2021 UPDATE: This is still relevant for Mythos :) There's not much that has changed with ANY of the characters. Thank you all so much for watching! If you need help with any of the basics, or perhaps which TROJAN Hero to select, here are the other guides I've done! Beginner's Guide: ua-cam.com/video/ZpWnndHKcSc/v-deo.html Trojans Guide: ua-cam.com/video/9Kve7qecST8/v-deo.html
Sure you could go north with Odysseus... or you could ignore all that noise and go on a 10 year sea voyage to see the world while blaring 'Ocean Man'. After all, the start campaign button for him says "sail away"
@@jeremyhelms8313 All factions have like 2 or 3 and there are a couple that are part of minor factions. You will only recognize them if you have read the Illiad.
Odysseus actually was really easy so far with me because once you reach critical mass of javelin totting units... you can pretty much EVISCERATE most armies in a head on collision because by the time any of their units reach your line they already get mauled by hundreds of javelins... Their MAIN infantry combatant are ALL javelin totting... the key jump though was I had to IMMEDIATELY get to heavy sword skirmisher and bypass the initial sword skirmisher The difference in their melee capability is massive (but the upkeep BARELY increased that it made the normal sword skirmisher almost obsolete), the heavy sword skirmisher being FAR more melee capable than the ordinary ones, at the cost of some speed and being heavy... Neither of the 'penalty' felt like a significant thing so far because when MOST of your battle line can chuck javelins... the result is quite... comical frankly... like, I don't care if I face the best sword, axe, spear, cavalry, or even chariots EVERYTHING DIES when entire line opens up with javelins and they get their face turned to pin cushion with javelins.
THAT is a VERY interesting comment, which gave NEW insight into HOW to actually play this ELUSIVELY confusing character, i will SOMETIME try Odysseus and see just HOW he actually feels in MY hands. Now im REALLY thinking about HOW i can continue writing this comment WITHOUT making it OBVIOUSLY clear just WHY im writing it. No actually, i think i really AM done now and will leave to CONTINUE playing Total War.
Agamemnon does have the advantage that vassal and allies in this games seems much more interested in sending armies to the co-ordination target than in warhammer
Hey! Really enjoyed the video man. Would really like to see a “First 10 turns” walkthrough series that would help new players get off on the best foot for each hero. I played through Agamemnon first and was massively setback from a few mistakes I wish I had known prior. Thank you!
Don't think anybody appreciated how at 13:55 you pronounced heqetas, telestas and lawagetas the way they're written in the original Mycenaean Linear B script. My hat off to you, you learned bastard.
Played Achilles last night struggled with starting enemy because of walled city next door they wouldn't move out. Then after turn 6 all surrounding factions declared war on me every single one.
Had a similar thing, started a new campaign, and attacked the enemy army on turn 1. After that you get some units, siege their city, and it should be fine road ahead. I think Achilles mood system is bugged as hell though. I wasn’t garrisoning him at all, and I was getting "indignant" mood the whole time. A thing to hotfix I guess... Now I’m at turn ~60, and I’m having indignant the whole time. Annoying, it’s not too shit though because bonuses it gives are fine, but you cannot trade, nor get peace treaties...
Er same thing for me, restarted before I started the siege,got a non agression with one of my neighbours, took that walled city then didnt take their next town to the east but went back to defend.I am now at turn 100.
@@robinekhoodekful That living legend is bugged as hell, I just click confront on all 4 get immediately won pop up and then the buff.Did that so far every time it refreshes.
that's what happened to me but I just decided to finish the first enemy off and then use the living legend and get all the special units and then go out and conquer the enemies and imo it's better to try and stock up on a lot of food before anything and just buy a lot of armies so you can just overwhelm the opponents
@@havocgr1976 That just means that the person you challenged backed down and decided not to fight you and just give up instead. But it's not refusing because they realize you are too powerful for them. I completely forgot about the livivng legend mechanic in the beginning and after like 5 turns and leveling up a bit all the people just backed down and admitted defeat without fighting
@@DontKnow-hr5my Perfect for a role play as a power-hungry overlord with an army of vassals. Too bad that instead of invading Troy, all I am doing is defending my homeland from a swarm of armies because his geographical location makes him a really bad place to be in a two-sided war, especially when Amazons are also steamrolling their way towards you.
