Why Do Level 100s Play at 1.0?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- When I was new to War Thunder, I found myself commonly dying to people who I felt didn’t belong at 1.0. I’m sure you’ve also been there, starting fresh, only for a level 100 to roll up and smoke you..... In this video, I'll be answering the question a lot of new players have: "Why do level 100s play at 1.0?"
Before leaving a comment attacking me, I am also level 100. This video was not to "out" you guys lol. It is only something I found interesting and wanted to make a video about.
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Glad you included helping new players, I hate seal clubbers but usually it’s people starting a new nation but there’s also the 100’s that play low tier because of the influx of low levels purchasing high tier premiums and making it unenjoyable for you as your team just gets decimated because they have no idea what they’re doing.
Sorry if it’s a bit of a rant, but great video man
@@q-minus_userprofile i appreciate it a lot
@@Wubb333 hi, could you also do this test when some major event starts (for vehicles) cause ammount of lvl 100s in low tier increases, im also guilty of it too, cause it was easy way to get 4K score using 20mm puma.
Now do "how many Lvl 1s at top tier"
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probably about half way too many its why i avoid top tier cause most people there dont know what they are doing and it gets boring fast
I saw a lvl 16 at 8.7 4 times.
certified turms moment
@@Ineedsleep1941you sound like you’re hovering around the lvl 50 range yourself
Low BR is actually fun, thats why. No bias, just equal tanks and weak CAS
Compared to top tier where you can die within like 10 seconds of spawning or people using all sorts of gadgets to win it’s not really as fun compared to low tier where you can do anything without fancy gadgets to hide behind, or crazy op tanks
@@randomstuff4997
Ten seconds is generous. Maps where there are ways to fire into opponents spawn will inevitably draw sniper spawn-campers. I have been destroyed within a few meters multiple times.
First team to get aircraft up typically wins easily. I spawn in with AA on high-tier to try to stop this. If the team you’re on gets aircraft first, then you don’t get to do much.
High tier is cancer.
Spoken like a true skill issue
@@boggisthecat yeah…. 😭
No bias and equal tanks is completely false, people just don’t bitch about the balance there like in high ranks.
With that said, it is absolutely fun, as fun as higher ranks if not more.
Because low tier is not only more fun than high tier, but objectively much funnier
yes its more fun because u get to ruin the game for new players and get a ton of kills
@@AlenB29Lol exactly
@@AlenB29you don’t have top tier do you
@@KingOfTheCrabzhe doesnt ;) i like toptier more bc i love leoparda
@AlenB29 don't worry, new players get their revenge on the level 100s by buying premium top tiers and ruining games at our BR
low tier is more fun than fucking top tier and i stand by it
true. there is no fun past 6.7
@@marcoandaloro7925there is a few fun things past 6.7 but its very limited
Apparently, by this metric I am also a seal clubber. Generous of him to assume I’m any good.
@@marcoandaloro7925Maus at 7.7
I prefer rank 5-6. rank 1 and top tier are trash, and rank 3-4 are meh.
As a level 100, I do sometimes feel bad when I drop down to like 1.3 and start smacking players, but I do it to escape the monotonous grind that is high-top tier. Also, a lot of the fun, goofy vehicles are at those low brs, which is something you just don’t get to experience at the higher ends of the game. You can be a lot more goofy and pull off a lot more shenanigans when down low. I mean, some of those matches are like something out of Looney Toons, and it’s just fun to, well, have fun in War Thunder.
Sometimes I'll ask why level 100's play low tiers and they just get really toxic over it when in reality it makes life for people who actually want and need to grind low tiers as a low level extremely hard and tedious.
Have fun? In warthunder? What is this? Another dimension??
@@tutelbomb I always check who revenge bombed me and it's always the lvl 100 sealclubbers even when I'm not even in a strategic position, they get so salty when you dig them out from their camping spot😂
I felt kind of bad going into the starting BRs on Sweden when I started researching the Swede planes. was fun getting to dogfight again though since that rarely happens at high BRs
@@Fenryr7 funniest shit killing a level 100 stug 3 spawn camper
Youre a perfect example of lvl 100s playing low Brs and seal clubbing :)
i mean its how i got the background footage 😭
Well no need , there are replays online 😂
im using them for another project, but usually its just my own gameplay lol
Bro if it was seal clubbing he would be going for stat boosting
Or for the goofy times
I'm level 100 and I like to play low tiers (2.0 - 5.7). Why? Because it's fun, because it's MUCH more balanced than higher BR, because I like WW2 vehicles
completely agree
@@Wubb333 and low tiers have huge amount of UNIQUE vechicles
Lower BRs like 3-6ish are not what I'd call seal clubbing while I was going up a tech tree. I get a lot of people enjoy the WW2 era. I've had a lot of fun in the ISes, T-34s and so on for a long time. It's pretty balanced and diverse in skill levels.
