I am a bouncer at a gentlemans club, I'm also a really big guy: 6'5" and 350lbs. I like this take down not only because it's so effective but also because there is a low probability of me hurting the person accidentally. Not only is this safe for me but ultimately it's safe for the person I'm taking down as well. Thank you gentleman for your always informative and entertaining videos. Myself and the other primary at the club purchased Stinger Tactical Whips based on your video reviews. They are excellent deterrents. Thanks again.
same here with the whips...we're now carrying them outside while walking entertainers and staff to their cars...May have to deal with more than 1 guy and still have to get the ladies to their car or back inside; and you have lots of room to move and operate the whip in the lot...3 or more guys; the pepper spray comes out
@@twistedbydsign99 a big part of catch wrestling is base on judo,even if they don't use the gi a lot of the system is similar in positioning and ground work
The odd part about the "police" arm bar is it can actually work if done properly and the other person isn't ready for it. Basically hits a pressure point which makes you lose control of your hand for a split second ( which is just enough time to gain advantage when needed) I took BJJ lessons for a few years and i was talking smack to a buddy who was a cop. I told him " keep it up pig and I'll put an arm bar on ya " He quickly did the "police" arm bar on me replying ..." oh you mean this 1???" I wasn't really expecting him to attack me but..... Yep he put me down quick with it and i felt like a helpless little girl 🤣 I did get him back by throwing an ankle lock on him and tossing his ass on the ground with it. Ahhh it's nice to have fun with friends !
@@henryposadas3309 *EXACTLY!* Most cops are VERY poorly trained at the one thing (Chin Na) that all cops SHOULD become EXPERT'S at. I've seen MANY cops embarrass themselves and fail at their poorly done joint manipulation efforts even against scrawny or overweight teenagers who did NOT want to comply. Don't blame the art, blame YOUR poor training, lack of proper technique or technical understanding.
Yeah. It's something that's not really addressed in many combat sports and not at all addressed in the "STREET" systems. The vast majority of times an officer is going hands-on with someone, they're non-compliant but not aggressive. They're two different things and the former doesn't necessarily necessitate going 100% shooting for a takedown or a throw. Something between strict verbal commands and full-intensity grappling is invaluable.
The last martial art technique i used on da streetz was a basic single hand wrist look I always told myself was stupid and would never work, some tripper came up to take my bike and as his hand touched the seat I grabbed it and wrist locked him onto the ground. Worked a treat
They're pretty intense if you see them in action they sure don't hold off on going 100% even on defenseless ppl.. gotta respect a real one who knows his power and to hold it back
Yes! For anyone wondering if this guy is legit, he absolutely is. I work security and as a bouncer and apply my mma when needed and I have done this exact move several times. I have gone through a lot of his videos and so far have not found any bullshit
I’m a UK Police Officer & your channel is great. We don’t have the option of going for a gun so this type of technique is great. I have used the straight arm bar take down on a much bigger suspect & it worked perfectly but I had one cuff on & he was only offering passive resistance, not active resistance. Keep up the good work!
Yes, good stuff. There's too much out there that comes out of the minds of big guys who are used to dominating beforehand and during altercations. IMO, if something doesn't work for smaller then it's not a robust technique for the street where most people fighting for their skins are going to be smaller just due to the MO of predatory people.
We learned something similar in Judo. From that body lock the opponent may spin to face you, so spin in the same direction and use that momentum for the dump/throw. I'm liking this strategy as well.
Normal wrestling/judo/bjj style takedown. The backtake could be way smoother and efficient, but solid sequence overall. Good strategy and like you said high percentage
Brometheus Marmalade thanks, I am terribly rusty, which I alluded to in the video, but one important part of what we use is that we do NOT have to be super smooth, technical grappling wizards.
@@godeater6382 That was just a *dick* comment. Do you even know what Shuai Chiao is, or did you just assume that it must be some useless Kung Fu because of its name? I'd never heard of it, but instead of typing up a dick comment, I took a whole 2 minutes out of my day to do a quick search, and a few more minutes out of my day to watch a couple of videos. Seems pretty legit to me: Chinese Judo, in essence. But _even if_ it was a completely useless, unrealistic Kung Fu, that _still_ wouldn't justify you being such a dick!
I was a street cop for 7 years. My go to take down was feign that straight arm takedown then go into a figure four when they pushed back and take them backwards at a 45 with a leg sweep or boot to the back of their knee. It almost always worked and usually went perfectly into a ground control position with one of my knees on their face and the other in their armpit. Most importantly, it let me control their dominant hand, aka weapon hand and made it easy to get a cuff on that wrist quickly. I learned that while in the military but it really should be used by patrol cops everywhere. I do however have a blooper video of this going wrong in a fast food restaurant. I tried to do it and the damn straight arm takedown worked and put the guys face through a glass divider between the booths and the cashiers. But after that, the figure four worked perfectly.
Use that move now and end up with your knee on the guy's face, and you can look up and see 8-10 guys shooting videos with their cell phones. In the morning you will already have been fired from the police force, multiple excess force and police brutality charges against you have been brought, and you also get a call from a personal injury lawyer informing you that you're being sued personally along with your PD for $100 million. So, these days things are different. Taser em if you have to. Don't let anyone see you with a knee on a face.
I was taught this as a counter to a failed arm bar take down where it takes them by surprise going the other way. You have to stay in close and do it fluidly though and takes practice. More practice than they give us paid training time to perfect and stay competent in through the years. This will straight up not be practical when there's a size/strength disparity and smaller officers will need to up the force level most likely
I like this. For me, I love the straight armbar takedown and it has been my go-to without fail the last 22 years as an LEO. I've used it many, many, times and really haven't had much of a failure with it. Granted I am larger than most people I arrest and have a long history of championship powerlifting, so I am stronger than most everyone I deal with on the street, but I'm going to learn this one. As I get older, I need to implement more effective techniques because eventually, I won't be stronger than the people I'm dealing with. Great stuff.
I first watched this video a couple weeks ago and I was like "I'm going to try it". Tonight I had an opportunity to use this and it worked perfectly! Simple and effective.
I was a high school and, briefly, college wrestler, then a police officer for 16 years; I used the straight arm bar takedow all the time with a lot of success, and it wasn’t against 13 year old girls either. Of course if you have a takedown dummy half again your size standing there doing nothing its not going to work, but in a dynamic situation where the subject has gotten unbalanced or out of position it works like a charm. One of the few moves I learned in the academy that actually did work.
(1) breaking a wrist can be very difficult with non compliant person (2) someone is drugged, very aggressive or armed will use their other weapons/limbs
This is not my favorite joint lock but I have used others liken to Aikido in live situation. When it comes to these I feel it is just as foolish to say they don't work, as it is to say they will always work. They can work! The larger and stronger your opponent, the less effective almost any technique will be...thats just reality of physics. But many things work on a large opponent if they dont expect it or with the right set up. A jab to the face will set many options up without breaking your hand..Jab-cross, jab-jointlock, jab-takedown, jab-spinning back kick to the groin lol. The point is distract then attack. The jab doesnt nevessarily have to connect. I tout thr jab on this channel a lot but to me using it is the cardinal difference between being a fighter and a brawler.
Yeh 100%. Sometimes cheesy wristlocks work because fights are all different.. if they're not fully engaged often useful. Not every confrontation is two huge guys with knives out to kill you. Sometimes it's a skinny 12 year old with a baseball bat.
@@elizajames477 Agreed. I have actually used kote gaeshi multiple times IRL. Once when my drunk friend tried to push me. Getting aggressive. Once when someone grabbed me by my necktie. I think the joint locks from aikido work. Just not the way aikido teaches it. You are not gonna catch someone's wrist mid-air. But if you intercept with a punch or clinch first it can work.
I have used this basic takedown in multiple situations and it works every time. When I was wrestling freestyle we trained hour upon hour with this move because you can drop down for a single leg takedown, apply it as you demonstrated or lift the opponent and slam him to the ground. Of course on the ground you can go to the choke or arm bars or chops and hammer fists to the back of the neck depending upon the threat level.
That straight arm thing - don't you use any kind of atemi before putting that on? Like, traditional (non-Brazilian) jiujitsu teaches you to do stuff like smack 'em in the face or kidneys or something so they're not concentrating on their arm when you do it. Normally when we did it it was with a double-handed grip on the hand, get the wrist-lock, twist, and it's on - though I fully appreciate that traditional JJ is taught in a bullshido, aikido way of doing things, drilling with a compliant uke - but the biomechanics is what it is. The hard part is the wrist interception in an actual fight.
