I saw George sitting with a chap at our local shooting range. As I passed I asked him if he had come for a lesson. He smiled and laughed, and told me who his guest was. Very nice chap
The bigweed, the man is living legend for sure, such a calm gentle approach to the sport can only imagine how much one would be able to pick up from him, in a world of champion/coaches who overcook details he is a pleasure
Two Legends together, George and Johnny, one for being the greatest shotgun shooter and one for being the greatest talker about it. Keep talking Johnny, like George you’re world class in your field.
George and Jonny next to each other is like a pair of fun house mirrors, love you both but think the part of my brain that has spatial awareness just started a stroke 🤣🤣🤣
Can you please do a video about patterning? Something like this: •Talk about process of patterning •Plate versus paper (I've never seen plate before) • pattern a few shotguns, I don't know three. Using a few different rounds, three again. • compare results
Several people have made comments regarding the term ‘lower class’. To which, I believe there was no bad intention. In the US, shooters of different abilities are ranked in classes according to their shooting abilities and accomplishments. Those of similar abilities are ranked in the same class and compete against each other in Sporting Clays tournaments. The classes naturally descend from the top to the lower classes. This is the way I interpreted the comment.
lots of folks here (USA) run open emitter red dots in pistol copetition, I feel like some of these open emitter red dots with thin edges could be perfect for this use case Aimpoint has shown, a vortex viper would work great I think, or something simmilar
I have a Vortex on my turkey gun. Threw a steel choke in it and took it to the goose blind. 1 shot kills 20 yards past where I normally would miss. I like red dots on far away big targets but not for stuff less than 40 yards. I had a couple mallards come in at 25 yards and out and I missed both with 3 shots with that red dot.
I'm a Murrican who does competitive pistol shooting with a red dot on the gun, and I still found this video informative. It's common knowledge here you don't focus on the dot, easier said than done of course. Good video gents. Seems all the best shooters world wide in different sports come to the same conclusions. Shooting is shooting.
I’ve not yet watched the video but I imagine that Mr Digweed must have been humbled to be in the presence of the greatest shot in the world. I’m sure he learned a few tricks from Jonny
@@tgsoutdoors well in case you start getting a a big head... Just remember that the world is giving you natural enemies; the first that come to mind are low hanging door faces and the sun. Ha
Really nice to see, I've been using the S1 for a number of years now. I started using it mostly because I like challenges, but definitely see an advantage in certain situations, especially shooting where my mobility is limited, for example shooting from a blind. However, I always use some form of Com raiser to get good cheek contact. As you say, it takes a lot of shooting to drop the concentration on the red dot, and instead use it as a reference. There are some films on My UA-cam channel "Barrborns Jakt & Naturfilm" where I use the S1, mainly on blackbird hunts. "Unfortunately only in Swedish" but I shoot in English" 😎😎 Sincerely Roger Barrborn
As I only been shooting a couple of years now. I don't presume to really know a lot about the best way to shoot a shotgun. But ultimately that thing looks about as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Seems to go against everything about not aiming a shotgun. But still a great video lovely to see sir digweed. More please.
I’ve been competing in IPSC pistol/shotgun for years. I’ve used optics in multiple division. Only recently I got into shooting clays. This video blows my mind. On the one hand these guys are at least a decade behind shooting with dots. On the other hand, that old school tradition caught my interest and got me into clay shooting. FYI: using a dot properly you need to do everything as you would have if it wasn’t there. All you are adding is the dot by “occluding” it. In essence you are superimposing the dot into your vision while focusing on the target/clay. The dot shows you where your shot will go. Great training aid and I’m shocked it hasn’t caught on yet. I certainly will try it. Aimpoint is the first company that I know of that makes red dot that can be mounted on an o/u. Aimpoint makes fantastic products , I highly recommend them. Just use Duracell batteries for them. They are superior to other batteries. Good luck. 👍🏻
This would seem to be a perfect solution for someone who shoots off their weak eye side. Other than that, I don't see a big advantage but then I've never tried it. Won't diss it without trying it!
It's sorta similar to using a red dot on a pistol or rifle. To use them correctly, you hard focus on the target then let the red dot cover the target and pull the trigger. Obviously, if you can't see the dot, it's either off or you're not in line.