It's really the BR1.0 "experts" that would get on my nerves when starting a new grind. Then again after a short evening of playing you're way up in rank 3 already so whatever... I guess it's the massive skill gap and braindead "complete-noob farming" aspect of it. For a short while when starting a tree you meet a lot of players with absolutely zero grasp of the game. It's goofy while it lasts but I feel dirty staying there for too long... And then there are these guys.
balance is when I have a clear advantage
@@user-he1ff9fs9n
You shouldn’t be limited to high tiers just because you’re experienced. And you are wrong, lower tiers are more balanced
From a level 80 player: in short literally just because it’s more fun
Well, there is one thing that plays a big factor in that, especially notice'able in ground RB (in air RB too, but to lesser extent since ground has respawning).
All the wallet warrior noobs buy a high tier premium before even playing the game properly. They proceed to go into high tier games, die instantly without seeing anything, and leave. Because of this, high tier games almost never turn into interesting encounters. You NEVER see intense fights, clutches, enemies fighting to their last player and spawnpoint.... 99% of the time it's a totally one-sided stomp, where one team was unlucky enough to get more of those noobs. Even high level, experienced players, seem way more likely to just leave the match after one death if they see it's one of those games for their team.
Meantime in the low-mid tier, even the noobs usually have a decently full lineup, can and will spawn multiple vehicles. It seems like their will is also stronger, and they will keep spawning, fighting and keeping the battle exciting and alive, even if they are losing.
That results in some incredibly intense games, which you will pretty much never experience in top tier.
Grinding a new nation, stat padding, lower repair cost, or maybe because it's fun and a lot less stressful than top-tier. To add to this level is just an indicator of how much time a person has spent playing the game and not necessarily skill. Some lvl 100 players might also be just starting what ever game mode they're currently playing.
"Lower repair cost" is no longer an excuse, top tier costs like 3-4k SL per death, and you have like quadruple SL modifiers compared to 1BR tanks
@@petrkdn8224 bro Dixie is not wrong why you yapping, you acting like you haven’t play 8.0
@@Bazzwardow I'm f2p and have top tier UK lol
@@petrkdn8224no wonder you repair cost is so low your british.
(im messing with you aint no harm here)
@endeyfire I grinded through UK when Conqueror wasn't folded yet and was 20k SL repair cost. Still had no issues then. (I get that you are joking, but im serious lol)
Remember about warthunder events that allow you to play rank 1 vehicles and still gain points to event
Isn't it a 0.6 modifier
I guess the 1.2 from rb cancels it out somewhat
I just play between 1-6.7 for fun
Around 3.7 when trying to decompress since I don't have to try hard and can just enjoy myself
@@commisaryarreck3974 still the amount of kill's that level 100 should do on rank 1 is huge
@@piotrpany868
I didn't even notice. Jesus christ
I "seal club" (dropping nukes every third match from 5.7 to 8.0) simply because top tier has more lvl 20s than lower tiers which leads to matches where I am last alive with more kills than the sum of the rest of my team
the number of level 4 pack vehicle users i see............
I "seal club" because i like to vroom vroom in the BT-5. I have a negative K/D in the BT-5 (by like 2 kills)
Yeah i do the same thing and i get a nuke every match
Its more fun when players respawn more, in top tier people spawn less than 2 vehicles and leave😂
Nice analysis. One problem with figuring out why level 100s play low BR is that there can be multiple reasons for one person to play low BRs. Even once a vehicle is spaded there are camos to unlock, and some of the low BR vehicles are just fun to play. I like to take out landships like the T-35, Nb.Fz and Independent, you often get focused and don't always do well but they are just fun. Also trying to get kills with stuff like the Po-2 or TB-3M, I managed to kill a Petard with the 50kg bombs on the Po-2 and it was hilarious. I also pay attention to who is doing well in low BR matches, and it's often not the handful of level 100 players topping the kill counts. I've found a surprising number of low-experience players who are a lot better than I was at that point, and do exceptionally well. True seal clubbers use the most meta vehicles and power positions on maps, I run into them sometimes when I'm goofing around in a squad with my son.
its really hard to determine a specific reason. unfortunately the best i can do is a guess, like this
@@Wubb333 I think you did a pretty good job in covering the likely reasons, and just seeing the actual percentage of level 100s was interesting, I expected it to be a little higher tbh.
