The Swedish have some great electronics and software. A few years back they let the USA know they had been tracking them. It worked out that the swedes worked with the U.S. and even leased them a sub for at least a year so they could improve their systems. The Swedes are cool. I hope they join NATO.
Small conventional submarine is quieter than huge nuclear submarine, it is is very hard to detect a modern electric propulsion conventional submarine, it can only play as a defensive platform. Nuclear submarine on the other hand, can go anywhere on earth with much much more speed and stay under water indefinitely, hence make it an offensive platform. So when a country have the money and technology, they always go for nuclear sub
@@dejavucmail8176 I think that is misleading. Quiet is not determined by those variables and your assumptions about speed are incorrect. Those guidelines are not hard laws of propulsion dynamics.
@@chuckfrench608 Yes it is, conventional submarine have smaller hull hence smaller web surface, smaller propeller and drive by a electric motor which literally make no noise at all. Unlike nuclear submarine, which have far larger wet surface on the hull, larger propeller and drive by a steam turbine and geared transmission, the nuclear reactor need pump for cooling and it's a very complex system. All these factor contribute to the noise level.
@@chuckfrench608 and yes, nuclear sub is faster than conventional sub, more faster and it can maintain its speed as long as the Captain want, which make it a strategic offensive weapon.
What's the best cricket bat in the world? The one that Joe Root is holding. Ie. the difference between the two is such that the main difference will be the training and experience of the crew and captain. In design, they're focussed in slightly different ways. Astute is designed for attack, it is born to find and destroy enemy submarines, infiltrate the defensive perimeter of carrier groups.. to so what subs do. The Virginia class is also excellent at those things but her focus is slightly shifted to being a littoral warfare machine, more land attack weapons, more room for storing special forces, that kinda thing. Every design is a trade off, a balance of priorities, and these two aim very slightly differently in their focus. Two world class machines I'm glad are both on our sides. But as ever, it's the blood, guts and brains inside which make the real difference.
I don't mean to waste your time but you clearly sound like an expert on this, can you go more into detail about how both subs operate such as schedules?
@@BreakingWhite why do'n't you tell me which part you disagree with, rather than trying to mock smeone for expressing an opinion that's as well informed as most. I'm taking this from a professional summary, what do you disagree with?
My mate served on an Astute he said because it was designed on a computer they have used up all the spaces so there is no nooks and crannies to stash booty like on the older boats!
@@1421davidm Not just the Captain, British Sailors are highly trained and very capable. I exercised and worked with US Submariners, they are very good, but us Brits are better 🏴⚓️
Nobody realeases the correct statistics that would be ridiculous,giving the enemy its performance specs .but to be sure I'm glad we're on the same side
Considering the astute class managed to best two US Virginia class submarines during exercises off the east coast of the US-leaving the US sailors “taken aback by its capabilities”-I’d go with the astute. It remained completely undetected, best sonar suite on the planet.
It's certainly a stealthier sub. That hexagonal shape the european subs have does a much better job of deflecting sonar than what the yanks have. But those VLS cells the virginia have give it so many tactical options. I'm really excited for the Aukus Submarine that the brits will be building with US VLS weapon capability. It'll be the best of both worlds.
My friend was on the Astute sub when this happened, they also slipped through us carrier strike group to take out the carrier,also got close up photos without being spotted!
No I am sorry but the Virginia is far superior and thats why its way more expensive. I could tell you in detail why but its all classified. But anyone in the know knows the Virginia would simply sink the astute and not even be detected. LOL
Modern AIP subs can operate underwater for several weeks, and are much quieter than any PWR sub in existence while operatiing on batteries. However they have limited range because they consume LOX to operate their diesel engines which must be fed a supply of liquid oxygen. A PWR sub makes it's own air and water so it's range is only limited by their food supply.