From what I see, very few people who teach or criticise JJ techniques don't understand or apply any of the small details involved. Amongst other schools, I trained at a Bujinkan school for 6 months, you can say what you like about them, and its true 99% of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, but the body mechanics and skill level (of the teacher at that school) was very impressive....
Criticizing the straight arm bar, and seeing it done incorrectly seems only to advance BJJ as the true Jiu Jitsu when itbus really wrestling. As stated when performed correctly with Atemi waza and strikes it works . We taught the stand up techniques to police., security, corrections and they all used it effectively. You want the opponent on the ground , put them there, you don’t have to be rolling around with them.
Cool! I'll try to play with this. Straight armbars/locks can work, though. They probably typically seem bogus because they're often not performed properly! It's easy to screw them up if you don't know the mechanics behind them (e.g., proper hand placement, proper leverage, control maintenance, utilization of the elbow and radial nerve, etc.). But with enough understanding and practice, those can be fierce, fast, and nasty. I'm about 130 pounds (on a fat day). I'm wondering how both would go against someone 70 pounds heavier!
PO from 🇨🇦 here and thank you for this video ……. We get taught that useless arm takedown ……. This is far superior in so many ways!!! Keep the law enforcement tutorials coming !
Best takedown I have found as well, I usually teach them to secure the far side arm so they have no ability to turn in to me OR break their fall with it. We just did this in my LEO class yesterday.
The first move does work when applied with a reverse wrist lock then elbow roll into a shoulder lock. Also utilized with one handcuff on with that technique its brutal. I used it for 23 years in the streets of the Bronx and Manhattan. But I also studied jiu-jitsu before going into law enforcement in 93. But the side grab takedown is also effective. Be mindful to push that hand/arm out of the way or you will get into a headlock. Great stuff, love the video.
It works if you attack the head and get it lower than you. And almost lower than your hip height. So for a smaller person. Almost no hope in hell. Unless they try to bend and roll away.
While it's true that applying arm bars, like any joint lock, can be challenging, I also believe that if you apply this differently you can make it work even on someone who is resisting. The trick for me is to come from under the arm and pushing elbow in an upward and then downward arc as you spin the person down to the ground in a tight arc.
Yeah idk. I've done this before against non compliant subjects (full contact sparring) before. Sure it doesn't work if you actively do it incorrectly. But that's just obvious.
Problem is if you're with someone who's just not cooperating and you escalate into a takedown attempt you have to know this shoot is really vulnerable to both a sprawl and a guillotine choke, depending on how fast the other guy is. So you have to be sneaky and get the back really fast.
Good work. I love watching your videos because here the viewer can see a smaller guy demonstrating techniques on a larger opponent. 99% of martial arts videos on UA-cam are a large guy small attacker.
To make that arm bar work that you showed at the beginning- put your elbow under his arm below his elbow and lift his arm upward, almost like a vertical upward elbow strike - this lifts the shoulder, causing it to "disconnect" and lose strength. then roll the arm forward and down he will go.
Really nice! just came across this channel love it. Im a paramedic from Nova Scotia with 4 months Bjj experience. But honestly (tho bjj taught me SO MUCH) i learned most of my self defense (mostly bjj self defense) from YT! Gracie academy and Stephen Kesting (his old and new channel) taught me a lot.. and glad to have a new channel on the list!!! I'll have to practice this! I like how simple it is. Just wanna say at 3:27 looks like the guy on bottom COULD do a trap and roll escape. (probs wont happen with someone who doesn't grapple) but just wanted to point that out! I only notice that because the trap and roll has worked wonders for me hahahaha
Look up Walt Bayless combat jiujitsu takedowns on UA-cam. The tapes came out in the 90's so they're old and kinda silly production wise but he was an absolute genius and his tapes are solid gold as far as technique.
In BJJ there are rules and soft mats. But the other key thing I saw you do was dropping your hips slightly lower than his, which helped to keep him a little off balance. I've used your technique with larger aggressive people and it keeps you safe even if you can't ground them, while keeping an eye on what's going on around you. Good job!
"done correctly" ...to people drunk enough that they start responding to the gravitational pull of all gravitational points in our solar system at the same time or people that are otherwise no real threat but to anybody physically weaker, as well as weaker of mind? Got it.
Yea, while I really like the take down in the video (and have worked different versions of it), I do NOT consider the arm bar take down ineffective. I will agree with what the big bouncer said tho - this is SAFER.
@@Leadfoot_P71 A class one lever is the most efficient motion, like a teeter-totter on a playground. In a Class-1 Lever, the FULCRUM is in the center (at the elbow). The EFFORT should be you pulling on the wrist, and the LOAD is the opponent's shoulder (and thus their body) going in the opposite direction of the EFFORT. I have been a Law Enforcement and Security trainer for over 30 years and constantly have to retrain people that learned how to do the arm-bar as a Class-3 Lever (pushing in the center at what should be the fulcrum. It is inefficient and difficult to do on a bigger opponent but most D.T. instructors tend to be big guys. I was not a big guy and thus my instructor, Taika Seiyu Oyata, taught me do do it as a Class-1 Lever as well as a few other tricks. When you push on the elbow, you have moved the fulcrum to the shoulder, you have to use a lot more force as it is now a Class 3 Lever and extremely inefficient. Anyone pushing down on the elbow, relying on the weight of their body on the elbow, to force an opponent down does not understand the simple physics of the 3 simple machines (levers). Below is the first thing that showed up on google for a search of Lever classes. www.school-for-champions.com/machines/levers_classess.htm#.XcMkoZJKhhE
@@KCRyuShinKan Wow, that was really interesting. Thank you for taking the time and explaining! So when doing this take-down, rather than pushing with my elbow I should be pulling with my hand and just kind of keeping my elbow still, right?
Just curious, not doubting the technique- did anyone ever try to catch you with a hook, headbutt or back elbow when applying this? I saw a few of those opportunities there, but maybe low-mid threat suspects don't usually see them or try to capitalize?
Joe Blank i agree Maybe you should experience how hard it can be to secure a takedown with a smaller but broad opponent when not in jiu jitsu class and people give away the takedowns because their guard is dangerous
Very similar to my favorite takedown. I got all the way behind the opponent, turn to one side and kneel on one knee with the leg farthest from the opponent. Let's say I turned to my right, my right knee would be posted while my left leg bends to 90 degrees and acts to trip the opponent's legs. If the opponent manages to just keep their feet, drive hard with your right leg into a body lock takedown. The sudden change in the angle of the takedown should be enough to finish the takedown. If it's a self defense situation, they might try for a weapon once you take their back, get a two on one or a double one on one to immobilize their arms and proceed with the rest of the takedown as normal.
Idea for the video: Use of rubber guard in self defence? I like how practical you are with this videos(no bullshito) so I am interested what do you really think about that? That style of bjj is praised by its founders to be best used in the streets and mma. Great content as always, dude. Stay safe with your family. 🤙
This was always my highest percentage takedown when I was grappling. It is trivially easy if you fake to tip them forwards before rocking them back like a baby. Once you get that side position, it's very very effective.
You were an officer of the law?? I did not know that! Man. Thank you for your service and bravery! Before I thought you were a pretty good comedian when you poked fun at Karate Nerd and Master Wong (Classic btw!). Now I have a new bound respect ✊ for you brother! I’m going to make sure I’m a subscriber if I’m already not. Is there a specific name for this takedown. I love it it’s very simple. I call it the NFL tackle.
Great video! This is something that isn't addressed often enough and doesn't show up much in combat sports (even grappling-oriented ones) and is predictably absent in the RBSD curriculums out there: how to handle someone who is passively resisting but not aggressive. Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on Gracie Survival Tactics? A sound approach to police DT training if someone does the requisite mat work?
Why did you tap the far shoulder instead of snatching an arm drag or doing a full duck under? I realize this works too because I’ve used just a regular body lock, but to me arm drags and duck unders work better than shooting for body locks.
I’m 57yo female 130 lbs. I walk with a service dog and have had many opportunities to practice defending my dog, (the most expensive medical equipment I own), against other dogs. In my waist band, I carry mace, a stellar whistle, and gloves. I always have my trusty screwdriver too. I think by watching your videos, and some practice, I could take a more offensive position with ANY attacker! Thanks!
No se si vas a leer este mensaje, pero quería dejarlo. Hace unos días descubrí tu canal, y vi muchos de tus videos al día de hoy. El otro día vi éste video, luego de unas horas, intentaron asaltarme, y muchas de las técnicas que enseñaste (en especial ésta), me sirvieron para impedir el robo y desarmar al ladrón. Gracias. Gracias por explicarte tan bien y por lo que hacés. Sigue así.
