If you add the comic books into this, we find out that Ellie has been put into multiple people care within the military over and over and over and every time she asks to stay with said person they dump her back at the military school. This adds to her abandonment issues
I have to disagree, they were both the main character. The game succeeds because the player falls in love with their relationship, together they make the game, it's not joel and its not Elie, its them, their bantering, their growth , their ability to make each other better, and the complex nature of their love that grows during the journey.
@@beentheredonethat5908Exactly, yes. Both are protagonists. And Joel is taking on just as much of an emotional journey as Ellie; he's just a lot quieter about it.
The most telling part of Ellie's character in Part 1 was how she responded to Joel at the end. She KNEW he was lying to her, and she willingly accepted it for the sake of holding onto their relationship; even at the sake of her personal goals.
Understanding this is vital to get the full meaning of the final scene in TLAOU II, when she is alone, physiscally and metaphorically, in the house she used to live in with Dina and JJ. During that game Ellie, without realising, becomes the very thing she fears the most, she is completely alone.
To add onto this, I think the reason is because she *became* Joel. She was so hurt and so alone I believe she chooses solitude to avoid being hurt again.
@@casthedemon Do you just go to proTLOUII videos to spout your contrarian opinion/take or whatever you want to call it? If you dont like it then fucking let go and find something new. Game came out in 2020. Grow up
Her whole journey was to process her grief, her anger, and her pain of losing time with Joel. It isn’t until she could finally get all the poison out, push herself so far that she has to let go of her pain, that she remembers the one memory that brought closure and forgiveness with Joel. The light at the end of the tunnel. The memory that consolidated their entire relationship, and therefore, could crystallize her security in knowing how much Joel loved her and how much she loved him. Yeah, she lost her fingers, but Joel was more than a guitar. Ellie gained something stronger for herself.
Her journey has nothing to do with Joel, clearly, She would at the end of the game left with him to tommy but wanted to die so riley and others would matter, Joet took that from her that's why it was hard for her to forgive him
@@montescarpado That's completely irrelevant. She would have still done it even if it only had a 0.1% chance of working and you know it, and Joel doesn't care a bit about that when making his decision. That literally affects none of their decisions.
I shot like 10 innocent dogs in the side of the head with a 308 in this game fir her to js give up. PtII was good but had many issues with writing and pacing😂 and the gameplay doesn't match the story
This was some amazing insight into the story I haven't seen yet! I never put much thought into Ellie saying everyone she cares about either died or abandoned her, but this video put everything in a whole different context! Might have to replay the game with this new perspective. Great analysis man! Always look forward to your uploads, keep it up!
I just replayed the game when Part 1 came out on PS5, adding up to two play throughs, and still this video added a whole new perspective on the dialogue that I hadn’t considered before. Amazing game, amazing video
I can see now that this is really pissy of Joel, cuz she was fighting to make those deaths matter, and Joel took that away. She was also fighting for a purpose, to make her life mean something after everyone abandoned her over and over again, and Joel took that away too. I know Joel meant well but he at least could have told her the truth, to why he saved her, to maybe make her think there is someone who cares for her like she always wanted.
Fantastic video! It’s rare to see videos about Ellie from the first game, it’s mostly Joel. I love how you show Ellie perspective at the end, a lot of people were saying Ellie should get over it and stop being mean to Joel when the second game came out, but you’ve captured exactly why she couldn’t just do that. I hope to see more videos on the last of us from you soon.
It still pisses me off hearing Joel saying Ellie has no idea what loss is; *everyone* in this world has experienced loss, so Joel making that comment is especially selfish since he is a selfish character, appropriately.
Yeah but his type of loss is that of a daughter dying in his arms, and Ellie is just a kid. It's just like a kid nowadays claiming "I have it hard in life" and their parent tells them "back in my day it was way worse". It's just the typical adult not realizing what children can go through cause they can't see through their eyes
That’s not what he means by loss. Joel lost his way of life-his normalcy, his daughter. To him Ellie’s loses are minor because she was born in the world. As Dina put it and to paraphrase, everyone has lost someone. She also as far as we know doesn’t know what it’s like to lose someone dying in your arms or to feel helpless. She felt helpless watching him die and probably saw where he was coming from with Sarah right then and there.
Sarah literally died in his arms, and he knew and was with Sarah for like 15 years. Ellie did not know the people she was close with nearly as long as Joel. Joel then had to deal with the pain for like 20 years or was it 12 years or something, I can’t remember either way its a lot longer then how long Ellie had to deal with any of her loss. Yeah you could argue that she had to deal with the loss of never knowing her parents but she didn’t have to watch them die, Ellie was also used to never having a relationship with them, Joel had that suddenly ripped away from him and he had to deal with it for a extremely long time. And yes I realize Ellie had to watch Riley turn and probably had to kill her herself but Ellie didn’t have to deal with that pain for nearly as long as Joel.
