Tiwanaku: The South American Stonehenge
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2018
- There is no shortage of theories exploring how these monoliths were constructed- from the Creator-god to aliens and giants. This programme chronicles University of Pennsylvania researcher Alexei Vranich's expedition to prove his theory of how the American Stonehenge was created: that the stones were transported across Lake Titicaca on gigantic totora reed boats and then laboriously dragged another 10 kilometers to the city.
To pull off this feat, Alexei enlists the help of Paul Harmon, a world-class sailor and adventurer. Follow their perilous mission from beginning to end - from the initial enthusiasm to the roadblocks thrown in their path, from the joy of their immersion deep into Bolivian culture to the challenging road to their ultimate success.
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I assume the Aymara could have succeeded without the ceremonies and blessing of the gods??
This was sadly the only documentary out of dozens that I could find on UA-cam for Tiwanaku that wasn't conspiracy laden garbage.
One of the best films about the ancient and present life of the Ayamara, present and past that I have ever seen, and I've done a lot of research. Brought tears to my eyes as the people decided what to do. Awesome. Thank you!
These guys are idiots
Love watching documentaries like this
Awesome really enjoyed this
Great video, at least they tried. I enjoyed this and it is great.
I honestly thought it would talk more about the history of Tiwanaku but it's good to know that there boat idea worked.
The real mystery there is Puma Punku , Tiwanaku was built diferente and it’s been proven already how , but we still don’t know how Puma Punku was built , with perfect 90 deg inside angles , perfectly drilled holes , and 4 slabs that are just too big to be moved without cracking
Davidovits: "obviously poured"
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Here's your answer c:
@@nedisawegoyogya yes geopolymer
@@jimih7811 That sounds great and all but why can't anybody do a simple demonstration? Not an entire wall. Gimme ONE block, poured.
@@trumphater3441 Yes I agree with you 100% I would to see that as well....
Awesome! And SO much better than Kon Tiki or Ra!
I was waiting for the "...and we only have four days to do it in." tagline in the intro.
American Top Gear sure is different.
Time team British archaeology programme ,
They use to dig things in 3 days , that was their tag line
I appreciate your effort to figure it out how they transport those big rocks. My suggestion is before you do that try to carve a monolith, like that with a stone hammer and a stick. I would love to see the result. These prehistoric guys seemed very talented and precise with basic tools... Our ignorance has no border. These ruins show how little we know about our past.
39:12 "there was no other choice"
This guy is his own worst enemy.. Everything that went wrong was the result of him rushing the project or underestimating the people that supposedly pulled this off who, if they did, had to be much more intelligent and innovative than he gives them credit for..
Thats just one aspect of the biggest mistake they commited. Which was not using a Pre Incan approach to it... YOU DON'T FIGHT AGAINST NATURE. COS NATURE WILL ALWAYS WIN.
One of the main principles from precolumbian cultures is to cooperate with each other and with mother nature/moon and father sky/sun. They didnt REQUESTED things, they ASKED. And also, avobe all, the principle of practicality reigns supreme...
If they had practical/mythical/religious knowledge about the seasons, the stars, sailing, and common sense physics, they wouldve known WHERE TO BUILD the boat, so you dont have to transport it for such long distances. Also, WHEN to sail and when to load the rocks. Its also COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE that they actually picked up THE BEST/EASIEST Rocks required for the construction...
Amazing...
I expect the ancients used a different way to move 10-200 ton blocks.
This was a great docu! If there are more like this, please find them. It was really interesting to watch them do everything with out modern tools, and use the knowledge the people already have.
Oh no, they are far far away from having the knowledge that the people who originally created and transported the monument were much more advanced, much more intelligent than this bunch of people, if the creators were watching they would be falling over laughing..
Sorry this not real thing even with 9 ton stone they had really big problems. Proof needed how they transported a stone from 450 ton that the astimeted weight off the biggest one there.