@@Arcaryon Same. I thought the Iliad was supposed to be troy holding off hordes of greek attackers but mostly its been the other way around. Guess they don't have to guard their homeland at all.
@Divalvaro I mean, i played him he constantly boasts about his wealth and his quote when you start a campaign is "only the strong will survive"... I think I judged that book right.
Awesome video brother - I started as Brad Pi...I mean Achilles - because it's Achilles! But may go back and start a gain to get a better campaign experience - this vid is really helpful!
Personally these videos have helped me a lot. I would love you to do more in depth videos for each hero, and explain your reasoning for the choices your making and discuss why you may go down another path where possible.
I might just do that.. Maybe a few of the more difficult ones. I'm streaming the game tomorrow at 10am PDT if you have any direct questions you want help with!
For Odyseus I think poseidon is must be because you need to set sail all the time so speed you get from it is mandatory also its reducing siege time so you can actually occupy castles with little fight
agamemnon gets crazy easy starts with a good balance of all the resources and he gets rich fast, hes a hella strong duel big damage tank (unlock his Chariot ASAP) , and everyone just starts joins him or easy to vasselize and you can demand resources while people beg to be your vassal
I had the opposite experience. I started my first ever legendary campaign and I felt like his starting position felt messed up because I wanted to actually roleplay and the only expansion options in that sense were to the north because I can't betray Diomedes to get that bronze and if you do that, you are constantly struggling to field the armies necessary while you become entrenched between allies to south, an ever-expanding Achilles to the north-west, Amazons to the north and your vassals dragging you into a war with Troy way before you can prepare anything. Like, having allies on paper seems like a strength but if your cities are the only frontline there is, his start seems to rely on expansion into the friendly territory to the south which kind of clashes with the idea I had going into the campaign of actually replaying the whole story. Sure, the extra bronze from your minions is nice but Knossos for example, it took its whole island, got my vassal but was pretty much excluded from any of the fighting because of its position and I feel like that's the case with many of the territories that are actually further away from the action, sure the start is alright but the midgame is a damn mess.
I laughed so hard when you said that for some reason Paris campaign is hard because after some time I finally tried and brother I don´t get it but is brutal, I tried on hard and after turn number 100 it was too much for me so I changed to normal and still pretty hard!
@@italianspartacus congrats on the success of your channel, man. I've had my eye on your channel from playing bannerlord. It's great to see you doing well.
Poseidon also seems a good choice for Odysseus until at least level 2 of favour because it gives +100 food per coastal settlement and you want to have a lot of those
Odysseus night runners: I stopped using them because they don't have a shield and are main target for enemy archers. They get destroyed quickly when there's no bushes around for them to hide. You can make 7-8 units of Medium sword skirmishers, 5 chariots and the rest you fill with late game javelinman and harpies fiends. All of these are fast and have vanguard deployment. Skip heavy sword skirmishers. Too slow and don't have vanguard. Chariots also lack vanguard, but are really fast and they should be used to disrupt enemy archers. Odysseus only has archer chariots, but switch them to melee and turn off skirmish mode. Then charge archers. If you make your army like this, every battle will be very fast and explosive. Deploy in enemy's face, charge and you can pick apart all reinforcing armies in detail. First thing you should do on the map, after you deal with you first enemy, is you should sent one general to the bottom left of the map. There is a lonely island(one region-province) which is uninhabited. Occupy the settlement and raise it to level 5. After that you build cyclops cave on it, dock level 5 and temple to poseidon. You can time your constuction so that you bring Poseidon to 650 in one turn. That island alone will provide you 3000+ food per turn when fully upgraded. And no one will ever attack it. Odysseus as a general has an additional stance that's unique to him. You can upgrade him to use this stance mid campaign. it allows him to attack enemy generals as if he's ambushing them. That means even if they have another army reinforcing them, they are caught in an ambush with no escape and no reinforcement. Another thing this guy didn't mention which is pretty debilitating to Odysseus is his coastal mastery comes with a drawback. Settlement with no harbour, can only constuct a main building. Nothing else. Let that sink in. Knossos is this kind of settlement. Mycene is this kind of settlement. No special building for you. No labyrinth that gives gold, no special temples, no influence buildings, nothing. Since all inland settlements are now worthless to you, you might as well raise them and loot them and make as much trouble as possible.