Damn, this is good. I really enjoy your video essays, I always walk away getting a broader perspective. I always figured that she wanted to fight for a cure because she lost Riley, Tess and Sam to the infection but it's a lot more than that. I also did interpret what Ellie was saying at the end that she wanted to die too, like survivor's guilt. To want to matter and make the sacrifices worth it, that makes so much sense. Watching this solidifies for me that I really wish TLoU2 did something different with Ellie's character. So much can be expanded on knowing Ellie's motivations in the first game.
I mean, again, Joel and Ellie were duped by the Fireflies. They were totally incapable of producing a cure or even furthering the research into one. All the people she lost along the way died for actually nothing more than for her to live another day and in a real life scenario sometimes that's all you get, brother. If you think about it, it starts to hit a little different and puts life through hardship in a new perspective.
“But we fight for every second we get to spend with each other, whether it’s two minutes or two days, we don’t give that up” - To myself, this one is the missing gold nugget. Pls remember.
Honestly this video gave me a new perspective on Ellie. Perhaps her questioning Joel is her confirming that he wants to stay with her. If she got so mad about him potentially pawning her off on Tommy then maybe she's holding out hope that he does in fact want her as his new daughter. They very clearly care about each other and since she can read his emotions so well, she probably could tell he was lying at the end and realize how important she is to him which is the only reason she didn't call him out for it at the end. Just my little theory. Although her reaction to the truth in part two doesn't support this theory much.
This is exactly why TLOU2 didn't make sense. It didn't make sense for the last half of the game for Ellie to abandon Dina. Even halfway through after the subway and when Ellie learned Dina was preggers, it didn't make sense for her to continue 'muh heckin revenge mission'. That's why they had to fill in the story with so many flashbacks because they had to force it. It would've made more sense for her to be scared *for* dina and the town that some ghosts were willing to hunt them down and it was a proactive revenge but in that case, they would've had the whole town go after Abby's group.
@@KingSlayer_. Ellie cared for Dina. It wouldn't make sense for her to purposefully put her in harm's way because her core wound is fear of loss. She just lost Joel why the hell would she put the only other person that is super close to her in harms way. Why the hell would she abandon that person at the end to go on a suicide mission. Then again, Ellie is female so... Expecting logic is maybe my error.
I urge anyone that hasn’t played part 1 to get it eventually. This game is my favourite and even I didn’t wanna have to get a whole new console for one game I’ve already played. But after playing it, it’s the closest thing to having a first time again. The facial expressions alone are reason. As it add a whole new depth to the scene. Depth that it missed before, shockingly, but we didn’t know any better. I’m not saying everyone run out and buy a ps5. Even I didn’t do that, I played while staying at a friends house, BUT when the ps4 dies out and the 5 becomes everyone’s new console, definitely play this game again, the remade version. It blew my mind and fans of the game will adore it. I wasn’t convinced when it was being released, but once I saw it, it’s jaw dropping. It felt like experiencing and old beloved game with fresh eyes, seeing parts it wasn’t possible to see before and it’s still very emotion because of this. I hope all the cynics can give it a chance some day. It’s incredible.
What this whole analysis doesnt consider is that back in in the farmhouse near Jackson when she ran off on the horse is that she asks Joel not to abandon her and Joel did not. Ellie never said afterwards that if it comes to making a vaccine he should abandon her (what her beeing killed would ultimatly mean). So all he did was what Ellie asked him to, in the hospital he chose for the second time not to abandon her. Given that there were no other options to not abandon her than to kill the fireflys and get her out of there he really only did what she asked him to. So her saying in Part II that she was supposed to die in the hospital and Joel took that from her is basicly nonsense because he only did what he was asked by her. It also means Ellie expected him to not abandon her knowing there is a good chance that they get close given both of their history (yes she knew that because she is really smart and can come to such conclusions as thoroughly proven in this video) only then to expect him to abandon her, which would finally and completly destroy Joel, without even mentioning it to him. So she basicly said she expected Joel to torture and punish himself in the most cruel and painful way thats imaginable for him (losing a second daughter, which she undoubtedly became). In my opinion ellie didnt even have the right to be upset or feel betrayed because if anything Joel was loyal to her.
i know that this video focuses on ellie, but id like to add that any side you take in the house scene in wyoming it makes sense, Joel doesnt want to make the same mistake he did with his daughter and has trauma that he cant express, while Ellie wants to keep being with Joel for the sake of finally finding someone that doesnt drop her off to someone else great video, truly i loved this essay
This is exactly what made the first games story perfect and why I will never play the second or third game, the characters journey arcs where amazing, I played the first on release and have loved it ever since
@@TheTigerspy100% agree, TLOU2 is a different story One that tugged on my emotions unlike any other game, If you hate TLOU2 without even playing it first Then theres something wrong with the way you judge games
@@TheSadMusicianPlayed the game and here’s my not at all hot take: Ellie’s story was a flawed but good story. TLOU2s attempts at getting people to sympathize with Abby failed, not just because people liked Joel too much but because she’s an unsympathetic and poorly written character, as is almost everyone related to her part of the story (including Lev). Seeing this does not require playing the game, you can watch it on UA-cam and come to the exact same conclusion because the problems are so glaringly obvious. The fact that the top comment doesn’t want to go from playing a masterpiece to playing a game that’s good at best, and does a disservice to the main character of TLOU1, is perfectly reasonable. There’s even an argument to be made that TLOU2 failed Ellie, too, but that’s a bit more subjective, since they actually told a story with Ellie, and didn’t just kill her and spit on her grave
@@JoeySehn I understand that the second games story and characters are not for everyone which I will not argue over. but the second game in no way did a disservice to Joel. Instead he reaped what he sowed in the second game. If anyone did a disservice it was him to Ellie in the first game. And a further disservice to her in the second by not preparing her for the possibility that he will likely have a violent death. As Joel no doubt made far more enemies then just Abby. A man does not live the life Joel did without making people that want to see him die in brutal ways. That life being the killing and robbing he did before Boston and the smuggling he did while in Boston. The only difference between any of them and Abby is that Abby found him first.
