set up in the Main HQ, Labs, Warehouse. The only thing he hasn't really done is build a house from the ground up, and seeing the real estate market of where they are located, I don't think that option is viable.
I don't have a NAS yet so I was looking forward to the HexOS. It sounded really good until they revealed the price. IIRC a while back Linus ranted on a WAN show about games in early access on Steam being ridiculously priced, yet $99 for a beta OS with promises is ok? As others mentioned, people don't want to spend $199 for a Windows license, but $299 for a front-end of a free software? What am I missing? Once I build my NAS, I'll rather pay myself for the time and try my luck with TrueNAS and countless guides.
I think a lot of people are starting to see through linuses shit? Like… his attitude about it being a subscription is so disingenuous. Or at very least 200 dollars for… an app that may never finish?
Yeah, the price point seems to be a bit of a miss. This software is geared towards home users, but is priced like a business software. Most home users are just not willing and/or able to pay that much for software.
@ before software as a service, or free software being paid for by data collection, it wasn't uncommon to see software licenses that sometimes ballooned up to 400 to 500 USD, and that was for software home users might need at one point. the prevalence of filling stuff up with ads and data collection, plus the move away from lifetime licenses towards a subscription model and cloud services has pushed the expectation for software companies to offer too low prices or rely on subscription models
I mean 99 or 299(full price) is not that much if you think about all the benefits that will eventually come so Im also invested. But not rn cuz cloud dash.
Might as well buy into it now and wait fir it to come out. Linus did say its something they will be implementing. 99 bucks is pocket change compared to the 299 price tag
@@henriquerodrigues127 Well yeah, the price is different. But it's also about supporting the good stuff. I don't mind paying for things I believe in, I often donate to freeware projects, support games like Path of Exile or Warframe, donate to Linux distros. Not a huge amount, a couple bucks here or there, but it adds up over the years. That being said, I'll probably get the 199 edition after a couple months. It's worth it
realy cool, and i will take a look into this nuget in the future ;) good to see that the open surce part is still expanding and hold on your data easy is a absolut plus!
@@stocky9803 Have you actually run into those issues, or are you regurgitating other internet rumors? Because while it's true that that COULD be a problem, it basically never is. There's no indication that HexOS would be immune from anything like that either though. It's really trivial to move an Unraid license to a new USB / GUID, and you can do it a couple times a year without even needing to contact support. If something crazy happens and you need to do it again, outside that window, simply emailing Unraid support will get them to manually allow it, (provided you're not obviously abusing the license). Use a decent quality USB drive to begin with, and you'll probably never have a problem. A low-profile Samsung 128gb USB drive is MANY times larger than you'll ever need, the low-profile form factor will protect it from potentially being snagged and physically broken while you're faffing around with hardware, and it will last many, many years, without issue. And it they cost like $13 off Amazon. And if/when you ever do burn that one out, you will be able to boot to a new one, and transfer the license to a new thumb drive in literally minutes. You guys need to stop pretending to live in the infomercial universe, where it's impossible to open a bottle of ketchup without spraying down your entire kitchen and somehow also electrocuting yourself...
@@F-aber Then nobody will be. Cough up 299$ if you are not tech-savy? Synology is MUCH better for that Pricepoint. What kind of argument should that even be? Buy it all for "there will be in the future" promises?
Yea, and whats even worse is it will cost $300 even later! They really screwed us on the "Buy now or pay double in a week" thing at the worst possible time, made it seem a bit greedy on Linuses/HexOS part by trying to get it on the 'we want our xmas bonuses to be big' with the black friday sale and HexOS sale at the same time.
@@ErnieZee Some people can't see value. These people probably also buy shit on temu that they replace after a few uses and then complain that "they don't make things like they used to".
Telling people they have a week to decide is the exact thing he complains about all the time with other manufacturers and software developers. This kind of manufactured scarcity is a tactic he has called out many many times
Or, like some people have reasonable consumer concerns about this and you are rejecting them out of hand by reducing their argument to the absurd -- which is a fallacy. Reducto ad absurdism. Why do Alice's fans refuse to ever accept even the most modest criticis. Look at the post you're responding to? Consider that some excessive hate? They're pointing out that they don't like the manufactured scarcity element of the marketing -- something linus critiques frequently. Linus has made a career out of critiquing the value proposition out of products. But when people do it against him they "can't see value?"
If this doesn’t address “Day 2” concerns, it’s going to go the way of previous options before it: dead. Starting is easy, continuing is hard and I don’t see how this actually solves anything hard.
Agreed. Keeping this updated with thousands of users with ten thousands of different hardware configurations will be a nightmare. Better set up a 24/7 support hotline soon ;D
Some alternatives to this (prices in USD) 1. Synology DS124 + 4TB Seagate Ironwolf drive: $245 2. Umbrel Home - contains 2TB SSD storage: $419 3. Install CasaOS on any server already running Linux
Is it possible to replace the Synology OS with something like this? That could breathe some new life into older investments, or bypass current or future Synology changes we might not like (codec rugpull, most recently, for example). I might want to pay for that!
@@PJFoley Synology products are very proprietary, so you can’t use software on them other than DSM. It might be wise to consider getting a unit from Asustor if you want to install third-party operating systems. Asustor does not offer single-bay models however.
i went xpenology route. synology software running on a regular pc. Although it runs on previous version of synology, version 6 and not 7. you still get the super easy setup of synology. Can add docker and get anything else you need. just don't upgrade to 7 and your fine. Been running mine for 5 years now.
I want 4-6 drives in my nas for family. Found the synoligy ds423 for almost 450$ ex tax and the ds1621+ for 900 ex tax. Then drives for those. And then fudge around with their proprietary shit and their stupid configs on top of that. Compared to 300 + my old gaming computer and some drives I come out cheeper and don’t have to fuck around. And I can add even more drives and nvme if I want to. The base features for 99 was just what I needed right now and it will be perfect for me even if they never manage to build something more.
@@Infigo96 yah the one thing about synology that im not a fan of is the btrfs. had the system lock on readonly mode once. took days to copy and fix system. otherwise no issues for 5 years. running on old pc running a synology image. Didn't have to buy anything, used an old pc, x6 4TB drives i already had. Since then i picked up a real synology 4 bay to use for backups. paid $100 at a company estate sale ;) i dont think they knew what it was.
I get it. This is for me, and I am excited! I have always wanted to have a home server, but it just seemed like to much of a time sink. I am busy and have far too many other projects to work on. This looks very do-able, and in its current state, it already does everything I would need it to.
I know some tech stuff, but haven't been able to follow along with NAS products/videos that I've seen. This is something i have been able to understand and follow (for the most part).
I must admit I expected more than a new UI for Truenas which still lacks features Truenas already have. The mindblowing thing to do would have been to make setting up dockers easier and more guided while still having full control, for example.
@@mat967 I think that having a front end to TrueNas that takes care of all the nitty gritty stuff, while not making too many changes to how TrueNas functions isn't a bad call. If HexOS doesn't make it, it means you don't have to start over. Look at what happened with D-Link. I do understand why it feels underwhelming though.
You realise this requires not just a front end ui right? It requires severe backend code client code to communicate to the ui etc . Everyone who is saying this is just a UI has never done any software engineering before
I feel like people haven’t used electric eel since it came out last month on truenas. When they switched from kubernetes, everything became pretty click to deploy. I don’t know what hexOS is doing other than just setting app share folders to public, which isn’t good as a kid or family member could easily delete a single thing and you could easily miss your snapshot window for restoration.
First of all, it's CLEARLY stated it's still in beta, also it's clearly made for noobs. So I do think it's quite a stretch to suddenly want the advanced features as well.
It’s funny because this is the way it should’ve been 15 years ago, but Facebook and others came in and pushed personal data in the direction it ended up going. I love it!
@@LinusTechTipssupporting docker containers and third party app stores will give HexOS an massive library, and advantage over other solutions, at no cost. As long as the user is warned and informed about what they're doing I believe it is fine. This is partly why I champion CasaOS so much, because it's easy to use and keeps you in a curated walled garden by default, but will let you add to it if you really want.
@@c6q3a24 That isn't the benefit you think it is. You're not getting good value for money hardware with those systems, but you're going to have to pay the price because it's the only way to get access to the software. The cheapest way to get a NAS with Synology on it is I believe the $200 DS223j which is a 2 bay device with 1GB non-ECC memory, a basic Realtek CPU and a single 1GbE Lan port. No upgrade options. With this you can get basically whatever hardware you want and upgrade and expand to your heart's content. You may not need or want any of that, but as a current Synology user I put my money where my mouth is and bought the $99 lifetime license. For me it makes total sense.
Linus is collecting all the best tech startups like infinity stones and I'm here for it. Not having to study Access Control Lists like it's my doctorate is a game changer.
If you want to include many features, and keep it simple at the same time, you should include a small button at the bottom that says: "Advanced", or "More Options", or something like that. I just love it when apps and websites do that.
It's a cool idea, but I don't think the price is low enough to justify the risk of being an early adopter. For much less you can get a guaranteed to work Synology box. Sure it's a locked in system, but it's tried and tested.
Yeah $100 for the OS is prohibitively expensive, especially since it's going up, and ESPECIALLY since you can't buy a pre-built box at this time. (I still think the project is awesome though)
@@reed6514Just curious, but why would you want them to sell you a prebuilt box? The whole point is that you can use what ever cheap as dirt machine you can find that will hold your HDDs and then put HexOS on it...Then you can upgrade it or do whatever you want in the future and you will have a lifetime HexOS license that you can move to the newer hardware...
