As a 5'4" woman in her mid 50's who wanted to learn how to ride on dirt while still having the ability to A) pick up the bike, and B) keep up with interstate traffic, I also analyzed a series of motorcycles using a chart listing all the requirements and used grading scale to add points for each characteristic (a man after my own heart). The total score produced the top 4 contenders on your list! (TLDR - the Honda and Versys were the final two contenders). Luckily, I had the opportunity to sit on all 4, which I believe to be imperative before buying. Bikes like the Himalayan looked great on paper, but the engine configuration and general layout were uncomfortable for me. The DRZ was just too tall and too narrow for my purposes. So the choice really came down to the Honda CB500X and Kawasaki Versys X300. While the Honda was much more comfortable (and the one I believe you would enjoy the most), it was also heavier, so I ended up buying the Versys X300. The Versys engine is a high revving sports version taken from the Ninja - alarming after riding low revving cruisers for 30 years! It required a change to a 15-tooth front sprocket to make it manageable at lower gears (huge improvement in slow motion throttle control) and lowered the RPM without affecting the computer. But that, and a Seat Concepts upgrade, has made the Versys my constant companion for over 11,000 miles now. Mine is outfitted with T-Rex engine guards (Highly Recommended over OEM), a Ricochet bash plate, bark busters, higher windshield, and soft-luggage supports. It's been this way for the full 11K miles and I'm FINALLY going to add a lowering kit so I'm not on my tip-toes. Finding the right bike is highly personal. I wish you luck on your journey! Honestly, though, I couldn't be happier with the handling, flexibility, and lightness of the Kawasaki Versys X300.
Great comment. You've been researching. I have been riding since 1987. All bikes are a compromise. Just like your partner - LOL! You have to find one that works well enough all of the time to get along. It's really easy to get a new bike or change it. Not so for your partner. Both took me some trial and error. But you can change bikes like socks without having your feelings hurt. From what you said, I would start with something small like a Suzuki DR200 and learn dirt riding. It will not be safe in the highway. Max speed about 60, and you are wringing it's neck.
As a Versys 650 owner I can't but appreciate the Versys 300; I, too, considered it for my next buy, but here in Italy it comes with tubes, that is a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.
I am 64 this year and just bought a Suzuki DR650 I couldnt be happier. Best bike i ever owned. Old school, simple, looks great,value for money and never ages.
Yay John, I am 66 and I just did 9500 kms (I guess 7000 miles) on a DR650 around remote parts of Australia. Lowered it 25 mm which is very straightforward if you shorten the side stand. I also put on a different seat (Sargent) and a 25 Litre Acerbis tank and I am good for 520km (About 300 miles) range. Great fuel economy and did everything I asked of it. I also weighs a lot less than 450 pounds and I can pick it up on my own.
I have gone through the same thought process. I down sized from an Harley at 840 lbs to a Yamaha xt 250. Too small. May of 2022 I got a Ktm 390 adventure. That works fine. My riding now is about same as yours. I’m little older at 80.
I looked at 390 and preferred the 500x I couldn't even notice the weight difference between them. And a 390 single is really not much engine. 390 has better suspension. But it depends what the use is going to be.
@@chrishart8548Might check out Oregon motorcycle channel. They did a speed test of the 390 vs 500. The guy on the 390 was heavier. The 390 pulled away from the 500. Interesting comparison, couple different videos
I am 85 and loved my X300 . Had been riding bikes for 67 years. I found my choice for a smaller bike was the x300 , but I wish I opted for the abs . You sound like me when you are making a choice . There is no doubt in my mind I made the best choice. Good luck,
I downsized from a BMW 1200gs to a royal enfield himalayan and have been more than happy. I do about 50:50 riding and also live close to the forest and blm roads/trails. The weight has not been an issue really because the himalayan carries its weight pretty low and is very well balanced.
As to height, Itchy Boots is 5'6" and loves her Honda 300 L Rally. She recently stated that she has no plans to purchase any different bike. In addition, she has changed the suspension and loves soft luggage. She does not want tubeless tires, as her wheels are spoked and loose spokes cause leaks in tubeless tires. Instead, she tries to keep thick treads on her tires and does so by changing them before they get fully worn down. She has not had problems with flats as a result. Another thing she looks at is standard mileage maintenance requirements, such as required oil and filter changes. This is a strong point of this 300 Rally that she loves...
I’ve been riding a Harley Electraglide for 20 years and a Honda Goldwing for as long before. I started riding on a Honda 50 in 1968. I bought my friends 1986 BMW R80RT, another touring bike, 3 years ago because I knew the day was coming when I would give my Harley to my son, because I no longer felt safe on it with my wife in the back. That happened two weeks ago on a trip to the Black Hills, S. Dakota from my home in Wyoming. I injured my leg when placing my foot wrong at a stop and zinged my ankle, knee and hip. I rode home in pain and it took two weeks to recover. My wife said she no longer will ride with me on that bike. Getting old is a bitch. I’m glad I bought my friend’s BMW. It feels featherweight compared to the Harley and I love riding it. I had a new one in 1986 which I regretted selling. Keep the shiny side up!😎👍
I am 72 and down sized to the CRF300L Rally. The only thing that is a con for me is the seat height. I put a low concept seat on and that helped a little. I have ridden from Chelan WA to the Giant Loop ride twice now and it has worked very well for me. I put all the usual protective gear on it and put on a new shock and front spring in fork for my weight. It handle just fine on the highway and gets 70 mpg or better. It tends to be a little top heavy but no worse than the DRZ400S witch I have ridden and had to pick up. For the kind of ridding you have described I personally don't think the horse power of any of these bikes really matters all that much. I have ridden the Himalayan and it will do 65 mph just fine and my CRF300L Rally will do 80 mph and will cruise along loaded down with camping gear at 65 mph all day long with out a problem and still get 70 mpg. I carry about 40 lb of gear in the Giant Loop Great Basin bag with there Tillamook bag strapped on top. I have there smaller panier bags strapped up front and a handle bar bag and a fender bag strapped to my wind screen because it will not fit on the front fender. So that is my two bits worth.
From one aging rider to another - good thinking, sir! Something can be said for getting a little older & wiser. Like, that we do not need all those hp to impress others or ourselves. I hope the accident has not left too deep scars mentally, but might even help you to enjoy the rides while you can! Enjoy the process of picking your new bike and have tons of fun with it (as I am sure you will). Best wishes from Denmark.
I’m not sure if someone has mentioned this yet, but the spoked version of the 390 Adv has tubed wheels. The cast wheel version is tubeless. For your riding style the cast wheels should be plenty strong. I got to ride a KTM 390 duke and versys 300x around the west coast of Ireland and would take the KTM engine all day. It’s so engaging and fun to use. I haven’t ridden the adv, but I would expect the riding dynamics to be similarly entertaining. There is also the triumph scrambler 400 coming out this winter that looks like a great small displacement option if you aren’t doing much more than fire roads. Happy travels!
I am 73 and recently went with a Yamaha XT250 for off-road-oriented dual-sport riding together with a Kawasaki Versys 650 for highway wanderings. I have the minimum legally-required insurance coverage on the XT250. The Versys is not really suitable for gravel roads; but you can do that standing on the pegs and staying loose. I have a 30” inseam and I am done with tall bikes. My previous bike was a Honda CRF450L. I loved it; but it was waisted on me. If I has a 32” inseam, I would have kept it. By the way, the Honda and the Yamaha are a a breeze to upright. The Kawasaki, even at about 500 pounds isn’t really bad in that regard, but I would not take it into the woods or into deep sand! The XT can handle camping gear if you stay on mild trails. Good off-road tires are a must.
Interesting conundrum... I've owned a couple of these (CB500X and CRF300L, my current ride). I liked the 500X, but I found it pretty heavy and the rear shock was a disaster over bumps - it likes to buck you off. Maybe they've addressed this, it was a few years ago that I owned one. Great fuel economy though, and fine on the highway. The 300L is pretty great actually, but I understand your reservations. As to the seat height, it squats pretty good when you get on so it's not that bad - try one out if you can, it will go literally anywhere, and the power is pretty good as it's so light. If you want pure fun and simplicity, take a look at a Honda CT125 TRAIL (or a GROM even?) - not acceptable for the interstate, but for everywhere else (at your stated preferred slow pace) I bet it would be great. VERY light as well, and 100mpg plus. Good luck on your hunt.
I did pretty much the same process for my own purchase, with many of the same criteria. I'm 61, 5'7", with a year of riding experience on bikes as large as a BMW GS1150R. One downside of the Versys 300X is that the HP and torque is higher in the rev range, so you'll need to give it throttle to get through some stuff the Himalayan can just chug through. Also, keep in mind that it's not just the price (and weight) of the bike, but also the price (and weight) to fit the bike out. So go ahead and price in things like bash plates and engine guards (and factor them into the weight). My spreadsheets say that the CB500X is the best bike for my needs, but, after that came the CRF 300 LS (not available yet) and the Himalayan Scram 411. I ended up getting the Scram 411, because it's the best bike for my current abilities and how I intend to ride it. It rides fine at 60mph, and I'm not really interested in going any faster. I've only got 1,000 miles on it so far, but I'm quite happy that I made the right choice (for me).
Thank you for your analysis. I, too, am a senior (80), 6' 2", and ride a KLR 650 in and around my NE Oregon community. For the same reasons as you've noted, I have often considered downsizing and find your information very useful. One parameter I'd add is dealership availability. Riding or hauling my bike 200 or 300 miles for dealer services has been a "deal killer". My KLR dealer is less than 40 miles away.
Have had both the CB500X and the Versys 300X. I am 6 feet tall and found the Versys way comfier once I sorted out the plank they give you instead of a seat. I increased the front sprocket to 15 teeth which gets rid of the insanely short first gear and also allows you to cruise at 70 - 80mph in comfort. It really loves to rev! The CB500x had a sportier riding position but also has a gem of a motor. Not quite as revvy but that bit more power. I still regret selling them both but needs must.
I have the T7 as well and have looked at everything and the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure keeps coming out on top. I have watched a lot of reviews and the 390 surprises a lot of really good riders. One UA-camr, Adventure Matt, gives very honest reviews on the 390 and he also owns a T7 and says he'd choose the 390 any day over the T7. Good luck with your decision.
I owned a 390 ADV for 6 months and sold it for a KLR. If you're mostly riding it around on the street then I'd say it's fine. It's lightweight so gets blown around on highway pretty easily, you have to make a lot of mods to get it to be comfortable in the dirt, seat was not comfortable for me, can not carry a lot of weight properly without upgrading the shock. Moving to a 21 inch front wheel was very noticeable to me offroad, ergonomics aren't cramped anymore, KLR feels much more stable with longer wheelbase on the dirt, much more planted on the highway. Just some thoughts. I thought I'd want a smaller bike at first, but small comes with its downsides too.
I enjoyed your little talk. I'm 76 and I've also been riding most of my life. I started on an Alstate MoPed at 13. I have not purchased an Adventure bike but I'm considering doing so. I've gone through the same thought process as you but still can't decide. I'm very interested to see what you ultimately do.
It is hard to beat the 250 lb KTM EXC-F bikes if you are taller. They come with good 50/50 street/dirt tires and the super light weight and horsepower makes them agile for easy quick turning on pavement or dirt. Can ride at 65 on the highway and with soft bags they are great commuters. I had one EXCF suspension lowered down 4" for a shorter inseam rider and one at full height. There are lots of off the shelf upgrade options and protection parts you can add but are great as is. They handle drops without any damage and so easy to pick up. Not at all good for longer interstate trips though but there is no fun in that for any two wheel bike, for my taste.
Of the ones you mentioned, the KTM 390 is the one I consider a relative no-brainer. It’s powerful and well-appointed for the money, with a very good suspension. If you’re shorter of inseam (I am 6’ with a 30” inseam, too), it should not feel too terribly small at standover, but you will probably have to adjust reach a bit. I can’t remember whether the 390 has the 3 locators for the bar clamps like other KTM ADV bikes. If it does, Bob’s your uncle because it’s a very simple operation to move the clamps forward to get you a bit more stretched out. I have to say I did a 🤔 when you said you didn’t want a dual sport, yet included the DRZ and the CRF in your list. They are most certainly dual sports, and both are very good tools for that job, for different reasons. I have a DRZ myself, with a properly set up suspension, and yeah, I practically need a step ladder to get onto it, and I’ve fallen over at 0mph by misjudging where my foot is going a couple of times. However, I think it makes a great light camping platform, just to gainsay your comment regarding dual sport camping capabilities 😉. Best of luck with your decision. I’m considering doing something similar moving from the DRZ, but maybe moving to a KTM 350 or 500exc-f to get ultra-light, with the trade-off of ultra-high seat. Trade-offs! Edit: how about adding Triumph’s new 400 scrambler to your list. You could go back to the future and relive your scrambler days. I do not know much about it yet, though. Maybe worth a study?
Your candid, informative discussion is certainly helpful for anyone who may be interested in "downsizing" or shopping for a smaller adventure machine. I've recently downsized from my '02 Kawi Concours to a '22 Kawi KLR650. I find the KLR "Adventure" model to be very easy to handle compared to my '94 HD Ultra Classic highway touring bike and the Concours "commuter" bike. For '23 Kawi has introduced the KLR650S, "S" for short. Revzilla has a nice evaluation off that machine in its Common Tread blog. Good luck in your selection!!
Very nice video, and relevant to me as I'm grappling with the same sort of issues. I'm 64, 5'10", 155, 32" inseam with a base Africa Twin. It is a great bike in many ways but it is heavy, a bit top heavy, and offers more horsepower than I need. I do have some long-distance trips planned which makes me hesitant to downsize just yet. Glad to see your video as I'm sure there are many folks in our shoes. Seat height itself is a such an issue that I wonder why so few manufacturers are addressing it.