You would think all of krete would be coastal but since it not it makes Odysseys rather annoying to take provinces with. Since a large potion of them you cant really do anything with.
I am totally inlove with the skirmish playstyle of Odysseous but man, his faction mechanics are just trash. The coastal city restriction is interesting but a pain in the ass and the safe heavens are just situational. (it is not like a pirate cove, let along a Skaven under city)
Any tips on how to deal with a very early Trojan war effort as Agamemnon? I have basically never gotten further than Athens and expanding towards Sparta doesn't seem like an option but you can't protect your homeland without resources and with 3 full-stack armies roaming around constantly, expansion really slows down and I feel like I am actually playing a game of ancient trench warfare where I beat an army and they sent two more and I can't really lay sieges or move out because they instantly send more troops and while I got all important allies on my side, they take too long to take out the invading armies, which leaves me with a neverending defensive war in a downwards spiral... Like, I haven't even got to the sending a single army to towards Troy and beat Hektor and Paris multiple times and now the Amazons declared war on me too which while not a major problem, has created a complete stalemate because I can't move my two battered armies away from the cities for more than three turns and as a result and again, even if I take them all out, they are able to field a new force in a heartbeat while I lack the resources to even maintain a single mid campaign army, let alone two.
I feeled like odysseus get the short end of the stick in unique faction mechanics. Maybe they should boost the save heavens. Like they enable new ways to weaken the city with spies, give bonuses even after you conquered the city and if the enemey retake it you can still use them to weak him.
Achilles gaining negative traits for staying too long in cities reminds me of shogun 2 where you get a -7% movement penalty for staying in a stronghold for too long.
I was wondering about that. I mean, I heard from different sources that the AI seems to be extremely aggressive which while certainly fun seems a bit weird when you are trying to prepare for the war against Troy and have already killed of Paris and Hektors armies more times that you can count-
Same. I'm 50 turns into my Agamemnon campaign, and I haven't taken a new vassal. I don't know why I should. Maybe only vassalize province capital settlements?
So that's always really been the problem with Vassals.. But think of it this way.. At some point, keeping too much land requires you to manage a massive empire. If you use the vassal system, you don't need to really manage those places, and their armies are at your beck n call. So, technically, you can field much larger armies if you vassalize people then use the "war targets" feature in diplomacy to have them attack your targets with you when they join your wars :)
Just hit turn 40 I vassalized basically everyone around me grabbed the nearest food resource and some idiot declared war on me so I just had to sail on other side of Athens to euboia or whatever the smaller food settlement there and it’s been a great campaign have over 5-7 vassals. I’ve done 6-7 campaigns and even with Lycia the diplomatic or bartering Kings so to speak it doesn’t matter can’t field a full stack anddddd any garrison at all unless you are Mycenae for me. I’ve played like over 700-1000 hours in Rome two total war and love troys campaign and map but I wish they had used Rome 2 total wars battle in game mechanics and engine it just is 1000x better than warhammers. I hate that also units take ZERO damage when pulling through like a hoard of my guys all good units attacking them. But when my units rout through enemy shit units and just one of em they get shredded makes no sense.. like they can kill you when routing but you cant?..
Bruh i'm a noob to total war and I've only been playing the hardest camapaigns. My first victory in troy was Odysseus. My first victory in Rome Total War was as the Seleucids
Do agamemnons vassal give more tribute the bigger they are give an entire province to the starting vassal and he still gives the same resources. I figured it might be based on the buildings etc the vassal has, so maybe I just haven't waited enough turns any help would be appreciated though
I dont get it, I was dissapointed with Achilles living legend mechanic, but mine doesnt work that way!!!I just click confront on all 4, it immediately says I won, no other pop up, then I get the buff.Then after it comes up again later I repeat.I was never refused!I am at turn 100 so I ve done it many times.
Hey Spartacus, I am 60 turns in Achilles playthrough on normal difficulty, and no matter what I do I am getting 10% every turn to Indignant mood? Have you encountered it? Am I doing something wrong? It is said every turn Achilles is garrisoned he will get progress of indignant, and yet when I keep him out of any settlements he gets this 10% every turn, and even though I slaughter whole factions, other moods are not wanting to pop? Is it a bug, or am I doing something wrong?