Well the Virginia class will win firstly. So Australia will probably get 3-5 Virginias by 2030. Afterwards they will probably get a variant of SSN (R), the UK replacement for the Astute around 2040 built under license in Austrailia. Of course this is a long way off and things can and probably will change. Its more about the bases and nuclear maintenance and logistics in Australia than a few subs.
It's a submarine hunter killer, why does it need land attack capabilities ? American's do love to have all their weapons to have all the bells and whistles. Sometimes this is not a bad thing, but sometimes a weapon just needs to be the best tool for the job, and in a hunter killer role, that's Astute.
@@RajBlake7 vertical launchers fire anti ship missiles mate! torpedoes only go a few miles before letting go the cable while missiles hit hundreds of miles away. have a look of RN next generation submarines, vertical launcher is a compulsory
@@ozibalathe Astute class is a hunter killer known to be the most undetectable submarine ever. She can fire torpedoes up to 30 miles and was designed to sink other ships and subs. I’m pretty sure our navy knew it didn’t have or need vertical launch systems since the UK has won more wars than any other modern nation. Don’t worry though because we do have many other submarines that can decimate entire continents with their vertical nuclear and non nuclear weapons. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🤣
We are all but at war with Russia. Can't help but think in the situation we find ourselves, verticle launch capability would be quite desirable. Russia is almost certain to attack our off shore infrastructure - what are we going to be able to do in respnce?
Use the submarines that weren't designed as the best hunter killers possible? You know, the ones the royal navy has that already have vls? It's like saying 'this destroyer sucks because it can't launch planes!' No shit, you'd probably want an aircraft carrier for that job mate!
The nuclear reactor used in Virginia is much more advanced as compared to astute's... Virginia uses a 9th generation core design however the core used in astute is based on the USA's 6th generation core design..... Moreover the Virginia can carry more number of tomahawks(that too latest block 5 varient)....
And yet seems just as capable, quicker, quieter and doesn't need any more refuelling. I agree Virginia is bigger, but that's not an advantage as a hunter-killer. In the end, if it really kicks off, their number one job is to track and destroy enemy subs, including SSBN subs. The Virginia's are more versatile, the Astutes more focussed.
The astute beat 2 Virginia class subs in a war game scenario in the USA. It’s very quiet and undetectable. The best sub is the one that can’t be found. Have all the missiles and torpedos you want…..if you can’t find the sub they are useless.
@@CarnageXAddy388z actually you mentioned weaponry(tomahawks) too. My point was that the Astute class is the quietest and most undetectable submarine so no matter how many weapons another vessel has they are useless unless they can find a target. In any event it’s a moot point as we are allies 😊
Admittedly the UK used to have one of the best submarine fleet in the world....But with increasing competition, I wonder if it can keep up with the rest of the rising powers like Russia, China and India? Very soon Brazil, Mexico and Argentina too? Technologically it is falling behind? Its cost of production is also high as compared to its peers? And with the UK economy declining, it is also undergoing a defense budget constrain? But most important of all, its defense strategy is also on the wrong path. The days where Britannia rules the waves are long gone. It not longer has colonies nor trade routes to protect? So it does not really need a blue water navy. A blue water navy is expensive to build and also maintain. Instead it should focus on building a world class brown water navy? And channel whatever cost savings into research and development? This is what made the PLAN a formidable force today. Unlike the US, its defense budget/GDP is only 2% as compared to the US 4%? In spite of that, I have no qualms it can easily defeat the USN in the first and soon, the second island chain. But alas, the delusional British Ruling Elites cannot accept reality...They are still living in the fantasy world of the mighty Royal British Navy(RBN) that is now planning to sail to the Taiwan Straits to teach the Chinese a lesson...until it is humiliated. I am sure top British defense planners know that it is only a matter of time before the Argentinian make another attempt to take over the Falkland Islands by military force and it is gonna be a tough battle for the RBN? Why? Because Britain has been poking its nose into the affairs of Russia and China for too long. They will now arm Argentina with modern state of the art weapon systems to teach the British a lesson, just like what Britain is now doing in Ukraine?