I fall into the returning rider category, first bike a 78 Honda Hawk 400 (new) that I put 20K miles on, second bike an 81 BMW R 65 (new) that I put on 55K miles on, but marriage and kids put a squash on riding as priorities had changed. Forward 36 years; at 67, no wife, kids grown, and an itch that needed to be scratched. The itch was satisfied with a 23 Himalayan 411 cc machine (24.5 hp), yes, I looked at several other bikes including a KTM 390, but the Himi was the best fit for me. I have 4500 km on the machine now, and find it is great around town, and the rural roads of Mexico where I have retired to. The bike meets my needs except for highway travel, it responds fine to the 80 kph (50 mph) range and will do 110 (68 mph) on the flat, problem is traffic will be doing 120+. So, when the new water cooled Himalayan 450 (40 hp) that is supposedly lighter in weight I will acquire one of those.
I can’t say anything negative about my 2021 G310GS that I’m approaching 12,000 miles on. I purchased it new from the dealer in Eugene, Oregon and it has been pretty close to flawless, lightweight and a very enjoyable Moto. My last bike was an Aprilia ETV1000 Caponord and while I sometimes miss its 99 horsepower I do not miss its girth and weight in the least.
I think you'll enjoy the KTM 390 ADV more than the others. While all KTMs can go off-road, their road manners are always at the top of the heap. I had a 1190 ADV and took adventure classes with all the big BMW GS 1200s, and kept up just fine as a new rider. The bikes are more capable than we are as their pilots. If you wanna drag a knee, the KTM will do it. If you wanna go on a fire road, the KTM will do it. If you wanna commute, the KTM will do it. No complaints there. Happy riding, Señor.
You do realize the 1190 ktm and 1200 GS where more or less the same size? Otherwise i agree, i have the current gen KTM1290 SAS and it rips offroad with its rider being the big limiting factor
The 390 ADV is a small bike and gets blown around in the wind on the highway, more cramped ergonomics too. Was not nearly as comfortable for touring as the bigger bikes you mention.
@alexaiverson Agreed. He won't have it long before he realises his mistake. He'll also notice the unreliability especially coming from a Yamaha. Looking forward to the video "Why I'm selling my KTM 390".
Thanks for the honesty. I saw a guy total a snowmobile with under a mile on it. He was like watch this and you can fill in the rest. This is the best information I have found . Thank you.
I am also in Oregon and I also love spreadsheets. It's tough to narrow things down to just one bike with so many possibilities in Oregon. I am looking for something to learn on so I am leaning towards the Honda 250L. Once I figure out what kind of riding I like 50/50 or 30/70 pavement to non-pavement I can change from there. Sorry I can't help with your choice but good luck and happy rides.
I am 65, but I succeeded only once in lifting my CB500x. Lays also flat on the ground, and despite my Fortza 300 scooter is heavier, I can lift it with ease. But without doubt, the Tenere is far more (top) heavy. KTM has reliability issues, and BMW is in my country overpriced. The Honda CB500X is a bit of everything, but not extreme in anything either. Bullet proof.
If you want to relive the feeling you had when you started, I strongly suggest you try a TW200 for a couples of rides, specialy if you lean more on the of road riding side. Those lillte TDubs are amazing!
I had a similar predicament, minus your experience - I had not ridden a bike in 30 years, and was weakened by some medical issues. Went with the KTM 390. I regret it not one little bit. It handles well, and above all, it STOPS the shortest of all the ones you mentioned. It is good enough on the highway if needed, (I l cannot avoid them sometimes) wonderful on back roads at speeds of 30-65, and really enjoyable on curvy roads. I did 3000 miles in 1.5 years (95% backroads, 5 % dirt.) I'm attending dirtdaze NE 2023 this week so lots more (easy) dirt in my future. It also came with a lot of stuff standard (Abs front and back, traction control, "dirtnap" protectors and so on.) Lighter than a KLR 650, More torque and less revvy than the Versys 300, more power and a bit taller than a gs 310, Lighter than the CB500X. I hear a bit about reliability issues, but so far, so good - a bit early to tell yet. Oh, and thanks for the content!
I had a long list when I was looking for a bike, light weight and power were my main considerations. I settled on the CRF 450L, and with modifications, has suited my needs and wants better then I expected. Good luck making up your mind!
I appreciate your methodical approach. I will say i have a 30" inseam also , and tho it is a tall bike , my DRZ has been one of the best bikes, and given me more adventures than i can count(25,000 miles). The reliability is unreal. All i have done is put tires, sprockets and chains on it. I do the exact kind of riding you do in the Cascades outside of Tacoma. I am 63 now. I will say i am a very experienced dirt bike rider. But i wanted to add the DRZ is very good handling on the road. Even better than the dirt. That said, and knowing a bit about these kind of bikes i will say of the 5 on your list the KTM is it. There is a reason there are so many out there. They come from the factory with good components and you dont have to do much to it out of the box. Personally i think the big adventure bike thing is a hype and i would never take one of those off road. So i like your idea. I think you will have more fun. Good luck, rubber side down!
I am in the same boat as you are; I have been riding a BMW R1200 GSA and love it except for weight. I have ridden it all over the world in everything you can think of and can pick it up but its heavy. I have looked at the mid sized adventure bikes but the trade offs to date have kept me with my GSA. 50-70 lb savings are not enough to give up the tractor features of the GSA. I had a couple of trail mc’s that I sold and added/replaced with the BMW310GS. It is a respectable little MC but it is not a GSA or Tenure. Unless the bike is very light weight the 350-400 lb bikes are still heavy if they pin you to the ground if they fall on you. I know, I got caught under the 310 with my ankle pinned in the desert earlier this year and it took a bit of work to self extract myself when you can’t lever off anything. They aren’t a light weight trail Honda or KTM. Getting a light weight reasonably powerful mc that has the features you want and like is hard. I have 2 mc’s, the heavy weight I love and the light weight that is not the heavy weight but is respectable and I can carry it on the back of my motorhome. I’d love to just have one mc that behaved like the heavy weight. I am yet to find it. Keep the Tenure and enjoy it; I don’t think the 50-75 lbs savings will give you what you will miss in the Tenure from the power loss on the pavement. (I am 67)
Hi, I'm 58 years old and have similar concerns. I was in a serious mountaineering accident in my 20's and have a hip replacement as a result. I needed a bike I could lift, preferably a Honda. For travelling and some off road. This narrowed it down to the 250 Rally. Three years and 55000 km later I'm happy with my choice. You can do the maintenance yourself, parts are available everywhere. I've been to Croatia, the Baltics, the Autobahn, Nordkapp. All the best.
You should also add to your list new Honda Scrambler. It can do highway speeds and light off roading, Not a clunker also not too heavy. I think you’ll love it.
Enjoyed the video. Very much in parallel with you. 68 y/o and the V-Strom 650 seems to be getting more top-heavy every year. I ride a little Chinese 250 around Cuenca which is a blast to ride...light, nimble, and adequate power. So like you, I'm looking at the 400 class. The bike that I'm looking at to replace the 250 is the new Triumph 400 Scrambler.
I'm 64 years old and really appreciate your thoughtful attention to finding a bike that meets your needs. My own needs and desires are different - I'm a road rider with a longer inseam than yours, but your process and honesty about your capabilities are inspiring. Thanks for sharing. (Since I ride for a different purpose, I don't have any suggestions for you. My Kawasaki Versys 1000 is a very different bike that the smaller Versys models. It's best suited for sport touring. It's okay on dirt and gravel roads, but definitely isn't an adventure bike.)
hi from the UK. not sure if you get it in the US but there is a suzuki v strom 250 that looks great , there is a newer version of the cb500x and there are loads of after market accesories for it what ever you choose , ride safe and have fun
Thanks for the great video. I’m 64 with a 29” inseam. I chose a Yamaha WR250R because its 295 lb. weight, incredible engine, fully adjustable suspension, and large stator for accessories. I added a Yamalink lowering link and a lot of other accessories for adventure travel. I use the 21”/18” stock rims for off-road camping adventures and Warp9 supermoto rims for on-road and gravel adventures. For my needs, it seems to be the perfect set-up. Good luck with your selection process. I’m anxious to see what you end up with.
I looked for a WR250R forever for my first bike, for all of the reasons you mentioned. Went with a CB500X, but then found a DRZ that wasn’t clapped out. I’m excited to try SM wheels & have the off road setup for camping and exploring. The CBX is great, but the weight difference on the DRZ is noticeable; much easier to bring it back when I get caught off balance. Enjoy your WR!
im 37 and have never ridden a motorcycle but i enjoy your content. i am considering taking a course because the countryside on a bike has to be an awesome thing to witness.
I stared riding at 43 in 2017. I’m 49 now, 50 in a month. These last 6.5 years of riding have been the most enjoyable of my life. Don’t hesitate to take the MSF course. You won’t regret it.
Hey Bruce, I sold my T7 about a year ago and replaced it with a Versys-X. My girlfriend had already had her Versys-X for a couple of years and I'd set it up well for adventure touring so was very familiar with the bike. We have done a few tours including a 4000km Australian outback trip, the 300s go great!! We're heavier riders and load the bikes up with camping gear with no issues. I'm 6'4" & with bar risers & Seat Concepts tall seat it fits perfectly. Fuel capacity is a bonus. Both bikes also have upgraded (YSS) suspension. We do have dirt bikes as well for discovering our local trails (Gas Gas EC350F & Yamaha XT 250). Only negative for the Versys is the uncomfortable stock seat, easily remedied. I'm in numerous Versys-X groups online and owners all seem to love this bike. Definitely give the VX3 a go!!
I'm from Slovakia ... I'm 72 years old ... and I know exactly what it's about ... super great video ... my English is bad and I watch your UA-cam ... it's exactly for me ... thank you for all your videos and that's exactly what I experienced
I just watched this video. I have watched a number of your others. I am 72 years old and for the road I ride my Harley softail heritage classic. I know it's not an "adventure bike" but I was one of the first to get a Honda CRF300L (not the rally). I am about 5'6" and small and love the Honda. It can hold all the camping gear I could ever need (thanks to Nelson Riggs gear). I have a roto pack, MSR 30oz bottles, and paniers that have a gas tank under on the tool box side. I know it has tubes but they make tubes that are pretty much puncture proof or of course you can convert to tubeless. I did put a lowering link on mine and had a place in Medford shave the seat some. I did think about the Rally version but decided on the lighter L and have been more than happy with it. Again, I have seen a number of your videos. I don't think you live too far from my area in the very north eastern part of California. The only ones I ever let service my Harley are in Medford -Thunderstruck - The guys there are fantastic
Hi Bruce, I would also suggest that you consider the Suzuki DR650. I recently purchased a 2022 model to slot in between my Africa Twin and my CRF450L. I believe that it is the best 50/50 relatively lightweight bike on the market. With a few basic and affordable mods you can take this bike anywhere. It’s 80 lbs lighter than your Tenere (which I also considered), has a lower seat height and center of gravity, and it’s much more nimble at slow speed. The engine is smooth and powerful with 5th gear basically functioning as an overdrive allowing the bike to cruise comfortably at 70+. The carb is no big deal, once you get it jetted properly, the fueling on a CV carb is smoother and more reliable than fuel injection (no flame outs !). Aftermarket support for the DR is incredible, you make make this bike anything you want. Easiest bike to work on I’ve ever owned. There is a reason that Suzuki has been able to sell them for over 35 years.
I concur. Simple, reliable, and a good motor that doesn’t mind being ran up to 100mph. Really good on fast fire roads. Really stable. The KLR650 and XLR650 both feel twitchy above 70mph on dirt. The DR is rock solid at 90.
Great video!! I downsized from the T7 recently myself. I chose the CRF300L, but partly because I will keep two motorcycles. The other is an older ST1100 I picked up used. The CRF is tall, but manageable with so much sag in the stock suspension. If I go to a stiffer rear shock, I’ll have to use lowering links. I had lowered by T7 front and rear as well. Thank you for sharing this information!
Hi buddy, I've had my T7 2 years also, I am 46 years old 6'1ft and I've raced in Enduro most of my life, I also find the T7 to heavy for off road and it has a poor turning circle (lock to lock) it's fantastic on the road but if that's where you're at then there's better more comfortable road bikes! I have now ordered a Honda crf300 rally, I've had the privilege of testing one over a weekend and for me it's perfect, easy, light, smooth can sit at 70mph and very capable off road 👍🏼
You are speaking my language here. I’m almost 69 and have enjoyed my BMW 1150 gs for the last 6 years. Been on a few longer trips and a lot of local ones too. I love the bike but it is HEAVY and not an easy one to lift if I drop it. So I’m in the same boat as you. I have ridden a Honda 500 and loved it. The others you have listed are interesting and I’m looking forward to your final choice. Enjoy the rides you get to take. I live in a similar type area up here in SW Washington.
Hey Bruce great video and I like your honest and humble sharing. Good to see you're also on the mend! I too got my T7 in late spring of 21. I'm in my mid 60's and decided to jump back into riding after the pandemic was winding down and the kiddos finally left the nest. My last biIke was a Honda 550 4! That was 40+ years ago! I too recognize some of the short comings caused by the T7 weight and top heavyness. I ride mostly on hardpacked dirt roads and gravel mostly here in Vermont and only have 4600 miles, About twice a summer I ride with friends and travel to the lakes for some over nites. I do not enjoy riding on interstate mostly becuase I feel the T7 is abit underpowered for traveling comfortably long distances at 75+ MPH. I like your point about traveling slower speeds and country rodes to enjoy the ride. Good job wirh your evaluation on smaller Advet bikes . If I downsize I wiould probably stay with a Japanese bike due to the bullet prove dependability,. I must say with all the things I dont like about the T7 I enjoy the linear power in any gear and the giddy up of 70 horsepower and of courese the blackened look. Btw did you consider that Honda is coming out with an CRF LS 300 (lower seat) and therefore easier to ride. Ride safe!