@@brucepreston3927 What % of users ever build a pc? Selling a complete unit would require huge investment - but it would also massively increase the potential market.
I mean barely if we are going with the 199, not at all if we are going with the current price of 99. My question is what this is actually providing that you can't get with truenas for free. Granted, I haven't tried it yet, but for home use it seems pretty straight forward.
I mean unraid has gotten more expensive than it used to be. And I can't say I support having only 1 year of updates unless you pay for another year. I would love it if they had at least 2 years when you first buy it. Then again I have the old ones so it doesn't apply to me
Putting this up for sale before it has a non-cloud dashboard is just silly. Now as someone from the other side of the world, I get to either pay a greatly discounted price for a super slow dashboard (Have you got servers in Australia? New Zealand? How about Europe? UK? Russia?) or I wait til you DO have servers here and have to pay heaps more. Oh and there’s no guarantee you’ll add a local dashboard, your consumer protection laws will happily let people claim they’ll add something later and then just not (cough cough Tesla). So again, I pay now and pray or I wait a bit and pay double maybe even triple the price depending when the “feature” comes - Feature being in quotes because it’s absurd to release a product for self hosters that relies on a cloud hosted dashboard, it’s not a feature it’s a basic requirement of the product.
I mean you don't need local servers for something like this. We are still talking the speed of light, so like 0,5 seconds max (considering light travels a bit slower in fiber and times for switching).
Yeah this reeks of needing a cash injection. 19:25 he says he can't fund this forever. Plus if you buy it today you can't even get it until they allow you to have access. No mention of when you can even get it after paying for it. this should've been on kickstarter and probably would have if Linus wasn't involved.
$299 is about 3 times as expensive as the system they used in the video. Definitely not an option if you're on a budget. Based on their site and that it's based on TrueNAS which is free I assumed this would also be free, so it being as pricey as that is a real bummer. Though I do think it can be worth it for some.
@@Iisakki3000actually it's not as insane as it sounds after you price some of the simpler solutions. Plex has become a payment nightmare, but jellyfin isn't quite up to par and Kodi/xbmc can get pretty hard to get all the features working at once.
@@Valnjes Those cloud services do cost the company money every month. If you want them, nobody will provide it for free without stealing all your data.
@@Kcii-99 If you're depending on a subscription service, when why not just use a 'traditional' CLOUD service? Either way, you're screwed if the company fails.
That's what I also thought. Just by a Synology. It is very user friendly, supported and has everything and more you need. And Synology has a very good track record for feature and security updates.
With maybe 4 drive bays? And old shitty ass hardware. I bought a 13700f cyberpower pc off ebay for $400 was given my brother's old 1660 and slapped 5 20 TB HDDs in it and I have a hell of a server and a great plex machine so my main gaming pc doesn't have to be on all of the time. 99% of the people in these comments just sound so damn broke i have no idea how yall survive. Its 99 dollars and I'm going to pay for it.
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@@huskers1278 I think the current problem is more that with the features seen here and what is promised in the future, you can't really do anything on it that would really benefit from stronger hardware copmpared to a synology, asustor, ugreen etc nas. And to do something that utilises more hardware, it seems like you will have to configure it in trueNas. At least for the forseeable future of maby 3 to 5 years. Because as it seems to be now, it will take a really long time until you can actually do something that a dedicated nas from a large brand can not do equally simple, without diving into advanced truenas config. That said, for 99 USD, I would definitely try it out.
@@saithisx the hardware is fine if you just use it as a NAS. not sure what the obsession is with everyone wanting to run containerized services on them
I've been waiting for this to be released. I'm techy enough to be interested in this stuff but not to jump into complicated stuff like NAS. Very excited for this when I have the time and space for it.
I remember you talking about this YEARS ago on the WAN show. I'm so, so happy we're finally getting more details because holy hell I would love an easy yet powerful storage server solution like this.
4:02 "We've already updated the BIOS and if you're rehabbing an old machine like this it is a good idea for you to do the same" Usually, yes. But upgrading beyond a mid-2019 BIOS on these Optiplex/ProDesk/EliteDesk SFFs will disable CPU undervolting which you can use to increase power efficiency. Quite beneficial to a Folding/BOINC farm. But it's not like Throttlestop would run on HexOS..
Was the math on 21:18 wrong or did I misunderstand something? where is the extra $100 coming from? $69 for the pc and $199 for HexOS. In my mind that's $268. If I'm wrong can someone please explain? Thank you
@@Retromags_Brianand it’s on extra $100 discount while in beta - looks nice but seems a bit expensive for a beta release that’s just a nice gui on truenas… but I wish them well
@@coffiloverIt's not remotely complicated unless they try to do complicated things. And most won't even KNOW what those complicated things are without being at least a little technically inclined. TrueNas is simple as all get-out for just getting NAS stuff up and running. Functional defaults mean that it "just works" if you run through the installer blind, and it hand-holds you through the process of setting up ZFS arrays and shares of all kinds. It just has lots of functionality AVAILABLE that you don't HAVE to know how to use if you don't want to. At a $0 cost.
He knows. There's no way he'd have used Unraid as long as he did and never set up users.. He's just lying to hype up his investment. I lost a TON of respect for LTT over this.
I remember having to learn how to set user permissions in Linux so Plex would have access to files. Took me a whole weekend to figure it out. I know that struggle 14:56
It has as it has a lifetime one time payment than it's all good. If you want you can pay once or pay less each month / year. They are givving you both options
Good idea. $300 killed it for me though. I am also not gonna throw $100 at some early access project - a lesson I have learned lots of times before. Using your so called $69 pc does not make any sense at all when the software you are using in itself costs $300. This both misses the home and enterprise market entirely.
This make sense to a lot of people just not you. I'm not a software person so I don't want to mess around with unraid/truenas so this is a great solution for people like me.
The Buddy Backup feature would be so amazing!! I don't currently have a NAS but my plan is when one day I make one I'll do it with a friend at the same time & we would have encrypted off site backups of each others data for redundancy. I never really considered how I would do it though lol. I was thinking maybe Syncthing & Cryptomater or some weird solution like that. Though having an easy buddy backup feature would be great!
$299? You might as well just go the extra mile and go Synology. I was gonna say that this is the halfway between the convenience of Synology and the power of TrueNAS. But $299? Jeez.
But if your Synology breaks or you need more bays, you are spending more to buy a new machine. That's my current situation with my QNAP server. If I want to expand it I need to spend over $200 for a DAS or more for a new NAS.
@Freestyle80 SHR-1/Raid 5 doesn't work like that. You can get 28TB Drives for a max of 84TB. But I still have to ask. Why would anyone buy a $500 NAS and put $3000 of Drives in it knowing they need almost 100TB?
FORGET what i said THIS IS NUTS 299 per server is a RIPOFF 99 would be a fair price but this is a barebones BETA so paying it upfront is a huge gamble for 299 you better get at least a two server license you got me excited until you asked that kinda money we are not all living in mansions with 115 inch tvs Linus you lost the plot
just two days ago I was talking about "buddy backup" but concluded that this would perhaps never happen... and it's almost here already??? I love this video, it gives me so much hope on the future...
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"If you're anything like me-"
I'm sorry Linus but I don't think there's a single other person like you on the planet
There's only one Linus
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Not True, I swear he has my house bugged. I wanted to heat my pool with solar panels and also cool the panels with the pool. And he also got the server water cooler that is sitting in my garage to use for heating and cooling. So many of my projects and future projects, end up being LTT videos. Next he is going to do his own home battery backup.
Torvalds: bruh
there's also linus torvalds
Linus
Pay monthly: ❌
Invest $250k: ✅
😂 Got to love the entrepreneurial spirit-it's risk taking leaders like Linus (and Yvonne, too, to be fair...) that makes life easier, indeed better, for the rest of us.
At least he puts his money where his mouth is instead of criticizing subscriptions and then paying 18 $10 subscriptions
@@jamesarthurreed yeah
Invest $250k into a skin for (free) truenas, that costs money and reduces possibilties: ✅
@@jamesarthurreed Lots of us would do that though, if we could afford to 😅
Amazing how HexOS literally is the Cities: Skylines 2 game logo but with 2 instead of 4 pieces.
That’s honestly what I thought it was going to be at first haha.
I literally thought he invested in paradox games for a second
Hopefully it has a better launch...
I thought it was a CS2 video lmao
I mean, CS2 didnt invent segmented hexagons
Might want to add a note to this. I bought the product with the assumption (i know) that I'd be able to download it and start playing around with it, however that's not the case. You pay $99 for the OPERTUNITY to be invited to beta access. Right now, they're processing invites from order numbers in the 2,000's. My order is in the 30,000's. By the time I do get an invite I'll probably have moved to something else.
Correction, 4,261 invites have been sent out for more than 33,000 purchases.
Thank you!
That is very important to know!
What else is there for simple to set up NAS software?
wow, it's even worse than it looks from this video. SUPER scummy to leave that little detail out.
Are we sure it isn't just that it takes time for them to process all the beta orders? I heard something about this, but it seemed more benign 🤷
What HexOS really needs is a super simple way to setup backups. And by that I mean that you don't even have to need a buddy. I like the principle of buddy backup - perhaps they can host a buddy backup target as a service for rent? Either on their own infrastructure or in cooperation with someone like Backblaze, Hetzner or AWS. A super simple offsite backup solution where you rent as much storage as you need and never have to think about it again would be very helpful.
