Honda CRF450L vs KTM 500 EXC-F Light Adventure Bike Shootout
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2019
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Honda shook up the dual sport/ adventure world with the release of the 2019 Honda CRF450L, a very capable dual-sport motorcycle with enough power to be a great light adventure bike. But how does Honda's first step into this world compare to the tried and true KTM 500 EXC-F? Well that's exactly what Wes and Josh set out on their 150 mile trip to find out. So stay tuned as we stack up the all-new Honda CRF450L to KTM's 500 EXC-F.
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Prefer this to the scripted stuff. Nice job.
Agreed
it is scripted didnt you see the script on the drz tank? 🤣
I'm not an adventure rider, but I love watching these videos. Great video, great format. Maybe something about planning, finding and follwing trails next? GPS systems, APPs, mounts, online communities.
Really well done video guys...people want "real riders" reviewing product in "actual riding conditions"...not just on the bench. It was a pleasure to watch and I shared it with a group of my riding buddies...all had positive comments. Great job!
Seriously one of the best videos of seen on Light ADV. Great job explaining your wants and needs for each bike, then also how well they worked. I would take both in a heartbeat but the 500 with the wolfman setup is cherry for sure. Keep it up!
Awesome video guys. Thanks for putting this out. More of these type of videos. The real world experience, pros and cons of trying different gear/bikes/setup, even camp setups, is what I liked about it.
Glad to hear it! We're planning on more for you guys. Thanks for your feedback! - Josh
Enjoying the recent videos. Like that you're telling a story and incorporating your products. This and the roached bike series were both really good.
I like the realism of the video, the problems you have, the trails being harder than expected. great comparison you guys did awesome. love to see more videos with these bikes or this type of content.
Cool video. I like this style of video & it gives a more broad range of real world information rather than sticking to the power/weight of the bikes
That was an awesome video and a lot different than most of the other stuff that’s out there because it offered real life setups, with varied comparisons. There was’t anything flashy about it but really kept my interest from beginning to end. Please do more stuff like this.
nice video, I think it was really good having all of it in there with crash , clutch issues, it shows what its really like and not everything working out as planned, keep up the great work!
Love the format of this video! Informative review of bikes, accessories and great scenery!
"We gotta get up in the mountains and get going." Music to the ears.
LOOOVE that overgrown two track. I need more of that in my life.
your reviews were real and perfect! thanks for making the time. you both rock!!!
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching the video!
Thanks guys, this is an excellent format. It reminds me of the UA-cam content that Ari and Zack used to produce, so please keep it up. I was sort of interested in the bikes, but more here for the overall adventure. So adventure story telling with bikes and kit as opposed to bikes and kit with a little bit of adventure. (Subbed)
Thanks Dean! We are fans of Ari and Zack over here, so that is a great compliment! We're working on more like this, so stay tuned! - Josh
@@rmatvmc , curious what the rock music is at 00:58 and 34:04 ? It sounds like a guitar running through a synthesizer to sound like a foghorn. Very weird.
Great video, really similar to the sort of riding I do. I'd like to see that 450L with the a go light approach to an overnighter vs a well setup DR650 sporting a lightweight setup too. Keep up the good work, really enjoyed this vid!
More of this! Real world comparison in some beautiful Utah scenery!!
Dooooods, this was such a killer video with so much product and comparisons. Overnighting really starts changing the game on set ups and gear. You guys nailed it, nobody is doing stuff like this that i’ve seen. Keep on it ✊👨🏿🦰
Good video, very informative. I was happy to see both luggage setups. Great summation about the setups. A big thumbs up.
Loved this video. This is how all testing should be done.
Love these types of videos. Although if its going to be a "Versus" video I would run the same luggage and upgrades
Another great video guys. Keep them coming.
Excellent video! Lot's of fun while entertaining and informative.
I went with the CRF300l Rally because I didnt want to deal with the maintenance of the larger bikes. Wish they made a detuned 450 that could go 6,000 miles between oil changes
Love the video. Please do more like it. I am doing the same thing to my 500 xcw.
Please continue this style of video. Its awesome.
I know this is two years old but I like this style and I like that you’re riding like most of us are, not like super fast pros. Thanks guys.
Thanks for the great video and sharing your thoughts and ideas. I think it would be more helpful next time to compare the bikes with the same luggage set up.