one of the best analyses I have ever watched. Hope you can do some videos on part 2 I’m really curious about how you will interpret Ellie’s motive in the 2.
What sucks is he could have told her they got a sanple and sent them on their way and it'd have made her feels better. I think his lines were written keeping in mind the files that were originally in that last level detailing their failed attempts with other immune
@@IronheartvsMiles maybe but she was not awake during the whole ordeal. she deserved to atleast known she was finna die choice was taken from her regardless of joels choice.
To add to the “pointlessness” of the deaths of those who helped her on her journey to the fireflies, all of those deaths were tied to the infection. Riley, Tess, and Sam got bit eventually leading to their deaths. Henry kills himself because he no longer had anything to live for after his brother was gone. As someone who could potentially be the solution to this, she probably had an even greater incentive to want to sacrifice herself so that no more deaths like those could happen
Really good video. You should do one on the fireflies as an organization. Would they really use the cure responsibly or would it just be another way to control people?
That’s why she becomes almost sick when she learns in the 2nd game of Joel lying to her when she gives him what I call the “ ultimatum “ she realizes that there sacrifices of the people she lost meant absolutely nothing. They died for no reason at all and she lived for no reason at all.
Time stamp 7:00 stays w ellie all the way to part 2 watch the hotel scene. & Riley was pretty selfish for this & cute too so she could last every second w Ellie.
How were the fireflies going to make this cure? All the medical tech has been neglected or destroyed for over 20 years and there is no means of storage for organs to run test on? Also, to find people still alive not just do the surgery but to have extensive knowledge of fungal infection? Also that's if the Cure even works! Or how the mass production of the "cure" would even happen? Also, how many of people can honestly let this happen and this is right?
One other thing about that last scene, where she lists Riley, Tess, and Sam specifically, these are all people who died directly (or in Tess’s case indirectly because it led to her last stand) by the infection. These would all have been preventable deaths if her immunity was turned into a vaccine. So not only is she saying, do these deaths mean nothing, she is also saying, are you denying any possibility deaths like these could be preventable in the future. This sounded a lot more profound in my head
It's the same reasonings why we still use all the medical knowledge we gained from the torture that the nazis put the Jews through. What the nazis did was horrible and disgusting, But if we don't use the knowledge that they gained, all those innocents that were lost and killed would be deemed nothing meaningless. And just like Ellie, I'm sure the survivors felt and feel the same way when they got to live full lives. "Why me? What made me special? How am I different than the others? I don't matter." And the sad reality is they mattered before they became "special" and "lucky". That those people that lost their lives probably would've told them as much. Love the videos, even if I'm just watching some of the older ones.💚
I think we´re missing something importan. Ellie in Part II did said what would she have chosed: death, now this just reafirms your point, I just wanted to point out.
I think joel did right. He lied like all parents do, to protect her. He was faced with his daughter dying for a chance. Not a sure thing. A chance. And ellie would have wanted to take that chance. But joel wanted to give her, her life. Her future. The future sam was robbed. He did nothing wrong. Put yourself in his shoes, do you tell her you slaughter the only people who had a chance to develop a cure? I cant say i would. And if they could do this with 0 chances of failure, then yes. Joel did wrong. But thats not how the game portrayed it.
Have some kids, then you'll understand what Joel meant when he said "You have no idea what loss is." There is no amount that a man can lose, that would surpass watching his child die. It's absurdly ignorant that you couldn't pick up on that
Joel isn't being a jerk to be a jerk. Its not who he is its who his experiences have shaped him into. He's being rude, condescending and downright awful to protect her. He's afraid he can't protect her the same way he failed to protect his daughter so he's being a jerk to make her hate him so she will find someone else to protect her. He'd much rather her hate him and live than love him and die. He'll shoulder that hate because he genuinely cares for her and wants what's best for her and his loss of his daughter has convinced him he is never what's best for anybody. This is a pretty common thought process for broken males and why they cheat or leave their wives and kids. "I'm such a piece of shit they'll be better off without me and with me out of the picture maybe they can find someone who can give them and love them the way they truly deserve." You might see him as this unstoppable juggernaut survivor but he sees himself as this piece of crap that has scraped, clawed and did awful underhanded things for every precious second of life while unsuccessfully keeping the people he loved alive.