I keep getting wrecked because the ai just all jump on me at the same time and my allies just don't help at all lol. And Achilles is an asshole who betrays me every time. (So far I've tried odyssies and menelaus). In addition to that as odyseus's campaign is really annoying because its constant rebellions which really slows you down
How do I best vassalise factions as agamemnon I can't seem to get any and the initial one just annoys me as it prevents me having the province. Anyone got tips I've been trying to vassalise Greek factions which in turn makes more Greeks hate me and less likely to be my vassal. Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks
So, there really isn't a good way how to do this peacefully. As you yourself pointed out, it is kinda counterproductive to vassalize the other surrounding factions near you. What you are probably supposed to do is to try to expand at a rapid paste towards Athens while also fielding a second army back home and just eat the diplomatic punishment from conquering the friendlies until you take over everyone but your best bro in Sparta. Basically, just try to make your allies prioritise the enemies settlements you can't get to and then be prepared to take the last ones to gain the vassals. He is built on being pretty aggressive because having that many minions make his position a lot stronger. I have found that he is really dependent on a very fast and well-thought-out early game but only begins to shine when you start to head towards Troy after defending your homeland because before, you won't have the recourses to support the armies necessary to actually keep everything together as Salamis tends to collapse under any pressure and the islands are difficult to defend. My recommendation is also to try and play around with grain because if you give someone just 1 grain over multiple turns, it seems to mess with their AI and can be used to gain a pretty significant advantage.
because that's the ancient Greek pronunciation :) It's called Linear B, which is an outdated form of Greek that disappeared during the Greek Dark Ages and was replaced with something similar to the standard Greek lexicon we see today.
Re watch the section :) At the bottom of each mood, I read the tool tip that explains exactly what effects his mood. Alternatively, hover over the mood, and it'll show you the individual mechanics that influence the mood
@@italianspartacus i do all what mood want to do but it never change,it always give you 10% per turn for what mood you active even you stay away garrision or kick priest out or dont fight any batlle.
2021 UPDATE: This is still relevant for Mythos :) There's not much that has changed with ANY of the characters.
Thank you all so much for watching! If you need help with any of the basics, or perhaps which TROJAN Hero to select, here are the other guides I've done!
Beginner's Guide: ua-cam.com/video/ZpWnndHKcSc/v-deo.html
Trojans Guide: ua-cam.com/video/9Kve7qecST8/v-deo.html
Sure you could go north with Odysseus... or you could ignore all that noise and go on a 10 year sea voyage to see the world while blaring 'Ocean Man'.
After all, the start campaign button for him says "sail away"
Based and Odessy pilled
If you get to Crete with Odysseus before turn 12 through 15 the whole island can be yours if you move quickly
Just realized that there are special heroes in the game other than the legendary lords. Just found patrocles
Yes but we all know what happens to patrocles...
Good to know, thanks for sharing. =)
Do you know how many Homeric heroes there are?
So i can have the boyfriends fighting sode by side? AWESOME
@@jeremyhelms8313 All factions have like 2 or 3 and there are a couple that are part of minor factions. You will only recognize them if you have read the Illiad.
Odysseus actually was really easy so far with me because once you reach critical mass of javelin totting units... you can pretty much EVISCERATE most armies in a head on collision because by the time any of their units reach your line they already get mauled by hundreds of javelins...
Their MAIN infantry combatant are ALL javelin totting...
the key jump though was I had to IMMEDIATELY get to heavy sword skirmisher and bypass the initial sword skirmisher
The difference in their melee capability is massive (but the upkeep BARELY increased that it made the normal sword skirmisher almost obsolete), the heavy sword skirmisher being FAR more melee capable than the ordinary ones, at the cost of some speed and being heavy...
Neither of the 'penalty' felt like a significant thing so far because when MOST of your battle line can chuck javelins... the result is quite...
comical frankly... like, I don't care if I face the best sword, axe, spear, cavalry, or even chariots
EVERYTHING DIES when entire line opens up with javelins and they get their face turned to pin cushion with javelins.
Something smells like Sisters of Avelorn
why do you type like that
Gets even more ridiculous once you can afford stacks of Ithican warriors, just murder everything.
