Everyone Who Tried This Has FAILED - Khadas Mind Modular PC
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This thing makes the Mac Mini look gigantic! And don’t even get us started on how big your full tower gaming rig is. The Khadas Mind is a tiny workstation that has big plans. On top of containing a 12-core Intel processor this thing will be able to dock with an RTX 4060 Ti using their new-fangled Mind Connector! The only thing in their way? That pesky PCIe standard.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Razer's Project Christine was a gamechanger
1:24 What powers the mind?
3:16 Mind's Link Hi-Speed Connector
6:01 Hot-Swap PCIe - The Rough Rundown
7:08 The Mind in Action
8:13 Gaming - Наука та технологія
I have to stop myself from assuming the video is 10 years old every time I see Linus in the thumbnail without a beard. What the hell man you haven't aged a day!
4 years old.
The COVID beard only showed up in 2020.
@@TheHammerGuy94i want the COVID beard back nonetheless!
Its becoz he got a hydra-facial
@@TheHammerGuy94he’s comparing His look from 10 years ago not 4 years ago. You definitely don’t sound as smart as you thought with that correction huh?
@@themeetvorahail hydra
Imagine Yvonne saw the intro without any other context of the video
wow you got the joke
I'd imagine he got permission from her to make that joke
@@poletooke4691But Linus slept on the couch that night.
@@poletooke4691He didn't
Well, it was nice knowing Linus.
That code bit with Adam at the end was *chef's kiss*.
Yeah i really Loled
It’s wild to have been watching Linus (and other tech UA-camrs) for so long…I’m watching a decade later video on how tech didn’t work, remembering watching that original coverage of it…
Back in Highschool, one of the kids told me they were so rich they had a Project Christine at home. Impressionable 14 year old me totally believed it.
I just realized it he lied to me LMAO.
(I completely forgot about this and the intro unlocked that memory)
Hahaha a kid once told me had a button which he could press and ot would open up a tenniscourt from the ground! And little me believed it and was super inpressed! Lol!
I had a kid tell me that he had a antivirus tower defense game and that if he let the virus pass and you lost, the virus got into the computer, affecting the files. I kinda believed him, later thought it was just a stupid lie and now I think it might have been some sort of ransomware xD
"my uncle works at nintendo" type beat lmaooo
When I took a girl home (both of us were over 18) at night and there is a large antenna in the forest with two red lights. She asked what it was, I said a giant robot I'm building in the forest...
She believed it... 😁
Probably had that awful thermaltake level10 case and didn't know better
Linus:"Its Christine who is on my mind these days"
Yvonne:"so you have chosen death"
😂
@linustechtips
More hot tub pics coming
haha.. i cheat on my wife.....how ...humorous
@@Amerikanskis with Computer Hardware. Yes it's hilarious.
Not surprised that the audio included in the dock is decent, they're no strangers to audio. Khadas also makes killer DAC/AMP devices like the Tone2 Pro and the nifty MagSafe Khadas Tea
I was so confused, never thought they'd go from tone board to mind pc
I think they missed an opportunity to appeal to Audiophiles with the Mind. Granted that's probably a good thing (compare it to the several thousand dollar 10lb Digital Audio Players that have become popular). Then again, maybe Tone 3 will be a Mind device?
2:17 - pretty impressive that small battery even powers the monitor when the power goes out
I dunno, I think the steamdeck excels this in multiple way
I think your wrong, steamdeck is not this well expandable@@iPodHikARu
Yeah. It‘s suspicious, right? How many monitors support redundant power supply from usb-c. I know portable monitors that do. But that doesn’t look like one and you likely don’t use one one your desktop, since they are shit and smaller. Did @LinusTechTips fake this for sponsorship by just turning off the light?
@@stonemannerieprobably just a demonstration.
Yeah, I have little faith with any “modular” computer that relies on a bespoke port like that. I can’t expect any long term support with this. I’d like to see them try their best though!
to be fair khadas has a great history with pin compability on ther sbc. So this might even be a good product.
TBF, this isn't new- the old Dell E7240 also has a similar docking port, its just that later models moved to thunderbolt/USB docks.
I could totally see this work, but it has to be priced right and be a standard other companies can also create products for.
As long as they publish the pin out and a few crafty people get their hands on it, there will be a great DIY/Modding community to support it with new peripherals, and hopefully someone entrepreneuring enough to actually make and sell hardware, even if Khadas doesn't necessarily last. A lot of people have being waiting for something like this, so I am sure that a few of them would run wild with that pinout diagram.
PCs are already modular anyway. These concepts just make it harder with the new compatibility issues.
Yvonne going into Linus' finances to check how much he spent on (Project) Christine: 🤨🤨🤨🧐🧐🧐
Edit: Holy hell, this is my most popular comment ever. tysm!
🤨🤨🤨
it's probably a write-off...
@@jpfidalgo7 I hope you are joking about his rant….
@@jpfidalgo7you didnt get the joke
@@DmadPs you didn’t get JD’s joke lol
Built-in UPS feels like a no-brainer that I haven't ever seen in regular PC's.