I hope if a third installment is made the ending will leave Ellie sacrificing herself so that scientists can develop a cure (and we as the audience still don’t even know if it works or not) maybe Abbie has to sacrifice herself as well in order to help get Ellie there
All this makes her sudden shift in the sequel make even less sense. If anyone could understand what Joel did to avoid losing her like he lost his first daughter, it's her. She wouldn't willingly do that to him, and they didn't even give her the choice. By the time Joel learns the truth, the only way to stop the surgery is through bloodshed.
Every I have cared for has either died or left me...Everyone except for you! Ellie, you will abandon me in the 2nd game, why do you want me to stay? If you are going to do the same to me that everyone else has done to you? Go with tommy and die! lol
Which if you watch The Last Of Us on HBO what Joel says is true their is a lot more people like Ellie. I wish they would go back and remake the game. In the remake give the player the option to do the right things. In both of the games. In this last if I was giving the choice I would pick tell you truth. There was chance of sucess for vaccine because there no vaccine for this type of verius. Those death were pointless because there never was chance for cure.
Why does everyone stretch their arseholes out of shape to make Joel out to be the bad guy? Losing a good friend is nothing like losing a daughter. Tess was clearly more important to Joel than she was to Ellie. Not to compare tragedies, but making Joel the bad guy despite his own issues and experiences is reductive and dishonest. As if Joel was just a selfish prick who stole her purpose away... she'd be dead and there would be no part 2 or 3... and we'd never get to meet Abby ❤
@@collectiveleak Ellie wanted to be special just like any other gay person or this new generation of persons. That's what I meant to say. And dude I'm from Curacao, forming 100% correct English isn't important to me. I can speak 4 other languages anyway.
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If you add the comic books into this, we find out that Ellie has been put into multiple people care within the military over and over and over and every time she asks to stay with said person they dump her back at the military school. This adds to her abandonment issues
What comic book?
@@corneliuspildershmidtThe Last Of Us: American Dreams.
The moment we realize that Joel wasn't the main character, it was Ellie, and Joel was just the vessel for the players to see her grow.
Just like The Walking Dead game with Lee and Clementine.
@@spaceorion8939 not sure if this counts really but especially at the end of everything where you finally take control do ajs dialogue
I have to disagree, they were both the main character. The game succeeds because the player falls in love with their relationship, together they make the game, it's not joel and its not Elie, its them, their bantering, their growth , their ability to make each other better, and the complex nature of their love that grows during the journey.
@@beentheredonethat5908Exactly, yes. Both are protagonists. And Joel is taking on just as much of an emotional journey as Ellie; he's just a lot quieter about it.
you are so wrong on this 💀
The most telling part of Ellie's character in Part 1 was how she responded to Joel at the end.
She KNEW he was lying to her, and she willingly accepted it for the sake of holding onto their relationship; even at the sake of her personal goals.
That only shows it was bound to tear them apart though when the truth inevitably comes out it wasn't going to last
This really puts into perspective of Ellie's reasoning for why she abandoned Joel and Tommy.
Understanding this is vital to get the full meaning of the final scene in TLAOU II, when she is alone, physiscally and metaphorically, in the house she used to live in with Dina and JJ. During that game Ellie, without realising, becomes the very thing she fears the most, she is completely alone.
To add onto this, I think the reason is because she *became* Joel. She was so hurt and so alone I believe she chooses solitude to avoid being hurt again.
If only it wasn't poorly written.
@@casthedemon Yep
@@ZanZander-el7te hahaha as if. XD That's a poor take.
@@casthedemon Do you just go to proTLOUII videos to spout your contrarian opinion/take or whatever you want to call it? If you dont like it then fucking let go and find something new. Game came out in 2020. Grow up
The delivery of "You are treading on some mighty thin ice", from Troy gets me every time.
Her whole journey was to process her grief, her anger, and her pain of losing time with Joel. It isn’t until she could finally get all the poison out, push herself so far that she has to let go of her pain, that she remembers the one memory that brought closure and forgiveness with Joel. The light at the end of the tunnel. The memory that consolidated their entire relationship, and therefore, could crystallize her security in knowing how much Joel loved her and how much she loved him.
Yeah, she lost her fingers, but Joel was more than a guitar. Ellie gained something stronger for herself.
Her journey has nothing to do with Joel, clearly, She would at the end of the game left with him to tommy but wanted to die so riley and others would matter, Joet took that from her that's why it was hard for her to forgive him
dude, part one is in the title of the video
@@Gamfluent yesah the fireflies didn't even know what they were doing, 100% sure that it would NOT have worked
@@montescarpado That's completely irrelevant. She would have still done it even if it only had a 0.1% chance of working and you know it, and Joel doesn't care a bit about that when making his decision. That literally affects none of their decisions.
