Honda CRF450L vs KTM 500 EXC-F Light Adventure Bike Shootout
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Honda shook up the dual sport/ adventure world with the release of the 2019 Honda CRF450L, a very capable dual-sport motorcycle with enough power to be a great light adventure bike. But how does Honda's first step into this world compare to the tried and true KTM 500 EXC-F? Well that's exactly what Wes and Josh set out on their 150 mile trip to find out. So stay tuned as we stack up the all-new Honda CRF450L to KTM's 500 EXC-F.
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Prefer this to the scripted stuff. Nice job.
Agreed
it is scripted didnt you see the script on the drz tank? 🤣
I know this is two years old but I like this style and I like that you’re riding like most of us are, not like super fast pros. Thanks guys.
I went with the CRF300l Rally because I didnt want to deal with the maintenance of the larger bikes. Wish they made a detuned 450 that could go 6,000 miles between oil changes
I'm not an adventure rider, but I love watching these videos. Great video, great format. Maybe something about planning, finding and follwing trails next? GPS systems, APPs, mounts, online communities.
I remember being the age where I could eat fast food, and then go rip it up on a bike. Now my chest hurts (from said fast food) and I want to sleep.
my tradition is enduro day then go for big macs after lmao
@@ethanh1268 lol!! I can handle after...just not pregame!
Hot weather and nasty food, perfect setup for getting sick
Cool video. I like this style of video & it gives a more broad range of real world information rather than sticking to the power/weight of the bikes
Bud you need a bungee cargo net on top of that rolley setup for your shoes. No problem strapping em on with that.
That is a very simple and almost obvious solution now that you say that! I should have came to you first! Ha thanks for the pro tip Sam! - Josh
Came for the review, stayed for that amazing dual track.
'19 FE501 owner. Because I'm way more dirt focused.
Excellent video! Thank you.
Really liked that you guys set the two bikes up differently. This gave me an opportunity to look at two different setups from two different rider perspectives.
Currently it would be very difficult for me to do a multi-day ride. I could do a 4 a.m to 10 p.m. one day ride though. That still requires something better than a camel back stuffed with tools and cliff bars.
It looks like both your setups can start small, and then build up. So that was very cool to see.
Would also be cool to know your GPS setups. Looks like both bikes had electrical switching added. That would be a nice video too.
If you do a night ride video, it would be cool to add helmet lighting to the mix.
Since I own an FE501... Bring on the light adventure build... lol
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the feedback and ideas! Where do you primarily ride your FE501? - Josh
Hi Josh, Mostly west of Heber, but I've moved up Weber Canyon, So will be exploring this area, and around Mirror Lake (off 150).
your reviews were real and perfect! thanks for making the time. you both rock!!!
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching the video!
Yeah you guys had life slap you in the face... much more entertaining that the regularly scheduled programming. lol
That was an awesome video and a lot different than most of the other stuff that’s out there because it offered real life setups, with varied comparisons. There was’t anything flashy about it but really kept my interest from beginning to end. Please do more stuff like this.
Throttle response on my 501 was abrupt, too, until I tossed a 7oz clutch weight on. Super smooth now. For light adv, I don't waste money on an aftermarket seats, just slap some sheep skin on there for the long rides...way mo comfy.
Thanks guys, this is an excellent format. It reminds me of the UA-cam content that Ari and Zack used to produce, so please keep it up. I was sort of interested in the bikes, but more here for the overall adventure. So adventure story telling with bikes and kit as opposed to bikes and kit with a little bit of adventure. (Subbed)
Thanks Dean! We are fans of Ari and Zack over here, so that is a great compliment! We're working on more like this, so stay tuned! - Josh
@@rmatvmc , curious what the rock music is at 00:58 and 34:04 ? It sounds like a guitar running through a synthesizer to sound like a foghorn. Very weird.
DR-Z for the win? - Wes
DRZ had its day, and the DRZ ROCKED!!!!!!!!!! I did the TAT on a DRZ400, if I did the TAT again, my first choice would be a 1090, lol, 2nd choice would be the 450L(good updated DRZ, especially in the suspension dept.)