@@MyScotty7 Not 4th. Now 6th in 2022 with about $68 billion. Regardless, it is still a shadow of its former self. Remember Britainnia used to rule the waves. It used to be number 1.
Not sure what China is doing to be honest, except putting lots of hulls in the water. Lots of hulls means lots of expense over the coming years, lots of people to crew them, lots of money to arm them, lots of time and energy to upgrade and replace them. China is building up a huge cost for no gain. China really should have learned from history, instead of copying it.
The Swedish have some great electronics and software. A few years back they let the USA know they had been tracking them. It worked out that the swedes worked with the U.S. and even leased them a sub for at least a year so they could improve their systems. The Swedes are cool. I hope they join NATO.
Small conventional submarine is quieter than huge nuclear submarine, it is is very hard to detect a modern electric propulsion conventional submarine, it can only play as a defensive platform. Nuclear submarine on the other hand, can go anywhere on earth with much much more speed and stay under water indefinitely, hence make it an offensive platform. So when a country have the money and technology, they always go for nuclear sub
@@dejavucmail8176 I think that is misleading. Quiet is not determined by those variables and your assumptions about speed are incorrect. Those guidelines are not hard laws of propulsion dynamics.
@@chuckfrench608 Yes it is, conventional submarine have smaller hull hence smaller web surface, smaller propeller and drive by a electric motor which literally make no noise at all. Unlike nuclear submarine, which have far larger wet surface on the hull, larger propeller and drive by a steam turbine and geared transmission, the nuclear reactor need pump for cooling and it's a very complex system. All these factor contribute to the noise level.
@@chuckfrench608 and yes, nuclear sub is faster than conventional sub, more faster and it can maintain its speed as long as the Captain want, which make it a strategic offensive weapon.
@@dejavucmail8176uhh what
What's the best cricket bat in the world? The one that Joe Root is holding. Ie. the difference between the two is such that the main difference will be the training and experience of the crew and captain.
In design, they're focussed in slightly different ways. Astute is designed for attack, it is born to find and destroy enemy submarines, infiltrate the defensive perimeter of carrier groups.. to so what subs do. The Virginia class is also excellent at those things but her focus is slightly shifted to being a littoral warfare machine, more land attack weapons, more room for storing special forces, that kinda thing. Every design is a trade off, a balance of priorities, and these two aim very slightly differently in their focus.
Two world class machines I'm glad are both on our sides. But as ever, it's the blood, guts and brains inside which make the real difference.
I don't mean to waste your time but you clearly sound like an expert on this, can you go more into detail about how both subs operate such as schedules?
@@BreakingWhite why do'n't you tell me which part you disagree with, rather than trying to mock smeone for expressing an opinion that's as well informed as most. I'm taking this from a professional summary, what do you disagree with?
@@jamespennington10 Jesus I don’t remember making that comment but from what I’ve read I don’t disagree with anything you said, I was being genuine
My mate served on an Astute he said because it was designed on a computer they have used up all the spaces so there is no nooks and crannies to stash booty like on the older boats!
Two great boats, you can have all the technology and weapons in the world but for me its the people that make the difference..
The captain of an Astute Class submarine will have been through the SMCC aka The Perisher which in my humble option gives Astute the edge.
@@1421davidm Not just the Captain, British Sailors are highly trained and very capable. I exercised and worked with US Submariners, they are very good, but us Brits are better 🏴⚓️
Nobody realeases the correct statistics that would be ridiculous,giving the enemy its performance specs .but to be sure I'm glad we're on the same side
The enemy knows more about the vessels than some UA-camr
😂😅😂
The Russians know how fast and deep they can go and how quiet they are so IMHO kinda stupid keeping that information classified.
Considering the astute class managed to best two US Virginia class submarines during exercises off the east coast of the US-leaving the US sailors “taken aback by its capabilities”-I’d go with the astute. It remained completely undetected, best sonar suite on the planet.