You need to revisit the CRF300 Rally, I also dropped the CRF from a spread sheet due to seat height. I'm 5" 6", a friend got me to look at a CRF in person. It has a weight advantage over the rest, it makes a difference. Important if you don't push weights. Tall it is, but I could make it work, I dropped the seat height by 1.5" by using a modification I found on the internet, cost me noting and it can be returned to it's original seat height. Sure, less power, but the bike is lighter. I was homing in on to the KLR 300 Versys, the I had a closer look at the CRF.
I also had a Tenere for 2 years and downsized, totally understand your thought process! Ended up with a Versys 300 and am very happy with it. It’s a stable yet nimble and light-ish chassis with a great little revvy engine. The suspension is non adjustable but the stock valving is surprisingly good and well balanced for street and light off roading. 17 liter tank is nice and the bike is well put together. Only upgrades were a seat, adjustable levers and hand guards. Only thing I would want is a bit more power because it’s adequate but lacking in torque. KTM 390 is a great choice also I believe but I just have no faith in their reliability. Kawasaki should put their 399cc engine in the Versys ;)
I'm in my mid 60s and, in the past 5 years, I've owned or ridden a lot of the bikes on your list. The Versys 300 is a really good bike - among the best of the 7 you're considering. But, it revs very high and runs pretty hot. That was an issue for me in the the deserts of So Cal. I think the small BMW and KTM ADVs will disappoint you. I had a 390 and was less than impressed. The CB500X (great bike if upgraded at significant expense) and Enfield are too heavy per your specs (and mine). For the last year I've been riding an Aprilia Tuareg 660. It is by far the best ADV I've thrown a leg over. It's lighter, smarter and more comfortable than the T7 - and it has tubeless tires! That said, if I'm riding alone - as I often do - I hop on my KLX 300. And, if I could keep only one bike it would be the Kawasaki. Don't be too quick to dismiss the 300cc dual sports from Honda and Kawasaki. They might surprise you. I've owned both the CRF and the KLX. I prefer the KLX because its suspension is superior to the Honda's - at least for my 6' 2", 175 lbs frame. Good luck.
I'm 72 and just bought a Tuareg 660. It is a bit tall for me, but that can be fixed. I'm glad to hear positive reports about it. I was considering the CRF and KLX, but the Tuareg 660 checks more boxes, except for ultimate nimbleness, in comparison.
Like you I am an older gentleman and have downsized from larger bikes. I did this in stages until I purchased the ktm 390. Great bike for me, will go anywhere I want to take it off road, and fabulous on road. Like every bike it needs a few accesories, handguards, bar risers, skid plate etc. A couple of comments, it is quite a tall bike, so I dont think you will be cramped. You need to take it for a really good test ride to appreciate it's qualities, a spin around the block won't do it. Good knobbly adventure tires make a world of difference.
I’m 65 and have a Honda AT. I’ve dropped it about 10 times. Picking it up is no fun, however from how you describe how you use your hands and arms to pick up your T7. I suggest you use your legs, it’s a lot easier., no strain on your upper body. Hope this helps
All valid points mate. I'm 54 and just downsized from a DR650 to a CRF 300 Rally. So much easier to deal with, and crazy cheap on fuel- loving the new machine, perfect lightweight adventure bike 👍
I'm surprised you noticed a big difference between the two considering the numbers. I'm curious what you feel about that makes the differences for you?
The reality is, though, a CRF300L rally is 92% of the weight of a DR650 with 65% of the power. I have a DR650 and a 300 Honda and the Honda engine is great with long service intervals and is fuel efficient and insurance is cheaper for me but the benefits end there. A better downsize would be a KLX230.
Hi, I downsized from a 1250gs to Aprilia Tuareg 660 whilst it weighs the same as the Tenera on paper it is much smaller and carries it's weight lower down plus it comes with wire wheels that are tubeless and a few rider aids that are very easy to deal with. I couldn't believe how quickley I adapted back to standard forks which are fully adjustable as is the rear shock. I did find the suspension settled after about 4/500 miles. I'm 5ft8in with inside leg of 31in I've done 4250 miles on it during 4 months and haven't stopped smiling it's also very reassuring off tar even with the standard tyres which are Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR. Oh should say whilst the tank looks high it's actually the airbox the tank goes down below the seat. worth a checkout although dealers may be a bit far away in the US. I bought mine purely from watching the videos on UA-cam. Cheers Harry p.s. liked your honest appraisal.
@@mike.thomas I'm used to that as the BMW dealer was almost 2 hrs away but the Aprilia dealer is some 45 minutes. I bought mine blind,first time ever had only youtubed but am blown away with it. \if you can get a test ride do and try and find a dirt road too. Good luck as there's quite a few making the same move.
@@Harry-sb3op Thanks for the info. Yeah, the BMW dealer was also an hour away from me, but the local Indian dealership is picking up BMW, so that solves that problem if I keep the BMW. From everything I’ve watched (and I’ve watched a LOT) the Tuareg kind of splits the difference between all the available mid-size ADV bikes perfectly. I do hope to get a ride on one soon. There’s a possibility I go Husky/KTM 701/690, but those guys get a bit closer to my DRZ. Nice problems to have ;-)
I bought the BMW G310GS, pre-owned, very low miles with Rally Raid level 2 upgrade suspension, tubeless spoke wheels, noisier can and engine guards. It's light, plenty of power and torque. I'm 5'10'', aged 67. Perfect.
I went through the same logic process trying to decide what to buy. I bought a KTM 390 Adventure two years ago and currently have a little over 6000 miles on it over pavement, fire roads and parts of the ORBDR. I also ride solo and needed something I could pick up if dropped.
I was fortunate to pick up the CRF 300 Rally. I have extensive backpacking and hiking experience so am used to packing and traveling light. After following your adventures for a bit, the small Rally might be a bit out of your comfort level and rack-less luggage is crucial for that bike. I have to put a plug for the CB500X or the new 450 Himalyan. Good to see you recovered and fully back at it! Hope you find your unicorn 😊
I bought a Yamaha XT250 It will run all day at 65mph and gets 80mpg. Weighs 300 pounds wet. Plenty of power for a duel sport that does verywell on backroads at highway speed (65mph) and very nimble on the trails, back tire is tubless on my 2024 model . I go on excursions with it head from town to town, farm country into the hills to relax and camy and enjoy making long distance contacts using a QRP ham CW transceiver.
Thank you for such a informative post. Im coming from a dirt bike background but due to illness cant do single trail anymore so ive adventurised my DRZ 400E. I can't even pick it up and therefore find it a bit tall. Ive been thinking about a bigger bike to allow for much longer trips and like you ive found every bike has different advantages and ive been unable to make up my mind. Ive included the 650gs as well, which although heavy has a low centre of gravity. Looking forward to seeing what you get
This video got me to thinking about the seat height on my newly acquired 07 DRZ400s. It came with the low Concept seat which brings it to a 35" seat height. Then when I sit on it, the sag brings it to 32.5". I'm putting some 1" lowering links and will lower the front end by the same amount. The bike has an ample amount of clearance so I don't see this as a problem. I figure a 31.5" seat height will be fine for my 30" inseam. I've also noticed the sag drops after I've been riding for a little while so the seat height with me on it might be as low as 30" after a mile or two of riding. I won't be flat-footing it but I won't be on my toes either. Now to look at your video list to see which bike you chose.
I too am over 70, and have downsized my road bike for exactly the same reason - weight! I also bought an off road bike - the BMW G310 GS and fitted it with some Rally raid items. It is easy for me to pick up, even fully loaded with camping gets, extra fuel and water. It has gone everywhere that ai have been brave enough to venture (and that includes some very gnarly tracks). My wife has one the same, and we have done around 25,000 kms on them with no problems at all. They sip fuel, do everything we want and have tubeless tyres (since fitting the Rally Raid wheels). We are planning to keep them until we can’t swing a leg over them! All the best from New Zealand. Our UA-cam channel has some videos of them and how we have them setup.
Just landed on your channel as I am mulling over whether to get a bike at age 72. I rode a small bike as a teenager but not at all since then. I'm recently retired. Lots of time on my hands. People think I am crazy to even consider it. We shall see. Sub'd and followed.
Good video, thank you! I started riding “late” at 57 and put 4K miles on a Triumph Tiger 660, including a week and over 800 miles at North Carolina ‘s famous roads. I love that bike! We did some gravel roads but I would need better tires to do maybe 80/20. Anyways, the Tiger has 80HP, the more on that category, and it’s just over 400 lbs. Good luck and ride safe!
I sold my Harley in 2019 and in fall of 2022 decided I wanted to return to riding. I ordered a smaller lighter BMW G310 GS. It was delivered in January 2023. The bike has preformed flawlessly, and my Jacksonville FL BMW dealership, as well as other BMW motorrad dealerships I've stopped at across the country are a pure joy. At 6 ft tall with a 30 inch inseam, the bike fits perfectly, and the light 380 lb. wet weight is easy to handle, and the fuel economy of 72-74 mpg is fantastic. The down side is the bike is light, and as such side winds can be an issue. The bike likes on the road speeds of 45-60 mph, so if you plan on riding highways allot then I would recommend you keep the T7. Off road, due to being 65, I only ride improved dirt roads. I leave the technical and deep sand stuff for the younger riders so the stock rims and tyres are fine.
Great channel. I'm right where you are -- 68 and facing similar issues and questions. I made my own similar spread sheet. I ended up getting a lightly used Versys 300X ABS and have been very happy with it. It feels substantial, but is not too heavy, a reliable Japanese twin that looks great. (Altho I like13th earl's suggestion about changing out the sprocket for a little more room in first gear.) I just spent a weekend at an adventure rally on a relatively new RE Himilayan, which I liked and felt very confident riding. It had some great features but felt buzzy, and build quality seemed less solid to me. When the owner lent it to me, they told me to ignore certain indicators or sounds because it was" just part of the bike". Small scramblers might just fit your bill. Just saw an Australian review which made me look again at the Bennelli Leoncino 500 Trail which I think comes in at about 400lbs.
I am 65 retired with similar riding experience as you. I own a KTM 390 in the Philippines (where I spend half the year) and an Aprilia Taureg 660 in the US for BDR type rides. I have had a steep learning curve off road on the Tuareg, broken bones and such but I am younger than you and finally getting it down. I came very close to getting the T-7 before I bought the Tuareg and I sat on one at a dealership. The T-7 felt very tall to me, but that didn't really matter because I am 6'3". To the point: You will love the 390, no question, it is so much easier to maintain your balance after a big bike like the T7. Mine came with alloy wheels and no tubes but the US version may come with spokes and tubes. The engine is the balls, so much fun but not scary powerful. I think the American one has better tech than mine too, an added plus for you to have adjustable front shocks and a traction control button. Any way best of luck and stay safe.
I would encourage you to go back and look at the Suzuki. I currently ride a Triumph Tiger 800. Now in my 60s, I experiencing many of the same issues you brought up. My youngest son begin riding on a DRZ 400. After installing lowering links, this turned out to be a great bike for him. On the recent ride, I took the opportunity to ride it and was amazed at the "freeing" I felt with the light weight. I agree about low on power but it truly was an excellent bike. I still find myself shaking my head and surprised at how much I liked it.
Good to know that there are more people thinking about downsizing. I'm actualy riding a Triumph Speed Twin 1200, low seat, low center of gravity and for a 1200 quite low weight. Beeing now 68 I'm coming to the point asking my self if I really need this power: I'm riding mostly slow on narrow roads. Avoiding highways is nearly impossible where I live, but more comfort i.e. suspension travel and less weight (< 180 Kg) would be nice. Your spread sheet contains the most bikes I am thinking about. I've seen a comparison UA-cam video from MCN about KTM 390, Himalayan and GS 310 that I think could be helpful to decide. Have you heard about the Triumph 400 X, beeing lunched at end of this year in Europe? Should line up as small Scrambler 1200 XC . . .
I’d really like to suggest the DR650 as well. It’s a great platform for building the bike you want. I have an African Twin I love but have all the issues you have with the T-7. So my research lead me to the DR650. I love that it’s carbonated. It’s such an amazing yet basic bike.
At 77 years, 6.1" with 31inch inside leg. I've owned and ridden lots of big adventure bikes over the years. But like yourself, three years ago, I decided to down size from my Multi Strada. My riding here in the UK is 70/ 30 Road and trail. I bought a CB 500X and added bars , heated grips and luggage.. Best move ever for me, the bike is fun to ride on road and trail. Comfortable, long distances loaded with gear not a problem, with excellent mpg. Don't really miss the big cubes on Ducati except on motorways, which I try to avoid.. Would highly recommend you try one out. The new model now has improved braking and suspension and would be a big plus....The few extra pounds in weight over the other options should not be a deal breaker. If you really want spoked wheels, "Rally Raid" can supply along with good luggage and other accessories. Given the price of the Honda with any extras, it would still be a lot cheaper than the cost of a new T7.....Happy shopping 😊
I would HIGHLY suggest that you make the effort to ride any bike you are considering. Example, you feel the KTM must be a smaller package, and you will find the opposite. I bought one last year, and everyone that sees/sits on it says this looks/feels like a full-size bike. After you ride it for an hour in town, you will be used to the seat height. I am 64, 5'9", with 30" inseam. This summer, I rode a rally in AZ, half the NMBDR, and took advanced training in Utah. The 390 is so capable... non-owners just don't understand it. I would buy one with cast wheels for the tubeless tires. Along with your normal upgrades that bikes need, I would put a 14T sprocket on the front. The bike will chug up anything.