Rode a drz for 10 years, just got my 2021 500 and there’s no comparison
Great video guys, finally a true documentary to see how those bikes perform. You just helped me make my decision for my future dream bike!
Glad the video helped you out! Which bike are you leaning towards?
Gonna go for the ktm just because I'm geared more towards off road and will sacrifice road comfort for a lighter bike. Both really great bikes though and I'm sure you can't go wrong with either.
Just seeing the adventure is the best gear selling point. Having specs read out to me is unrelatable
Go out have fun, crash, film it and share it. Great job guys and keep riding KTM!
can someone please explain the difference between enduro, trail, motocross, dual sports??? i thought that all dirt bikes are the same, i live in a third world country, i wish someday i saw atleast on in real life, since i was three or four i was just so obssed with dirt bikes,,,
@@nakachinjah7240 motocross is for motocross racing so high performance but lots of maintenance. trail is less performance but a lot less maintenance. now enduro is like motocross but it had lights,so you can ride on the road legally. and dual sports are like trail bikes with lights. dual sport is the best option if you're cheap like me.
@@poo4731 so can enduro travel long distances, enduro are like that bike that climb hills and insane things like that right??
@@nakachinjah7240 you could travel long distance but you'd have to change the oil very often. like the 450l you have to change the oil every 600 miles,while a dual sport like my klx300 you have to change the oil every 6000. Yes enduro bikes are the ones you see climbing crazy shit in compititions.
@@poo4731 imm, then what about that motorcycle that itchy boots ride , crf450l rally something like that, can that bike climbs hills, sorry if i;m bothering you, but i really want to understand the difference, even though there;s no way even if i live 100 yrs i won;t be able to afford it, i am just so interest in it, can enduro bikes be used as trial riding too, ??? i knew i sound stupid cause i am, i really don;t know anything about it, just obsessed with them
Really cool video format. Those of us who do this sort of riding enjoy the stories of you guys getting out there
I'm glad to hear that we're heading in a good direction! Like most adventures, it was quite a memorable ride! - Josh
I love that’s it’s not old guys on giant bikes. I have a 500 and it’s hard to find guys to adv ride that are younger than 60
Don't give up! There is a younger and younger generation that are slowly realizing the bad-assery of DS and ADV. 🤘🏻- Wes
I dig the off the cuff shoot out, more applicable comparison for real world riding.
I like the realism of the video, the problems you have, the trails being harder than expected. great comparison you guys did awesome. love to see more videos with these bikes or this type of content.
Really great video guys..... great footage, intelligent observations and commentary on all the relevant topics for the 1-2 day adventure/dual sport type. Unique and insightful. Really well done. I learned some new things and I've been riding for 30 years. Cheers.
Thanks for the comment Travis. We appreciate the feedback and the compliments. As long as you continue enjoying it, we'll keep pushing content out. - Wes
LOVE THIS VIDEO STYLE. Keep expanding on setups and the adventure. Would love to see this with the crf300l and klx300
Love the video. Please do more like it. I am doing the same thing to my 500 xcw.
i love dual sport motorcycles so much! i have a 2003 yamaha xt 600 and its my everything
Enjoying the recent videos. Like that you're telling a story and incorporating your products. This and the roached bike series were both really good.
Another great video guys. Keep them coming.
I enjoy most of your videos, but this, for me, was some of the most enjoyable.
It was good to see both bikes with luggage and not presented as a shootout, but a general comparison.
I must say though that my preference leans towards the Honda.
Ride Safe guys.
Regards from S Africa
Clive
Thanks Clive! We'll work hard to keep videos like this coming!
That Honda is definitely a killer bike. Both of the bikes handled everything we threw at them, and both have their spots where they outshine the other. What aspects of the Honda do you like? - Josh
I like their reliability.
I had a CB750F when the came out in the 80's and loved it.