Just not necessary to justify cost
Tbf, had a thunderstorm knock out power for a second and then come back on and my pc was running tomb raider throughout lol
2:14 That has actually come in clutch when the power went out during a storm this winter, where the capacitors in my speaker just held long enough for the KDE "Device disconnected" sound to play when my monitor shut down because of the power loss. But because I was on my laptop at that point in time I lost no work, it just kept going.
Kde mentioned
@@PushingFriend28
Is that a problem?
@@Lampe2020 no why
@@PushingFriend28
It seemed like you thought so.
@@Lampe2020 how
It would be super cool if they would produce a Laptop Dock so you could plug it in and work on the go.
Maybe a collab with Framework? I would just love to see that.
so then what do you gain by using that over a laptop?
@@somerandomnpc9795 If you dont want to work mobile you can just plug it in your "Home Dock" and all the Monitors and Periphals will work without having to plug them all in (as with a laptop).
Its also easier to transport the mini Computer than a Laptop.
@@somerandomnpc9795Usually the benefit of a laptop dock is convenience. You can have all your screens, power, ethernet, peripherals etc. plugged into the dock on your desk, then you can just plug a single cable into your laptop.
The advantage of this particular dock is much more bandwidth, so you could have something like a graphics card on your desk for gaming, and dock your laptop to it. tbh, I can't think of any other advantages.
@@somerandomnpc9795This is far, far more compact. Thermals may be considerably better too (I have to use a thinkpad for work and I've had to improvise legs for it out of post-it-note pads to keep it from overheating on the pre-installed rubber feet) especially given how small the battery on it is. Weight is also better, and the fact that it's designed to hot-swap with gadgets means you could have it basically constantly switching between whatever form factor you need at that moment. I run into that a lot at my job, if I could have my thinkpad be a 2oz tablet when I need to show somebody something or bring it over to another desk that would be way better than trying to either bring my whole 5lb laptop or trying to reposition my ONE 34in monitor (my 2 others are smaller, including the thinkpad's screen, I do CAD at work) so that someone far away can see it
@@phuzz00 I believe he meant what advantages are gained over just using a normal laptop and dock
Actually love the idea. If this sticks around I could see myself modding one of the little docks into a Framework laptop shell to pop it in at night and use in bed. The idea of a this small of a package you can pop in and out and carry around is pretty fun. Would probably be a nice solution for some people with high security needs. Its very portable, stealthy, and the whole thing comes with you. Not leaving anything exposing behind at all.
You're leaving the docking station behind. NUCs have been around for years and are still around.
@@charlesturner897 I'm saying if someone had docks at all the different places they work, like if a company invested in the whole ecosystem and made them employee standard.
You could even make it so it has to be in a company owned dock to unlock and work, keeping the actual pc encrypted.
This is a very good idea. You could totally have it docked in a GPU dock at your desk, then pop the mind into a laptop and bring it anywhere you want! Obviously you can already make a VPN remote desktop out of your home PC and connect to it anywhere from your laptop, but this is another cool solution.
Or just always use a laptop and a dock...
This is what I do at home and work, all for the price of just the mind component.
This is what I want for a work PC. I don't travel often, but if I did have to travel somewhere, all I would need is a monitor, and most offices I would go to would have one so, this would be great!!! No more laptop hogging up my desk space!
That would be quite interesting replacement for company/school issued laptops. With all work stations having dock, monitor and peripherals, just move the machine bits around as required. Even if they'd be leased by educational institute, by the time student graduates (so generally 3~4 years) the older hardware may very well be at point to upgrade so the students could buy to keep their issued machine.
The goal is nice, and the PCIe interface is cool. But to me, it seems like a solution looking for a problem. I take with me my laptop, and dock it using USB-C thunderbolt.
Of course it is. It's an attempt to use "modularity" as a way to market "Why get a tower when you could replace those standard components with.... the same thing but we charge you a premiium for them and you HAVE to buy them from us!"
@@JamesR624 No current eGPUs have limited bandwidth over TB4, and this one uses an actual PCIE slot albeit modified meaning you can possibly get full speed Desktop GPU docks and have a proper gaming setup with the only thing needing to be added is the Mini pc, and the Hotswappable docks is a good thing then because you can have two GPU docks, one in your gaming room and one in the living room so if you have people over and want to play using controllers on the tv you dont have to buy a whole nother computer or console, and 4k 60 can be done with a 4060/4070 which is like 450/500 compared to 600 dollar consoles while still having advantage of upgradable storage that doesn't need to be Xbox or PS5 certified
@@theengineer2017
While that is true, that eGPUs to the level of a 4090 for example have limited bandwidth over TB4, the solution isn't this.
1st - This is an i7 low tdp mobile CPU. That will be a bottleneck long before the TB4.
2nd - USB5 is coming soon, which won't be bottlenecked nearly as much, eliminating that issue almost entirely.
3rd - The RTX 4070 is more expensive than the consoles, so you're just wrong on that.
4th - The RTX 4060 is not capable of 4K 60. I can't even get 1080p 60 in most new titles with my 4060.
