My friends and I made a list of the best bikes. Overall? It took little convincing one another, however we concluded that THIS Guzzi was the BEST STANDARD/UTILITY bike in the world. Smooth, great styling, will last forever, a PLEASURE to ride, get's the gas mpg of a 500 due to it's low rpm gearing, is priced VERY well and has a big 90 degree V2 with 6 speed shaft-drive transmission. One rider says he obtained nearly 60 mpg on a 50 mph highway...
Getting ready to go and pick up my V7S this morning. Really pleased with my choice. Wanted a bike with a soul. My beautiful wife is Italian. I wanted to be able to share this experience with her not to seperate us. Bikes can be intimidating for a passanger. This bike is all about love of riding and family. Help's me help her learn to enjoy the ride and live to ride another day safely. Thank you for this video really reconfirms my decision as to why I purchased this beautiful Italian motorcycle. Tim
Thanks for a reasoned review of the new V7. Yes, the brakes could be better but, as you said, it’s not about racing about so most buyers will (should) realise it’s a bike for laid back roadster work and the occasional short tour. You get easy maintenance, relative good economy and that all important bit of Guzzi class thrown in. What’s not to like?
Exactly. I think some people judge bikes on things they weren't designed for. A bad bike is one is not reliable or dangerous. Other than that, it's all about choice.
I owned a Guzzi Monza many years ago. It was a brilliant bike, let down by sketchy electrics requiring me to always have a bag full of fuses in my pocket, but other than that, it was a solid, mechanically reliable sheer joy to ride machine. It's the sweetest handling bike I have ever owned, and I've never forgotten the enjoyment it gave me. I'm thinking of changing my current sports bike, and this review has brought back everything I used to love back then about that bike. I'm seriously tempted by it. It looks gorgeous, and having owned a Guzzi before, there is a special feeling when you ride one. I owned that Guzzi for longer than any other bike. Yes, definitely food for thought.
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
That is excellent news and good to know. I’m 65 , never been on a bike , but all my life wanted one. Based on your experience, it seems to be the bike to go with. 😊
@@andrewmuscat1710 Exactly, what's going on here. It's a bit annoying that you never know if reviews or comments are genuine or someone is getting payed, kickbacks etc or if they're an employee of the company
They used every bit of that instrument, even having the blinkers, no wasted space in a lovely designed unit that mirrors the brand (also a very nice daytime running light design). I would prefer the Special, it looks even more beautiful with the chrome parts. Nice review, cheers
Nice review NTP. I got my V7 850 (Stone) June 2021. Have done 9000 miles on it now, long trips and 40 mile commutes 4 times a week. Even rode through a UK winter, and a part from a few nuts with surface corrosion, some paint flaking of one of the exhaust header clamps and a couple of stone chips on the fork legs it has come through winter pretty well. Bike just gets better every time I ride it. Its a definite improvement on the V7III I had. Leaps and bounds better than the 750 Breva I once owned. I call it my T3 for the 21st century.
No!!….You’ve done it again!! After your review of the V7iii I went and bought one….. fortunately I’m in love with my Guzzi and I’m keeping her 😂😂 Great review as always 👍
What ever you do don’t try the new v7. I had a v 7iii that I absolutely loved and was stunned just how much better are the v7’s engine, handling and comfort. I traded in my v7lll and couldn’t be happier.
@@bbumble4117 Well now I`m really confused. When I saw the new V7 I was going to trade my V7III in ,even though I love it ,the extra power appealed. Then I have seen several tests of the new bike that talk of the extra weight ,more vibration and the weird light and clock aren`t improvements to me. They`ve also gone to a pressed crank instead of the old forged unit . I had decided to keep the III a while longer. I suppose I will have to test one . Though I have heard rumours of a new Guzzi roadster ,presumably using the full V7 engine at 80hp and twin discs up front, They should always have made a roadster V85 to partner the ADV bike.
@@billycaspersghost7528 I have the v7 special. I like the twin analogue-style clocks, spoked wheels and chrome. A bike has to be shined. In all honesty, I can’t detect the extra weight. Having run the bike in now - unlike most testers - there is no more vibration. The v7 most certainly has a far better , suspension, handling, tyres and comfort. My problem with most “professional” testers is they seem to judge everything by the standards of their preferred sports bikes, which have more power and electronics than mere mortals like me - especially though who wish to keep their driving licences - could ever use. I am not an engineer and thus am not qualified to comment on the crank issue. I don’t know what other manufacturers do with comparable bikes but I should be surprised if the amount and way most modestly-powered street bikes will be ridden would ever tax the crank. If someone plans on keeping the bike for 30 years, or never servicing it properly, things might potentially be different but this all sounds a bit theoretical to me. It is far more likely that the electronics - an expensive weak link on all bikes - will give up the ghost first. I am puzzled by the rumours of a new roadster. I don’t see why Guzzi didn’t do this in the first place if that was their end goal. They must have spent a fortune on designing the v7’s engine, suspension and frame (all of which are completely different to the v7 iii and, for that matter, the v85). The full v85 engine would be overkill and would price the v7 out of the market. It would make more sense for them to develop a much bigger (and thus more expensive) roadster/cruiser that didn’t compete directly with the v7. At the end of the day, there is no substitute for trying out the bike yourself. We all have different needs and wants, histories and aspirations, and physiques.
@@bbumble4117 I think I would pay a bit more for V85 Roadster as it would need twin discs at least and the full V85 engine has more expensive valve gear and fueling The new V7 850 engine is a cheap version of the V85 ,it is not that different. Just missing titanium valves ,forged crank and better fueling If they made a roadster V85 at a couple of K more than the V7 I would buy it. I agree with you about most testers and that`s why your experience is useful to me. Most testers have no experience of this type of bike and their ideas of "vibration" and how the bike performs are totally valueless as they are without any context. I did not see why the 850 should vibrate when Guzzi has made bigger engines and so conclude the problem is with the tester not the bike. The crank thing was more that I was mystified as to why they did it other than economy.