A couple of bikes after that, but with a young family starting, life got in ths way for a while.
I'm now riding a 2010 KLR650. It needs some TLC, but its simple and economical and within my techical ability to maintain.
Thanks for your articles...keep them coming.
Rgds from S Africa
Clive
I’ve owned both a 2015 500exc and a now my current bike is a 2019 450L, the ktm is a great bike for aggressive trail riding and the 450L is a great all around bike it’s good in open desert it’s a good trail bike and it’s great on the street both of these bikes are amazing would love to own both but for my riding style the 450L will be in my garage for along time! Only thing I miss about the ktm is how nimble it is but having single tracked a 650r BRP for like 8 years, the 450L additional weight I usually laugh at the guys complaining about that 😂 pick your poison both are great bikes it gets old seeing all the banter in the comments from brand loyal crap talkers lol!
Both great performance dual sports, but both come with the maintenance. Want Honda to come out with a revised 650.
Burddog07 I would be happy with Honda 250 Rally
Had a new 2017 500EXC got stolen in 3days but in those 3 days I rode it and was amazing off road! Then I got a KTM 690R Enduro which I liked better for my needs. Also new in 2017 rode itn until 6k miles but the problem is after 65mph it gets speed wobbles since no weight over front tire. Love the 2017 analog tach and the stock power commander under the seat 1-10 kept it on 5....loved the 690R but since they don't make a big gas tank for it I sold it and kept my BRP XR650L also got same time in 2017....me and my dad rode a good amount but the uncorked XR650L ITS AMAZING ON ROAD AND OFF!
I’m seriously leaning towards the CRF450L. I’ve heard the Yoshimura single can exhaust and a power commander make a night and day difference on the CRF. The rumor is it’s still pretty quite but opens the bike up a lot. The power commander really smooths out the throttle response and makes the power much more manageable. I’d love to see a good review on what it can do.
Nothing like buying a Honda and having to put 2k in it.
@@peteh8077 You can say that about any street bike, they all come plugged up.
This would be my favorite format style, just for your pole.
I do prefer the luggage rack on the 450. That luggage rack could also serve as a grab handle to push or pull out of a mud hole. Great video guys. I also loved that you showed the real life experiences of falling, clutch problems getting worn out and having to take breaks. Often times all you see on videos is the smooth and good times of riding.
I used to live in Spanish fork in the 90’s. My brother is still there. You turn at that tesoro to get into his neighborhood. I’ve rode some of these trails on his KLR 650. I’d love that Ktm 500. Utah has some great riding. Been in diamond fork a lot. I’ve done those trail up over from mapleton canyon to strawberry. Lots of fun. Thanks for the video.
"We gotta get up in the mountains and get going." Music to the ears.
What a beautiful part of the world. Awesome scenery. Greetings from South Arica.
Would love to see a Honda CRF450 rally, would be just perfect
Image they'd sell out before they hit dealerships.
THis was great! Ive been trying to decide between these two for over a year now. I think the Honda might win it for me.
Update: the Honda won! Just brought it home the other day :)
Love these types of videos. Although if its going to be a "Versus" video I would run the same luggage and upgrades
Great job! Story + tech content/comparison = awesome video!
Thanks for checking it out!
Great video guys. Also, loved the DRZ part. I just sold my DRZ in favor of the KTM500 and while the DRZ was fine in the easier 2 track, the KTM rules when it gets tough. Maybe a better rider would be fine on both, but I need all the help I can get!! Also, really liked the luggage comparison info. I'm using Wolfman Enduro bags but not doing overnight trips off the bike. Always doing big loops from the truck or out and backs to a motel. Envious of both Utah and Colorado riders that have so much cool terrain to ride.
How 's the KTM 500 on the road and highway in comparison with the DRZ? I' ve heard that the KTM not only has 6 gears in comparison with 5 gears on the DRZ, but the KTM has a really wide gear box and cushing on the clutch that help with the highway.