THAT is a VERY interesting comment, which gave NEW insight into HOW to actually play this ELUSIVELY confusing character, i will SOMETIME try Odysseus and see just HOW he actually feels in MY hands. Now im REALLY thinking about HOW i can continue writing this comment WITHOUT making it OBVIOUSLY clear just WHY im writing it.
No actually, i think i really AM done now and will leave to CONTINUE playing Total War.
im still just stuck on whatever the fuck weird writing style this was
Agamemnon does have the advantage that vassal and allies in this games seems much more interested in sending armies to the co-ordination target than in warhammer
yeah I noticed that, I would tell a vassal to attack a target as an after thought and they would get there before me fairly regularly
Hey! Really enjoyed the video man. Would really like to see a “First 10 turns” walkthrough series that would help new players get off on the best foot for each hero. I played through Agamemnon first and was massively setback from a few mistakes I wish I had known prior. Thank you!
Don't think anybody appreciated how at 13:55 you pronounced heqetas, telestas and lawagetas the way they're written in the original Mycenaean Linear B script. My hat off to you, you learned bastard.
I never understood as to why they add letters like "B" after
Played Achilles last night struggled with starting enemy because of walled city next door they wouldn't move out. Then after turn 6 all surrounding factions declared war on me every single one.
Had a similar thing, started a new campaign, and attacked the enemy army on turn 1. After that you get some units, siege their city, and it should be fine road ahead. I think Achilles mood system is bugged as hell though. I wasn’t garrisoning him at all, and I was getting "indignant" mood the whole time. A thing to hotfix I guess...
Now I’m at turn ~60, and I’m having indignant the whole time. Annoying, it’s not too shit though because bonuses it gives are fine, but you cannot trade, nor get peace treaties...
Er same thing for me, restarted before I started the siege,got a non agression with one of my neighbours, took that walled city then didnt take their next town to the east but went back to defend.I am now at turn 100.
@@robinekhoodekful That living legend is bugged as hell, I just click confront on all 4 get immediately won pop up and then the buff.Did that so far every time it refreshes.
that's what happened to me but I just decided to finish the first enemy off and then use the living legend and get all the special units and then go out and conquer the enemies and imo it's better to try and stock up on a lot of food before anything and just buy a lot of armies so you can just overwhelm the opponents
@@havocgr1976 That just means that the person you challenged backed down and decided not to fight you and just give up instead. But it's not refusing because they realize you are too powerful for them. I completely forgot about the livivng legend mechanic in the beginning and after like 5 turns and leveling up a bit all the people just backed down and admitted defeat without fighting
Me in my first defensive siege with Achilles: WHERE ARE THE BUSHES!?
As much as i dislike Agamemnon as a character, his elite troops, the guards look SO cool.
why dislike a guy like this? :D
@@Ichoros He seems like an arrogant and cruel prick :(
@@DontKnow-hr5my Perfect for a role play as a power-hungry overlord with an army of vassals. Too bad that instead of invading Troy, all I am doing is defending my homeland from a swarm of armies because his geographical location makes him a really bad place to be in a two-sided war, especially when Amazons are also steamrolling their way towards you.
@@Arcaryon Same. I thought the Iliad was supposed to be troy holding off hordes of greek attackers but mostly its been the other way around. Guess they don't have to guard their homeland at all.
@Divalvaro I mean, i played him he constantly boasts about his wealth and his quote when you start a campaign is "only the strong will survive"... I think I judged that book right.
Awesome video brother - I started as Brad Pi...I mean Achilles - because it's Achilles! But may go back and start a gain to get a better campaign experience - this vid is really helpful!
Give Sarpedon a shot!! He's SO fun! :) Glad to see you're enjoying it brother
@@italianspartacus I'll see! Watched that video afterwards - need more time!!!!!!!
My dude!!! I was waiting for this video. Youre the best thanks 😎😎😎
Personally these videos have helped me a lot. I would love you to do more in depth videos for each hero, and explain your reasoning for the choices your making and discuss why you may go down another path where possible.
I might just do that.. Maybe a few of the more difficult ones. I'm streaming the game tomorrow at 10am PDT if you have any direct questions you want help with!
