Naim Classic Series Upgrade Path Full Presentation Focal Scala Utopia EVO @ Nintronics Dec 2019
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2019
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In this video is Part 2 of a 2 part series shooting an event day at Nintronics with Focal and Naim Audio. Using the £27,000 Focal Scala Utopia EVO Speakers Naim Brand Ambassador Jason Gould was giving presentations on the sound quality benefits of using dedicated Naim Components for dedicated jobs within a HiFi System.
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The music in this video is
Seven Years Norah Jones geni.us/mCnd5
John Taylor's Month Away King Creosote & Jon Hopkins geni.us/55LA9WL
Suspicious Minds Elvis Presley geni.us/49XG0
Nadia Nitin Sawhney geni.us/IBQBHye
Hugh Masekela Stimela ttps://geni.us/2S8JPv
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7:51 Supernait 3 + NDX2
13:39 Supernait 3 + HiCap + NDX2
17:16 Supernait 3 + HiCap + NDX2
22:15 Supernait 3 + HiCap + NDX2 + XPS
31:24 Supernait 3 + HiCap + NAP250 + NDX2 + XPS
35:12 NAC282 + SuperCap + NAP250 + NDX2 + XPS
41:03 NAC282 + SuperCap + NAP250 + NDX2 + XPS
46:18 NAC252 + SuperCap + NAP300 + NDX2 + XPS
Hopefully this works if you want to quickly skip between music on each setup. Let me know if I’ve made any errors in the list of kit at each point 😃
Hi, I just listened through some of this Demo. He adds the NAP300 at 41.03, then only the 252 at 46:18. Best, Audun
34min when they connect the 282...god da*n! You can hear a very big differene trough youtube. Cant imagine how it sounded there!
Great demo and video!
Even through my Beyerdamic earphones from my mobile phone, I enjoyed listening to this.
Terry I love the look of those components!
Brilliant demonstration Thanks Jason Gould!
WOW great presentation, and, well shot video thank you both.
Great UK manufacturer; Naim have been making class leading electronics for decades. Great content Terry.
I just bought the exact scala speakers used in this video from Nintronics- ex demo 3 years old. They are delivering them next week 😂
What gear do you use with them?
This looks great, I'll get my headphones later and have a good listen.
Likewise
I started off with naim 112 naim 150 flatcap2 power supply cd5 had that for years .
Have upgraded to 282 pre Dr 250 power saving the money for supercap now
I am fully aware the flatcap2 is Letting the rest down but the difference when I added the 282 was like opening the curtains to let the light in
Love the sound of naim equipment
Probably not the speakers I would like to listen to for hours but sure enough a good choice for revealing the differences in the front end.
The racks and equipment look amazing! Listening on my phone will never do it justice so no judgment here.
Another great video. Takes me back to when I bought the original Nait amplifier.
Thank you Jason excellent explaination
bellissimo suono...grazie!!!!
I have to say that I would love to hear demos where the music played were a bit more challenging than the usual singer song writer variety I often hear. It seems to me that busier tracks really will display the sort of control amplifiers are capable of providing. Where balance would become evident. This was better than most, and even tho this is diminished via my phone, Naim is the real deal. Great company.
Beautiful sound...
Nice Solar Panels 😀
The Music is excellent Terry
Listen to some Naim cds they have analogue recordings that will blow your mind 👍
Great Sound
Fantastic the best equipment in the world
i've got a supernait 3 and am still surprised how big of a difference the HiCap DR makes. will be getting one soon.
Got a HiCap DR a month ago. Obvious improvement in every regime. 👍
@@DBravo29er здравствуйте ! Есть ли у Supernait 3 шум трансформатора?
Why not start off with a preamp with an external power supply? No wastage.
Polk speakers do a amazing job of reproducing the sound
In that Indian music, so much was happening and Naim brought it out left and right.
yeah the system was really rocking by then and proves having dedicated components for everything really is better than not
@@PursuitPerfectSystem tbf naim and drum bass = savaging a room. even an old nait3 and some 602s will sound mint due to it being naim audio!
well explained Jason
Great choice of music all round and perfect Hifi demo material. In the Utube video the 2.28 drum pulse is annoyingly horrible so much so I almost stopped the whole video. Never heard of this act before. They sound like what Coldplay could have been. 😂 Here it isnt annoying.
what was the first system?