@@PeakandAbyss the KTM holds highway speeds a lot better without feeling like you're over revving the motor. That said, it's a lighter bike and taller so you get blown around more than on the DRZ if there's other traffic to deal with.
I really like this video. I liked the way you just did something off the cuff and included your support team. I rock a 22 KLR and ride similar trails but go a bunch slower! Just bought a 2021 Honda 450RL so looking forward to some light ADV adventures.
Great video, really similar to the sort of riding I do. I'd like to see that 450L with the a go light approach to an overnighter vs a well setup DR650 sporting a lightweight setup too. Keep up the good work, really enjoyed this vid!
Loving the content. Just finished the $500 5MOH series which was super entertaining to watch. Subbed.
Awesome, thank you!
I thought this video was great and a lot of fun to watch. Off the cuff is the way to go. As someone else mentioned it would be great to see you street legalize one of the manufacturers off road only trail bikes and compare it to something that already comes that way.
What a great comparison. I hope you keep doing these.
That Honda will be passed down to your grandchildren, the KTM is a 5 season bike
Kenny Giut wouldnt be youtube if someone didnt bring up ktms reliability
Kenny very true in terms of reliability you never go with Japanese bikes especially Honda.
@@edwinkarani5593 haha
Kenny Giut Apparently Edwin has never owned a KTM. I have, the one and only I ever will.
@@daviddemento367Don't say that you are the lucky one. We undertand that there are ktms that have close to 0 issues. But most batches turn up faulty later on.
I enjoyed the video and am trying to decide on bags so it was very helpful! Thanks guys!
Check out the Mosko Moto bags
How long before the engine needs maintenance? Or rebuild ? Valves adjusted?
Really liked the video, especially showing the unexpected and how it effects things...great job. Frustrating sometimes that the bikes are not identified by name ("this one, blah blah--that one, blah blah) and you can't tell which bike is being talked about. Thanks!
Loved this video. This is how all testing should be done.
Absolutely loved this video, please more
Great video, love seeing more 450L videos being a Honda guy however I do prefer more in depth reviews on the products.
When you do make an apples to apples comparison, I want in! I think I've got the whole CRF450L Light Adv bike sorted. And yes, you can ride it.
Nice! What are your favorite light adv accessories on your 450L? - Wes
@@rmatvmc Must haves: a 3 gallon IMS tank, Seat Concepts Comfort XL seat, and Mosko Moto Reckless 80 style soft luggage and go! My other favorite that's not a must have but one that will positively change the experience is the combination of an Adventure Spec Nav Tower bracket and a Bajaworx windshield. Makes the road portions infinitely more enjoyable and really doesn't get in the way off road. Add a Vortex ECU and your favorite brand of exhaust and the CRF450L will eat KTMs all day long on adventure rides. In my opinion, of course.
After seeing "place beyond the pines" i want a dual sport. Maybe one day (:
Great movie!
CRF450L BARKS with yoshi and twisted throttle. VERY powerful bike on the dirt. The gearing is just about perfect for trail riding stock.
Great Video thanks. Both incredible bikes, but both have pretty high service intervals for an adventure bike doing multi-day trips. I think Honda recommends 1000 km oil changes for the 450L and KTM recommends 15 hour oil changes for the 500F? Do you guys stretch those intervals out a bit further, to avoid taking oil on a multi-day trip??
One guy ( I think called RTW Paul )rode a KTM500 RTW for over 90,000 Kms without an engine rebuild changing the oil on average 2,000 Km. 15 hours is racing not trail riding.
I Love you added similar machines ! Also you took a Real trip with Random Surprise situations 😜
LOOOVE that overgrown two track. I need more of that in my life.
Good review. Even with setting the bikes up differently you were fair in your assessment of that. Keep it coming.
More of this! Real world comparison in some beautiful Utah scenery!!
Like the format and content
Really well done video guys...people want "real riders" reviewing product in "actual riding conditions"...not just on the bench. It was a pleasure to watch and I shared it with a group of my riding buddies...all had positive comments. Great job!