How the T shaped stones are made i waiting on a documentary to do that with old tools this is the real mistary
But, these guys had just one task, to transport a single 8 ton stone from point A to B. Quarrying thousands of them and other larger ones weighing 100's of tons, their transportation, placing them, sculpting & erecting them is too big a task, without any more advanced technology. That seems unlikely..🤗
Сравнили со Стоунхенджем. Стоунхендж грубо еле-еле обработан. В воротах Солнца Тиуанако и в блоках Пума Пунку прекрасно обработанные, не заваленные плоские поверхности, великолепные внутренние углы и криволинейные поверхности, где они есть. Большие платформы из красного песчаника сильнее выветрились, а менее крупные блоки из серого андезита поражают своей прецизионностью.
These two guys are such tools. Glorified dudebros.
Thank you. All I could think of was Bill Hader in Documentary Now!
For sure, they are totally delta bravo tools!
Thats pretty cool and the resemblance to the lodge houses they still build in Iraq is uncanny.
Documentaries don't need to be dramatized. Is history not interesting enough?
Love to see the number of dislikes compared to likes on this.
The boat alone was amazing. Watching them build it and get it launched gave me a contented feeling. There's a special magic up there.
The North American Stonehenges are actually "Woodhenges." The one in Indiana's Mounds State Park is one archaeologists positively identified around 1986 (I think?). Another better known one is in Cahokia Mounds in Illinois. Alignments of placements of posts in both sites correlate with similar placements of the stones at Stonehenge.
Are those north American henges round ?
Because the place at the beginning of this video isnt a henge at all
It's not round its not prehistoric.
Stonehenge in England is the most architecturally
sophisticated prehistoric stone circle in the world.
It was started just over 5000 years ago
500 years before the pyramids .
I've been going through lots of Timeline videos and imagine my huge surprise seeing this and realizing that I've already seen it before! My Archeology professor in college showed us this as a good example of investigative archeology. Really glad to see it again
Tiwanaku is far superiour than primitive Stonehedge😮
The 15 tons Totora proved that it can carry 9 tons stone , but I think the aymara did found the mass of stones near tihuanako the land was different one tausand years ago o even more. But I'm impressed by you project that proved that the aymaras did built tihuanako.
I want them to cut rocks with the tools they say are availble with the perfect 90 degree angles.
Many Amerindians have many great features
I hate this pseudo-science. When I visited Tiwanaku last year, the guide (who was from La Paz) kept referring to aliens and likening the fall of Tiwanaku with the fall of Atlantis and the Flood. It's insane. I love those reed boats by the way. If you head to Puno on the Peruvian side of the lake you can visit the floating islands of Uros in one of those boats. I love the altiplano.
Also the coca leaves, the offerings of cigs and alcohol. The bowler hats. The most Bolivian thing ever.
You take a bunch of reeds and pack them tightly enough you get a de facto tree
Which is the point -- taking nothing, and turning it into something you need.
I would have loved to watch this to the end. The ads just made it impossible 😔
Its a form of censorship.
The best way to move these stones across the lake would be to fasten the stone between two boats or barges so that the stone was fully submerged into the lake. This would cut its weight in half.
@3:50 "We're talking about an amazingly developed culture that didn't have writing or at least didn't leave us anything we could understand" That's quite difference, isn't it? Would you expect an amazingly developed culture to use stone tablets (although the way it happened with Moses was Supreme High Tech) or perishable reeds?
The bas-relief carvings of Viracocha and his chasquis in the lintel of the Gate of the Sun have now been decoded. They contain the same, stupendous information about the nature of God and all levels of existence as the sacred geometries of the Tree of Life, the Sri Yantra and the Platonic solids do, once they are all analysed in the correct way. Don't expect messages or even words. Look within them for the universal language of mathematics - for archetypal numbers and their patterns created by sets of images and the relationships between them. But all the deciphering may take you 20 years. It did me. No wonder no one has understood what the Gate of the Sun depicted. It was designed by geniuses so that only geniuses would understand what was depicted (and it has NOTHING to do with silly calendars for agriculture!). I hope you will read all about it some day and finally know what it depicts even if you are not geniuses.