I shot like 10 innocent dogs in the side of the head with a 308 in this game fir her to js give up. PtII was good but had many issues with writing and pacing😂 and the gameplay doesn't match the story
Can't wait to watch this later! I think her journey isn't discussed as much and I am glad someone is doing an analysis on her journey
This was some amazing insight into the story I haven't seen yet! I never put much thought into Ellie saying everyone she cares about either died or abandoned her, but this video put everything in a whole different context! Might have to replay the game with this new perspective. Great analysis man! Always look forward to your uploads, keep it up!
I just replayed the game when Part 1 came out on PS5, adding up to two play throughs, and still this video added a whole new perspective on the dialogue that I hadn’t considered before. Amazing game, amazing video
I can see now that this is really pissy of Joel, cuz she was fighting to make those deaths matter, and Joel took that away. She was also fighting for a purpose, to make her life mean something after everyone abandoned her over and over again, and Joel took that away too. I know Joel meant well but he at least could have told her the truth, to why he saved her, to maybe make her think there is someone who cares for her like she always wanted.
Fantastic video! It’s rare to see videos about Ellie from the first game, it’s mostly Joel. I love how you show Ellie perspective at the end, a lot of people were saying Ellie should get over it and stop being mean to Joel when the second game came out, but you’ve captured exactly why she couldn’t just do that. I hope to see more videos on the last of us from you soon.
It still pisses me off hearing Joel saying Ellie has no idea what loss is; *everyone* in this world has experienced loss, so Joel making that comment is especially selfish since he is a selfish character, appropriately.
Yeah but his type of loss is that of a daughter dying in his arms, and Ellie is just a kid. It's just like a kid nowadays claiming "I have it hard in life" and their parent tells them "back in my day it was way worse". It's just the typical adult not realizing what children can go through cause they can't see through their eyes
Let's just call it bad writing. That line makes no sense.
That’s not what he means by loss. Joel lost his way of life-his normalcy, his daughter. To him Ellie’s loses are minor because she was born in the world. As Dina put it and to paraphrase, everyone has lost someone. She also as far as we know doesn’t know what it’s like to lose someone dying in your arms or to feel helpless. She felt helpless watching him die and probably saw where he was coming from with Sarah right then and there.
Sarah literally died in his arms, and he knew and was with Sarah for like 15 years. Ellie did not know the people she was close with nearly as long as Joel. Joel then had to deal with the pain for like 20 years or was it 12 years or something, I can’t remember either way its a lot longer then how long Ellie had to deal with any of her loss. Yeah you could argue that she had to deal with the loss of never knowing her parents but she didn’t have to watch them die, Ellie was also used to never having a relationship with them, Joel had that suddenly ripped away from him and he had to deal with it for a extremely long time. And yes I realize Ellie had to watch Riley turn and probably had to kill her herself but Ellie didn’t have to deal with that pain for nearly as long as Joel.
Damn, this is good. I really enjoy your video essays, I always walk away getting a broader perspective. I always figured that she wanted to fight for a cure because she lost Riley, Tess and Sam to the infection but it's a lot more than that. I also did interpret what Ellie was saying at the end that she wanted to die too, like survivor's guilt. To want to matter and make the sacrifices worth it, that makes so much sense.
Watching this solidifies for me that I really wish TLoU2 did something different with Ellie's character. So much can be expanded on knowing Ellie's motivations in the first game.
Excellent analysis, and very thought provoking/eye opening. Well done!
Amazing video man. Essays like this keep reminding me how much i love these games (yes, part 2 as well). Cant wait to watch the show this weekend!
I mean, again, Joel and Ellie were duped by the Fireflies. They were totally incapable of producing a cure or even furthering the research into one. All the people she lost along the way died for actually nothing more than for her to live another day and in a real life scenario sometimes that's all you get, brother. If you think about it, it starts to hit a little different and puts life through hardship in a new perspective.
I would really love to see part II. That's the one I struggle with and would like to see your analysis.
Another great essay Brett!
I glad to have discovered you during your channel renaissance.🙏
“But we fight for every second we get to spend with each other, whether it’s two minutes or two days, we don’t give that up” - To myself, this one is the missing gold nugget. Pls remember.
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Keep it up this great analysis videos! It makes a person appreciate even more this game and it's story
Honestly this video gave me a new perspective on Ellie. Perhaps her questioning Joel is her confirming that he wants to stay with her. If she got so mad about him potentially pawning her off on Tommy then maybe she's holding out hope that he does in fact want her as his new daughter. They very clearly care about each other and since she can read his emotions so well, she probably could tell he was lying at the end and realize how important she is to him which is the only reason she didn't call him out for it at the end. Just my little theory. Although her reaction to the truth in part two doesn't support this theory much.
The more I learn about this game thaalt I haven't caught while playing, the more I love this game.
can't wait for the video of ellies journey in part ll!
This is great, quality content. Truly enjoyed it; keep up the great work
This is exactly why TLOU2 didn't make sense. It didn't make sense for the last half of the game for Ellie to abandon Dina. Even halfway through after the subway and when Ellie learned Dina was preggers, it didn't make sense for her to continue 'muh heckin revenge mission'. That's why they had to fill in the story with so many flashbacks because they had to force it. It would've made more sense for her to be scared *for* dina and the town that some ghosts were willing to hunt them down and it was a proactive revenge but in that case, they would've had the whole town go after Abby's group.