I prefer this stuff. I really enjoyed the extra bikes too! You guys should include the other bikes as well I know they are a little bigger but we’re nice to see that perspective as well.
Awesome video guys. Thanks for putting this out. More of these type of videos. The real world experience, pros and cons of trying different gear/bikes/setup, even camp setups, is what I liked about it.
Glad to hear it! We're planning on more for you guys. Thanks for your feedback! - Josh
Lol you haven’t even left town and yer eatin’ lunch!!!
Seriously one of the best videos of seen on Light ADV. Great job explaining your wants and needs for each bike, then also how well they worked. I would take both in a heartbeat but the 500 with the wolfman setup is cherry for sure. Keep it up!
Great video. I liked the reviews while riding. It gave me something to look at while listening. I also like the reviews of the add ons. I am trying to choose between these two bikes and the possible add ons are definetly part of the choice. I would like to see a trail riding shootout with the add ons.
This is truly a great vid. A lot of time went into it im sure.. Wondering how much weight The KTM's and Beta's can take as far as Luggage?
Man That CRF450L is about to become a reality for me! lol I'm really just torn between that and the more affordable KLX300.. I'm still paying off a Honda Civic ext and still have a couple years to go. "it's costing me 34K! after the 12K financing fee" nuts right!? I just can't wait any longer to get back into riding! and dual sporting seems to be where it's at! I'm 40 years old and really want this to become a new hobbie, plus light commute and going on trails living by a state park and lake and plenty of places to practice and just HAVE FUN!! I'm really going to try for the CRF! just have to see if I can afford it right now. Honda's do last forever!! and since I own a Honda Civic and it's been great.. might as well stay with Honda. thanks guy's awesome review!
Watching this makes me want to drop 10k on the Honda 😁
Just found your channel, love the content. Better than others that sit and chat about the bikes! Looking at 250 rally in UK. Newly rturning to the dirt! Thanks...
Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching! - Wes
Keep this style and content. I think it is more to what the average dual sport/adv rider is interested in seeing to make a decision on what bike he or she is interested in.
Took me 3 years to find this … but its exactly the test I need
I'm still torn between these two bikes...
You knuckleheads...
Hilarious.....
Good video guys.
Well worth it I'm sure.
450cc all day
Love the 606s, I'm on my 3rd set on my 250L. Cool video gentlemen.
Awesome video, best one I’ve seen 👍👍two thumbs up 😎
Thanks for watching!
I was rooting for you all the way up the mountain go go go go go keep up that momentum with absolutely no clutch I've done that before it's not so much fun.... i dont recommend it
Haha I wouldn't recommend it either! That trail definitely kept us on our toes. Every time I thought "I got this" the trail would quickly humble me (as you saw). Makes for better stories afterwards though! - Josh
Great video guys! how about throw in some old dualsports in and see how they hold up against the new stuff.
Which old dual sport bikes would you like to see? - Josh
this is great content. Unplanned and entertaining.
would totally buy one of these bikes if i had places like that to ride. :(
These 2 machine's are my dream rides! Throw a husky in there and I die happy!
Sucks I either got money to buy new bikes with zero time to ride. Or older payed for bike able to ride all the time but broke ass! Man you guys making me nervous riding in the blind spot of that truck. I know camera over exaggerated it prob.
Great vid but I still prefer more straight to the point videos, like the one where you compare the 450L to the Husky 450
Maintenance intervals are deal killers on both of these.
They're dual sports with similar engines and suspension to motocross bikes if you want longer intervals you have to settle for a drz xr or wr250 (All slow and/or heavy). For me i've always owned race bikes so it ain't nothing because the benefits outweigh the extra wrenching. If you're someone who can't change your own oil or check valve clearance I can see why it would be a deal breaker, service would get expensive.
To each his own but when I think dual sport I think multiple day adventure like the Trans America trail. Can you image having to change oil every two to three days or having to do valve check every 1600 miles.
These bikes are for people who want to go play for half a day.