Came for the review, stayed for that amazing dual track.
Super awesome video guys! Great content and info! You captured the essence of Light ADV riding perfect! I am hoping to buy a 2020 KTM 500 EXC in the near future as was going to ride it mostly on trails with a little commuting mixed in - now I’m looking forward to doing some overnight and light ADV rides as well.
What a great comparison. I hope you keep doing these.
'19 FE501 owner. Because I'm way more dirt focused.
Excellent video! Thank you.
Really liked that you guys set the two bikes up differently. This gave me an opportunity to look at two different setups from two different rider perspectives.
Currently it would be very difficult for me to do a multi-day ride. I could do a 4 a.m to 10 p.m. one day ride though. That still requires something better than a camel back stuffed with tools and cliff bars.
It looks like both your setups can start small, and then build up. So that was very cool to see.
Would also be cool to know your GPS setups. Looks like both bikes had electrical switching added. That would be a nice video too.
If you do a night ride video, it would be cool to add helmet lighting to the mix.
Since I own an FE501... Bring on the light adventure build... lol
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the feedback and ideas! Where do you primarily ride your FE501? - Josh
Hi Josh, Mostly west of Heber, but I've moved up Weber Canyon, So will be exploring this area, and around Mirror Lake (off 150).
This is truly a great vid. A lot of time went into it im sure.. Wondering how much weight The KTM's and Beta's can take as far as Luggage?
Loved the video. Great info and loved the real life format...hoping for more like it.
Absolutely loved this video, please more
I love that’s it’s not old guys on giant bikes. I have a 500 and it’s hard to find guys to adv ride that are younger than 60
Don't give up! There is a younger and younger generation that are slowly realizing the bad-assery of DS and ADV. 🤘🏻- Wes
I do prefer the luggage rack on the 450. That luggage rack could also serve as a grab handle to push or pull out of a mud hole. Great video guys. I also loved that you showed the real life experiences of falling, clutch problems getting worn out and having to take breaks. Often times all you see on videos is the smooth and good times of riding.
Thanks for the video guys. It makes me miss the Rocky Mountains and my youth. I used to ride all over on my BMW R1100 GS. Yes, it was heavy. Now I’m an old guy on a Husqvarna Norden 901. Keep ‘em coming ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I just want to thank you for this video! I've literally been looking at both of these bikes and trying to decide, I'm definitely looking for something closer to dirtbike riding, I'd love to know how well it would do in sand. I'm also a utah riding and this is exactly what I needed! Thank you
Loving the lightweight adventure bike build and using these lightweight bikes for longer journeys would be great to see a similar setup on both and how using them for maybe a long weekend would work out thanks for sharing
For those that are curious- The ktm and Husky 500's are super corked up from euro 4. Replacing the endcap, removing the reeds in the intake and swapping the intake boot from a 450mx bike/retune will take the 500 from 40hp at the tire to mid 50's. The honda doesn't respond nearly as well to breathing mods and it's heavier as well. Finally, I think out of all the mx based bikes these days, the KTM based motors seem to be the most reliable in the tireless research that I've done. There was a guy on advrider.com who had a '14 or '15 500exc that he did 68k kilometers (30k ish miles) on a 500 and finally opened up the motor because he was getting nervous on long trips. He wasn't the exception either. There's a ton of high hour (500-700) 500's that've never been opened up. This is coming from someone who used to be a KTM hater and Yamaha fanboy. These bikes seem super stout and they hold their value well even with 10k+ miles on them......
One last point; A drz 400e box stock with just a pipe and 3x3 will put 40 at the tire (already have a pumper/hotter cams vs. S and SM), and a DRZ with that and a 434 and hotcams will do mid-high 40's which is about where a 450L will be with a pipe and pc5..Just 'sayin...
Awesome vlog. Learned alot about the 450l
Appreciate your time and effort 👍
this is great content. Unplanned and entertaining.
Great video, love seeing more 450L videos being a Honda guy however I do prefer more in depth reviews on the products.
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I enjoyed the video and am trying to decide on bags so it was very helpful! Thanks guys!
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Keep this style and content. I think it is more to what the average dual sport/adv rider is interested in seeing to make a decision on what bike he or she is interested in.
Love the 606s, I'm on my 3rd set on my 250L. Cool video gentlemen.
I Like this kind of video. Its nice to see how the different luggage systems can affect handling of the bikes.