The CB500X has a ton of aftermarket accessories, the fuel economy is great and it has typical Honda bulletproof reliability. That's the bike I would go for if I wanted to do cheaper, no-fuss touring and offroad riding. No KTMs unless you enjoy hanging out at your dealer workshop 😅
Did you look at the DR650? I moved down from the big BMW to it and after some mods fits my needs well. 65-70 on the freeway no problem, can run fire rodas to single track. Seat height of 34, but I got a lowered seat and I', 5'7". Been the same bike since the 80's so parts are available and aftermarket support is big. Downside it's carborated. But at 368lbs might work for ya.
I like Carbs, Being 1 cylinder, you can easily drop bigger Flat side carbs and make Major power for dirt cheap, you can also get Carbs that adjust for altitude on the fly. If you're buying a motorcycle with 2 or 4 Carbs, then it becomes a real annoyance.
I have both a T7 and a CRF300L. Low 80's. Combination tarmac and gravel roads. Bought a factory low seat and lowered the T7. Retained the low seat but recently removed the lowering links and adjusted the rear preload to minimum to lower the seat height. Increasing sag on the T7 worked better for me. I bought a Dirt Napper and that solved my T7 lifting problem. EASTBOUND also has a lift. I keep a bike lift on the Honda as well because if you fall and tweak your knee, you may not be able to lift even a lighter bike. I thought the CRF300L seat height would be an issue. The CRF300L sags a lot and works OK for me as purchased. The idea was to ride the CRF300L more on gravel to develop more confidence on the T7 and that seems to be working. You may miss the sound and power of the T7.
Having done a test ride on one this year, my opinion of the Tenere is that if you don't *need* the ground clearance the bike offers, it isn't the bike for you. Im 6'2 and I'd be more confident taking heavier, lower bikes off-road because I can at least get my feet planted! Since you mentioned liking the Honda CL350 back in the day I reckon you should give the new CL500 a try.
I would suggest adding the Suzuki DR650SE to your list given your checklist. I believe it would hit most of them except for the tubeless tires. I recommend this one from personal experience and from thousands of reviews for reliability/durability. Good luck with your choice!
I’m 66, 6’4”, and have a dr650 that you should consider in your list. It is 1” lower than the drz400. It is a a light (370 lbs.), inexpensive,@$7K, reliable, very customizable dual sport. Not top heavy. If you want more road capable, V-strom650. But nothing wrong with others on your list.
Try a KTM 690/Husqvarna 701 SM (not enduro). Has a 34” seat, 335 pounds, tubeless and 74 HP. I’m 74 and ride a Husqvarna 701 Enduro and BMW 1200GS. I can still pick up the 701 but not the 1200.
Hi Bruce, I'm age 60 and a new rider. Im 6'0 195lbs with a 32 in inseam. I own the Versys 300x and I've looked at all the bikes on the list. First off all these bikes are small compared to a full size bike like the T7. The BMW and KTM are even smaller than the Versys and Honda. I really liked the KTM but I felt like I was sitting on top of the bike and leaning forward a little more than I liked. Seat was 33 in tall. Honda fit and finish was superior to the other bikes and ergonomics felt good. You sit into the bike more than on top of the bike. But considerably cost more. The Versys has good ergonomics and runs good and you sit down into the bike more than on top of it. Seat is 32in hi. After putting 3k miles on the Versys I will say it can do it all. But 1st gear is like a tractor so all my street riding I start in second gear. It likes to rev and it is a bit buzzy on the Highway around 75mph. The bike does lack the passing power but can do probably 95mph. It's very good at back roads where your doing between 40 and 60. It does gravel well too. That being said I didn't ride it but I thing the Honda is the best of the bikes your looking at. I don't trust KTM that it won't leave me stranded. And the BMW is bit small.
I’m 74 and own a 2021 KTM 390 Adventure. I’ve been riding since I was 19 and to be honest I have had more fun on this bike than any other bike. One caveat is that the spoke wheel version has tube tires. I haven’t had any issues with the cast wheels and plugging a tubeless is a huge plus for me. With 6000 miles it has been dependable with just normal maintenance. I did add the Powerpart seat which made it more comfortable. I think you would be very happy with this bike. Good luck with your shopping.
Great to hear that you are still in the saddle, I've not stopped riding since I got a moped at 16 back in the 80's. I think that motorcycling is either in your blood or not, I never want to stop.
@@steveclark..I’m the same way. When I turn 90 I’ll just get someone to strap me to the Bike with some kind of Back Support, and maybe some kind of Arm Support. Then I’ll be on my way. By then, they will probably all be Automatic Transmissions so that will make it easier also. I might need a Oxygen Machine rigged up also.👍👍
Interesting video even for a 30 year old like myself. Lots of respect sir, I just subscribed. All these reasons you have pointed out are the reason I went with a TW200 but I can understand why you didnt even consider it haha. It's no street bike and it's kinda small.
For the older riders that still do 50% or more on dirt roads, I recommend the 250 lb KTM EXC-F bikes. Owned them for 20 years. They come with good 50/50 tires that you can add tubeless but the super light weight and horsepower makes them agile for easy quick turning on pavement or dirt, especially helpful for an older rider is the low center of gravity as this is felt in every axis. You can ride to 65 on the highway and with soft bags they are great urban tourers for errands and day trips. There are lots of off the shelf plug and play upgrade options and protection parts you can add but are great as is. They handle drops without any damage and you won't find an easier bike to handle in the 35+ hp category. Negatives are no traction control or ABS safety tech, not good for interstate travel, a higher price than cheaper heavier bikes in this category and the 37" seat height. They commonly get the 2" lowering suspension done and the lower seat. I find this is the best bike per pound in the shed because of the engine performance, weight and great stock suspension. If you are just taking short pavement mostly trips for errands, etc. a Scooter maybe your next best easy riding option. Any day you can ride in nice weather on two wheels is a great day!
Hi Bruce, absolutely getting your points and like the way you share your thoughts with humor. IMHO the fantic caballero 500 may be a cool bike for your needs. Don't know if you get these in the states. Specs 820 mm seat height, 157 kg wet, around 40 hp, and 40 Nm torque should be enough. Good luck and keep enjoying your rides. Cheers
I down sized to a CRF250L a few years ago. I put a 3.5 gallon IMS tank on it along with a Tusk luggage rack with Rigg-gear dry bags, replaced the seat and added a stiffer rear spring and a lowering link. It is my primary commuter bike for my arduous 6 mile commute. It is great off road, gets 70-85 mpg on regular gas and is great for over night moto camping. Sometimes a spread sheet does not show how the sum of the parts act together. BTW I'm 5'6" with a 27" inseam.
I sold my Tenere 700 thanks to age/bike weight/solo riding, and am now loving my KTM 390 Adventure. It is brilliant on the road, weighs nothing, and can carry a load all day long.
@@leecourt8509 Not on my 2020. Over 80mph it does, but any single would. Brilliant wee bike, never let me down, heading off camping in the morning on it.
@@leecourt8509 I had a R.E. Himalayan (it went back to R.E. after 1 year due to total mechanical failure). I had a crf250L. The ktm ticks all the boxes for me. Light weight, awesome handling and brakes, quick without a daft top speed. My one concern was that it might not be a good bike for just chilling out and bimbling along. Today I rode for 2 hours and was so zoned out it was like I'd had a sauna and a great night's sleep. 40mph in 5th gear and 81mpg (uk miles per gallon) Can't recommend it enough. Plus all the awesome things like traction control and lean sensitive abs and backlit lighting. Owned bikes for 41 years, and the wee ktm is up there with any of the bikes I've owned.
I also live in Oregon and am 62 and feeling my age. I had a KTM 1090R and started to be concerned about being able to pick that up since I ride alone a lot. I decided to supplement that with a smaller bike and bought a 2020 KTM 390 Adventure. Once I had the 390 I almost never rode the 1090. I then decided to sell the 1090 and bought a T7, hoping it would still give me the big bike experience in an easier to handle package than the 1090. Unfortunately, for me, the T7 was a big disappointment, It felt nearly as heavy and awkward to handle as the 1090, while giving up massive power, 200 mile plus fuel range, and tubeless tires. I then sold the T7 and bought an 890R, and that bike absolutely nails it. It feels almost as easy to handle as my 390, but almost as powerful as the 1090. For what you are looking for, the 390 is hands down the bike. It is road biased but great for gravel/dirt roads, and has a 200 plus fuel range, tubeless tires, reasonably low seat height, reasonably low weight, all day 70MPH cruising capability, and is still fun to rip through the gears.
Sir the TW200 all the way . Its a blast to ride and its a go anywhere bike . Im even of thinking getting one and Im 56 yrs old . I have a 1990 DR350s . But Im sure you will find whats right for you . But that TW is a hoot
As a life long dirt rider, I can tell you the over 400cc Adventure bikes are a compromise offroad to get better long distance road manners than dual sports. Sounds like your off roading is in moderation. I think test rides are a must before you pick another bike. I think either the CRF 300 or the Versys 300 could be made for you. The Honda will be better off road and the Versys on road. Most bikes can be lowered front and back, I believe the CRF can. But for 70/30 the Versys with adventure tires sounds like the bike for you.
I love watching your videos. Most of what you discuss is pertinent to me. In this video, you mentioned something about a motorcycle winch. Can you say the name? I do a lot of riding alone on a Himalayan. Because it’s heavy and falls flat when it goes over, I need something to help me get it upright. So glad you’re still riding, even after the accident may have shaken your confidence a little. I look forward to seeing more of your adventures.
I’m just a few years younger than you. 5’8” with. 30 inch inseam. I did the TAT coast to coast summer of 21. I currently ride a BMW F800GS. Did the MABDR on it as well. I’m downsizing as well to smaller bike to do all the western BDR’s. I’ve narrowed it down to the Honda crf300 rally and the KTM390 adventure. While on the TAT I met a group of young men all riding KTM390’s. They were professional dirt bike riders. Two of them competed in the x games. They did 3 passes in Colorado on the stock bikes loaded down. They had zero problems. We rode together for several days. They kept up with me no problem on roads at 70-80mph. The lower clearance of the KTM wasn’t an issue for them. Just an fyi even though the crf 300 has a tall seat height it squats considerably to where even my short self can touch the ground fairly well.
I feel you have made many valid points. A few will require a unicorn motorcycle to fulfill but going to a smaller displacement motorcycle will solve some issues with the T7 you had. Personally, I wouldn't bother going tubeless if you are going off-road. You are just as likely to bend a rim or tear out a tire sidewall as you are getting a nail/screw. Inevitably, you'll want a tube and all associated tools along anyway. Anything smaller in displacement is going to have tube tires unless you get something that has cast alloy rims....which aren't good for off road. In regards to seat height, for dual sport motorcycles, if you plan on going off road, the only motorcycle with a lower seat would potentially be a Yamaha XT250.
I also have a 30" inseam. While the T7 appears fantastic, weight and seat height are my conserns as well. The Suzuki DR650 might be a good alternate: 366 lbs and 33" seat. oh, I'm 65 yrars old. Love your channel!
I have a DR650 all set up for desert riding. I would describe it as tall and top heavy with my configuration. Stiff suspension, knobby tires, and big tank. You could set one up to be a lot lower with a lowering link and all that. The good thing is it is like the Ford F150 of motorcycles.
@@BarryJoeBaileyThe DR650 has a lower seat height than the 400, and the link can be set to lower it even more. It has no radiators to break. The center of gravity is actually quite low. It will easily run up to 100mph and not feel like you are hurting it. It will cruise easily at 75-80mph. And it is really good on fast dirt roads.
Dont blame you mate. Resently REALLY down sized from my Kawasaki Vulcan VN900 to a Royal Enfield Classic 350. One of the best decision I've made in my 50 years of biking. Back to pure basic zero mode soul biking. Same as in the glorious Mods and Rockers 60s.
Hi, I’m in a similar position and have a nice but heavy BMW F800GS. The new Triumph 400 Scrambler X might suit your needs but it’s not out until January and I don’t know if it’ll make the US market. The other bike is a Honda CRF300 Rally rather than an L version. It’s a tiny bit heavier but not by much and has the bigger tank and fairing. Maybe worth a look. G
As a 5'4" woman in her mid 50's who wanted to learn how to ride on dirt while still having the ability to A) pick up the bike, and B) keep up with interstate traffic, I also analyzed a series of motorcycles using a chart listing all the requirements and used grading scale to add points for each characteristic (a man after my own heart). The total score produced the top 4 contenders on your list! (TLDR - the Honda and Versys were the final two contenders).
Luckily, I had the opportunity to sit on all 4, which I believe to be imperative before buying. Bikes like the Himalayan looked great on paper, but the engine configuration and general layout were uncomfortable for me. The DRZ was just too tall and too narrow for my purposes. So the choice really came down to the Honda CB500X and Kawasaki Versys X300. While the Honda was much more comfortable (and the one I believe you would enjoy the most), it was also heavier, so I ended up buying the Versys X300.
The Versys engine is a high revving sports version taken from the Ninja - alarming after riding low revving cruisers for 30 years! It required a change to a 15-tooth front sprocket to make it manageable at lower gears (huge improvement in slow motion throttle control) and lowered the RPM without affecting the computer. But that, and a Seat Concepts upgrade, has made the Versys my constant companion for over 11,000 miles now. Mine is outfitted with T-Rex engine guards (Highly Recommended over OEM), a Ricochet bash plate, bark busters, higher windshield, and soft-luggage supports. It's been this way for the full 11K miles and I'm FINALLY going to add a lowering kit so I'm not on my tip-toes.