Jimbo4575 my 2012 Ktm 500 has over 5000 miles/200hrs. Never had to adjust the valves. I keep the filter clean and put gas in it. For trail/adventure riding you can go 40-50 hours between oil changes if you need to. Constant valve adjustment and oil changes are myths if you’re not racing
Brian H I was talking about Honda specifically but it’s my understanding the KTM schedule is 500 mile oil change with valve check every other oil change. I’m not saying they can’t go a lot further or they are not awesome machines. I was just hoping for an updated DRZ type bike. (Fuel injected etc) These are more like street legal dirt bikes.
Jimbo4575 also comes down to what performance you’re looking for too. For sure DR’s KLR’s etc will go the distance but they don’t put a smile on my face (I’m an old racer and fast paced trail rider) like my 500 does.
Just saying People get hung up on service intervals per the manuals etc when it’s really not accurate if you’re spending your days cruising along trails and fire roads.
Video is both good and bad. Getting so tired of watching comparison videos of different Vehicles whether it's Jeeps motorcycles or trucks and nobody uses the same gear. In this case I was really needing the bike comparison between these two models but the DraStic difference in gear messed it up.
Excellent video! Lot's of fun while entertaining and informative.
I like this style and length of video.
Thanks! Glad to hear that we're heading in a good direction! - Josh
Thanks for the great video and sharing your thoughts and ideas. I think it would be more helpful next time to compare the bikes with the same luggage set up.
I was kind of surprised by the weight of the Honda. Has the exhaust been swapped yet? I know that will drop a ton of weight and may help with that initial snap (with a tune). I would drop the side racks and go with a different luggage setup. I love my Giant Loop Coyote, I think it is a better compromise between the two setups you guys used this trip. Killer video! Hope that 400 has a new clutch by now.
Those tusk pannier racks are pretty heavy.
Giant Loop Coyote, traveling made so EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the content, thank you guys. For future one's, maybe getting rid of this repetive music might an option to consider.
Loving the lightweight adventure bike build and using these lightweight bikes for longer journeys would be great to see a similar setup on both and how using them for maybe a long weekend would work out thanks for sharing
It's all about style mate. bone up to reality as you are able.
I bought the Honda, I got it for $9100, I then added the Vortex ECU and full FMF exhaust and now it is a rabid beast. It can be adjusted/modified to be every bit of the off-road monster than the KTM and Husky are while still retaining it's great on-road characteristics and comfort. We just got back from riding for 5 days in the Rockies and both 450L's worked flawlessly alongside of a KTM 450 and Beta 390. In stock form the 450L needs a little polishing, but with a few accessories the bike really comes alive and becomes an equal in every way to the European bikes. I am very happy with the 450L and I love that I am not on the same orange bike as everyone else.
I have had the exact same experience with the Honda. Vortex/FMF and a diet make this bike just as capable as any KTM dual sport I have owned or ridden.
good guys, great format!
I’m so disappointed with the Honda. I was hoping for something with six gears, >400 cc, and long maintenance intervals. That would have fit a great niche.
This seems like just a red ktm or husqvarna. Those bikes are great, but I was looking more for something like a true enduro, not just a plated dirt bike.
The 450L is a 6 speed, but I to wished for 2l plus in oil capacity(and WRR 20k valve checks, lol)
Why they called it an L model I have no idea
Ya the oil change seems short compared to old style dual sports but not really compared to other similar bikes like the 500exc the 450l has 100m more and people have strectched the service interval well over 1000m plus the market is already saturated with the kind of bike you seem to want
Nice one, must be fun to adventure ride with such light bikes.
It definitely is! The lighter the bike, the more fun it is off the road. And we definitely prefer being off the road!
I would buy the Honda but I think I'll wait for the price to drop.
Dealers have started to mark them down. I just picked up a 450L for 10K out the door.
I bought a 450l, today, for $8,999.00. All said and done: $9,871.28 out the door, tag and title. They trying to move the 19's to make room for the 2020's.
Very nice head lights ,cool