Their website mentions that the lifetime license doesn't grant cloud backup, so likely that means cloud storage will be a subscription service they plan to offer later.
THIS! I currently have rsync pointing to Backblaze, but there is NO good backup software that runs in docker and has an easy to use web ui. The only web uis out there are fairly in depth and require a decent amount of googling and understanding of compression algorithms, encryption methods, and target options. If HexOS built that natively, I’d be over the moon!
Or how about putting in some storage on your machine in exchange for the same amount of storage on some other random machine(s). Like peer to peer backup
Or the possibility to be your own "buddy", setting up another unit at like your parents house or something.
But wait wouldn't that just be similar to google photos? You're suggesting to store photos offsite on some other infrastructure that you don't know about
A small pro tip Linus: Do not show people how to change the boot order, save and reboot. This often leads to confusion. It might sound trivial and it is, but from thousands of clients I noticed, that their are soooo many people wo get stuck changing boot orders agaib for hours. Just use boot override in the Bios or if not available the Boot manager. This works on most devices and with luck the boot order no longer needs to be adjusted for a working system again after installation. Believe me, I suffered so much due to clients not grasping this and getting stuck for hours.
This is a good point. Will try to remember. -LS
@@LinusTechTips i'll give you another tech tip! you should make (any of you) a test video for casaos, that does the same thing but free and same ease of use, but can run anywhere - expecially on rpi3-4-5
I thought this many times, but never really felt the need to point it out. Boot override is so much more convenient than modifying the boot order.
I feel like modifying the boot order also may lead to issues down the road. Imagine you plug that same USB back in and it tries to reinstall the entire OS.
I noticed that too. It's unnecessary these days with the one-time boot options menu present on most systems, in this case F12 for Dell.
Anything that breaks down the ui/ux barriers of self serve solutions is worth a look to me.
thanks and no thanks, i still go Synology
Yeah same
@@CharlesLijt i use a synology nas. I’ve been using for some months now and don’t get me wrong, the setup wasn’t THAT hard but it still required a lot of time (around 3 days to fully setup something functional) and A LOT of patience and after all this time I have files that aren’t always up to date (the main reason I bought a NAS is to have synced files at all time) and the connection outside the LAN is PAINFULLY slow, I would say unusable. Sharing files with friends is impossible as they download at a few kb/s and even on Wi-Fi I still get only 5MB/s. There are ways to improve it manually? Sure. Is it easy? For someone like me and his first try, hell no.
@@CharlesLijtyou're not the target audience
If i learned anything on LTT at all, it is not to buy "products" on future promises. Never pre-order. And the price is... a no. You are too close to this to see it i guess.
Didn't they just demo usability for all the core features?
@@justinchey2281 They demoed a slightly different-looking UI for a bunch of shit truenas already does. Run through cloud servers, for some fucking reason.
@@justinchey2281 No drive SMART testing, nor scheduling for a system that appears to be based on TrueNAS Scale is pretty shocking to be demoing considering TrueNAS Scale has all these features, and at HexOS is just a UI reskin, with CasaOS (free docker wrapper)- like one click app deployment.
I'm sure it will get better, but for a paid software, it isn't great right now.
its already has basically every function you need for a basic NAS. It's not pre-ordering, it's an alpha. Big difference.
I half agree with this and am trying to figure out if i buy it it not.
I love the idea, and the future of it. I’m certain that I will want this product if it gets the updates that are promised, i just don’t have much use for it right now. But there’s the problem.
A) buy now for $99 and enjoy it in a few years when its fully featured.
B) buy it in a few years when its fully featured, but now its $299.
With A, there’s a chance I’ll lose $99 if the promised updates are not delivered.
With B there’s a chance I’ll have to spend $199 more, just because I didn’t trust them and waited.
I really don’t know what the best idea is. Do I trust them to make on their promises or not?
I trusted framework, and so far, that’s worked well for me.
Never pre order, never buy a product based on the promise of future upgrades. Works well for me.
Has UA-cam REDUCED their payouts recently? What's with all these 'big guys' suddenly making all these desperate 'cash grabs'? Like MKBHD with the subscription wallpaper, and SHAMELESS Sponsorship videos. And now Linus pushing overpriced & unfinished software?
100%
Especially for that price, and with a future subscription as well
Yeah but its pretty usable right now and will triple in price in the future so seems worth the risk if you are in the market
@@masterman1502 the subscription is for the non lifetime access people so you don't need to pay $300 upfront in the future. Pay $99 now, never pay again
And that's why we cannot have good things, when we found them, we don't fund them
From the thumbnail, I thought Linus was about to announce his investment in Cities: Skylines II, which would be a very poor investment.
HAHAHAHAHAA I THOUGH THAT TOO
CS 2 would be a way better investment than this stinky unfinished overpriced truenas skin
The idea is good, but considering it's based on free TrueNAS and has strong competition from UnRAID, the non-sale pricing is simply too high. $49 lifetime should be the BF price, $75 the non-BF beta price and $99 the stable price. Buddy backup sounds great until you realise your buddy will eventually have to cough up $299 (or a monthly sub that could be $10-$15 or so) to use it.
When they buy a PC for $69 and the cheapest price for HexOS is $99 (and that's only for a few days, after which it doubles), then it's extremely clear the pricing is a major problem. It also doesn't sell well when the beta is missing enough features (especially being entirely local - HexOS relying on the cloud now and only promising cloudless operation later is frankly ridiculous) that it feels more alpha than beta to me.
it sounds like HexOS devs knew LTT was going to make a video and they were going to make bank at that $99 price point. And that they needed money.
@@casedistorted I think that is the most accurate take. I recognize that bit of gullibility of Linus in myself; getting excited over things without considering other's intentions. He runs an honest business, but I can imagine someone else figuring this out, indeed.
I would have bought it at $99, instantly. I have zero experience with this stuff, and so does most of his audience. Anyone who's been watching the WAN show, and is interested in doing simple self-hosting, has been primed to pay attention. $99 now, or $299 the next time I pay attention and want to do something like this, is a good value proposition.
i think many peop[le that have no skill in data stuff paying about 600$ all in with about 8-16TB of space
is great
i just got it and i would not be getting it if i knew how to set up myself
They literally said this isn't in beta yet. The UI is currently just the UI right now. You can either spend the money for a simple solution to a complex system or spend the time learning the complexity of a system. The point of Hexos is having the option which isn't available right now except for Synology, Qnaps or the other inferior locked down operating systems that costs you way more than $300 with hardware you can't even upgrade.
@@jackiebiskan4748 single 8TB HDD costing £200
512gb m.2 nvme costing £50
machine used in the video £100 say
you're way off with $600...
Ubuntu has a gui, granted its not truenas or whatever. but you can still host plex/jellyfin using dockstarter with minimal fuss and setup.
The website has like close to 0 information on the features, support and what it does. But what I do get is that it that HexOS apparently is one of the first to fly under the "powered by TrueNAS" flag. So ultimately HexOS is a UI for TrueNAS - which the home user gets for free and isn't charged 199USD per server in the beta / early access phases (and alter apparently 299USD per server).
Throughout the video, I was hoping there would be something like a "Community Edition" with maybe some limited functionality that we could at least try for free and decide if it's really worth it or nah.
The $300 price tag is a really tough sell, and with the FOMO like "$99 black friday deal only today!" sure leaves some bad taste in my mouth.
Absolutely they're trying to show investors or something that there's interest through FOMO. 'well 25,000 people bought it on black Friday for $100 so I bet 50k people will buy it for 300!'
Exactly.
Offering a discounted early price is a totally reasonable practice - threatening to triple the price is extremely obnoxious.
They would be 100x better off to NOT talking about future price increases. Now if they DON'T increase the price the early adopters will get angry.
I 100% agree. I'm an advanced home labber, and while this is interesting I wouldn't say replace unraid or truenas with it without getting some hands on. And I'm not paying $99 for EA software I can't even test before committing.
@@tootoneI run a headless Linux server for my Jellyfin etc. and this honestly looks just slightly less confusing and you get zero knowledge gain
It already has limited functionality as it's in beta
yeah i don't know.
"don't pay for promises" but if you do it, it's fine? this fomo pricing also stings, from 100 to 200 and then even to 300 whenever the 1.0 release happens...
personally, i would be actually interested in this when it's in an installable state (at least 1.0), at the same time, if i am not buying this license now at 100, i for sure wont buy it at 200 or 300.
i understand things cost money, don't get me wrong, still doesn't change how i feel about this.
I feel like people are being a little overly critical about certain things, but I 100% agree that the don't pay for future promises, but doing it for us is okay hypocrisy is crazy
@@pandavova I mean, they openly talk about future updates, and you actually pay less until it released. I'm kinda into idea "hey, it's not finished, but we already need money, support us if you want, we will increase price when it has more features". Rabbit r1 would win with this approach (not talking about, that some point out that it's actually a scam).
Discount feels like a fair trade, if you have value for current variation.
Buying full price into triple AAA game on release and they still didn't delivere, so you wait/
Buying into indie beta game that Is still in development And will release with another price
@@PavelSustov " they openly talk about future updates"
lol
Future updates are future updates, they're a promise at most, you can't put this any other way.
The problem is that you can either save the time and effort or the money. You can't do both.
This product targets a very nieche audience, the ones who decided to host their own storage. For like $50, this would be no brainer to buy and save some time.
But for $300? Nah.
For cheap DIY storage solution, this is expensive.