Finding the right bike is highly personal. I wish you luck on your journey! Honestly, though, I couldn't be happier with the handling, flexibility, and lightness of the Kawasaki Versys X300.
Hi, really like your comment and thought it was well done. Could I asked what taller windscreen did you buy? Thanks for any help.
Great comment. You've been researching. I have been riding since 1987. All bikes are a compromise. Just like your partner - LOL! You have to find one that works well enough all of the time to get along. It's really easy to get a new bike or change it. Not so for your partner. Both took me some trial and error. But you can change bikes like socks without having your feelings hurt. From what you said, I would start with something small like a Suzuki DR200 and learn dirt riding. It will not be safe in the highway. Max speed about 60, and you are wringing it's neck.
As a Versys 650 owner I can't but appreciate the Versys 300; I, too, considered it for my next buy, but here in Italy it comes with tubes, that is a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.
I am 64 this year and just bought a Suzuki DR650
I couldnt be happier. Best bike i ever owned. Old school, simple, looks great,value for money and never ages.
Yay John, I am 66 and I just did 9500 kms (I guess 7000 miles) on a DR650 around remote parts of Australia. Lowered it 25 mm which is very straightforward if you shorten the side stand. I also put on a different seat (Sargent) and a 25 Litre Acerbis tank and I am good for 520km (About 300 miles) range. Great fuel economy and did everything I asked of it. I also weighs a lot less than 450 pounds and I can pick it up on my own.
I’m 75 and I’ve circled around to DR 650. I lowered it the factory way front and rear and a seat concepts Lowered seat I couldn’t be happier.
I have gone through the same thought process. I down sized from an Harley at 840 lbs to a Yamaha xt 250. Too small. May of 2022 I got a Ktm 390 adventure. That works fine. My riding now is about same as yours. I’m little older at 80.
I looked at 390 and preferred the 500x I couldn't even notice the weight difference between them. And a 390 single is really not much engine. 390 has better suspension. But it depends what the use is going to be.
@@chrishart8548Might check out Oregon motorcycle channel. They did a speed test of the 390 vs 500. The guy on the 390 was heavier. The 390 pulled away from the 500. Interesting comparison, couple different videos
The 390 can also be tuned and tweaked to put out much more power than it does.@@chrishart8548
I am 85 and loved my X300 . Had been riding bikes for 67 years. I found my choice for a smaller bike was the x300 , but I wish I opted for the abs . You sound like me when you are making a choice . There is no doubt in my mind I made the best choice. Good luck,
I downsized from a BMW 1200gs to a royal enfield himalayan and have been more than happy. I do about 50:50 riding and also live close to the forest and blm roads/trails. The weight has not been an issue really because the himalayan carries its weight pretty low and is very well balanced.
As to height, Itchy Boots is 5'6" and loves her Honda 300 L Rally. She recently stated that she has no plans to purchase any different bike. In addition, she has changed the suspension and loves soft luggage. She does not want tubeless tires, as her wheels are spoked and loose spokes cause leaks in tubeless tires. Instead, she tries to keep thick treads on her tires and does so by changing them before they get fully worn down. She has not had problems with flats as a result. Another thing she looks at is standard mileage maintenance requirements, such as required oil and filter changes. This is a strong point of this 300 Rally that she loves...
I’ve been riding a Harley Electraglide for 20 years and a Honda Goldwing for as long before. I started riding on a Honda 50 in 1968. I bought my friends 1986 BMW R80RT, another touring bike, 3 years ago because I knew the day was coming when I would give my Harley to my son, because I no longer felt safe on it with my wife in the back. That happened two weeks ago on a trip to the Black Hills, S. Dakota from my home in Wyoming. I injured my leg when placing my foot wrong at a stop and zinged my ankle, knee and hip. I rode home in pain and it took two weeks to recover. My wife said she no longer will ride with me on that bike. Getting old is a bitch. I’m glad I bought my friend’s BMW. It feels featherweight compared to the Harley and I love riding it. I had a new one in 1986 which I regretted selling. Keep the shiny side up!😎👍
I am 72 and down sized to the CRF300L Rally. The only thing that is a con for me is the seat height. I put a low concept seat on and that helped a little. I have ridden from Chelan WA to the Giant Loop ride twice now and it has worked very well for me. I put all the usual protective gear on it and put on a new shock and front spring in fork for my weight. It handle just fine on the highway and gets 70 mpg or better. It tends to be a little top heavy but no worse than the DRZ400S witch I have ridden and had to pick up. For the kind of ridding you have described I personally don't think the horse power of any of these bikes really matters all that much. I have ridden the Himalayan and it will do 65 mph just fine and my CRF300L Rally will do 80 mph and will cruise along loaded down with camping gear at 65 mph all day long with out a problem and still get 70 mpg. I carry about 40 lb of gear in the Giant Loop Great Basin bag with there Tillamook bag strapped on top. I have there smaller panier bags strapped up front and a handle bar bag and a fender bag strapped to my wind screen because it will not fit on the front fender. So that is my two bits worth.
... I'm 67 on a 2021 CRF 300 Rally with a lot of up grades. I love it.
. Jeff .
From one aging rider to another - good thinking, sir!
Something can be said for getting a little older & wiser. Like, that we do not need all those hp to impress others or ourselves.
I hope the accident has not left too deep scars mentally, but might even help you to enjoy the rides while you can!
Enjoy the process of picking your new bike and have tons of fun with it (as I am sure you will).
Best wishes from Denmark.
I’m not sure if someone has mentioned this yet, but the spoked version of the 390 Adv has tubed wheels. The cast wheel version is tubeless. For your riding style the cast wheels should be plenty strong. I got to ride a KTM 390 duke and versys 300x around the west coast of Ireland and would take the KTM engine all day. It’s so engaging and fun to use. I haven’t ridden the adv, but I would expect the riding dynamics to be similarly entertaining. There is also the triumph scrambler 400 coming out this winter that looks like a great small displacement option if you aren’t doing much more than fire roads. Happy travels!
I am 73 and recently went with a Yamaha XT250 for off-road-oriented dual-sport riding together with a Kawasaki Versys 650 for highway wanderings. I have the minimum legally-required insurance coverage on the XT250. The Versys is not really suitable for gravel roads; but you can do that standing on the pegs and staying loose. I have a 30” inseam and I am done with tall bikes. My previous bike was a Honda CRF450L. I loved it; but it was waisted on me. If I has a 32” inseam, I would have kept it. By the way, the Honda and the Yamaha are a a breeze to upright. The Kawasaki, even at about 500 pounds isn’t really bad in that regard, but I would not take it into the woods or into deep sand! The XT can handle camping gear if you stay on mild trails. Good off-road tires are a must.
Honda CRF300L (RRP Suspension) is my current 'down size' Works great!
Interesting conundrum... I've owned a couple of these (CB500X and CRF300L, my current ride). I liked the 500X, but I found it pretty heavy and the rear shock was a disaster over bumps - it likes to buck you off. Maybe they've addressed this, it was a few years ago that I owned one. Great fuel economy though, and fine on the highway.
The 300L is pretty great actually, but I understand your reservations. As to the seat height, it squats pretty good when you get on so it's not that bad - try one out if you can, it will go literally anywhere, and the power is pretty good as it's so light.
If you want pure fun and simplicity, take a look at a Honda CT125 TRAIL (or a GROM even?) - not acceptable for the interstate, but for everywhere else (at your stated preferred slow pace) I bet it would be great. VERY light as well, and 100mpg plus.
Good luck on your hunt.
I just watched user name Kate ride the 2023 cb500x and it seams the back end does still buck. That's rather unfortunate
@chrishart8548 Upgrade the rear suspension, then .
I did pretty much the same process for my own purchase, with many of the same criteria. I'm 61, 5'7", with a year of riding experience on bikes as large as a BMW GS1150R. One downside of the Versys 300X is that the HP and torque is higher in the rev range, so you'll need to give it throttle to get through some stuff the Himalayan can just chug through. Also, keep in mind that it's not just the price (and weight) of the bike, but also the price (and weight) to fit the bike out. So go ahead and price in things like bash plates and engine guards (and factor them into the weight). My spreadsheets say that the CB500X is the best bike for my needs, but, after that came the CRF 300 LS (not available yet) and the Himalayan Scram 411. I ended up getting the Scram 411, because it's the best bike for my current abilities and how I intend to ride it. It rides fine at 60mph, and I'm not really interested in going any faster. I've only got 1,000 miles on it so far, but I'm quite happy that I made the right choice (for me).
Thank you for your analysis. I, too, am a senior (80), 6' 2", and ride a KLR 650 in and around my NE Oregon community. For the same reasons as you've noted, I have often considered downsizing and find your information very useful. One parameter I'd add is dealership availability. Riding or hauling my bike 200 or 300 miles for dealer services has been a "deal killer". My KLR dealer is less than 40 miles away.
Have had both the CB500X and the Versys 300X. I am 6 feet tall and found the Versys way comfier once I sorted out the plank they give you instead of a seat. I increased the front sprocket to 15 teeth which gets rid of the insanely short first gear and also allows you to cruise at 70 - 80mph in comfort. It really loves to rev! The CB500x had a sportier riding position but also has a gem of a motor. Not quite as revvy but that bit more power. I still regret selling them both but needs must.
Great feedback just think your cruising speed might be a little more then needed :)
I have the T7 as well and have looked at everything and the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure keeps coming out on top. I have watched a lot of reviews and the 390 surprises a lot of really good riders. One UA-camr, Adventure Matt, gives very honest reviews on the 390 and he also owns a T7 and says he'd choose the 390 any day over the T7. Good luck with your decision.
I owned a 390 ADV for 6 months and sold it for a KLR. If you're mostly riding it around on the street then I'd say it's fine. It's lightweight so gets blown around on highway pretty easily, you have to make a lot of mods to get it to be comfortable in the dirt, seat was not comfortable for me, can not carry a lot of weight properly without upgrading the shock. Moving to a 21 inch front wheel was very noticeable to me offroad, ergonomics aren't cramped anymore, KLR feels much more stable with longer wheelbase on the dirt, much more planted on the highway. Just some thoughts. I thought I'd want a smaller bike at first, but small comes with its downsides too.
Changed the doo-hicky yet?@@red-moto
Agree, Adventure Matt is a great resource. I have a 390Adv and love his channel.
I enjoyed your little talk. I'm 76 and I've also been riding most of my life. I started on an Alstate MoPed at 13. I have not purchased an Adventure bike but I'm considering doing so. I've gone through the same thought process as you but still can't decide. I'm very interested to see what you ultimately do.
It is hard to beat the 250 lb KTM EXC-F bikes if you are taller. They come with good 50/50 street/dirt tires and the super light weight and horsepower makes them agile for easy quick turning on pavement or dirt. Can ride at 65 on the highway and with soft bags they are great commuters. I had one EXCF suspension lowered down 4" for a shorter inseam rider and one at full height. There are lots of off the shelf upgrade options and protection parts you can add but are great as is. They handle drops without any damage and so easy to pick up. Not at all good for longer interstate trips though but there is no fun in that for any two wheel bike, for my taste.
Of the ones you mentioned, the KTM 390 is the one I consider a relative no-brainer. It’s powerful and well-appointed for the money, with a very good suspension. If you’re shorter of inseam (I am 6’ with a 30” inseam, too), it should not feel too terribly small at standover, but you will probably have to adjust reach a bit. I can’t remember whether the 390 has the 3 locators for the bar clamps like other KTM ADV bikes. If it does, Bob’s your uncle because it’s a very simple operation to move the clamps forward to get you a bit more stretched out.
I have to say I did a 🤔 when you said you didn’t want a dual sport, yet included the DRZ and the CRF in your list. They are most certainly dual sports, and both are very good tools for that job, for different reasons. I have a DRZ myself, with a properly set up suspension, and yeah, I practically need a step ladder to get onto it, and I’ve fallen over at 0mph by misjudging where my foot is going a couple of times. However, I think it makes a great light camping platform, just to gainsay your comment regarding dual sport camping capabilities 😉.
Best of luck with your decision. I’m considering doing something similar moving from the DRZ, but maybe moving to a KTM 350 or 500exc-f to get ultra-light, with the trade-off of ultra-high seat. Trade-offs!
Edit: how about adding Triumph’s new 400 scrambler to your list. You could go back to the future and relive your scrambler days. I do not know much about it yet, though. Maybe worth a study?
Your candid, informative discussion is certainly helpful for anyone who may be interested in "downsizing" or shopping for a smaller adventure machine. I've recently downsized from my '02 Kawi Concours to a '22 Kawi KLR650. I find the KLR "Adventure" model to be very easy to handle compared to my '94 HD Ultra Classic highway touring bike and the Concours "commuter" bike. For '23 Kawi has introduced the KLR650S, "S" for short. Revzilla has a nice evaluation off that machine in its Common Tread blog. Good luck in your selection!!
Very nice video, and relevant to me as I'm grappling with the same sort of issues. I'm 64, 5'10", 155, 32" inseam with a base Africa Twin. It is a great bike in many ways but it is heavy, a bit top heavy, and offers more horsepower than I need. I do have some long-distance trips planned which makes me hesitant to downsize just yet. Glad to see your video as I'm sure there are many folks in our shoes. Seat height itself is a such an issue that I wonder why so few manufacturers are addressing it.
I fall into the returning rider category, first bike a 78 Honda Hawk 400 (new) that I put 20K miles on, second bike an 81 BMW R 65 (new) that I put on 55K miles on, but marriage and kids put a squash on riding as priorities had changed. Forward 36 years; at 67, no wife, kids grown, and an itch that needed to be scratched. The itch was satisfied with a 23 Himalayan 411 cc machine (24.5 hp), yes, I looked at several other bikes including a KTM 390, but the Himi was the best fit for me. I have 4500 km on the machine now, and find it is great around town, and the rural roads of Mexico where I have retired to. The bike meets my needs except for highway travel, it responds fine to the 80 kph (50 mph) range and will do 110 (68 mph) on the flat, problem is traffic will be doing 120+. So, when the new water cooled Himalayan 450 (40 hp) that is supposedly lighter in weight I will acquire one of those.