I have two Guzzis, an Audace and a V7lll Special. Both of them can be shifted fairly silently with some practice. I learned the techniques on Airheads years ago. I also had three Harleys, they were the epitome of clunky shifting. I really am going to like to get a bike somewhat between the two. The Audace is getting a bit heavy in my old age but I would like something a bit heavier than my V7 for touring. A street version of the V85TT would be ideal I think. I have wanted to try a Roamer but nowhere to be found. Maybe this new model may do the trick. Nice review, thanks.
I loved my Moto guzzi . It was a 2016 v7 stone 2 but it got ruined from the huge flood here :( these new ones look amazing . Bigger engine as well . Thanks for this video
Great break down of the new V7! I've been tempted at times to trade in my 2019 Night Pack for the new 2021. I would love the extra power but I find it extremely difficult given it's my first bike ever and I want to keep it forever. I've developed a special bond with my V7. Could you feel the difference in power increase from the V7 III? I'll wait and see what other variants they come out with. I wonder what the next V7 Racers will look like.
Thank you Gerardo, Yes, I can tell the difference in power but if you have the V7III, keep it, it's really not worth the money to trade-up to this imho. It is more power but it is also more weight...so it's really a trade off. take care, Scott
I ride my SV650 with nothing to prove, but when i get overtaken by a food delivery girl on a Honda Scoopy, i sometimes feel threatened and i have to repass her to teach her a lesson! So, i still unfortunately have something to prove. Nice review, the Guzzi looks cool, love the premium V7 model.
great bike, excellent review! sometimes i really enjoy this relaxed riding style which is nearly impossible on some of the modern bikes out there. thats why i went for the r1250r. not really comparable but also provides this roadster feeling.
The original V7 was we Guzzista call the big block motor. The same basic architecture right thru to the last Griso and everything in between in all the Cali's, LeMans, Daytonas etc etc. This current 850 V7 motor, and its gearbox and swing arm design harkens back to the late 70's and the first of the 350 and 500 V35 and V50's, inc the V50 Monza. We call this engine architecture the small block. Regards, Nice review. Nice countryside, is that PB plate Paderborn by any chance?
People forget that all v twin shaft drive Guzzis since year Dot, and all airhead Beemers, run a dry clutch direct off the crankshaft, ie at engine speed, just like 99.9% of all cars. Most motorcycles run a clutch off a gearbox mainshaft with a 2:1 reduction ratio from crank speed. Big difference, but hence your slow clunky gearchanges. I call it character and class and longevity.
What a nice review again of this stunning beauty! MG stands for a century of beauty this year. A motorcycle a child would draw: two wheels, a tank, an engine and an exhaust. So much more beautiful than the 4 Japanese plastic competitors in this class. Scott you should talk your wife into a 2nd hand 1st Gen. V7 Stone or so :-)
Thank you Larry! Yea, I don't need to talk her into one, she likes the V7s the most out of all the middleweights. "It's the way a motorcycle is supposed to be" is what we both believe and is what Guzzi is and represents in today's tech/modern/gadgets galore world of bikes. take care, Scott
I‘m head over heels for the V7 ever since i rode it in march. I really like the Centenario. Dont know if i can wait till November for the end of season Sales to save a few bucks thought :(
@@1990-t1j Unfortunately not , key transponder and ignition receiver failed to recognise each other. Dealer was great though in direct contact with the factory in Italy. Hard to diagnose at first but after two weeks of trying due to parts availability as each component had to come from Italy, they fixed it. £500.00 later as out of warranty I lost confidence as the replacement parts may well fail again. Loved the bike and gutted to see it go but felt i had no choice. Lava Red v9 Roamer by the way.
@@user-ei6rr7fk7o Think that has to do with piaggio's security system. The same thing you experienced, my dad did as well but he had a piaggio x9 500cc scooter. Had to buy a entire new unit and keys because something with the main key failed.
Tangent here sir ....when checking out my( new bike September 2020)...your review honest and believable..did help in my purchase..suzuki vstrom 1050 xt ps love guzzi too...atb dave
I am disappointed in all the changes from the V7III except for the power. I have a V7III Milano that has dual instruments, tubeless cast wheels and stainless fenders and side panels. Now if you want the latest LED light and tubeless you have to live with flat black everything and one instrument. My thoughts on appearance. The new hump in the seat to accommodate the longer shocks looks weird and ruins the clean lines. I overcame the poor shocks with aftermarket ones that certainly work and look better than these very angled ones. The euro 5 placement of the oxygen sensors is really ugly, although not quite as bad as on the V85TT. The exhaust system has a pronounced kink also affecting the lines. From a handling perspective the light weight and narrow rear tire on the old model make it flickable, for a Guzzi that is. Either generation will need fork work, and when done made the V7III into an excellent handing motorcycle. The extra 9 kgs and wider tire and drive necessary with the extra power will not help the handling. I could see living with both if the engine was the complete 850 from the V85, but not for this lessor 850. I cannot comment on the 850 vibration but will say that over 4000 rpms the V7III is exceptionally smooth. I have much more powerful bikes and can honestly say that I find the V7 power to match well with the total package and not leave me wishing for more.
Nice film, thanks! Overall do you think it's an improvement over the V7 iii, in particular is the additional power and handling worth the additional weight?
Well, that is where you heard me paus in the video when referring to the weight gain. There is always a trade off and while it was very difficult to feel the extra weight, I did notice it. Now your question: "an improvement" hmm...well I really have not come to a conclusion on that as of yet. Engine is bigger, smoother, more power, and more fuel efficient, so on that scale it is an improvement. But if you take the V7III, by it's self, well that is still a great bike too 🤨🤔
Great work Scott I really like your style. Something on this video was telling me that you preferred the old model but that may be me reading in between the lines.