For professional use, it's unjustified (because in a professional scenario there is more than likely people with sufficient knowledge to configure TrueNAS).
@@aflac82 I also have to say I don't quite understand what the advantage to TrueNAS is supposed to be. I haven't done it yet, but from a few videos I've watched configuring TrueNAS seems pretty simple. Slightly less intuitive than HexOS, but what are video tutorials and Google for?
Linus doesn't really say what the problems are supposed to be. Does anybody here know?
@@aflac82 hey, I'm not talking about price and all of that, if you don't see value, you don't need no big questions. I'm talking about "don't invest in promises". Read the original comment before commenting, I don't know...
Idk. $300 for a TrueNAS UI seems steep. And that's coming from someone who paid $699 for a Roon lifetime license. I get that in the backend there's ongoing cost for hosting the UI endpoints and enabling the Cloudflare tunnel like connections to my NAS, if the thing isn't exposed to the internet and allowing for direct connections. But that only makes me question the business model of a one-time fee even more.
Also wondering, who is the target audience here? The person that wants the ease of use of a Synology but also likes to tinker and upgrade their own hardware, yet doesn't want to go deep enough to maintain a TrueNAS or standalone Linux server themselves? And the "there's no vendor lock in" pitch is "if the company goes belly up, you can just maintain the underlying TrueNAS yourself". Like what? Then why wouldn't I do that from the start?
to be honest it IS pretty steep. I bet a few people would rather learn how to use TrueNAS rather than spend $300 later. $99 now is reasonable, but if the price is $200 for the next year, and then $300 afterwards forever, that is pricey ash eck.
@@casedistorted >$99 is reasonable
I strongly have to disagree. For a fully polished product like unraid, yes. But for what it is right now, it's harder to use than truenas, especially given the lack of VM and app support. Having the audacity to make this Early access build $99 is just greedy and won't give them user feedback. I certainly would have tried it, if they made an open beta for a few months, and ask for cash only on the final release. But for a potential $300 it better provide more features than a similarly priced Synology Nas. Especially with showing a $69 PC
@@casedistorted idk if 99$ for a alpha is reasoneble.
The price feels steep to me as well. (like black-friday price is kinda tempting, but definitely wont be buying it after that discount, too expensive!)
But to your question of "who it is for?"
I think someone who might be tech inclined to build a setup but wants easy and consistent maintenance. Like if i set this up at my grandparent's I can just set it and forget it basically, with the occasional updates maybe? (i assume they will try to minimize breaking updates/changes in the future or at least the promise seems to be one click updates to everything)
Basically you are paying for the convenience since the maker-space seems to assume that you will always/forever remain up-to-date with the technical know-how.
Best thing I hope this does is to push forward other app/software into building for non-tech public while preserving the options for pros, which it seems to be doing/trying!
Most Exciting Feature (for me) : Buddy Backup!
I think the 300$ are relatively reasonable, give or take 50$. I see who this is for, because it is for me. I am okayish with hardware. I built my own NAS becaues I get a way better deal on the hardware and I need it (backing up a dozen PCs and smartphones as well as a respectable media library). But I have absolutely no interest whatsoever to dive into TrueNAS and keep tinkering there to improve my setup, maintain it and risk breaking something.
Hardware is a somewhat oneoff effort (i know it is not, but hardware fails infrequently enough to be considered one off). Software maintenance is a huge pain in the back and a constant effort. I spent a fulltime week dealing with software and its pains, plus a sidehustle. I want the hardware and software I rely on the be as dumbed down as possible for me to not break anything. If 300$ is the price to pay for a lifetime license of somebody taking care to make the maintenance as stupidly simple as it can be, I am going to happily pay it.
If you're building a NAS because you want to save every cent you can, going with free nas is a sensible strategy.
This is literally amazing. I have spent so many hours as a layman trying to figure out users and permissions in truenas scale. I can’t wait for this to be fully fledged
$299 for a license is insane for this, I was totally behind this until that price point. Seems like a good "for my mom" setup, but at that price point I'll just copy my proxmox config to a new box and eat the time that takes me to setup.
You're not the target consumer and that's okay. At $100 for early access that's a price point many people are willing to jump on and honestly for someone like a tech illiterate "mom" a $300 up front fee is nothing. The number of McAfee sales for $500 for lifetime "antivirus" protection would make you cry and for many tech illiterate consumers $300 for something that future state will be plug and use isn't crazy to them.
I wouldn't. This is set and forget stuff
Yeah. This would be fine if it was 50 bucks or something. But this is just too huge. They could always up the price later, but I think this defeats the point of being for casuals to manage their servers. Not to mention they could still sell services around this. By having their own backup location, managing domains and buying them through hexos, bundling various other subscriptions into one price, etc. I get it, it has cost a lot of money but surely this must be a long term project that will fund itself the more people get it running. And for what it has now, is mostly promises and a neat hello world demo. Even for 99 bucks I expected more to be already included, seeing that its basically a nice UI platform on top of TrueNas
Yeah...
I'm generally not sure about NAS tho, if the point is to not having to subscribe to everything to "not pay forever" just to e.g. share movies or pictures with your household then I don't exactly see the reason to not just buy DVDs/BLu-Ray or send the pictures over to them to... you know? Not pay forever in electricity to run a extra device - price for the license aside. Half the movies you'd put on there are regularly on sale for like 4€ -7€ either way, so even if you want to ensure that everyone can view them at the same time on multiple devices without burning them onto another disc it's still cheaper on the long run to just grab multiple discs on sale - and if you want to watch 5000 movies then I'm not sure if just having subscriptions that you actually cancel isn't... well, cheaper.
@@organicsaturn4813 Synology NAS software really isnt that hard to operate and you get a better NAS for that money
Linus: “You can stand against monthly subscriptions”
Sponsor: “Hello. $25,99/m”
I've had the (dis)pleasure of using Odoo before on some contract work and holllllllly shit is it bad. It feels like bad, cheap, slow, feature-less web-based office software because it is. Their market is basically small, 'barely computer literate' organizations with users that operate primarily on phones.
NZXT: “Hello. $1xx,99/m”
Also very funny to add "sponsor" on this particular video when he's basically promoting a brand. Its very shady, confusing and not consumer friendly if u ask me
@@gonderAmh What? Isn't it clear enough in the title for you to have the balls to call it shady? Anyhow, he isn't making money of you buying into early access... the project is already successful. Unironically, he is letting you know you can ride the wagon now for cheaper.
@@gonderAmh he is a part owner of the brand as an angel investor. he is promoting himself essentially, not the same thing as taking a sponsor. he IS the sponsor.
As someone who has been struggling with truenas for years, I am so happy someone is at least trying to improve things for basic bitches like me
You should look into unraid as well. It's a bit more complex than this, but also waay easier than truenas.
Every time I think that I have finally gotten my truenas server to be stable, it just stops working for no reason at all and I have to fix it again
@calebmenker988 amen to this, Permissions still kinda fk me up. I'm glad I got nginx for a reverse proxy and jellyseer with radarr and sonarr linked with qbit and a vpn on the qbit downloads. Working pretty well so far and so happy.
fake comment, synology..
TrueNAS scale is actually simpler to use. If you're struggling with Core, try switching to Scale. See if that helps.
Looking at their website, the pricing is just way out of the budget of most home users when others are free.
cloud-only now… don’t purchase a promise of future features
@@ytguy00 blah blah
Linus spoke about this on WAN this weekend. There will be a local version. You're not wrong on buying promises though .
I think a really cool way to have the subscription would be that once you've spent a total of like $400 in the subscription you get a lifetime license. But you can still cancel any time.
That's how it should be
I don’t think anyone should be able to get to that with a monthly fee as the payments shouldn’t reasonably be more than $2-3/month.
Like what are they giving us? A JavaScript frontend that delegates to a BFF on device? The service is just a website with dynamic DNS?
@@Gren4te people will pay whatever it is worth. Technical details they don’t care about
@Gren4te so make it for 2-3 bucks a month. These guys won't stand a chance....
@@Gren4te I pay like 30 dollars a year for dynamic dns because my parents don't have a static IP address. It's worth it...
New drinking game: take a shot every time they say "it's coming in the future" or "Eventually you'll be able to..." or "will be updated to include.."
😂😂😂😂
It is beta..
@@ringtyler i read 'you will be able to...' at yhe exact moment Linus said it hahaha
And that’s why you should only buy it when it has all the features you want and not sooner
@@ru2225 nahh its a preorder "Users will receive early access to the HexOS Beta in stages, beginning on 11/29/2024.
Invites will continue in waves to test infrastructure stability and scalability." i pay and i might get invited soonTM.. i reconsider its even worse than preorder.
11:45 Random employee: I'm just gonna come through here...
Oh shirt, they're filming. I'm gonna back out slowly...
I've always put off building a NAS server for me and my family because of how daunting it always looked and I don't necessarily have the time to learn everything related to that. Seeing how simple HexOS seems to be, I might actually give this a shot once they got a more stable release. Definitely am gonna keep my eyes on that!
fake comment, synology...
IMO it’s worth buying now for cheaper and then waiting till it’s better
@tsirakura1684 That's what they want everyone to think. Ain't no way the price will be anywhere near $300 on release, they'll drop it to $100-$200 and will market themselves as "the good guys"
If you wanna build a Nas urself, unraid ist Not worse, and it's not a beta
I recently setup a old desktop server with CasaOS, works great!