I can’t say anything negative about my 2021 G310GS that I’m approaching 12,000 miles on. I purchased it new from the dealer in Eugene, Oregon and it has been pretty close to flawless, lightweight and a very enjoyable Moto. My last bike was an Aprilia ETV1000 Caponord and while I sometimes miss its 99 horsepower I do not miss its girth and weight in the least.
I think you'll enjoy the KTM 390 ADV more than the others. While all KTMs can go off-road, their road manners are always at the top of the heap. I had a 1190 ADV and took adventure classes with all the big BMW GS 1200s, and kept up just fine as a new rider. The bikes are more capable than we are as their pilots. If you wanna drag a knee, the KTM will do it. If you wanna go on a fire road, the KTM will do it. If you wanna commute, the KTM will do it. No complaints there. Happy riding, Señor.
You do realize the 1190 ktm and 1200 GS where more or less the same size?
Otherwise i agree, i have the current gen KTM1290 SAS and it rips offroad with its rider being the big limiting factor
The 390 ADV is a small bike and gets blown around in the wind on the highway, more cramped ergonomics too. Was not nearly as comfortable for touring as the bigger bikes you mention.
@alexaiverson Agreed. He won't have it long before he realises his mistake. He'll also notice the unreliability especially coming from a Yamaha. Looking forward to the video "Why I'm selling my KTM 390".
Thanks for the honesty. I saw a guy total a snowmobile with under a mile on it. He was like watch this and you can fill in the rest. This is the best information I have found . Thank you.
I am also in Oregon and I also love spreadsheets. It's tough to narrow things down to just one bike with so many possibilities in Oregon.
I am looking for something to learn on so I am leaning towards the Honda 250L. Once I figure out what kind of riding I like 50/50 or 30/70 pavement to non-pavement I can change from there.
Sorry I can't help with your choice but good luck and happy rides.
Have a sit on the Honda 500cbx Iam looking at this good seat height doesn't carry its weight high. All the best, Colin.
I am 65, but I succeeded only once in lifting my CB500x. Lays also flat on the ground, and despite my Fortza 300 scooter is heavier, I can lift it with ease. But without doubt, the Tenere is far more (top) heavy. KTM has reliability issues, and BMW is in my country overpriced.
The Honda CB500X is a bit of everything, but not extreme in anything either. Bullet proof.
If you want to relive the feeling you had when you started, I strongly suggest you try a TW200 for a couples of rides, specialy if you lean more on the of road riding side.
Those lillte TDubs are amazing!
I had a similar predicament, minus your experience - I had not ridden a bike in 30 years, and was weakened by some medical issues. Went with the KTM 390. I regret it not one little bit. It handles well, and above all, it STOPS the shortest of all the ones you mentioned. It is good enough on the highway if needed, (I l cannot avoid them sometimes) wonderful on back roads at speeds of 30-65, and really enjoyable on curvy roads. I did 3000 miles in 1.5 years (95% backroads, 5 % dirt.) I'm attending dirtdaze NE 2023 this week so lots more (easy) dirt in my future. It also came with a lot of stuff standard (Abs front and back, traction control, "dirtnap" protectors and so on.) Lighter than a KLR 650, More torque and less revvy than the Versys 300, more power and a bit taller than a gs 310, Lighter than the CB500X. I hear a bit about reliability issues, but so far, so good - a bit early to tell yet. Oh, and thanks for the content!
I had a long list when I was looking for a bike, light weight and power were my main considerations. I settled on the CRF 450L, and with modifications, has suited my needs and wants better then I expected. Good luck making up your mind!
Same here but with the EXCF bikes.
I really like the Versys. Just great to ride and wonderful handling. Own one.
I appreciate your methodical approach. I will say i have a 30" inseam also , and tho it is a tall bike , my DRZ has been one of the best bikes, and given me more adventures than i can count(25,000 miles). The reliability is unreal. All i have done is put tires, sprockets and chains on it. I do the exact kind of riding you do in the Cascades outside of Tacoma. I am 63 now. I will say i am a very experienced dirt bike rider. But i wanted to add the DRZ is very good handling on the road. Even better than the dirt.
That said, and knowing a bit about these kind of bikes i will say of the 5 on your list the KTM is it. There is a reason there are so many out there. They come from the factory with good components and you dont have to do much to it out of the box. Personally i think the big adventure bike thing is a hype and i would never take one of those off road. So i like your idea. I think you will have more fun.
Good luck, rubber side down!
I am in the same boat as you are; I have been riding a BMW R1200 GSA and love it except for weight. I have ridden it all over the world in everything you can think of and can pick it up but its heavy. I have looked at the mid sized adventure bikes but the trade offs to date have kept me with my GSA. 50-70 lb savings are not enough to give up the tractor features of the GSA. I had a couple of trail mc’s that I sold and added/replaced with the BMW310GS. It is a respectable little MC but it is not a GSA or Tenure. Unless the bike is very light weight the 350-400 lb bikes are still heavy if they pin you to the ground if they fall on you. I know, I got caught under the 310 with my ankle pinned in the desert earlier this year and it took a bit of work to self extract myself when you can’t lever off anything. They aren’t a light weight trail Honda or KTM. Getting a light weight reasonably powerful mc that has the features you want and like is hard. I have 2 mc’s, the heavy weight I love and the light weight that is not the heavy weight but is respectable and I can carry it on the back of my motorhome. I’d love to just have one mc that behaved like the heavy weight. I am yet to find it. Keep the Tenure and enjoy it; I don’t think the 50-75 lbs savings will give you what you will miss in the Tenure from the power loss on the pavement. (I am 67)
Hi, I'm 58 years old and have similar concerns. I was in a serious mountaineering accident in my 20's and have a hip replacement as a result. I needed a bike I could lift, preferably a Honda. For travelling and some off road. This narrowed it down to the 250 Rally. Three years and 55000 km later I'm happy with my choice. You can do the maintenance yourself, parts are available everywhere. I've been to Croatia, the Baltics, the Autobahn, Nordkapp. All the best.
You should also add to your list new Honda Scrambler. It can do highway speeds and light off roading, Not a clunker also not too heavy. I think you’ll love it.
Enjoyed the video. Very much in parallel with you. 68 y/o and the V-Strom 650 seems to be getting more top-heavy every year. I ride a little Chinese 250 around Cuenca which is a blast to ride...light, nimble, and adequate power. So like you, I'm looking at the 400 class. The bike that I'm looking at to replace the 250 is the new Triumph 400 Scrambler.
I'm 64 years old and really appreciate your thoughtful attention to finding a bike that meets your needs. My own needs and desires are different - I'm a road rider with a longer inseam than yours, but your process and honesty about your capabilities are inspiring. Thanks for sharing.
(Since I ride for a different purpose, I don't have any suggestions for you. My Kawasaki Versys 1000 is a very different bike that the smaller Versys models. It's best suited for sport touring. It's okay on dirt and gravel roads, but definitely isn't an adventure bike.)
hi from the UK. not sure if you get it in the US but there is a suzuki v strom 250 that looks great , there is a newer version of the cb500x and there are loads of after market accesories for it
what ever you choose , ride safe and have fun
Thanks for the great video. I’m 64 with a 29” inseam. I chose a Yamaha WR250R because its 295 lb. weight, incredible engine, fully adjustable suspension, and large stator for accessories. I added a Yamalink lowering link and a lot of other accessories for adventure travel. I use the 21”/18” stock rims for off-road camping adventures and Warp9 supermoto rims for on-road and gravel adventures. For my needs, it seems to be the perfect set-up. Good luck with your selection process. I’m anxious to see what you end up with.
I looked for a WR250R forever for my first bike, for all of the reasons you mentioned. Went with a CB500X, but then found a DRZ that wasn’t clapped out. I’m excited to try SM wheels & have the off road setup for camping and exploring. The CBX is great, but the weight difference on the DRZ is noticeable; much easier to bring it back when I get caught off balance. Enjoy your WR!
im 37 and have never ridden a motorcycle but i enjoy your content. i am considering taking a course because the countryside on a bike has to be an awesome thing to witness.
I stared riding at 43 in 2017. I’m 49 now, 50 in a month. These last 6.5 years of riding have been the most enjoyable of my life. Don’t hesitate to take the MSF course. You won’t regret it.
Hey Bruce, I sold my T7 about a year ago and replaced it with a Versys-X. My girlfriend had already had her Versys-X for a couple of years and I'd set it up well for adventure touring so was very familiar with the bike. We have done a few tours including a 4000km Australian outback trip, the 300s go great!! We're heavier riders and load the bikes up with camping gear with no issues. I'm 6'4" & with bar risers & Seat Concepts tall seat it fits perfectly. Fuel capacity is a bonus. Both bikes also have upgraded (YSS) suspension. We do have dirt bikes as well for discovering our local trails (Gas Gas EC350F & Yamaha XT 250). Only negative for the Versys is the uncomfortable stock seat, easily remedied. I'm in numerous Versys-X groups online and owners all seem to love this bike. Definitely give the VX3 a go!!
I'm from Slovakia ... I'm 72 years old ... and I know exactly what it's about ... super great video ... my English is bad and I watch your UA-cam ... it's exactly for me ... thank you for all your videos and that's exactly what I experienced
I just watched this video. I have watched a number of your others. I am 72 years old and for the road I ride my Harley softail heritage classic. I know it's not an "adventure bike" but I was one of the first to get a Honda CRF300L (not the rally). I am about 5'6" and small and love the Honda. It can hold all the camping gear I could ever need (thanks to Nelson Riggs gear). I have a roto pack, MSR 30oz bottles, and paniers that have a gas tank under on the tool box side. I know it has tubes but they make tubes that are pretty much puncture proof or of course you can convert to tubeless. I did put a lowering link on mine and had a place in Medford shave the seat some. I did think about the Rally version but decided on the lighter L and have been more than happy with it. Again, I have seen a number of your videos. I don't think you live too far from my area in the very north eastern part of California. The only ones I ever let service my Harley are in Medford -Thunderstruck - The guys there are fantastic
Hi Bruce, I would also suggest that you consider the Suzuki DR650. I recently purchased a 2022 model to slot in between my Africa Twin and my CRF450L. I believe that it is the best 50/50 relatively lightweight bike on the market. With a few basic and affordable mods you can take this bike anywhere. It’s 80 lbs lighter than your Tenere (which I also considered), has a lower seat height and center of gravity, and it’s much more nimble at slow speed. The engine is smooth and powerful with 5th gear basically functioning as an overdrive allowing the bike to cruise comfortably at 70+. The carb is no big deal, once you get it jetted properly, the fueling on a CV carb is smoother and more reliable than fuel injection (no flame outs !). Aftermarket support for the DR is incredible, you make make this bike anything you want. Easiest bike to work on I’ve ever owned. There is a reason that Suzuki has been able to sell them for over 35 years.
YES....BRUCE THE SUSUKI DR650 my friend.... you will thank me!
Great information. For someone going through the similar sort of thinking.
DR650 is the best bike I have found for on/off road riding. I have had my 2009 since new, I have 11k miles on it with zero problems.
I concur. Simple, reliable, and a good motor that doesn’t mind being ran up to 100mph. Really good on fast fire roads. Really stable. The KLR650 and XLR650 both feel twitchy above 70mph on dirt. The DR is rock solid at 90.
Great video!! I downsized from the T7 recently myself. I chose the CRF300L, but partly because I will keep two motorcycles. The other is an older ST1100 I picked up used. The CRF is tall, but manageable with so much sag in the stock suspension. If I go to a stiffer rear shock, I’ll have to use lowering links. I had lowered by T7 front and rear as well. Thank you for sharing this information!
Hi buddy, I've had my T7 2 years also, I am 46 years old 6'1ft and I've raced in Enduro most of my life, I also find the T7 to heavy for off road and it has a poor turning circle (lock to lock) it's fantastic on the road but if that's where you're at then there's better more comfortable road bikes!
I have now ordered a Honda crf300 rally, I've had the privilege of testing one over a weekend and for me it's perfect, easy, light, smooth can sit at 70mph and very capable off road 👍🏼
You are speaking my language here. I’m almost 69 and have enjoyed my BMW 1150 gs for the last 6 years. Been on a few longer trips and a lot of local ones too. I love the bike but it is HEAVY and not an easy one to lift if I drop it.
So I’m in the same boat as you. I have ridden a Honda 500 and loved it. The others you have listed are interesting and I’m looking forward to your final choice. Enjoy the rides you get to take. I live in a similar type area up here in SW Washington.
Hey Bruce great video and I like your honest and humble sharing. Good to see you're also on the mend! I too got my T7 in late spring of 21. I'm in my mid 60's and decided to jump back into riding after the pandemic was winding down and the kiddos finally left the nest. My last biIke was a Honda 550 4! That was 40+ years ago! I too recognize some of the short comings caused by the T7 weight and top heavyness. I ride mostly on hardpacked dirt roads and gravel mostly here in Vermont and only have 4600 miles, About twice a summer I ride with friends and travel to the lakes for some over nites. I do not enjoy riding on interstate mostly becuase I feel the T7 is abit underpowered for traveling comfortably long distances at 75+ MPH. I like your point about traveling slower speeds and country rodes to enjoy the ride. Good job wirh your evaluation on smaller Advet bikes . If I downsize I wiould probably stay with a Japanese bike due to the bullet prove dependability,. I must say with all the things I dont like about the T7 I enjoy the linear power in any gear and the giddy up of 70 horsepower and of courese the blackened look. Btw did you consider that Honda is coming out with an CRF LS 300 (lower seat) and therefore easier to ride. Ride safe!