@@vaughanharrop3902 it will definitely be a lot more during events
That's what I noticed as well when I was new, they will abuse those power positions that new players have no idea it existed and ruin their whole experience, I really like tanks and planes so I stayed but I'm pretty sure a ton of new players who tried the game have already quit after a few matches after getting killed without a chance to do anything
I mean, as a level 100 with a couple thousand hours in the game, ive recently been spending time at low tier researching, playing and spading vehicles i skipped. I also end up in lower tiers to learn or practice specific vehicles for SQB's. Having a good prop dogfight is just so much more fun than getting smacked by a missile.
its honestly a lot more enjoyable of an experience
i love props and early jets,theyre all so unique compared to another missile bus
@@rendycoya Im lvl 100 with over 4000h total counting beta times allso and i dont even have any of the new jets. Mitsubishi T2 might be the higest plane i have and i have flown that like 10 times. Gameplay of anything newer than sabre and MIG 15 is just pure cancer. Even early jets are boring and i dont enjoy playing them. So i play pretty much props only for these reasons. Anyone can call me sealclubber if they want xD i dont care.
@@jermu9607 me too,i dont have that much playtime,but i know exactly how you feel,for me the highest ill go is like Mig 19 or Scimitar
Well i guess i classify as a spader, about every nations has a ~50% spade ratio
do u have a goal for spading?
I'd fall into that category as well, given that I've spaded 82% of the 1400 vehicles I've unlocked. Gives more gameplay variety, provides nice short-term objectives to avoid burnout, and the 20% RP bonus is nice for unlocking things.
@@Wubb333 its fun spading stuff, and ussualy i got nothing better to do and i was bored out of my mind. I even spaded the frech pyramid, and that was utter pain
I think there are a lot more unique vehicles at low tier too, making it significantly less stale than the copy-paste dart and missile slingers at top tier.
its a big reason for "low tier enjoyer"
As a lvl 100 who plays exclusively Ground RB, it's interesting to see the stats from other modes. Personally, I don't usually play below 3.7 since any lower just feels like major seal-clubbing. WW2/early cold war is just a fun part of the game, before CAS gets obnoxious at higher BRs.
similar also its less fun to have terrible turret taverse. 3.7 opens up to more higher level players, fun tanks for me, and the tanks i think of when i think ww2. i also have spread my 1000 hours across every tree but Isreal and china. and have almost all to at least 6.7, i main France though i have yet to finish the tree.
i also play RB for ground air and Naval so i am probably quite the outlier.
I spade every vehicle I play but I don't play every vehicle I own. And I mostly play at 4.0 and below because I wanna have fun, not a second job.
It's also important to note that depending on when you play, you will get different data. When playing at 2am my time, there were a ton of veteran players who were just wiping me when I was just starting out, however at more reasonable times, there were a lot more new players at my skill level.
this data was taken across a month by multiple people at varying times of day, across the NA and EU servers
@@Wubb333 Very nice.
the real fun is at extremely unreasonable times, i have been in matches at like 4 am where the whole lobby was just there to goof around. seeing tanks fly of of cliffs with mach 3 trying to shoot someone beneath them is funny as can be.
Around 12am, i stop playing anything higher than 10.0 because of the bot population that seems to turn up like clockwork in the NA servers
@@EsOoBaCtvp same. after midnight, the NA server starts speaking in numbers and mandarin lol
Im a Level 100, and if you see me at 1.0 im taking spading 1 step further and ace crewing the Vehicle.
yeah love me my ace crews
You blighter, im going to have to start doing that at some point now
Why? Cuz I want to fucking play the game thats why 😭
fellow low tier enjoyer 🤝
bcs u cant compete with people at top tier and they kick your ass :)
@@AlenB29 Touch some grass instead.
@@AlenB29 Dawg the only top tier I have are old event vehicles. I play low tier because I have Arma and DCS for modern junk.