Not sure if I'd fit on that bike, but it is so gorgeous. As you're talking about clunky shifting, axial mounted brakes, etc., I sit here mesmerized just staring at the thing. Now I want one. :)
Nice review & I really like this bike. What a great colour too. It's the essence of biking, just cruising along without a care in the the world. Hope to have one in my garage later this year or maybe next.
Wonderful video, thank you. I just purchased the Centenario livery and love it. Unfortunately, here in the U.S. we got stuck with the big ugly turn signals. As soon as I can find a set of the slim Euro signals I'm going to swap them out. Ride safe.
@@younicbic I'm not sure if they are legal or not, however, there are many aftermarket turn signals available here in the U.S. that are much smaller than these would be. As long as they work properly I would not anticipate having any legal issues using them.
Being a multi Guzzi owner in aus I would take it further and state it’s not how close the dealers are but rather how poorly the importer stocks parts if at all and how long they take to bring them in. The latter is what would worry me on a serious long trip with anything failing or becoming damaged. The importer in aus is Peter Steven’s and all the bike shops shriek when talking about their poor service. Ultimately it’s a failing from piaggio for not paying attention to their dealers and ensuring they meet some minimum expectation of service. I’ve probably done 10,000km, on 4 Guzzis I the past 33 months, and mechanically they have been flawless. Only had a couple of qc issues ie the badges and some manufacturing process failure with something on inside of Speedo glass, all sorted under warranty tho, after waiting months for pathetic Peter Steven’s to bring the parts in.
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerka Absolitely. The part I didn't mention was that the dealer who sold me the RE told me they used to sell moto guzzis too, but the wait times on parts led to so many complaints that it was hurting business. He said the final straw was when they had to wait 8 months (the entire riding season) waiting on some simple but crucial part to arrive.
Excellent review as usual… I noticed your right heel looks as if it scraped away some of the black finish on the right tailpipe… is at that an issue with the redesigned pipes they are more of an upswing.. would be interested to hear your take on this cheers still loving your videos and your video style
Nice review, own a v7III, There fun ,nimble, low maintenance bikes, decent handling, great for backroads or a second bike, I just think after a while of owning they do get boring, no wind protection, the power gets boring to. Suspension is extremely basic,, rides pretty stiff, it's still a great second bike to a goldwing or a a ultra, it is also a very small bike. They dont keep to much resale value if u plan on selling a year or to later, there not really in demand , Not much room if ur tall. Just something about them that keeps me coming back, reminds me of a bmw 1976 r75/5 with modern technology, review is spot on!
I have had a 2015 V7 II Stone. From its design I like this old version the most. Classic two clocks, more beautiful tank cap, the chrome exhaust, classic headlight. But I suppose that the riding on this new version is much better. Some extra power and much better suspension. The suspension of the II Stone was quite harsh. The V7 is still one of my favorites for this type of bike.
Can you comfortably travel longer distanses on this V7 like for exaple from UK to the south of France, or the only Guzzi really suitable for this kind of trip is V85TT?
Of course you can. Dont be silly. Its what everyone did before motorcycles were categorised and put into little boxes, cant do this, but can do this. They can do everything. A V7 is prolly no worse than the V85TT for 90% of off road work that the average TT owner puts it through.
It really depends on what you are looking for in a ride. Wind protection or not, it's the same motor but different chassis. You can ride either one around the world, it just depends on how much luxury you want 😁👍
I bought a late V7III at a big discount. I love the bike so much it is impossible to imagine trading it in for the new version. Should I I trade it in for the new version?
No, keep it, a Guzzi is much like a relationship that a son has with his father. Reminds me of a quote by a famous American: "A son can only return the love that was first shown to him by his father" by Robert LeRoy Parker a.k.a. Butch Cassidy The more love you give it, the more love it gives back 😁👍 take care, Scott
@@NothingToProve I am taking your advice. I just test rode the new model and was unsettled ,it just wasn`t my Guzzi. I can list of the technical points. The fueling seems glithchy ,the greater power seems absorbed by the weight or just wasn`t a great enough increase to bother with. They have done something to reduce the low rev torque reaction ,"head shake" and I do not see why ..Guzzi riders know and accept it. It did not have as much low down feel to me ,, I expect figures may prove otherwise but it did not feel as meaty ,torquey and substantial .Lighter crank? But the bottom line is "my " Guzzi still holds my heart and this new jezebel was just a passing foolishness.
Well, there is really not much difference between the two. Sound, feel: same, the only difference is the V85 has power, now that is noticeable. take care, Scott
Quando si accende la V7 Stone 2021 vibrano manopole e serbatoio in modo evidente. Poi in marcia diminuiscono le vibrazioni. Questa caratteristica è tipica dei bicilindrici a V. Chi è del Mondo Harley ne sa qualcosa. Quindi chi è abituato ai bicilindrici in linea oppure ai quattro cilindri in linea ha un impatto non banale alla prima guida. E' comunque una caratteristica del Mondo Guzzi. Chi entra nel Mondo Guzzi deve tener conto di questo e considerare tale caratteristica come un segno distintivo. In qualche modo un valore caratterizzante. In merito alla trasmissione cardanica invece di quella catena occorre fare attenzione ad evitare accelerate ON-OFF. In altre parole chi è abituato alla trasmissione a catena non deve accelerare in modo molto brusco (ON-OFF) altrimenti può fare male nel tempo alla trasmissione (l'accelerazione deve essere "accompagnata"). Tutte caratteristiche da tener conto e che fanno parte di un grande mondo, il Mondo Guzzi, Alessandro
The bike is handsome but the passenger seat looks very uncomfortable for a lengthy ride. I love Guzzi bikes, love the looks and sounds. My take is when buying a cycle it must fit you like a glove and if not walk away or even don't even mount one. Peace.