For Odyseus I think poseidon is must be because you need to set sail all the time so speed you get from it is mandatory
also its reducing siege time so you can actually occupy castles with little fight
agamemnon gets crazy easy starts with a good balance of all the resources and he gets rich fast, hes a hella strong duel big damage tank (unlock his Chariot ASAP) , and everyone just starts joins him or easy to vasselize and you can demand resources while people beg to be your vassal
I had the opposite experience. I started my first ever legendary campaign and I felt like his starting position felt messed up because I wanted to actually roleplay and the only expansion options in that sense were to the north because I can't betray Diomedes to get that bronze and if you do that, you are constantly struggling to field the armies necessary while you become entrenched between allies to south, an ever-expanding Achilles to the north-west, Amazons to the north and your vassals dragging you into a war with Troy way before you can prepare anything. Like, having allies on paper seems like a strength but if your cities are the only frontline there is, his start seems to rely on expansion into the friendly territory to the south which kind of clashes with the idea I had going into the campaign of actually replaying the whole story. Sure, the extra bronze from your minions is nice but Knossos for example, it took its whole island, got my vassal but was pretty much excluded from any of the fighting because of its position and I feel like that's the case with many of the territories that are actually further away from the action, sure the start is alright but the midgame is a damn mess.
I laughed so hard when you said that for some reason Paris campaign is hard because after some time I finally tried and brother I don´t get it but is brutal, I tried on hard and after turn number 100 it was too much for me so I changed to normal and still pretty hard!
Dude thank you so much for this video! Total War should put these on their site!
They are :) I made official ones for them. They should be going up soon.
@@italianspartacus congrats on the success of your channel, man. I've had my eye on your channel from playing bannerlord. It's great to see you doing well.
Is it just me or does Achilles look like Edge from WWE lol? I think its the chin
HAHAHAA
Poseidon also seems a good choice for Odysseus until at least level 2 of favour because it gives +100 food per coastal settlement and you want to have a lot of those
I just use a random number generator to pick who to play. It's good to get all the info in a comprehensive video though.
Solid video, looking forward to the other 4
They're up!! :)
Odysseus night runners: I stopped using them because they don't have a shield and are main target for enemy archers. They get destroyed quickly when there's no bushes around for them to hide.
You can make 7-8 units of Medium sword skirmishers, 5 chariots and the rest you fill with late game javelinman and harpies fiends. All of these are fast and have vanguard deployment. Skip heavy sword skirmishers. Too slow and don't have vanguard. Chariots also lack vanguard, but are really fast and they should be used to disrupt enemy archers. Odysseus only has archer chariots, but switch them to melee and turn off skirmish mode. Then charge archers. If you make your army like this, every battle will be very fast and explosive. Deploy in enemy's face, charge and you can pick apart all reinforcing armies in detail.
First thing you should do on the map, after you deal with you first enemy, is you should sent one general to the bottom left of the map. There is a lonely island(one region-province) which is uninhabited. Occupy the settlement and raise it to level 5. After that you build cyclops cave on it, dock level 5 and temple to poseidon. You can time your constuction so that you bring Poseidon to 650 in one turn. That island alone will provide you 3000+ food per turn when fully upgraded. And no one will ever attack it.
Odysseus as a general has an additional stance that's unique to him. You can upgrade him to use this stance mid campaign. it allows him to attack enemy generals as if he's ambushing them. That means even if they have another army reinforcing them, they are caught in an ambush with no escape and no reinforcement.
Another thing this guy didn't mention which is pretty debilitating to Odysseus is his coastal mastery comes with a drawback. Settlement with no harbour, can only constuct a main building. Nothing else. Let that sink in. Knossos is this kind of settlement. Mycene is this kind of settlement. No special building for you. No labyrinth that gives gold, no special temples, no influence buildings, nothing. Since all inland settlements are now worthless to you, you might as well raise them and loot them and make as much trouble as possible.
You would think all of krete would be coastal but since it not it makes Odysseys rather annoying to take provinces with. Since a large potion of them you cant really do anything with.
Looking forward to the Trojans vids. Tbh i'm only here for Paris and the Amazons jaja
I am totally inlove with the skirmish playstyle of Odysseous but man, his faction mechanics are just trash. The coastal city restriction is interesting but a pain in the ass and the safe heavens are just situational. (it is not like a pirate cove, let along a Skaven under city)
I chose Achilles because he doesn't afraid of anything. Except Paris. MFefer has pinpoint accuracy and sniped Achilles from 3.3k charging downhill.