Interesting that no vinyl is being used, my self I have a Linn LP12 just gathering dust I much prefer CD,S.
I have built my own hi-cap it does greatly improve the sound to another level. and added a mains filter that also was a improvement there is so much crud come down the mains from computors and other electronic gizmos these days.
The cost of Naim stuff is very expensive and I had to resort to buying of ebay but managed to pick up a NAP 250 DR half the shop asking price with 12 months warranty in very nice example in great condition and works great. I have a NAC 72 preamp which I have recapped a great piece of kit.
Superb
Respect.
have only the entry level naim nait 5si it,s great but i get back noise depending on what day i changed power cables to isotek a little better probally a problem of my bulding it haves solar panels maybe i shoud get a grounding box or move new place.im defently geting a unity atom headphone edition to pair my focal headphones hope next xmas.
Hi, thanks for the video,
i am wondering if i shd go for XS3 or 200+202 combination to drive PMC 25.22 , XS3 launched in last year and 200+202 launched quite a long time, i know comparing int. amp and pre+power amp isnt fair, but i would like to get some opinions from the others before i make the decision, thanks!!
personally you wont beat the seperates, it will. add a lot of musicality to your music and it with the PMC's is a good match the XS£ has good grunt and decent all round. But the separation and the refinement from separates wont be beat
Once you get addicted to the dose of Naim u never turn back, lovely attacking involving sound 💗❣️💞💝💖👄🌹♥️💓🥀🌼💟💯💋💔👅✌️
The NAP-300 is a really good amp with a PSU
Polk speakers sound great
Do nintronics still cover naim now ?
Music is great
Where is the 552??
Visited my local Naim dealer to audition the Uniti Atom when it first released. Wasn’t too impressed, my opinion. As I left I passed through a large sound-room and I went to comment to the salesman what an amazing sound, but my throat filled with a very large lump. Eva Cassidy was playing on a full rack of high end Naim gear. I sat and listened, this is the sound I’ve been searching for. I asked how much money to get that sound, when told that lump came back as I knew I would never be able to own it. The Power Of Music is an emotional journey.
It’s possible we started with a two box setup and have a full classic series system now almost 20 years later. I would say to start a NAC 152xs and Nap 150 and a little chord dac and a Pair of speakers of your liking is a good place to start. Just do all that you can in your setup. Set speakers up right and give the equipment the best stands Naim fraim lite if you can stretch your budget. Don’t think of the £50k system think smaller and with naim you can build your way up
The Elvis track is much bigger here than the Utube version and dynamic with bass although the bottom end is very woolly. Sounds better in the second system to me.
Naim SN3 with hicapDR are a wonderful match with my Auralic Aries + Sbooster BOTW mkII linear power supply and Proac’s D20R boxes. Outstanding sound in my room! Previously owned Ayre and Rotel gear…Naim is better!
What are your observations about the sound differences between the Scala Evo and Sopra 2?
Bass. Just amazing vocal range extension and the bass goes deep. It has tightness and weight. The sopra is also very good it has a slightly more open top end but isn’t as precise. I love both. For me I’d take a Sopra 2. But you’d have to listen in your system
Scala Evo is in a different universe to Sopra 2
Jason why didn’t you say that was mad at the end! Amazing Omg on ipad ear phones！
Easily to tell the different. Can i have some please 😉
Is the supernait 3 powerful enough to drive the focal Scala Utopia Evo?
In terms of Watt technically yes. But in real life a NAP 300 close to it with 90w a channel is miles ahead and Scala Utopias are to be paired with 500 series from naim so
NDS or ND555
252 or 552
NAP300 or NAP500
They would shine with ND555/552/500
Probably not, big amp for easier to drive stuff but definitely not enough to make a scala get crazy.
Hugh Masakela was a grand finale to this demo. The Naim stuff was good, Focal Scala Utopia is simply a great speaker.
If I could afford them I would rather use McIntosh pre-amp and Amp. Great work as always Terry.