I like retro bikes, I have a RE 500 classic and a 650 Interceptor. I like Italian styling, I have a Vespa and a Piaggio MP3 500. I use my bikes for weekend riding on the back roads of Oregon and occasionally for a 62 mile commute to work. I have made longer, touring rides on my Piaggio. I have a few years experience but don't consider myself an overly skilled rider. Is this a bike I could replace my other bikes with? Is it comfortable enough to cruise the freeway at 70 MPH yet fun enough to do my weekend scoots with? Is this THE bike? My only real concern is the fact that the closest dealer is 237 miles away.
I really enjoyed watching your review, nothing to prove is great title of your channel. Definitely give you thumbs up and click sub 👍 years ago I owned MG 1200 Sport and in near future will come back to this amazing brand with Italian soul….would be V7S or 85TT
I've had 3 Guzzi's. All have been truly terrible reliability wise. If they made another reliable looking 1000 roadster I would none the less consider one. For now its a BMW R Nine T though. Similar vibe of bike.
Nice review, thank you. I like the bike a lot. Just prefer a full front fender, which I find necessary for touring in rainy weather. Just not sure how it would look.
I've owned a couple of Guzzi's and, yes, they are a very nice cruiser with torque at low rpm's. I have to disagree about riding a Guzzi aggressively. If you wind it up in the 5-6500 rpm it's sound and it's behavior is a completely different machine. From cruiser to hot rod.
I have the V7III 750 it has more than enough power (how often do you use all the power of a bike anyway?) not sure the extra weight/power is actually required in the real world but that’s marketing for you! Love the colour and the new shocks though.
Love your channel, can you please review the Kawasaki meguro k3, it maybe difficult to get your hands on one, I'm tossing between the new V7 & meguro k3.
You get the clunk on gear change just like a Beemer, it is caused by the engine speed clutch - all the motorcycles with a seperate clutch runs at half engine speed.
My friends and I made a list of the best bikes. Overall? It took little convincing one another, however we concluded that THIS Guzzi was the BEST STANDARD/UTILITY bike in the world. Smooth, great styling, will last forever, a PLEASURE to ride, get's the gas mpg of a 500 due to it's low rpm gearing, is priced VERY well and has a big 90 degree V2 with 6 speed shaft-drive transmission. One rider says he obtained nearly 60 mpg on a 50 mph highway...
When I watch your videos, I feel like I’m talking to a buddy about motorcycles at the pub chugging down a beer!
Getting ready to go and pick up my V7S this morning. Really pleased with my choice. Wanted a bike with a soul. My beautiful wife is Italian. I wanted to be able to share this experience with her not to seperate us. Bikes can be intimidating for a passanger. This bike is all about love of riding and family. Help's me help her learn to enjoy the ride and live to ride another day safely. Thank you for this video really reconfirms my decision as to why I purchased this beautiful Italian motorcycle. Tim
Thanks for a reasoned review of the new V7. Yes, the brakes could be better but, as you said, it’s not about racing about so most buyers will (should) realise it’s a bike for laid back roadster work and the occasional short tour. You get easy maintenance, relative good economy and that all important bit of Guzzi class thrown in. What’s not to like?
Exactly. I think some people judge bikes on things they weren't designed for. A bad bike is one is not reliable or dangerous. Other than that, it's all about choice.
I owned a Guzzi Monza many years ago. It was a brilliant bike, let down by sketchy electrics requiring me to always have a bag full of fuses in my pocket, but other than that, it was a solid, mechanically reliable sheer joy to ride machine. It's the sweetest handling bike I have ever owned, and I've never forgotten the enjoyment it gave me.
I'm thinking of changing my current sports bike, and this review has brought back everything I used to love back then about that bike. I'm seriously tempted by it. It looks gorgeous, and having owned a Guzzi before, there is a special feeling when you ride one. I owned that Guzzi for longer than any other bike.
Yes, definitely food for thought.
Piaggio taking over has definitely improved the overall quality and I have had no issues with mine.
Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 cc that I have had for 20 years. Once took me 120 miles on one cylinder at highway speed when one spark plug wire crapped out on a Sunday morning with no shops open. At almost 70 years old it has gotten too heavy to maneuver in and out of situations. Purchased a 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone at more than 100 pounds less wet weight. Absolutely love it. Will stay with Moto Guzzi for the rest of my riding life. I have owned BMW, Laverda, Ducati, Moto Morini, Triumph, BSA, Zundapp, Indian, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Cagiva and loved them all for different reasons, but the fact that I can physically handle the weight of a bike that will cruise (illegally) at 85-90 mph for as long as I need, looks good, is reliable and affordable and unique, why shop anywhere else?- -Mike Battle
That is excellent news and good to know.
I’m 65 , never been on a bike , but all my life wanted one.
Based on your experience, it seems to be the bike to go with. 😊
Same post everywhere
Makes perfect sense.
@@andrewmuscat1710 Exactly, what's going on here. It's a bit annoying that you never know if reviews or comments are genuine or someone is getting payed, kickbacks etc or if they're an employee of the company
They used every bit of that instrument, even having the blinkers, no wasted space in a lovely designed unit that mirrors the brand (also a very nice daytime running light design).
I would prefer the Special, it looks even more beautiful with the chrome parts.
Nice review, cheers
Nice review NTP. I got my V7 850 (Stone) June 2021. Have done 9000 miles on it now, long trips and 40 mile commutes 4 times a week. Even rode through a UK winter, and a part from a few nuts with surface corrosion, some paint flaking of one of the exhaust header clamps and a couple of stone chips on the fork legs it has come through winter pretty well. Bike just gets better every time I ride it. Its a definite improvement on the V7III I had. Leaps and bounds better than the 750 Breva I once owned. I call it my T3 for the 21st century.
