my 4080 is not on a single problem ? what the heck u talking about . my 4080 is awesome never got an issue or problem, just get a decent pc with a 4080 or 4090 !!! 3070 or even a 4070ti is trash . just spend 120 $ more and get alot more performance!!@@Pwnopolis.... and compared to the 4070ti i got 100 fps more with the 4080 ... if thats "minor improvements" u shoud play with rocks instead
Few years back, I got a colleague from supply chain complaining about her PC being too slow, she "needed a new one". I tried it, it was indeed very slow, I added a bit of RAM that I had laying around: better, but still slow. I removed one of her theming software: it was already back to usable. Next I changed the HDD for a SSD and re-install a fresh Windows. She genuinely thought she got a new PC... A proper software management is as important as having the latest hardware.
I can confirm that fresh windows reinstall can feel like a brand-new PC if coupled with upgrade to SSD. Especially if you finally get rid of your 10yo Win7 install.
@@zbigniew2628 It's true the SSD probably did most of the work, but software management is absolutely NOT a nuance. I just recently "cleaned" a relative's PC. No reinstall, just uninstalling and disabling things that weren't needed or used. Before my tweaks, it had a 15 minute boot time. You could hit the desktop in 2 minutes, but the disk activity would stay locked to 100% usage LONG after. Once I had my way with it, the boot time was under 5 minutes, with 0 hardware changes. Even OP mentions the system became significantly more responsive after simply removing a single program. Software bloat makes a huge difference.
Sure, but sometimes you do actually need new hardware. My old job absolutely refused to do upgrades, they repeatedly gaslit us that our constant issues with RAM/slow hard drives was because we weren't rebooting often enough. I mean, yeah, rebooting does close Chrome so yeah, you'll have more ram available then.... but you also can't do your job! This all was despite me being far more qualified than the IT person (who was the son of the founder)
@@Madwonk Software bloat over time inside programs itself is also a thing and no one denies it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything related to browsing web with Chrome, since not only are webpages themselves very bloated (mostly due to overreliance on libraries, frameworks and abstraction) but Google is also to blame (why is it it's Messages app on Android is 10x as big as FOSS alternative that has 99% functionality - GoLang was created by Google for dumb programmers that couldn't understand C and that shall tell you enough about modern programming standards). If you do your job on a software that doesn't have to be updated constantly and doesn't rely on web browsing, you will be fine semi-forever. For example, editing just 1080p will always be editing just 1080p - there's really nothing to hamper efficiency as time goes on except for natural wearing out of hardware.
My work got rid of all their Optiplex 7010s... Took almost 10 minutes for them to boot up previously. I got ahold of one, increased the ram to 16GB, cleaned up the machine, new thermal paste, switched to an SSD, and added a wireless card and an RX6400.... Runs like a beast now... All in less than $200.
even with a TPM v2, modern win 11 doesn't like anything less than 8th gen intel and 2nd gen Ryzen. While there may be workarounds, who knows for how long those will work. For what ever reason, MS is really trying to do away with older machines. But 8th or 9th gens are still quite good. But dell has a tendency to way under spec their PCI lane counts and RAM amounts... also their PSUs. I run an old 8th gen i5 for my media computer but my x16 slot still only has 4 lanes going to it. And I wanted a display at 4k which meant I needed a discrete gpu so that kinda stinks as that makes 4k videos chug sometimes but its not too frequently.
With MDT you get around most of the restrictions. Most of computers at the school district I work at have 6th or 7th gen processors and nearly all of them are on 11 and they run fine. When working with a limited budget you got to keep them working.
At my old workplace, where I ended up building a load of the PCs, we generally just did round-robin upgrades. Those who needed more powerful systems got the newest stuff; their old system would then be given to those who needed a slightly lower power system, then THEIR machines went to the next tier... etc etc. Everyone got an upgrade, everyone was happy, and we minimised costs and downtime - the downward steps could be offset by some time so support/issues didn't gum up the works. Anything left at the end of the line, we generally destroyed the HDD and gave the rest to local groups who then recycled them/provided them to those who might need a PC but didn't have the resources - generally poorer families with kids in primary school, or pensioners who were being supported by local groups to get online. Old machines don't need to die, they just need to move down the line to where they fit best.
Until mum bought a new PC from a store a couple of years ago, they would just get my old tower whenever I built a new one. Admittedly, I hadn't built one in nearly a decade at that point, but we just cycled the hardware down through the family for years. I was the tech nerd always buying the new fancy thing, so I'd pass down whatever I was replacing to parent or sibling, whoever needed it more. Definitely a valid system.
Except when it’s a Mac and Apple has decided to ditch support for an otherwise perfectly functional daily computer. Seriously they should be fined for willful creation of e-waste.
@markmuir7338 funnily enough though, current macos has older devices fully supported than Windows 11 in some cases. (It is the same for Intel CPUs, and better than and cpus) For reference, apple supports macs with software updates in most cases for 7 years.
@@varno you can run windows 10 on things from 2010 and it can run any modern software fine so even if it is not supported it's fine unlike apple 7 years = anything prior to 2016 can't run latest software versions.
@@firasrabaiaI mean, true, but you can run most macos software on os10.15 catalina, which supports all machines back to 2012, it just doesn't get security releases. Monterey is still gets security releases, and that runs on 2015 mac laptops, and even some 2013 mac desktops. You can't compare Windows 7 to Windows 11 and not give the same favours to macos. It is not quite as good historically, but 7 years of full upgrade support and 10 years of security updates is still pretty good.
I'm a sysadmin at a small company and we just replaced our Lenovos E73 with i5 4th gen with Dells 7010 with i5 13500. Most of the users didn't notice any big difference and if the PSUs weren't starting to fail we could have easily kept the another two years without major issues. As a company, we use prebuilt PCs because of the readiness of driver packs for deployment, 5 years warranty and on-site hardware support, the ability to deploy driver updates with a dedicated tool and to avoid building 100 PCs from scratch. We're just two IT guys for 150 employees.
@@Gregorius_ for large companies it is still much easier to go with desktops because it's more serviceable on site. Just like this video is trying to convey, not everyone needs a laptop.
I feel like most of the weird bugs people encountered were because they moved the drives from their current systems into the older ones. Windows doesn't exactly like having conflicting drivers installed. And I know that windows has the sysprep /generalize tool but in my experience from creating windows images, your image source machine should match the target hardware as close as possible. That's why in order to minimize the number of images they have to maintain, many companies only offer 3-4 system choices overall.
This is a very valid point and I have experiences with this as well. Just throwing your drive from one system to the next can cause some weird behaviour. A lot of those small quirks they mentioned were very likely caused by exactly this. Monitor glitches, login bugs, extensions not working? Classic examples of the kind of weird issues you would get if you migrated a drive from a completely different system. These issues are also 10 times more common if you migrate from an AMD system to Intel or vice versa.
Honestly i've been working in IT for schools and Councils in the UK for 7 years and a lot of them are still running 6th gen I5/7. For basic office tasks, teams meetings and spreadsheets they are perfect. The internal networks and domains are the bottleneck most of the time. Dells warranty is brilliant as well. Log a support ticket and a guy is waiting at the office doors the next morning with all the parts to repair the PC. You cannot fault that.
You can fault it when the service technicians are hired without a vetting process (contract company) and their KnowledgeBase is significantly worse than your own I.T, Albeit thats not a problem everyone has but it sure is a problem we had.
@@Steamrick yeah that does suck. The current council I’m working for are rolling out Surface laptops out. It’s a long process replacing 10k machines. Microsoft’s support isn’t great in comparison. Their definition of repairing a laptop is just replacing it.
I work IT for hospitals, we tend to rotate systems roughly every 5 years. For the most part, as long as the system has an SSD (even a cheaper one), the older 4-5 year systems still work just fine for 90% of tasks; most of them with 8gb of RAM. For "power users" like accountants who have multiple excel sheets open, these same systems with 16gb of RAM work well too. Most of our "heavy" applications like EMR apps are cloud based and we see more hardware usage from Microsoft Edge.
As a person who has had to be in hospitals more than i would like to admit i wish there wasn't anything hooked to the cloud in the network. I can see why "heavy applications" can basically require you to have a server cabinet per building that provides the medical service just to hold in digital form the medical data of everyone who goes to the hospital. Sharing between building would be harder too. For the system that the majority of them use yeah sounds about right for what the 3 hospital systems i have gone to use. Well that and a specialized one for nurses whose job is to go around and give the correct medicine to the correct human.
8GB of RAM in a commercial setting is horrible. If you're running commercial AV with lots of logging it can easily take up 4GB of ram which means after windows takes 2GB you have 2GB of RAM for whatever you're doing (probably using something running on chromium) which just isn't enough. Anything with less than 16GB now is useless for these business settings unless you have some niche task that can cope with only 2GB of RAM available. The only way to get away with 8GB is to make users suffer with the page file being hit constantly or to not have proper security and monitoring settings.
@@jaysoncowan5763. Many of the old business machines can have some random faults that only pop up through daily drive. Had a family member go through the same thing.
@@jubjub727 Really asides for the video editors the majority of them could be put on raspberry pi 5s as thin client for a local to the network hosted VM server for their machines. Yeah an new job would be needed for when unique to virtual machines problems arise but with how big they have gotten it will most likely be someone who know what keywords to put into google to get the correct answer quicker than their correct IT guy does. Well for the video editing machines have a 4090 or 3090ti in the direct hardware they are working on is basically a need for their job position. For some jobs running on the local hardware of a raspberry pi 5 is probably better than a virtual machine. Why the pi5 and not a mini computer? Just lower power consumption for the same performance. If the IT guy has a good mind he can probably find a lower or similar power consumption (+/- 30 Watts of power draw from the wall) x86 based machine with the same performance in what they need it to be.
I buy and refurb these exact type of computers to allow new not-for-profits to not have to worry about the usually high price of computers. They have their place.
It sounds like they just popped the SSD into the older machine without doing anything else. If they really wanted the experience to be that seamless, they should have used something like DISM to make an image of their installations that isn't tied to the hardware or drivers.
I used to work alongside video editors, and I'm surprised to hear that everyone at LTT including the writers are working with the full resolution 4K footage. We used to have almost everyone working with lower resolution proxy footage, it was easier on the machines and the network, and at the end of the process there was some software special sauce which applied the same edit decisions to the full resolution footage too. I can only assume that the issues described here with scrubbing through footage would have been helped by using lower res proxy video!
Yeah I've wondered about that before. Most production companies I've seen use macs to edit video, and not even new macs, unless they shoot in low resolution they just use proxy footage and the not super fast computers handle it just fine. No need for crazy powerful PCs or fiber connections, LTT's setup seems so overkill
So basically the edit decisions are generating a batch job to later apply with hardware with more grunt. I'm not a videographer, so that strikes me as extreme cleverness.
@@christopheroliver148 It's not very clever, it's like 3 clicks in any competent video software lol. I have no idea why LTT insists on editing native footage.
@@user9267 They edit on 4k raw because they're nerds who enjoy the excess and can afford to do it. They are 100% aware of the ability to edit on a lower resolution, it's an active choice not to. Same reason they film on 4k and 8k cinema cameras that cost as much as a car, to upload to UA-cam. Or own their own video streaming service with a higher bitrate than anyone else. They can do it, so they will. It also gives them a practical upper bound for stress tests of high end hardware and networking, which is "fun" when they do networking adventures.
@@christopheroliver148 I would say the initial concept was absolutely a clever idea, yeah! From other comments it sounds like this idea is widely implemented in various software now. But yeah my understanding is that working on the proxy footage generates an "edit decisions list" and when the full quality version needs to be rendered, that edit decisions list tells a rendering system somewhere exactly what it needs to do
While i have a high end PC at home, i used a 10 year old i7 laptop at worked for 2 years and it was completely fine. Granted most of the work was Excel spreadsheets and SAP.
We use a teired hardware model at work. For our general purpose shop floor machines we use machines that are 4 to 7 years old. Office users get 1 to 4 year old PCs and our power users get the latest and greatest. Helps us to not constantly be spending money on the newest stuff and it means gear that is already paid for and is still usable can keep working for us.
At one of my previous employers. They had several pre build specs for pc's and laptops that managers could order. Something like Office > Engineer > Developer spec. All pc's came in pre-build and we swapped them if something was wrong. A person from our supplier would come by to repair pc's/laptops. If a department needed something special they needed to put in a special request.
E-waste was interesting as we would routinely take out memory and video cards and CPUs from developer machines for spare parts. The sheer amount of 5th and 6th gen CPUs just tossed out as old garbage was astounding. Nice I7s as well. Old Radeon 500 series cards. Nice Crucial Ballistix memory. Developers and C-level employees got all of the goodies and e-waste was a goldmine to keep the older stuff upgraded and running. We also had at least 5-10 spare of everything including power supplies, just in case. All the e-waste companies usually got was a case with a board in it and some misc cables and so on. :)
Question: did you just move the system drive 2:40 and boot from the old windows installation or did you re-install? Because no re-install would explain quite some of the issues you ran into.