@@AlenB29top tier isn't fun and you can't tell me it is. It's literally just low tier but with modern vehicles. Everyone can one shot everyone. Everyone can somehow survive magically. Only difference it takes forever to unlock one br vs the other
Aside of the abuse a lvl 100 can make in low BRs, 1.0-2.3 is basically the same playstyle than top br without all the bullshit the game has higher on
Lvl 100 here: Because Gaijins "Map Design" is a joke. U cant play High Tier in a Challenger, Abrams or even Leopard 1, T-62, etc without playing THE SAME SHIT MAPs u do in Low Tier... Playing anything else beside RUssian MBTs is a pain in the *** in 99% of the Maps u get. Playing a Challenger 2 for example on Advance to the Rhine or Abandoned Factory is a joke. U get Spawn camped/sniped within Minutes; The Frustration factor is very high. At the end its the thing you considering to delete this game because Gaijin doesnt care about your Feedback or how much fun it is: They "Thank" you that u spend the years and money - nothing more matters beside that for them.
Gaijin has mad a handfull of good High Tier Maps that have a 3km Shooting distance - but u dont get these maps. U play from 100 Matches only around 2 on such Maps. And every feedback for bigger maps get wiped away with their Statement "Our Playerbase doesnt want big maps" (which is a lie and big maps are F* badly needed for at least MBT-Tier Tanks).
The Game CAN MAKE FUN !!!!BUT!!!! it all comes down to Mapsize. So many ideas where made for better Maps, even new Gamemodes: But Gaijin refuses to make anything about it because they dont want A) a thinking Player and B) Teamplay because, Teamplay is hard for Players (so Gaijin thinks really that we are dumb and cant work togethe). Making a "Sector Controlled" Map where u have 15x15km for Tanks that fight to hold whole Sectores around Points, Buildings, etc would so awesome (a bit like the Frontline mode from Battlefield 1 or even from EAs Battlefront where the maps open up Step by Step: Attackers vs Defenders like). But "Teamplay is hard for our Playerbase and were are dumb" - and Gaijin even said that in the past in a Stream..
I haven't watched the video yet but I know the answer is low tier = fun tier, high tier = competitive.
Low tier has all of unique quirky vehicles that have a large amount of varying play styles, top tier is boring where everything mostly performs the same where the differences are far more minute than low tier.
Not really low tier is a basic mode that requires a tank with over 35 millimeters of penetration no angling, no anti air ,little positioning and a basic knowledge of the game
some level 100s have 53 days of accumulated playtime in air battles, but only 10 minutes in ground battles
People dont understand that each br plays differently and sometimes you just want to play a different br
Why do i do it? Because playing low tier tanks can often be more fun than other tanks
aka skill issue
“It’s not a game guys, you should only play at where you’re at!!! Uuughhghghghh” has anyone ever considered that maybe this GAME is so fucked that on occasion the only fun way to play is to go down to reserve because that’s the only place that’s not massively unbalanced
Another thing to check is if they were playing with a new player in their squad to see if theyre just playing with friends that are new to the game.
( 3:34 ) here, i explain this exact thing in bit more in detail
The question is how can you know if they are an actual squad or one made by the game
@@ThaGr1m the squad icon changes, depending on if it's an intentionally made squad or a random squad
my buddy has been level 100 for like 5 years, he’s been playing WT forever - he literally hates the gameplay over like… 6.7, he won’t touch it, we’ve had to coax him up to the korean/vietnam era gently over months and months… he just likes the tanks at mid-BRs… that’s his only reason. :P
I'm just like your friend, I'm one of those players that think that going into missiles for air, and going past korea on ground was a mistake.
I just plain think that gun dogfights are better, and tier 1 dogfights on slow, low damage guns, and dodging trees and houses fights are the most exciting ones.
Plus i have over many years, amassed a colection of low tier goofy event vehicles that are some of my most fun ones
Because I want to play those vehicles. They’re vehicles that I am interested in.
It’s not that I WANT to play at 1.0, it’s because I’ve started another nation
We can’t forget that level obviously stops at 100 so it could be someone that hit it yesterday or 8 years ago
It's even worse to see lvl 100 on tier 3-5 planes completely obliterating you with ease.
well darn i look like a seal clubber but i like to relax and have break from the suffers, known as top tier Italy.
this shit sucks. i'd rather use a M14 against KV-1Bs than using Arietes vs Leopard 2A7Vs.
@@Paronak gaijin using winrate for balancing was the worst choice ever. Just makes skilled players suffer.