I am thinking of buying ne myself, but I hear concerning feedback about parts being impossible to get. What is your experience.?
thanks ,,,, thats one of the most calm and cool reviews i have seen,, unrushed and unbiased , do it some more ;;;
Classic bike of 100 year old manufacturer 🇮🇹 great info Scott! Enjoy your summer!
Thank you Steve, enjoy your summer too!!!
take care,
Scott
Great review with all the details about the changes and revisions between the 850 and the 750. One of the best reviews I have seen so far!
No!!….You’ve done it again!!
After your review of the V7iii I went and bought one….. fortunately I’m in love with my Guzzi and I’m keeping her 😂😂
Great review as always 👍
What ever you do don’t try the new v7. I had a v 7iii that I absolutely loved and was stunned just how much better are the v7’s engine, handling and comfort. I traded in my v7lll and couldn’t be happier.
@@bbumble4117 Well now I`m really confused. When I saw the new V7 I was going to trade my V7III in ,even though I love it ,the extra power appealed.
Then I have seen several tests of the new bike that talk of the extra weight ,more vibration and the weird light and clock aren`t improvements to me.
They`ve also gone to a pressed crank instead of the old forged unit .
I had decided to keep the III a while longer.
I suppose I will have to test one .
Though I have heard rumours of a new Guzzi roadster ,presumably using the full V7 engine at 80hp and twin discs up front,
They should always have made a roadster V85 to partner the ADV bike.
@@billycaspersghost7528 I have the v7 special. I like the twin analogue-style clocks, spoked wheels and chrome. A bike has to be shined.
In all honesty, I can’t detect the extra weight. Having run the bike in now - unlike most testers - there is no more vibration. The v7 most certainly has a far better , suspension, handling, tyres and comfort. My problem with most “professional” testers is they seem to judge everything by the standards of their preferred sports bikes, which have more power and electronics than mere mortals like me - especially though who wish to keep their driving licences - could ever use.
I am not an engineer and thus am not qualified to comment on the crank issue. I don’t know what other manufacturers do with comparable bikes but I should be surprised if the amount and way most modestly-powered street bikes will be ridden would ever tax the crank. If someone plans on keeping the bike for 30 years, or never servicing it properly, things might potentially be different but this all sounds a bit theoretical to me. It is far more likely that the electronics - an expensive weak link on all bikes - will give up the ghost first.
I am puzzled by the rumours of a new roadster. I don’t see why Guzzi didn’t do this in the first place if that was their end goal. They must have spent a fortune on designing the v7’s engine, suspension and frame (all of which are completely different to the v7 iii and, for that matter, the v85). The full v85 engine would be overkill and would price the v7 out of the market. It would make more sense for them to develop a much bigger (and thus more expensive) roadster/cruiser that didn’t compete directly with the v7.
At the end of the day, there is no substitute for trying out the bike yourself. We all have different needs and wants, histories and aspirations, and physiques.
@@bbumble4117 I think I would pay a bit more for V85 Roadster as it would need twin discs at least and the full V85 engine has more expensive valve gear and fueling
The new V7 850 engine is a cheap version of the V85 ,it is not that different. Just missing titanium valves ,forged crank and better fueling
If they made a roadster V85 at a couple of K more than the V7 I would buy it.
I agree with you about most testers and that`s why your experience is useful to me.
Most testers have no experience of this type of bike and their ideas of "vibration" and how the bike performs are totally valueless as they are without any context.
I did not see why the 850 should vibrate when Guzzi has made bigger engines and so conclude the problem is with the tester not the bike.
The crank thing was more that I was mystified as to why they did it other than economy.
Beautiful bikes! Only issue I’m seeing on the 850 is that there’s no way to reset the maintenance light without a dealership visit.
what appears to be a full length fender on the rear, it's a miracle. should make cleaning easier. 😃
I have two Guzzis, an Audace and a V7lll Special. Both of them can be shifted fairly silently with some practice. I learned the techniques on Airheads years ago. I also had three Harleys, they were the epitome of clunky shifting. I really am going to like to get a bike somewhat between the two. The Audace is getting a bit heavy in my old age but I would like something a bit heavier than my V7 for touring. A street version of the V85TT would be ideal I think. I have wanted to try a Roamer but nowhere to be found. Maybe this new model may do the trick. Nice review, thanks.
Same is true with Harley's. Once you know and have the "knack", they can be shifted totally silent.
@@rickhibdon11 I was able to shift my Harleys silently and smoothly as well. The initial putting them in gear resulted in a big clank though.
I loved my Moto guzzi . It was a 2016 v7 stone 2 but it got ruined from the huge flood here :( these new ones look amazing . Bigger engine as well . Thanks for this video
Just brought mine home two days ago- thanks for being an influence there!
how is it after 2yrs? Thks
Great break down of the new V7! I've been tempted at times to trade in my 2019 Night Pack for the new 2021. I would love the extra power but I find it extremely difficult given it's my first bike ever and I want to keep it forever. I've developed a special bond with my V7. Could you feel the difference in power increase from the V7 III? I'll wait and see what other variants they come out with. I wonder what the next V7 Racers will look like.
Thank you Gerardo,
Yes, I can tell the difference in power but if you have the V7III, keep it, it's really not worth the money to trade-up to this imho. It is more power but it is also more weight...so it's really a trade off.
take care,
Scott
I ride my SV650 with nothing to prove, but when i get overtaken by a food delivery girl on a Honda Scoopy, i sometimes feel threatened and i have to repass her to teach her a lesson! So, i still unfortunately have something to prove. Nice review, the Guzzi looks cool, love the premium V7 model.