No ‘one’ technique works in isolation in all situations. Especially once the adrenaline kicks in. Fluid transitions are the order of the day. If your opponent loads up resistance in one direction or fixed point, skilful transition in the opposite direction generally catches them off guard. Take that arm bar...as they resist by kinking the elbow in a slight bend, rub your pressure arm inside the elbow bend. Turn your torso in opposite direction to creat a classic figure of 4 lock. Easy to take down and continue into a restraint with them side down on the ground and all limbs deactivated. I grant that it takes time to gain fluid skills. This is the real difficulty for law enforcement etc. Only option is to train beyond enforcement programs. Love the channel. Keeping it real.
That's a pretty standard Gracie style bjj takedown. It'd work just fine in a tournament. The only reason I think you don't see it much in bjj is the fact its really hard to get double unders or a bodylock on another grappler. Because guys will be fighting for underhooks.
Straight arm bar works when done correctly. You gotta torque his hand by placing his back hand at the seam of you pants pocket. His Palm should be facing out. I always taught it as if you welded the back of his hand to your seam running down your pants... his back hand should be glued to the side of your leg. You use your body to step out stretching his arm, making the arm bar work. You don't muscle the arm bar at his chest hight, that's why it does t work. Your arm strength is greatest at chest hight, you gotta bring his hand down. But in case you're ready to argue, the brilliant part of the arm bar is when they do pull back you throw a wrist lock with their momentum. Working in corrections, booking and serving warrants I used it more times then I can count. Arm bar works, but if it doesn't it's a great set up for "come along" techniques.
I happened to come across this. You make an interesting point on the straight arm bar. LOL - there is always a BUTTTT though. The straight armbar only works if you go under and roll over the triceps muscle. That is where your leverage comes in. Also, if they bend the arm it sets them up for a gooseneck. And yes, I used this stuff in the field. I liked your takedown. I used to use a variation where you locked their foot with yours and leveraged back. Anyway, my apologies for being the BUTTTT guy.
0:47 I know what you're trying to show, but there are ways to make a straight armbar take down work when the guy is resisting. I trained with a guy who couldn't be armbared without perfect technique and I'm not saying I'm a pro nor am I saying it's practical, I'm just saying it's possible.
I feel like the most practical reason you'd use the police arm bar thing is against attackers that don't require a weapon to arrest, but you don't want them getting too close to you, or being able to attack you. Like a really drunk adult woman, or a 6 foot tall child... With a kitchen knife... I guess. They can't effectively attack you with the other hand when you're pushing their back forward like that. It wouldn't work on really anyone if they're expecting it, so I think the best way to use it is to whip the person towards you so they loosen their arm. I tried it with my brother, it kind of worked, but he still knew what I was doing so he got out (he doesn't have a belt, but he has some BJJ experience). But I could see it working with the whip effect if they don't know what you're doing.
Assuming you have called for backup on the radio, before the "slap fight" begins..... once the suspect is on the ground, with you on top , every second that you can maintain control without losing your weapon -- the backup unit is getting closer and closer. With EXTREMELY violent subjects, I have seen it take up to 6 people to get them in cuffs. (This man was a welder, and in his work, wrestled steel parts around all day long. Not only was he naturally strong as an ox , he was mental-- Very bad combination)
As a 6'2 guy who was 175 pounds. I was a former police officer and i had to used some karate and judo to takedowns to make my arrest. I also used those takedowns that you did as well.
I was a cop for 17 years. Your takedowns look good and effective. I wish I had that training in the academy back in ‘99. However, that straight arm takedown does work when done properly. You “demonstrated “ was just pushing on the arm in an almost comical way. There’s a lot more to it, including footwork and body positioning.
Agreed. That's how I see most people trying it, and of course the technique will not work if you apply it improperly. Not that anything works 100% of the time, but if you totally disregard a technique you're taking a tool out of your toolbox.
Exactly. From the get go his position and weight distribution are incorrect . If you u der stand Jiu Jitsu you realize you want to concentrate for e and not try to muscle through it. You should be moving , putting g your shoulder into his arm another r the el iw , and pull his arm up to force him to the floor, or across your body.I had no problem using this technique . I am around 5,9 ,165lbs
The issue is it requires a lot of set up and a very technical position for it to work properly. If you mess up one step it won't work and will put you in a bad position. A move like demonstrated in the video requires very little set up and not a ton of skill to perform it efficiently
27 years as a LEO in a major city. My entire career working the worst districts. I refuse to go to the ground with anyone because now I’ve just leveled the playing field with my suspect. I either have compliance or I don’t. If I don’t get compliance, they’re eating OC, Taser, Baton, or a combination of all 3. It just depends on the level of resistance. There’s zero reason to go to the ground. I’ve never lost an arrest, been hurt, got my partner hurt, or seriously injured a suspect. All my encounters ended within 30 seconds or less . Going to the ground = dog piles and then people get hurt. His homies will come over and get a free shot on you while you’re dicking around on the ground. This is great for security and bouncers. Not good for cops.
seen a jiu jitsu takedown almost the same as that, except you would stick your right foot behind his right foot, bracing it, from that clinch position, then sit back, pull him backwards over your leg, while rolling him to your right side so they don't land on top of you, and you take mount position. They also did a kick to the knee to initiate the clinch, not a slap game lol
Great. Though if I suspect they have a weapon I'd worry about this. Wrestling (of whatever type) can simply help you understand balance (big difference between 'knowing' a technique and understanding balance). I remember a big guy trying to throw me and I tucked underneath and threw him (instinct) and he cracked his head open and ended up in hospital. Heads bleed alot.
As a someone doing volounteer work as a bouncer/security (guy in the yellow vest)/first aid/mental & narc/alcohol aid I sometimes run into clients that need to be controlled mostly for their own good due to them beign out of control and acting irrationally or suicide risk I find this one very usable do to low risks. I was wondering if you would happen to have some more tools to my toolbox in controlling and restraining people I'd rather not hurt, but at the same time keeping my self and my collegues safe? As far as my background goes started bjj for couple of months ago and not beign the fittest or strongest of people. I realise this channels content is more aimed towards different goals, but there isn't very much information about "safer" moves in YT...
One very important point is that if you're the cop, the other guy is almost never thinking about hurting you. He's thinking about running away. All so true. But since most of us are not cops in uniform, if I find myself in the same situation, it's a lot harder to pull this move off. As I'm moving in and looking for his right forearm to slap in the entry move, the other guy is seeing an opening for a huge overhand right or right hook against my jaw or my temple. Then I'm dazed and lying on the ground, and the other guy is breaking my ribs with a series of heavy kicks before I can figure out where I am. So, this move probably works, but you have to have that intimidating cop uniform on, and it works even better if your partner is standing on the side with his hand resting on his firearm.
You weren’t bending the hand backwards into the body fingers towards you. My first use of force as a correctional officer was the arm bar. The key is that hand. Joint lock flow man.
That shit only works if the person you're doing it to is either really weak or completely uninitiated. If they're already postured up for a fight then forget it
This is known as a clinch. BJJ 101 self defense, not competitive. Or used in any sort of controlled force. Its a good move and all LEO should be taught it. I myself use this while apprehending suspects. Try to contol that opposite arm if possible.
The straight armbar can work, but definitely not when the wrist is straight like that. You have to bend the wrist and push it toward the arm. The manipulation of the wrist should be what's turning the person, not you pushing the elbow, that's basically just a point to secure the position with (you can also use the shoulder). You're also probably not going to get a straight armbar very easily. it's low percentage because of how difficult it is to actually get to a position where you're actually able to turn the wrist and execute this technique. Most combat sport gloves also support the wrist making any manipulation of the wrist outright impractical, so it's almost never seen in that context. It is also pretty difficult on significantly bigger people, but once you have it, it is a pretty secure position that you can do a lot with. The takedown in this video is a great technique though, and is far more consistent than a standing armbar. I would wonder if it might be a bit easier to step behind that standing leg to basically turn this into a trip rather than using the knee.
Look up a proper arm drag. If for sure works in almost every combat sport. In this video he tries a very sloppy version that i dont really see working on any real athlete.