At my last job (July 2019 to January 2024) as an embedded software developer, I was given a hand-me-down Dell Optiplex 790 from 2011 with an i5-2400 CPU and an ATI(!) Radeon 5450 GPU. One of the PC's previous users upgraded the RAM, and I doubled the number of GPUs so I could add a 3rd monitor. The computer was perfectly fine for me for 3.5 years. It only became a problem during my last year there because I started working on multiple projects at the same time and thus had an excessive number of things open. Both RAM and CPU became bottlenecks at that point.
We still use Optiplex 5050s with 6th gen I5’s in my office. About 6 months ago a couple of us went through and put new (budget) SSDs and at LEAST 16GB of RAM in each of the 80 towers we have, and they work fantastic for our needs (chrome,office,slack,zoom). All that with triple monitors too.
Exactly this! OK, not talking high-end gaming or CAD here, but even just this week I "fixed" an ASUS laptop for a friend that was desperate need of some TLC because it was "so slow and buggy". I turned up at his place armed with a cheap'n'cheerful 512GB WD Blue SSD and 8GB RAM, downloaded a copy of DIsk Genius, and cloned his drive. Swapped the drives over and fitted the new 8GB to the spare slot (16GB total now), and what do you know...? "Wow! It's faster than when it was new!" I'm amazed people still have OS's on spinning HDD's, but even more surprised how "new" his ASUS laptop was that was shipped with one too! I can understand "old" business machines with them though, and how popular you and your colleague wound've been fixing all those company PCs!
@@MrMairu555 haha, you are so right, swapping HDDs to SSDs is actually night and day difference. Only issue we’re having is the I5-6500 is not compatible with Win11, so we may have software support issues in the next year or 2.
@@RaceDude57do you actually need to run windows enterprise software on them? if not, just edit the win install files to disable the shitty support module requirement and distribute the roms via boot on lan.
@@tarkitarker0815 I’ll have to give that a look. We do need Win Pro to log in with our Azure accounts, but no enterprise stuff. Our whole company is pretty much web based besides accounting and other departments using the adobe suite. I’ll have to give that a try. Maybe I can make a bootable usb with modified files and run through all the PCs with that.
Hardware doesn't need to be the latest and greatest to be functional and useful. As tech advances, it certainly does pay to recycle and repurpose older devices whenever possible.
i use a 1st gen i7 and an asus GT 430 as my 3d printer slicer machine. runs just fine! i even use it for remapping damaged hard drives for clients and friends who need repairs
Especially since tech seems to "progress" sideways nowadays. For day to day stuff, performance hasn't gotten noticeably better in the past three AMD cpu generations. Yes, you can see it when you play games and run databases with lots of data throughput and what not, but for just day to day ops like browsing, watching videos, office work and light simulations, the performance is plentiful. Same for intel chips, although I wouldn't buy them for two reasons - Intel has some scumbag CEOs and I don't want to support his snobby nonsense and on top of that, their processors are not as power efficient. I can't agree with that paradigm, especially when they have no problem asking for a hefty amount of gold for those parts.
I used a 4th gen core i7 and gtx 1070 up until the middle of 2023. Still can run a surprising amount of current releases as long as it's low settings with some upscaling.
No need to upgrade hardware for Windows 11. 5% better speed via Proton. $600 saved. And, yes, this is my main PC. No worries - rip that band aid off now. 2024 is not 2014 and Linux has come a long way.
@@josephoberlander"linux has come a long way" yeah but you still have to cope with the shell to install some shit, you have weird installation files that need you to do more than clicking next and you cant access your file browser as easy. its REALLY not worth it for companies, and i doubt anyone that isnt enthusiast about it, also i doubt proton gives more performance, its a TRANSLATION layer.
@@tarkitarker0815 My last install was literally half as painful, a quarter as involved, and twice as fast as Apple. I went from an image to formatted, installed, drivers updated, a reboot, and packages downloading in under 10 minutes. IF you get the right distro, it really can be idiot-proof easy, especially if you have an AMD based video card.
@@josephoberlanderdude ive tried mint and ive tried ubuntu, ubuntu is way more hassle, but even with mint idfk what to do with the shell enviourment, and i used the internet to get a hang of it, most linux sites are actually extremely arrogant in their way of explaining "yeah just type XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX into the shell to get the installation package for the amd drivers, now direct to folder xxxxxx and then enable xxxx in the gui, problem is they dont make it clear how to get there, there are no easy access buttons like in windows and the gui of said community driver is not telling me where to activate shit, instead i should click through 10 sites of gui, but thats not even where it starts. to get most advanced shit you can do quite easy in windows if you are well versed with it you need to install 10+ files and know the ins and outs which makes a 1 minute task take 30 minutes. linux aint the way for the public.....
@@josephoberlander"as apple" dude no one is taking apple as a standard for anything. if you do that its your own fault.i get the feeling you just try to work on linux and apple, but the majority of ppl that use pc´s at home do NOT work on them. they want them to browse, watch videos and play a game without installing 20 extra pieces. do not compare apples to oranges.
I really appreciate your channel making this video, and I hope you periodically shine a light on this perspective in the future. If I have one critique, it's that all the "test subjects" are from the writing team. The video does a great job explaining why video editors & CAD/designers were excluded, but what about the other departments? Are the other departments already using brand-name prebuilts? What about Sarah (or someone from her team), or the labs? (seeing as this might have been a great cost saving measure for an expansion with multiple workstations)
Well Sarah is presumably running Photoshop and illustrator where cpu speed is still important, labs would be compiling, crunching large spreadsheets and who knows what else. Presumably they also wanted to stick with fairly technical users who don't do heavy processing on their machines which is pretty clearly the writing team. Also it's one member of the writing team coordinating this video so they probably just asked the people who sit around them
I work in a professional CAD (primarily Solidworks) environment with older (admittedly workstation class) DELL hardware. I call BS on the majority of calls for the lastest hardware being needed. I still use a Quadro P4000 for example, and it's more than capable of running my software. I'm limited more by other inept co-workers than I am by my hardware!
"...As recent as 6th gen" A lot of companies have 3/5 year replacement cycles. At the company that I work for, we're now cycling out 10th gen laptops and starting to cycle 8th gen desktops (we've just completed our 7th gen desktop decommision)
work is 5 years, and most people are not due for an upgrade quite yet, when the covid hit everyone got a laptop and desktops are only for those that actually need extra power the high end laptops can't provide
@@bland9876 there are rumors that the the next major version of windows(commonly referred to in the rumor mill as 12) will require an NPU and 40 TOPs performance of unknown criteria and 16gb minimum ram presumably for the AI features.
Not mentioned in this video: Many companies are constantly replacing their machines every few years or so because they are LEASED and not PURCHASED. If a computer is leased, it is a regular, expected, expense. It isn't the company's problem to properly dispose of the machine at the end of its life. It isn't the company's problem to repair it if/when the hardware breaks (that is the manufacturer's issue). And, all of this... is exceptionally important... as many companies are moving to "all staff get a laptop" for "capability to work remote (whether the employee wants it... or the employer requires it)". Yes, many small businesses could easily buy 3 "grade A" refurbished machines for their one or two "office workers". Why 3? One or two for use, and another when a bug in one of those forces a machine hot swap. Gamers usually cannot get good prices on these, though, due to inadequate PSUs, proprietary wiring / case designs, etc. Luckily for many, though, the "SFF living room PC" (for many) is now easily replaceable with direct plug in to HDMI / DP port stick PCs with built-in wired networking/WiFi. Want to play steam games? Steam deck (and allow your gaming PC to do the heavy lifting). Companies lease low-end quality, minimal cost, machines. Manufacturers make them, and make a hefty profit. First party manufacturers (Intel, AMD) get a place to sell their low-end quality dies (lowest end CPUs) instead of everyone demanding mid to high end. And, in the end, recyclers ... and landfills... get the waste.
exactly. We at work have mac pro 7.1 leased and I actually got to buy a 28-core 512gb RAM version at the end of the lease plan for less than 2k $. (Lease plans are usually 2~5 years, ours was 5, now the whole company uses mac studios on an another 5-year plan.)
At this moment I’m still rocking an Intel Core I5-3570K with 16 GB RAM and windows 10. I had this machine built in November of 2012 so it’s basically as old as my daughter. I think recently I’ve been hearing some squeaky noises from the PSU but apart from that, it runs well enough. I’m blind, so am using onboard graphics, but I will need a GPU in my next machine, as I’ve started doing a lot of stuff with local LLM’s and music tools like Demucs which my current machine can’t handle. It does surprise me that `I can do anything with any level of speed here though. It’s not blazing fast obviously, but it’s not slow enough that I feel like I’m waiting around for hundreds of years to just open a Chrome tab, or perform an edit in Sound Forge, which is my two-track audio editor of choice. I don’t know when CPU’s stopped becoming mega slow after a year or two, because I’m pretty sure that you couldn’t/wouldn’t use a 2002 CPU in 2012, but a 2012 CPU in 2024 still runs fine. Definitely got my money’s worth from this box. Grateful for that.
Most companies are moving or have already moved away from desktops and moving to laptops with docking stations. Like you said laptops can run 99% of what is needed and if you need more power a desktop is ordered
There used to be a price differential that made desktops preferable, but it's just not there anymore. Used to be that in order to get good performance, reliability and durability, you'd go Lenovo T-series, HP EliteBook or similar class computers, but with the latest gen you get just about the same performance with a Lenovo E14 Gen5 as you do with a T14 Gen4 (the 2023 gen business laptops). Used to be you would sacrifice a lot when it came to materials and builds with the E-series vs T-series but on the latest gen you're just giving up some corporate nice-to-haves. That suddenly lets you bulk buy laptops at a rate not too far off a similar Intel NUC, Lenovo Tiny or other 1L-formfactor computers. With USB C/Thunderbolt docking stations or monitors with built-in docks, you're good. Yes, those add extra cost, but can be re-used for at least a couple of cycles.
We use NUC's... I now feel a substantial hatred towards those... They manage to be absurdly loud whilst overheating anf all of that without delivering any power at all.
Laptops, Thin Clients, or a combination thereof in my experience. With homeoffice having gotten much more prominent in the past couple years, I've seen laptop adoption go way up.
@@Steamrick the place i work at a put in the suggestion to use raspberry pies because one are we have 20 machines but all they do is scan bar codes and log people time for piece rate, even though they use those small dell towers but it's all basically server based now
I mean there is a reason schools and large businesses standardize their equipment. One companies like Lenovo offer better warranty on their business class items. Especially if purchased not via normal retail. It makes it easier to manage and replace a device if it does crap out as well if you buy devices with removable storage as then you can just swap machines out and move hard drives and have the user up in a matter of minutes. I led a school roll out of Lenovo desktops for a district and it was like 1400 machines. Before delivering them they had us setup the bios with boot order for things like boot from network most other methods really locked down and with a password they provided. Once delivered we setup them up hit the power button and they pushed out custom school district images to each pc as it booted over the network adapter. It also lets them wipe any remotely as well. Pretty handy in some circumstances.
I'm using one as my main media player (streaming, stored videos, music, etc). It's a 3rd generation i7-4790 than can IN FACT play the newest games... IF it's it got a beefier display card in it. I put in a simple 1060, which is more than enough for just playing media. Got it refurbished from Amazon and I tweaked it to my needs and put it in a nicer case. I tweaked the GUI to resemble more like a smart TV app and programmed macros to use it with a PC remote control so it auto opens webpages and auto full screen without having to manually glide around with a mouse cursor.
I helped my dad build a low budget pc for him to run ms flight sim, i7-4790, 32gb ddr3, rx 6600 - Runs 4k on high totally playable (given that a sim is not a fast paced game, so 18-20 fps goes fine) Also *manages* to run the sim on VR at 1.1x quest 2
For a tech media company, there's value add to have custom computers for most employees as a part of the company culture, it builds the vibe that computers are more than just the hardware specs.
Are we certain that putting drives from new computers wasnt the issue? In my humble experience windows drives put into different systems tends to shit itself.
See I have had zero issues doing that. My current OS install has been through multiple upgrades. It started as Windows 7 on a Q6600 followed by an i5 3570k. It was then upgraded to Windows 10 and shortly after cloned to an NVMe on a Z97 board. Then it got upgraded to an AM4 X570 with a 3700x and now it's in the same system with a 5800x. I've amazingly had no problems and still boots in seconds. That said, I do run maintenance on the registry from time to time and I have also removed all traces of previous drivers (including force unhiding everything in device manager to purge old entries). The main reason I imagine that the old systems were that bad is I bet they have a LOT of background processes/apps purely because they can do so on their modern systems without noticing it.
@@AndyMitchellUK26The glitching what bothered me mostly, tipical driver issues. I experienced exactly this when I tried to save the data from an old pc.
Do you think directly installing the SSDs from the fast PCs to the older ones contributed to the glitchiness? I have a suspicion that windows was a little confused at times, which led to installed drivers misbehaving.