5th - Having the modular PC provide no benefits compared to something like a HTPC or even a Lenovo Legion Go. Yes, a USB4 will be bottlenecked to an RTX 4090, but you're talking about RTX 4060/70 cards and they wouldn't be bottlenecked - not to mention the CPU in the Go would be more powerful than the device in the video.
6th - Nothing stops you from streaming from your PC to your TV. Latency is not really an issue with modern broadband for most developed areas. Or alternatively, can use a display port and wireless device.
Basically, there are so many already existing alternatives that just do it already, but don't have insane costs to unsupported tech that doesn't fix a problem.
@@theengineer2017 Sure, an eGPU is bandwidth limited over TB4, but this thing is clearly CPU limited. If they can only hit a stuttering 60 FPS on low in CS2, a high-end GPU is going to be severely underutilized.
I game on a laptop with TB4 using an eGPU, and while performance isn't quite what it would be in a full desktop, it's surprisingly close. For $1000, you can get a pretty decent laptop, especially if you don't need an internal GPU because you plan to game with an eGPU. And then you get something you can actually use on-the-go.
I'm glad your work demand is not hindered by the constraints of just having a laptop screen. But as soon as you prefer a monitor at your 2+ work spots, then the laptop screen is just added weight when traveling.
Seems like a great solution to a problem that doesn't seem to exist. If you need more portability than a laptop or tablet, know that you won't need a screen, and confident that you'll have the monitor and keyboard where ever you're going, then sure. Maybe 'I travel on Spirit weekly and want to minimize the computer I take with me'
I think the bases of this is for internal enterprise use. Everyone in the company with one base and one PC, need to make a presentation? Just take your PC and plug it in the base that are already connected to the projector or TV, needs to check a thing in another sector? Take your PC there. Also, with other platform available you could have everyone using the same base but some with more graphic power, to do 3D or graphic work and others just the hub for more office oriented jobs. But i think the size could be a compromise to have more powerful systems.
@@pedro4205that sounds like a problem servers and thinclient have solved more than a decade ago, and a lot cheaper at scale than this thing.
I can see it being helpful for those of us who either work remote sometimes, or work at different stations throughout the day in an office and would like to bring our setup with us instead of logging into discreet sessions on each new PC across the day without our settings and everything there. Of course that would assume docks are available at each spot, but I guess you could theoretically not use that.
I mean you can just use any TV where you're going and a foldable keyboard. But it makes more sense for the extreme business oriented who take stuff on the go with them and need it well protected.
@@pedro4205Not just enterprises, but it could also work in an academic setting where you will cycle through various rooms to work on your research and present lectures. Walking around with a mini PC that is entirely your own is much better than the standard practices of either having your large laptop to plug into everything that's needed (which my aunt does at her university) or to log into the same PC as everyone else (which is the case at the university I'm currently attending).
7:04
That's my wild guess of how they manage to get it done. There's a special driver installed on the machine that can request the WinNT kernel, once the dock is connected, to allocate a memory for it, enumerate the devices, and allocate some spare bits for them as well. Once it's disconnected, just free up the bits, like nothing ever happened.
Actually got one (premium i7 version) and can’t wait til the graphics dock arrives here. Thanks for the video ❤
How are you gonna save your work in a power outage if the monitor turns off😂
You can still press CTRL+S, but that is indeed an issue.
I just paused the video to see whether anyone else had mentioned this 😆
Just press the slumber/hibernate button. No problem ;)
it's better to have an UPS, everyone should have one.
I guess you need to plug the monitor and mouse keyboard to the device rather than the dock.
Sounds like some Thunderbolt dongles with extra steps.
Me every time the teacher asks me to read outloud 😭😭
Pcie (especially pcie 5 but even 4) is really much more preferable to thunderbolt 4 if needing high bandwidth
@@SirSomnolent I thought thunderbolt basically was PCIe?
@@madspacepigWhy do you think GPUs use PCIE instead of USB C? (Other than compatibility.)
@@LambdaMiscellaneous from the second paragraph of Thunderbolt's Wikipedia page: "Thunderbolt combines PCI Express (PCIe) and DisplayPort (DP) into two serial signals,[9][10] and additionally provides DC power via a single cable."
A couple of years ago this would be a nobrainer for me, I looked far and wide for this kind of solution.
Right now my workflow changed but it is still a very cool idea.
I'm so glad companies are still trying to innovate on mini PCs, but idk how useful this kind of thing is over a pocketable netbook form factor. Like if a GPD Pocket had that connector
That razor Christine project is actually so dope looking
I had the Motorola Z2 Force with several Moto Mods... I LOVED THAT ECOSYSTEM! Great performing phone and awesome attachments like a battery pack with wireless charging or a better camera. I wished they continued with it.
Would love to see something similar for PCs come to mass market.
I loved my projector. Somehow it actually came in handy on occasion
@@andrewmorris483 That was a nice one. Wished I had it!
The speaker was awesome on job sites
I miss it too phones are boring now other than chinese ones with no coverage in my country
Framework Desktop, perhaps?
I like highly modular designs, but they do need to be supported beyond a single manufacturer (ideally through a standards body) to have more staying power.
I remember getting pretty crazy battery life with the Moto Z with battery mod (I had the JBL speaker mod, as well) and was excited for that whole type of ecosystem from the Project Ara concept onward. But there really weren't enough mods, and the whole thing only lasted a few generations.