Oh no not another Mcintosh has it covered fanboy, it gets boring incidentally what pre and power are you talking about solid state or all tube?
Actually the Focal’s are the weak link IMO. Kudos Titan 808 much better!
Can anyone tell me what that Indian music is around the 43 minute mark? It’s amazing
It’s in the video description.
@@gavinburt3750 couldnt find a description!
It’s a cool experiment, but
It’s limited by UA-cam and specially our own equipment. You have to be there to get it really.
I have studio grade recording equipment it's definitely not that and UA-cam can be pretty good the rest is what the system sounded like on the day.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
and the quality of the compression and decompression of UA-cam, the quality of everything between your mic and the end-user's ears ?
Quality of end user's computer internals ?
Far too many losses.
Even on B&O £400 Cans u can hear the HiCap.
At a certain level it sounds really nice but then on the higher level stuff it sounds a bit harsh, maybe it was different if I was there
Great
Honestly he’s rising the volume like crazy from beginning to the end. Just compare the SPL from 7:51 to 46:18… hard to compare anything
The music was changing and he couldn't get to the back of the room to hear how loud the system was as there was a crowd of people there so he was relying on me advising him on the volume which is hard when your also shooting the video
@@PursuitPerfectSystem it’s an amazing video otherwise and really interesting to hear the difference. What would have been great as a grand finale is to hear the exact same song (Norah Jones) at the beginning and at the very end at the same SPL. But again it’s easy to “criticize” on my armchair, thanks so much for your channel and this demo is really priceless and unique on UA-cam!!! Great content for sure
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Best is still 52+SC, snaxo 2 x 135s, SBL
What is 52+SC ? Nac 552 + Supercap DR
I was gutted when I realised what cd he’d put on to play… for heavens sake, Naim analogue recordings should’ve been the main stay 😢
Separate power supplies?? Seems silly when you will be adding cables to the system instead of using a Audioquest Niagara for example..
Try Space Sector on Naim Radio Russian Ambient Music
Wireless lapel microphone?
Cant record the sound of the system with that
@@PursuitPerfectSystem excellent content, Makes sense, see if you can get two channel audio option on your camera?
@@zerocapacitance1 i record externally to anpro recorder always in stereo for situations like this
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I see, so your primary purpose for recording is to capture the presentation not the presenter? If that’s the case, it would be nice to set up two wireless microphones on stands in front of the speakers to capture the sound into a recording one for the left one for the right.
@@zerocapacitance1 i dont believe that is the best way to record the sound because it is a fabrication. Noone listens that close to speakers so close miking creates a sound file that is a lie. You will hear something different to what you see. I believe in recording at the listening position because that is the true sound you hear part system part room the truth.
Much Better adding the NAP 200
Adding NAC 282 even Better
"TIDAL " for Korg S
The later amp is much better with nice PRaT, musical, good midrange, and serviceable transparency. Bass is also way better than the earlier amp. Still bass is too soft/loose in my opinion.
Naim is great. I used to own Naim. But after I got my Gryphon integrated amplifier, I have never looked back
gryphon so very expensive
diablo 300? better than a series of naim separates?
@@stephengodsmark4353 Diablo 120. I used to own Naim nac 282 pre with hicap, and nap 200 dr power amp.
Diablo 120 is better.
@@henriksrensen3220 thanks Henrik. Shall try out. Saves on nr of boxes too. Just add sources.
@@stephengodsmark4353 you are welcome. I use cec tl5 cd transport.
And dac module in Diablo 120
Sounds good. I did notice that the volume gradually increased throughout the demo. Louder will always sound better :) Personally I’d need a proper A/B of each upgrade before I’m sold.
The music changed so the volume changed with it :) Also the people at the back were telling Jason to adjust the volume as he couldn't hear obviously - that included me
@@PursuitPerfectSystem yeah I’m with you and not a complaint as such, more of an observation coming from an previous audio engineer. I thought the presentation was good and excellently recorded. I’d love to be able to hear the difference that was heard in the decay time that the naim chap was talking about, but alas UA-cam compression, iPhone 6 dac and potato headphones :D one of these days I’ll spoil myself
@@jrlx86 Dont buy B&O cans!