Ya they needed to do the driver uninstall install thing. Linus never mentioned doing it so I'm guessing they didn't since it's important enough I think they would have mentioned it if they did it.
My company actually started having me build the machines we use (we’re a very small company personnel-wise so we can get away with that) and legit one of the first things I do is evals on what the tasks are that are going to be accomplished by each machine, and then spec the machine to be excellent for that task set for a duration of a minimum of 5-years, and can be stretched for 10 in case we find ourselves in a financial pickle at upgrade time. We save money from pre-builds but only because my time would be used for similar amounts going through the process to purchase and validate machines, but if you don’t have a me at your office, modest spec’d pre-builds are literally just fine to get work done.
ok. Those "bugs" could have been related to the fact that you just moved the SSD to the other machine and not a fresh install. Also, Some of those could be related to GPU issues. I think some 8-9 gen CPU machines would be ideal for office stuff, with a drop in 1650 gpu for a powerful yet reasonable gpu. I suggest Tanner try that combination and see what happens.
i dont know other countries but in mine 4790k prices are ridicilous - its only 20% cheaper than i5 12400f, z97 mobos has the same prices as used b660, and ddr3 cost more than ddr4, so i matter of whole pc cost 4gen cost more than 12gen, sometimes even 3gen cost more
1080ti ? sheeeesh someones rich, nah ive just upgraded other stuff first, i7 7700, 1070, 32 gb ram, and tbh the saddest part, my cpu holds me back more then my gpu in most games.
That's still a baller PC, even though that CPU is kinda shit by today's standards mostly cuz it's a quad core, the GPU is still upper mid-range, it outperforms both the rtx 3060 12GB and the RX 6650 XT 8GB, which are both very popular and not to mention, much more expensive cards.
6:35 I personally don't need it, but that was the best seizure warning I have ever seen! Even letting you know when it's over, cool attention to detail.
My current gaming PC is a circa 2013 engineering workstation optiplex rescued from a pallet in the shed at work. It had mold growing on it. $150 worth of GPU and PSU later it runs great
Right now I'm using an old Dell laptop from 2007. I bought it at an estate sale for $50. I upgraded the ram, it came with just 1 gig, I put in 4 gig. I also put in an ssd. Boot time got much better. It's running Lubuntu. 22.04
That's one thing I'd like to do this summer: put NVMe in my old boxes which are now on spinning rust. I'll need other media for boot, but that should make things a lot snappier.
Teacher here - I Agree. I would probably do all but gaming on a 100€ Mini-PC. I just wish our student-PCs at least had SSDs in them. I would do unspeakable things to just have enough PCs for 2 whole classes of 30, that actually boot up to be used in the lesson you pressed the boot button. Alas, we only have one per 2 students (if they work - which they often don't), and they are leased so we may not service them ourselves, yet we have neither money nor IT-people to bring us up to any sort of standard.. (If you are reading this and have suggestions for the german space/market, I would love them.)
I'd suggest reaching out to donations from parents and/or companies they work for. Its absurd this happens. Every student needs a PC to study on. Also the fact that the school doesn't maintain the IT lab is also a problem. I'd make this as part of the curriculum, to be able to replace parts, upgrade and or troubleshoot. Or at least as an "IT club" for students that are pasionate about computers.
@@helloukw yeah I am told we used to have our own gear provided by a non profit and be able to Service it with an it club. But the city (and thereby our it department) only maintains the leased products... All the education money went into iPads for the students and now everyone thinks that replaces the need for real PCs...
Thank you. Still using 2007 VIA C7 2GHz (Jetway J7F2WE) desktop under Win XP, 2009 Intel Atom 330 1.6GHz (Jetway NC92) desktop under Windows 7, 2013 AMD E350 1.6GHz (Gygabyte GA-E350N) desktop under Win 7, 2018 AMD Ryzen 5 2500 laptop under Win 10. Working fine beside the RAM usage getting ridiculous with each Windows update. For "security reason" they say.
good god, sorry but those are and where horrible embedded systems. do you per chance just run industry software on the embedded systems? because thats the only usecase i can fathom where they dont need a few minutes for moderate tasks. laptop is fine tho, ryzen mobile rocks.
@@tarkitarker0815 Not embedded systems, full mini-ITX boards, very efficient, just some lack of memory on some of them. I don't do gaming on them though, for obvious reason.
@@davidkoch9123well my point still stands, and dude, you cant get shit done on via, via was remarked as too slow to enjoy working even back when the chips came out. it has a reason ibm bought via for the sole reason of "no interaction" low power systems to watch over things like surge spikes. i get that you can live by it, but you would have saved money if you dropped the via system as via was EOL by energy costs. idk if you keep it as a hobby but it seems that way.
@@tarkitarker0815Of course no more "real work" is done on it, yet it remained my main system for more than 5 years and it did great, office work, coding, browsing, the biggest lack was video capability, had to add a 5200 video card to get decent 3D and playback, but still a great system, whatever you may believe or not, the C7 was very capable back then.
@@davidkoch9123define "back then" up until 2012 i believe you, you made it sound like you still use it. none of the systems apart from the atom were awful 4 years after release, but shortly after. the atom was just ewaste to begin with.
I gamed on a optiplex 7010 that I threw a rx 580 4gb, 500gb ssd, 8(upgraded to 16) gb of ram, and a i7 3770 for the past 4 years and only just now upgraded.
I have a Dell Optiplex 7010/9010 Custom; it has an Intel I5-3470 3.2GHZ-3.6GHZ Clean Quad-Core Processor, 32GB DDR3-1600 RAM, and 1TB SSD Drive. It currently runs Windows 11 Pro, and it runs like a Marvel.
Even 4th gen is more than enough for casual users. Today I used my backup laptop that has a 1st gen i3 and forgot how snappy it is with a period-correct OS and programs.
yes the main benefit of a newer cpu is newer video codecs that help youtube work it can run on older cpus but on a laptop it will waste battery on desktop wastes powerdoes the battery still work on your 1st gen core i3 laptop@@FlyboyHelosim
I am still running a i7-4790 and it works like a charm for most semi modern games. I only recently replaced my beloved Radeon R9 390 with a used 2070Super, because the non-existent driver support caused some issues in a few games.
@@greatmatt301 Ryzen 5 2600 with 6700xt here, bought it on the summer of last year and absolutely loving the raw GPU performance, It's everything i ever wanted from a PC!
dell x280's can be had refurbished on amazon for under $200. 8600u / 16gb ram / 256gb ssd / 1080p 12.1" touchscreen / USBc power. I bought 20 of them as a temporary upgrade for the cost of 2 of the soon to be distributed new machines.... and because they are 8th gen, they are windows 11 compatible - so they have a long service life ahead of them. The T460's that we just retired have been workhorses for 8 years, and are still perfectly serviceable. I have not had a single dead unit.
I work for a company that sources computer hardware for orgs looking for server and workstation equipment, my job is actually to find businesses who are upgrading machines so we can help them sell or safely dispose of their old assets. those Optiplex machines with the i5-6500 are everywhere and customers are shocked when we give them the quotes for how much we can sell them for.
My family computer is a mini lenovo pc, no gpu, only a 6th gen intel. It does things fast, reliable, no noice, no space occupation, support remote desktop for anyone at home. And we can also use it to play all the movies and tv shoes on tv. So for any basic tasks, you dont need fancy hardwares, a $100 pc is well capable of those needs. After that point, you then consider the things like professional software, gaming, or other tasks at hand.
I was given a dell mini computer with an intel i7-9th gen. I was impressed in how much I could do on a mini pc work station that simply had NVMe and 16gb ddr4 2666
When my dad had his engineering company, I used to be the sole IT-guy and we would custom build every computer. But as things got bigger and tasks per discipline were more streamlined, we found very little sense in building computers on our own. So we started switching people to prebuilt laptops and some CAD designers with very specific needs I would build a computer for them. Otherwise, these laptops, it was very easy to swap hard drives, upgrade ram, I had pre-set windows images ready to go, it was very easy to maintain. Server side I had a couple of custom builds for NAS, Work-storage and backup, all running on ubuntu server to save money not paying for windows server and CALs. This also helped on people not thinking they were mistreated having a different computer, it really made a difference in the air at the office.
It is fascinating how jealous people get over their work PC's. "Hey Red, I saw that Jen from accounting got a new laptop, can I get a new laptop too?" "No John, you can't have a new laptop, you got a new laptop 4 months ago" "Hey Red, My laptop is broken, I need a new one"
Well, if you only get choppy playback in 4k on those machines you have pretty nice machines. In the school I was at a few years ago they had computers that would lock up when dragging a file between windows or when daring to open Firefox and Explorer at the same time and not let one of them fully start up before you start the other.
OK.. ? And what does your 6600K have to do with the subject of this video? This video was about older workstation computers being used in a business environment and whether it is viable (Answer: not really). Man I swear, people use any excuse they get to post whatever old junk PC they use.
@@Glotttis Man I swear, people use any excuse to reply to comments they don't agree with. You're allowed to NOT comment or reply if you have nothing of substance to add.
@@Ltdcloud Yup, indeed this is a comment section and this is what it's for. Discussions, arguments, disagreements, etc. We've come to a point where every tiny disagreement or healthy skepticism in comment section is seen as "bad". Just follow like all the other sheep and don't ask any questions, right? Now please tell me, how random person on the internet saying they have a "6600K" is of any substance? How is it more of substance than my post?
Lol a couple years ago we deployed those 7000 series dells as replacements for the nearly 20 year old dells that a lot of the grad students used. Not to be *that guy*, but using a different browser (like firefox) really helps prevent it from consuming all of your resources when it’s open. I should know, I currently have three hundred tabs open.
I built my computer about 9 years ago. Intel i5-6600K, 16 GB 2133 with an EVGA Nvidia 1060 6GB video card and a few leftover components. About 2 years ago I started getting some stuttering on some games. I ran a computer diagnostic program and the only component listed as critical was the old 500GB HDD. This was a reused part and was most likely 15 years old at this point. I bought a 1 TB SSD and cloned the drive. Now this is still a rocket ship. I don't do COD online or anything like that. A few racing sims, RTS games, GTA V, Witcher 3 and Red Dead 2. I'm not missing anything I want. I've been building my own computers since the Pentium 2 came out. It's a lot of fun to not have to set a dozen jumper pins on the MB and program your sound card into a startup .BAT.
Cool story, but this video wasn't about home usage or gaming or any of that. This video was to show whether older business computers are still viable for BUSINESS USE today. Answer: not really for multiple reasons. Single guy building and maintaining home computer is entirely different from how business operate. Linus even hinted at that at the very end.
That's the point, a simple switch from an old HDD to an SSD or a faster network port can work wonders on older computer systems. Why replace entire computer systems if a $100 part for each can improve performance? My specs match theirs and mine was not even top of the line at the time I built it.
I'm pretty sure the 1060 is newer than 9 years old also I really hope that you didn't mean your C: drive was an HDD. Even 9 years ago we knew that wasn't good. 24-9=15 2015
The 6th gen may be a bit old for your workflow. but man I'm still using an 8th gen for my dailly laptops and life is great here. Optiplex is the heart of my HOMELAB.
That's my companies appraoch. Most people still get 16 gig / 256 and that's fine for most. My team special orders 32 gigs, because I crunch a ton of Excel/Access stuff because were stuck in the 90's. @@Revenant_Knight
Funny thing is, I have a 6700k+16 gigs of ram in my garage and it runs all the home automation - talking magnetic locks, cameras, sensors, lights, door motors, reactors (water heating stuff), and a bunch of containers for different home services. It's plenty for this kind of work, if a bit expensive, and naturally less reliable. Even with all of that, the machine has plenty of overhead to spare. All in all, the wisdom of the video stands true - depending on the use case, an old machine can go a very long way. And if setup properly can also save a LOT of money. If I am to do the same stuff with actual automation tools, it would set me back by the thousands.
Yeah I don't understand why you need any of this stuff to be hooked up to a computer. I have never said to myself hey you know it would be cool if I could click a button on my computer to turn off my light or to turn up the temperature on my thermostat. Also don't most people just use raspberry pies for things like that?
@@horribleIRUKANDJI Since my use case is fairly basic - the entire house can be summed up as a bunch of switches and a few outputs, I run the entire thing with a couple of pik controllers. SInce I wanted the house to be autonomous and not involved with a big company's ecosystem, the entire back end from controller firmware to OS level services is my own doing. All in all it comes down to code, so nothing special. If you want a solid and relatively cheap solution, depending on how many inputs/outputs you have, you can use something pre-made like a Mitsubisi or Siemens control bricks. Those can drive all the aforementioned basic automation without any issues (excluding the cameras, as in my use case those are IP cameras, so they already have their own communication protocols and I have them hooked to an Agent DVR blackbox service). Using Fedora IoT as a backbone for my IoT PC.