In my opinion, this is such a sexy bike. It looks so unique and is very different from a Harley or Indian motorcycle.
great bike, excellent review! sometimes i really enjoy this relaxed riding style which is nearly impossible on some of the modern bikes out there. thats why i went for the r1250r. not really comparable but also provides this roadster feeling.
The original V7 was we Guzzista call the big block motor.
The same basic architecture right thru to the last Griso and everything in between in all the Cali's, LeMans, Daytonas etc etc.
This current 850 V7 motor, and its gearbox and swing arm design harkens back to the late 70's and the first of the 350 and 500 V35 and V50's, inc the V50 Monza.
We call this engine architecture the small block.
Regards,
Nice review.
Nice countryside, is that PB plate Paderborn by any chance?
A better bike performance-wise, but I think they lose points in the design, less retro and more modern/bland.
Oh to be on a shaft drive bike again with no greasy, crappy chain to grease, adjust. Got to be worth an arm or a leg.
Agreed!
Much easier to enjoy a bike without a chain.
People forget that all v twin shaft drive Guzzis since year Dot, and all airhead Beemers, run a dry clutch direct off the crankshaft, ie at engine speed, just like 99.9% of all cars.
Most motorcycles run a clutch off a gearbox mainshaft with a 2:1 reduction ratio from crank speed.
Big difference, but hence your slow clunky gearchanges.
I call it character and class and longevity.
YES, so true!
What a nice review again of this stunning beauty! MG stands for a century of beauty this year. A motorcycle a child would draw: two wheels, a tank, an engine and an exhaust. So much more beautiful than the 4 Japanese plastic competitors in this class. Scott you should talk your wife into a 2nd hand 1st Gen. V7 Stone or so :-)
Thank you Larry!
Yea, I don't need to talk her into one, she likes the V7s the most out of all the middleweights. "It's the way a motorcycle is supposed to be" is what we both believe and is what Guzzi is and represents in today's tech/modern/gadgets galore world of bikes.
take care,
Scott
I‘m head over heels for the V7 ever since i rode it in march. I really like the Centenario.
Dont know if i can wait till November for the end of season Sales to save a few bucks thought :(
Scott thanks for this review, I've been waiting for you to get a chance to ride this new incarnation of the V7. I think I need to try one.
Better rear suspension, a bit more power but I didn't feel it as much as the numbers say, and I could feel the weight increase.
I bet Rachmaninov never rode such a beautiful machine - though his music is just as beautiful
Love these bikes , your v9 roamer review persuaded me to go GUZZI .
Has it been reliable?
@@1990-t1j Unfortunately not , key transponder and ignition receiver failed to recognise each other.
Dealer was great though in direct contact with the factory in Italy. Hard to diagnose at first but after
two weeks of trying due to parts availability as each component had to come from Italy, they fixed it.
£500.00 later as out of warranty I lost confidence as the replacement parts may well fail again.
Loved the bike and gutted to see it go but felt i had no choice. Lava Red v9 Roamer by the way.
@@user-ei6rr7fk7o That's a shame, EG. i wonder whether that was a one-off. Japanese bike next?
@@1990-t1j I now own a HONDA CB1100RS , and loving it , will always have a soft spot for GUZZIS though.
@@user-ei6rr7fk7o Think that has to do with piaggio's security system. The same thing you experienced, my dad did as well but he had a piaggio x9 500cc scooter. Had to buy a entire new unit and keys because something with the main key failed.
Tangent here sir ....when checking out my( new bike September 2020)...your review honest and believable..did help in my purchase..suzuki vstrom 1050 xt ps love guzzi too...atb dave
I like the special version with the chrome and dual clocks.Like the V85TT too! Thanks Scott!👍👍
Stunning bike. I like its simplicity.
I am disappointed in all the changes from the V7III except for the power. I have a V7III Milano that has dual instruments, tubeless cast wheels and stainless fenders and side panels. Now if you want the latest LED light and tubeless you have to live with flat black everything and one instrument.
My thoughts on appearance. The new hump in the seat to accommodate the longer shocks looks weird and ruins the clean lines. I overcame the poor shocks with aftermarket ones that certainly work and look better than these very angled ones. The euro 5 placement of the oxygen sensors is really ugly, although not quite as bad as on the V85TT. The exhaust system has a pronounced kink also affecting the lines.
From a handling perspective the light weight and narrow rear tire on the old model make it flickable, for a Guzzi that is. Either generation will need fork work, and when done made the V7III into an excellent handing motorcycle. The extra 9 kgs and wider tire and drive necessary with the extra power will not help the handling. I could see living with both if the engine was the complete 850 from the V85, but not for this lessor 850.
I cannot comment on the 850 vibration but will say that over 4000 rpms the V7III is exceptionally smooth. I have much more powerful bikes and can honestly say that I find the V7 power to match well with the total package and not leave me wishing for more.
I've been patiently waiting for this review and I have not been disappointed. Thanks!
I like the CB 1100 in the retro bike class.
They really ought to do a limited run of these in V85TT tune, with late 70's Le Man's livery.
Sell like hot cakes
I have been saying the same thing. It would be a great addition. Maybe next year.
simplicity Italian design, it just works
Thanks for a very nice review. I am picking up my new V7 Stone Grey in two days. Can't wait...
My god, nice video, and The guy can say "Guzzi" properly too.
10/10 to this review, greetings from Italy
Nice film, thanks! Overall do you think it's an improvement over the V7 iii, in particular is the additional power and handling worth the additional weight?
Well, that is where you heard me paus in the video when referring to the weight gain. There is always a trade off and while it was very difficult to feel the extra weight, I did notice it.