Really glad to see this, I've been struggling running HP steel down my M2, it now shoots high and right (I'm left handed), as I'm primarily a rifle shooter not having the shot line up with rib and bead really does my head in, instead of messing around with the shims brought a cheepo (£25) fibre red dot off ebay to see if it works for me, and it does, now I need to invest in a better quality item knowing that even the likes of George Digweed sees a place for it.
@@K80Ed It is to some extent, in that if I was to adjust shims it might align, but it doesn't alter the fact that on steel it shoots high and right compared to lead, this has been commented on before, but never seen an answer, my best guess is the 'kick' from using HP steel is more noticeable. My answer is to put a red dot on when using steel, and take it off for lead.
An open pistol type red dot seems like a much better way to do this. I also think the dot concept would really shine for new shooters because it is easier to learn to focus on the target using a dot vs a bead and because you HAVE to mount the gun correctly to see the dot. On moving targets with a rifle or a shotgun I have mostly seen people miss high. I’ve found it much easier to hit moving deer with a red dot than with irons or a traditional rifle optic. Am I missing anything? I am considering the new Mossberg optic ready 590 as first shotgun for my kids.
Wow I'd imagine alot of traditional shooters will poo poo it, but I would love to try one. The price is a bit trumpy though. Great vid by the way. May I just ask your advice, my son has just finished dressing the woodwork on my lincoln number 2 the grain on the forend is outstanding my question is do I get it re-checkerd or not ? Regards phil pinkney
It looks like you could use that to check mount, and only turn the laser on once someone says they've mounted so they can see how far they're off. Fun video, I wonder if it's like shotkam that it isn't much of a game changer or if this could really help beginners and instructors. Time will tell!
if a red dot is close to your eye you can open both eyes and you will see the dot plainly floating in open space and you dont have to be perfectly aligned the dot is still point of aim ive never used one on a shotgun but i can see how it would really be helpful that long thorne shotgun is absolutely beautiful
Now try the same experiment with a Trijicon RMR. I love my Aimpoint but I wouldn't want to shoot clays looking through its tube halfway down the barrel of a shotgun.
Like Mr. Digweed I don't really see my shotgun or as he said, it's an invisible gun. I don't know if I would like this or not, but I'd try it. Well done, great to see Mr. Digweed.
Ive had the S1 for a few years now. I tried but I've taken it off. Probably I need to spend a few hours putting in a couple of hundred cartridges through my guns. I hunt with the Aimpoint H2 for years on the rifles. The issue it blocks my periphery, adds weight as I already have a shotkam and the worst thing is hunting in the rain with glasses. I've got water on the glasses and water on the aimpoint. The only way to hit anything is to use the force because I sure can't see anything.
I would love to give one of these a go I tend to shoot maintained lead with a lot of speed a lot and looking for the gap is the method I use but as George says it’s the off line issue that catches a 50% of people out it probably wouldn’t take a lot of getting use to it would be interesting to pair one with a shotcam to get a true perspective of your lead/ sight picture and line.
@@welditmick yes but for those who don’t want a coach or need one these are fun items to have there’s no hard in running a shotkam and i can see this aiding in a similar way there not just for teaching field sports britton have done a few videos using them on game too
Interestingly, as I learned to use this and hard focus on the target properly with both eyes open, the unit getting in the way became much less of an issue
Got one, don’t like it for clays due to obstructed vision and the need to have your head higher, which would take some unlearning. Could definitely see it being useful if you wanted to use slugs on pigs or deer, but I have a rifle for that. It currently resides on my astrophotography telescope, where it makes a great spotter.
I would love to see how a pistol style red dot works. I have transitioned to that on my PCC and the lack of the tube makes the sight picture less obstructed. I don’t know how well a pistol red dot will handle the recoil from a shotgun.
that just kinda shows you're still focused on the dot, which you shouldn't be. I have an aimpoint pro with those tall scope caps and have had zero issues regarding the tube or obstructed vision because the focus is and should be on the target.
There may be some applications for this red dot, but it’s not for me. In my opinion, with my shooting ability, I’d have to relearn how to shoot with a restricted vision. It seems to me it’s more of a restriction than an enhancement.