I dont know why they say Odysseus is hard. The hideout mechanic is OPAF and he has Roman Legionary-esque infantry.
Achilles basically almost like snikch
LOVE your videos! I named my Achilies save "Brad pitt gets pussy" lmao so glad you brought him up
Hahahahah
23:30 you can feel the skaven corruption spreading through total war troy
Any tips on how to deal with a very early Trojan war effort as Agamemnon? I have basically never gotten further than Athens and expanding towards Sparta doesn't seem like an option but you can't protect your homeland without resources and with 3 full-stack armies roaming around constantly, expansion really slows down and I feel like I am actually playing a game of ancient trench warfare where I beat an army and they sent two more and I can't really lay sieges or move out because they instantly send more troops and while I got all important allies on my side, they take too long to take out the invading armies, which leaves me with a neverending defensive war in a downwards spiral... Like, I haven't even got to the sending a single army to towards Troy and beat Hektor and Paris multiple times and now the Amazons declared war on me too which while not a major problem, has created a complete stalemate because I can't move my two battered armies away from the cities for more than three turns and as a result and again, even if I take them all out, they are able to field a new force in a heartbeat while I lack the resources to even maintain a single mid campaign army, let alone two.
You need to do a video on the DLC heroes!
I did :) at the end is the tutorials I've done with the Amazon's on one video and the other danaans on the other
@@italianspartacus Found them thanks!
I feeled like odysseus get the short end of the stick in unique faction mechanics. Maybe they should boost the save heavens. Like they enable new ways to weaken the city with spies, give bonuses even after you conquered the city and if the enemey retake it you can still use them to weak him.
They just need to remove Odysseus and add Deathmaster Snikch. Problem solved!
Achilles gaining negative traits for staying too long in cities reminds me of shogun 2 where you get a -7% movement penalty for staying in a stronghold for too long.
Everyone wants to fight Achilles... My Achillies has 3 factions, including the one with a non-aggression pact, start to fight me in turn 10.
I was wondering about that. I mean, I heard from different sources that the AI seems to be extremely aggressive which while certainly fun seems a bit weird when you are trying to prepare for the war against Troy and have already killed of Paris and Hektors armies more times that you can count-
Honestly Achilles spear units reminds me of spartan spears in rome 2
What is your suggestion on who to vassalize? Always torn between taking someone over and making a vassal, so what your way of doing it?
Same. I'm 50 turns into my Agamemnon campaign, and I haven't taken a new vassal. I don't know why I should.
Maybe only vassalize province capital settlements?
So that's always really been the problem with Vassals.. But think of it this way.. At some point, keeping too much land requires you to manage a massive empire. If you use the vassal system, you don't need to really manage those places, and their armies are at your beck n call. So, technically, you can field much larger armies if you vassalize people then use the "war targets" feature in diplomacy to have them attack your targets with you when they join your wars :)
@@italianspartacus What is this EU 4?
@@italianspartacus except they ignore the war target half the time :(
Just hit turn 40 I vassalized basically everyone around me grabbed the nearest food resource and some idiot declared war on me so I just had to sail on other side of Athens to euboia or whatever the smaller food settlement there and it’s been a great campaign have over 5-7 vassals. I’ve done 6-7 campaigns and even with Lycia the diplomatic or bartering Kings so to speak it doesn’t matter can’t field a full stack anddddd any garrison at all unless you are Mycenae for me. I’ve played like over 700-1000 hours in Rome two total war and love troys campaign and map but I wish they had used Rome 2 total wars battle in game mechanics and engine it just is 1000x better than warhammers. I hate that also units take ZERO damage when pulling through like a hoard of my guys all good units attacking them. But when my units rout through enemy shit units and just one of em they get shredded makes no sense.. like they can kill you when routing but you cant?..
Thanks for the video I was just wondering how many turns it should take to complete the Homeric victory conditions ?
i'm not sure really!
I need to get this game bad. This game does look good!.
Odysseus had plenty of guts and glory moments :D
Bruh i'm a noob to total war and I've only been playing the hardest camapaigns. My first victory in troy was Odysseus.