This could actually be great for a home server/NAS if they would make a 4 bay 3.5" enclosure (which I guess would be quite a fitting width) and a 10GbE port or two.
Honestly I would love to have these at work. Just set up the docks at our desks in office and at home and conference rooms and have a few of the tables in the team room for when needed.
This thing would be substantially more attractive if it came with a Core Ultra chip. The Ultra chips really just made any 'P' series chip obsolete.
or a decent ryzen....
Would genuinely love one of these with something like a 7945X3D in it, with an eGPU solution that can go up to something like a desktop RTX 4090
8955hx3d (god what a name) along with an egpu 5090 via something like occulink would probably be along the lines of 7800x3d + 4090, while drawing less power.
Why not just get the Minis Forum ITX motherboard?
More research was needed on this one :)
It should be noted that in early 2017, HP released the HP Elite Slice to the world, a modular PC where the main PC part stacks on top of the components you can buy for it. They had a meeting room module, video ingest module, wireless display module, Optical disc drive module, and VESA plate module. Each module could be stacked on top of each other.
The only thing it couldn't do was be portable.
I have the Elite Slice here at home, sadly mine has power related issues that I have never been able to figure out, but when it does power up, it works, and it works awesomely.
I had such a flashback. I once also attempted to add an external GPU enclosure to my Latitude E6420 with a weird connector that went either into a storage or an expansion card connector.
microsoft's surface series does all this and you dont even need screen/kb/m half the time. for that price you could get a surface pro 9 and a dock. plug egpu into thunderbolt port, boom. modular pc that works all the time even when you dont have a screen or other peripherals.
If this was a lot cheaper maybe it would have an advantage
Does the Surface Pro 9 use an actual dock or it's just a fancy dongle?
@koushiroizumi0 they have a good dock with all the i/o you need, using either proprietary connector or thunderbolt.
@@koushiroizumi0what's the difference? The only thing you get with their "dock" is a proprietary connector. At least with thunderbolt you can use ANY thunderbolt dock.
Or go for an alternative brand. Pick up an ASUS Zenbook flip for a lot less, with all the same benefits of the Surface, with the added benefits of better build, less cost and better display.
Seems comparable to modern laptops, but can't be used without a dock or external hardware. Cant see a use case that this really wins at
Ohh lets not forget proprietary exspensive gpu docks! Woohoo
it can be used without dock.... just plug usb-c power adapter.
@@user-yj3mf1dk7bdid you not realize that its usb c power in only?
Great idea. This could also be a good thing for shared work stations, having to carry and plug in a laptop with you is often a chore. This could make the process of sharing a workspace with other people much more comfortable, as long as you don't need to work on the go.
Ugh! You reminded me again with project ARA. I was so excited that time since it was leaked and couldn't get it off my mind for years waiting for it only for it to be scrapped 🥺
Now you brought back all the pain! 😭
So they invented port replicators that were common until like a decade ago, when type-c and thunderbolt took over. But now without keyboard, screen, and small battery. How innovative!!
If anyone interested, then Dell E-Port or ThinkPad/HP docking connector can give you plenty of examples.
Did those docks have PCIe x8 for an external GPU ?
@@bastienx8I had a Dell dock at work back in the day which had a PCI connector in it. Not PCIe, but PCI!
(It also had a slot for a CD drive that took the same module as Dell laptops of the time, I used a 3.5" floppy disk module. It even had a socket for a phone line and a built in modem, serial, SPDIF and VGA. It was pretty baller for the mid-2000's)
@@bastienx8there are docks that took GPUs, yes, and an eGPU can connect via thunderbolt and offer other ports too. It's a lot of effort, price, and proprietary engineering just to go from x4 lanes to x8 lanes.
Cool. I don't expect this to take off, but still cool.
I believe this is the same Khadas that makes the Khadas tone board. Interesting to see that they've pivoted to PCs!
I'm happy to see on board speakers. My Mac mini has a single mono speaker and while I wouldn't listen to music through that, it's super useful for a quick voice call or even light gaming if I'm too lazy to turn on my Bluetooth stereo speakers
that intro
I'd love to see this as a pocketable laptop ... Adding a touch screen would be huge
That epuld need even more power but a windows phone 2.0 accessory would have both.
Fun fact: the motorola moto mods actually use the standard and protocol that was originally developed for project ara. And there were even some attempts to adapt the protocol for easier (and more hot pluggable) home automation setups. Afaik it didn't really lead anywhere, but still cool to see that project ara actually was fairly far into development when it was canned.
The protocol is called greybus
Man would have loved to see the oculink actually used. That's the exact kind of stuff I was hoping would have come out of the whole break to reorganization and reorientation of the LMG.
So not truly modular just an item with add-ons using the term modular
Well, Thunderbolt is basically the same port, but smaller.
Is a PCIe Link to docks.