So what does this do that Unraid doesn't? The permission thing is just as easy on Unraid, they're both based on Linux, both have Docker and VM support built-in, both support ZFS (which I would consider less optimal for most home users when compared to Unraid's storage implementation), both have cloud management features, Unraid supports Tailscale which does pretty much exactly what HexOS plans to do with Cloudflare - so what's the USP here? This isn't meant to be a dig or anything, the video simply didn't tell me. Is it really just a simpler, more minimalist UI and the buddy backup thing that more technically inclined users can easily do with Borg on Unraid or any random Linux server?
More easy and eye-candy gui, thats all it seems as far as I can see
I'm no expert but I much prefer unraid's implementation. I wouldn't have a 96tb server if I couldn't build it up, one 12tb drive at a time
@@39zack Okay, but for $300 who is the target audience?
And it's also missing unraids biggest feature. Just slap any random assortment of drives in it (even ones that already have data) and it'll just work. The simplicity with drive selection is a massive point in unraids favor IMO
Asking that, means you didn't bother paying attention to the video. You aren't the target customer. Clearly. The fact that you asked the question, means it's not meant to cater to you. But. Paying attention and actually listening is hard. Isn't it?
Kinda seems like this video should have been done next year when more features were actually in the build. 🤔
they ran out of money now, though ... lol
Need that funding
Couldn’t agree more. I am squarely in the target demo for this, but having begrudgingly rolled my own Homelab setup, without things like point and click reverse proxy setup, or more than two apps in the ecosystem, I can’t justify even the $99.
This. I hate the idea that people are willing to release unfinished software. It might be great when it's done, but it isn't done yet.
@@Alpha8713they haven’t released it yet? It’s a beta release…?? Tf
> don’t you hate not owning your stuff?
> hey guys buy a subscription
I wanted this Nas software, but 300$ ? Windows is 139$ officially. If we are budget friendly, how does the os costs the same as the hardware? Don't get me wrong I love the idea and I don't have experience with NAS software, but this seems a bit much
For lifetime access! You can pay monthly if you want...
@@Rocketboy92 there is Nas Software that is free
@@Rocketboy92 That's even worse. Subscriptions are really hard to justify for most avrage people
Lifetime access. If you're "budget friendly" then pay the subscription while you save for lifetime. No one using this product will keep the same hardware for a decade, you're going to upgrade eventually, budget the software in. Don't want to pay? Stick with TrueNas or any of the other free software. Think it's too expensive? Replicate it's functionality and charge us what you think is acceptable.
Isn’t it still $99 for lifetime access right now?
The truth for me right now is this:
$99 now: No, I've learnt the hard way not to purchase something based on a promise that it will be great later.
$200 / $300 later: No, that price doesn't appeal. If I was starting from scratch I think it's more likely I'd try my money with something like Unraid first and see if I could figure it out. (disclaimer: I did that vs buying a Synology)
That aside, I find this product promise a little perplexing as to who it's really meant to be marketed at.
It’s marketed at people like me. This interface is perfect for someone like me who wants the idea of owning their own data but is too overwhelmed and not techy enough to do anything complex. Currently I’m a college student but when I am a researcher working on my projects I could see this being so so helpful.
Yeah I was excited until I saw the price since I don't buy things in early access on the promise of what else might come. I feel like there is a fairly limited market of people willing to build their own systems but unwilling to treat this as something like a hobby. I like how this isn't limited to Synology hardware but for the price of the software I feel like most people would just hop on board a Synology NAS instead. I for one just want ECC memory to become more standard and I'd even consider buying a Synology NAS instead of looking into making a whole Proxmox cluster and maybe trying out Ceph instead of ZFS just as a project to give myself.
I agree that the current plan for pricing is probably too high but there is a target market: tech enthusiasts who love tinkering with hardware/software but NOT networking and security. My take is that most of that sentiment comes from the former being about making fun things work (net positive) while the latter is about preventing unfun things from happening (no effect, depending on your perspective).
@@EkiTojiyou "feel" doesn't matter. I'm the same as the OP here. looks like a great product for me down the line at full release for sure. the price tag isn't bad for lifetime at all, i'm fine putting hardware together but i struggle with software. Building and maintaining a NAS is not a hobby for me, it's a fucking chore lol so the simpler the software side of things is the better. The end of your post is a foreign language to me and MANY others.
@@TroublesomeOwl Sometimes i wonder if these people do something like, buying a TV
$299 is too close to a synology which comes with hardware and phone support.
Yeah. Maybe if you are going for a pro who wants to build a NAS with 10 drives. But at that point, wouldn't that person just use TrueNAS?
And once you want to upgrade your Synology NAS, you'll have to pay full price for new hardware...
With software, you're in control of the hardware and you can upgrade according to your changing needs.
Maybe you don't have changing needs? Well they have that covered, if you go too long without buying a new NAS, its software support will be EOL and you'll stop receiving updates, at which point you might be exposing yourself to security risks.
People who like owning their hardware will prefer paying for the software or will learn to use the free software.
@@Doogle7821it's going to be $199 in 2 days. It seems neat but I wouldn't pay 3 times the price of the hardware for its os.
@@IceYetiWins That's effectively what synology already do (that $69 computer is way more powerful than a DS223, and much more expandable)... FYI I happily own a synology NAS.
@ that’s what I’m saying. If you’re already techie enough to built it ur techie enough to figure out truenas. For my non techie friends I recommend Synology
Homebrew NAS and "easy" seem like targetting the wrong audience - who would be building a NAS that isn't already tech-minded? Synology would be a better option for non-techies, and their software is excellent and user friendly.
I don’t agree. I think you’re in a bubble if you don’t think there are plenty of people who are technically capable but don’t want to spend their week fiddling around to get storage working
Linus, if you haven’t done so already, please consider adding a contractual agreement to keep a reasonable lifetime price tier available in perpetuity. Even if that means you would have to participate in their next round.
You probably know better than most how startups are driven and how easy it is for them to become legally obligated to best serve their investors instead of their original mission. Including driving towards extremely high growth rates that enable over 10x ROI for investors within a few years. Especially once they bring in financial investors, they will be looking towards IPO or Acquisition within less than 5 years and they will want the company to grow fast enough to do so.
That brings in the high risk that they will move away entirely from the single pricing option to a subscription only model. It might happen purely because investors want it, all while the company is growing steadily and profitably already. In short, this change might happen unjustifiably, and unexpectedly.
Thanks for supporting these projects and sustainable consumer friendly business models.
Highly disagree, if anything, make them write into their highest legally-binding-can't-be-retractdd founding/corporate documents that they cannot LOOPHOLE out of the lifetime payers for all the basic premises.
Bro, I thought Linus had invested in Cities Skylines 2!
I've been burnt by too many bad city building games, and am afraid to buy any new ones. Urban planning is just too complex of a field to realisticly make a game out of.
They might wanna brainstorm more on the logo... while it's this early
Would' ve been fire
Same lol
Linus, I found a few things unclear, and the website was no help. Perhaps this information can be added somewhere?
Firstly, how does "lifetime for one machine" work? Do I have a key that is crosschecked to a server? What if I lose that key? Can I switch machines in the future?
Secondly, what IS the OS? Your video shows a windows dashboard for OBS recording... that WILL confuse people. It's not Windows, it's not Linux, so what is it? The answer is Unix but a lot of the target audience won't understand that it may not have the featureset they are used to an OS providing. That needs to be clarified, when I first saw this I thought "oh hey, I can use this to host my minecraft server that I currently have on my Linux machine!". And I don't think I can? (Not until VMs anyway, but I'm unsure the logistics of that).
Third, will RISC-V and ARM support be on the future roadmap?
Fourth, will I be able to see the file contents of my buddy backup? As a more personal usecase, will I be able to do a synchronized group, where two buddies have a folder of matching data so when one adds a new ISO to their nested folder structure it syncs that update?
Finally, how flexible is storage use? Can I use different sized storage mediums? Can I use a 14 and an 18 and have 14 mirrored or RAID0 and the other 4 as normal storage? Currently, in the website FAQ, it just has an asterisk following "use SIMILAR drives*" but no elaboration for that asterisk
I'm on the fence, if I had answers to these questions they would have had my money. But as it stands, I think the documentation is quite sparse. That said, I might buy it anyway because it looks sick.
For the second question: The OS is based on TrueNAS, which is based on FreeBSD. However the admin interface is accessible through a web browser (I believe)
This is pretty much TrueNAS Scale with a very simplified front end, so it is Linux based. You would be able to run a minecraft server now, but that would involve running this in a hypervisor, or jumping into the TrueNAS side of it and configuring it that way.
Right now hardware support is limited to x86, and I'm personally not sure about plans for ARM and RISC-V support.
For the final point, it uses ZFS so you should be able to use whatever drives you want, as long as you keep similar capacity drives in each vdev. They only showed the 2 drives, so I'm not sure what it looks like, but I imagine that expand button that Linus clicked is for creating another vdev.
@@Max_G4 TrueNAS has moved away from FreeBSD - they currently still maintain TrueNAS Core (the BSD version) but basically all forward progress is on TrueNAS Scale (itself based on Debian Linux). So this is built on TrueNAS which itself is built on Debian.
It’s absolutely not unix, it’s based off of the linux version of freenas. Even the freebsd version of freenas isn’t unix, freebsd isn’t unix and even BSD wasn’t unix when it was still under development. Get a grip.