I have always found the armbar at the start ridiculous when done with the arm or hand pushing against the elbow. However, you may find recorded examples of standing armbars working (too good in the following case as it snapped) like the match Aoki/Wisniewski. The difference is that there is real connection between the attacked arm and your body (chest/armpit...). So there is not just a weak limb working, you maximise your body weight and force against the elbow. In my (limited) experience, resisting opponent try to bend their arm hard while moving, which makes easier a sudden change of direction. In a sport context, you find applications in judo for instance to "relax" the opponent when he does "stiff arms" against you by creating "a little shock" (sic) before throwing him the other way ( *World champion Neil Adams advocates it in his book on armbars and armlocks* ).
These type of techniques need to be addressed more. As you know, most people aren't actually fighting they are trying to flee. This creates a different dynamic when grappling with somebody that's trying to get up and get away from you.
Obviously I'm coming to this *WAAAY* late; still, great stuff (even my wife is enjoying watching with me!) * Question on this takedown: is there any danger of getting one of your hands stuck *under* they person you're taking down? It looks like that's possibility, but know that there's often a lot more control than it looks like on a video. * Observation/question: looks like with the main control of the takedown being around the waist, there's a built-in opportunity to do some incidental examination of the waistline for concealed weapons (as long as I'm here, I might as well check, or at least be paying attention to the odd pokey-hard things I feel under my arms). Is this something that happens, or that you've functionally done, during this takedown? Keep up the great and infotaining work!
Idk. I've used that style of takedown in wrestling. I'm a little more behind the guy than the side, and I usually put a foot to the heel of the side I'm pulling down. Similar to how you did with the knee. And in wrestling I always had the 2 on 1.
Well this is a good question, I've been a cop for over 12 years and I have never encountered somebody that has trained. Most bad guys are not out here getting their work out on. Doesn't mean it can't happen but it's not likely.
The body lock is very effective but I wouldn't discount the arm bar. The problem with the arm bar is people not committing to it and pulling that wrist in to trap it... so they end up doing the ring around the rosie dance.
Thanks for the video, I have been doing security for a while and was armed for three years in St. Louis. I have had to use a bunch of jujitsu to take down shoplifters.
I don't know about sport BJJ, but getting all the way behind like that is covered in Gracie jiu-jitsu. The typical rear takedown is a little different. But it's taught at white belt.
Yesterday we did a small pressure test on this one. It will definetly work, and it is better then most common methods. However you will need some underlying fighting skill because the belly turn can turn ugly pretty quick. We ended up on the bottom a lot, maybe we did simething wrong?? Nontheless thank you verry much for the techniqe.
Yep. If you are not training with Active and Real resistance your tactics will only work in Staged encounters and fail you when you need them to work. Be safe. Practice slow until it goes smooth and fast naturally.
I used a similar take down to this while arresting a person. He was a smaller man but when I took stand back control I was able to lift him and place on his belly giving me back control. But while that happened he turtled his hands in effectively wrapping my arms above the elbows and using both my body weight and his to keep them pinned under him. I ended up just planting my feet and lifting till the pressure was too great for him to keep a grip. But how do you avoid this
"straight arm-bar takedown" works in certain situations, just need to know how to do, get above the other person's should, use both hands and waist together. It's hard to do yeah
Ude Gatame can be done on big strong guys who resist. In resisting, most likely they will bend the arm at the elbow. If they bend the arm you can put them straight into a variation of Ude Garami. But here in applying the Ude Gatame lock Tori doesn't even try to get the Uke's shoulder low/ wrist high. Also, there is a very easy way to bring them down onto their belly from Ude Gatame, but that isn't shown here. Just straightening the arm and trying to force the lock on does not equal an effective Ude Gatame. lol
Bollocks I've been a prison officer for 12 years . The straight arm bar ( as you call it ) works every time . Just not the way your doing it . Firstly if you teach it as an arm bar it will never ever work . You have to move the rotor cuff . This is done by generating movement yourself .. I.e a bit of softening up first .. knee strikes our body movement. Pulling or better still pushing the extension of the rotor cuff away from the shoulder. Or your move forward into there strike I.e extend the right rotor cuff by moving the arm quickly ( with two points of contact , lower forearm ,elbow) through the left shoulder. Your take down might be great for an attacker who isn't going to fight back or doesn't have any friends with him . Going to the ground without a team in a restraint will get you killed in a prison. Let alone any pub in the UK. I have only just subscribed to this channel this crap has me realising I got it wrong .. Seriously doing a technique badly is your argument for it not working ? Ikkyo or the straight arm bar as you call it ( by the way it isn't an arm bar ) . I have used countless times on high , aggressive, every day in the gym prisoners regularly. Do you have to adapt it? yes Can it do serious damage ? Absolutely but not without an extension. When teaching police I notice they never use an extension just keep pushing on a strong arm maybe this is how you've got it so wrong. Funny how when your pal didn't get ready for it , it worked never once have I restrained someone that didn't expect to beat the shit out of me .so were not ready for the response . 9 times out 10 They expect capitulation. They expect because they are in the gym all day to win. Lots of things can happen when you don't see it coming .
Aikido can work but its not the best thing agains a super violent attack...but if someone starts to square up but not throwing punches...I have had a lot of success with combining kotegaeshi with sankyo...because if they resist one they assist the other. Also its easy to go from sankyo to ikkyo to finally put them on the floor and pin them. I have used the same technique off a basic collar-tie to sort of arrest opponents movement. Some asshole grabbed me by my neck tie once and I kotegaeshi'ed his fat ass right to his knees. You gotta be careful letting people go though...sometimes they swing on you. Got punched in the face once...penalty for being nice...gitta remember the only thing worse than a bully is a humiliated bully.
I know this is an old thread, but I've also used the "armbar takedown" against psych patients (18/19 year old big dudes and some 13 year old girls too lol), adult inmates, and against training partners resisting for pressure testing. I think it helps that I'm a big dude with a belly. Also if you do it fast with a lot of intensity it is hard to resist. I think against bigger guys with even basic skills (like me) it's harder to pull off.
I am a bouncer at a gentlemans club, I'm also a really big guy: 6'5" and 350lbs. I like this take down not only because it's so effective but also because there is a low probability of me hurting the person accidentally. Not only is this safe for me but ultimately it's safe for the person I'm taking down as well. Thank you gentleman for your always informative and entertaining videos. Myself and the other primary at the club purchased Stinger Tactical Whips based on your video reviews. They are excellent deterrents. Thanks again.
How well does it work when you're taller than your opponent?
Christopher Hyatt Jesus Christ man you’re HUGE
same here with the whips...we're now carrying them outside while walking entertainers and staff to their cars...May have to deal with more than 1 guy and still have to get the ladies to their car or back inside; and you have lots of room to move and operate the whip in the lot...3 or more guys; the pepper spray comes out
@sonder sonder they must be very drunk
doesn't hurt but is dropping mf 350 pounds on em
"As we are playing this slap-fight game"
*All judokas immediately triggered*
I did judo for years and he is absolutely right 🤣
We Judokas have traumas with the slap-fight
As a former judoka, I'm in this comment and I don't like it.
looks like catch wrestling to me
@@twistedbydsign99 a big part of catch wrestling is base on judo,even if they don't use the gi a lot of the system is similar in positioning and ground work
I love how when you said 13 year old little girls, he pointed at you :D
Jonathan Flamholtz he thinks he is hilarious
The odd part about the "police" arm bar is it can actually work if done properly and the other person isn't ready for it. Basically hits a pressure point which makes you lose control of your hand for a split second ( which is just enough time to gain advantage when needed)
I took BJJ lessons for a few years and i was talking smack to a buddy who was a cop. I told him " keep it up pig and I'll put an arm bar on ya "
He quickly did the "police" arm bar on me replying ..." oh you mean this 1???" I wasn't really expecting him to attack me but..... Yep he put me down quick with it and i felt like a helpless little girl 🤣 I did get him back by throwing an ankle lock on him and tossing his ass on the ground with it. Ahhh it's nice to have fun with friends !
@@hard2hurt what if you tackle or punch during the process?
@@henryposadas3309 *EXACTLY!* Most cops are VERY poorly trained at the one thing (Chin Na) that all cops SHOULD become EXPERT'S at.
I've seen MANY cops embarrass themselves and fail at their poorly done joint manipulation efforts even against scrawny or overweight teenagers who did NOT want to comply.
Don't blame the art, blame YOUR poor training, lack of proper technique or technical understanding.
henry Posadas I’m not saying the armbar is useless, but until we see it applied in sparring or caught in real-life on camera, it is useless.
I'm so glad someone is finally addressing the "low intensity" fighting so common in police work.
Yeah. It's something that's not really addressed in many combat sports and not at all addressed in the "STREET" systems. The vast majority of times an officer is going hands-on with someone, they're non-compliant but not aggressive. They're two different things and the former doesn't necessarily necessitate going 100% shooting for a takedown or a throw. Something between strict verbal commands and full-intensity grappling is invaluable.