No, but the themes though.
Don't you know you can't write a story with themes *and* internal consistency?
This comment doesn't really make any sense. It's a completely different relationship between Dina and Ellie and Ellie and Joel..
She should’ve brought her back to the camp as soon as she found out she was pregnant
@@KingSlayer_. Ellie cared for Dina. It wouldn't make sense for her to purposefully put her in harm's way because her core wound is fear of loss. She just lost Joel why the hell would she put the only other person that is super close to her in harms way. Why the hell would she abandon that person at the end to go on a suicide mission. Then again, Ellie is female so... Expecting logic is maybe my error.
@@1x93cm judging by that last comment, I expect this entire video fell on deaf ears. Go back to the cave you crawled out of
This was a very insightful video! Looking forward to part 2!
i didn't even watch it yet but let me say already: Thanks Fat Brett
I urge anyone that hasn’t played part 1 to get it eventually. This game is my favourite and even I didn’t wanna have to get a whole new console for one game I’ve already played. But after playing it, it’s the closest thing to having a first time again. The facial expressions alone are reason. As it add a whole new depth to the scene. Depth that it missed before, shockingly, but we didn’t know any better. I’m not saying everyone run out and buy a ps5. Even I didn’t do that, I played while staying at a friends house, BUT when the ps4 dies out and the 5 becomes everyone’s new console, definitely play this game again, the remade version. It blew my mind and fans of the game will adore it. I wasn’t convinced when it was being released, but once I saw it, it’s jaw dropping. It felt like experiencing and old beloved game with fresh eyes, seeing parts it wasn’t possible to see before and it’s still very emotion because of this. I hope all the cynics can give it a chance some day. It’s incredible.
My friend, you deserve many more subscribers! Hope you hit 1 million by next year!
I bet Ellie would be amazing in eSports if she had a computer
What this whole analysis doesnt consider is that back in in the farmhouse near Jackson when she ran off on the horse is that she asks Joel not to abandon her and Joel did not. Ellie never said afterwards that if it comes to making a vaccine he should abandon her (what her beeing killed would ultimatly mean). So all he did was what Ellie asked him to, in the hospital he chose for the second time not to abandon her. Given that there were no other options to not abandon her than to kill the fireflys and get her out of there he really only did what she asked him to. So her saying in Part II that she was supposed to die in the hospital and Joel took that from her is basicly nonsense because he only did what he was asked by her. It also means Ellie expected him to not abandon her knowing there is a good chance that they get close given both of their history (yes she knew that because she is really smart and can come to such conclusions as thoroughly proven in this video) only then to expect him to abandon her, which would finally and completly destroy Joel, without even mentioning it to him. So she basicly said she expected Joel to torture and punish himself in the most cruel and painful way thats imaginable for him (losing a second daughter, which she undoubtedly became). In my opinion ellie didnt even have the right to be upset or feel betrayed because if anything Joel was loyal to her.
joel is selfish
This video is amazing men 👏🏾👏🏾
i know that this video focuses on ellie, but id like to add that any side you take in the house scene in wyoming it makes sense, Joel doesnt want to make the same mistake he did with his daughter and has trauma that he cant express, while Ellie wants to keep being with Joel for the sake of finally finding someone that doesnt drop her off to someone else
great video, truly i loved this essay
This is exactly what made the first games story perfect and why I will never play the second or third game, the characters journey arcs where amazing, I played the first on release and have loved it ever since
You're lying to yourself if you think this is a grand ending without continuing their story in Part 2. Don't be a Joel and play Part 2.
@@TheTigerspy100% agree, TLOU2 is a different story
One that tugged on my emotions unlike any other game, If you hate TLOU2 without even playing it first
Then theres something wrong with the way you judge games
@@TheSadMusicianPlayed the game and here’s my not at all hot take: Ellie’s story was a flawed but good story. TLOU2s attempts at getting people to sympathize with Abby failed, not just because people liked Joel too much but because she’s an unsympathetic and poorly written character, as is almost everyone related to her part of the story (including Lev).
Seeing this does not require playing the game, you can watch it on UA-cam and come to the exact same conclusion because the problems are so glaringly obvious.
The fact that the top comment doesn’t want to go from playing a masterpiece to playing a game that’s good at best, and does a disservice to the main character of TLOU1, is perfectly reasonable.
There’s even an argument to be made that TLOU2 failed Ellie, too, but that’s a bit more subjective, since they actually told a story with Ellie, and didn’t just kill her and spit on her grave
@@JoeySehn but that scene with Joel and Ellie on the porch.... 🥺
@@JoeySehn I understand that the second games story and characters are not for everyone which I will not argue over.
but the second game in no way did a disservice to Joel. Instead he reaped what he sowed in the second game. If anyone did a disservice it was him to Ellie in the first game. And a further disservice to her in the second by not preparing her for the possibility that he will likely have a violent death. As Joel no doubt made far more enemies then just Abby. A man does not live the life Joel did without making people that want to see him die in brutal ways. That life being the killing and robbing he did before Boston and the smuggling he did while in Boston. The only difference between any of them and Abby is that Abby found him first.
