I ordered mine yesterday. M4 24GB, 256GB. I use external drives for all my data. Some SSD and RAID spinners. I don’t turn off desktops very often. Plus that on button doesn’t look too hard to get to. I think it will be just fine.
Will probably be replacing my base model 14" M1 Pro Pro with a Mac mini with M4 Pro. As it turns out I never leave the house so having a laptop just doesn't make sense 💀
@@MarcoBeSomething Yeh. I've got a nice Samsung Frame television that would really sing with a Mac Mini strapped to the back of it. My iPad mini doing PADD duty. A macbook just isn't fitting the vibe.
@@POVwithRC makes sense, my conundrum is between having a Mac mini and iPad combo or a MacBook that I that can dock to use as a desktop that I can take portably and take the iPad if I decide to leave the laptop at home.
"That's enough wine for me" He says, the glass raised up to his mouth Great video by the way! I'd definitely buy the M4 Pro Mac Mini as my go-to desktop if my current M1 Mac Mini with 16gb of ram wasn't doing everything damn near perfectly already. If I had never purchased a Mac before though...? Definitely, especially since in the future I'll be working with animation a lot and may need to upgrade from the M1 regardless, and the M4 Pro should be able to handle workloads like that.
Checked them out & if you don't upgrade it to much it is alright price wise. But once you start upgrading, might as well go for a lower end Studio. Hope they announce a 27" or 32" iMac so I could remortgage my condo to get one!
I think it depends on the user and work type. I only keep apps on my internal storage. All mission critical work is kept on some kind of external drive like a network RAID or even a simple USB drive for modularity and portability.
Power button on the bottom may actually be a dealbreaker for me. I use my current as a take it with me mounted inside a rack chassis. Not being able to turn it on after every time I unplug it is so problematic.
That makes sense. I’d say that if you have to have one, set it up to power on after power loss. That way you just have to plug it in to power it on. 👍😁
@@GarrettCrespo Huh. That's actually a really good idea. Thank you! I wonder if it does any damage to the computer by cutting off power instead of shutting it down.
That’s how my current mini is set up so I don’t have to dig it out of my shelf whenever the power goes out and it’s been fine since 2020. And I have blackouts and brownouts a lot durning the stormy summer time 😅
I'm also very tempted to get an M4 Mac Mini. 512 GB is my sweet-spot for computer storage, and I'd probably go for 24 GB of unified memory, which gives even more "breathing room". I used to have an M1 Mac Mini; I bought it to replace my trusty, heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro, which finally died in February 2021. This Mac Mini was the first computer I ever bought brand new (I've purchased dozens of computers second-hand in my lifetime, and found or been gifted a few, but the M1 Mini was my first NEW computer). I replaced the M1 Mac Mini, which became my Dad's computer, with an M1 Max Mac Studio, which is a superb machine.
I think the Studio make sense if you are pushing Ai models locally or anything graphic heavy. But that’s mostly down to the Ram unless you are doing Stable Diffusion locally. Overall the Studio is the way to go for heavy work, but my M2 Pro with 16GB can swing well above its weight class for sure.
Great video. I think you should upgrade, I did. I’m trading in my base model M1. I don’t use it professionally, it’s just banking, web browsing, social media, organizing household tasks... Even Apple’s trade-in will leave me with a roughly $350 priced M4. The new Mini would cost even less if I sold it on eBay or Marketplace. The faster processor and 16gb of Ram eliminated any price pain.
I have an M1 Mini with 16/512GB. It is still doing fine but the upgrade to the top M4 includes 24 GB and adding 1TB SSD upgrade comes to $1799. I’m a bit concerned that the shrinking form factor will have cooling issues. I’ll wait to see if it gets too hot under stress. Personally the size doesn’t matter to me and I’ll upgrade because I use AI a lot and might find Apple Intelligence useful. Also I do a lot of photo super resolution work and some video editing. Here is surprising indicator of how good the M1 performs in Pixelmator Pro super resolution on a typical 16 GB M4/3 photo. M1 15 secs. My 2017 Intel I5 Mini needed 3 minutes! So i feel that I don’t need the M4, but it will future proof me at an affordable price. The bottom power button looks like a pain in the …..er finger.