@@Max_G4 That is way wrong. FreeNAS and TrueNAS Core were based on FreeBSD. TrueNAS SCALE (which is the one featured in the video) is based on Debian (Linux).
love to see it! exactly the kind of stuff im looking for. no subscription, pay once for an easy install.
Intro: hating on monthly subscriptions.❌
Sponsor: monthy subsription✅
But as Linus stated in the video you have the option for buying a life time license and not having the only option being a monthly payment like other services are.
@@dylanbertwell For how long though lol. I bought a lifetime license which ended being null after changing hands a few years later.
@@balsalmalberto8086 from my understanding, its lifetime of the product, unless stated otherwise in the contract, even if another company bought hexos, it would still be valid, if new ownership tries to cancel your lifetime license, they can be sued for breach of contract.
@@dylanbertwell
Software as a service is a SCAM.
$100 for an unfinished alpha product is absurd.
@@balsalmalberto8086 Your talking about million dollars companies which probably have investors. And even if not lol, you got that "trust me bro garantee" that linus will drop support and expose them if they pull such a move. And even then just switch to truenas for free, there not going to hold you files hostage.
But you know, theres might be more convinience in paying to not own anything and not wanting to invest time for yourself and the things you wish to not disapear lol.
In the spirit of ease of use, they should add Tailscale as well so that you don't need to mess with VPN configs.
Or perhaps their own Wireguard implementation, which cuts out Tailscale entirely while making the end product still super simple on the surface.
that would be awesome!
Have you seen whole video guys?
I think not @@robertrudik3022
@@robertrudik3022 Yes, they mention WireGuard which on its own requires a fair bit of setup and their own subscription-based one. Tailscale is easier to configure than Wireguard and is free for most features.
I gotta say: Unraid wasn't that big of an issue to set up as well. It was as easy as HexOS is promising to be.
I'm not sure what the problem with TrueNAS scale is supposed to be. It looks a bit more technical, sure but nothing totally unreasonable.
They don't really say, which makes the supposed advantage of this product unclear.
@@4203105 it differs a bit from unraid since unraid you can just swap and add drives willy nilly as you feel like it. Thats a huge appeal for homelab users who have random drives lying around
@@4203105 except they did... a perfect example when it came to ACLs and permissions was brought up. Not everyone want to have to learn all of those things and yet still may have a want or need for a NAS setup. That is the point of this product. It likely isn't for you or most of the viewers here but you all need to understand that the startup is a business looking to make money and Linus is an investor in that business and is also looking to make money. In other words whether the product makes sense for this particular audience or not he is going to make a video on it because despite how casually he talks about the $250,000 he certainly isn't in the business of intentionally losing it lol
@@DomikGPC my thoughts as well, been running unraid for few years. Using the community apps store most apps are also a near 1-click install. And aside from that, there’s also stuff like CasaOS, Yunohost, Cosmos server. Those are all free and I would say on a similar user level experience.
@@4203105 you're not the target audience, simple as that. If TrueNAS was fine for you, you obviously don't need hexOS. Is it really that difficult to understand?
This is perfect timing! About to decommission my old pfsense box for a new network solution, so I'll have a small server open to test this out on!
Have been waiting on this forever now, I'm all unraid and would love a new setup :)
I get the vision, but what makes this worth $300 more than UmbrelOS? Realistically all this has over it is a RAID setup wizard and buddy backup. UmbrelOS is already pretty mature
And that's already a lot! Not to mention very intuitive and simple settings for people who are not very technical. Having such a simple setup wizard is a difference between a user making their own NAS, or getting intimidated and just buying a google cloud
I think the ability to drop into true nas is pretty compelling. But maybe that isn’t something the target audience would ever actually do? Idk
I also love that Umbrel OS is so incredibly light. The fact that my home server is a RasPi 5 in my living room, barely noticeable by passersby, is extremely compelling.
But HexOS has some things going for it. Buddy Backup and storage adoption are two major weak points Umbrel OS doesn't have today. I could see them prioritizing those now that competition is beginning to get serious, though.
@@Eugen1344
Non-technical people do not build home servers...
Man they want to sell you their mini computer so badly I can't even find a download link for the OS. Not sure if I'd trust a company like that with my long term setup.
Linus be joining Shark Tank at this point lmao
Well at this point what else is he to do with his funds. I mean he already has a sick "home" studio as well as all the various Studios set up in the Main HQ, Labs, Warehouse. The only thing he hasn't really done is build a house from the ground up, and seeing the real estate market of where they are located, I don't think that option is viable.
okay but lowkey a Tech YT style Shark Tank, even if its a bit comedic, would be kinda incredible
@@MirorR3fl3ction he might as well setup a investment LLC if they going that way
Don't they have a Canadian clone of Shark Tank? I could totally see Linus being a "shark" on that show.
@@UltimatebubsYeah Dragon's Den I think
$99 is okay but 299 is too expensive - at that price you can buy a synology NAS or other good options with arguably better software and hardware
$99 is okay for a fully-working product. Not for a barely-functioning demo.
im just glad there's people that gives value to money and personal digital possession, around the world
I don't have a NAS yet so I was looking forward to the HexOS. It sounded really good until they revealed the price. IIRC a while back Linus ranted on a WAN show about games in early access on Steam being ridiculously priced, yet $99 for a beta OS with promises is ok?
As others mentioned, people don't want to spend $199 for a Windows license, but $299 for a front-end of a free software? What am I missing?
Once I build my NAS, I'll rather pay myself for the time and try my luck with TrueNAS and countless guides.
supposedly, its enough of a difference over TrueNAS that ixSystems (owners of TrueNAS) have also invested in HexOS.
I think a lot of people are starting to see through linuses shit?
Like… his attitude about it being a subscription is so disingenuous. Or at very least 200 dollars for… an app that may never finish?
Yeah, the price point seems to be a bit of a miss. This software is geared towards home users, but is priced like a business software. Most home users are just not willing and/or able to pay that much for software.
@ before software as a service, or free software being paid for by data collection, it wasn't uncommon to see software licenses that sometimes ballooned up to 400 to 500 USD, and that was for software home users might need at one point. the prevalence of filling stuff up with ads and data collection, plus the move away from lifetime licenses towards a subscription model and cloud services has pushed the expectation for software companies to offer too low prices or rely on subscription models
I love Jake and Linus doing videos together. They can take friendly jabs at each other and yet still be informative and entertaining at the same time.
Did they just become best friends?!
I really dislike the ‘cloud only’ dashboard but as soon as they allow for self hosting you can consider me a customer
I mean 99 or 299(full price) is not that much if you think about all the benefits that will eventually come so Im also invested. But not rn cuz cloud dash.
Might as well buy into it now and wait fir it to come out. Linus did say its something they will be implementing. 99 bucks is pocket change compared to the 299 price tag
Might flip that statement. Why isn’t it local/self hosted?
It is a local nas so shouldn’t it just provide it in the os you already just setup?
Same boat man. Strongly dislike cloud dashboards.
@@henriquerodrigues127 Well yeah, the price is different. But it's also about supporting the good stuff. I don't mind paying for things I believe in, I often donate to freeware projects, support games like Path of Exile or Warframe, donate to Linux distros. Not a huge amount, a couple bucks here or there, but it adds up over the years. That being said, I'll probably get the 199 edition after a couple months. It's worth it
realy cool, and i will take a look into this nuget in the future ;) good to see that the open surce part is still expanding and hold on your data easy is a absolut plus!
I’d love to see a side by side with unraid to compare how much easier the setup of hexOS is.
Unraid can actually be painful if there are any hurdles along the way
Like the software not recognizing a GUID table on the USB...
@@stocky9803 Have you actually run into those issues, or are you regurgitating other internet rumors? Because while it's true that that COULD be a problem, it basically never is.
There's no indication that HexOS would be immune from anything like that either though.
It's really trivial to move an Unraid license to a new USB / GUID, and you can do it a couple times a year without even needing to contact support. If something crazy happens and you need to do it again, outside that window, simply emailing Unraid support will get them to manually allow it, (provided you're not obviously abusing the license).
Use a decent quality USB drive to begin with, and you'll probably never have a problem. A low-profile Samsung 128gb USB drive is MANY times larger than you'll ever need, the low-profile form factor will protect it from potentially being snagged and physically broken while you're faffing around with hardware, and it will last many, many years, without issue. And it they cost like $13 off Amazon. And if/when you ever do burn that one out, you will be able to boot to a new one, and transfer the license to a new thumb drive in literally minutes.
You guys need to stop pretending to live in the infomercial universe, where it's impossible to open a bottle of ketchup without spraying down your entire kitchen and somehow also electrocuting yourself...
Looks good, but I have to wait until the interface runs locally. I don't understand having a local NAS and needing a cloud connection.
Plex does the same thing - local content that you can't access unless you log in first
@@enb3810 Plex got local login, you can lose internet and still have access to your plex share locally.
To be honest even 99 usd feels bit expensive for a new ui for truenas
Than you probably aren’t the target customer
@@F-aber Then nobody will be. Cough up 299$ if you are not tech-savy? Synology is MUCH better for that Pricepoint.
What kind of argument should that even be? Buy it all for "there will be in the future" promises?
Casually dropping the "it costs 100$ now, or 200$ next week" at the very end kind of sucks.
Yea, and whats even worse is it will cost $300 even later! They really screwed us on the "Buy now or pay double in a week" thing at the worst possible time, made it seem a bit greedy on Linuses/HexOS part by trying to get it on the 'we want our xmas bonuses to be big' with the black friday sale and HexOS sale at the same time.
It's a really fair price for what it is.