Turtles and power supplies all the way down
I have nac 252 + SC Dr + nap 300 dr. But sorry in comparison, Naim is high price but mid Fidelity, Benchmark ahb2 + hpa4 are mid price and Extreme High Fidelity - transparency, resolution, neutral, no color, with extremely low THD, extremely high SNR, really reference quality. The time I listen to these 2 systems is about 1: 10. Ready to sell Naim gears anytime. Check them out yourself.
I went that Benchmark route and didn't connect with it. The sound seemed anemic
XPS improves the Sound
diese box schafft es das trotz schlechter musik keine lange weile aufkommt .weltklasse die focal scala evo .
Come on Pursuit Perfect Jason moved to 282/250 not 200 then from there 252/300 not 282. I thought this transition was the most significant through my iPad and AirPods.
Sorry Rob where did I get that wrong?
@@PursuitPerfectSystem :-) when you identified the models being listened by a pop up number description. The two occasions mate!
@@robburgess1985 Sorry I made this a long time ago, I forgot I even did that - there is no way for me to change that now. If it was just text somewhere I could have changed it - my biggest problem is I dont speak Naim, need to attend night college to learn. Genuine mistake and sorry about that
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It’s ok mate! Do you like the Naim sound?
@@robburgess1985 I havent spent enough time with to really say, not sure is the honest answer
Hegel h600 sounds better than all these boxes combined😂
Jason has a very Rick Stein look about him.
haha :)
Sounds a bit fishy to me.
Boomy room.
Shame the music of John Taylor is clearly through ProTools studio processing (I know what I'm talking about. I'm a pro musician). I love my Naim amps. But John Taylor demo - you're listening to a computer... As a dedicated musician, thats questionable/fake music representation.
7:52 hicap 13:41
Great. Now let's hear it do Carcass or Cannibal Corpse on full bore instead of the usual rinkly-tinkly audiophile nonsense, and you'll have my attention.
Exactly my sentiments couldnt naim have got a better music variation. Up to 100k on a scotsman droning on
Absolutely. Slayer - Criminally Insane would be about right too.
Adding HiCap is better
Source is the most Important
Buy NAIM Audio
Love is in the air, Naim is plugged in...hate is in the room, No Naim gear is plugged in. To avoid all silly feelings, I just jumped some steps and directly got a 282/250/Hc. To avoid more silly feelings, I avoid any further demo.
Headache time
OH that ugly bass sound from the Focals,its horror to me.Sorry but this is not for me...
@Kris Moodley Well Monitor Audio is a better speaker than Focal,the bass of Focals are very nervous and jumpy.
Playing this through my Bartok -> HiCapDR -> SN2 -> Naim s-400’s sounds like horrible recordings played through my exact system.
The comments regarding the guitar playing ,@15.34,are the most inane and ignorant pretentious piffle I’ve heard on UA-cam in a long time!
Other than that,an interesting and informative chat.
Thank you.
Great hi fi shite choice of music to test a good system!
Hang on a minute!!! So are we saying here that if I use this product it's actually going to CHANGE the performance of the guitarist on the recording session..??? and that it makes the musician a 'more accomplished player'..... excellent! - so when did you manage to interpolate Quantum mechanics and time travel into your equipment - totally ridiculous piffle - to quote a certain Freddie Sausage Other than this - great presentation - where do I sign???
Focal with Naim not so good!
they are now business partners....for increased survival potential. I love Naim, Focal not so much.
the wire clutter is annoying. bass could be deeper
This video covers a subject I am very interested in but the speaker sounds looked he is in an echo chamber. It is too difficult to listen to his presentation. A company which is in the audio business should do better.
Hi Louis, not really sure who you are making the complaint at here - but I just tried the video having made it some time ago and considering what this is, the audio quality of the video is excellent, I cant really see your complaint?
Pursuit Perfect System it is due to the acoustics of the space, probably.
Speakers first please, as this is the only mechanical device that interacts with your room(acoustics) then work your way towards the source, laws of diminishing return and so forth.