@@Supjd_YT im rank 50000 in Ground RB and i only play italy. for whatever it's worth. i guess playing italy makes you a better player
@@Paronak italy will always be number one in my books heh
usually why i play BR 1.0 as a level 100 is to help new players get into the game explaining the games mechincs while playing with them as well. Also reached level 100 before having played all nations so had to play BR 1.0 to start a new nation have recently been playing Japan at 1.0 as the last nation to start on.
You can find a seal clubber if he's playing low tier Russia when he has finished the Russian tech tree
The only people who I would refer to as ''seal clubbers'' are people who are lvl 100 and have like 5k matches in reserve Tanks. Who the hell plays 5k matches in a reserve tank?
Okay so for this one i can actually comment (currently I'm lvl 100 (surprise surprise) with 2300 hours), and I only play low tier bc a lots of my friends have started the game, and I have to play with them on 1.0. BTW I hate playing low tier I don't think it is as fun (from 1.0-2.7) as 3.0-5.7.
this is exactly why i included squad archetypes, instead of just level 100
Helping your algorithm bro :)
i appreciate it!
I am level 100 and play low tier just to relax and get some distance from the top tier
There is one major thing preventing high leveled players in 1.0 air rb, that is the fact that it takes a really long time to get to the battle.
The maps are still pretty much the same between 1.0 air rb and 3.0 and so many of the seal clubbers will be in the rank 2-3 area since the speed of aircraft cuts the time to get to battle nearly in half.
If low levels get to buy high tier premiums and ruin those matches, then we get to have some casual fun at low tier.
Not a level 100 but I am a veteran of WT, and I definitly feel bad when playing at those low tiers. Especially during events where I used to play that one 20mm Puma and do 10+ kills game on a regular basis. But I don't feel like high level players playing in low br matches is mutch of an issue (unless the dude is playing a KV-1E). After all, the whole game isn't strictly about grinding to top tier and you should definitly be able to play any vehicle you want no matter if they're 1.0, 5.7 or 11.0...Maybe however having lvl 100s at 1.0 is a little too much, and they should probably make the game a little easier for newer players. But from the moment you're over level 5, you should be able to meet any level of players.
Bruh the kv-1e really isnt op. The only reason it’s good is because ppl are bad at the game and don’t know weakspots. It’s not the best 4.0 vehicle, I’d argue that would be the turan III, or the ram II.
@@pliatOnly German guns, and TDs can handle kv1e's, most tanks at the br litterally don't have enough penetration to go through anywhere but the sides, and even then the fuel tanks catch most of the spalling from solid shot.
@@pliatliterally every single KV1E is covered in bushes.
There are no "weakspots".
You are a closeted KV1E user
@@thegamingcrusader9926 yeah, only German guns can deal with it if you just shoot randomly like a trog. I regularly 1-shot Kv-1e in the Kv-1b, just shoot the driver port. The Shermans can easily destroy it too, especially with the vertical stab. I honestly cannot think of a single tank at 4.0 that I’d have any trouble killing a Kv-1e with. If you have 80-90mm pen you’re good.
If you want an example of a stupidly broken op prem then look no further than the Ram II. That thing is so stupid, and I’d 1v1 tank duel a Kv-1e and win every time with that thing.
Did you forget that getting to 4.0 doesn't require you to be pro?
If you are new the KV1 and all it's variations are hell, especially the German one
-Start a new Nation
-Play with friends who are new at the game
I believe the problem is more with lvl 1 players in top tier that quit after 1 death.
I’m lvl 100 and I play low tier because my friends haven’t gotten high tier vehicles and have like
A life
So they aren’t going to play higher brs
I fly whatever I want and don't feel bad about it. The vast majority of players in this game are going to be complaining about *something*, may as well be me.
Why? Because I, as a 100lvl player, has realised that the low tiers are what made me like this game in the first place
I have had the best, goofiest and craziest moments in low tier. And i simply like it because it is’t as sweaty and just more chill in general
Imagine thinking that if you are lvl 100 (which literally means nothing) means that you have to play top tier only 😆
Agreed. And if they did that, then I would expect them to NOT allow anything under a level 80 play top tier even in a premium. Sooooooo tired of brain dead noobs at top tier.
For some of us "senior citizens" it is to just enjoy the game. When you realize that eyesight hand-eye coordination is not up the same standards as the young pups, you play with what you enjoy. It is still fun at age 72, but I prefer playing longer in a game than getting wiped in 15 to 20 secs. Casual player would be a better title. Have fun in the game, IT IS NOT A JOB!!!