Don't even get me started on the adjustment process shooting with a fibre optic bead. I've now nailed it and doing well, but it was very distracting at first.
It is at first, because most people are focused on the front sight, so naturally they will focus on the big body of the optic. However, you learn to see through the gun/optic, and you focus on the target instead. Quite frankly, for practical applications, you don't really NEED a dot on your gun, it's more so for performance based shooters, or those with very bad eye sight, or those who just plainly like/want the dot. But not a necessity.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems Quite frankly, I was taught proper sight alignment and sight picture at a young age, about the age of 5. I have never had a problem with any type of arm and was a weapons instructor in the military for 24 years in someway or other and am just as deadly with archery equipment. It has occurred to me that most people who use these types of optics are actually trying to mimic what they see in movies or are attempting to make up for poor shooting habits. If one takes the time to practice proper shooting techniques they, more often than not, will become a natural/instinctive shooter, but many will not dedicate that time or seek out a shooting coach.
@@richardkramer1094 I agree with you for the most part. I remember taking an iron sighted M16A4 out to 500 yards when I was in the service, and all that was possible not because of the sighting system on my rifle, but because of proper fundamentals, skills, and technique. And I would also agree with you, that most shooters who are strapping on red dots to their firearms don't even know why, they just see others do it and they try to follow suit. Despite my time in the military, I am primarily a competition pistol shooter/instructor so I can only really speak from a handgun perspective. Pretty much anything you can do with a red dot, you can do with irons, on that we agree. However, you can do it a BIT faster with a red dot. In competition shooting, there's usually an iron sighted division and a red dot equipped division, and partly it's because the red dot divisions tend to achieve higher scores, even if by the smallest margin, which means the red dot is a statistically proven advantage. Of course, this "advantage" only matters among the top competitive shooters who win by milliseconds or millimeters. For the average joe I would consider it a disadvantage because most gun owners won't put the time or effort to learn the dot, which requires a bit of dedication to become proficient with. Even for an above average joe, the red dot won't make him a better shooter, the same way me slapping on a red dot on my Silver Pidgeon II won't put me anywhere near the guys in this video since I'm fairly new to skeet/trap/sporting clays. Fact is though, all the younger generations are moving to dots, and that seems to be the way of the future. As an instructor, I took up the dot and learned it well because I wanted to be able to teach my younger students who come to the class with dots on their handguns.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems I can say I’ve never really been into competition, not a fan of Dick measuring contests. But, some years ago a friend talked me into shooting IDPA. Funny story, the first meet I shot with my Kimber Pro .45 and got ‘most accurate shooter’, the second meet I shot my CZ-75 and took the meet. That’s all the competition I’ve done, I prefer to compete against myself. I actually don’t really use the sights or if I do I use them a just a guide. The pistols I own all fit my hand and point instinctively, more of an extension of my hand. My CZ-P10C is probably the best pistol I’ve ever owned and has had somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 rounds through it without a hitch. When the cards are down it’s not so much the speed, it’s the accuracy. Speed will come in time if you focus on accuracy and good shooting discipline. I don’t like my arms to be encumbered by gadgets and gizmos, I want them to fit my hand or they are simply worthless to me, no matter the cost. I am now a custom gunsmith/custom rifle maker/firearms engraver and I absolute love my work and at 62 I doubt I’ll ever retire completely. To build a highly accurate bespoke hunting rifle for someone else to use and enjoy I find to be the greatest enjoyment anyone can achieve. So, I too am a big game hunter and it is useful in my business. Still, the goal is simple but accurate…even though I’d much rather hunt with a bow. Great conversation! Take care.
So, we've removed the beads from the ends of our barrels because we dont need them and in some cases are a distraction. And now were sticking a red dot on them? I'm a little miffed at the idea unless you want a faster target aquisition on static targets which are not clays flying through the air. So why not stick a fiber optic sight on the end, save some swing weight and a bit of money?
This may not be the best for birds, but it would be *very* good for the deer hunters in my area. Shotgun with slugs are legal here, but not rifle -- you would have to drive 100 miles south-east for that.
@Jonny How much of the difference in your experience of the position of the sight is related to where you normally have the ShotKam located when filming???
