Review: Kuretake Black Ink 60 & Sumi Ink 60
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2016
- A comparison of Kuretake Black Ink 60 vs Sumi Ink 60. They are also known as the Zig Cartoonist ink. They are marketed as manga drawing inks.
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Sumi ink is supposed to be slightly watersoluble as thats the effect Sumi artists want to achieve when using only Sumi ink in different dilutions and no other colours. It's not a fail, rather it did its job.
this video has helped me loads with buying next inks!! Im a total beginner with dip pens, thank you!!
Thabk you, Teoh! I always resort to your reviews whenever I want to decide what to buy! However, I feel that this time the Sumi ink didn't have a fair waterproof evaluation, because maybe it needed more time to dry.
Thanks for the review. It really helped me in buying one of those.
One more test you could have added is to see how well the ink spreads and create beautiful effects on a wet saturated watercolor paper.
A very helpful video Teoh, Thanks for sharing.
I used to think those inks were the same, but with different packaging/marketing. I experimented by putting a syringe of water in the manga 60 ink, and it's not as dark but is more controllable from a pentel pocket brush than the standard ink.
Shame on Pentel for making pens that don't take universal cartridges.
This was posted four years ago, nevertheless thank you very much. I love ink drawings and thinking of trying out myself. This video helped a lot!
thanks so much! Im very confused choosing between two. This covers everything I need to know about the inj
thanks For the review Teoh!
thank you very much, teoh. you are the best and helped me like always :)
+Vera Baldjieva Thanks 😁
Wow thank you...was just about to buy sumi for ground work under watercolor....thanks !!
I’m a bit late, lol. Just acquired zig sumi super black and the standard zig sumi, and now I know which one to use for ink color washes! Very informative thank you! 😎👍
Thank you so much for your helpful video :) ✨
Very useful. Thank you!!
thank you it really helps
Thanks for the video! Do the inks have a granulating texture?
Hi Thank you for the review, it is helpful.. My question is, can BLACK INK 60 be used in a brush fountain pen?
Try sumi ink from daiso, i heard they have lots of daisos in singapore
thanks a lot
ty!
Thanks 🙏🙏
Thank you.
Do either of these inks have an odor? The sumi and Chinese inks I have tried have a bad smell. Great review, as always. Thanks.
Sharon Nolfi it smells like coca cola
Very low odor compared to other india inks I’ve used.
That problem with the paper seems to be oil. Sometimes we don't notice our fingers are oily (not really dirty, just oily because the skin produces oils) and touch the paper, leaving an unnoticeable oil print on the paper. We only notice said oil prints when painting or writing something.
thanks you for reviewing the inks. I have been meaning to use these inks but was pretty much doubting to buy since they have a high price tag when I get it from retailers here.
also do be careful when you use your copics with inks or ink drawings . Sometimes the ink can stain the marker's tips and it can lead to further damage on the tips.
Your review was really helpful. Thanks! Any recommendations for lettering ink? I have nibs that belonged to my dad (the nibs are over 50 years old) and I don’t know what ink to use ( I am a beginner but used real brush pen and tombow before).
The inks in this bottle will clog up the nibs eventually since it is really difficult to completely clean a nib. So for starters, maybe get those inks that are meant for fountain pen use. But get one with large bottle opening for use with dip pens. E.g. Sailor KiwaGuro, Daler Rowney Calli ink.
Teoh Yi Chie thanks for your advice!
Thanks for the video. It was really helpful...but even then I still bought the wrong one. Doh!
very nice review, teoh.. i'm wondering, is it ok to use the sumi ink & black ink 60 for fountain pens?
+Bang Napi These are pigmented ink so I will not recommend them for fountain pens. It can cause clogging.
oh ok, thank you for the advise.. btw have you ever test the Dr Ph Martins ink that for fountain pens?