The Incas had knotted strings that were used to carry information, but their civilization was largely destroyed by the Spanish conquistadors. I don't know when the knotted string technology was developed in the Andean Highlands.
The reeds used for the boat could have been used to make paper, but while that happened in Egypt millenia ago, it's not clear that a parallel invention occurred in the Americas.
Are the ropes used for moving the rock Pre-Columbian?? They look pretty modern to me.
Some (the yellow ones) were probably nylon -- the others look like the ropes they use to build the bridges in the Andes.
Considering that it was the most dangerous part I am sure their insurance stepped in.
"When in the water the boat absorbs water and that is going to make the boat more buoyant" lol.
The reeds expand and tighten the seal between them. But technically, you're right.
Felix El Gato: I can see that. Bundle them tightly, then submerge the and the water will make them swell together tightly, then dump the water on the inside and the swollen reeds will prevent water from coming through the bottom giving it more buoyancy.
mmkay I never thought about how water tightens the seal in wooden boats, but that makes perfect sense.
Water also makes the bottom heavier, acting as a kind of keel...
It's incredible what people are able to do as soon as they are combining their efforts. That's probably what our modern "civilization" is missing above all, and why we are driving backwards in so many aspects except technology (we don't really need)... Let's try and reset some basic activities and traditions to add up our efforts, it'll be the only way to restore human sanity I guess.
Lol not as funny as I'm not sure if they were saying push or pull but everyone knew what uno dos tres meant lol dudes a clown
Check out Joseph Davidovits. Ancient Geopolymer in South America.
I know people that would be so mad if they seen this video. They insist it was giants
Lol 🤣🤣🤣 I'm not sure if they were saying push or pull but everyone knew what uno dos tres meant I'm dying 😭🤣🤣🤣 dude how
Cigar shaped, love to know where you get your cigars.
Stone hedge compares to Tiwanaku the way a rock compares to a mountain...
I thought the American Stonehenge was located in Salem New Hampshire? I just went there 2 years ago and visited the place for like 4 hours. I took a bunch of pictures and I found some hidden Engravings inside of some of the stone cabins.
I had to bring the pictures up on Photoshop and alter the contrast brightness hue etc, and then I was able to see these hidden Engravings that were scratched on the wall. I don't think anyone else in the world knows this, except me.
I doubt you are the only one who knows, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I should add that such a claim would be better served to be announced in a more formal forum than a UA-cam comment section.
@@Jeff121456 which I do have and they don't know about
Yew Tube Yoda yeah, I thought this was going to be about the stones in New England. I have always wanted to go there. This is just about stone walls of an ancient city.
I didn't see anything about the 'United States of America' Stonehenge in the title. There are two or three (depending on your terminology) Americas.
@@bitsnpieces11 , The name for the whole continent is the American Continent, referred as “The Americas.” . It’s the real America. Got nothing to do with the United States, is based on Americo Vespucci.
Well done guys. Good effort. Now try sacsayhuaman size or baalbek (hemp rope and no modern tools, that includes pulleys with 5:1 etc ratios lol)
They had the kipus
And some writing that the incas proihibited
Es increible qe qieran ni siqiera ponerlo en la misma frase ,mucho menos comparar a TIWANAKU, una ciudad de una cultura super avanzada con stonhenge, a todas luces no mas qe un mal hecho corral de vacas...
By moving one 8 ton stone from the quarry to the site, you can't claim this is how the city was erected. When you look at other archeological sites around the world, many stones weigh 100 to 1000 tons. How was that accomplished by prehistoric people is baffling, if not impossible 🤗
Agree. The population/time wouldnt have been enough to form and carry millions of blocks. The natives who helped build this reed boat thought these white researchers were idiots. But then,back to thousands of years, they just could not have millions of idiots to carry the blocks through the sea. There was no reason to do it THIS WAY.