My m1 mini still works great and I edit 4K video everyday with FCPX but I ordered the new one the second the event ended. Can’t wait to get it on Monday.
Thank you, for your comments. I have a question, does anybody know if, you need at least an M-4 processor to use Apple's new AI feature? If, the answer is no then for myself, I prefer either the now discontinued M-2 "mac mini" Pro, or the M-2 "Mac Studio". Why? Because, I still use legacy USB "A" port devices including my Apple wired keyboard, Apple DVD drive, and Epson inkjet printer (smile ... smile).
oh no but it is better for running it on device also nice lol still used usb a you can always get converters and thingys that split one port intp multiple thingys etc
Depends on whether you want to leave sit connected all the time or if you're planning to move it around. I usually use rear ports for permanent storage and front for temporary. Cause Samsung's SSD's wont be limited by speed unless its actually a thunderbolt drive
The old school Mac Mini design is great and I won’t hear slander towards it. It’s a big block of cooling with plenty of airspace and it’s thin. It looks nice while not trying too hard. The new one looks like an Apple TV which is also fine.
The “slow storage” that is only in the budget focused machine that also runs at 1.5GB/s and doesn’t actually slow down until transferring nearly 180GB of massive video files in one go? I doubt it. But I did make a video on why people getting upset about that was kind of nonsensical. You should check it out 😁 ua-cam.com/video/dHsKU-DnZg0/v-deo.htmlsi=Q0nM6qJ6Z-q23j9y
This video is about the Mac mini. Not my tattoos, but I appreciate the opinion. However, I chose things that were formative to me and will never cause me regrets. 😁
Not arguing this. If you don't like tattoos, that's your choice and I chose differently. End of discussion. Why not talk about something relevant like the actual subject of the video?
@. I just thought the singlet and the fresh tattoos was a bit much…thats it all thats it ,,,a bit try hard. But whatever I could give a sh.t really off to work now have a good one
Tempting but my M1 16 gig still rocks ... I do Like the new smaller format but don't mind the Old chassis either, It matches my i5 intel Mac !! If were purchasing I would definite be tempted with a upgrade the RAM 32/64 for that added Performance Boost and Longevity
For ninety percent of users... a Mac from fifteen years ago would be fine. Built-in obsolescence through software updates... sets off the illusion of a fundamental change that you're missing out on. This is how a high end tech company ( that purportedly build tech to last ) keeps people buying their newest physical products. With small, incremental processor changes and five year obsolescence for their hardware - only because of their dubious software update requirements. People desperately want an excuse to consume... and Apple is the perfect enabler.
I will say, trying to call out Apples “five year support life” for Mac computers at this point in time is a bit disingenuous. Firstly because the oldest supported mac is 8 years old, but secondly because Apple is in the middle of a full transition from one CPU architecture to another. When Apple was all in on Intel, Mac’s would get 8-10 years of support. Same thing in the PowerPC days. But during the transition, support was shortened in order to get the entire product line on to the new chip type in order to avoid a fractured developer environment. It’s not ideal, but it also only happens 3 times in apples history over the course of nearly three decades. 🤷♂️ I don’t think that’s a very dubious software update/support program.
Wait, the Thunderbolt 5 is only on the 'Pro" model. Things change so, you should get at least 24 gigs of RAM. Never get the small hard drive at least get 1GIG or you WILL be sorry...is what I think!!! So..$1500 if you want it to last. IMO.
I can see where you're coming from, but it also depends on the work type. For me, this would be deployed as a storage server where it only has to manage external storage and a few programs. So the base is enough. TB5 is definitely a consideration for anyone looking to run a dock or something though.
@@GarrettCrespo I have a Mac Mini from 2014, and it still performs well. However, I think it's time to upgrade to a new computer to keep up with technology. I'm looking for a machine that will be reliable for at least five years. So, I think I will go for the Pro model, being that it has T5 and I have a lot of external storage.
To be fair, the old chassis is what all of the mounts and accessories and server racks use, so it’s kind of a big deal for anyone with Mac mini mounts or accessories. Especially people who rack mount them.