Another banger. And love the new outro.
13:09 that should is going to be so ace in the show omg can't wait
good video big guy.
12:05 can't lie, this is funnier than i'd expect it to be.
one of the best analyses I have ever watched. Hope you can do some videos on part 2 I’m really curious about how you will interpret Ellie’s motive in the 2.
What sucks is he could have told her they got a sanple and sent them on their way and it'd have made her feels better. I think his lines were written keeping in mind the files that were originally in that last level detailing their failed attempts with other immune
Homeric Odyssey is apt here since I believe Ellie is a Greek Tragedy ultimately.
woulda been so much simpler if joel just said to her that they were going to kill her lol
Unfortunately Joel is a selfish person and doesn't want her to hate him
Comment makes no sense, she knew that she wanted to die for riley etc, you can't be that slow
@@IronheartvsMiles maybe but she was not awake during the whole ordeal.
she deserved to atleast known she was finna die choice was taken from her regardless of joels choice.
Wow so I hate the ending even more now, a good ending but enraging knowing it’ll never continue in any meaningful way outside my head
This is really good
Man i wish we got a Part 2.
I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY ELLIE NEVER TALKED ABOUT RILEY IN PART TWO WHEN CLEARLY SHE LOVED HER.
Exactly! Or even tess
I think that her life did have a meaning, to Joel.
Dumb comment, riley etc didn't die for joel they die for ellie. for her to matter ellie much do something about it
@@IronheartvsMiles why is it dumb? tell me your reasoning. (Elaborate more)
Quality video
To add to the “pointlessness” of the deaths of those who helped her on her journey to the fireflies, all of those deaths were tied to the infection. Riley, Tess, and Sam got bit eventually leading to their deaths. Henry kills himself because he no longer had anything to live for after his brother was gone. As someone who could potentially be the solution to this, she probably had an even greater incentive to want to sacrifice herself so that no more deaths like those could happen
Great video. Wondering why you chose the remaster instead of the remake for footage.
Brilliant bro
Really good video. You should do one on the fireflies as an organization. Would they really use the cure responsibly or would it just be another way to control people?
That's if they able to make one.
@@Darkmind900
Considering their other trials didn’t work, who knows?
I don't think we're given enough information to suggest otherwise
Great video and analysis, but I have one correction: the zombie disease is a fungus, not a virus.
So good
These are so damn good. What’s the name of that music you used in this one and Joel’s essay?
The music is from Twilight Princess.
Temple of Time
Beast in the Village
Forest Temple
Faron Woods
Snowpeak
Just beat the game for the first time today.
The cutscene in the farmhouse was partly unscripted.
"Everyone - fucking except for you." was raw Ashley Johnson.
That’s why she becomes almost sick when she learns in the 2nd game of Joel lying to her when she gives him what I call the “ ultimatum “ she realizes that there sacrifices of the people she lost meant absolutely nothing. They died for no reason at all and she lived for no reason at all.
The line about this being a consensual scene is what puts me off on this take as he was drunk and she wasn't, that makes me really uncomfortable
ellie in a nutshell: survivor's guilt
Time stamp 7:00 stays w ellie all the way to part 2 watch the hotel scene.
& Riley was pretty selfish for this & cute too so she could last every second w Ellie.
How were the fireflies going to make this cure? All the medical tech has been neglected or destroyed for over 20 years and there is no means of storage for organs to run test on? Also, to find people still alive not just do the surgery but to have extensive knowledge of fungal infection? Also that's if the Cure even works! Or how the mass production of the "cure" would even happen?
Also, how many of people can honestly let this happen and this is right?
You made literally all of that up
Idk if you’ll see the comment, but what music was in the background of the video around the 20:48 mark?
One other thing about that last scene, where she lists Riley, Tess, and Sam specifically, these are all people who died directly (or in Tess’s case indirectly because it led to her last stand) by the infection. These would all have been preventable deaths if her immunity was turned into a vaccine. So not only is she saying, do these deaths mean nothing, she is also saying, are you denying any possibility deaths like these could be preventable in the future.
This sounded a lot more profound in my head
It's the same reasonings why we still use all the medical knowledge we gained from the torture that the nazis put the Jews through. What the nazis did was horrible and disgusting, But if we don't use the knowledge that they gained, all those innocents that were lost and killed would be deemed nothing meaningless. And just like Ellie, I'm sure the survivors felt and feel the same way when they got to live full lives. "Why me? What made me special? How am I different than the others? I don't matter." And the sad reality is they mattered before they became "special" and "lucky". That those people that lost their lives probably would've told them as much.
Love the videos, even if I'm just watching some of the older ones.💚
I think we´re missing something importan. Ellie in Part II did said what would she have chosed: death, now this just reafirms your point, I just wanted to point out.