I agree with Naim the problem with having the best speaker is that is will only show you how the system before it is not performing if it is not. Law of diminishing returns is also not real go and listen to some of the real high end systems and you will see it just keeps getting better and better
That is what is demonstrated in this video as well
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Ah, that is the problem. It is not about having the best speaker, but the right speaker for your room and ears to deliver your personal enjoyment, else you are chasing the dragon(mythical). I like the Naim gear(had a NAP500 system) and still like their voicing but not good for anything with the wrong speaker in my room.... I believe in the Japanese and American philosophy, start with what you like in your room then work backwards..... You were at the UK HIFI show, tell me, did the Wilson demo sound any good? Just for fun..... Keep up the good work.
@@stephencampbell5991 Yes the wilson sounded amazing but also different when it was on the Dagostino kit to the Audio Research kit. Run them off a £1k all in one and it would have been a different story naturally. Obviously speaker is important but it can only play the signal it gets. I think it's all extremely important its defo not only the speaker that is important
I was always told. 'If you put crap into any speaker your going to get crap out'
The track they play at 46 mins in is so bright its painful.Naim and Focal a match made in hell.
is that the elvis track if so that was the intention to play a track not that great
I think it was Nadia Sawhney her vocals at the start where to my ears just painfully bright.
If this is what £70 000 + of hifi sounds like it's pretty laughable.
Focal make lovely speakers in my opinion but the forward nature of Naim electronics isn't very symbiotic with them.
Just my opinion though.
Have subscribed to your channel though some good stuff there.
Ian Stewart. I could not agree more! The sound was awful! No thank you!!
Ian Stewart I don’t think you know anything about audio, streaming or what you would need to sample “what £70 000 + of hifi sounds like” at home. Also Nitin Sawhney is an incredibly well known name in British music; you again prove yourself to be lacking in very relevant areas...
Ian Stewart hi, I am the happy owner of focal kanta3 - I am looking for a new amp. Do you have any sugestions what brand I should look for, thanks!?
Class AB amps ..... What a joke
For a more scientific test it would have been better to first keep the volume at the exact same level then play THE SAME PIECE OF MUSIC ffs at each step...as a demo it's okay but as a comparison test this is useless. Remind me of the times Nordost used changing recordings to sell cables..."listen to how much better this sound now..." jeez.
They changed the song because to keep listening to the same clip is boring as hell and this was a demo done at a hifi dealers nothing scientific about it
What an irony! End such presentation with a song about extortion of workers in Africa at the system that worth a fortune. Counciousness of the western man!
I Cannot tell you how bad this Naim equipment is, I checked out this system with a pair of Kanta 2, and it sound terrible. There is allot better to be had for the money.
Because audiophiles don't have the experience or education to understand what matters (the skill of the original recording engineer, the choice of loudspeakers, their placement in a room and the acoustics of that room), audiophiles spend fortunes on the wrong things, which are the high-profit-margin and well advertised items like cables, power conditioners, amplifiers, power cables, connectors, resistors, and just about everything that has almost nothing to do with the quality of reproduced music - but makes loads of money for the people selling these fetishes.
Don’t waste your money on this hype. There are far better systems out there.
I am not fan of NAIM sound.
wtfff???????
Shite music all the way through what are you frightened of? Love the exploited worker comment at the end
Overpriced junk
Exactly. Audiophile's are the dumbest people to be found. Instead of making the initial effort of finding speakers with right tonal balance (hint: studio monitors), they will use hardware such as tubes, cables and amp's to eq the sound. These people are literally on a treasure hunt, and every now and then, they will find some piece of gear that offer a tiny, miniscule improvement to the inherent flaws in their speakers (aka synergy). What a sad, inconsistent and uncertain way to arrive at good sound.
Did you ever heard it ?
@@kamilkashaf2766 thanks for YOUR Opinion, but that's all it is.
@@GeoffParsons1469 Opinions are not "all that they are". They are tools to convince people of a view point by means of an argument. Opinions also have a tendency to be popular or unpopular, and usually, those that suggest audiophile's are essentially dumb individuals are on the list of those highly approved by most (the audiophile community notwithstanding).
@@kamilkashaf2766 thanks again for your opinion :)
Omg this sounds awful.