The last martial art technique i used on da streetz was a basic single hand wrist look I always told myself was stupid and would never work, some tripper came up to take my bike and as his hand touched the seat I grabbed it and wrist locked him onto the ground. Worked a treat
I wonder why?
Toooooooooo common
They're pretty intense if you see them in action they sure don't hold off on going 100% even on defenseless ppl.. gotta respect a real one who knows his power and to hold it back
Yes! For anyone wondering if this guy is legit, he absolutely is. I work security and as a bouncer and apply my mma when needed and I have done this exact move several times. I have gone through a lot of his videos and so far have not found any bullshit
I’m a UK Police Officer & your channel is great. We don’t have the option of going for a gun so this type of technique is great. I have used the straight arm bar take down on a much bigger suspect & it worked perfectly but I had one cuff on & he was only offering passive resistance, not active resistance. Keep up the good work!
Do you want roll with me on the mat.
you ve got a loicense to watch such youtube videos?
Yes, good stuff. There's too much out there that comes out of the minds of big guys who are used to dominating beforehand and during altercations. IMO, if something doesn't work for smaller then it's not a robust technique for the street where most people fighting for their skins are going to be smaller just due to the MO of predatory people.
Yeah if you are strong, experienced and outweigh the guy by 100 pounds you can make anything work.
Never in my history of altercation has it ever been hey bigger and in better shape guy f*ck you.
I like this video because y'all demonstrated on the ASPHALT (where most struggles occur, dangit) and didn't get scuffed up! 👏
We learned something similar in Judo. From that body lock the opponent may spin to face you, so spin in the same direction and use that momentum for the dump/throw. I'm liking this strategy as well.
Makes my life as hospital security a lot easier, thank you!
I'm definitely going to work on this maneuver. Combative situations are almost daily in my hospital.
Same! Came here for tips other than the ones they give us that don't actually work
Normal wrestling/judo/bjj style takedown. The backtake could be way smoother and efficient, but solid sequence overall. Good strategy and like you said high percentage
Brometheus Marmalade thanks, I am terribly rusty, which I alluded to in the video, but one important part of what we use is that we do NOT have to be super smooth, technical grappling wizards.
Brometheus Marmalade its also relatively idiot proof.
Yep. We have this too in Combat Shuai Chiao.
@@Zack1440 yeah man we also have it in bullshido
@@godeater6382 That was just a *dick* comment. Do you even know what Shuai Chiao is, or did you just assume that it must be some useless Kung Fu because of its name?
I'd never heard of it, but instead of typing up a dick comment, I took a whole 2 minutes out of my day to do a quick search, and a few more minutes out of my day to watch a couple of videos. Seems pretty legit to me: Chinese Judo, in essence. But _even if_ it was a completely useless, unrealistic Kung Fu, that _still_ wouldn't justify you being such a dick!
I was a street cop for 7 years. My go to take down was feign that straight arm takedown then go into a figure four when they pushed back and take them backwards at a 45 with a leg sweep or boot to the back of their knee. It almost always worked and usually went perfectly into a ground control position with one of my knees on their face and the other in their armpit. Most importantly, it let me control their dominant hand, aka weapon hand and made it easy to get a cuff on that wrist quickly. I learned that while in the military but it really should be used by patrol cops everywhere.
I do however have a blooper video of this going wrong in a fast food restaurant. I tried to do it and the damn straight arm takedown worked and put the guys face through a glass divider between the booths and the cashiers. But after that, the figure four worked perfectly.
Use that move now and end up with your knee on the guy's face, and you can look up and see 8-10 guys shooting videos with their cell phones. In the morning you will already have been fired from the police force, multiple excess force and police brutality charges against you have been brought, and you also get a call from a personal injury lawyer informing you that you're being sued personally along with your PD for $100 million. So, these days things are different. Taser em if you have to. Don't let anyone see you with a knee on a face.
I was taught this as a counter to a failed arm bar take down where it takes them by surprise going the other way. You have to stay in close and do it fluidly though and takes practice. More practice than they give us paid training time to perfect and stay competent in through the years.
This will straight up not be practical when there's a size/strength disparity and smaller officers will need to up the force level most likely
@@Ironfangzu Way to create your own narrative of what actually happened..
Solid. I’ve used this same concept for 20 years and it very rarely requires brute force.
I like this. For me, I love the straight armbar takedown and it has been my go-to without fail the last 22 years as an LEO. I've used it many, many, times and really haven't had much of a failure with it. Granted I am larger than most people I arrest and have a long history of championship powerlifting, so I am stronger than most everyone I deal with on the street, but I'm going to learn this one. As I get older, I need to implement more effective techniques because eventually, I won't be stronger than the people I'm dealing with. Great stuff.
I first watched this video a couple weeks ago and I was like "I'm going to try it". Tonight I had an opportunity to use this and it worked perfectly! Simple and effective.
I was a high school and, briefly, college wrestler, then a police officer for 16 years; I used the straight arm bar takedow all the time with a lot of success, and it wasn’t against 13 year old girls either. Of course if you have a takedown dummy half again your size standing there doing nothing its not going to work, but in a dynamic situation where the subject has gotten unbalanced or out of position it works like a charm. One of the few moves I learned in the academy that actually did work.
Like Rex said, “break the wrist and walk away, I’m gonna break the wrist and walk away.” 🤣🤣
Rex kwon do?
(1) breaking a wrist can be very difficult with non compliant person (2) someone is drugged, very aggressive or armed will use their other weapons/limbs
20 yr NYPD vet, jiu-jitsu hobbyist, I absolutely love your channel for the real talk, humor, and consistent great information.
i like how you put a "100% resistance" walkthrough at the end.. was a bit wondering about it but that sold it... if it was a 100% resistance
Tapping the elbow is called Tok Sao in Wing Chun. It's a great method of entry and control. Nice video.
*It's funny, for the most part, Jay looks like he's annoyed to be in the video but, in the outtakes he's having so much fun.*
This is not my favorite joint lock but I have used others liken to Aikido in live situation. When it comes to these I feel it is just as foolish to say they don't work, as it is to say they will always work. They can work! The larger and stronger your opponent, the less effective almost any technique will be...thats just reality of physics. But many things work on a large opponent if they dont expect it or with the right set up. A jab to the face will set many options up without breaking your hand..Jab-cross, jab-jointlock, jab-takedown, jab-spinning back kick to the groin lol. The point is distract then attack. The jab doesnt nevessarily have to connect. I tout thr jab on this channel a lot but to me using it is the cardinal difference between being a fighter and a brawler.
Yeh 100%. Sometimes cheesy wristlocks work because fights are all different.. if they're not fully engaged often useful. Not every confrontation is two huge guys with knives out to kill you. Sometimes it's a skinny 12 year old with a baseball bat.
@@elizajames477 Agreed. I have actually used kote gaeshi multiple times IRL. Once when my drunk friend tried to push me. Getting aggressive. Once when someone grabbed me by my necktie. I think the joint locks from aikido work. Just not the way aikido teaches it. You are not gonna catch someone's wrist mid-air. But if you intercept with a punch or clinch first it can work.
“It’s gonna look like some shot that doesn’t work on anybody”, so true, ground fighting doesn’t look impressive, it’s just effective
I have used this basic takedown in multiple situations and it works every time. When I was wrestling freestyle we trained hour upon hour with this move because you can drop down for a single leg takedown, apply it as you demonstrated or lift the opponent and slam him to the ground. Of course on the ground you can go to the choke or arm bars or chops and hammer fists to the back of the neck depending upon the threat level.
That straight arm thing - don't you use any kind of atemi before putting that on? Like, traditional (non-Brazilian) jiujitsu teaches you to do stuff like smack 'em in the face or kidneys or something so they're not concentrating on their arm when you do it. Normally when we did it it was with a double-handed grip on the hand, get the wrist-lock, twist, and it's on - though I fully appreciate that traditional JJ is taught in a bullshido, aikido way of doing things, drilling with a compliant uke - but the biomechanics is what it is. The hard part is the wrist interception in an actual fight.
From what I see, very few people who teach or criticise JJ techniques don't understand or apply any of the small details involved. Amongst other schools, I trained at a Bujinkan school for 6 months, you can say what you like about them, and its true 99% of them couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, but the body mechanics and skill level (of the teacher at that school) was very impressive....