Not American Stonehenge as many people have said lol. I visited the American Stonehenge once and I highly recommend it!
Kind of a smaller-scale "Fitzcarraldo."
Blocchi da centinaia di tonnellate ciascuno spostati a braccia e giunchi di paglia che circumnavigavano il globo .... forse neppure la Marvel comics riuscirebbe ad avere così tanta fantasia .
This guys deserve an award
They moved stones in there time there was no water there no lake at that time
Sound,,, They Used Sound to Stack, Shape, Cut and Transport Ancient Tiwanaku Architecture .. 9 Ton Feathers ✨🪈✨ #OrishaLaBamba 🌴
Gosh that is some great looking rope you used to hold your boat together, I wonder, where did you get that?
Not sure I buy their conclusion. It took them literally 1/3 of a year to move one stone. I don't buy that an entire city was quarried in this manner, even over hundreds of years.
tiwanako ?
I see trees. No trees?
Too much ignorance comment beneath me . I think you all should self study and searching past wisdom more than hanging in the social media and act like crazy to get thumb and like
That guy just mentioned Bolivia. When Tiahuanaco culture it's also settle on Peru territory. Actually the Sun's door is on Peru territory [PUNO]
Se dice que fue construida por gigantes
Maybe cannibas they used to smoke and build and trip out
Our ancestors were more intelligent than you give them credit for.. they had ancient advanced technology. Ancient in our time but highly sophisticated in there time and it involves more than reeds.
Why compare it with Stonehenge?
Of the hundreds of pre-historic sites across the British Isles Stonehenge was relatively small and recent.
I wanna have a beer with the guy who named that place "Titty-caca"
The stone blocks with the stone faces was set into place between the standing stones was by the Bolivian government. Set in place, not sculpted. I want to be clear on that.
Yes, its a restoration/reconstruction, but the French mission of 1903 published photographs of an excavation trench which revealed a wall with pillars and inset stone heads.
I don't think stone henge comes close but whatever.
They're advanced enough to move those rocks across the lake but they aren't advanced enough to use pulleys or any other more non-primitive tools?
There are ruins at the bottom of that lake you know that why you fib
😆😉
Giants no ufo 🤦♂️
HENGE * "a prehistoric monument in the shape of a circle".
Not a square thing with a modern brick wall ruining it. 🙈
You are the crazy ones
Alien airport
When you said this was a stone Heng in America........ just a little misleading is all unless you intentionally put it that way so people will click on it and I got clickbait
Bolivia is in the Americas you pleb.
Too many ads. I gave up.
Gotta use adblock. Unless you're on mobile, in which case, you're doomed to an eternity of ads.
This has to be some kind of failed reality show pilot.
Who else thinks the name of that lake sounds vulgar?
LOL
You joke, but have you ever heard of the 'Teton' mountain range? Know what that was named after?
@@Chaosian - I do now! 😂Frenchmen, huh?
The elephant in the room is, 'Why an intelligent people would choose to use massive stones in their construction projects instead of much more manageable, yet still large, stones?' It does not make sense to choose a harder way to build something rather than choosing a much easier and effective method. Earthquakes? To impress? Not a good enough reason. Answering this question does not lead us to Aliens. It does suggest we do not have a handle on the technology available to the builders. (Probably not the Incans).
Bruno Flior What you wrote there speaks volumes about your lack of imagination and your "historical ignorance".
There are multiple reasons old monuments were being built using "less manageble" large stones, of the top of my head I can give you 4 reasons.
1) - Availability of man power:
Those large stones only look less managable to you because you grew up in times where if you want to move something heavy you use a crane. Even in the technologically advanced West it is only about 200 years since heavy things were moved by using something else than "flesh power". Take ropes, some humans and animals and you can move EVERYTHING where you want and how you want. Watch the part where they are moving the boat - only takes a few dozens of amateurs to move a thing weighing 12 tonnes. Also, please pay speciall attention to the part when they succeded and notice the smiles and the sense of accomplishent.