It's certainly a stealthier sub. That hexagonal shape the european subs have does a much better job of deflecting sonar than what the yanks have. But those VLS cells the virginia have give it so many tactical options.
I'm really excited for the Aukus Submarine that the brits will be building with US VLS weapon capability. It'll be the best of both worlds.
My friend was on the Astute sub when this happened, they also slipped through us carrier strike group to take out the carrier,also got close up photos without being spotted!
You know that’s not true, don’t you?
@@DonWan47 Yes it is, that quote is taken directly from interview.
@@dWFnZWVr keep making things up.
why does one have to be better than the other? they're both in a class of their own and fight for freedom.
Royal navy submariner's highly trained, tough make instant decisions, so astute class, systems are of high quality, so astute class all day long.
No I am sorry but the Virginia is far superior and thats why its way more expensive. I could tell you in detail why but its all classified. But anyone in the know knows the Virginia would simply sink the astute and not even be detected. LOL
Astuce class have a manual transmission and they have trouble with the clutch. But the Virginia class is slower when they flight at 20K feet...lol
😂
Uhh wdym
The Virginia can’t even go 20000 feet
And it can’t even fly
A sub is only as good as the crew in it
This is the submarine equivalent of "it's not the plane, it's the pilot"
Modern AIP subs can operate underwater for several weeks, and are much quieter than any PWR sub in existence while operatiing on batteries. However they have limited range because they consume LOX to operate their diesel engines which must be fed a supply of liquid oxygen. A PWR sub makes it's own air and water so it's range is only limited by their food supply.
Astute Britannia rules beneath the waves.
Well the Virginia class will win firstly. So Australia will probably get 3-5 Virginias by 2030. Afterwards they will probably get a variant of SSN (R), the UK replacement for the Astute around 2040 built under license in Austrailia. Of course this is a long way off and things can and probably will change.
Its more about the bases and nuclear maintenance and logistics in Australia than a few subs.
Astute is better. I don’t know what your smoking. It is more advanced, quiter and quicker.
Astute doesn't have vertical launchers
or high energy lasers
It's a submarine hunter killer, why does it need land attack capabilities ? American's do love to have all their weapons to have all the bells and whistles. Sometimes this is not a bad thing, but sometimes a weapon just needs to be the best tool for the job, and in a hunter killer role, that's Astute.
@@RajBlake7 vertical launchers fire anti ship missiles mate! torpedoes only go a few miles before letting go the cable while missiles hit hundreds of miles away. have a look of RN next generation submarines, vertical launcher is a compulsory
@@ozibalathe Astute class is a hunter killer known to be the most undetectable submarine ever. She can fire torpedoes up to 30 miles and was designed to sink other ships and subs. I’m pretty sure our navy knew it didn’t have or need vertical launch systems since the UK has won more wars than any other modern nation. Don’t worry though because we do have many other submarines that can decimate entire continents with their vertical nuclear and non nuclear weapons. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🤣
doesnt matter which sub is chosen it will be a deal amonst frusted friends.
4:28 why are they flying the old Mississippi flag?
All for naught if the crew is fraught of thought.
It's actually the seawolf!
Isn't that the one that ran into an undersea mountain ?
@@RajBlake7 yes
@@RajBlake7yes, what’s your point?
Seawolf is outdated asf
SO THE SAY⁉️
The largest class of submarine in the world? It's still the US Los Angeles class.
Russian Typhoon at over 20,000 tons submerged.....one of them modified to be a missile boat called the Bologorod is the individual largest one
Los Angeles isn't even top 10
We are all but at war with Russia. Can't help but think in the situation we find ourselves, verticle launch capability would be quite desirable. Russia is almost certain to attack our off shore infrastructure - what are we going to be able to do in respnce?
Use the submarines that weren't designed as the best hunter killers possible? You know, the ones the royal navy has that already have vls?
It's like saying 'this destroyer sucks because it can't launch planes!' No shit, you'd probably want an aircraft carrier for that job mate!