My grandpa is a hunter and he is moving well with the times when it comes to hunting he got a thermal optic the moment it was allowed and he had a red dot on his shotgun well before i knew what guns were
you don't see red dots going very far? they've pretty much completely taken over iron sights. THAT BEING SAID, I do think it's also powered by consumerism, and it being somewhat of a fad.
So basically it helps because it forces a decent sight picture not because of the tech. A wire sight in a pipe that constricted your' sight picture would do the same thing?
Jonny, kudos to you for trying something new… but for me the red dot is a non starter. It looks awful on the gun, and it distracts from focus on the target. P. Pappous, SoCal, USA.
if you struggle to get the lead in then bring the sight closer, you cant knock aimpoint on that, if the dot becomes all blurry and too big then that's a point of criticism i use red dots for airsoft, it has its own learning curve: you cant expect it to immediately translate to clays also, its disallowed in cpsa so whats the point of this?
Thanks TGS. Good day. See you soon.
I know you must be a busy man George but please get on youtube more if possible. Its great to learn from you and seeing you shoot...unbelievable!
Love your shooting George The King is King after all no missing all-day
You are super humble. Stay that way mate. Thanks for teaching me a few things.
Been years since I’ve see George Digweed the man is a legend
Thanks for sharing him with us
Awesome wish he would return to UA-cam
Isnt dead yet? Considering the obese stuff....
I saw George sitting with a chap at our local shooting range. As I passed I asked him if he had come for a lesson. He smiled and laughed, and told me who his guest was. Very nice chap
Good to see George out showing us why he is the boss, we don't see the man often enough.
Hope to see you guys at the Game Fair.
All the Best.
The bigweed, the man is living legend for sure, such a calm gentle approach to the sport can only imagine how much one would be able to pick up from him, in a world of champion/coaches who overcook details he is a pleasure
Two Legends together, George and Johnny, one for being the greatest shotgun shooter and one for being the greatest talker about it. Keep talking Johnny, like George you’re world class in your field.
Two legends? was Richard Fauld`s there too??
there is only one george legend.
Digweed is the legend of hitting the clay, the other shooter is as legend of mouth diarea
I love the way everyone in this video handles the firearm. No safety concerns here,all personals.
Well done!
Its incredible seeing how he approaches shooting as a whole. That man is a legend. Thanks for this!
It’s amazing how spending time around someone at the top of their game can really help improve your performance.
George is king, because he knows all and understands all that is needed.
George and Jonny next to each other is like a pair of fun house mirrors, love you both but think the part of my brain that has spatial awareness just started a stroke 🤣🤣🤣
😊😊😊
Can you please do a video about patterning?
Something like this:
•Talk about process of patterning
•Plate versus paper (I've never seen plate before)
• pattern a few shotguns, I don't know three. Using a few different rounds, three again.
• compare results
George goes to town with cigar and all. George Digweed is a legend. I wish I had 50% of his skills.
Several people have made comments regarding the term ‘lower class’. To which, I believe there was no bad intention. In the US, shooters of different abilities are ranked in classes according to their shooting abilities and accomplishments. Those of similar abilities are ranked in the same class and compete against each other in Sporting Clays tournaments. The classes naturally descend from the top to the lower classes. This is the way I interpreted the comment.
In shooting sports, you have D class, C class, B class, A class etc.
CPSA/world competition classes are catagorised as: AAA, AA, A, B, C, D
I went to primary school with both of the digweeds unbelievable story's they both have to tell good luck to them both Hastings lads
George is the greatest, and a great analyst and coach!
One brother the best target shooter in the world, the other the best DJ in the world. Talented family.
lots of folks here (USA) run open emitter red dots in pistol copetition, I feel like some of these open emitter red dots with thin edges could be perfect for this use case Aimpoint has shown, a vortex viper would work great I think, or something simmilar
I have a Vortex on my turkey gun. Threw a steel choke in it and took it to the goose blind. 1 shot kills 20 yards past where I normally would miss. I like red dots on far away big targets but not for stuff less than 40 yards. I had a couple mallards come in at 25 yards and out and I missed both with 3 shots with that red dot.
Great vid, chaps. Great to see Digweed and TGS. We need more of Mark Heath too - great instructor and top man.