@@bland9876 You can use anything which can fulfill the purpose, raspberry pi included. The reason I use the controllers I use, is simply due to my needs. When I need to operate four analog devices automatically, I'll get a controller that has four analog outputs with the appropriate parameters. The reason I use a PC is because I run a bunch of containers for different home services - NAS, pihole, pfsense, a bunch of video game headless servers, etc. Since it has to be online anyways, I tacked the home automation on it as well (mostly as a personal project so I can learn how to move data over the home network. Unironically, when I was studying automation, they never taught us how to code for the networking side of things). Also, clicking a button on the PC to start an action is not automation, it's remote control. My system can do that too, but it's not what it's for.
Microsoft both not supporting Windows 10 and not supporting older hardware on Windows 11 is unjustifiable. I really hope they're forced to backtrack on Windows 10 like they were with Windows 7.
Related to this, I built my dad a computer in 2016 for office use since his work laptops kept burning out from running too many displays. It was a Node 202 with a 6600 and GTX 950 in it. He still uses it to this day and has 5 or 6 monitors for it
Screen flashing black 6:40 Was it on RX580? My does that!!! I've read somewhere it's caused by core clock frequency dropping down to 300 MHz and up when idling or something. A solution is supposedly to increase the idle clock. Which I wasn't able to since the idle is greyed out in driver. The "solution" I'm using is having two monitors. With that, the GPU is idling on 600 MHz with no flashes.
I interned at a repair shop where the head technician did his work on an HP Compaq SFF. Now I work IT and my office PC is a 2nd gen i3. Bro. I ain't gaming here. It just works.
At my new job I'm using a dual core intel cpu (didn't care enough to check the gen), 8gb or ram and gtx610 iirc. It works more than fine for what I do, mosrly writing + some very light image work. All UNTIL i run out of ram lol tho increase the page file helped a bit. Obv, if I wanted to game on it, it would be an entirely diff story Now i got a think pad to work from home, dual core Intel, 16gb or ram and iGPU. The ram has been such a blessing lol Since I'm so good with all the guys in support, imma try to cop another 8gb stick for my deskrop lmao
@@baths4cars That's not going to fly for corporate/mission-critical PCs, but might be worth a look for a home machine that you don't mind tinkering with if a Windows update breaks Tiny 11.
Even with a 4790K, you can install windows with a default USB boot drive. No custom programs are required as long as TPM 1.2 is there. (Yes MS say TPM 2.0 is required, but 1.2 works as of right now)
@@talon262 Even for home use, the registry tinkering (can be done automagically with Rufus) or the "/product server" parameter is probably usually the better choice.
@LinusTechTips - This right here is the reason why those 6th gen Intel will die out soon in an enterprise setting. Licensing for Windows 10 is going out!
I'm an IT tech who has to regularly use windows 7 and early 2000's server installs, I feel Plouffe at 4:10 because I've got the snappiest hardware I could get and it takes less then 20s to cold boot my home pc
that black flashing issue - I had that issue on my laptop for the longest time and it turned out to be the iGPU trying to render the website and the discreet GPU trying to render some video ad or site video and both of them fighting each other because the CPU couldn't decide which one had priority.
I'm still running a 6700 non-K and honestly can't complain about the system, it has a 1TB 980 pro, 32gb ram and a watercooled 1080 ti and it's running three 1080p monitors Unless you feel the need to play in 4k it's perfectly fine for now
Guys, what the hell, are you noobies? You don't just swap the sad to a new machine with different specs! 99% of the problems they mentioned would be solved by a fresh install, including the flickerings, instability, random browser issues. I say this as someone who daily drives an old machine.
I've bought a lot of sff refurb pcs for light work. Generally I suggest 8th gen or newer. the performance difference between 7th/8th is significant because thats around where ryzen showed up. An 8th gen i5 is about the same as an i7 7th gen.
In line with this, three months ago I bought a used HP Z840 for $340 (shipped) that came with: XEON E5-2667 V4 MSI GTS 1080 32gb DDR4 1150w Power Supply 1TB SSD DVD R/W drive Win 11 64 bit (registered) This machine is ridiculously capable for the $$$ spent on it.
Xeon e5-2680 V3 after turbo unlock (12C/24T 3.3GHz all cores) Zotac 1660 Super 64 GB ECC DDR4 1TB NVMe SSD China X99 mobo (Machinist RS-9) 1000W PSU Runing on Win 10 All this for less than price of new prebulid
My brother in law is an editor for a small-mediumish sized content creator and I found out he was using an i5 8400 & RX 480 system. I upgraded him to my old RX 6700 and i7 10700k system and he said he didn’t notice much of a difference. He did start playing a couple games with me though so it didn’t go to waste.
I use a ThinkPad T410 as my daily driver laptop and it's perfectly sufficient for 90% of what I do, and the rest I do with my desktop computer at home. I upgraded it with 8GB of RAM and a 500GB and the total cost of it was less than $100 and runs circles around anything close to that price
I use my computer for rendering and compile tasks on an old amd A4 single core CPU Its terrible but i always used crappy hardware and learned to make incompatible things work
My computer says "40% OC" when I turn it on so I assume my PC needs water cooling. I've had to replace it when it started sounding funny and it definitely wasn't one of the fans.
My wife is still using a mini-tower with an I3-2100. I upgraded the RAM to 16 GB and installed a 512 GB SATA SSD as the boot drive, leaving the 1TB spinny drive for mass storage. It's boot time is stil pretty pathetic, but it's good enough for what she wants to do. I bought her a brand-new Acer with an I5 12400 under the hood, but she hasn't bothered to unbox it yet.
My sister had a Fujitsu prebuilt with an i5-3470, 8 GB DDR3 1050 Ti and 500+250 GB HDD. Guess what I got as a replacement when its PSU gave up? Literally the same model from a refurbisher for 60 bucks, except I also got her an SSD boot drive. She's more than happy with it. If something other than the PSU fails I even have replacement parts for it now. Some people just don't need thousand dollar PCs to daily drive.
There might be an explanation on lmg clips since it was explained on WAN, but he shaved it a month or two ago bc he was having I think a hydro facial or something and was told it cost the same for half his face (the rest covered by the beard) as the whole thing. It will be grown back, he wasn't sure but Yvonne doesn't seem to like him without anymore
My daily driver is a HP Elitebook Folio 1040 G1, with Intel Core i5 vPro, 8GB (or 12, can't remember) and a 500GB M.2 Sata SSD. Changed the battery a few years ago, otherwise nothing done. Its released in 2014 and I've had it since 2015. It's my second Elitebook, my previous one was a 8560p. My father-in-law still uses the 8560p as his daily driver. I added some memory and put a SSD in it
Hello! Just wanted to ask the average FPS and settings you ran on Elden Ring with your setup. I have a similar setup and was thinking of buying the game and completing it before the DLC comes out, so I'd like to know how smooth your experience was on it.
I find it hilarious that I got an ad for intel's 14th gen on this video, considering it's such a bad generational upgrade and not worth it in the slightest, but people are gonna get it anyways just for the flex of having a 14900K
My job literally got these exact computers for all work stations, 4 YEARS AGO......!! I'm sure they are fine for the lite office work. They are garbage when working in a machine shop.... let me tell you...
Exactly. I don't need an RTX 4090, I just want one.
Yeah. Like I only have a 1080p monitor and at 1080p my 3070 is fine... Doesn't mean I wouldnt want to upgrade to something better.
Rtx 4070 ti is a better bet.
4080 and 4090 are full of problems and cost way too much for the minor improvements.
Yes cooonnnsssumeee
@@Pwnopolis you realize this is a joke right?
my 4080 is not on a single problem ? what the heck u talking about . my 4080 is awesome never got an issue or problem, just get a decent pc with a 4080 or 4090 !!! 3070 or even a 4070ti is trash . just spend 120 $ more and get alot more performance!!@@Pwnopolis....
and compared to the 4070ti i got 100 fps more with the 4080 ... if thats "minor improvements" u shoud play with rocks instead
Few years back, I got a colleague from supply chain complaining about her PC being too slow, she "needed a new one". I tried it, it was indeed very slow, I added a bit of RAM that I had laying around: better, but still slow. I removed one of her theming software: it was already back to usable. Next I changed the HDD for a SSD and re-install a fresh Windows. She genuinely thought she got a new PC...
A proper software management is as important as having the latest hardware.
I can confirm that fresh windows reinstall can feel like a brand-new PC if coupled with upgrade to SSD.
Especially if you finally get rid of your 10yo Win7 install.
I think SSD did most of the work, the rest are nuances.
@@zbigniew2628 It's true the SSD probably did most of the work, but software management is absolutely NOT a nuance. I just recently "cleaned" a relative's PC. No reinstall, just uninstalling and disabling things that weren't needed or used. Before my tweaks, it had a 15 minute boot time. You could hit the desktop in 2 minutes, but the disk activity would stay locked to 100% usage LONG after. Once I had my way with it, the boot time was under 5 minutes, with 0 hardware changes. Even OP mentions the system became significantly more responsive after simply removing a single program.
Software bloat makes a huge difference.
Sure, but sometimes you do actually need new hardware. My old job absolutely refused to do upgrades, they repeatedly gaslit us that our constant issues with RAM/slow hard drives was because we weren't rebooting often enough. I mean, yeah, rebooting does close Chrome so yeah, you'll have more ram available then.... but you also can't do your job!
This all was despite me being far more qualified than the IT person (who was the son of the founder)
@@Madwonk Software bloat over time inside programs itself is also a thing and no one denies it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything related to browsing web with Chrome, since not only are webpages themselves very bloated (mostly due to overreliance on libraries, frameworks and abstraction) but Google is also to blame (why is it it's Messages app on Android is 10x as big as FOSS alternative that has 99% functionality - GoLang was created by Google for dumb programmers that couldn't understand C and that shall tell you enough about modern programming standards).
If you do your job on a software that doesn't have to be updated constantly and doesn't rely on web browsing, you will be fine semi-forever.
For example, editing just 1080p will always be editing just 1080p - there's really nothing to hamper efficiency as time goes on except for natural wearing out of hardware.
My work got rid of all their Optiplex 7010s... Took almost 10 minutes for them to boot up previously. I got ahold of one, increased the ram to 16GB, cleaned up the machine, new thermal paste, switched to an SSD, and added a wireless card and an RX6400.... Runs like a beast now... All in less than $200.
Shame that the rx6400 has cut pcie lanes seems to be the best case for it.
I have 7010 for htpc with rx 6400 next to the tv and 7050 for proxmox server with a2000 gpu. Best of all you can use the original proprietary psu.
The (9|7)010 MTs make very nice Linux boxes. About the only case where mine fall short is with some music synths which are cycle pigs.
you running win10 or 11?
@@StevoHDAWindows XP
The main reason businesses are getting rid of these PCs is because they usually don't have a TPM and thus can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
Odds are all they need to upgrade is the motherboards, not the whole pc. Every company should have their own Linus in my humble opinion .
The main reason is that new computers are tax deductible.
even with a TPM v2, modern win 11 doesn't like anything less than 8th gen intel and 2nd gen Ryzen. While there may be workarounds, who knows for how long those will work. For what ever reason, MS is really trying to do away with older machines.
But 8th or 9th gens are still quite good. But dell has a tendency to way under spec their PCI lane counts and RAM amounts... also their PSUs. I run an old 8th gen i5 for my media computer but my x16 slot still only has 4 lanes going to it. And I wanted a display at 4k which meant I needed a discrete gpu so that kinda stinks as that makes 4k videos chug sometimes but its not too frequently.
With MDT you get around most of the restrictions. Most of computers at the school district I work at have 6th or 7th gen processors and nearly all of them are on 11 and they run fine. When working with a limited budget you got to keep them working.
Businesses are getting rid because of their renewal cycle, which depends from company, but is about 3 years. So there are really good options there.
At my old workplace, where I ended up building a load of the PCs, we generally just did round-robin upgrades. Those who needed more powerful systems got the newest stuff; their old system would then be given to those who needed a slightly lower power system, then THEIR machines went to the next tier... etc etc. Everyone got an upgrade, everyone was happy, and we minimised costs and downtime - the downward steps could be offset by some time so support/issues didn't gum up the works. Anything left at the end of the line, we generally destroyed the HDD and gave the rest to local groups who then recycled them/provided them to those who might need a PC but didn't have the resources - generally poorer families with kids in primary school, or pensioners who were being supported by local groups to get online. Old machines don't need to die, they just need to move down the line to where they fit best.
Until mum bought a new PC from a store a couple of years ago, they would just get my old tower whenever I built a new one. Admittedly, I hadn't built one in nearly a decade at that point, but we just cycled the hardware down through the family for years. I was the tech nerd always buying the new fancy thing, so I'd pass down whatever I was replacing to parent or sibling, whoever needed it more. Definitely a valid system.
Except when it’s a Mac and Apple has decided to ditch support for an otherwise perfectly functional daily computer. Seriously they should be fined for willful creation of e-waste.