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silly piece of bread
@@Wubb333 :33333
The biggest issue with basing this on the amount of vehicles a player has is the players could be switching game mode someone could be a air main wanting to try ground and vise versa and will have over 100 vehicles especially by lvl 100
In air RB, top tier can become a congested SPAMRAAM fever dream. Playing reserve can help you relax. You only need to focus on the enemy in front of you most of the time.
I play low tier cuz its fun, i hate top tier rn cuz of getting killed 3 min in the match (air) and getting sniped by a heli in ground
I always thought people play low tier to spade vehicles, not for the ratio but for the rp from modification tiers
generally the RP gain from low BR spading is just a couple hundred per modification tier
I'm a level 100 and when I get bored with top tier I drop to lower tiers. But I just play to have fun by just blowing shit up.
Lvl 100 here
We will stop playing low tier when newbies stop playing top tier.
Agreed
I’m level 100 and most of my matches are 4.7 to 6.7 because I find those are the most fun.
I would consider myself a "serial spader". Sometimes I just want to unwind from grind and try to have some fun - low tier is just so much more chaotic and fun.
People complain a lot though. But why I should not be allowed to have fun in the game? It is a game, not a job.
Air AB seal-clubber here, although I stick to the 2.7-4.0 range. The fights are better and very often there's a strong feeling of being the team's "ace". Like you're responsible for leading your team to victory where your actions actually matter.
I wish research when studying or course papers was about collecting data like this and not the boring assignments.
I am a spader, and almost every time a new update comes out I go back and re-spade vehicles that got new upgrades.
Good video man, very interesting to see how the results panned out.
Hate the game, not the player
The problem lays solely on Gaijin
No skill based
No LEVEL based matchmaking.
Nothing.
Sick of people complaining I'd kill them in 4.7 ... Because apparently I shouldn't be playing 4.7 as a lvl100 player with 4k hours...
Not my fault 😂
This same exact analysis of other games and expand audience. This is an awesome niche in my opinion. I don't even play war thunder but the methodology you used applies to most videogames, so I found it quite interesting.
I'm level 100. Low tier has a lot of fun vehicles and this is fastest way to grind event.
Hope to see more videos like this :)
Im so numbed by all the WT speculation videos that have questionable reasoning that seeing graps and charts feels like a breath of fresh air. Allways good to see something based on real measurable and comparable data.
I know it takes a while to make something that is not generic, so you have my respect for all the effort 👍
i appreciate this well-written comment. it sums up the exact reason i do what i do :)
as a level 9 i really dont like it how level 100 players are allowed to complain about us being in top tier but we can't complain about them being in low tiers
Bro payed way to much attention in math class
I play at 1.0 because I reached level 100 about halfway through one tech tree so every time I start a new one the seal clubbing commences again
I am a 100 with around 3000 hours. I never play 1.0 anymore. The only time I spend lower than mid tier is grinding the nations I have at low tier or supporting friends who are at low tier. I recently played through Japan 2.0 to 5.0 helping one of my newer friends grinding France (his first tech tree) and I seldom felt like I was clubbing. The biggest advantage I found was my CAS. I'm a very average air RB player. But I seemed to have a massive advantage over the lower ranked ground RB CAS players.
Very interesting video. Thanks.
I like playing tanks.... I think I have hit people with my CAS less than 10 times this year cause I'm so bad at it 😅
Low tier = calming
High tier-Top tier = stupid team, bad teammate, gives depression, endless grind
Dude your naming scheme is literally tank name brainrot and I love it.
*shows a 2.0 tank on the thumbnail*
it was originally going to be bt-5, but the color contrast wasnt what i was looking for :(
Drifting my tank through the streets of paris jumpscaring people and being jumpscared is funny as fuck.
I think another aspect to this could also be about a LvL100 playing a rare vehicle that just happens to be low tier.
Everyone plays low tier because level 10 premium users are 85% of top tier and they ruin everything.
Id say I'm a low tier enjoyer but you also have to remember that during points events you can play tier 2 and 1 premium tanks to get score in the event which is what I do most the time with 1.3 to 2.0 Germany and and 2.7 to 3.0 Britian, there is also the pages of history events
yes, this data was gathered outside of an event
Fantastic job both gathering and analyzing the data!
My personal reason for playing low BRs as a level 100 is liking WW2 era vehicles. I don't have a single top tier vehicle after 3000 hours played nor am I interested in acquiring one.
low tier is simply more fun, top tier is extremely stressful and most of the time is literally rage inducing
why do lvl 1s play 10.0 next
Im also a level 100 player and play low tier because low tier is fun tier.