Yeah. Feels like they just reviewed a device with a proprietary docking station port. Laptops used to have this for years. Not sure what’s exciting about this.
the video literally said pcie gen 5 x8 (running as gen4 x8 rn). TB4 is way too little bandwidth for sth like a eGPU without significant bottlenecks. Also up to 200w vs 140w of Thunderbolt
@@EinTypOhneHandlethis is pcie gen 5 x8 vs pcie gen3x4 of Thunderbolt? Also 200w vs 140 of Thunderbolt
Thunderbolt has lower bandwidth and additional latency, plus some of the capabilities shown here aren't replicated with thunderbolt docks. I would argue that this solution is superior if you're using an eGPU, as I especially found it to be rather finicky on my TB3 laptop.
@@mcslender2965 laptop CPUs are nowhere near powerful enough to be bottlenecked by thunderbolt, and USB-C can do 240w with specific devices. The benefit is thunderbolt can be used with any thunderbolt dock, this abomination can ONLY be used with it's specific proprietary dock.
I like the idea of the tablet add-on, being able to jump to a windows tablet when needed would be clutch
I remember seeing an idea like this back in like '06 or '07. It was basically a horizontal stack of components laid out like books on a shelf. They connected to each other like single-peg legos in the middle of each 'book'. Seemed like an interesting idea at the time.
It would be easier to implement today with PCI-E being fast enough for everything that's not RAM, but you'd still end up with a core component that has 80% of a computer in it (APU, RAM, chipset).
"giving you time to save your work and shutdown safely" if you happen to have a monitor with a battery too, that is XD
My thoughts exactly
A battery-powered computer with a battery-powered monitor. Why hasn't anyone invented that yet? */s*
To be fair, I would imagine the power button, by default, is a quick tap to sleep. Failing that, a shortcut is fairly easy to set up.
Definitely a fair point... to me the appeal would be another version of this, the protection against loss of data/restart during short power failures. Its very rare for me to get hit with a power failure of any real duration, but I bet I get 6+ per year of like 5-30 second hits. That said, it wouldn't be enough to make me BUY it, but I did think it was neat. :)
Just plug your monitor into a UPS and pretend like the UPS doesn't already solve the problem that the Khadas is solving lol
Here is a project for you to try on your channel that I would love to see results of:
A PC case with an attached water coolant reservoir tank on one whole side and on the opposite side have a complete giant radiator.
Extensions could be used to for Motherboard back ports, if using the back for the water tank reservoir.
Would the Volume of water coolant keep the temperatures down to cooler levels?
What would the precipitation/condensation be like?
What temps could we see?
Could we connect multiple pumps from different ports on the same reservoir?
So many questions.
Then would using Aquarium items like an Aquarium chiller/cooler keep temps down (it is an aquarium water temp regulator to keep temps down for heat sensitive fish/marine life)?
Would using the bubble makers help with cooling as well?
Only suggestion would be to try and leave a small 1/2 inch space between tank and Component housing incase of water leak from Reservoir, the gap would we used to collect any leaking water to try and help prevent catastrophe.
This has been on my mind for years so would love to see you do a project, building your own aquarium is pretty easy, and with your connections, could see you getting some custom precision cuts for ports/valves pretty easy, you would then just need to build the case to go with it and find a good sized radiator to assist.
Edit: also would using etched copper pipes/tubes reduce the temps more?
I mean I can tell you a couple things.
1. Volume of water doesn't necessarily correlate to cooling power since the real determinant of cooling power is dissipation not storage. A large volume of water can store a lot of heat energy sure, but as the temperature increases your heat transfer from the computer components into the tank will reduce (temperature differential is what drives heat transfer so hotter "cold" side = less heat transfer from the "hot" side). If you have a large radiator then you can take care of the heat dissipation BUT that negates the purpose of the large tank of water.
2. As per 1. the volume of water does not govern the cooling temperature. The large volume of water would need to be cooled BELOW the temperature you want your components to run at, and since water is so good at holding heat energy you will be spending a LOT more money to cool it. The difference between boiling 1 cup of water vs 10 cups of water is pretty significant, you can test this for yourself. Same pot, same element, same temperature--which one will boil faster? That concept works in reverse. Less energy to cool less fluid. So the only thing a large reservoir will do is resist temperature changes longer, but it won't get colder.
3. Condensation is governed by the humidity of the room you are in and the temperature of the components, both of which result in a dew point where water condenses out of the air. If your PC was in a room with 0% humidity then there would be no condensation, but you'd also dry up like a prune so that would be uncomfortable (also practically impossible to reach 0% in such a large space).
4. Potential temperatures again are dependant on other factors, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to have your temps change slower with a huge reservoir. Only problem is that temperature is going to increase steadily as you game, requiring a large heat rejection mechanism. At that point you're just paying more for less performance.
5. You could have as many pumps as you want, but running multiple separate loops that return to the same reservoir will be constrained by the same temperature increase issues mentioned above.
6. Aquarium Chiller/cooler looks like it could work but at that point it becomes a question of how much heat removal power it has. There are other products for similar prices that'll probably do the trick for you better since those chillers looks like they're designed for ambient temp of a large tank, not handling the large heat additions of a 500W system. You'd need a chiller that can max out at the same amount of power your PC uses.