Any chance of a red dead redemption 2 análisis
Wow
I think joel did right. He lied like all parents do, to protect her. He was faced with his daughter dying for a chance. Not a sure thing. A chance. And ellie would have wanted to take that chance. But joel wanted to give her, her life. Her future. The future sam was robbed. He did nothing wrong. Put yourself in his shoes, do you tell her you slaughter the only people who had a chance to develop a cure? I cant say i would. And if they could do this with 0 chances of failure, then yes. Joel did wrong. But thats not how the game portrayed it.
Honest question: why not using the remake version to illustrate?
PS5 is hard to find :(
Have some kids, then you'll understand what Joel meant when he said "You have no idea what loss is." There is no amount that a man can lose, that would surpass watching his child die. It's absurdly ignorant that you couldn't pick up on that
Agreed.
That's like complaining to Frank Castle about your losses as a 14-year old.
Joel is selfish
Great analysis, actually makes me appreciate the second game more (and I'm not a big fan of it to begin with)
Marlene got to utah before joel and ellie did. What was the community’s argument on this?
Joel spent most of winter in a garage being stitched up by Ellie
I also feel like she had more people with her and maibe cars
So my question is does Ellie know Joel is lying and rolls with it or does she really believe him??
Depends on your interpretation of it
Who's the guy at 17:48
Joel isn't being a jerk to be a jerk. Its not who he is its who his experiences have shaped him into. He's being rude, condescending and downright awful to protect her. He's afraid he can't protect her the same way he failed to protect his daughter so he's being a jerk to make her hate him so she will find someone else to protect her.
He'd much rather her hate him and live than love him and die. He'll shoulder that hate because he genuinely cares for her and wants what's best for her and his loss of his daughter has convinced him he is never what's best for anybody.
This is a pretty common thought process for broken males and why they cheat or leave their wives and kids. "I'm such a piece of shit they'll be better off without me and with me out of the picture maybe they can find someone who can give them and love them the way they truly deserve."
You might see him as this unstoppable juggernaut survivor but he sees himself as this piece of crap that has scraped, clawed and did awful underhanded things for every precious second of life while unsuccessfully keeping the people he loved alive.
Loved it! However there are no zombies in this universe.
I hope if a third installment is made the ending will leave Ellie sacrificing herself so that scientists can develop a cure (and we as the audience still don’t even know if it works or not) maybe Abbie has to sacrifice herself as well in order to help get Ellie there
It would cancel the meaning of the first game for me
Damn I just realized all their deaths were pointless
All this makes her sudden shift in the sequel make even less sense. If anyone could understand what Joel did to avoid losing her like he lost his first daughter, it's her. She wouldn't willingly do that to him, and they didn't even give her the choice. By the time Joel learns the truth, the only way to stop the surgery is through bloodshed.
How do we know that she wont pass her immunity onto her kids? The "scientists" never once considered or tried that. Maybe her purpose is being a mom.
Wow, as if I didn't think Marlene was bad before, but now after this video, I'm sure she's way worst than I remember.
Joel didn’t lie, just wait for part 3.
Joel told Ellie the opposite of information he was presented aka a lie
Every I have cared for has either died or left me...Everyone except for you!
Ellie, you will abandon me in the 2nd game, why do you want me to stay? If you are going to do the same to me that everyone else has done to you? Go with tommy and die!
lol
you think that’s bad? Read journal. From Jackson to Santa Barbara. Apparently, all of Los Angeles is nothing but the dead
Which if you watch The Last Of Us on HBO what Joel says is true their is a lot more people like Ellie. I wish they would go back and remake the game. In the remake give the player the option to do the right things. In both of the games. In this last if I was giving the choice I would pick tell you truth. There was chance of sucess for vaccine because there no vaccine for this type of verius. Those death were pointless because there never was chance for cure.
Why does everyone stretch their arseholes out of shape to make Joel out to be the bad guy? Losing a good friend is nothing like losing a daughter. Tess was clearly more important to Joel than she was to Ellie. Not to compare tragedies, but making Joel the bad guy despite his own issues and experiences is reductive and dishonest.
As if Joel was just a selfish prick who stole her purpose away... she'd be dead and there would be no part 2 or 3... and we'd never get to meet Abby ❤
I would have been OK with not meeting that person...
I find your clarification shallow at times though.
How so?
"continental US" lmao... Geography at it's best
Umm…there are no zombies in The Last of Us 🙄
Zombies are the dead reanimated, NO stage of the infected are dead.
joel is selfish
Ellie just wanted to be special, a pronoun an SJW.
Can you form your sentences correctly?
@@collectiveleak Ellie wanted to be special just like any other gay person or this new generation of persons. That's what I meant to say. And dude I'm from Curacao, forming 100% correct English isn't important to me. I can speak 4 other languages anyway.
@@raydiabolico good for you 😅
@@StormBorn0301 thank you, you made my day, I'll print your comment and put it on my fridge. Ik Ben zo blij nu echt waar
@@raydiabolicoYou said she wanted to be a pronoun, whereas a pronoun is a part of the English language.
now I want to play Twilight Princess