Another important factor could be the addition of new sub-trees, giving experienced players a reason to drop down to lower tier and try out the new vehicles.
whilst im not level 100 but just level 72, the reason for me to play low tier is that the matches are way less sweaty so i can play when high af and still get some kills
One flaw assumption I found in your classification method is that, despite 10 nations existed in WT, only 5 of which is considered "Major", and of those, many peoples play one or two of these nations disproportionally because many peoples join WT attracted to one of the nations. It's simply unrealistic to expect non-seal clubber to have, as you stated in the player archetypes, "Own similar number of vehicles in every other nations". As such, your result is expected to be heavily biased toward seal clubber.
As for why people stick to low tier? For me, it's simply that, from video game perspective, WW2 era vehicles are better designed for video game purpose than later vehicles. [Noted : I'm speaking as someone who mainly play air battles, but most of these also applies to ground combat as well.]
When engineers develope vehicles, three things influence the design. What the nation's armed force wanted, the technological limitation the nation's faced, and the design phillosophy of the nations and the engineers themselves, which can vary widely back then since we didn't have computer powerful enough to optimized everything back then, so engineering use their own experience to fill the gap.
The result is two fold.
One : multiple vehicles classes existed because they can't make one class of vehicle do everything they needed. You get things like fighter aircraft, attack aircraft, front line bomber, tactical bomber, strategic bomber, dive bomber, torpedo bomber, and so on. Similarly, ground vehicles are separated into tankette, light tank, medium tank with infantry support gun, medium tank with tank-killing gun, heavy tank with infantry support gun, heavy tank with tank-killing gun, tank destroyer, self-propelled gun, assault gun, milk trucks, and so on.
Two : due to different consideration from the nation's own requirement and limitation, vehicles of the same class but of different nations (hell, even sometimes of the same nation but from different designer) can vary a lot, to the point that sometimes you can't even compare them together because they're so different from each other. This is where you get things like turn fighter and energy fighter.
As a result from these two points, despite having the parity between each nations, they are so many variation in strength and weakness that share among the same lineage, but unique enough to each vehicles, that allow for interesting gameplays as players has to be mindfull of what they can and cannot do to try to cover their disadvantages and exploit their advantages while preventing the enemy from doing the same. Flying F4U-1D (my favorite in US tree, for the record) against an A6M2 would be different from fighting against Bf-109F.
Now, comes the early-to-mid cold war stuffs. Br 7.0 - 10.0 start to enter an area where every nation's technology and experience progress enough that see many type of vehicles merged into one class. They still have the unique flavor of each nations, but the variation diminished a lot. Aircrafts are now simply front line fighters, high speed interceptors, ground attacker/bomber, and dedicated bombers. Ground vehicles see similar merging of different classes together. Fortunately, they are still just enough variation to keep thing a bit interesting. You get an interesting dynamic where fighters are divided into furball fighter and long range missile bus. That's about it, but it's enough. The dynamic between jets like F-4 Phantom II and MiG-23M against the furball fighter like MiG-21 and F-5 still make things fun.
Then you get into 1970s era, where technology reach the point where anything do everything. Jets like F-14A and MiG-23MLD being both the furball fighter and long range missile bus and fought pretty much the same way. Tanks are all MBT or MBT killers and fight the same way. Worst, the additions of several technology made a lot of stuff that are dependent on player's skill now trivialized. Ground attack? You got CCIP to pretty much aim for you. Furball fighting? Radar now have the mode that lock target for you. Hell, you got CCRP if you don't even want to bother with manually dropping your own bomb.
It get even worse with 4th generation jets and other modern stuffs. Jets are now merely vehicles for missile, where fights are pretty much determined by missiles and radar more than the jet itself, where before you have maneuver into optimal postion to babysit the missile to give it the best chance to kill (and still miss 80% of the time).
And don't get me start on FOX-3 fight, which lots of people with experience in a more advance fight sims already warned it would be stupidly boring.
One of the most common "counter-argument" (quotation marks because it's not even a counter) is that this is how the real world military development progress. Well, it is, and credit where credit due, Gaijin did a good job portray it in game. It's that these tech made for a less interesting and, more importantly, less fun gameplay, especially since we're still using the same game mode back when the game started to these day despite all the advance stuffs we got. These modes are fun for WW2 fight, but it show its limit with Korean war vehicles, and it went downhill from there.