+Bang Napi It's best not to use pigmented ink in fountain pen. I would not dare to use Ph Martin ink because they are heavily pigmented. If you want waterproof ink, try Noodlers Bulletproof Black. Also check out reviews for Sailor KiwaGuro and Platinum Carbon ink for fountain pens.
ok, do you know where to buy Noodler's bulletproof black in singapore? *sorry for asking so many question, teoh..
That's cool men, thanks! :)
Nice video! Thank you for sharing. May I ask. Does this ink work with pen brushes such as pentel? I am a complete beginner used to technical fine liners and don't want to clog the brush pens.
This ink will clog. It's for use with dip pens and brushes.
@@teohyc Thank you. I will search for something else. Ink is quite pricey and I don't want to buy the wrong one.
for me inksticks are better eventhough we grind it long but the results are good
Hii, does it smudge if you use it to try outlining on a pencil drawing when erasing? just asking :) thank you.
I no longer have this ink so I can't test.
are you mind reading me, ir stalking my amazon account? two brands of sumi ink arrived at my front door two days ago. lol thanx for the review anyways- always the best
+Suzala Suzala Thanks 😬
I was given Zig Kuretake ink as a gift, can I use it to refill my brush pen? Or is it only for dip pens? Sorry but I'm still a newbie.
I'm also a bit confused by this video, my Kuretake Zig Cartoonist black ink 60 *is waterproof* when it dries. I used a hair dryer and left it afterwards, before water coloring.
+Cherry Lasting If it is the same container you see in this video, it's for use with dip pens.
Hehe, I have a brush pen and I used my Kuretake to refill (granted, I don't knew shizz about this stuff) it worked fine.
Could you use it with fountain pen/ brush pen?
On Google, I noticed that there are Kuretake comic black 60, cartoonist black 60, manga back 60, zig cartoonist black 60. Which one did you use in this demo?
I think he used the zig cartoonist.
Hey Teoh! Just asking, if I could use these ink to refill my Pentel brush pen?
+Tachi Chin Probably not. They are heavily pigmented.
Very very fast drying ink. It leaves a good quantity residue like a resin after dry
Thx for the info Theo... Are these ink ok to refill copic gasenfude or any other brush pen? Thx...
These should only be used with dip pens and brushes. And always clean them after use. The pigmented inks will solidify and clog everything. Around the bottle opening you will see physical ink particles. Solid bits, chunks.
What inks do you recomend for brush pen? My son just start using brush pens, and i bought him pentel pocket brush pen and copic gasenfude..
@@momobong4484 You can use Rotring ink
Thanks a lot for the info...
Hi Teoh! Could this ink be used on a fountain pen? I was using Black Noodler's ink but suddenly is not waterproof anymore :o( ... Thanks for all the info you share!
Do not use this in a fountain pen. See options here www.parkablogs.com/content/waterproof-fountain-pen-inks-drawing
@@teohyc Thank you! I'll try wuth Sketch ink!
how about zig super black ink, have you tried that, can you review & compare please :)
What's the drying time for Sumi ink
Pls give an approximate time sir
I have sumi ink despite it says on the bottle waterproof after dry. It is certainly not. Then I looked up your video and try to see if I got a faulty product. I guess false advertisement on the bottle.
+sherrycous Sumi Ink 60 is not waterproof. Black Ink 60 is.
@@teohyc Yes, Sumi Ink 60 IS WATERPROOF, but you must give it a chance to actually DRY. Instead of going at it with a wet brush after a mere 5 minutes, let it dry for a couple of hours and try again. It actually says so on the bottle and you actually read it out loud during the video: WATERPROOF AFTER DRY. The Black Ink 60 was specifically designed for people who think ink should be completely dry after 5 minutes, i.e. impatient people and morons.
A Very Private Life Or manga artists that need quick-drying drawing ink that has a decreased chance of smudging...
Can I use it with Lamy Safari pen? Or it is only for brushes etc?
Only for brushes. The ink will clog fountain pens. When I remove the cover, there are hard crusty ink particles. The large bottle opening is designed for dip pens or brushes.
can the black 60 be thinned with water so that you can do shading?