Criticizing the straight arm bar, and seeing it done incorrectly seems only to advance BJJ as the true Jiu Jitsu when itbus really wrestling. As stated when performed correctly with Atemi waza and strikes it works . We taught the stand up techniques to police., security, corrections and they all used it effectively. You want the opponent on the ground , put them there, you don’t have to be rolling around with them.
Cool! I'll try to play with this.
Straight armbars/locks can work, though. They probably typically seem bogus because they're often not performed properly! It's easy to screw them up if you don't know the mechanics behind them (e.g., proper hand placement, proper leverage, control maintenance, utilization of the elbow and radial nerve, etc.). But with enough understanding and practice, those can be fierce, fast, and nasty.
I'm about 130 pounds (on a fat day). I'm wondering how both would go against someone 70 pounds heavier!
PO from 🇨🇦 here and thank you for this video ……. We get taught that useless arm takedown ……. This is far superior in so many ways!!! Keep the law enforcement tutorials coming !
Best takedown I have found as well, I usually teach them to secure the far side arm so they have no ability to turn in to me OR break their fall with it. We just did this in my LEO class yesterday.
The first move does work when applied with a reverse wrist lock then elbow roll into a shoulder lock. Also utilized with one handcuff on with that technique its brutal. I used it for 23 years in the streets of the Bronx and Manhattan. But I also studied jiu-jitsu before going into law enforcement in 93. But the side grab takedown is also effective. Be mindful to push that hand/arm out of the way or you will get into a headlock. Great stuff, love the video.
It works if you attack the head and get it lower than you. And almost lower than your hip height. So for a smaller person. Almost no hope in hell. Unless they try to bend and roll away.
While it's true that applying arm bars, like any joint lock, can be challenging, I also believe that if you apply this differently you can make it work even on someone who is resisting. The trick for me is to come from under the arm and pushing elbow in an upward and then downward arc as you spin the person down to the ground in a tight arc.
Yeah idk. I've done this before against non compliant subjects (full contact sparring) before. Sure it doesn't work if you actively do it incorrectly. But that's just obvious.
Problem is if you're with someone who's just not cooperating and you escalate into a takedown attempt you have to know this shoot is really vulnerable to both a sprawl and a guillotine choke, depending on how fast the other guy is. So you have to be sneaky and get the back really fast.
Dont see this being vulnerable to a sprawl, guilotine yes but if you keep your head up and keep your right shoulder up it shouldn’t be easy to do
Good work. I love watching your videos because here the viewer can see a smaller guy demonstrating techniques on a larger opponent. 99% of martial arts videos on UA-cam are a large guy small attacker.
To make that arm bar work that you showed at the beginning- put your elbow under his arm below his elbow and lift his arm upward, almost like a vertical upward elbow strike - this lifts the shoulder, causing it to "disconnect" and lose strength. then roll the arm forward and down he will go.
Nothing like watching Young IcyMike!!
Really nice! just came across this channel love it.
Im a paramedic from Nova Scotia with 4 months Bjj experience. But honestly (tho bjj taught me SO MUCH) i learned most of my self defense (mostly bjj self defense) from YT!
Gracie academy and Stephen Kesting (his old and new channel) taught me a lot.. and glad to have a new channel on the list!!!
I'll have to practice this! I like how simple it is.
Just wanna say at 3:27 looks like the guy on bottom COULD do a trap and roll escape. (probs wont happen with someone who doesn't grapple) but just wanted to point that out!
I only notice that because the trap and roll has worked wonders for me hahahaha
Look up Walt Bayless combat jiujitsu takedowns on UA-cam. The tapes came out in the 90's so they're old and kinda silly production wise but he was an absolute genius and his tapes are solid gold as far as technique.
I worked security/bouncing for 8 years and have been teaching a defensive tactics class for 4 years now. I am a huge fan of this takedown.
You're channel is awesome brother. Thanks for the content. Way too many McDojos near me.
Love it!!! Used this one myself often as an officer!!!
I use this takedown a lot in sparring, and yes, it legit works on bigger opponents
In BJJ there are rules and soft mats. But the other key thing I saw you do was dropping your hips slightly lower than his, which helped to keep him a little off balance. I've used your technique with larger aggressive people and it keeps you safe even if you can't ground them, while keeping an eye on what's going on around you. Good job!
I'm a french policeman and so agree with you! Thank you for your channel!
Tell us about the criminality in France. Do the migrants have weapons If so what kinds? Do they attack solo or in groups only? How. Merci!
The straight arm bar take down does work extremely well actually when done correctly.
It takes a Hapkido guy to see that. :)
Right, he uses his arm on the same side, judo players are taught to extend the arm across the rib cage with two on one wrist control.
@@andrewl.8626 Yeah I was thinking I have never seen a double wrist lock fail, that arm is coming home with you one way or another.
"done correctly" ...to people drunk enough that they start responding to the gravitational pull of all gravitational points in our solar system at the same time or people that are otherwise no real threat but to anybody physically weaker, as well as weaker of mind? Got it.
Yea, while I really like the take down in the video (and have worked different versions of it), I do NOT consider the arm bar take down ineffective. I will agree with what the big bouncer said tho - this is SAFER.
27 years law enforcement and no fail on arm-bars on much bigger opponents but I use it as a class-1 lever, not class-3 like depicted above.
@RON TER Didn't do 27 years behind a desk but thanks for your assumptions.
26 years... Arm bar never failed.
Sorry, what did you mean with class-1 and 3? Does that indicate level of resistance?
@@Leadfoot_P71 A class one lever is the most efficient motion, like a teeter-totter on a playground.
In a Class-1 Lever, the FULCRUM is in the center (at the elbow). The EFFORT should be you pulling on the wrist, and the LOAD is the opponent's shoulder (and thus their body) going in the opposite direction of the EFFORT.
I have been a Law Enforcement and Security trainer for over 30 years and constantly have to retrain people that learned how to do the arm-bar as a Class-3 Lever (pushing in the center at what should be the fulcrum. It is inefficient and difficult to do on a bigger opponent but most D.T. instructors tend to be big guys. I was not a big guy and thus my instructor, Taika Seiyu Oyata, taught me do do it as a Class-1 Lever as well as a few other tricks.
When you push on the elbow, you have moved the fulcrum to the shoulder, you have to use a lot more force as it is now a Class 3 Lever and extremely inefficient. Anyone pushing down on the elbow, relying on the weight of their body on the elbow, to force an opponent down does not understand the simple physics of the 3 simple machines (levers).
Below is the first thing that showed up on google for a search of Lever classes.
www.school-for-champions.com/machines/levers_classess.htm#.XcMkoZJKhhE
@@KCRyuShinKan Wow, that was really interesting. Thank you for taking the time and explaining! So when doing this take-down, rather than pushing with my elbow I should be pulling with my hand and just kind of keeping my elbow still, right?
best fighting channel ever... respect from Bulgaria
Just curious, not doubting the technique- did anyone ever try to catch you with a hook, headbutt or back elbow when applying this? I saw a few of those opportunities there, but maybe low-mid threat suspects don't usually see them or try to capitalize?
Been taking jujitsu for a long time and it looks like a solid take down to me.
Thats because you dont train standing up enough
Joe Blank i agree Maybe you should experience how hard it can be to secure a takedown with a smaller but broad opponent when not in jiu jitsu class and people give away the takedowns because their guard is dangerous
Very similar to my favorite takedown. I got all the way behind the opponent, turn to one side and kneel on one knee with the leg farthest from the opponent. Let's say I turned to my right, my right knee would be posted while my left leg bends to 90 degrees and acts to trip the opponent's legs. If the opponent manages to just keep their feet, drive hard with your right leg into a body lock takedown. The sudden change in the angle of the takedown should be enough to finish the takedown. If it's a self defense situation, they might try for a weapon once you take their back, get a two on one or a double one on one to immobilize their arms and proceed with the rest of the takedown as normal.
Idea for the video:
Use of rubber guard in self defence?
I like how practical you are with this videos(no bullshito) so I am interested what do you really think about that?
That style of bjj is praised by its founders to be best used in the streets and mma.
Great content as always, dude.
Stay safe with your family. 🤙
Respect for take-downs on that surface!
This was always my highest percentage takedown when I was grappling. It is trivially easy if you fake to tip them forwards before rocking them back like a baby. Once you get that side position, it's very very effective.
You were an officer of the law?? I did not know that! Man. Thank you for your service and bravery! Before I thought you were a pretty good comedian when you poked fun at Karate Nerd and Master Wong (Classic btw!). Now I have a new bound respect ✊ for you brother! I’m going to make sure I’m a subscriber if I’m already not.