Great job, loved the comparison!
I love the different terrain you guys tackled it showed the bikes in a great way. Love the on board cameras too. The length of the vid was perfect more like this one!
I remember being the age where I could eat fast food, and then go rip it up on a bike. Now my chest hurts (from said fast food) and I want to sleep.
my tradition is enduro day then go for big macs after lmao
@@ethanh1268 lol!! I can handle after...just not pregame!
Hot weather and nasty food, perfect setup for getting sick
Good review. Even with setting the bikes up differently you were fair in your assessment of that. Keep it coming.
Good review, seemed unbiased and highlighted the benefits / standouts of both bikes.
Bud you need a bungee cargo net on top of that rolley setup for your shoes. No problem strapping em on with that.
That is a very simple and almost obvious solution now that you say that! I should have came to you first! Ha thanks for the pro tip Sam! - Josh
Great video guys. Also, loved the DRZ part. I just sold my DRZ in favor of the KTM500 and while the DRZ was fine in the easier 2 track, the KTM rules when it gets tough. Maybe a better rider would be fine on both, but I need all the help I can get!! Also, really liked the luggage comparison info. I'm using Wolfman Enduro bags but not doing overnight trips off the bike. Always doing big loops from the truck or out and backs to a motel. Envious of both Utah and Colorado riders that have so much cool terrain to ride.
How 's the KTM 500 on the road and highway in comparison with the DRZ? I' ve heard that the KTM not only has 6 gears in comparison with 5 gears on the DRZ, but the KTM has a really wide gear box and cushing on the clutch that help with the highway.
@@PeakandAbyss the KTM holds highway speeds a lot better without feeling like you're over revving the motor. That said, it's a lighter bike and taller so you get blown around more than on the DRZ if there's other traffic to deal with.
Really enjoyed it. I was disappointed when it wasn’t Justin but you guys did great. Thanks.
Ha ha thanks! Justin does an excellent job. We'll be sure and pass on the compliment and see if we can strap him down for a future video. Thanks for watching! - Wes
First time watching great information and content . Plus Utah has great natural views . My Dad's from Utah so spent some time there , almost a bit jealous in flat Florida now. Great video and context. Keep up the good work . I'll definitely watch more if their like this style.
What do you think? Does the Honda or KTM fit your style of riding better?
I am more of the ktm 500 myself vs the honda. It was between that and the 690. I went with he 690 and have no regrets, especially for double tracks like that. I had a 525 in the past, and find it a bitt too buzzy for traveling dual sport. I really wish you guys would make a Tusk handle bar dash for a ktm 690 and other models. Why only make them for the 450L?
The content is great. It feels more of a real review vs a commercial. I was doubting you peeps at RM even ride..lol
KTM for sure. Call me crazy, but I actually trust the KTM reliability more on these bikes. RMATVMC, I've watched nearly every vid on your channel, and this is the best one yet. Please keep it up.
Honda 450l, i wish they would make an actual dual sport though, oil changes every 3,000 miles and can actually take on long trips however i have owned a ktm before and i will never own another, it was a horrible expierence from ktm and i can't trust them again. They are sexy looking bikes though.
I would say the honda for me because I would be doing more commuting and street riding, but still wanna do some narly off road. plus honda has unrivaled reliability, more dealer support and cheaper parts/ availability. I will be purchasing the 450l in about 4 days cant wait to get onto some dirt. great job on the video guys.
I love the raw power of the husqvarna 701. It's also surprisingly capable off-road. But if I couldnt also have a tx300 for off-road then the 500 is a great compromise.
Throttle response on my 501 was abrupt, too, until I tossed a 7oz clutch weight on. Super smooth now. For light adv, I don't waste money on an aftermarket seats, just slap some sheep skin on there for the long rides...way mo comfy.
Happy trails. Awesome video guys
great video and very informative in real world scenarios!
I bought the Honda, I got it for $9100, I then added the Vortex ECU and full FMF exhaust and now it is a rabid beast. It can be adjusted/modified to be every bit of the off-road monster than the KTM and Husky are while still retaining it's great on-road characteristics and comfort. We just got back from riding for 5 days in the Rockies and both 450L's worked flawlessly alongside of a KTM 450 and Beta 390. In stock form the 450L needs a little polishing, but with a few accessories the bike really comes alive and becomes an equal in every way to the European bikes. I am very happy with the 450L and I love that I am not on the same orange bike as everyone else.