7. Bubble makers would ruin your performance. Air is an excellent heat insulator so diffusion a bunch of air into your cooling loop would create tiny air pockets lining the lines and blocks that would prevent water from touching the metal and conducting heat energy away from the components. You could induce a laminar vortex into your reservoir to ensure that the cold/hot water is mixing to diffuse heat energy better, but at that point it's like... see 1-6 above.
Some neat ideas there but the thermo doesn't really support it. Now if you had a centralized chiller unit that you could plug into with quick-disconnects then you could run chilled equipment throughout your house. That's getting into some wild territory though and I'm pretty sure Linus has done something like that.
If you still like the aquarium idea then do it but fill it with mineral oil and drop all the components in it. Lots of PCs like that these days
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I understand what you are saying.
The reason I am so interested in a PC case with an large/big attached reservoir is because I have my own water cooled PC and also like aquariums, and many times when it came to cleaning my aquariums (29 Gallon & 10 Gallon tanks), I would notice that the water was much much cooler on the bottom of the aquariums.
I do use bottom filter system that pulls water from the top and down and a little tube/pipe system releases the water back into the top of the tank, I have noticed that with a bottom filtration system that surface water (top layer water) is much much cooler than if it was still.
I do agree that the bubble jets could in fact be counteractive, but at the same time, if using a bottom filtration system, that pulls water down with bubbles that push water (and air) up, it would cause a churning current within the tank that could dissipate the extra heat within the water, as warmer water from the surface would be pulled down into the cooler bottom which would dissipate some heat and the current trying to push water and air up, could trap some heat and release it into the air part of the reservoir.
And depending on the aquarium cooler/chiller you use, you could do surface cooling which could cool any coolant returned to the reservoir, mid level chiller/cooler which cools from middle and below more, and bottle cooler/chiller which rest at the bottom of the tank to cool the bottom, and with the bottom filter system, would pull the cooled water down into the bottom and released on top.
If confused on what I mean by Bottom filter system, here is a cheap version of one: www.amazon.com/Penn-Plax-Undergravel-Filter-Aquarium/dp/B003UTNOU6/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1DO1T41XUQOT0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FngpvUXcQLBOyF-56OhPlhQPap5D310b1oSl-Rb2tpOnq25_zb7WvqYZjqK7XBU-yx2a1rb-tCxPtA0FWtcDZUEi4XSZiVqqWDwuUQf-H3ghHl9ZKolRn4tYpedha0D2TF64MvjsTjK4S1qo7zJK1TW1lVFJpqRhKCItnddYp3-TrHf57ZcVIhZ_LerF0WxBNCnBp3W7PrPhSPXpGdGPdvP-KBmF4m7h_GeIo6dCLNCx7APm2KPhZHh8oaB5-pEGvdPK0l93klRS_5V1jodj1lUNuZnHE37MdRkG_vPOJi8.h4BQtpjoJuwXQG8mXIGdHqhyN7KmkhFVaTyadlSdBNw&dib_tag=se&keywords=bottom%2Bfilter&qid=1711487956&sprefix=bottom%2Bfilter%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-3&th=1
With that type of filter to pull water below and other accessories including a Chiller or cooler, should keep the heat down, and with PC Radiators or any good radiator (Cause apparently car radiators can work according to LTT), the temps should be much cooler.
I still would love to see official results from a real live test though.
Thanks, for shedding some light 🕯️ on oculink egpu's. The idea to spread to more big channels like your's.
Khadas makes a very nice DAC board. Very high quality audio implementation, with expansion options.
HOLD ON!!! haven't comercial grade laptops had this for the past 20 years? My thinkpad t430 could just be dropped onto the dock and give me access to all my preiferals, then one button would alow me to undock and take my work home with me, and i never even had to sleep the machine.
More than 20 years ago - where I was working at my intern year in 1996, we had Toshiba laptops with docks that did exactly that. The high end docking stations basically turned the thing into a full desktop (think full-size PCI expansion, optical drive bay, additional hard drives etc).
Yepp. This thing is basically just a laptop without screen and keyboard. It has absolutely nothing in common with a modular pc, and the video just a long add that intentionaly tries to mislead in presentation.
PCMCIA based? Security nightmare that hopefully will not happen again
Yeah I really don't get the point of this. Thunderbolt 4 already does all of this, what? It gives slightly more bandwidth? Cool I guess.
All the inconvenience of having to buy multiple docks with none of the benefits of having an additional screen, keyboard and mouse with the parent machine.
And yes, I have a w500 and z61p that have a bottom docking connector that passes PCIe through to allow for a GPU in the dock.
I remember Project Ara. I was actually so excited for the future of mobile phones. I was really devastated when it was killed. Now I use the Galaxy Fold with a reignited excitement for the future of tech.
I hope this takes off and we see more of stuff like this
I think this is esecially a cool think for companys when it comes to desk sharing and other shit like that, so you have standardized workstations with one type of doc and every employee have a computer, so when you need to work on a normal pc you go to a desk with a normal doc, if you need a graphics card for editing you go to another doc etc., and for meetings you can grap your pc put in on the doc in the meeting room and boom you can work there with your oown pc.