@@ErnieZee Some people can't see value. These people probably also buy shit on temu that they replace after a few uses and then complain that "they don't make things like they used to".
Telling people they have a week to decide is the exact thing he complains about all the time with other manufacturers and software developers. This kind of manufactured scarcity is a tactic he has called out many many times
Or, like some people have reasonable consumer concerns about this and you are rejecting them out of hand by reducing their argument to the absurd -- which is a fallacy. Reducto ad absurdism. Why do Alice's fans refuse to ever accept even the most modest criticis. Look at the post you're responding to? Consider that some excessive hate? They're pointing out that they don't like the manufactured scarcity element of the marketing -- something linus critiques frequently. Linus has made a career out of critiquing the value proposition out of products. But when people do it against him they "can't see value?"
If this doesn’t address “Day 2” concerns, it’s going to go the way of previous options before it: dead.
Starting is easy, continuing is hard and I don’t see how this actually solves anything hard.
@@JollyGiant19 are you joking? If I can easily install radarr sonarr and qbit torrent, that's a banger for me
Agreed. Keeping this updated with thousands of users with ten thousands of different hardware configurations will be a nightmare. Better set up a 24/7 support hotline soon ;D
Some alternatives to this (prices in USD)
1. Synology DS124 + 4TB Seagate Ironwolf drive: $245
2. Umbrel Home - contains 2TB SSD storage: $419
3. Install CasaOS on any server already running Linux
Is it possible to replace the Synology OS with something like this? That could breathe some new life into older investments, or bypass current or future Synology changes we might not like (codec rugpull, most recently, for example). I might want to pay for that!
@@PJFoley Synology products are very proprietary, so you can’t use software on them other than DSM. It might be wise to consider getting a unit from Asustor if you want to install third-party operating systems. Asustor does not offer single-bay models however.
i went xpenology route. synology software running on a regular pc. Although it runs on previous version of synology, version 6 and not 7. you still get the super easy setup of synology. Can add docker and get anything else you need. just don't upgrade to 7 and your fine. Been running mine for 5 years now.
I want 4-6 drives in my nas for family.
Found the synoligy ds423 for almost 450$ ex tax and the ds1621+ for 900 ex tax.
Then drives for those.
And then fudge around with their proprietary shit and their stupid configs on top of that.
Compared to 300 + my old gaming computer and some drives I come out cheeper and don’t have to fuck around.
And I can add even more drives and nvme if I want to.
The base features for 99 was just what I needed right now and it will be perfect for me even if they never manage to build something more.
@@Infigo96 yah the one thing about synology that im not a fan of is the btrfs. had the system lock on readonly mode once. took days to copy and fix system. otherwise no issues for 5 years. running on old pc running a synology image. Didn't have to buy anything, used an old pc, x6 4TB drives i already had. Since then i picked up a real synology 4 bay to use for backups. paid $100 at a company estate sale ;) i dont think they knew what it was.
I get it. This is for me, and I am excited! I have always wanted to have a home server, but it just seemed like to much of a time sink. I am busy and have far too many other projects to work on. This looks very do-able, and in its current state, it already does everything I would need it to.
I know some tech stuff, but haven't been able to follow along with NAS products/videos that I've seen. This is something i have been able to understand and follow (for the most part).
$300 for a licence you might be able to transfer for dubious ease of set up?
I'd rather pay the Synology tax.
It's not 300 though it's 99
@@bobsemple9341 $99 for a beta, $300 when it's a stable release.
@@bobsemple9341 yeah, now. while it is unfinished.
@@bobsemple9341it was 99 for a day.
It’s 200 for a promise.
300 when the product is ready.
I must admit I expected more than a new UI for Truenas which still lacks features Truenas already have.
The mindblowing thing to do would have been to make setting up dockers easier and more guided while still having full control, for example.
@@mat967 I think that having a front end to TrueNas that takes care of all the nitty gritty stuff, while not making too many changes to how TrueNas functions isn't a bad call.
If HexOS doesn't make it, it means you don't have to start over. Look at what happened with D-Link.
I do understand why it feels underwhelming though.
You realise this requires not just a front end ui right? It requires severe backend code client code to communicate to the ui etc . Everyone who is saying this is just a UI has never done any software engineering before
@@lukebennett3189 that goes without saying, but who cares about anything besides the end user experience?
I feel like people haven’t used electric eel since it came out last month on truenas. When they switched from kubernetes, everything became pretty click to deploy. I don’t know what hexOS is doing other than just setting app share folders to public, which isn’t good as a kid or family member could easily delete a single thing and you could easily miss your snapshot window for restoration.
First of all, it's CLEARLY stated it's still in beta, also it's clearly made for noobs. So I do think it's quite a stretch to suddenly want the advanced features as well.
It’s funny because this is the way it should’ve been 15 years ago, but Facebook and others came in and pushed personal data in the direction it ended up going. I love it!
Will it be possible to install "apps" that are not curated? Like a Minecraft server in a docker container for example?
Yes. The hope is that in the longer term it won’t be necessary but things take time. -LS
If it supports TrueNAS’s own curated apps, then there are already 2 different ones out there
@@LinusTechTipssupporting docker containers and third party app stores will give HexOS an massive library, and advantage over other solutions, at no cost. As long as the user is warned and informed about what they're doing I believe it is fine. This is partly why I champion CasaOS so much, because it's easy to use and keeps you in a curated walled garden by default, but will let you add to it if you really want.
@@LinusTechTips 300USD "The hope is..." and it's taken this long to get a TrueNAS UI to just this stage. Yeah, no.
Way too expensive! 300 dollars!? wtf! ppl dont even wanna pay for windows. that they use all the time. and you want 300 dollars?
And Windows costs like 3 bucks when you get a key online.
Not to mention unraid is cheaper and pretty much just as user friendly.
They aren't targeting people not paying for Windows, they're targeting people that would otherwise just get a Synology or Qnap device.
@@lemster101
Those come with hardware...
@@c6q3a24 That isn't the benefit you think it is. You're not getting good value for money hardware with those systems, but you're going to have to pay the price because it's the only way to get access to the software. The cheapest way to get a NAS with Synology on it is I believe the $200 DS223j which is a 2 bay device with 1GB non-ECC memory, a basic Realtek CPU and a single 1GbE Lan port. No upgrade options.
With this you can get basically whatever hardware you want and upgrade and expand to your heart's content.
You may not need or want any of that, but as a current Synology user I put my money where my mouth is and bought the $99 lifetime license. For me it makes total sense.
Linus is collecting all the best tech startups like infinity stones and I'm here for it. Not having to study Access Control Lists like it's my doctorate is a game changer.
-Thanos- Linus; "Fine, I'll do it myself."
...is it a 250k worth game changer tho?
@avgvstvs996 if anything, his pocket book.
@@avgvstvs996 He is a investor, the product itself costs way less 🤣🤣🤣
@@avgvstvs996if it does the numbers that Plex and jellyfin does? Yes. Also he's not as concerned with making it back as seeing it succeed.
If you want to include many features, and keep it simple at the same time, you should include a small button at the bottom that says: "Advanced", or "More Options", or something like that. I just love it when apps and websites do that.
as somebody with a proxmox cluster at home, i'm probably not in the target audience, but it's still nice to make this space more accessible for others
More options is always nice, but I'll stick to UNRAID. I just love the way it does Docker and the community behind it.
It's a cool idea, but I don't think the price is low enough to justify the risk of being an early adopter. For much less you can get a guaranteed to work Synology box. Sure it's a locked in system, but it's tried and tested.
Or you can spend $50 on unraid
Yeah $100 for the OS is prohibitively expensive, especially since it's going up, and ESPECIALLY since you can't buy a pre-built box at this time.
(I still think the project is awesome though)
@@reed6514Just curious, but why would you want them to sell you a prebuilt box? The whole point is that you can use what ever cheap as dirt machine you can find that will hold your HDDs and then put HexOS on it...Then you can upgrade it or do whatever you want in the future and you will have a lifetime HexOS license that you can move to the newer hardware...
@@brucepreston3927
What % of users ever build a pc?
Selling a complete unit would require huge investment - but it would also massively increase the potential market.
I mean barely if we are going with the 199, not at all if we are going with the current price of 99.
My question is what this is actually providing that you can't get with truenas for free. Granted, I haven't tried it yet, but for home use it seems pretty straight forward.
Interesting! Will be watching closely what the first users have to say about it. Might try it when I'm interested in building a NAS again.
300usd for an TrueNas skin, and people say Unraid is expensive :p
The time it takes to learn truenas is no way worth 300$
I mean unraid has gotten more expensive than it used to be. And I can't say I support having only 1 year of updates unless you pay for another year. I would love it if they had at least 2 years when you first buy it. Then again I have the old ones so it doesn't apply to me
@@bb2ridder757 true, but I still find Unraid a better value.
@@longhappyfrogPeople who don't want to learn probably should just go for QNAP or Synology anyways.
You might as well say truenas is just a skin for CLI
Putting this up for sale before it has a non-cloud dashboard is just silly.
Now as someone from the other side of the world, I get to either pay a greatly discounted price for a super slow dashboard (Have you got servers in Australia? New Zealand? How about Europe? UK? Russia?) or I wait til you DO have servers here and have to pay heaps more.