Is there a specific name for this takedown. I love it it’s very simple. I call it the NFL tackle.
Great video! This is something that isn't addressed often enough and doesn't show up much in combat sports (even grappling-oriented ones) and is predictably absent in the RBSD curriculums out there: how to handle someone who is passively resisting but not aggressive.
Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on Gracie Survival Tactics? A sound approach to police DT training if someone does the requisite mat work?
Why did you tap the far shoulder instead of snatching an arm drag or doing a full duck under? I realize this works too because I’ve used just a regular body lock, but to me arm drags and duck unders work better than shooting for body locks.
Dude, just stop letting him abuse you all the time in each video, hit him back! You're bigger! Common, you got it!
I’m 57yo female 130 lbs.
I walk with a service dog and have had many opportunities to practice defending my dog, (the most expensive medical equipment I own), against other dogs. In my waist band, I carry mace, a stellar whistle, and gloves. I always have my trusty screwdriver too. I think by watching your videos, and some practice, I could take a more offensive position with ANY attacker! Thanks!
Yeap, super useful, specifically after the guy throws you a left crochet.
Great video and thanks for filming it on asphalt!
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Hace unos días descubrí tu canal, y vi muchos de tus videos al día de hoy.
El otro día vi éste video, luego de unas horas, intentaron asaltarme, y muchas de las técnicas que enseñaste (en especial ésta), me sirvieron para impedir el robo y desarmar al ladrón.
Gracias.
Gracias por explicarte tan bien y por lo que hacés.
Sigue así.
Eso es loco. Gracias por ver.
No ‘one’ technique works in isolation in all situations. Especially once the adrenaline kicks in. Fluid transitions are the order of the day. If your opponent loads up resistance in one direction or fixed point, skilful transition in the opposite direction generally catches them off guard. Take that arm bar...as they resist by kinking the elbow in a slight bend, rub your pressure arm inside the elbow bend. Turn your torso in opposite direction to creat a classic figure of 4 lock. Easy to take down and continue into a restraint with them side down on the ground and all limbs deactivated.
I grant that it takes time to gain fluid skills. This is the real difficulty for law enforcement etc. Only option is to train beyond enforcement programs.
Love the channel. Keeping it real.
That's a pretty standard Gracie style bjj takedown. It'd work just fine in a tournament. The only reason I think you don't see it much in bjj is the fact its really hard to get double unders or a bodylock on another grappler. Because guys will be fighting for underhooks.
Straight arm bar works when done correctly.
You gotta torque his hand by placing his back hand at the seam of you pants pocket. His Palm should be facing out.
I always taught it as if you welded the back of his hand to your seam running down your pants... his back hand should be glued to the side of your leg. You use your body to step out stretching his arm, making the arm bar work. You don't muscle the arm bar at his chest hight, that's why it does t work. Your arm strength is greatest at chest hight, you gotta bring his hand down.
But in case you're ready to argue, the brilliant part of the arm bar is when they do pull back you throw a wrist lock with their momentum.
Working in corrections, booking and serving warrants I used it more times then I can count.
Arm bar works, but if it doesn't it's a great set up for "come along" techniques.
Exactly. Beware the Jack of all trades , and master of none
I happened to come across this. You make an interesting point on the straight arm bar. LOL - there is always a BUTTTT though. The straight armbar only works if you go under and roll over the triceps muscle. That is where your leverage comes in. Also, if they bend the arm it sets them up for a gooseneck. And yes, I used this stuff in the field. I liked your takedown. I used to use a variation where you locked their foot with yours and leveraged back. Anyway, my apologies for being the BUTTTT guy.
0:47 I know what you're trying to show, but there are ways to make a straight armbar take down work when the guy is resisting. I trained with a guy who couldn't be armbared without perfect technique and I'm not saying I'm a pro nor am I saying it's practical, I'm just saying it's possible.
I feel like the most practical reason you'd use the police arm bar thing is against attackers that don't require a weapon to arrest, but you don't want them getting too close to you, or being able to attack you. Like a really drunk adult woman, or a 6 foot tall child... With a kitchen knife... I guess. They can't effectively attack you with the other hand when you're pushing their back forward like that. It wouldn't work on really anyone if they're expecting it, so I think the best way to use it is to whip the person towards you so they loosen their arm. I tried it with my brother, it kind of worked, but he still knew what I was doing so he got out (he doesn't have a belt, but he has some BJJ experience). But I could see it working with the whip effect if they don't know what you're doing.
Assuming you have called for backup on the radio, before the "slap fight" begins..... once the suspect is on the ground, with you on top , every second that you can maintain control without losing your weapon -- the backup unit is getting closer and closer. With EXTREMELY violent subjects, I have seen it take up to 6 people to get them in cuffs. (This man was a welder, and in his work, wrestled steel parts around all day long. Not only was he naturally strong as an ox , he was mental-- Very bad combination)
2 on 1 go behind. Junior high school classic. One of the first three moves you learn in wresting .
As a 6'2 guy who was 175 pounds. I was a former police officer and i had to used some karate and judo to takedowns to make my arrest. I also used those takedowns that you did as well.
I was a cop for 17 years. Your takedowns look good and effective. I wish I had that training in the academy back in ‘99. However, that straight arm takedown does work when done properly. You “demonstrated “ was just pushing on the arm in an almost comical way. There’s a lot more to it, including footwork and body positioning.
Agreed. That's how I see most people trying it, and of course the technique will not work if you apply it improperly. Not that anything works 100% of the time, but if you totally disregard a technique you're taking a tool out of your toolbox.
Exactly. From the get go his position and weight distribution are incorrect . If you u der stand Jiu Jitsu you realize you want to concentrate for e and not try to muscle through it. You should be moving , putting g your shoulder into his arm another r the el iw , and pull his arm up to force him to the floor, or across your body.I had no problem using this technique . I am around 5,9 ,165lbs
The issue is it requires a lot of set up and a very technical position for it to work properly. If you mess up one step it won't work and will put you in a bad position. A move like demonstrated in the video requires very little set up and not a ton of skill to perform it efficiently
27 years as a LEO in a major city. My entire career working the worst districts. I refuse to go to the ground with anyone because now I’ve just leveled the playing field with my suspect. I either have compliance or I don’t. If I don’t get compliance, they’re eating OC, Taser, Baton, or a combination of all 3. It just depends on the level of resistance. There’s zero reason to go to the ground. I’ve never lost an arrest, been hurt, got my partner hurt, or seriously injured a suspect. All my encounters ended within 30 seconds or less . Going to the ground = dog piles and then people get hurt. His homies will come over and get a free shot on you while you’re dicking around on the ground. This is great for security and bouncers. Not good for cops.
seen a jiu jitsu takedown almost the same as that, except you would stick your right foot behind his right foot, bracing it, from that clinch position, then sit back, pull him backwards over your leg, while rolling him to your right side so they don't land on top of you, and you take mount position. They also did a kick to the knee to initiate the clinch, not a slap game lol
Great. Though if I suspect they have a weapon I'd worry about this. Wrestling (of whatever type) can simply help you understand balance (big difference between 'knowing' a technique and understanding balance). I remember a big guy trying to throw me and I tucked underneath and threw him (instinct) and he cracked his head open and ended up in hospital. Heads bleed alot.
As a someone doing volounteer work as a bouncer/security (guy in the yellow vest)/first aid/mental & narc/alcohol aid I sometimes run into clients that need to be controlled mostly for their own good due to them beign out of control and acting irrationally or suicide risk I find this one very usable do to low risks.
I was wondering if you would happen to have some more tools to my toolbox in controlling and restraining people I'd rather not hurt, but at the same time keeping my self and my collegues safe?
As far as my background goes started bjj for couple of months ago and not beign the fittest or strongest of people.
I realise this channels content is more aimed towards different goals, but there isn't very much information about "safer" moves in YT...
One very important point is that if you're the cop, the other guy is almost never thinking about hurting you. He's thinking about running away. All so true. But since most of us are not cops in uniform, if I find myself in the same situation, it's a lot harder to pull this move off. As I'm moving in and looking for his right forearm to slap in the entry move, the other guy is seeing an opening for a huge overhand right or right hook against my jaw or my temple. Then I'm dazed and lying on the ground, and the other guy is breaking my ribs with a series of heavy kicks before I can figure out where I am. So, this move probably works, but you have to have that intimidating cop uniform on, and it works even better if your partner is standing on the side with his hand resting on his firearm.
They try to run away because they have a concealed weapon or are holding drugs. Very Dangerous.