Now your question: "an improvement" hmm...well I really have not come to a conclusion on that as of yet. Engine is bigger, smoother, more power, and more fuel efficient, so on that scale it is an improvement. But if you take the V7III, by it's self, well that is still a great bike too 🤨🤔
I love seeing your reviews as they are above all neutral, but very accurate. that's why I trust what you say.
Moto Guzzi, still struggling to return to its late 70's/early 80's performance levels....
I love the asthetics of that particular bike. Orange n black, and the blinkers on the Guage. Logo worked into the running lights... Cool stuff. 😎
I could listen to that bike going through the gears all day long😃😃😃
Thankfully the V7 looks more 'substantial' as a motorcycle and yes finally...more power! Great review!
Great work Scott I really like your style. Something on this video was telling me that you preferred the old model but that may be me reading in between the lines.
Hmm...my wife said the same thing to me. Are we married? 🤣🤣🤣
Not sure if I'd fit on that bike, but it is so gorgeous. As you're talking about clunky shifting, axial mounted brakes, etc., I sit here mesmerized just staring at the thing. Now I want one. :)
Nice, but I think the classic version is perfect. Reminds me o the T3 I nearly bought all those years ago.
Scott, I'm in the market for either this bike or a Royal Enfield Continental. Which is better?
Not only two thumbs up for the bike two thumbs up for the review excellent!! Going to demo one of these bikes this week coming up thanks again!
The strange thing is dat this shifts so easy and quite unlike my GS. With the Gs you can have clunks like the gearbox has left the engine.
Cool informative review and excellent videography. Thanks for posting
Nice review & I really like this bike. What a great colour too. It's the essence of biking, just cruising along without a care in the the world. Hope to have one in my garage later this year or maybe next.
Wonderful video, thank you. I just purchased the Centenario livery and love it. Unfortunately, here in the U.S. we got stuck with the big ugly turn signals. As soon as I can find a set of the slim Euro signals I'm going to swap them out. Ride safe.
Is it legal switching them?
@@younicbic I'm not sure if they are legal or not, however, there are many aftermarket turn signals available here in the U.S. that are much smaller than these would be. As long as they work properly I would not anticipate having any legal issues using them.
Nice bike and an excellent review as always.
What is better? This or a Royal Enfield 650?
What about fuel economy is it like street twin 900?
As always great review sir. Eagerly waiting for the z900 2021 review
I got a RE Continental GT 650 instead of one of these because there's no Moto Guzzi network anywhere around me, but I can't stop lusting after this.
Being a multi Guzzi owner in aus I would take it further and state it’s not how close the dealers are but rather how poorly the importer stocks parts if at all and how long they take to bring them in. The latter is what would worry me on a serious long trip with anything failing or becoming damaged.
The importer in aus is Peter Steven’s and all the bike shops shriek when talking about their poor service. Ultimately it’s a failing from piaggio for not paying attention to their dealers and ensuring they meet some minimum expectation of service.
I’ve probably done 10,000km, on 4 Guzzis I the past 33 months, and mechanically they have been flawless. Only had a couple of qc issues ie the badges and some manufacturing process failure with something on inside of Speedo glass, all sorted under warranty tho, after waiting months for pathetic Peter Steven’s to bring the parts in.
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerka Absolitely. The part I didn't mention was that the dealer who sold me the RE told me they used to sell moto guzzis too, but the wait times on parts led to so many complaints that it was hurting business. He said the final straw was when they had to wait 8 months (the entire riding season) waiting on some simple but crucial part to arrive.
Excellent review as usual… I noticed your right heel looks as if it scraped away some of the black finish on the right tailpipe… is at that an issue with the redesigned pipes they are more of an upswing.. would be interested to hear your take on this cheers still loving your videos and your video style
Na, that was just mud/dirt from the bottom of my boot from when I was trying to shoot a cinematic intro. 😆
Nice review, own a v7III, There fun ,nimble, low maintenance bikes, decent handling, great for backroads or a second bike, I just think after a while of owning they do get boring, no wind protection, the power gets boring to. Suspension is extremely basic,, rides pretty stiff, it's still a great second bike to a goldwing or a a ultra, it is also a very small bike. They dont keep to much resale value if u plan on selling a year or to later, there not really in demand , Not much room if ur tall. Just something about them that keeps me coming back, reminds me of a bmw 1976 r75/5 with modern technology, review is spot on!
Thank you for your feed back. It's always great when we hear from actual owners of the bike!
Take care,
Scott
I have had a 2015 V7 II Stone. From its design I like this old version the most. Classic two clocks, more beautiful tank cap, the chrome exhaust, classic headlight.
But I suppose that the riding on this new version is much better. Some extra power and much better suspension.
The suspension of the II Stone was quite harsh.
The V7 is still one of my favorites for this type of bike.
Can you comfortably travel longer distanses on this V7 like for exaple from UK to the south of France, or the only Guzzi really suitable for this kind of trip is V85TT?
Of course you can.
Dont be silly.
Its what everyone did before motorcycles were categorised and put into little boxes, cant do this, but can do this.
They can do everything.
A V7 is prolly no worse than the V85TT for 90% of off road work that the average TT owner puts it through.
It really depends on what you are looking for in a ride. Wind protection or not, it's the same motor but different chassis. You can ride either one around the world, it just depends on how much luxury you want 😁👍
I bought a late V7III at a big discount. I love the bike so much it is impossible to imagine trading it in for the new version.
Should I I trade it in for the new version?
No, keep it, a Guzzi is much like a relationship that a son has with his father. Reminds me of a quote by a famous American: "A son can only return the love that was first shown to him by his father" by Robert LeRoy Parker a.k.a. Butch Cassidy
The more love you give it, the more love it gives back 😁👍
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve I am taking your advice. I just test rode the new model and was unsettled ,it just wasn`t my Guzzi.
I can list of the technical points.