@markmuir7338 funnily enough though, current macos has older devices fully supported than Windows 11 in some cases. (It is the same for Intel CPUs, and better than and cpus)
For reference, apple supports macs with software updates in most cases for 7 years.
@@varno you can run windows 10 on things from 2010 and it can run any modern software fine so even if it is not supported it's fine unlike apple 7 years = anything prior to 2016 can't run latest software versions.
@@firasrabaiaI mean, true, but you can run most macos software on os10.15 catalina, which supports all machines back to 2012, it just doesn't get security releases. Monterey is still gets security releases, and that runs on 2015 mac laptops, and even some 2013 mac desktops. You can't compare Windows 7 to Windows 11 and not give the same favours to macos. It is not quite as good historically, but 7 years of full upgrade support and 10 years of security updates is still pretty good.
A new video next month - "I didn't need this upgrade"
Bruh. He JUST uploaded a new Sony TV unboxing on Short Circuit with this exact title yesterday
Somy @@BakersTuts
he already made that in shortcircuit
New video idea:
Hey guys i accidentally spent one million to play doom 💀💀💀
That was literally just uploaded
I'm a sysadmin at a small company and we just replaced our Lenovos E73 with i5 4th gen with Dells 7010 with i5 13500. Most of the users didn't notice any big difference and if the PSUs weren't starting to fail we could have easily kept the another two years without major issues. As a company, we use prebuilt PCs because of the readiness of driver packs for deployment, 5 years warranty and on-site hardware support, the ability to deploy driver updates with a dedicated tool and to avoid building 100 PCs from scratch. We're just two IT guys for 150 employees.
that's kind of surprising that you're still using computers, as opposed to laptops, which seems to be what companies tend to give out nowadays
@@Gregorius_laptops are computers
@@Gregorius_ for large companies it is still much easier to go with desktops because it's more serviceable on site. Just like this video is trying to convey, not everyone needs a laptop.
@@Gregorius_Just because "most companies" do the wrong thing, doesn't mean one should. Laptops suck. And I will die on this hill, tyvm.
@@JanWeigangMusic sorry i offended you
I feel like most of the weird bugs people encountered were because they moved the drives from their current systems into the older ones. Windows doesn't exactly like having conflicting drivers installed. And I know that windows has the sysprep /generalize tool but in my experience from creating windows images, your image source machine should match the target hardware as close as possible. That's why in order to minimize the number of images they have to maintain, many companies only offer 3-4 system choices overall.
Seriously tho I can’t believe they did that.
@@Sci-Mon1 Agreed, very stupid oversight.
They should have set their SSDs up as data drives.
This is a very valid point and I have experiences with this as well. Just throwing your drive from one system to the next can cause some weird behaviour. A lot of those small quirks they mentioned were very likely caused by exactly this. Monitor glitches, login bugs, extensions not working? Classic examples of the kind of weird issues you would get if you migrated a drive from a completely different system. These issues are also 10 times more common if you migrate from an AMD system to Intel or vice versa.
Honestly i've been working in IT for schools and Councils in the UK for 7 years and a lot of them are still running 6th gen I5/7. For basic office tasks, teams meetings and spreadsheets they are perfect. The internal networks and domains are the bottleneck most of the time. Dells warranty is brilliant as well. Log a support ticket and a guy is waiting at the office doors the next morning with all the parts to repair the PC. You cannot fault that.
Too bad Microsoft will stop providing Windows Updates to these machines October 2025 with Windows 10 going EOL. They're not compatible to Windows 11.
Dell's support is just extraordinary
You can fault it when the service technicians are hired without a vetting process (contract company) and their KnowledgeBase is significantly worse than your own I.T,
Albeit thats not a problem everyone has but it sure is a problem we had.
@@Steamrick most machines that aren't considered compatible by windows update, can still be installed with Windows 11 using a boot drive
@@Steamrick yeah that does suck. The current council I’m working for are rolling out Surface laptops out. It’s a long process replacing 10k machines. Microsoft’s support isn’t great in comparison. Their definition of repairing a laptop is just replacing it.
I work IT for hospitals, we tend to rotate systems roughly every 5 years. For the most part, as long as the system has an SSD (even a cheaper one), the older 4-5 year systems still work just fine for 90% of tasks; most of them with 8gb of RAM. For "power users" like accountants who have multiple excel sheets open, these same systems with 16gb of RAM work well too. Most of our "heavy" applications like EMR apps are cloud based and we see more hardware usage from Microsoft Edge.
As a person who has had to be in hospitals more than i would like to admit i wish there wasn't anything hooked to the cloud in the network. I can see why "heavy applications" can basically require you to have a server cabinet per building that provides the medical service just to hold in digital form the medical data of everyone who goes to the hospital. Sharing between building would be harder too.
For the system that the majority of them use yeah sounds about right for what the 3 hospital systems i have gone to use. Well that and a specialized one for nurses whose job is to go around and give the correct medicine to the correct human.
These employees at LTT are spoiled, pure and simple. Their issues are between the keyboard and the chair.
8GB of RAM in a commercial setting is horrible. If you're running commercial AV with lots of logging it can easily take up 4GB of ram which means after windows takes 2GB you have 2GB of RAM for whatever you're doing (probably using something running on chromium) which just isn't enough. Anything with less than 16GB now is useless for these business settings unless you have some niche task that can cope with only 2GB of RAM available.
The only way to get away with 8GB is to make users suffer with the page file being hit constantly or to not have proper security and monitoring settings.
@@jaysoncowan5763. Many of the old business machines can have some random faults that only pop up through daily drive. Had a family member go through the same thing.
@@jubjub727 Really asides for the video editors the majority of them could be put on raspberry pi 5s as thin client for a local to the network hosted VM server for their machines. Yeah an new job would be needed for when unique to virtual machines problems arise but with how big they have gotten it will most likely be someone who know what keywords to put into google to get the correct answer quicker than their correct IT guy does.
Well for the video editing machines have a 4090 or 3090ti in the direct hardware they are working on is basically a need for their job position. For some jobs running on the local hardware of a raspberry pi 5 is probably better than a virtual machine. Why the pi5 and not a mini computer? Just lower power consumption for the same performance. If the IT guy has a good mind he can probably find a lower or similar power consumption (+/- 30 Watts of power draw from the wall) x86 based machine with the same performance in what they need it to be.
I buy and refurb these exact type of computers to allow new not-for-profits to not have to worry about the usually high price of computers. They have their place.
Oh, that's a thing? How is business?
What you gonna do when windows 10 is unsupported on older hw? Rufus win11?
@@Regnskov Upgrade them to Linux 😜
Your work sounds awesome tbh, thank you.
@@Regnskov as long as you have 8th generation it is supported.
Used my old system with a 3770 for 10 years, and I'm confident they are overstating the startup speed issue.
It sounds like they just popped the SSD into the older machine without doing anything else. If they really wanted the experience to be that seamless, they should have used something like DISM to make an image of their installations that isn't tied to the hardware or drivers.
I used to work alongside video editors, and I'm surprised to hear that everyone at LTT including the writers are working with the full resolution 4K footage. We used to have almost everyone working with lower resolution proxy footage, it was easier on the machines and the network, and at the end of the process there was some software special sauce which applied the same edit decisions to the full resolution footage too. I can only assume that the issues described here with scrubbing through footage would have been helped by using lower res proxy video!
Yeah I've wondered about that before. Most production companies I've seen use macs to edit video, and not even new macs, unless they shoot in low resolution they just use proxy footage and the not super fast computers handle it just fine. No need for crazy powerful PCs or fiber connections, LTT's setup seems so overkill
So basically the edit decisions are generating a batch job to later apply with hardware with more grunt. I'm not a videographer, so that strikes me as extreme cleverness.
@@christopheroliver148
It's not very clever, it's like 3 clicks in any competent video software lol. I have no idea why LTT insists on editing native footage.
@@user9267 They edit on 4k raw because they're nerds who enjoy the excess and can afford to do it. They are 100% aware of the ability to edit on a lower resolution, it's an active choice not to.
Same reason they film on 4k and 8k cinema cameras that cost as much as a car, to upload to UA-cam. Or own their own video streaming service with a higher bitrate than anyone else. They can do it, so they will. It also gives them a practical upper bound for stress tests of high end hardware and networking, which is "fun" when they do networking adventures.
@@christopheroliver148 I would say the initial concept was absolutely a clever idea, yeah! From other comments it sounds like this idea is widely implemented in various software now. But yeah my understanding is that working on the proxy footage generates an "edit decisions list" and when the full quality version needs to be rendered, that edit decisions list tells a rendering system somewhere exactly what it needs to do
That "why did you cut to me" was super well done. Love these kinds of scenes that make the reporting of LTT less boring than conventional channels.
(Stephen from) GamersNexus is so insanely boring to watch for me, another commented he LITERALLY uses his videos to fall asleep, lol.
extreme tech downgrade
Gotta pay for Luke’s upgrades somehow
is that linus's response to employees stealing from the office? Linus just goes to their houses and steals computer stuff. Great video idea!
Extreme, my foot! If it's 64-bit, it's too new. Make 'em work on a 486 with Windows 3.1, like it's 1994, THEN you can call it "extreme".
@@Roxor128I thought extreme was reserved for stone tools
@@josir1994 Well, they _are_ doing video editing. Can't go _too_ primitive. At some point, it's just no longer possible.
While i have a high end PC at home, i used a 10 year old i7 laptop at worked for 2 years and it was completely fine. Granted most of the work was Excel spreadsheets and SAP.
@@Charleigh_Copley Omg yes, my monitor was 1600x900, i didnt see those since like 2008 HAHA
The urge to get yourself something new because It has been years
10 years, still flew like a rocket, but the new computer off I feel im going into warp or something
im still using my 1080ti and its still chugging along. absolutely no issues. the difference in an upgrade for me is in the 10s of milliseconds
@@spacekitt.n i am still using a intel hd 510
I still have an 8700k paired with a 3080.🤣
@@StuartBreland 3080 is fine that's just one gen behind and it's a high-end card.
We use a teired hardware model at work. For our general purpose shop floor machines we use machines that are 4 to 7 years old. Office users get 1 to 4 year old PCs and our power users get the latest and greatest.
Helps us to not constantly be spending money on the newest stuff and it means gear that is already paid for and is still usable can keep working for us.
At one of my previous employers. They had several pre build specs for pc's and laptops that managers could order. Something like Office > Engineer > Developer spec. All pc's came in pre-build and we swapped them if something was wrong. A person from our supplier would come by to repair pc's/laptops.
If a department needed something special they needed to put in a special request.
E-waste was interesting as we would routinely take out memory and video cards and CPUs from developer machines for spare parts. The sheer amount of 5th and 6th gen CPUs just tossed out as old garbage was astounding. Nice I7s as well. Old Radeon 500 series cards. Nice Crucial Ballistix memory. Developers and C-level employees got all of the goodies and e-waste was a goldmine to keep the older stuff upgraded and running. We also had at least 5-10 spare of everything including power supplies, just in case. All the e-waste companies usually got was a case with a board in it and some misc cables and so on. :)
Question: did you just move the system drive 2:40 and boot from the old windows installation or did you re-install?
Because no re-install would explain quite some of the issues you ran into.
At my last job (July 2019 to January 2024) as an embedded software developer, I was given a hand-me-down Dell Optiplex 790 from 2011 with an i5-2400 CPU and an ATI(!) Radeon 5450 GPU. One of the PC's previous users upgraded the RAM, and I doubled the number of GPUs so I could add a 3rd monitor.
The computer was perfectly fine for me for 3.5 years. It only became a problem during my last year there because I started working on multiple projects at the same time and thus had an excessive number of things open. Both RAM and CPU became bottlenecks at that point.
What OS?
i can get windows 11 on i5 750@@trevorbeingtrevor
@@yifanyin9845 Yup, it's not the preferred cpu for that OS, but it'll work.
yeah its first gen i5 lol,. i got it to 4.1ghz one time@@ArtisChronicles
@@trevorbeingtrevor It had Windows 7 on it when I got it, and I upgraded it to Windows 10 in late 2020 or late 2021.
We still use Optiplex 5050s with 6th gen I5’s in my office. About 6 months ago a couple of us went through and put new (budget) SSDs and at LEAST 16GB of RAM in each of the 80 towers we have, and they work fantastic for our needs (chrome,office,slack,zoom). All that with triple monitors too.
Nifty. I don't know if Windows has any distributed build facility, but that would make one hell of a compile farm.
Exactly this! OK, not talking high-end gaming or CAD here, but even just this week I "fixed" an ASUS laptop for a friend that was desperate need of some TLC because it was "so slow and buggy". I turned up at his place armed with a cheap'n'cheerful 512GB WD Blue SSD and 8GB RAM, downloaded a copy of DIsk Genius, and cloned his drive. Swapped the drives over and fitted the new 8GB to the spare slot (16GB total now), and what do you know...? "Wow! It's faster than when it was new!"