I have had the exact same experience with the Honda. Vortex/FMF and a diet make this bike just as capable as any KTM dual sport I have owned or ridden.
Would love to see a Honda CRF450 rally, would be just perfect
Image they'd sell out before they hit dealerships.
This is the better format for sure I love the comparison/challenge videos
Great video guys 👍 keep up the good work
Would like to have seen some Mosko Moto luggage used. great stuff.
I thought this video was great and a lot of fun to watch. Off the cuff is the way to go. As someone else mentioned it would be great to see you street legalize one of the manufacturers off road only trail bikes and compare it to something that already comes that way.
Really enjoyed this video. I like the off the cuff type or video. The highly edited videos are good too but it’s nice to see all ups and downs of the ride and feeling of the moment.
Thanks for the feedback and glad you liked it!
That's good to hear! We've got some more ideas for future videos like this that'll hopefully be even more down to earth a relatable, so make sure to stay tuned! - Josh
I really like this video. I liked the way you just did something off the cuff and included your support team. I rock a 22 KLR and ride similar trails but go a bunch slower! Just bought a 2021 Honda 450RL so looking forward to some light ADV adventures.
DR-Z for the win? - Wes
DRZ had its day, and the DRZ ROCKED!!!!!!!!!! I did the TAT on a DRZ400, if I did the TAT again, my first choice would be a 1090, lol, 2nd choice would be the 450L(good updated DRZ, especially in the suspension dept.)
Rode a drz for 10 years, just got my 2021 500 and there’s no comparison
This is the shootout of my dreams. Thank for making this video!
Thanks for watching!
Fun video! Love the off the cuff parts, but probably a combo of direct equitable comparisons and the fun off the cuff adventures is good.
You guys did a great awesome video.
Great Video thanks. Both incredible bikes, but both have pretty high service intervals for an adventure bike doing multi-day trips. I think Honda recommends 1000 km oil changes for the 450L and KTM recommends 15 hour oil changes for the 500F? Do you guys stretch those intervals out a bit further, to avoid taking oil on a multi-day trip??
One guy ( I think called RTW Paul )rode a KTM500 RTW for over 90,000 Kms without an engine rebuild changing the oil on average 2,000 Km. 15 hours is racing not trail riding.
I’ve owned both a 2015 500exc and a now my current bike is a 2019 450L, the ktm is a great bike for aggressive trail riding and the 450L is a great all around bike it’s good in open desert it’s a good trail bike and it’s great on the street both of these bikes are amazing would love to own both but for my riding style the 450L will be in my garage for along time! Only thing I miss about the ktm is how nimble it is but having single tracked a 650r BRP for like 8 years, the 450L additional weight I usually laugh at the guys complaining about that 😂 pick your poison both are great bikes it gets old seeing all the banter in the comments from brand loyal crap talkers lol!
Great job! Story + tech content/comparison = awesome video!
Thanks for checking it out!
Great video guys! I have been looking at the new KLX 300 but cant find a good informative video on it yet. Maybe in the near future you can put one out👍
Just seeing the adventure is the best gear selling point. Having specs read out to me is unrelatable
Go out have fun, crash, film it and share it. Great job guys and keep riding KTM!
can someone please explain the difference between enduro, trail, motocross, dual sports??? i thought that all dirt bikes are the same, i live in a third world country, i wish someday i saw atleast on in real life, since i was three or four i was just so obssed with dirt bikes,,,
@@nakachinjah7240 motocross is for motocross racing so high performance but lots of maintenance. trail is less performance but a lot less maintenance. now enduro is like motocross but it had lights,so you can ride on the road legally. and dual sports are like trail bikes with lights. dual sport is the best option if you're cheap like me.
@@poo4731 so can enduro travel long distances, enduro are like that bike that climb hills and insane things like that right??
@@nakachinjah7240 you could travel long distance but you'd have to change the oil very often. like the 450l you have to change the oil every 600 miles,while a dual sport like my klx300 you have to change the oil every 6000. Yes enduro bikes are the ones you see climbing crazy shit in compititions.