I'm a Murrican who does competitive pistol shooting with a red dot on the gun, and I still found this video informative. It's common knowledge here you don't focus on the dot, easier said than done of course. Good video gents. Seems all the best shooters world wide in different sports come to the same conclusions. Shooting is shooting.
Digweed, absolute legend
Shooting clays with dots is a trip. I very much had to change up what I was trying to see. Whole new world, but interesting potential.
That different !
Anything that help is a winner winner for me 👍
Nice one TGS for getting George Digweed on you channel
Very cool, looks like a great product. And I'm sitting here experiencing a new level of envy over the chance to spend a day shooting with George.
George ends up giving lessons. Excellent!
Great video, good to know George was very honest about it's utility.
Add the aimpoint and the shotcam it’s going to look like a military weapon and handle most likely like a broom. But I’m game.
Haha
@@John-uo1qf it would be interesting to see. Are you planning on trying it with the shotkam?
Laughing at the "Lower Classes" constantly being mentioned and Johnny trying to rephrase it each time :)
It wasn't a reference to social status. Simply refers to the professional through to amateur classes of shooting.
I’ve been using a red dot on the pigeon semi auto for years now and wouldn’t be without it now, great to see new interest in the idea
What a fantastic video guys great to see the master at work!!👌👊
I’ve not yet watched the video but I imagine that Mr Digweed must have been humbled to be in the presence of the greatest shot in the world. I’m sure he learned a few tricks from Jonny
I read the name... There's zero down in my mind this is Johnny being his own hype man. Haha
@@matthewdeepblue we wish the mystery was that simple!
@@tgsoutdoors well in case you start getting a a big head... Just remember that the world is giving you natural enemies; the first that come to mind are low hanging door faces and the sun. Ha
@@tgsoutdoors It's got to be Ant 🤣
Really nice to see, I've been using the S1 for a number of years now.
I started using it mostly because I like challenges, but definitely see an advantage in certain situations, especially shooting where my mobility is limited, for example shooting from a blind.
However, I always use some form of Com raiser to get good cheek contact.
As you say, it takes a lot of shooting to drop the concentration on the red dot, and instead use it as a reference.
There are some films on My UA-cam channel "Barrborns Jakt & Naturfilm"
where I use the S1, mainly on blackbird hunts.
"Unfortunately only in Swedish" but I shoot in English" 😎😎
Sincerely
Roger Barrborn
I haven’t seen George for years on UA-cam he’s looking well
Amazing bit of kit, and to watch and listen to George working it out and helping you all is awesome. Another great video on a great bit of kit. Cheers
As I only been shooting a couple of years now. I don't presume to really know a lot about the best way to shoot a shotgun. But ultimately that thing looks about as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Seems to go against everything about not aiming a shotgun. But still a great video lovely to see sir digweed. More please.
I’ve been competing in IPSC pistol/shotgun for years. I’ve used optics in multiple division. Only recently I got into shooting clays. This video blows my mind. On the one hand these guys are at least a decade behind shooting with dots. On the other hand, that old school tradition caught my interest and got me into clay shooting. FYI: using a dot properly you need to do everything as you would have if it wasn’t there. All you are adding is the dot by “occluding” it. In essence you are superimposing the dot into your vision while focusing on the target/clay. The dot shows you where your shot will go. Great training aid and I’m shocked it hasn’t caught on yet. I certainly will try it. Aimpoint is the first company that I know of that makes red dot that can be mounted on an o/u. Aimpoint makes fantastic products , I highly recommend them. Just use Duracell batteries for them. They are superior to other batteries. Good luck. 👍🏻
Awesome video, like always. It would be good to see a video on shooters who are cross-eye dominant.
This would seem to be a perfect solution for someone who shoots off their weak eye side. Other than that, I don't see a big advantage but then I've never tried it. Won't diss it without trying it!
Good product for shotguns used in turkey hunting here in the USA 🦃🦃
Great to see the best in the world at work! 😃
*fudds discover technology from 40 years ago*
hahahah, that's really british
@@superspeederbooster can you articulate what's "british" about calling someone a fudd?