Oh and there’s no guarantee you’ll add a local dashboard, your consumer protection laws will happily let people claim they’ll add something later and then just not (cough cough Tesla). So again, I pay now and pray or I wait a bit and pay double maybe even triple the price depending when the “feature” comes - Feature being in quotes because it’s absurd to release a product for self hosters that relies on a cloud hosted dashboard, it’s not a feature it’s a basic requirement of the product.
I mean you're welcome to wait till it's released to buy. I think of it more like a kickstarter and if it works out then great for me.
Guess their funding ran out and they need a good cash infusion to get to a final product?
I mean you don't need local servers for something like this. We are still talking the speed of light, so like 0,5 seconds max (considering light travels a bit slower in fiber and times for switching).
Yeah this reeks of needing a cash injection. 19:25 he says he can't fund this forever. Plus if you buy it today you can't even get it until they allow you to have access. No mention of when you can even get it after paying for it. this should've been on kickstarter and probably would have if Linus wasn't involved.
There is a local dashboard, just not in this video. They said it on WAN show which is much more current than this video
$99 for beta testing a TrueNAS UI, $199 to have early access, $299 for a TrueNAS UI that's crazy
@@jnemeth I couldnt agree more. That is a bit steep!
I think you might have misunderstood, you only buy once, but you pick when you want to adopt.
first two are the same just a black Friday deal. However 299 is a bit rough, but unraid I think it was a 249 so... not that far out.
$299 is about 3 times as expensive as the system they used in the video. Definitely not an option if you're on a budget. Based on their site and that it's based on TrueNAS which is free I assumed this would also be free, so it being as pricey as that is a real bummer. Though I do think it can be worth it for some.
@@Iisakki3000actually it's not as insane as it sounds after you price some of the simpler solutions. Plex has become a payment nightmare, but jellyfin isn't quite up to par and Kodi/xbmc can get pretty hard to get all the features working at once.
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Excited to check it out!
I dunno why but the person in the background almost walking onto the live set at 11:43 made me chuckle
LMAO
$299 retail holy shit.
For ONE device. Plus monthly fee for cloud services.
@@Valnjes 'i dont want subscriptions' here has this thing with subscriptions! LOL this shit is a joke
@@Valnjes Those cloud services do cost the company money every month. If you want them, nobody will provide it for free without stealing all your data.
@@Valnjes No...that price is for lifetime access. There would be no monthly fee for the cloud service...
@@Kcii-99 If you're depending on a subscription service, when why not just use a 'traditional' CLOUD service?
Either way, you're screwed if the company fails.
for $300 I can just buy a synology NAS...
That's what I also thought. Just by a Synology. It is very user friendly, supported and has everything and more you need. And Synology has a very good track record for feature and security updates.
Only problem with synology is the lackluster hardware :/
With maybe 4 drive bays? And old shitty ass hardware. I bought a 13700f cyberpower pc off ebay for $400 was given my brother's old 1660 and slapped 5 20 TB HDDs in it and I have a hell of a server and a great plex machine so my main gaming pc doesn't have to be on all of the time. 99% of the people in these comments just sound so damn broke i have no idea how yall survive. Its 99 dollars and I'm going to pay for it.
@@huskers1278 I think the current problem is more that with the features seen here and what is promised in the future, you can't really do anything on it that would really benefit from stronger hardware copmpared to a synology, asustor, ugreen etc nas. And to do something that utilises more hardware, it seems like you will have to configure it in trueNas. At least for the forseeable future of maby 3 to 5 years. Because as it seems to be now, it will take a really long time until you can actually do something that a dedicated nas from a large brand can not do equally simple, without diving into advanced truenas config.
That said, for 99 USD, I would definitely try it out.
@@saithisx the hardware is fine if you just use it as a NAS. not sure what the obsession is with everyone wanting to run containerized services on them
I've been waiting for this to be released. I'm techy enough to be interested in this stuff but not to jump into complicated stuff like NAS. Very excited for this when I have the time and space for it.
I remember you talking about this YEARS ago on the WAN show. I'm so, so happy we're finally getting more details because holy hell I would love an easy yet powerful storage server solution like this.
4:02 "We've already updated the BIOS and if you're rehabbing an old machine like this it is a good idea for you to do the same"
Usually, yes. But upgrading beyond a mid-2019 BIOS on these Optiplex/ProDesk/EliteDesk SFFs will disable CPU undervolting which you can use to increase power efficiency. Quite beneficial to a Folding/BOINC farm. But it's not like Throttlestop would run on HexOS..
for that price, does it come with any wallpaper for my phone?
Those accessibility options will be a lifesaver 😮
Was the math on 21:18 wrong or did I misunderstand something? where is the extra $100 coming from? $69 for the pc and $199 for HexOS. In my mind that's $268. If I'm wrong can someone please explain? Thank you
It will cost $299 after the early access phase
@@CornFlakesPC Ohh didnt catch that, Thank you :)
$100 for black Friday early access
@@Retromags_Brianand it’s on extra $100 discount while in beta - looks nice but seems a bit expensive for a beta release that’s just a nice gui on truenas… but I wish them well
$168 if you buy by 2 Dec, $268 if you buy during early access, $368 once it goes to full regular pricing.
Wait if TrueNAS is already free why would I pay 300$ for a UI revamp?
Because it's made for people... Who don't understand/don't want to understand Truenas it can get quite complicated
@@coffiloverIt's not remotely complicated unless they try to do complicated things. And most won't even KNOW what those complicated things are without being at least a little technically inclined. TrueNas is simple as all get-out for just getting NAS stuff up and running. Functional defaults mean that it "just works" if you run through the installer blind, and it hand-holds you through the process of setting up ZFS arrays and shares of all kinds. It just has lots of functionality AVAILABLE that you don't HAVE to know how to use if you don't want to. At a $0 cost.
@@coffilover those people will never buy this product. they will get icloud
@@nikolarunyeah, this is truly boggling at this price point. I feel like $300 is enough of a barrier for just about everyone who might be interested
@@nikolarun Wrong. I am one of those people. I don't want to spend tons of times figuring out something complicated like TrueNAS.
Linus, you haven't setup users on Unraid? Permissions work just the same as what you showed here
He knows. There's no way he'd have used Unraid as long as he did and never set up users.. He's just lying to hype up his investment. I lost a TON of respect for LTT over this.
Literally about to pick up a server tomorrow! Perfect timing
0:13 yeah ...
@@vhol93 thanks BMW... Am I right? 😮💨
19:08 girl math
I remember having to learn how to set user permissions in Linux so Plex would have access to files. Took me a whole weekend to figure it out. I know that struggle 14:56
Well dang I'm giving this a go. I have a home server and use docker, Plex, home assistant etc, very keen to see how this works for me! Nice one Linus!
Let's fight subscriptions with more subscriptions :D
It has as it has a lifetime one time payment than it's all good.
If you want you can pay once or pay less each month / year.
They are givving you both options
Thats great, ill download it perfectly legally
Jake not playing along on the buddy backup bit was hilarious.
This is a game changer for me. I’m going to be moving to a flat with my friend this Christmas and this is going to save a lot of time
I would love a basic NAS software. This OS has a long way to go.
Good idea. $300 killed it for me though. I am also not gonna throw $100 at some early access project - a lesson I have learned lots of times before. Using your so called $69 pc does not make any sense at all when the software you are using in itself costs $300. This both misses the home and enterprise market entirely.
Yeah, considering you can get an actual NAS for $300
This make sense to a lot of people just not you. I'm not a software person so I don't want to mess around with unraid/truenas so this is a great solution for people like me.
@@SpektrikMusicUnraid is not harder than this.
@@SpektrikMusic I can tell you haven't even tried Unraid.
The User/Folder access management is really similar to Unraid - no ACL bullshit.
There is ACL bullshit, they just hide it quite well.
The Buddy Backup feature would be so amazing!!
I don't currently have a NAS but my plan is when one day I make one I'll do it with a friend at the same time & we would have encrypted off site backups of each others data for redundancy. I never really considered how I would do it though lol.
I was thinking maybe Syncthing & Cryptomater or some weird solution like that. Though having an easy buddy backup feature would be great!
That Red Alert tesla tower sound effect at 1:10 is 👌
@@myrmidon111 Tesla coil gang
Reform Westwood and make a new C&C you cowards!!!
😐
EXTRA CRISPY⚡️
Chaching!, I'll get my tools!
$299? You might as well just go the extra mile and go Synology.
I was gonna say that this is the halfway between the convenience of Synology and the power of TrueNAS. But $299? Jeez.
Nailed it
But if your Synology breaks or you need more bays, you are spending more to buy a new machine. That's my current situation with my QNAP server. If I want to expand it I need to spend over $200 for a DAS or more for a new NAS.
@@Retromags_Brian How much storage do you need? With a 4 bay Synology you can throw 4 12 TB drives in it and have 36TB.
@@jahnkeanater4 12 tb drives is 48gb
and with redundancy that gets reduced by half there could be many reasons people need more
@Freestyle80 SHR-1/Raid 5 doesn't work like that. You can get 28TB Drives for a max of 84TB. But I still have to ask. Why would anyone buy a $500 NAS and put $3000 of Drives in it knowing they need almost 100TB?
FORGET what i said THIS IS NUTS 299 per server is a RIPOFF
99 would be a fair price but this is a barebones BETA so paying it upfront is a huge gamble
for 299 you better get at least a two server license
you got me excited until you asked that kinda money we are not all living in mansions with 115 inch tvs Linus you lost the plot
just two days ago I was talking about "buddy backup" but concluded that this would perhaps never happen... and it's almost here already??? I love this video, it gives me so much hope on the future...
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