You weren’t bending the hand backwards into the body fingers towards you. My first use of force as a correctional officer was the arm bar. The key is that hand. Joint lock flow man.
That shit only works if the person you're doing it to is either really weak or completely uninitiated. If they're already postured up for a fight then forget it
@MrFreak9.1.1 that's fair. I just find that certain techniques work best against the unitiated.
Great video!
Could you do a video on "police takedowns" the way they are taught and wich of them are bullshit and why?
Very good. Anyway the arm takedown really only works after a strike. Anyway we used the body lock you showed in Karate and Wrestling.
This is known as a clinch. BJJ 101 self defense, not competitive. Or used in any sort of controlled force. Its a good move and all LEO should be taught it. I myself use this while apprehending suspects. Try to contol that opposite arm if possible.
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The straight armbar can work, but definitely not when the wrist is straight like that. You have to bend the wrist and push it toward the arm. The manipulation of the wrist should be what's turning the person, not you pushing the elbow, that's basically just a point to secure the position with (you can also use the shoulder). You're also probably not going to get a straight armbar very easily. it's low percentage because of how difficult it is to actually get to a position where you're actually able to turn the wrist and execute this technique. Most combat sport gloves also support the wrist making any manipulation of the wrist outright impractical, so it's almost never seen in that context. It is also pretty difficult on significantly bigger people, but once you have it, it is a pretty secure position that you can do a lot with.
The takedown in this video is a great technique though, and is far more consistent than a standing armbar. I would wonder if it might be a bit easier to step behind that standing leg to basically turn this into a trip rather than using the knee.
Yeah, I tried this in a bjj tournament, and I ended up in a knee bar, but it’s worked well outside of the grappling arts.
Look up a proper arm drag. If for sure works in almost every combat sport. In this video he tries a very sloppy version that i dont really see working on any real athlete.
I have always found the armbar at the start ridiculous when done with the arm or hand pushing against the elbow.
However, you may find recorded examples of standing armbars working (too good in the following case as it snapped) like the match Aoki/Wisniewski.
The difference is that there is real connection between the attacked arm and your body (chest/armpit...). So there is not just a weak limb working, you maximise your body weight and force against the elbow.
In my (limited) experience, resisting opponent try to bend their arm hard while moving, which makes easier a sudden change of direction.
In a sport context, you find applications in judo for instance to "relax" the opponent when he does "stiff arms" against you by creating "a little shock" (sic) before throwing him the other way ( *World champion Neil Adams advocates it in his book on armbars and armlocks* ).
These type of techniques need to be addressed more. As you know, most people aren't actually fighting they are trying to flee. This creates a different dynamic when grappling with somebody that's trying to get up and get away from you.
Obviously I'm coming to this *WAAAY* late; still, great stuff (even my wife is enjoying watching with me!)
* Question on this takedown: is there any danger of getting one of your hands stuck *under* they person you're taking down? It looks like that's possibility, but know that there's often a lot more control than it looks like on a video.
* Observation/question: looks like with the main control of the takedown being around the waist, there's a built-in opportunity to do some incidental examination of the waistline for concealed weapons (as long as I'm here, I might as well check, or at least be paying attention to the odd pokey-hard things I feel under my arms). Is this something that happens, or that you've functionally done, during this takedown?
Keep up the great and infotaining work!
I love that they demo this on concrete to really encourage Jay NOT to go to ground
5:41 whoa there
Idk. I've used that style of takedown in wrestling. I'm a little more behind the guy than the side, and I usually put a foot to the heel of the side I'm pulling down. Similar to how you did with the knee. And in wrestling I always had the 2 on 1.
What happens if the bad guy is somewhat trained in wrestling? Is that when it becomes high intensity?
Well this is a good question, I've been a cop for over 12 years and I have never encountered somebody that has trained. Most bad guys are not out here getting their work out on. Doesn't mean it can't happen but it's not likely.
Love it brother. Thank you.
The body lock is very effective but I wouldn't discount the arm bar. The problem with the arm bar is people not committing to it and pulling that wrist in to trap it... so they end up doing the ring around the rosie dance.
Thanks for the video, I have been doing security for a while and was armed for three years in St. Louis. I have had to use a bunch of jujitsu to take down shoplifters.
I don't know about sport BJJ, but getting all the way behind like that is covered in Gracie jiu-jitsu. The typical rear takedown is a little different. But it's taught at white belt.
Yesterday we did a small pressure test on this one.
It will definetly work, and it is better then most common methods. However you will need some underlying fighting skill because the belly turn can turn ugly pretty quick. We ended up on the bottom a lot, maybe we did simething wrong??
Nontheless thank you verry much for the techniqe.
LOL Jay looks younger in the newer videos then in these old ones WTF?! :D
These guys look so different without the big beards
Yep. If you are not training with Active and Real resistance your tactics will only work in Staged encounters and fail you when you need them to work.
Be safe. Practice slow until it goes smooth and fast naturally.
I used a similar take down to this while arresting a person.
He was a smaller man but when I took stand back control I was able to lift him and place on his belly giving me back control.
But while that happened he turtled his hands in effectively wrapping my arms above the elbows and using both my body weight and his to keep them pinned under him.
I ended up just planting my feet and lifting till the pressure was too great for him to keep a grip.
But how do you avoid this
lol @ the 2nd sneak effort to do the straight arm take down lol
Great content! Well said with great points
"straight arm-bar takedown" works in certain situations, just need to know how to do, get above the other person's should, use both hands and waist together. It's hard to do yeah
Ude Gatame can be done on big strong guys who resist. In resisting, most likely they will bend the arm at the elbow. If they bend the arm you can put them straight into a variation of Ude Garami. But here in applying the Ude Gatame lock Tori doesn't even try to get the Uke's shoulder low/ wrist high. Also, there is a very easy way to bring them down onto their belly from Ude Gatame, but that isn't shown here. Just straightening the arm and trying to force the lock on does not equal an effective Ude Gatame. lol
Thanks for this I work security and the day I watch this video it saved my butt
Bollocks I've been a prison officer for 12 years .
The straight arm bar ( as you call it ) works every time . Just not the way your doing it . Firstly if you teach it as an arm bar it will never ever work .
You have to move the rotor cuff . This is done by generating movement yourself .. I.e a bit of softening up first .. knee strikes our body movement. Pulling or better still pushing the extension of the rotor cuff away from the shoulder. Or your move forward into there strike I.e extend the right rotor cuff by moving the arm quickly ( with two points of contact , lower forearm ,elbow) through the left shoulder.
Your take down might be great for an attacker who isn't going to fight back or doesn't have any friends with him .
Going to the ground without a team in a restraint will get you killed in a prison. Let alone any pub in the UK.
I have only just subscribed to this channel this crap has me realising I got it wrong ..
Seriously doing a technique badly is your argument for it not working ?
Ikkyo or the straight arm bar as you call it ( by the way it isn't an arm bar ) . I have used countless times on high , aggressive, every day in the gym prisoners regularly. Do you have to adapt it? yes
Can it do serious damage ? Absolutely but not without an extension.
When teaching police I notice they never use an extension just keep pushing on a strong arm maybe this is how you've got it so wrong.
Funny how when your pal didn't get ready for it , it worked never once have I restrained someone that didn't expect to beat the shit out of me .so were not ready for the response . 9 times out 10 They expect capitulation. They expect because they are in the gym all day to win.
Lots of things can happen when you don't see it coming .
Ok. Are you a big guy, by chance?
@@hard2hurt he got a big mouth aswell, i would love to see him in real how he will do that arm bar
Aikido can work but its not the best thing agains a super violent attack...but if someone starts to square up but not throwing punches...I have had a lot of success with combining kotegaeshi with sankyo...because if they resist one they assist the other. Also its easy to go from sankyo to ikkyo to finally put them on the floor and pin them. I have used the same technique off a basic collar-tie to sort of arrest opponents movement. Some asshole grabbed me by my neck tie once and I kotegaeshi'ed his fat ass right to his knees. You gotta be careful letting people go though...sometimes they swing on you. Got punched in the face once...penalty for being nice...gitta remember the only thing worse than a bully is a humiliated bully.
No it's not gonna work on 6'5" 300lbs dude. They got big strong arm and heavy to move plus they will punch you while you do that
I know this is an old thread, but I've also used the "armbar takedown" against psych patients (18/19 year old big dudes and some 13 year old girls too lol), adult inmates, and against training partners resisting for pressure testing. I think it helps that I'm a big dude with a belly. Also if you do it fast with a lot of intensity it is hard to resist. I think against bigger guys with even basic skills (like me) it's harder to pull off.