Yes you can do that.
Can this ink be used to refill the pentel pocket brush pen?
+Vermin Vibes I don't think so. It feels quite thick to flow well.
Teoh Yi Chie bad luck!😢 the 180ml. bottle was cheap here😢😢😢
Sumi ink available at Daiso Malaysia. Whether it's the same or not I'm not really sure
Kopi Ais i have both sumi ink 60 and daiso sumi ink. Daiso sumi ink smell pretty bad. Not as smooth as the sumi ink 60. I mainly use for dip pen Calligraphy.
@@agnesrambling Thanks for the info
Can I use this ink for suminagashi marbling technique?
You might be able to do that.
Can I use this ink for refilling brush pen?
Maybe, but maybe you should thin it with water?
Nope. Ink is too thick.
I don't know if i buy the sumi ink or the pilot ink
If you're using a fountain pen, get Pilot ink. Sumi is for brushes and dip pens.
Hmmm, I would get these inks but Im not very comfortable with inks, I tried them and they act weirdly (its toooooooo good at wet in wet, which makes it a bad thing bcs Im becoming more experienced in watercolor and my watercolor doesnt spread as crazy xD)
Btw, I also have bought the Sketches Pro app, its so sooooo good my god xD But I wish that it was compatible wit the Pencil by 53, its so sad :(((((
Using ink requires a different mindset since there's only black and white. And that's what's fun about using different tools because they make you think differently and approach art different. :-)
on the kuretake you actually pulled that from the copic with the waterbrush
nice review as always btw
+SpiralHero Thanks 😀
hi, can these inks be used in brush pens?
No
Is it OK if I put the ink in a small jar?
It's okay. Just make sure it's airtight
Can i use Sumi ink 60 in zig mangaka brush pen or pentel brush pen?
No. Sumi ink is heavily pigmented and will clog the brush pen. There are physical ink crusts around the bottle opening. I suggest using Rotring, Sailor KiwaGuro, Noodlers Bulletproof Black (slow drying).
@@teohyc thank you for your return 👍🏻
Could I use the Manga ink to refill a Pentel Color Brush??
If the ink does not say it is safe for fountain pens, it is not safe for use in pens and brush pens.
@@teohyc Thanks! I actually found the answer on your blog last night and forgot to come back and update! You are an incredible resource for those of us without the money to try out a bunch of stuff for ourselves. thanks so much
my sumi ink is not waterproof at all, even when it's been drying for a week on any kind of paper
Sumi ink is not waterproof.
Isn't this water-based inks? I think it is normal to expect a bigger variation when you put big drops of ink, since the water isn't so heavy, and so will guide it faster through the paper's relief
can you use this ink with fountain pens?
No. This is heavily pigmented that will dry to solid chunky blocks.
@@teohyc OK thank you almost bought this for my fountain pen
How do I open it though?? xD
If it's stuck, you can have rubber band over the cap to create extra friction to twist the cap
Yeh had bad experience with Sumi ink
What happened?
are you vietnamese ? 😌
I'm from Singapore
Teoh Yi Chie because you look like vietnamese. Sorry, I'm vietnamese then I think it 😅.
Oof I accidentally bought this ink for my fountain pen 🖋 🙃
How'd it go?
@@blackink4554 too bad
it rapped my cheap brush pen
but it's good and nice dark black for normal brush
It gets a big fat ZERO for not being vegan friendly.
I used the sumi one in a pentel pen brush and it skips alot. I wonder if the ink is just too thick for this purpose?
These two inks are too thick for use inside brush pens
Can I use this black ink to my pentel brush pen ? Is this pigment or liquid ?
This is pigmented and likely to clog that brush pen.
@@teohyc so which one is good to use with pentel brush pen ?
@@sathishc1195 You can see some options here www.parkablogs.com/content/best-black-ink-refill-brush-pens