Rather than talking should just put data in a matrix ……
After listening to " US has a hypersonic missile but it's not operational..." I'm unsubscribing this channel.
Affordability won't mean much if it ultimately ends up causing your country to speak mandarin and eating fried rice every night.
The nuclear reactor used in Virginia is much more advanced as compared to astute's... Virginia uses a 9th generation core design however the core used in astute is based on the USA's 6th generation core design..... Moreover the Virginia can carry more number of tomahawks(that too latest block 5 varient)....
And yet seems just as capable, quicker, quieter and doesn't need any more refuelling. I agree Virginia is bigger, but that's not an advantage as a hunter-killer.
In the end, if it really kicks off, their number one job is to track and destroy enemy subs, including SSBN subs. The Virginia's are more versatile, the Astutes more focussed.
@@jamespennington10 yeah
The astute beat 2 Virginia class subs in a war game scenario in the USA. It’s very quiet and undetectable. The best sub is the one that can’t be found. Have all the missiles and torpedos you want…..if you can’t find the sub they are useless.
@@Acanofbeer in no way I wanted to raise questions on the capabilities of astute subs.... I just said that it uses the S6G reactor of USA
@@CarnageXAddy388z actually you mentioned weaponry(tomahawks) too. My point was that the Astute class is the quietest and most undetectable submarine so no matter how many weapons another vessel has they are useless unless they can find a target. In any event it’s a moot point as we are allies 😊
Without a doubt the Astutes with aggressive British perisher captains and crews, along with the best sonars in the world !!
Let’s be honest the Suffrens wins :)
Not even close.
The Alien's crafts beat us all; in the water, the air, and space! 👽👽👽😁😁😁
@@JohnRWMarchantgiven all the technical issues Astutes are facing + the delay to produce them, you should
Correct answer is Gato-class no debate.
Admittedly the UK used to have one of the best submarine fleet in the world....But with increasing competition, I wonder if it can keep up with the rest of the rising powers like Russia, China and India? Very soon Brazil, Mexico and Argentina too? Technologically it is falling behind? Its cost of production is also high as compared to its peers? And with the UK economy declining, it is also undergoing a defense budget constrain? But most important of all, its defense strategy is also on the wrong path. The days where Britannia rules the waves are long gone. It not longer has colonies nor trade routes to protect? So it does not really need a blue water navy. A blue water navy is expensive to build and also maintain. Instead it should focus on building a world class brown water navy? And channel whatever cost savings into research and development? This is what made the PLAN a formidable force today. Unlike the US, its defense budget/GDP is only 2% as compared to the US 4%? In spite of that, I have no qualms it can easily defeat the USN in the first and soon, the second island chain. But alas, the delusional British Ruling Elites cannot accept reality...They are still living in the fantasy world of the mighty Royal British Navy(RBN) that is now planning to sail to the Taiwan Straits to teach the Chinese a lesson...until it is humiliated. I am sure top British defense planners know that it is only a matter of time before the Argentinian make another attempt to take over the Falkland Islands by military force and it is gonna be a tough battle for the RBN? Why? Because Britain has been poking its nose into the affairs of Russia and China for too long. They will now arm Argentina with modern state of the art weapon systems to teach the British a lesson, just like what Britain is now doing in Ukraine?
lol
Also russia is a declining power
You talk utter rubbish! The UK spends the 4th most money on defense in the world!
@@MyScotty7 Not 4th. Now 6th in 2022 with about $68 billion. Regardless, it is still a shadow of its former self. Remember Britainnia used to rule the waves. It used to be number 1.
Not sure what China is doing to be honest, except putting lots of hulls in the water. Lots of hulls means lots of expense over the coming years, lots of people to crew them, lots of money to arm them, lots of time and energy to upgrade and replace them. China is building up a huge cost for no gain. China really should have learned from history, instead of copying it.
"NUKULER" ... Here we go again. Please finish high school before posting further.
Speed - you will be told something, but not the truth.
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