I'm amazed people still have OS's on spinning HDD's, but even more surprised how "new" his ASUS laptop was that was shipped with one too! I can understand "old" business machines with them though, and how popular you and your colleague wound've been fixing all those company PCs!
@@MrMairu555 haha, you are so right, swapping HDDs to SSDs is actually night and day difference. Only issue we’re having is the I5-6500 is not compatible with Win11, so we may have software support issues in the next year or 2.
@@RaceDude57do you actually need to run windows enterprise software on them? if not, just edit the win install files to disable the shitty support module requirement and distribute the roms via boot on lan.
@@tarkitarker0815 I’ll have to give that a look. We do need Win Pro to log in with our Azure accounts, but no enterprise stuff. Our whole company is pretty much web based besides accounting and other departments using the adobe suite. I’ll have to give that a try. Maybe I can make a bootable usb with modified files and run through all the PCs with that.
Hardware doesn't need to be the latest and greatest to be functional and useful. As tech advances, it certainly does pay to recycle and repurpose older devices whenever possible.
i use a 1st gen i7 and an asus GT 430 as my 3d printer slicer machine. runs just fine! i even use it for remapping damaged hard drives for clients and friends who need repairs
4RIL is a spam channel that uses AI generated voices and stock footage. LTT please add them to your block list or whatever you were using
How come this comment has got 100 likes when ones of equal measure posted hours ago have got none?
Especially since tech seems to "progress" sideways nowadays. For day to day stuff, performance hasn't gotten noticeably better in the past three AMD cpu generations. Yes, you can see it when you play games and run databases with lots of data throughput and what not, but for just day to day ops like browsing, watching videos, office work and light simulations, the performance is plentiful. Same for intel chips, although I wouldn't buy them for two reasons - Intel has some scumbag CEOs and I don't want to support his snobby nonsense and on top of that, their processors are not as power efficient. I can't agree with that paradigm, especially when they have no problem asking for a hefty amount of gold for those parts.
I used a 4th gen core i7 and gtx 1070 up until the middle of 2023. Still can run a surprising amount of current releases as long as it's low settings with some upscaling.
very precise flicker warning saved me from 2-3 minutes of suffering, thank you
*OVERLY BEARDED LINUS JUMPSCARE!!!*
I did not expect the beard
He's trolling us now
Tf is he doing
bruh his jawline went from bald to bush in 5 days
he's applying to play for ZZ Top
Challenge Video Idea: We Switched all our PCs to Linux to Prove You Can Too
No need to upgrade hardware for Windows 11. 5% better speed via Proton. $600 saved. And, yes, this is my main PC. No worries - rip that band aid off now. 2024 is not 2014 and Linux has come a long way.
@@josephoberlander"linux has come a long way" yeah but you still have to cope with the shell to install some shit, you have weird installation files that need you to do more than clicking next and you cant access your file browser as easy. its REALLY not worth it for companies, and i doubt anyone that isnt enthusiast about it, also i doubt proton gives more performance, its a TRANSLATION layer.
@@tarkitarker0815 My last install was literally half as painful, a quarter as involved, and twice as fast as Apple. I went from an image to formatted, installed, drivers updated, a reboot, and packages downloading in under 10 minutes. IF you get the right distro, it really can be idiot-proof easy, especially if you have an AMD based video card.
@@josephoberlanderdude ive tried mint and ive tried ubuntu, ubuntu is way more hassle, but even with mint idfk what to do with the shell enviourment, and i used the internet to get a hang of it, most linux sites are actually extremely arrogant in their way of explaining "yeah just type XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX into the shell to get the installation package for the amd drivers, now direct to folder xxxxxx and then enable xxxx in the gui, problem is they dont make it clear how to get there, there are no easy access buttons like in windows and the gui of said community driver is not telling me where to activate shit, instead i should click through 10 sites of gui, but thats not even where it starts. to get most advanced shit you can do quite easy in windows if you are well versed with it you need to install 10+ files and know the ins and outs which makes a 1 minute task take 30 minutes. linux aint the way for the public.....
@@josephoberlander"as apple" dude no one is taking apple as a standard for anything. if you do that its your own fault.i get the feeling you just try to work on linux and apple, but the majority of ppl that use pc´s at home do NOT work on them. they want them to browse, watch videos and play a game without installing 20 extra pieces. do not compare apples to oranges.
I really appreciate your channel making this video, and I hope you periodically shine a light on this perspective in the future. If I have one critique, it's that all the "test subjects" are from the writing team. The video does a great job explaining why video editors & CAD/designers were excluded, but what about the other departments? Are the other departments already using brand-name prebuilts? What about Sarah (or someone from her team), or the labs? (seeing as this might have been a great cost saving measure for an expansion with multiple workstations)
Well Sarah is presumably running Photoshop and illustrator where cpu speed is still important, labs would be compiling, crunching large spreadsheets and who knows what else.
Presumably they also wanted to stick with fairly technical users who don't do heavy processing on their machines which is pretty clearly the writing team. Also it's one member of the writing team coordinating this video so they probably just asked the people who sit around them
I work in a professional CAD (primarily Solidworks) environment with older (admittedly workstation class) DELL hardware. I call BS on the majority of calls for the lastest hardware being needed. I still use a Quadro P4000 for example, and it's more than capable of running my software. I'm limited more by other inept co-workers than I am by my hardware!
"Would require a monitor upgrade" ... No it requires a $8 adapter.
dongles from VGA and DVI are the worst experience ever.
monitor downgrade he said
Yeah dvi-d can do 4k 60hz as long as the GPU can handle it.
"...As recent as 6th gen"
A lot of companies have 3/5 year replacement cycles. At the company that I work for, we're now cycling out 10th gen laptops and starting to cycle 8th gen desktops (we've just completed our 7th gen desktop decommision)
work is 5 years, and most people are not due for an upgrade quite yet, when the covid hit everyone got a laptop and desktops are only for those that actually need extra power the high end laptops can't provide
@@EnyoStudio doesnt the AI requirement only apply to prebuilts shipping with 12?
@@EnyoStudioisn't the CPU only a bottleneck if the game actually uses the CPU but since most games only use the GPU it doesn't matter?
@@Lollllllzwe are barely on Windows 11 and your saying Windows 12 exists? Lol
@@bland9876 there are rumors that the the next major version of windows(commonly referred to in the rumor mill as 12) will require an NPU and 40 TOPs performance of unknown criteria and 16gb minimum ram presumably for the AI features.
Not mentioned in this video: Many companies are constantly replacing their machines every few years or so because they are LEASED and not PURCHASED. If a computer is leased, it is a regular, expected, expense. It isn't the company's problem to properly dispose of the machine at the end of its life. It isn't the company's problem to repair it if/when the hardware breaks (that is the manufacturer's issue). And, all of this... is exceptionally important... as many companies are moving to "all staff get a laptop" for "capability to work remote (whether the employee wants it... or the employer requires it)".
Yes, many small businesses could easily buy 3 "grade A" refurbished machines for their one or two "office workers". Why 3? One or two for use, and another when a bug in one of those forces a machine hot swap. Gamers usually cannot get good prices on these, though, due to inadequate PSUs, proprietary wiring / case designs, etc. Luckily for many, though, the "SFF living room PC" (for many) is now easily replaceable with direct plug in to HDMI / DP port stick PCs with built-in wired networking/WiFi. Want to play steam games? Steam deck (and allow your gaming PC to do the heavy lifting).
Companies lease low-end quality, minimal cost, machines. Manufacturers make them, and make a hefty profit. First party manufacturers (Intel, AMD) get a place to sell their low-end quality dies (lowest end CPUs) instead of everyone demanding mid to high end. And, in the end, recyclers ... and landfills... get the waste.
exactly. We at work have mac pro 7.1 leased and I actually got to buy a 28-core 512gb RAM version at the end of the lease plan for less than 2k $. (Lease plans are usually 2~5 years, ours was 5, now the whole company uses mac studios on an another 5-year plan.)
the transitions between everyone talking were pretty smooth, felt very natural almost like one person was talking the entire time
At this moment I’m still rocking an Intel Core I5-3570K with 16 GB RAM and windows 10.
I had this machine built in November of 2012 so it’s basically as old as my daughter.
I think recently I’ve been hearing some squeaky noises from the PSU but apart from that, it runs well enough.
I’m blind, so am using onboard graphics, but I will need a GPU in my next machine, as I’ve started doing a lot of stuff with local LLM’s and music tools like Demucs which my current machine can’t handle.
It does surprise me that `I can do anything with any level of speed here though.
It’s not blazing fast obviously, but it’s not slow enough that I feel like I’m waiting around for hundreds of years to just open a Chrome tab, or perform an edit in Sound Forge, which is my two-track audio editor of choice.
I don’t know when CPU’s stopped becoming mega slow after a year or two, because I’m pretty sure that you couldn’t/wouldn’t use a 2002 CPU in 2012, but a 2012 CPU in 2024 still runs fine.
Definitely got my money’s worth from this box.
Grateful for that.
cool
Most companies are moving or have already moved away from desktops and moving to laptops with docking stations. Like you said laptops can run 99% of what is needed and if you need more power a desktop is ordered
There used to be a price differential that made desktops preferable, but it's just not there anymore.
Used to be that in order to get good performance, reliability and durability, you'd go Lenovo T-series, HP EliteBook or similar class computers, but with the latest gen you get just about the same performance with a Lenovo E14 Gen5 as you do with a T14 Gen4 (the 2023 gen business laptops). Used to be you would sacrifice a lot when it came to materials and builds with the E-series vs T-series but on the latest gen you're just giving up some corporate nice-to-haves.
That suddenly lets you bulk buy laptops at a rate not too far off a similar Intel NUC, Lenovo Tiny or other 1L-formfactor computers. With USB C/Thunderbolt docking stations or monitors with built-in docks, you're good. Yes, those add extra cost, but can be re-used for at least a couple of cycles.
And even then, they often just use more powerful mobile systems
We use NUC's... I now feel a substantial hatred towards those...
They manage to be absurdly loud whilst overheating anf all of that without delivering any power at all.
Laptops, Thin Clients, or a combination thereof in my experience. With homeoffice having gotten much more prominent in the past couple years, I've seen laptop adoption go way up.
@@Steamrick the place i work at a put in the suggestion to use raspberry pies because one are we have 20 machines but all they do is scan bar codes and log people time for piece rate, even though they use those small dell towers but it's all basically server based now
0:00 the futurama reference is so good for this one
I mean there is a reason schools and large businesses standardize their equipment. One companies like Lenovo offer better warranty on their business class items. Especially if purchased not via normal retail. It makes it easier to manage and replace a device if it does crap out as well if you buy devices with removable storage as then you can just swap machines out and move hard drives and have the user up in a matter of minutes.
I led a school roll out of Lenovo desktops for a district and it was like 1400 machines. Before delivering them they had us setup the bios with boot order for things like boot from network most other methods really locked down and with a password they provided.
Once delivered we setup them up hit the power button and they pushed out custom school district images to each pc as it booted over the network adapter. It also lets them wipe any remotely as well. Pretty handy in some circumstances.
I'm using one as my main media player (streaming, stored videos, music, etc). It's a 3rd generation i7-4790 than can IN FACT play the newest games... IF it's it got a beefier display card in it. I put in a simple 1060, which is more than enough for just playing media. Got it refurbished from Amazon and I tweaked it to my needs and put it in a nicer case. I tweaked the GUI to resemble more like a smart TV app and programmed macros to use it with a PC remote control so it auto opens webpages and auto full screen without having to manually glide around with a mouse cursor.
I helped my dad build a low budget pc for him to run ms flight sim, i7-4790, 32gb ddr3, rx 6600 -
Runs 4k on high totally playable (given that a sim is not a fast paced game, so 18-20 fps goes fine)
Also *manages* to run the sim on VR at 1.1x quest 2
For a tech media company, there's value add to have custom computers for most employees as a part of the company culture, it builds the vibe that computers are more than just the hardware specs.
Are we certain that putting drives from new computers wasnt the issue? In my humble experience windows drives put into different systems tends to shit itself.
Yeah. I agree with you, those machines shouldn’t be that bad.
See I have had zero issues doing that. My current OS install has been through multiple upgrades. It started as Windows 7 on a Q6600 followed by an i5 3570k. It was then upgraded to Windows 10 and shortly after cloned to an NVMe on a Z97 board. Then it got upgraded to an AM4 X570 with a 3700x and now it's in the same system with a 5800x. I've amazingly had no problems and still boots in seconds. That said, I do run maintenance on the registry from time to time and I have also removed all traces of previous drivers (including force unhiding everything in device manager to purge old entries).
The main reason I imagine that the old systems were that bad is I bet they have a LOT of background processes/apps purely because they can do so on their modern systems without noticing it.
@@AndyMitchellUK26The glitching what bothered me mostly, tipical driver issues. I experienced exactly this when I tried to save the data from an old pc.
@@AndyMitchellUK26 Did you hear of Theseus' ship? xD
Do you think directly installing the SSDs from the fast PCs to the older ones contributed to the glitchiness? I have a suspicion that windows was a little confused at times, which led to installed drivers misbehaving.