That is a good point. But with Apple being the only company making the Mac mini, those companies usually adapt and release new accessories pretty quick. Though that does add a cost for people buying new hardware. It’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t
@ Yeah it was great for the M2 Pro, because it had the same chassis as the old Mini, so I found a bunch of ultra cheap third party mounts that had been in circulation forever now. If I want to put the new one under a desk or mounted to the monitor everything will be brand new after all the vendors catch up, and therefore the price point will be premium, and the gear buying cycle begins anew lol. Kind of the advantage of keeping old designs for a longer product cycle. Was nice to get a keyboard folio for the iPad 9 because it fit anything they have made for a decade now. Change is a good thing but generational updates makes upgrading a whole ordeal in the beginning.
Been years since I’ve turned my Mac off. It’s almost just a button you press once during the entire lifespan of a Mac. For that reason the button placement doesn’t seem to be a problem.
I ordered mine yesterday. M4 24GB, 256GB. I use external drives for all my data. Some SSD and RAID spinners. I don’t turn off desktops very often. Plus that on button doesn’t look too hard to get to. I think it will be just fine.
Will probably be replacing my base model 14" M1 Pro Pro with a Mac mini with M4 Pro.
As it turns out I never leave the house so having a laptop just doesn't make sense 💀
lol
I’m actually having a similar dilemma; my iPad overlaps with my MacBook and I’ve been doing school online so I’m considering the Mac Mini.
@@MarcoBeSomething Yeh. I've got a nice Samsung Frame television that would really sing with a Mac Mini strapped to the back of it. My iPad mini doing PADD duty. A macbook just isn't fitting the vibe.
@@POVwithRC makes sense, my conundrum is between having a Mac mini and iPad combo or a MacBook that I that can dock to use as a desktop that I can take portably and take the iPad if I decide to leave the laptop at home.
"That's enough wine for me" He says, the glass raised up to his mouth
Great video by the way! I'd definitely buy the M4 Pro Mac Mini as my go-to desktop if my current M1 Mac Mini with 16gb of ram wasn't doing everything damn near perfectly already. If I had never purchased a Mac before though...? Definitely, especially since in the future I'll be working with animation a lot and may need to upgrade from the M1 regardless, and the M4 Pro should be able to handle workloads like that.
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Checked them out & if you don't upgrade it to much it is alright price wise. But once you start upgrading, might as well go for a lower end Studio. Hope they announce a 27" or 32" iMac so I could remortgage my condo to get one!
256GB in 2024 it's a hard pill to swallow but at least they maintain the price and increased the RAM.
I think it depends on the user and work type. I only keep apps on my internal storage. All mission critical work is kept on some kind of external drive like a network RAID or even a simple USB drive for modularity and portability.
@@javierrico1406 honestly if Apple just got out of their own way they would sell way more computers
Power button on the bottom may actually be a dealbreaker for me. I use my current as a take it with me mounted inside a rack chassis. Not being able to turn it on after every time I unplug it is so problematic.
That makes sense. I’d say that if you have to have one, set it up to power on after power loss. That way you just have to plug it in to power it on. 👍😁
@@GarrettCrespo Huh. That's actually a really good idea. Thank you! I wonder if it does any damage to the computer by cutting off power instead of shutting it down.
That’s how my current mini is set up so I don’t have to dig it out of my shelf whenever the power goes out and it’s been fine since 2020. And I have blackouts and brownouts a lot durning the stormy summer time 😅
@@iocomposer nice you made it so he might still buy one
Smaller size means it is easier to put it in the bag while travelling. Sadly noone has made a weight comparison.
@@717pixels9 because very few people would travel with this as it requires a monitor which are generally not easy to travel with
Base Model: About 730 grams for the new m4, 1280 for the m2.
@@MrSoopah Thank you. More than half a kilo difference is a lot.
@@MrSoopah woah who'd have thought it would be kinda heavy. But still lightweight to carry around on your backpack
@@Helios.vfx. Only slightly heavier than a large iPad. Not too bad imho.