You need to revisit the CRF300 Rally, I also dropped the CRF from a spread sheet due to seat height.
I'm 5" 6", a friend got me to look at a CRF in person.
It has a weight advantage over the rest, it makes a difference. Important if you don't push weights.
Tall it is, but I could make it work, I dropped the seat height by 1.5" by using a modification I found on the internet, cost me noting and it can be returned to it's original seat height.
Sure, less power, but the bike is lighter.
I was homing in on to the KLR 300 Versys, the I had a closer look at the CRF.
An interesting and light bike is the Fantic Caballero 500cc or 700cc. eqipped with the yamaha cp2 engine
I also had a Tenere for 2 years and downsized, totally understand your thought process! Ended up with a Versys 300 and am very happy with it. It’s a stable yet nimble and light-ish chassis with a great little revvy engine. The suspension is non adjustable but the stock valving is surprisingly good and well balanced for street and light off roading. 17 liter tank is nice and the bike is well put together. Only upgrades were a seat, adjustable levers and hand guards. Only thing I would want is a bit more power because it’s adequate but lacking in torque. KTM 390 is a great choice also I believe but I just have no faith in their reliability. Kawasaki should put their 399cc engine in the Versys ;)
I'm in my mid 60s and, in the past 5 years, I've owned or ridden a lot of the bikes on your list. The Versys 300 is a really good bike - among the best of the 7 you're considering. But, it revs very high and runs pretty hot. That was an issue for me in the the deserts of So Cal. I think the small BMW and KTM ADVs will disappoint you. I had a 390 and was less than impressed. The CB500X (great bike if upgraded at significant expense) and Enfield are too heavy per your specs (and mine). For the last year I've been riding an Aprilia Tuareg 660. It is by far the best ADV I've thrown a leg over. It's lighter, smarter and more comfortable than the T7 - and it has tubeless tires! That said, if I'm riding alone - as I often do - I hop on my KLX 300. And, if I could keep only one bike it would be the Kawasaki. Don't be too quick to dismiss the 300cc dual sports from Honda and Kawasaki. They might surprise you. I've owned both the CRF and the KLX. I prefer the KLX because its suspension is superior to the Honda's - at least for my 6' 2", 175 lbs frame. Good luck.
I'm 72 and just bought a Tuareg 660. It is a bit tall for me, but that can be fixed. I'm glad to hear positive reports about it. I was considering the CRF and KLX, but the Tuareg 660 checks more boxes, except for ultimate nimbleness, in comparison.
Like you I am an older gentleman and have downsized from larger bikes. I did this in stages until I purchased the ktm 390. Great bike for me, will go anywhere I want to take it off road, and fabulous on road. Like every bike it needs a few accesories, handguards, bar risers, skid plate etc. A couple of comments, it is quite a tall bike, so I dont think you will be cramped. You need to take it for a really good test ride to appreciate it's qualities, a spin around the block won't do it. Good knobbly adventure tires make a world of difference.
I’m 65 and have a Honda AT. I’ve dropped it about 10 times. Picking it up is no fun, however from how you describe how you use your hands and arms to pick up your T7. I suggest you use your legs, it’s a lot easier., no strain on your upper body. Hope this helps
All valid points mate. I'm 54 and just downsized from a DR650 to a CRF 300 Rally. So much easier to deal with, and crazy cheap on fuel- loving the new machine, perfect lightweight adventure bike 👍
Not much of a weight downsize. Maybe 35lbs. The seat is much higher on the Rally. I have a 250L Rally.
I'm surprised you noticed a big difference between the two considering the numbers. I'm curious what you feel about that makes the differences for you?
The mighty DR is superior to the Rally.
@@naps3386 Expept for fuel injection. I ride mine to work all winter. It's sure nice having it start just like that at -15 C
The reality is, though, a CRF300L rally is 92% of the weight of a DR650 with 65% of the power. I have a DR650 and a 300 Honda and the Honda engine is great with long service intervals and is fuel efficient and insurance is cheaper for me but the benefits end there. A better downsize would be a KLX230.
Hi, I downsized from a 1250gs to Aprilia Tuareg 660 whilst it weighs the same as the Tenera on paper it is much smaller and carries it's weight lower down plus it comes with wire wheels that are tubeless and a few rider aids that are very easy to deal with. I couldn't believe how quickley I adapted back to standard forks which are fully adjustable as is the rear shock. I did find the suspension settled after about 4/500 miles. I'm 5ft8in with inside leg of 31in I've done 4250 miles on it during 4 months and haven't stopped smiling it's also very reassuring off tar even with the standard tyres which are Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR.
Oh should say whilst the tank looks high it's actually the airbox the tank goes down below the seat. worth a checkout although dealers may be a bit far away in the US. I bought mine purely from watching the videos on UA-cam. Cheers Harry p.s. liked your honest appraisal.
I’m toying with moving from my R1200GSA to the Tuareg. My only issue is the dealer is over an hour away. Still under consideration, though!
@@mike.thomas I'm used to that as the BMW dealer was almost 2 hrs away but the Aprilia dealer is some 45 minutes. I bought mine blind,first time ever had only youtubed but am blown away with it. \if you can get a test ride do and try and find a dirt road too. Good luck as there's quite a few making the same move.
@@Harry-sb3op Thanks for the info. Yeah, the BMW dealer was also an hour away from me, but the local Indian dealership is picking up BMW, so that solves that problem if I keep the BMW. From everything I’ve watched (and I’ve watched a LOT) the Tuareg kind of splits the difference between all the available mid-size ADV bikes perfectly. I do hope to get a ride on one soon. There’s a possibility I go Husky/KTM 701/690, but those guys get a bit closer to my DRZ. Nice problems to have ;-)
I bought the BMW G310GS, pre-owned, very low miles with Rally Raid level 2 upgrade suspension, tubeless spoke wheels, noisier can and engine guards.
It's light, plenty of power and torque.
I'm 5'10'', aged 67. Perfect.
I went through the same logic process trying to decide what to buy. I bought a KTM 390 Adventure two years ago and currently have a little over 6000 miles on it over pavement, fire roads and parts of the ORBDR. I also ride solo and needed something I could pick up if dropped.
I was fortunate to pick up the CRF 300 Rally. I have extensive backpacking and hiking experience so am used to packing and traveling light. After following your adventures for a bit, the small Rally might be a bit out of your comfort level and rack-less luggage is crucial for that bike. I have to put a plug for the CB500X or the new 450 Himalyan. Good to see you recovered and fully back at it! Hope you find your unicorn 😊
I bought a Yamaha XT250 It will run all day at 65mph and gets 80mpg. Weighs 300 pounds wet. Plenty of power for a duel sport that does verywell on backroads at highway speed (65mph) and very nimble on the trails, back tire is tubless on my 2024 model . I go on excursions with it head from town to town, farm country into the hills to relax and camy and enjoy making long distance contacts using a QRP ham CW transceiver.
Thank you for such a informative post. Im coming from a dirt bike background but due to illness cant do single trail anymore so ive adventurised my DRZ 400E. I can't even pick it up and therefore find it a bit tall. Ive been thinking about a bigger bike to allow for much longer trips and like you ive found every bike has different advantages and ive been unable to make up my mind. Ive included the 650gs as well, which although heavy has a low centre of gravity.
Looking forward to seeing what you get
This is an excellent review Bruce. Thank you.
This video got me to thinking about the seat height on my newly acquired 07 DRZ400s. It came with the low Concept seat which brings it to a 35" seat height. Then when I sit on it, the sag brings it to 32.5". I'm putting some 1" lowering links and will lower the front end by the same amount. The bike has an ample amount of clearance so I don't see this as a problem. I figure a 31.5" seat height will be fine for my 30" inseam. I've also noticed the sag drops after I've been riding for a little while so the seat height with me on it might be as low as 30" after a mile or two of riding. I won't be flat-footing it but I won't be on my toes either. Now to look at your video list to see which bike you chose.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Maybe Fabric Caballero 500 could be on your list aswell...
I too am over 70, and have downsized my road bike for exactly the same reason - weight! I also bought an off road bike - the BMW G310 GS and fitted it with some Rally raid items. It is easy for me to pick up, even fully loaded with camping gets, extra fuel and water. It has gone everywhere that ai have been brave enough to venture (and that includes some very gnarly tracks). My wife has one the same, and we have done around 25,000 kms on them with no problems at all. They sip fuel, do everything we want and have tubeless tyres (since fitting the Rally Raid wheels). We are planning to keep them until we can’t swing a leg over them! All the best from New Zealand. Our UA-cam channel has some videos of them and how we have them setup.
Just landed on your channel as I am mulling over whether to get a bike at age 72. I rode a small bike as a teenager but not at all since then. I'm recently retired. Lots of time on my hands. People think I am crazy to even consider it. We shall see. Sub'd and followed.
Good video, thank you! I started riding “late” at 57 and put 4K miles on a Triumph Tiger 660, including a week and over 800 miles at North Carolina ‘s famous roads. I love that bike! We did some gravel roads but I would need better tires to do maybe 80/20. Anyways, the Tiger has 80HP, the more on that category, and it’s just over 400 lbs.
Good luck and ride safe!
I sold my Harley in 2019 and in fall of 2022 decided I wanted to return to riding. I ordered a smaller lighter BMW G310 GS. It was delivered in January 2023. The bike has preformed flawlessly, and my Jacksonville FL BMW dealership, as well as other BMW motorrad dealerships I've stopped at across the country are a pure joy. At 6 ft tall with a 30 inch inseam, the bike fits perfectly, and the light 380 lb. wet weight is easy to handle, and the fuel economy of 72-74 mpg is fantastic. The down side is the bike is light, and as such side winds can be an issue. The bike likes on the road speeds of 45-60 mph, so if you plan on riding highways allot then I would recommend you keep the T7. Off road, due to being 65, I only ride improved dirt roads. I leave the technical and deep sand stuff for the younger riders so the stock rims and tyres are fine.
Great channel. I'm right where you are -- 68 and facing similar issues and questions. I made my own similar spread sheet. I ended up getting a lightly used Versys 300X ABS and have been very happy with it. It feels substantial, but is not too heavy, a reliable Japanese twin that looks great. (Altho I like13th earl's suggestion about changing out the sprocket for a little more room in first gear.) I just spent a weekend at an adventure rally on a relatively new RE Himilayan, which I liked and felt very confident riding. It had some great features but felt buzzy, and build quality seemed less solid to me. When the owner lent it to me, they told me to ignore certain indicators or sounds because it was" just part of the bike". Small scramblers might just fit your bill. Just saw an Australian review which made me look again at the Bennelli Leoncino 500 Trail which I think comes in at about 400lbs.
I am 65 retired with similar riding experience as you. I own a KTM 390 in the Philippines (where I spend half the year) and an Aprilia Taureg 660 in the US for BDR type rides. I have had a steep learning curve off road on the Tuareg, broken bones and such but I am younger than you and finally getting it down. I came very close to getting the T-7 before I bought the Tuareg and I sat on one at a dealership. The T-7 felt very tall to me, but that didn't really matter because I am 6'3". To the point: You will love the 390, no question, it is so much easier to maintain your balance after a big bike like the T7. Mine came with alloy wheels and no tubes but the US version may come with spokes and tubes. The engine is the balls, so much fun but not scary powerful. I think the American one has better tech than mine too, an added plus for you to have adjustable front shocks and a traction control button. Any way best of luck and stay safe.
I would encourage you to go back and look at the Suzuki. I currently ride a Triumph Tiger 800. Now in my 60s, I experiencing many of the same issues you brought up.
My youngest son begin riding on a DRZ 400. After installing lowering links, this turned out to be a great bike for him. On the recent ride, I took the opportunity to ride it and was amazed at the "freeing" I felt with the light weight. I agree about low on power but it truly was an excellent bike. I still find myself shaking my head and surprised at how much I liked it.
Good to know that there are more people thinking about downsizing. I'm actualy riding a Triumph Speed Twin 1200, low seat, low center of gravity and for a 1200 quite low weight. Beeing now 68 I'm coming to the point asking my self if I really need this power: I'm riding mostly slow on narrow roads. Avoiding highways is nearly impossible where I live, but more comfort i.e. suspension travel and less weight (< 180 Kg) would be nice. Your spread sheet contains the most bikes I am thinking about. I've seen a comparison UA-cam video from MCN about KTM 390, Himalayan and GS 310 that I think could be helpful to decide. Have you heard about the Triumph 400 X, beeing lunched at end of this year in Europe? Should line up as small Scrambler 1200 XC . . .
I’d really like to suggest the DR650 as well. It’s a great platform for building the bike you want. I have an African Twin I love but have all the issues you have with the T-7. So my research lead me to the DR650. I love that it’s carbonated. It’s such an amazing yet basic bike.
At 77 years, 6.1" with 31inch inside leg. I've owned and ridden lots of big adventure bikes over the years. But like yourself, three years ago, I decided to down size from my Multi Strada. My riding here in the UK is 70/ 30 Road and trail. I bought a CB 500X and added bars , heated grips and luggage.. Best move ever for me, the bike is fun to ride on road and trail. Comfortable, long distances loaded with gear not a problem, with excellent mpg. Don't really miss the big cubes on Ducati except on motorways, which I try to avoid.. Would highly recommend you try one out. The new model now has improved braking and suspension and would be a big plus....The few extra pounds in weight over the other options should not be a deal breaker. If you really want spoked wheels, "Rally Raid" can supply along with good luggage and other accessories. Given the price of the Honda with any extras, it would still be a lot cheaper than the cost of a new T7.....Happy shopping 😊
I would HIGHLY suggest that you make the effort to ride any bike you are considering. Example, you feel the KTM must be a smaller package, and you will find the opposite. I bought one last year, and everyone that sees/sits on it says this looks/feels like a full-size bike. After you ride it for an hour in town, you will be used to the seat height. I am 64, 5'9", with 30" inseam. This summer, I rode a rally in AZ, half the NMBDR, and took advanced training in Utah. The 390 is so capable... non-owners just don't understand it. I would buy one with cast wheels for the tubeless tires. Along with your normal upgrades that bikes need, I would put a 14T sprocket on the front. The bike will chug up anything.