That is a strong possibility.
Thought the same thing
Same.
Likely driver issues
Ya they needed to do the driver uninstall install thing. Linus never mentioned doing it so I'm guessing they didn't since it's important enough I think they would have mentioned it if they did it.
I'd love to see an episode where you take a look at your purpose-built machines for CAD and any niche uses
My company actually started having me build the machines we use (we’re a very small company personnel-wise so we can get away with that) and legit one of the first things I do is evals on what the tasks are that are going to be accomplished by each machine, and then spec the machine to be excellent for that task set for a duration of a minimum of 5-years, and can be stretched for 10 in case we find ourselves in a financial pickle at upgrade time. We save money from pre-builds but only because my time would be used for similar amounts going through the process to purchase and validate machines, but if you don’t have a me at your office, modest spec’d pre-builds are literally just fine to get work done.
ok.
Those "bugs" could have been related to the fact that you just moved the SSD to the other machine and not a fresh install.
Also, Some of those could be related to GPU issues.
I think some 8-9 gen CPU machines would be ideal for office stuff, with a drop in 1650 gpu for a powerful yet reasonable gpu. I suggest Tanner try that combination and see what happens.
Flickering youtube is something that happens on my gtx 1070. It is chromium bug that nobody fixes for a year or two.
I'm still running a i7 4790k, with a 1080ti and 16gb ram
i dont know other countries but in mine 4790k prices are ridicilous - its only 20% cheaper than i5 12400f, z97 mobos has the same prices as used b660, and ddr3 cost more than ddr4, so i matter of whole pc cost 4gen cost more than 12gen, sometimes even 3gen cost more
1080ti ? sheeeesh someones rich, nah ive just upgraded other stuff first, i7 7700, 1070, 32 gb ram, and tbh the saddest part, my cpu holds me back more then my gpu in most games.
That's still a baller PC, even though that CPU is kinda shit by today's standards mostly cuz it's a quad core, the GPU is still upper mid-range, it outperforms both the rtx 3060 12GB and the RX 6650 XT 8GB, which are both very popular and not to mention, much more expensive cards.
what games you play? i wouldn't want to play cs2 with that rig lol
YOOO I USE i5 4670K WITH RX570
How does ltt manage to make videos about how they make videos
6:35 I personally don't need it, but that was the best seizure warning I have ever seen! Even letting you know when it's over, cool attention to detail.
Yeah The production value here is insane
New video idea:
I upgraded ALL your PCs so we can't make any more videos!
i accidentally spent one mill to play doom
No, I downgraded my PCs to prove YOU don't need a new one!!
Take this offer or leave it LTT!!
My current gaming PC is a circa 2013 engineering workstation optiplex rescued from a pallet in the shed at work. It had mold growing on it.
$150 worth of GPU and PSU later it runs great
Right now I'm using an old Dell laptop from 2007. I bought it at an estate sale for $50. I upgraded the ram, it came with just 1 gig, I put in 4 gig. I also put in an ssd. Boot time got much better. It's running Lubuntu. 22.04
Good deal.... // If you are using a video editor.... or if you have a suggestion... which one would you recommend? Thanks.
That's one thing I'd like to do this summer: put NVMe in my old boxes which are now on spinning rust. I'll need other media for boot, but that should make things a lot snappier.
@@FeedScrn Thinkpad T480's are adequate for video editing
@@MinecraftCheating - Good to know... Thanks. Also... a possible software suggestion please(?) Linux works for me as well.
@@FeedScrn it depends. the t480 can run windows 11 or 10 very well. if you want to use linux, i'd suggest popOS
2:53 Unbearded Linus Hits Puberty
he already passed that
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012 no way
@@Prosocool2012no way
Teacher here - I Agree. I would probably do all but gaming on a 100€ Mini-PC. I just wish our student-PCs at least had SSDs in them. I would do unspeakable things to just have enough PCs for 2 whole classes of 30, that actually boot up to be used in the lesson you pressed the boot button. Alas, we only have one per 2 students (if they work - which they often don't), and they are leased so we may not service them ourselves, yet we have neither money nor IT-people to bring us up to any sort of standard..
(If you are reading this and have suggestions for the german space/market, I would love them.)
I'd suggest reaching out to donations from parents and/or companies they work for. Its absurd this happens. Every student needs a PC to study on. Also the fact that the school doesn't maintain the IT lab is also a problem. I'd make this as part of the curriculum, to be able to replace parts, upgrade and or troubleshoot. Or at least as an "IT club" for students that are pasionate about computers.
@@helloukw yeah I am told we used to have our own gear provided by a non profit and be able to Service it with an it club. But the city (and thereby our it department) only maintains the leased products... All the education money went into iPads for the students and now everyone thinks that replaces the need for real PCs...
i feel like you did not do a complete driver refresh using dell command update. It would probably fix a lot of the issues they ran into.
Thank you. Still using 2007 VIA C7 2GHz (Jetway J7F2WE) desktop under Win XP, 2009 Intel Atom 330 1.6GHz (Jetway NC92) desktop under Windows 7, 2013 AMD E350 1.6GHz (Gygabyte GA-E350N) desktop under Win 7, 2018 AMD Ryzen 5 2500 laptop under Win 10. Working fine beside the RAM usage getting ridiculous with each Windows update. For "security reason" they say.
good god, sorry but those are and where horrible embedded systems. do you per chance just run industry software on the embedded systems? because thats the only usecase i can fathom where they dont need a few minutes for moderate tasks. laptop is fine tho, ryzen mobile rocks.
@@tarkitarker0815 Not embedded systems, full mini-ITX boards, very efficient, just some lack of memory on some of them. I don't do gaming on them though, for obvious reason.
@@davidkoch9123well my point still stands, and dude, you cant get shit done on via, via was remarked as too slow to enjoy working even back when the chips came out. it has a reason ibm bought via for the sole reason of "no interaction" low power systems to watch over things like surge spikes. i get that you can live by it, but you would have saved money if you dropped the via system as via was EOL by energy costs. idk if you keep it as a hobby but it seems that way.
@@tarkitarker0815Of course no more "real work" is done on it, yet it remained my main system for more than 5 years and it did great, office work, coding, browsing, the biggest lack was video capability, had to add a 5200 video card to get decent 3D and playback, but still a great system, whatever you may believe or not, the C7 was very capable back then.
@@davidkoch9123define "back then" up until 2012 i believe you, you made it sound like you still use it. none of the systems apart from the atom were awful 4 years after release, but shortly after. the atom was just ewaste to begin with.
Tanner: WE didn't get brand new computers but we got BRAND computers
We also watched the video.
I gamed on a optiplex 7010 that I threw a rx 580 4gb, 500gb ssd, 8(upgraded to 16) gb of ram, and a i7 3770 for the past 4 years and only just now upgraded.
I have a Dell Optiplex 7010/9010 Custom; it has an Intel I5-3470 3.2GHZ-3.6GHZ Clean Quad-Core Processor, 32GB DDR3-1600 RAM, and 1TB SSD Drive. It currently runs Windows 11 Pro, and it runs like a Marvel.
The 4th gen chips are still good! not that much of a downside unless you doing heavy workloads! Love the video!
i like 12 gen core i5 storage speed is what matters whit light use
@@404hopenotfound Man, My pc is a dinosaur... Like flashbacks to un-bearded Linus reviewing the pc I am using old.
wow hope you dont have to use the igpu they were pretty bad@@BinkersGaming
Even 4th gen is more than enough for casual users. Today I used my backup laptop that has a 1st gen i3 and forgot how snappy it is with a period-correct OS and programs.
yes the main benefit of a newer cpu is newer video codecs that help youtube work it can run on older cpus but on a laptop it will waste battery on desktop wastes powerdoes the battery still work on your 1st gen core i3 laptop@@FlyboyHelosim
I am still running a i7-4790 and it works like a charm for most semi modern games.
I only recently replaced my beloved Radeon R9 390 with a used 2070Super, because the non-existent driver support caused some issues in a few games.
2070 super is still a workhorse
4930k with a 6800xt myself. Definitely feel the age in some games but for 4k 60 fps its good enough :)
@@greatmatt301dude thats not comparable
@@Just-A-UA-cam-User the CPU absolutely is.
@@greatmatt301 Ryzen 5 2600 with 6700xt here, bought it on the summer of last year and absolutely loving the raw GPU performance, It's everything i ever wanted from a PC!
dell x280's can be had refurbished on amazon for under $200. 8600u / 16gb ram / 256gb ssd / 1080p 12.1" touchscreen / USBc power. I bought 20 of them as a temporary upgrade for the cost of 2 of the soon to be distributed new machines.... and because they are 8th gen, they are windows 11 compatible - so they have a long service life ahead of them.
The T460's that we just retired have been workhorses for 8 years, and are still perfectly serviceable. I have not had a single dead unit.
Inspirons are also around this price point if you buy direct from Dell and come with a brand new i5. Noted not as rugged.
I work for a company that sources computer hardware for orgs looking for server and workstation equipment, my job is actually to find businesses who are upgrading machines so we can help them sell or safely dispose of their old assets. those Optiplex machines with the i5-6500 are everywhere and customers are shocked when we give them the quotes for how much we can sell them for.
My family computer is a mini lenovo pc, no gpu, only a 6th gen intel. It does things fast, reliable, no noice, no space occupation, support remote desktop for anyone at home. And we can also use it to play all the movies and tv shoes on tv. So for any basic tasks, you dont need fancy hardwares, a $100 pc is well capable of those needs. After that point, you then consider the things like professional software, gaming, or other tasks at hand.
Major car manufacturer from Munich uses this style of devices, they RDP into server.
I think full price was 200 EUR per set (monitor, keyboard, etc)
I was given a dell mini computer with an intel i7-9th gen. I was impressed in how much I could do on a mini pc work station that simply had NVMe and 16gb ddr4 2666
How is that a surprise?
Well it depends on what youre doing. Besides any rendering of course an iGPU works fine
When my dad had his engineering company, I used to be the sole IT-guy and we would custom build every computer. But as things got bigger and tasks per discipline were more streamlined, we found very little sense in building computers on our own. So we started switching people to prebuilt laptops and some CAD designers with very specific needs I would build a computer for them. Otherwise, these laptops, it was very easy to swap hard drives, upgrade ram, I had pre-set windows images ready to go, it was very easy to maintain.
Server side I had a couple of custom builds for NAS, Work-storage and backup, all running on ubuntu server to save money not paying for windows server and CALs.
This also helped on people not thinking they were mistreated having a different computer, it really made a difference in the air at the office.
It is fascinating how jealous people get over their work PC's.
"Hey Red, I saw that Jen from accounting got a new laptop, can I get a new laptop too?"
"No John, you can't have a new laptop, you got a new laptop 4 months ago"
"Hey Red, My laptop is broken, I need a new one"
Well, if you only get choppy playback in 4k on those machines you have pretty nice machines. In the school I was at a few years ago they had computers that would lock up when dragging a file between windows or when daring to open Firefox and Explorer at the same time and not let one of them fully start up before you start the other.
My I5 6600K feels a bit insulted rn.
Just like my e3 1270 v1 😅
OK.. ? And what does your 6600K have to do with the subject of this video? This video was about older workstation computers being used in a business environment and whether it is viable (Answer: not really). Man I swear, people use any excuse they get to post whatever old junk PC they use.
@@Glotttis Man I swear, people use any excuse to reply to comments they don't agree with. You're allowed to NOT comment or reply if you have nothing of substance to add.
@@Ltdcloud Yup, indeed this is a comment section and this is what it's for. Discussions, arguments, disagreements, etc. We've come to a point where every tiny disagreement or healthy skepticism in comment section is seen as "bad". Just follow like all the other sheep and don't ask any questions, right? Now please tell me, how random person on the internet saying they have a "6600K" is of any substance? How is it more of substance than my post?
@@Glotttis Its because if you were concentrating the OptiPlex's they were using had 6500s so almost as good as a 6600K
Lol a couple years ago we deployed those 7000 series dells as replacements for the nearly 20 year old dells that a lot of the grad students used.
Not to be *that guy*, but using a different browser (like firefox) really helps prevent it from consuming all of your resources when it’s open. I should know, I currently have three hundred tabs open.
Good point. // Forcing people to upgrade to newer PCs - is ultimately a climate change issue. Which is more important?
I built my computer about 9 years ago. Intel i5-6600K, 16 GB 2133 with an EVGA Nvidia 1060 6GB video card and a few leftover components. About 2 years ago I started getting some stuttering on some games. I ran a computer diagnostic program and the only component listed as critical was the old 500GB HDD. This was a reused part and was most likely 15 years old at this point. I bought a 1 TB SSD and cloned the drive. Now this is still a rocket ship. I don't do COD online or anything like that. A few racing sims, RTS games, GTA V, Witcher 3 and Red Dead 2. I'm not missing anything I want. I've been building my own computers since the Pentium 2 came out. It's a lot of fun to not have to set a dozen jumper pins on the MB and program your sound card into a startup .BAT.