I'm also very tempted to get an M4 Mac Mini. 512 GB is my sweet-spot for computer storage, and I'd probably go for 24 GB of unified memory, which gives even more "breathing room".
I used to have an M1 Mac Mini; I bought it to replace my trusty, heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro, which finally died in February 2021. This Mac Mini was the first computer I ever bought brand new (I've purchased dozens of computers second-hand in my lifetime, and found or been gifted a few, but the M1 Mini was my first NEW computer). I replaced the M1 Mac Mini, which became my Dad's computer, with an M1 Max Mac Studio, which is a superb machine.
I think the Studio make sense if you are pushing Ai models locally or anything graphic heavy. But that’s mostly down to the Ram unless you are doing Stable Diffusion locally. Overall the Studio is the way to go for heavy work, but my M2 Pro with 16GB can swing well above its weight class for sure.
Great video. I think you should upgrade, I did. I’m trading in my base model M1. I don’t use it professionally, it’s just banking, web browsing, social media, organizing household tasks... Even Apple’s trade-in will leave me with a roughly $350 priced M4. The new Mini would cost even less if I sold it on eBay or Marketplace. The faster processor and 16gb of Ram eliminated any price pain.
I have an M1 Mini with 16/512GB. It is still doing fine but the upgrade to the top M4 includes 24 GB and adding 1TB SSD upgrade comes to $1799. I’m a bit concerned that the shrinking form factor will have cooling issues. I’ll wait to see if it gets too hot under stress. Personally the size doesn’t matter to me and I’ll upgrade because I use AI a lot and might find Apple Intelligence useful. Also I do a lot of photo super resolution work and some video editing. Here is surprising indicator of how good the M1 performs in Pixelmator Pro super resolution on a typical 16 GB M4/3 photo. M1 15 secs. My 2017 Intel I5 Mini needed 3 minutes! So i feel that I don’t need the M4, but it will future proof me at an affordable price. The bottom power button looks like a pain in the …..er finger.
My m1 mini still works great and I edit 4K video everyday with FCPX but I ordered the new one the second the event ended. Can’t wait to get it on Monday.
I’m glad I was not the only one thinking that we had an IR receiver and that Apple was suddenly bringing back front row. :-)
Thank you, for your comments. I have a question, does anybody know if, you need at least an M-4 processor to use Apple's new AI feature? If, the answer is no then for myself, I prefer either the now discontinued M-2 "mac mini" Pro, or the M-2 "Mac Studio". Why? Because, I still use legacy USB "A" port devices including my Apple wired keyboard, Apple DVD drive, and Epson inkjet printer (smile ... smile).
oh no but it is better for running it on device also nice lol still used usb a you can always get converters and thingys that split one port intp multiple thingys etc
thanks for the info!
Which port should I use for my Samsung SSD the front usb or the rear thunderbolt ports
Depends on whether you want to leave sit connected all the time or if you're planning to move it around. I usually use rear ports for permanent storage and front for temporary. Cause Samsung's SSD's wont be limited by speed unless its actually a thunderbolt drive
anyone know which portable 13 inch monitor that can connect to this on travel that don't cost more than the mac mini?
The old school Mac Mini design is great and I won’t hear slander towards it. It’s a big block of cooling with plenty of airspace and it’s thin. It looks nice while not trying too hard. The new one looks like an Apple TV which is also fine.
Have they fixed the slow storage on the base model (one chip ssd) yet?
The “slow storage” that is only in the budget focused machine that also runs at 1.5GB/s and doesn’t actually slow down until transferring nearly 180GB of massive video files in one go? I doubt it. But I did make a video on why people getting upset about that was kind of nonsensical. You should check it out 😁
ua-cam.com/video/dHsKU-DnZg0/v-deo.htmlsi=Q0nM6qJ6Z-q23j9y
@@GarrettCrespo cool
your videos are very insightful. subscribed
You know what doesn’t get better with age ? Tattoos
This video is about the Mac mini. Not my tattoos, but I appreciate the opinion. However, I chose things that were formative to me and will never cause me regrets. 😁
@ yes they will.