They aren't even fudds lmao
@@czcccc9627 they are
You act as though they said there was a benefit to this shit gimmick to anyone who already knows how to shoot…
A very interesting video. I use a red dot when practical shooting, both PSG and rifle so would be interested to see it in clays.
Great to see George still nocking targets into dust. IVE tried to watch every video with him shooting or hunting . Super shooter id say .
Great video guys 👍 Proof of the pudding, it definitely works!
George is great and Johnny is absolutely perfectly in loine
George was first in the buffet queue too 🤣🤣
It's sorta similar to using a red dot on a pistol or rifle. To use them correctly, you hard focus on the target then let the red dot cover the target and pull the trigger.
Obviously, if you can't see the dot, it's either off or you're not in line.
Really glad to see this, I've been struggling running HP steel down my M2, it now shoots high and right (I'm left handed), as I'm primarily a rifle shooter not having the shot line up with rib and bead really does my head in, instead of messing around with the shims brought a cheepo (£25) fibre red dot off ebay to see if it works for me, and it does, now I need to invest in a better quality item knowing that even the likes of George Digweed sees a place for it.
That sounds more of a gunfit issue
@@K80Ed It is to some extent, in that if I was to adjust shims it might align, but it doesn't alter the fact that on steel it shoots high and right compared to lead, this has been commented on before, but never seen an answer, my best guess is the 'kick' from using HP steel is more noticeable. My answer is to put a red dot on when using steel, and take it off for lead.
An open pistol type red dot seems like a much better way to do this. I also think the dot concept would really shine for new shooters because it is easier to learn to focus on the target using a dot vs a bead and because you HAVE to mount the gun correctly to see the dot.
On moving targets with a rifle or a shotgun I have mostly seen people miss high. I’ve found it much easier to hit moving deer with a red dot than with irons or a traditional rifle optic.
Am I missing anything? I am considering the new Mossberg optic ready 590 as first shotgun for my kids.
Wow I'd imagine alot of traditional shooters will poo poo it, but I would love to try one. The price is a bit trumpy though. Great vid by the way. May I just ask your advice, my son has just finished dressing the woodwork on my lincoln number 2 the grain on the forend is outstanding my question is do I get it re-checkerd or not ?
Regards phil pinkney
It looks like you could use that to check mount, and only turn the laser on once someone says they've mounted so they can see how far they're off.
Fun video, I wonder if it's like shotkam that it isn't much of a game changer or if this could really help beginners and instructors. Time will tell!
ahhh i love my aimpoint s1! euro sports obsession with banning red dots always drove me crazy
if a red dot is close to your eye you can open both eyes and you will see the dot plainly floating in open space and you dont have to be perfectly aligned the dot is still point of aim ive never used one on a shotgun but i can see how it would really be helpful that long thorne shotgun is absolutely beautiful
Now try the same experiment with a Trijicon RMR. I love my Aimpoint but I wouldn't want to shoot clays looking through its tube halfway down the barrel of a shotgun.
Such beautiful guns
Like Mr. Digweed I don't really see my shotgun or as he said, it's an invisible gun. I don't know if I would like this or not, but I'd try it.
Well done, great to see Mr. Digweed.
Brilliant video!
Ive had the S1 for a few years now. I tried but I've taken it off. Probably I need to spend a few hours putting in a couple of hundred cartridges through my guns. I hunt with the Aimpoint H2 for years on the rifles. The issue it blocks my periphery, adds weight as I already have a shotkam and the worst thing is hunting in the rain with glasses. I've got water on the glasses and water on the aimpoint. The only way to hit anything is to use the force because I sure can't see anything.
I would love to give one of these a go I tend to shoot maintained lead with a lot of speed a lot and looking for the gap is the method I use but as George says it’s the off line issue that catches a 50% of people out it probably wouldn’t take a lot of getting use to it would be interesting to pair one with a shotcam to get a true perspective of your lead/ sight picture and line.
A decent coach should be able to tell you where you are going wrong and far cheaper than buying these items.
@@welditmick yes but for those who don’t want a coach or need one these are fun items to have there’s no hard in running a shotkam and i can see this aiding in a similar way there not just for teaching field sports britton have done a few videos using them on game too
@@dave_724 what exactly does the "off line issue" entail here? I'm kind of confused about that subject.