It scares me when Linus took out a galaxy note 9 in 2024 and also calling it "His Phone"
He is secretly upgrading note 9’s internal components and makes a super phone out of it.
supper phone?@@TanibImtiaz
@@Nderak Note 9 with roasted garlic is fire!
@@JanTheLitterboxAnd butter, don’t forget the butter.
I personally dont have a use for this, but i could see how it would be extremely useful in some cases. This really is an amazing piece of tech and i hope it continues to progress
I love this idea, now we need to do an Open Standard version of this.
This could be really cool for schools or workplaces that deal with having laptops or tablets
Having pocket sized workstations could be handy
For sure, they would also be easier to steal. Depending on the country, they would have to hard dock 'em.
I love the hypothetical use of this. Think of how many companies out there buy employee laptops only for them to sit on a desk in a cubicle for 3 years rarely ever opening the screen. Only problem is you're hoping that docking standard is widely adopted amongst all the major brands and we know that just isn't going to happen.
Same, it's a great concept. A lot more people are working from home more often. Personally, if I could take a much smaller box between home and work, knowing I have decent screens in both locations, I'd be all for it. Not everything I work on can be kept in the cloud, no matter the internet connectivity, so local storage and a GPU is still a necessity.
Maybe now, most people have a decent setup at home, but also, maybe they just use their laptop screens. WFH support from some companies has been really bad, with people having to pay for their own screens, etc (or, indeed, not buying them).
USB stick PCs exist already
Cool, then the company also has to buy a dock, monitors, keyboard and mouse if they want to use it at home, instead of just taking a laptop home. If you don't need a monitor, keyboard, mouse and just want something portable, just use a NUC
@@charlesturner897 So you're saying this entire modular PC design is DOA because miniPC's exist?
But tell me, what does this do that the laptop can't do?
A docking station port. How exciting.
that laptop/ tablet Idea sounds good . I Frequently go from a docked laptop at a desk that has 2 desktop monitors (so dont use the laptop display ) to the warehouse with the laptop. having a laptop on the desk with a keyboard mouse and 2 monitors is tight on space but a small docked unit and a drawer with a little touch screen on standby with not need to reboot as it has the battery sounds like a good idea to me
good to see khadas getting some wider attention. i've got 3 of their sbc's (edge 2 pro, vim3 pro, and vim4, and they're quality!
How are you going to save your work during a power cut if the power to your monitor is gone too..?
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This makes me so excited for the future of computers! The Khadas workstation seems to have made some smart moves with their approach to modularity. Despite the price point, the convenience and functionality seem exceptional.
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@@cowmilkbiz ahaha, lol it's true ))) I was going to ask about why is it revolutionary, if hardware is slower than in laptops? What problem do they solve NOW, not 10 years earlier
Out of my budget but I could see it being a great system for my work for till computers when we take them to events or are doing dispatching / stock takes. Rather than have multiple pc that are used a couple of times
I was so excited for Project Ara back in the day.
And each year I miss it more and more.
It gets harder and harder to get phones with features I actually need, like MicroSD storage and a headphone jack.
Bring bearded Linus back, I miss him
Agreed
PCs are already modular. Don't let manufacturers come up with these overdesigned "modules" that will cost extra, give you less control and be under their licensing.
These are add ones not modules
@@qazhr The name is literally "Khadas Mind Modular PC" and you're trying to pretend like the usage of the word somehow invalidates my comment
isn't that the issue with the current PC hard ware space overall? Overdesigned over priced hardware, with their licensing with lessening user control? Looking at you Nvidia
I saw this as an ad a while back. I like the concept, I hope they don’t end it prematurely. The tablet idea is neat, especially if it comes with a keyboard attachment so it can turn into a Surface-like device. I also hope to see eGPU enclosures where we can plug in any GPU we want (or really any PCIe device) instead of being limited to mobile GPUs like the XG Mobile.
This looks like a viable thing for me to use in my trucking company
Currently, I use iPad Pro in my trucks, but when it comes to security and file transfer between PCs and Apple, I have lots of issues, especially with back compatibility
2:16 - Why monitor is still on if there is a power outage?
Yeah they'd need a UPS for that, which defeats the purpose as then you wouldn't need the battery in the device itself. But it could still be helpful by keeping your stuff saved until the power comes back
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That's impressive, I love sff pcs and I could totally see myself getting one of those, once it has better gaming performance. Doesn't have to be great but 1080p at 60fps in single player. Totally gonna get one.
Also, great vid in-between all the other stuff released. So sick of cpu and gpu stuff lately this was a nice change of pace.
Everyone seems to ignore the ICL DRS 300 series of modular computer that could run Unix (DRS/NX) or Concurrent DOS. I used them back in 1990. SCSI bus cables along the back, connecting CPU, tape, disc, power and other modules.
Yooo this is exactly the form factor I'm hoping for since years!!!
I'm tired of having to bring large and heavy laptop with my when I dont care about bad screen/keyboard on the go...
I hope this trend will continu
I just dont get the whole modular talk about it, that literally just a laptop without keyboard/screen and a way better dock interface than thunderbolt
Micro PCs have been around for a long time... look a NUCs for example?
@@ABaumstumpf Portable =/= small...