The CB500X has a ton of aftermarket accessories, the fuel economy is great and it has typical Honda bulletproof reliability. That's the bike I would go for if I wanted to do cheaper, no-fuss touring and offroad riding. No KTMs unless you enjoy hanging out at your dealer workshop 😅
Did you look at the DR650? I moved down from the big BMW to it and after some mods fits my needs well. 65-70 on the freeway no problem, can run fire rodas to single track. Seat height of 34, but I got a lowered seat and I', 5'7". Been the same bike since the 80's so parts are available and aftermarket support is big. Downside it's carborated. But at 368lbs might work for ya.
I like Carbs, Being 1 cylinder, you can easily drop bigger Flat side carbs and make Major power for dirt cheap, you can also get Carbs that adjust for altitude on the fly. If you're buying a motorcycle with 2 or 4 Carbs, then it becomes a real annoyance.
I have both a T7 and a CRF300L. Low 80's. Combination tarmac and gravel roads. Bought a factory low seat and lowered the T7. Retained the low seat but recently removed the lowering links and adjusted the rear preload to minimum to lower the seat height. Increasing sag on the T7 worked better for me. I bought a Dirt Napper and that solved my T7 lifting problem. EASTBOUND also has a lift. I keep a bike lift on the Honda as well because if you fall and tweak your knee, you may not be able to lift even a lighter bike. I thought the CRF300L seat height would be an issue. The CRF300L sags a lot and works OK for me as purchased. The idea was to ride the CRF300L more on gravel to develop more confidence on the T7 and that seems to be working. You may miss the sound and power of the T7.
Having done a test ride on one this year, my opinion of the Tenere is that if you don't *need* the ground clearance the bike offers, it isn't the bike for you. Im 6'2 and I'd be more confident taking heavier, lower bikes off-road because I can at least get my feet planted! Since you mentioned liking the Honda CL350 back in the day I reckon you should give the new CL500 a try.
I would suggest adding the Suzuki DR650SE to your list given your checklist. I believe it would hit most of them except for the tubeless tires. I recommend this one from personal experience and from thousands of reviews for reliability/durability. Good luck with your choice!
I should have thought of that one. Is the seat height lower than a DRZ400? Can’t remember. I need to go sit on one to compare to my DRZ.
I’m 66, 6’4”, and have a dr650 that you should consider in your list. It is 1” lower than the drz400. It is a a light (370 lbs.), inexpensive,@$7K, reliable, very customizable dual sport. Not top heavy. If you want more road capable, V-strom650. But nothing wrong with others on your list.
Could alway use the Tubliss system which turns tubed tyres basically into tubeless tyres. Can also run on a flat tyre
Try a KTM 690/Husqvarna 701 SM (not enduro). Has a 34” seat, 335 pounds, tubeless and 74 HP. I’m 74 and ride a Husqvarna 701 Enduro and BMW 1200GS. I can still pick up the 701 but not the 1200.
I loved mine but might be too much for Bruce
Kove 450 is the unicorn we all been waiting for
I'm considering trading my 2022 Klr650 abs adventure for a V-Strom 800DE or 650XT
Hi Bruce,
I'm age 60 and a new rider. Im 6'0 195lbs with a 32 in inseam. I own the Versys 300x and I've looked at all the bikes on the list. First off all these bikes are small compared to a full size bike like the T7. The BMW and KTM are even smaller than the Versys and Honda. I really liked the KTM but I felt like I was sitting on top of the bike and leaning forward a little more than I liked. Seat was 33 in tall.
Honda fit and finish was superior to the other bikes and ergonomics felt good. You sit into the bike more than on top of the bike. But considerably cost more. The Versys has good ergonomics and runs good and you sit down into the bike more than on top of it. Seat is 32in hi. After putting 3k miles on the Versys I will say it can do it all. But 1st gear is like a tractor so all my street riding I start in second gear. It likes to rev and it is a bit buzzy on the Highway around 75mph. The bike does lack the passing power but can do probably 95mph. It's very good at back roads where your doing between 40 and 60. It does gravel well too. That being said I didn't ride it but I thing the Honda is the best of the bikes your looking at. I don't trust KTM that it won't leave me stranded. And the BMW is bit small.
I’m 74 and own a 2021 KTM 390 Adventure. I’ve been riding since I was 19 and to be honest I have had more fun on this bike than any other bike. One caveat is that the spoke wheel version has tube tires. I haven’t had any issues with the cast wheels and plugging a tubeless is a huge plus for me. With 6000 miles it has been dependable with just normal maintenance. I did add the Powerpart seat which made it more comfortable. I think you would be very happy with this bike. Good luck with your shopping.
Great to hear that you are still in the saddle, I've not stopped riding since I got a moped at 16 back in the 80's.
I think that motorcycling is either in your blood or not, I never want to stop.
Prepare to blow the seens
@@steveclark..I’m the same way. When I turn 90 I’ll just get someone to strap me to the Bike with some kind of Back Support, and maybe some kind of Arm Support. Then I’ll be on my way. By then, they will probably all be Automatic Transmissions so that will make it easier also. I might need a Oxygen Machine rigged up also.👍👍
Interesting video even for a 30 year old like myself. Lots of respect sir, I just subscribed. All these reasons you have pointed out are the reason I went with a TW200 but I can understand why you didnt even consider it haha. It's no street bike and it's kinda small.
I cant understand why Yamaha doesn't make a TW400 or TW450? It would out sell the T700!
For the older riders that still do 50% or more on dirt roads, I recommend the 250 lb KTM EXC-F bikes. Owned them for 20 years. They come with good 50/50 tires that you can add tubeless but the super light weight and horsepower makes them agile for easy quick turning on pavement or dirt, especially helpful for an older rider is the low center of gravity as this is felt in every axis. You can ride to 65 on the highway and with soft bags they are great urban tourers for errands and day trips. There are lots of off the shelf plug and play upgrade options and protection parts you can add but are great as is. They handle drops without any damage and you won't find an easier bike to handle in the 35+ hp category. Negatives are no traction control or ABS safety tech, not good for interstate travel, a higher price than cheaper heavier bikes in this category and the 37" seat height. They commonly get the 2" lowering suspension done and the lower seat. I find this is the best bike per pound in the shed because of the engine performance, weight and great stock suspension. If you are just taking short pavement mostly trips for errands, etc. a Scooter maybe your next best easy riding option. Any day you can ride in nice weather on two wheels is a great day!
Hi Bruce, absolutely getting your points and like the way you share your thoughts with humor. IMHO the fantic caballero 500 may be a cool bike for your needs. Don't know if you get these in the states. Specs 820 mm seat height, 157 kg wet, around 40 hp, and 40 Nm torque should be enough.
Good luck and keep enjoying your rides.
Cheers
I down sized to a CRF250L a few years ago. I put a 3.5 gallon IMS tank on it along with a Tusk luggage rack with Rigg-gear dry bags, replaced the seat and added a stiffer rear spring and a lowering link. It is my primary commuter bike for my arduous 6 mile commute. It is great off road, gets 70-85 mpg on regular gas and is great for over night moto camping.
Sometimes a spread sheet does not show how the sum of the parts act together.
BTW I'm 5'6" with a 27" inseam.
I sold my Tenere 700 thanks to age/bike weight/solo riding, and am now loving my KTM 390 Adventure. It is brilliant on the road, weighs nothing, and can carry a load all day long.
Is it buzzy on the road? I test rode a Duke 390 years ago and found it buzzed at all revs. Maybe they have ironed that out now?
@@leecourt8509 Not on my 2020. Over 80mph it does, but any single would.
Brilliant wee bike, never let me down, heading off camping in the morning on it.
Cool thanks. I'll have to try the 390 Adventure out! @@Hutchie2112
@@leecourt8509 I had a R.E. Himalayan (it went back to R.E. after 1 year due to total mechanical failure). I had a crf250L.
The ktm ticks all the boxes for me. Light weight, awesome handling and brakes, quick without a daft top speed.
My one concern was that it might not be a good bike for just chilling out and bimbling along. Today I rode for 2 hours and was so zoned out it was like I'd had a sauna and a great night's sleep. 40mph in 5th gear and 81mpg (uk miles per gallon)
Can't recommend it enough. Plus all the awesome things like traction control and lean sensitive abs and backlit lighting.
Owned bikes for 41 years, and the wee ktm is up there with any of the bikes I've owned.
I also live in Oregon and am 62 and feeling my age. I had a KTM 1090R and started to be concerned about being able to pick that up since I ride alone a lot. I decided to supplement that with a smaller bike and bought a 2020 KTM 390 Adventure. Once I had the 390 I almost never rode the 1090. I then decided to sell the 1090 and bought a T7, hoping it would still give me the big bike experience in an easier to handle package than the 1090. Unfortunately, for me, the T7 was a big disappointment, It felt nearly as heavy and awkward to handle as the 1090, while giving up massive power, 200 mile plus fuel range, and tubeless tires. I then sold the T7 and bought an 890R, and that bike absolutely nails it. It feels almost as easy to handle as my 390, but almost as powerful as the 1090. For what you are looking for, the 390 is hands down the bike. It is road biased but great for gravel/dirt roads, and has a 200 plus fuel range, tubeless tires, reasonably low seat height, reasonably low weight, all day 70MPH cruising capability, and is still fun to rip through the gears.
Sir the TW200 all the way . Its a blast to ride and its a go anywhere bike . Im even of thinking getting one and Im 56 yrs old . I have a 1990 DR350s . But Im sure you will find whats right for you . But that TW is a hoot
As a life long dirt rider, I can tell you the over 400cc Adventure bikes are a compromise offroad to get better long distance road manners than dual sports. Sounds like your off roading is in moderation.
I think test rides are a must before you pick another bike. I think either the CRF 300 or the Versys 300 could be made for you. The Honda will be better off road and the Versys on road.
Most bikes can be lowered front and back, I believe the CRF can. But for 70/30 the Versys with adventure tires sounds like the bike for you.
I love watching your videos. Most of what you discuss is pertinent to me.
In this video, you mentioned something about a motorcycle winch. Can you say the name? I do a lot of riding alone on a Himalayan. Because it’s heavy and falls flat when it goes over, I need something to help me get it upright.
So glad you’re still riding, even after the accident may have shaken your confidence a little. I look forward to seeing more of your adventures.
I’m just a few years younger than you. 5’8” with. 30 inch inseam. I did the TAT coast to coast summer of 21. I currently ride a BMW F800GS. Did the MABDR on it as well. I’m downsizing as well to smaller bike to do all the western BDR’s. I’ve narrowed it down to the Honda crf300 rally and the KTM390 adventure. While on the TAT I met a group of young men all riding KTM390’s. They were professional dirt bike riders. Two of them competed in the x games. They did 3 passes in Colorado on the stock bikes loaded down. They had zero problems. We rode together for several days. They kept up with me no problem on roads at 70-80mph. The lower clearance of the KTM wasn’t an issue for them. Just an fyi even though the crf 300 has a tall seat height it squats considerably to where even my short self can touch the ground fairly well.
I feel you have made many valid points. A few will require a unicorn motorcycle to fulfill but going to a smaller displacement motorcycle will solve some issues with the T7 you had.
Personally, I wouldn't bother going tubeless if you are going off-road. You are just as likely to bend a rim or tear out a tire sidewall as you are getting a nail/screw. Inevitably, you'll want a tube and all associated tools along anyway. Anything smaller in displacement is going to have tube tires unless you get something that has cast alloy rims....which aren't good for off road.
In regards to seat height, for dual sport motorcycles, if you plan on going off road, the only motorcycle with a lower seat would potentially be a Yamaha XT250.
I also have a 30" inseam. While the T7 appears fantastic, weight and seat height are my conserns as well. The Suzuki DR650 might be a good alternate: 366 lbs and 33" seat. oh, I'm 65 yrars old. Love your channel!
I have a DR650 all set up for desert riding. I would describe it as tall and top heavy with my configuration. Stiff suspension, knobby tires, and big tank. You could set one up to be a lot lower with a lowering link and all that. The good thing is it is like the Ford F150 of motorcycles.
@@AnomadAlaska thank you for your assessment. I've been considering a DR650. I ruled out the DRZ400 because of seat height. Thanks again!
@@BarryJoeBaileyThe DR650 has a lower seat height than the 400, and the link can be set to lower it even more. It has no radiators to break. The center of gravity is actually quite low. It will easily run up to 100mph and not feel like you are hurting it. It will cruise easily at 75-80mph. And it is really good on fast dirt roads.
Dont blame you mate.
Resently REALLY down sized from my Kawasaki Vulcan VN900 to a Royal Enfield Classic 350.
One of the best decision I've made in my 50 years of biking.
Back to pure basic zero mode soul biking.
Same as in the glorious Mods and Rockers 60s.
Hi, I’m in a similar position and have a nice but heavy BMW F800GS. The new Triumph 400 Scrambler X might suit your needs but it’s not out until January and I don’t know if it’ll make the US market. The other bike is a Honda CRF300 Rally rather than an L version. It’s a tiny bit heavier but not by much and has the bigger tank and fairing. Maybe worth a look. G