Great Video 💯 Thank You TGS 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Jonny’s gun is so beautiful you lose focus on how talented George is! Haha!
Thanks for sharing!
I’ve got a T2 sitting on my AUG. Might have to move it over to the O/U and try this out.
How about a comparison with a reflex sight, I reckon the reflex style would improve the visual pick up due to less obstruction.
Interestingly, as I learned to use this and hard focus on the target properly with both eyes open, the unit getting in the way became much less of an issue
Got one, don’t like it for clays due to obstructed vision and the need to have your head higher, which would take some unlearning.
Could definitely see it being useful if you wanted to use slugs on pigs or deer, but I have a rifle for that.
It currently resides on my astrophotography telescope, where it makes a great spotter.
I use vortex red dot on my semi-auto and give me so much advantage when hunting. I just look at the object and the dot appears automatically.
Should take one of these sights to Geoff or Andy and see how it affects something like pigeon shooting
Can aim point comment on why not make the housing as translucent as possible. Why not clear material or as opaque as possible.?
I use flip up sights on my home defense shot gun. Red dot is good too. Where they have the red dot mounted looks weird
It’s like watching the British Jerry Miculek. Big Top Gear American/British Stig vibes.
Would an open reflex improve the sight picture?
All pocket pistols should have a red dot or a scope. It’s the progression we are headed. My curb feelers have red dots.
Lower class and proud ❤
I would love to see how a pistol style red dot works. I have transitioned to that on my PCC and the lack of the tube makes the sight picture less obstructed. I don’t know how well a pistol red dot will handle the recoil from a shotgun.
They have been used on shotguns for practical for years, and the technology is over 30 years old, so plenty of time to iron out reliability problems.
that just kinda shows you're still focused on the dot, which you shouldn't be. I have an aimpoint pro with those tall scope caps and have had zero issues regarding the tube or obstructed vision because the focus is and should be on the target.
Is it really much different than using the bead? (Popcorn at the ready)
hum mt very interesting product great vid m.
Would a green dot be better to distinguish dot from clay?
There may be some applications for this red dot, but it’s not for me. In my opinion, with my shooting ability, I’d have to relearn how to shoot with a restricted vision. It seems to me it’s more of a restriction than an enhancement.
Don't even get me started on the adjustment process shooting with a fibre optic bead. I've now nailed it and doing well, but it was very distracting at first.
It is at first, because most people are focused on the front sight, so naturally they will focus on the big body of the optic. However, you learn to see through the gun/optic, and you focus on the target instead. Quite frankly, for practical applications, you don't really NEED a dot on your gun, it's more so for performance based shooters, or those with very bad eye sight, or those who just plainly like/want the dot. But not a necessity.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems Quite frankly, I was taught proper sight alignment and sight picture at a young age, about the age of 5. I have never had a problem with any type of arm and was a weapons instructor in the military for 24 years in someway or other and am just as deadly with archery equipment. It has occurred to me that most people who use these types of optics are actually trying to mimic what they see in movies or are attempting to make up for poor shooting habits. If one takes the time to practice proper shooting techniques they, more often than not, will become a natural/instinctive shooter, but many will not dedicate that time or seek out a shooting coach.
@@richardkramer1094 I agree with you for the most part. I remember taking an iron sighted M16A4 out to 500 yards when I was in the service, and all that was possible not because of the sighting system on my rifle, but because of proper fundamentals, skills, and technique. And I would also agree with you, that most shooters who are strapping on red dots to their firearms don't even know why, they just see others do it and they try to follow suit.
Despite my time in the military, I am primarily a competition pistol shooter/instructor so I can only really speak from a handgun perspective. Pretty much anything you can do with a red dot, you can do with irons, on that we agree. However, you can do it a BIT faster with a red dot. In competition shooting, there's usually an iron sighted division and a red dot equipped division, and partly it's because the red dot divisions tend to achieve higher scores, even if by the smallest margin, which means the red dot is a statistically proven advantage.
Of course, this "advantage" only matters among the top competitive shooters who win by milliseconds or millimeters. For the average joe I would consider it a disadvantage because most gun owners won't put the time or effort to learn the dot, which requires a bit of dedication to become proficient with. Even for an above average joe, the red dot won't make him a better shooter, the same way me slapping on a red dot on my Silver Pidgeon II won't put me anywhere near the guys in this video since I'm fairly new to skeet/trap/sporting clays.