Form aside, as nuc are often cube that would hardly fit in a computer bag, but some mini pc are more flat, did you even think for a moment about using a nuc as anything portable before commenting?
Mini pc do not have battery and almost always use external power brick... Just that make is enough to kill the idea
But they also got, at best, only thunderbolt for docking (and if you saw the video above you know why the custom dock port is a huge deal). And they wont support charge through it anyway.
And how would you use it on the go? with an USB in the bag??
@@Damian-rp2iv "as nuc are often"
Yeah if YOU choose to get a larger model than that is just your fault.
"did you even think for a moment about using a nuc as anything portable before commenting?"
did you? Clearly not - judging by your previous statement devoid of reason.
"And how would you use it on the go? "
Good question - how would you use this box here on the go? Did you even watch the video? Cause they clearly stated, in a way even gradeschoolers would be able to understand, that you can Not use this as a mobile device.
So we are nto just back to square one, your comments are so wrong you are going backwards.
@@ABaumstumpf or those tiny optiplexes
@@ABaumstumpf oh sry, I did not get you was either trolling or acting dumb for some reason... Wont waste more time, have a good day
(If anyone else read that and genuinely wonder the same questions I would suggest a quick look at 5:15 at to read, carefully, what I've wrote)
Literally just buy an ASUS ROG ALLY Z1 EXTREME. It has better processor with better iGPU with battery and screen and everything else for several hundred dollars cheaper, and works exactly in the same way if you buy a cheap dock
Literally just don't use the word literally.
"Just buy an ASUS ROG ALLY Z1 EXTREME."
Same sentence, except doesn't make u sound like a 3 year old who learnt a new word.
@@verakoo6187literally literally literally
She was literally correct, what are you literally complaining about? @@verakoo6187
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Linus: Temperature is at the high side
Alex: Let's water cool it
I would love to see this product revisited later down the road when it's a little bit more developed with a full product review
So basically it's a bad laptop
So they basically made a more flimsy usb-c dock. Also, why have a portable mini-pc? Have they ever heard of a laptop?
This connector really needs to be open for use. It would be so cool to one day have a phone that you can connect with something like this into a Laptop, Studio or Tablet dock. There are plenty of phones taht would be powerful enough to have all your work with you everywhere without relying on cloud storage.
yeah apple about how their lightning port is in spec of usb 2.0 and khadas the same of their connector being a proprietary variant of an open standard
I had a few khadas sbcs which in comparison to a pi can hold up pretty easily imo. Seeing this excites me, it gives a hella clean look and is capable of every normal every day office task
big machines are like big cars.. who loves a small one..
Fbi gonna shut that down before it sees the light of day
Shut what down?
What and why lol
I'm so lost
Make the module a tablet and the dock a server, and you’ve got my interest.
I see projectAra and I cry. Every single time. What an amazing concept, even if it would've been expensive and middle of the road. I would've been riding that train all the way into the ground.
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Full modular systems existed - they could even run Windows, but the default OS was CTOS (Convergent Technologies Operating System). Maybe you should check the Convergent(Burroughs/Unisys) B25 series from the end of the 80's. It was a system based on 80x86 Intel type CPU's and compatible and as far as I know the US Coast Guard had a big amount of them running because of the stability and easy to upgrade and config system. The computer were the size of a shoe box and every extension was just another shoe box you attached to the side up to a length of about 60 inches. And making a network was just attaching another B25 via cable. Standard was a 9pin serial connection via RS-485 to connect up to 16 stations. For more you had to use TokenRing or Ethernet. But every station with a Token Ring or 10 Base-T Ethernet module could support another 15 workstations. Sadly CTOS was discontinued in 1996.
Fascinating was that a system that old was more secure than Windows PC's today. Without an UPS you could have an power outage and would only loose at max 100 characters - the content of the keyboard buffer. No need to shut down the system in a secure manner - accidently unplugging the power and you just lost 100 chars. The system was used for telephone systems, hotels, finance areas (stock market, bank), government offices, studios, offices etc. The system problem was only the price - Intel based PC's and Apple at that time were cheaper.
genuinely mind blown at the hotplug during cyberpunk, windows is temperamental with GOOD hardware, this is probably the most exciting hardware I've seen in a long time designed for a windows operating system
loved moto mods, my mom and i both got the phones that could use them and would swap mods every day
I need this plus a solid state battery addon for on-the-go work with XRreal 2 AR glasses or vision pro.
That was a fun watch! Reminded me of the old LTT!!
Missed a chance to put in "open your mind" reference.. i thought surely the end bit will have it.. but oh well.
its such a great vid though..
i still have my moto z play to this day with the speaker mod its great for playing music without dragging around a bluetooth speaker and then the battery bank to keep it charged. i loved this concept and im sad that it didnt continue to the new motos
It reminds me a bit of the InFocus Kangaroo. I kept one dock in my office and another at home. I could carry the main PC in my pocket during my commute. I really loved it and was disappointed that the form factor seemed to disappear.
Super neat idea, guess I'll be waiting to see where it goes, like all the previous attempts from other brands.
This has legit been on my mind for years, was always so sad it went radio silent