The fueling seems glithchy ,the greater power seems absorbed by the weight or just wasn`t a great enough increase to bother with.
They have done something to reduce the low rev torque reaction ,"head shake" and I do not see why ..Guzzi riders know and accept it.
It did not have as much low down feel to me ,, I expect figures may prove otherwise but it did not feel as meaty ,torquey and substantial .Lighter crank?
But the bottom line is "my " Guzzi still holds my heart and this new jezebel was just a passing foolishness.
21' Roamer or V7 850 ?
Thanks for another helpful review!!!
Can you elaborate on the differences around the 'feel' of the 2021 850 V7 vs. the 2021 V85 TT ? Thank you.
Well, there is really not much difference between the two. Sound, feel: same, the only difference is the V85 has power, now that is noticeable.
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Thanks, Scott. Would the V85 TT be equal or similar to the V7 in around town riding / city commuting?
Beautiful
Great review, love your style!
X-cell-ent review. Thank you. Very thorough. I riders perspective, not just stats/specs/top speed/zero to 60.
That shifting will improve with miles. At 5,000 it will be much smoother and improve until about 15,000 miles
Quando si accende la V7 Stone 2021 vibrano manopole e serbatoio in modo evidente. Poi in marcia diminuiscono le vibrazioni. Questa caratteristica è tipica dei bicilindrici a V. Chi è del Mondo Harley ne sa qualcosa. Quindi chi è abituato ai bicilindrici in linea oppure ai quattro cilindri in linea ha un impatto non banale alla prima guida. E' comunque una caratteristica del Mondo Guzzi. Chi entra nel Mondo Guzzi deve tener conto di questo e considerare tale caratteristica come un segno distintivo. In qualche modo un valore caratterizzante. In merito alla trasmissione cardanica invece di quella catena occorre fare attenzione ad evitare accelerate ON-OFF. In altre parole chi è abituato alla trasmissione a catena non deve accelerare in modo molto brusco (ON-OFF) altrimenti può fare male nel tempo alla trasmissione (l'accelerazione deve essere "accompagnata"). Tutte caratteristiche da tener conto e che fanno parte di un grande mondo, il Mondo Guzzi, Alessandro
The bike is handsome but the passenger seat looks very uncomfortable for a lengthy ride. I love Guzzi bikes, love the looks and sounds. My take is when buying a cycle it must fit you like a glove and if not walk away or even don't even mount one. Peace.
Good review .
I like retro bikes, I have a RE 500 classic and a 650 Interceptor. I like Italian styling, I have a Vespa and a Piaggio MP3 500. I use my bikes for weekend riding on the back roads of Oregon and occasionally for a 62 mile commute to work. I have made longer, touring rides on my Piaggio. I have a few years experience but don't consider myself an overly skilled rider. Is this a bike I could replace my other bikes with? Is it comfortable enough to cruise the freeway at 70 MPH yet fun enough to do my weekend scoots with? Is this THE bike? My only real concern is the fact that the closest dealer is 237 miles away.
I really enjoyed watching your review, nothing to prove is great title of your channel. Definitely give you thumbs up and click sub 👍 years ago I owned MG 1200 Sport and in near future will come back to this amazing brand with Italian soul….would be V7S or 85TT
And the Special uses tubed bias plys because of the spoke wheels... Sigh... BMW spoke wheels accept tubeless, which means radials, not bias plys.
I've had 3 Guzzi's. All have been truly terrible reliability wise. If they made another reliable looking 1000 roadster I would none the less consider one. For now its a BMW R Nine T though. Similar vibe of bike.
Nice review, thank you. I like the bike a lot. Just prefer a full front fender, which I find necessary for touring in rainy weather. Just not sure how it would look.
I've owned a couple of Guzzi's and, yes, they are a very nice cruiser with torque at low rpm's. I have to disagree about riding a Guzzi aggressively. If you wind it up in the 5-6500 rpm it's sound and it's behavior is a completely different machine. From cruiser to hot rod.
I'm extremely tempted to swap my Monster 800ie for the Guzzi V7. Although, I wish the Griso were still available.
Great review. 👍
Picking up the V 7, very nice collection with my Harley Hertaige and Triumph Speed Triple..
I have the V7III 750 it has more than enough power (how often do you use all the power of a bike anyway?) not sure the extra weight/power is actually required in the real world but that’s marketing for you! Love the colour and the new shocks though.
Love your channel, can you please review the Kawasaki meguro k3, it maybe difficult to get your hands on one, I'm tossing between the new V7 & meguro k3.
You get the clunk on gear change just like a Beemer, it is caused by the engine speed clutch - all the motorcycles with a seperate clutch runs at half engine speed.
Good video! I’ve really come to love Guzzi and the V7 is the bike I want from them, specifically in this color!
This is not my kind of motorcycle, but I gladly own it for a year.
Also I would take the standard version over the special.
Great review.
Shock I get it but 750 was already awesome upgrade to 850 dont seem necessary. Just my opinion tho
What’s the average temp in the summer by you? Too hot here looking for ideal motorcycling climates across the world
Loved this video ,im deaf 70 pc ,aged 69 the pace was perfect and the detail spot on WOW thank you
Wish it still had analog gauges
The Special still does 😁👍
@@NothingToProve oh, nice! Good to know, thanks
Nice 👍🏻
It would constantly bug me that the gage is off center. WTH !
Moto Guzzis aren't perfect, but they have a certain appeal.
I put Sato Racing rear sets on my V7III and it totally changed the shifting.
Summer testing would be interesting.... in town I feel it would get hot.....but.....
Under bar mirrors a termi and that back fender off andd that bike would look sick
Have had four Guzzi`s through the years and loved them all. Especially my 1969 Ambassador 750. Good video, thanks.
Just can't wait for the new V100,must have one🤩