Fact is though, all the younger generations are moving to dots, and that seems to be the way of the future. As an instructor, I took up the dot and learned it well because I wanted to be able to teach my younger students who come to the class with dots on their handguns.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems I can say I’ve never really been into competition, not a fan of Dick measuring contests. But, some years ago a friend talked me into shooting IDPA. Funny story, the first meet I shot with my Kimber Pro .45 and got ‘most accurate shooter’, the second meet I shot my CZ-75 and took the meet. That’s all the competition I’ve done, I prefer to compete against myself. I actually don’t really use the sights or if I do I use them a just a guide. The pistols I own all fit my hand and point instinctively, more of an extension of my hand. My CZ-P10C is probably the best pistol I’ve ever owned and has had somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 rounds through it without a hitch.
When the cards are down it’s not so much the speed, it’s the accuracy. Speed will come in time if you focus on accuracy and good shooting discipline. I don’t like my arms to be encumbered by gadgets and gizmos, I want them to fit my hand or they are simply worthless to me, no matter the cost.
I am now a custom gunsmith/custom rifle maker/firearms engraver and I absolute love my work and at 62 I doubt I’ll ever retire completely. To build a highly accurate bespoke hunting rifle for someone else to use and enjoy I find to be the greatest enjoyment anyone can achieve. So, I too am a big game hunter and it is useful in my business. Still, the goal is simple but accurate…even though I’d much rather hunt with a bow.
Great conversation! Take care.
But how does it work? What does it look like through the sight??
So, we've removed the beads from the ends of our barrels because we dont need them and in some cases are a distraction. And now were sticking a red dot on them? I'm a little miffed at the idea unless you want a faster target aquisition on static targets which are not clays flying through the air. So why not stick a fiber optic sight on the end, save some swing weight and a bit of money?
Of all the great shotgunners, George Digweed would be the one I’d most like to meet!
I can see it being an aid to mounting practice but wouldn’t want it on when shooting clays.
But then again what do I know?
Would be great to get a camera’s view of the scope.
This may not be the best for birds, but it would be *very* good for the deer hunters in my area. Shotgun with slugs are legal here, but not rifle -- you would have to drive 100 miles south-east for that.
@Jonny How much of the difference in your experience of the position of the sight is related to where you normally have the ShotKam located when filming???
My grandpa is a hunter and he is moving well with the times when it comes to hunting he got a thermal optic the moment it was allowed and he had a red dot on his shotgun well before i knew what guns were
Johnny did George let you have a go with his perazzi was it his number 1 gun or his spare he was using
Knee Jerk reaction is that I just can’t have this contraption on top of my BBL. It’s just too weird.
I don't know guys...this is a tough sell. Why not just put a light pipe on the rib? I like aimpoint products, but this is a miss for me
Jonny, are you coming to Orvis in the States with longthorne in September?
don't see this getting very far.
Possibly useful for niche uses or people with eye dominance complications but doubtful
you don't see red dots going very far? they've pretty much completely taken over iron sights. THAT BEING SAID, I do think it's also powered by consumerism, and it being somewhat of a fad.
Just wondering if this could this be used for trap shooting?
George was the best pupil i ever had
Might help with cross dominance issues?
A lot like the east hit bead but with that the whole sight picture is not restricted
So basically it helps because it forces a decent sight picture not because of the tech. A wire sight in a pipe that constricted your' sight picture would do the same thing?
As soon as you start aiming you also measure the lead which just makes you slow down
Are these devices legal in competition?
Jonny, kudos to you for trying something new… but for me the red dot is a non starter. It looks awful on the gun, and it distracts from focus on the target. P. Pappous, SoCal, USA.
if you struggle to get the lead in then bring the sight closer, you cant knock aimpoint on that, if the dot becomes all blurry and too big then that's a point of criticism
i use red dots for airsoft, it has its own learning curve: you cant expect it to immediately translate to clays
also, its disallowed in cpsa so whats the point of this?
I would consider this as I am left eye dominant and shoot right handed