Not arguing this. If you don't like tattoos, that's your choice and I chose differently. End of discussion. Why not talk about something relevant like the actual subject of the video?
@. I just thought the singlet and the fresh tattoos was a bit much…thats it all thats it ,,,a bit try hard. But whatever I could give a sh.t really off to work now have a good one
Well, they're all several years old. None are fresh and I still love all of them. But whatever. Have a good day at work. 👍
Tempting but my M1 16 gig still rocks ... I do Like the new smaller format but don't mind the Old chassis either, It matches my i5 intel Mac !! If were purchasing I would definite be tempted with a upgrade the RAM 32/64 for that added Performance Boost and Longevity
Powerbutton is only to start..
For ninety percent of users... a Mac from fifteen years ago would be fine.
Built-in obsolescence through software updates... sets off the illusion of a fundamental change that you're missing out on.
This is how a high end tech company ( that purportedly build tech to last ) keeps people buying their newest physical products.
With small, incremental processor changes and five year obsolescence for their hardware - only because of their dubious software update requirements.
People desperately want an excuse to consume... and Apple is the perfect enabler.
I will say, trying to call out Apples “five year support life” for Mac computers at this point in time is a bit disingenuous. Firstly because the oldest supported mac is 8 years old, but secondly because Apple is in the middle of a full transition from one CPU architecture to another. When Apple was all in on Intel, Mac’s would get 8-10 years of support. Same thing in the PowerPC days. But during the transition, support was shortened in order to get the entire product line on to the new chip type in order to avoid a fractured developer environment.
It’s not ideal, but it also only happens 3 times in apples history over the course of nearly three decades. 🤷♂️ I don’t think that’s a very dubious software update/support program.
I will still use my Mini M1 8Gb 512Gb SSD until next year when I could buy this M4 2nd hand.
u have banding issues on the video.
Ya. The panel light behind me plays hell with my camera sensor in lower light
Wait, the Thunderbolt 5 is only on the 'Pro" model. Things change so, you should get at least 24 gigs of RAM. Never get the small hard drive at least get 1GIG or you WILL be sorry...is what I think!!! So..$1500 if you want it to last. IMO.
I can see where you're coming from, but it also depends on the work type. For me, this would be deployed as a storage server where it only has to manage external storage and a few programs. So the base is enough. TB5 is definitely a consideration for anyone looking to run a dock or something though.
@@GarrettCrespo I have a Mac Mini from 2014, and it still performs well. However, I think it's time to upgrade to a new computer to keep up with technology. I'm looking for a machine that will be reliable for at least five years. So, I think I will go for the Pro model, being that it has T5 and I have a lot of external storage.
buy it
Interesting as a server running LLMs
Didn't think about that. That would be cool to try if the Neural Engine has the power for it!
There was nothing wrong with the old chassis.
bit to big
No one really cares about the chassis.
No one.
Businesses didn't. Generally users often did.
To be fair, the old chassis is what all of the mounts and accessories and server racks use, so it’s kind of a big deal for anyone with Mac mini mounts or accessories. Especially people who rack mount them.
That is a good point. But with Apple being the only company making the Mac mini, those companies usually adapt and release new accessories pretty quick. Though that does add a cost for people buying new hardware. It’s kind of damned if you do and damned if you don’t
@ Yeah it was great for the M2 Pro, because it had the same chassis as the old Mini, so I found a bunch of ultra cheap third party mounts that had been in circulation forever now. If I want to put the new one under a desk or mounted to the monitor everything will be brand new after all the vendors catch up, and therefore the price point will be premium, and the gear buying cycle begins anew lol. Kind of the advantage of keeping old designs for a longer product cycle. Was nice to get a keyboard folio for the iPad 9 because it fit anything they have made for a decade now. Change is a good thing but generational updates makes upgrading a whole ordeal in the beginning.
Front ports and absolutely irrelevant mini jack in front looks awful. Also on/off button in a silly position.
yepp i really agree with you , i will keep for years my m2 pro mac mini :)
Been years since I’ve turned my Mac off. It’s almost just a button you press once during the entire lifespan of a Mac. For that reason the button placement doesn’t seem to be a problem.