2) - Primitive stone cutting techniqes and very basic metalurgy:
In situations where your technology does not allow you to have the best of tools, but you have access to people and pack animals who can move large things you quarry the largest manageable thing you can to save time and cut costs. If cutting a groove in the bedrock to free a stone block takes you 6 months and uses up a large number of expensive tools, but moving it to where you want takes you 3 days and costs you a few meals for the workers, then you get more labour force to move the stuff. Metal itself is expensive, chisels are expensive, there is no space in the quarry to get the worker gangs bigger (only that many people can work on one stone), but you can always get extra 200 people to drag a thing.
3) - No mortar technology:
Please, notice that decent mortar tchnology is only about 2000 years old. Before that when building anything that you wanted to last you had no other choice but to build it using well fitting stone blocks. When you take into account my points 1) and 2) you should realise that having big stones instead of a bunch of smaller ones actually SAVES you a lot of time and "money". This is why the Romans for example would rather use smaller stones or bricks instead of the huge ones. They had acces to cheep labour too, but they also had stone cutting tools made of iron and steel and they had mortar - they were technologically advanced enough to save time and money that way. Also, mortar allowed them a much greater "flexibility" of design when it comes to construction.
4) It looks great:
Come on man, using huge stone blocks looks awesome. Even now if you look at a wall made of large stone blocks it is far more aestethically pleasing to your eyes than a brick wall. It is just a human thing.
They were building to please the "Gods". The bigger and more impressive the better. Plus when strangers came along you could tell them your "Gods" built it and would destroy the intruders if they messed with you. I don't personally fear their "Gods" but I can respect their belief. Why were the pyramids, Tower of Babel, Twin Towers, Eiffel Tower, the Great Wall of China built, because MAN could do it. Much like men climb tall mountains "because they're there".
The issue is not so much moving the stones as much as molding them to look as the existing
They say you cant fit piece of paper through the joints in the stone work, I should hope so it was all built from runes in the 60's. Watch this.ua-cam.com/video/RDXa9PzCq1o/v-deo.html
The Patagonian race made them
Ugh! So much forced drama... Sadly, it is one of the the least educational documentaries. It tells you nothing about experts from the past, but a lot about well meaning amateurs from the present... Still, at least there were no Ancient Aliens involved ;)
"Exports from the past"? What is that, even?
Brad Miller Dislexic much? ;D
Do not understand either the word "dislectic" (mis-spelling of dyslexic, maybe?), or what it refers to. But yes, I am a dyslexic, who was not diagnosed until I was 20, and have been struggling with this handicap ever since. As well to blame me for being colorblind, or in a wheelchair.
Brad Miller You are absolutely right, I did correct it now - your case cannot be that bad then ;) Hope you get better, though.
Kwodlibet Sadly, there is no simple, or clean, or quick fix. It is just type/read -- re-type/re-read -- rinse and repeat. (I LOVE spellcheckers!) There are some jobs that I can't in good conscience even apply for -- like pharmacist, or emergency services dispatcher --if I transpose just 1 number -- people could die! And I would not even realize the mistake was made, until too late :(
That didn't happen like that, these guys are trying to debunk angelic tech, angels?! period.we the maori race came from there,some were 15to 20ft when we left Peru,n left traces of megaliths around the Pacific,Easter Island,Tonga,Samoa,NZ.
Smithers, it must be that Simpson fellows doing ....but sir its 4700 years old.....exxxcccellent
Maybe they were very advanced
Didnt need to write much
If the man said giants made it then it is likely true. The lake is perfect for irrigation farming. It could easily support a large city. I would look for evidence of hemp production. You cheated by using commercial rope. Hemp sails are the only ones that last unless you go synthetic. The jute rope they used is not nearly as strong as hemp. This boat making method is similar to the mideast boat design.