@@poo4731 imm, then what about that motorcycle that itchy boots ride , crf450l rally something like that, can that bike climbs hills, sorry if i;m bothering you, but i really want to understand the difference, even though there;s no way even if i live 100 yrs i won;t be able to afford it, i am just so interest in it, can enduro bikes be used as trial riding too, ??? i knew i sound stupid cause i am, i really don;t know anything about it, just obsessed with them
How long before the engine needs maintenance? Or rebuild ? Valves adjusted?
Great vid - stoked to see what you cook up for next!!!👌👌👌
Thanks! We'd like to do similar videos for some motocross/offroad bikes as well as different ADV bikes. - Josh
Really great video guys..... great footage, intelligent observations and commentary on all the relevant topics for the 1-2 day adventure/dual sport type. Unique and insightful. Really well done. I learned some new things and I've been riding for 30 years. Cheers.
Thanks for the comment Travis. We appreciate the feedback and the compliments. As long as you continue enjoying it, we'll keep pushing content out. - Wes
LOVE THIS VIDEO STYLE. Keep expanding on setups and the adventure. Would love to see this with the crf300l and klx300
I enjoy most of your videos, but this, for me, was some of the most enjoyable.
It was good to see both bikes with luggage and not presented as a shootout, but a general comparison.
I must say though that my preference leans towards the Honda.
Ride Safe guys.
Regards from S Africa
Clive
Thanks Clive! We'll work hard to keep videos like this coming!
That Honda is definitely a killer bike. Both of the bikes handled everything we threw at them, and both have their spots where they outshine the other. What aspects of the Honda do you like? - Josh
I like their reliability.
I had a CB750F when the came out in the 80's and loved it.
A couple of bikes after that, but with a young family starting, life got in ths way for a while.
I'm now riding a 2010 KLR650. It needs some TLC, but its simple and economical and within my techical ability to maintain.
Thanks for your articles...keep them coming.
Rgds from S Africa
Clive
Makes me want to go riding in Utah!!!
Utah definitely covers the gamut! We love it for off-road! -Wes
Outstanding video, thank you all.
Great video and very informative.
I’m seriously leaning towards the CRF450L. I’ve heard the Yoshimura single can exhaust and a power commander make a night and day difference on the CRF. The rumor is it’s still pretty quite but opens the bike up a lot. The power commander really smooths out the throttle response and makes the power much more manageable. I’d love to see a good review on what it can do.
Nothing like buying a Honda and having to put 2k in it.
@@peteh8077 You can say that about any street bike, they all come plugged up.
Both great performance dual sports, but both come with the maintenance. Want Honda to come out with a revised 650.
Burddog07 I would be happy with Honda 250 Rally
Looks like a great trip and well recorded!
Great video guys, finally a true documentary to see how those bikes perform. You just helped me make my decision for my future dream bike!
Glad the video helped you out! Which bike are you leaning towards?
Gonna go for the ktm just because I'm geared more towards off road and will sacrifice road comfort for a lighter bike. Both really great bikes though and I'm sure you can't go wrong with either.
After seeing "place beyond the pines" i want a dual sport. Maybe one day (:
Great movie!
Yeah you guys had life slap you in the face... much more entertaining that the regularly scheduled programming. lol
This stuff is gold. Thanks yall
good video and comparison i have a 2019 350 excf with a more dirt oriented setup but the rack and luggage system on the ktm looks great
I was kind of surprised by the weight of the Honda. Has the exhaust been swapped yet? I know that will drop a ton of weight and may help with that initial snap (with a tune). I would drop the side racks and go with a different luggage setup. I love my Giant Loop Coyote, I think it is a better compromise between the two setups you guys used this trip. Killer video! Hope that 400 has a new clutch by now.
Those tusk pannier racks are pretty heavy.
Giant Loop Coyote, traveling made so EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still torn between these two bikes...
Loving the content. Just finished the $500 5MOH series which was super entertaining to watch. Subbed.
Awesome, thank you!
As I have owned my 1999 Yamaha WR-400 F with Baja Designs street legal Kit for almost 20 years now ( bought it used in 2003) , all I can say is you guys are riding my kind of terrain 👍👍. Love the Local mountains here in Southern California where I live , trails from my home in San Diego up through local mountains and all the way down to the Anza Borrego Desert are very much like what you are doing in this video. There’s NOTHING like some Two -up or Three-up trail riding with your buddies!! Enjoyed seeing how the new bikes compared to us “ Old -Schoolers “😉👍. See you out on the trails…. 🤞