My first victory in Rome Total War was as the Seleucids
Hell yeah!!! :D
Which campaign ? Bannerlord.
Do agamemnons vassal give more tribute the bigger they are give an entire province to the starting vassal and he still gives the same resources. I figured it might be based on the buildings etc the vassal has, so maybe I just haven't waited enough turns any help would be appreciated though
I dont get it, I was dissapointed with Achilles living legend mechanic, but mine doesnt work that way!!!I just click confront on all 4, it immediately says I won, no other pop up, then I get the buff.Then after it comes up again later I repeat.I was never refused!I am at turn 100 so I ve done it many times.
Sparta is a great faction to use but later in my campaign Troy Lycia are just annoying me with their armies
I wish Odysseus had a bit more in his cards
Hey Spartacus, I am 60 turns in Achilles playthrough on normal difficulty, and no matter what I do I am getting 10% every turn to Indignant mood? Have you encountered it? Am I doing something wrong? It is said every turn Achilles is garrisoned he will get progress of indignant, and yet when I keep him out of any settlements he gets this 10% every turn, and even though I slaughter whole factions, other moods are not wanting to pop? Is it a bug, or am I doing something wrong?
Its a bug we are all getting it.
I’m stuck on the angry trait, it’s killing my economy but his army is beastly!
I keep getting wrecked because the ai just all jump on me at the same time and my allies just don't help at all lol. And Achilles is an asshole who betrays me every time. (So far I've tried odyssies and menelaus). In addition to that as odyseus's campaign is really annoying because its constant rebellions which really slows you down
doesn't matter what you choose, just get full chariots and gg
Brad Pittichles #1 best hero
Odysseus is an easy campaign because he is op. He melts every heroes health before they can even reach the front line
How do I best vassalise factions as agamemnon I can't seem to get any and the initial one just annoys me as it prevents me having the province. Anyone got tips I've been trying to vassalise Greek factions which in turn makes more Greeks hate me and less likely to be my vassal. Any tips would be greatly appreciated thanks
So, there really isn't a good way how to do this peacefully. As you yourself pointed out, it is kinda counterproductive to vassalize the other surrounding factions near you.
What you are probably supposed to do is to try to expand at a rapid paste towards Athens while also fielding a second army back home and just eat the diplomatic punishment from conquering the friendlies until you take over everyone but your best bro in Sparta. Basically, just try to make your allies prioritise the enemies settlements you can't get to and then be prepared to take the last ones to gain the vassals. He is built on being pretty aggressive because having that many minions make his position a lot stronger. I have found that he is really dependent on a very fast and well-thought-out early game but only begins to shine when you start to head towards Troy after defending your homeland because before, you won't have the recourses to support the armies necessary to actually keep everything together as Salamis tends to collapse under any pressure and the islands are difficult to defend. My recommendation is also to try and play around with grain because if you give someone just 1 grain over multiple turns, it seems to mess with their AI and can be used to gain a pretty significant advantage.
@@Arcaryon Thanks for the advice man
it's written TELESTAS, why do you read as TARITA? o.o (same for the others ahahah)
great video, by the way!
because that's the ancient Greek pronunciation :) It's called Linear B, which is an outdated form of Greek that disappeared during the Greek Dark Ages and was replaced with something similar to the standard Greek lexicon we see today.
@@italianspartacus That is very interesting. Thank you for that tidbit.
Spartans for the sun
if only achilles didnt have pigtails
and how achilles change his mood ??? you don't talk anything about that @@
Re watch the section :) At the bottom of each mood, I read the tool tip that explains exactly what effects his mood. Alternatively, hover over the mood, and it'll show you the individual mechanics that influence the mood
@@italianspartacus i do all what mood want to do but it never change,it always give you 10% per turn for what mood you active even you stay away garrision or kick priest out or dont fight any batlle.
Its not the Altar of the lesbians. Its the Altar of diekee fonetically.
Ohhhh thank you so much man. I apologize for butchering the pronunciation on that
=D
When will this game be released?
Already out
It’s out on epic games
When will it be out on steam?
Antidragon 4185 it’s listed on steam for release in 2021
This Achilles / Brad Pitt joke literally every TW youtuber makes has gotten old real fast. Just as that Odysseuss / Sean Bean joke.