Biggest stone in puma punka is what? Est 131 tonnes? Biggest slab in tiwanaku is like 60t. And they move a 9t stone thinking that proves anything. Lmao.
Conclusive proof of what we all knew already: That the Inca didn't move a single one of these multi ton blocks. Thanks.
Maybe the Aztecs had better luck when they weren't having the deal with a couple of Gringo knit wits
YeS they did WiT h Super natural powers😮
They obliterated a wall that may have been hundreds of years old to move their busted boat... woops.
Exposed mud brick wall in a region that gets frequent rainstorms... Maybe 20 years old at most with yearly maintenance.
Ok, transporting these smaller stones, is only a part of the mystery. How were these huge stones, cut and polished, so long ago. These are ignorant historians
I've always said that arrogance equates to ignorance. That was in reference to Egyptologists and their ridiculous "stone ball and copper chisel" theory of how the pyramids were built. Well, the same thing can be said about the scientists in this video who insist on saying that the Inca built sites like Tiwanaku et al.
I've seen several videos of modern Inca being asked on camera how their ancestors built these amazing megalithic structures and every person interviewed laughs and says that they were present long before they arrived.
Why do these archeologists insist on not listening to the indigenous people is beyond me and really frustrating.
Why are our modern day scientists so adamantly ignorant? The Inca DID NOT build this site, and they will tell you that.
The bottom line is that this was an experiment in futility because the stone they transport is a joke as far as its size is concerned.
This was an abject failure.
If you make me 1 Puma Punku T shaped stone with cupper tools I believe you. The solar port has much kilos some estimates up to 450 tons..this something else than 9 ton. Conclusion you made a mistake proof needed how they transported 450 ton
Well I am bolivian so what I think is that extraterrestrial being a few had built all the rock structure. To provide life due to radio spectrum had been to stabilize the world.
It can be very funny to see how some people can’t see outside their tiny tiny, tiny little life.
It’s interesting that he doesn’t believe in ETs. Have they any concept of how tiny this little planet is in our universe.
This is not the American Stonehenge. That is in Salem, NH and is just a big fake. Even if it was actually called that, the show didn't tell us anything about it. Nothing at all. The show should be called "How to help out the Bolivian economy by having them make a stupid boat". The whole thing is just a rip off of Thor Heyerdahl and his Kon-Tiki expedition in 1947.
Calling it American Stonehedge was clickbait. That's why I chomped at the bait.
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That's just silly calling this story a rip-off. There is so much to these documentaries that is unsaid. WHY did these peoples transport huge blocks? What actually made them dedicate their time to these endeavours? Who were these people?
By recreating the trials and motions it hopefully gives us clues as to the origins of their rituals and lifestyles...for lack of a better wording.
where all those nice cut logs come from?
And think took them that long for one stone lol I know back then they had more people and more boats but they weren't the size of Egypt back then so idk how many people were in the tribe and honestly thought the hardest part would be to get it off the boat before even seeing it go on. The tribe uses any excuse to get high off thise coke leaves lol I seen them all eating them like fiens.
that monolith is 10 % of the largest stones , so do you propose they made 10 times larger boats for those ??
I think, this experimental is nice but I cannot imagine thousands of idiot ancient people carrying millions of heavy block on reed boats.
The ruins of Tiwanaku was built by the Mormons
This archaeologist should research Kon Tiki Veracocha, and give up his preconceptions. All Peruvian legends agree that there was a separate civilizing teacher who brought technology to the local peoples. He should also do some diving in the lake for evidence of a prior civilization, which included a great Flood legend, and asteroid or meteor impact, which may be the original source of the lake water.
Bro, go in the other room so you don't wake your kids while your editing.
Why didn't you build the boat beside the water? Doesn't seem to be about the history of the area. It's more of a showcase for the narrator.
Not saying was alien technology, but was definitely advanced technology. The Inca civilization did not possess the ability to cut , polish and move the larger mega ton blocks. Who the original builders were, will remain a mystery, perhaps beyond our lifetime.