Cool story, but this video wasn't about home usage or gaming or any of that. This video was to show whether older business computers are still viable for BUSINESS USE today. Answer: not really for multiple reasons. Single guy building and maintaining home computer is entirely different from how business operate. Linus even hinted at that at the very end.
'Old' Enthusiast builds are over spec for office tier work@@Glotttis
Good try
That's the point, a simple switch from an old HDD to an SSD or a faster network port can work wonders on older computer systems. Why replace entire computer systems if a $100 part for each can improve performance? My specs match theirs and mine was not even top of the line at the time I built it.
I'm pretty sure the 1060 is newer than 9 years old also I really hope that you didn't mean your C: drive was an HDD. Even 9 years ago we knew that wasn't good.
24-9=15 2015
The “ideal” office pc they talked about at the start was my exact office pc lol
The 6th gen may be a bit old for your workflow. but man I'm still using an 8th gen for my dailly laptops and life is great here. Optiplex is the heart of my HOMELAB.
That's my companies appraoch. Most people still get 16 gig / 256 and that's fine for most. My team special orders 32 gigs, because I crunch a ton of Excel/Access stuff because were stuck in the 90's. @@Revenant_Knight
Funny thing is, I have a 6700k+16 gigs of ram in my garage and it runs all the home automation - talking magnetic locks, cameras, sensors, lights, door motors, reactors (water heating stuff), and a bunch of containers for different home services. It's plenty for this kind of work, if a bit expensive, and naturally less reliable. Even with all of that, the machine has plenty of overhead to spare. All in all, the wisdom of the video stands true - depending on the use case, an old machine can go a very long way. And if setup properly can also save a LOT of money. If I am to do the same stuff with actual automation tools, it would set me back by the thousands.
what's the software you use for home automation? I'm thinking to use one of my old PCs for that, but not sure where to start.
Yeah I don't understand why you need any of this stuff to be hooked up to a computer.
I have never said to myself hey you know it would be cool if I could click a button on my computer to turn off my light or to turn up the temperature on my thermostat.
Also don't most people just use raspberry pies for things like that?
@@horribleIRUKANDJI Since my use case is fairly basic - the entire house can be summed up as a bunch of switches and a few outputs, I run the entire thing with a couple of pik controllers. SInce I wanted the house to be autonomous and not involved with a big company's ecosystem, the entire back end from controller firmware to OS level services is my own doing. All in all it comes down to code, so nothing special. If you want a solid and relatively cheap solution, depending on how many inputs/outputs you have, you can use something pre-made like a Mitsubisi or Siemens control bricks. Those can drive all the aforementioned basic automation without any issues (excluding the cameras, as in my use case those are IP cameras, so they already have their own communication protocols and I have them hooked to an Agent DVR blackbox service). Using Fedora IoT as a backbone for my IoT PC.
@@bland9876 You can use anything which can fulfill the purpose, raspberry pi included. The reason I use the controllers I use, is simply due to my needs. When I need to operate four analog devices automatically, I'll get a controller that has four analog outputs with the appropriate parameters.
The reason I use a PC is because I run a bunch of containers for different home services - NAS, pihole, pfsense, a bunch of video game headless servers, etc. Since it has to be online anyways, I tacked the home automation on it as well (mostly as a personal project so I can learn how to move data over the home network. Unironically, when I was studying automation, they never taught us how to code for the networking side of things).
Also, clicking a button on the PC to start an action is not automation, it's remote control. My system can do that too, but it's not what it's for.
0:35 until next summer when Windows 10 hits EOL. Windows 11 doesn't support 6th gen processors.
Microsoft both not supporting Windows 10 and not supporting older hardware on Windows 11 is unjustifiable. I really hope they're forced to backtrack on Windows 10 like they were with Windows 7.
Related to this, I built my dad a computer in 2016 for office use since his work laptops kept burning out from running too many displays. It was a Node 202 with a 6600 and GTX 950 in it. He still uses it to this day and has 5 or 6 monitors for it
Screen flashing black 6:40 Was it on RX580? My does that!!! I've read somewhere it's caused by core clock frequency dropping down to 300 MHz and up when idling or something. A solution is supposedly to increase the idle clock. Which I wasn't able to since the idle is greyed out in driver. The "solution" I'm using is having two monitors. With that, the GPU is idling on 600 MHz with no flashes.
I interned at a repair shop where the head technician did his work on an HP Compaq SFF.
Now I work IT and my office PC is a 2nd gen i3.
Bro. I ain't gaming here. It just works.
70% of these issues are probably caused by them carrying over the ssd instead of just doing a clean reinstall
Not excusing this windows bs tho
At my new job I'm using a dual core intel cpu (didn't care enough to check the gen), 8gb or ram and gtx610 iirc. It works more than fine for what I do, mosrly writing + some very light image work. All UNTIL i run out of ram lol tho increase the page file helped a bit. Obv, if I wanted to game on it, it would be an entirely diff story
Now i got a think pad to work from home, dual core Intel, 16gb or ram and iGPU. The ram has been such a blessing lol
Since I'm so good with all the guys in support, imma try to cop another 8gb stick for my deskrop lmao
The problem with using a 6 or 4th gen processor is the can't upgrade to Windows 11 and that will be a requirement for a bunch of places soon.
nope tiny 11 all solved
@@baths4cars That's not going to fly for corporate/mission-critical PCs, but might be worth a look for a home machine that you don't mind tinkering with if a Windows update breaks Tiny 11.
Even with a 4790K, you can install windows with a default USB boot drive. No custom programs are required as long as TPM 1.2 is there. (Yes MS say TPM 2.0 is required, but 1.2 works as of right now)
@@talon262Or use rufus to create your boot stick, can get rid of the checks as well and is probably less likely to fail.
@@talon262 Even for home use, the registry tinkering (can be done automagically with Rufus) or the "/product server" parameter is probably usually the better choice.
Well, there is actually a reason why 6th gen will not work. It is called TPM 2.0 and Windows 11.
@LinusTechTips - This right here is the reason why those 6th gen Intel will die out soon in an enterprise setting. Licensing for Windows 10 is going out!
Can you just get a tpm module to put on mother board or maybe pcie slot?
There are work arounds, get your Installed disk and plug it in to a 6thgen system it Wil just start up and go
Exactly that’s why business are dropping them security risk is too big and cost for extended security to keep old machines isn’t worth the cost
@@HatsuneSquidwardno 8th Gen is the oldest CPUs supported by windows 11
I'm an IT tech who has to regularly use windows 7 and early 2000's server installs, I feel Plouffe at 4:10 because I've got the snappiest hardware I could get and it takes less then 20s to cold boot my home pc
that black flashing issue - I had that issue on my laptop for the longest time and it turned out to be the iGPU trying to render the website and the discreet GPU trying to render some video ad or site video and both of them fighting each other because the CPU couldn't decide which one had priority.
I feel attacked, as I am using an i7-6700k with base clock and no intention to change it (clock nor cpu)
Crys in c2d laptop
(upgraded but still)
T9900
8gb ram
SSD for os
1920x1200 LCD
I am still using a i7-4790k and a gtx 1070 and it's been working fine for me and my games
I'm still running a 6700 non-K and honestly can't complain about the system, it has a 1TB 980 pro, 32gb ram and a watercooled 1080 ti and it's running three 1080p monitors
Unless you feel the need to play in 4k it's perfectly fine for now
i recently upgraded from an i5 3450, so atleast you're not using that@@Wynter_Wolf86
can you tell me some fps numbers with this machine? botleneck? i was using 1070 with first gen i7 970 then i bought 8th gen 9600kf @@Wynter_Wolf86
exactly linus doesn't need to say a segway to a sponsor, he just wants to
Guys, what the hell, are you noobies? You don't just swap the sad to a new machine with different specs!
99% of the problems they mentioned would be solved by a fresh install, including the flickerings, instability, random browser issues.
I say this as someone who daily drives an old machine.
They are a media company. They aren't actually great at anything beyond building PCs and basic tech.
I've bought a lot of sff refurb pcs for light work. Generally I suggest 8th gen or newer. the performance difference between 7th/8th is significant because thats around where ryzen showed up. An 8th gen i5 is about the same as an i7 7th gen.
0:10 Gotta love that mobile-game ad cry
In line with this, three months ago I bought a used HP Z840 for $340 (shipped) that came with:
XEON E5-2667 V4
MSI GTS 1080
32gb DDR4
1150w Power Supply
1TB SSD
DVD R/W drive
Win 11 64 bit (registered)
This machine is ridiculously capable for the $$$ spent on it.
You could do some pretty good gaming on that thing, if I'm being honest
Well it handles BG3 on Ultra settings with no problem. Haven't tried it on anything else yet.
@@LOLMAN9538
Xeon e5-2680 V3 after turbo unlock (12C/24T 3.3GHz all cores)
Zotac 1660 Super
64 GB ECC DDR4
1TB NVMe SSD
China X99 mobo (Machinist RS-9)
1000W PSU
Runing on Win 10
All this for less than price of new prebulid
My brother in law is an editor for a small-mediumish sized content creator and I found out he was using an i5 8400 & RX 480 system. I upgraded him to my old RX 6700 and i7 10700k system and he said he didn’t notice much of a difference.
He did start playing a couple games with me though so it didn’t go to waste.
The mobo having its own speaker is a cult legend. When it goes off and your heart skips a beat before you realize a hidden speaker exists.
I use a ThinkPad T410 as my daily driver laptop and it's perfectly sufficient for 90% of what I do, and the rest I do with my desktop computer at home. I upgraded it with 8GB of RAM and a 500GB and the total cost of it was less than $100 and runs circles around anything close to that price
I use my computer for rendering and compile tasks on an old amd A4 single core CPU
Its terrible but i always used crappy hardware and learned to make incompatible things work
@0:53 As fancy as water cool might be, in the end of the day, air cooled is more reliable 😊
My computer says "40% OC" when I turn it on so I assume my PC needs water cooling. I've had to replace it when it started sounding funny and it definitely wasn't one of the fans.
My main gaming machine is a Haswell Optiplex with an RTX A2000. It's plenty for gaming at 1080p120.
Can't wait for linus bast expensive pc parts dropping video
My wife is still using a mini-tower with an I3-2100. I upgraded the RAM to 16 GB and installed a 512 GB SATA SSD as the boot drive, leaving the 1TB spinny drive for mass storage. It's boot time is stil pretty pathetic, but it's good enough for what she wants to do.
I bought her a brand-new Acer with an I5 12400 under the hood, but she hasn't bothered to unbox it yet.
Had the exact same CPU. Please tell her to unbox that Acer. Those 2 cores really hurt in Windows once you realize how much better it can be
My sister had a Fujitsu prebuilt with an i5-3470, 8 GB DDR3 1050 Ti and 500+250 GB HDD. Guess what I got as a replacement when its PSU gave up? Literally the same model from a refurbisher for 60 bucks, except I also got her an SSD boot drive. She's more than happy with it. If something other than the PSU fails I even have replacement parts for it now. Some people just don't need thousand dollar PCs to daily drive.
Could you try turning off things in startup to see if that helps with the boot time? If general usage is fine, then that may be it.
@@frf5000 LOL! You seem to be under the impression that I can tell my wife to do anything.
Why does linus look like he returned to the prepandemic beardless look. 😅😅😅
Something I noticed at the begining of the video
I mean... because he did?
There might be an explanation on lmg clips since it was explained on WAN, but he shaved it a month or two ago bc he was having I think a hydro facial or something and was told it cost the same for half his face (the rest covered by the beard) as the whole thing. It will be grown back, he wasn't sure but Yvonne doesn't seem to like him without anymore
My daily driver is a HP Elitebook Folio 1040 G1, with Intel Core i5 vPro, 8GB (or 12, can't remember) and a 500GB M.2 Sata SSD. Changed the battery a few years ago, otherwise nothing done. Its released in 2014 and I've had it since 2015. It's my second Elitebook, my previous one was a 8560p. My father-in-law still uses the 8560p as his daily driver. I added some memory and put a SSD in it
GTX 1060 6gb with i7-3770k played OW2 just fine, along with Elden Ring, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, so many more, not to mention all the indie games.
Hello! Just wanted to ask the average FPS and settings you ran on Elden Ring with your setup. I have a similar setup and was thinking of buying the game and completing it before the DLC comes out, so I'd like to know how smooth your experience was on it.
He ain't wrong
I find it hilarious that I got an ad for intel's 14th gen on this video, considering it's such a bad generational upgrade and not worth it in the slightest, but people are gonna get it anyways just for the flex of having a 14900K
It’s a nice upgrade from a 7700 or 8700
@@timothygibney159 Going strong with my 8700 over here without any plans on upgrading.
My job literally got these exact computers for all work stations, 4 YEARS AGO......!! I'm sure they are fine for the lite office work.
They are garbage when working in a machine shop.... let me tell you...