I even guess this is why Gaijin add vehicles from completely different branch of the army and wachy experimental programs into the game, to make ground battle a little more diverse than MBT vs MBT, only that it still fail to achieve the charm of variation of lower tier match.
That's the main reasons a lot of old players stay with lower tier vehicles. It is, as they said, "Low tier, fun tier".
The fault, obviously, lie exclusively with Gaijin (what a surprise), but not because they made the vehicle this way. As I said earlier, Gaijin did a good job portraying how vehicle developed IRL in game, even when simplified a lot. The problem came from still sticking with the team deathmatch mode they used since day 1 of this 12 years old game. It doesn't work as well with modern vehicles as it did with lower BR, forcing a lot of veteran players to play at lower BR to still enjoy the game...
...another problem is that learning curve in WT is...weird. A lot of stuff are simple enough IF there's a guide for it, except they are very little in-game guide on how to play. New players are expected to understand things like the concept of energy management on their own, which isn't as obvious as it may seem.
So you can see exactly what led to the seal clubbing problem. Veteran players are forced to low tier by how unfun high tier is, in which they meet new players who have no obvious guide on how to play.
as a level 100 with almost 5000 hours... I just don't like top tier, not my vibe for tanks. But planes, it's my favourite. So I just stick to low tier tanks, even though I've grinded my way to the Leopard 2A7, I just really enjoy the slower and fun low tier gameplay
Because it's fun and the devs are on a warpath towards squeezing joy and money out of players at high tiers. Low tiers don't make money so the snail ignores it. Been playing for a decade now, I just want to play a fun game when I come home at the end of the day, not need to compete with thermal sights, APFSDS rounds, guided missiles, etc.
I fit between 1 and 2, with USA nearly maxxed on ground, most of the way up on air, and a little work on naval. No other countries touched besides a little Russia when I first started on ground beta, all exclusive arcade play. I just enjoy the lower tiers, but then the issue is I'm exponentially better than the average newbie and the game simply... gives me no choice but to club seals.
I make sure I don't do things like close in on spawns unless the game result is clear, or abuse mechanics, but just in a one on one I almost certainly come out of every fight with no bad news besides a few less rounds in my Stuart.
Top tier is broken. Having the T80 BVM sideskirts eat my apfsds or getting destroyed by ka50s from 10 km away is irritating. Seal clubbing makes me feel better about myself
Stand proud, you can cook.
you forgot one crucial Archetype. the lvl 100 player who is playing with their friend(s) who are new to the game. that's me baby. was playing 2.3 just a few days ago because my buddy wanted to try the German tech tree. i spoke too soon you got that covered with sub types lol
He mentioned it in the video dipshit
As a LV 100, i go back to low tier to vent some frustration of playing high tier.
You could also be a player that mostly plays air rb and just haven't played tanks in a while, so you have to get back into remembering how to play.
DOOM 2016's multiplayer had a "beginner only" mode where you would get matched against other beginners until you were lvl 20 or something, after which the beginner mode would be locked for your account. I have yet to see another game do the same.
war thunder has this but its for the first like few games lol, it should be a lot more i agree
@@Wubb333 Isn't it only against bots and not real players for the first few games?
yes, it should be a lot more
1.0 is simply more carefree, allowing for fun and such. You can just sit back and play for fun when you're too stressed to play top tier or something. I play 1.0 just to relieve stress and anger after getting clapped at higher tiers.
It is possible that some of the lvl 100 players that were "helping" "low level players" are actually helping other lvl 100 players that are on alternate account. You can use alternate accounts to occupy more spots in the squadron
ill be honest as me and a # of my friends are level 100 we will occasional drop to 2.0 or lower for 2 reasons
1. some of the most iconic early war tanks are there, Stuart and bt series tanks
2. troll, as we mainly play realistic we will jump in arcade to relax and see who can speed run who gets called a hacker first for the shits and giggles and to my surprise most of the people who do call us hackers are often level 70+ and even come across a few accounts that are level 100 but never even left the T1 bracket in any vehicle group
As a level 100 since 2017, I almost exclusively play 6.0 and below. WW2 is what I have always played this game for, and it's what the game modes are designed around. The gameplay loop and just falls apart at high tiers. Kills feel unrewarding and undeserved, deaths feel random and sometimes unavoidable.
I wouldnt call this seal clubbing, this is basically smurfing but without hiding your level