Persona Awakenings Used to be Absolutely Unhinged
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I Persona 3, they're like "we found this guy outside and we think he has a persona."
Persona 3, 4 and 5: Visible psychological and physical pain, wirthing in agony before being able to conquer the Ultimate Power of your mental capabilities and true self.
Persona 1 and 2:
"Bro ya want a Persona?"
"Cool why not?"
@@court-court They did
I hate to rain on your parade, but persona 3 the only awakening you actually witness is the main character's. Everyone else has thiers off camera or before the beginning of the game.
@@mikevignola4213 consider: Secondary awakening
Persona 5: "I am thou... Thou art I... Thou who would accept blasphemy for the sake of thine own justice! Call upon my name and release thy rage! Show the strength of thy will to ascertain all on thine own, though thou be chained to Hell itself!".
Revelations Persona: "Hey I'm you and you're me, i can help you to beat the shit out of that demon".
Pretty sure the P2 IS Persona awakening was a reveal rather than awakening. like they had it for a while and used it often in their daily life. Like Tatsuya burning Sudo face.
thats how i interpreted eikichis persona reveal as well. i never saw it as an awakening caused by lisas comment, but its funny to think about that way. i quite like the perspective haha
Having a persona was considered a ,,cool kid trait" back then... most of the time
Yeah, Eikichi thought his Persona was a Shinigami, and it's implied he used it to deal with bullies.
They're supposed to have it after playing the persona game as kids so you're right it's more of a reveal than awakening.
I think Tatsuya and Lisa still didn't know how to use their properly
Persona and Devil summoning are very different. One is pretty much like a stand user while the other is a pokemon trainer. The early persona games are so close to the Devil summoner series like Tamaki (smt if femc btw) and the self insert man wear the same outfits as the DS1 characters. Also Kyouji Kuzunoha is in the body of Daisuke Todoroki because of what happened in DS1..... Wish we get a Devil summoner 1 English translation :(
Didn't the whole series ultimately come from a sci-fi novel about Armageddon happening because someone wrote a computer program to summon demons?
@@JeedyJay Nakajima made the comp just to do a school shooter moment.. The novel is weird man
@@JeedyJay the Digital Devil Story novels are a trip and a half, given that they were basically dime novels, if such an equivalent existed in Japan
It makes me sad when people say "Oh just watch a recap of these Two Old Games". Persona 1 and 2 were ported and improved on the PSP, the emulation is perfect, and are not only playable but extremely fun. Please, don't disincentivize people from playing them :
I really want to experience the games myself on PSP, any tips on how to go about doing so?
@@astralvelocity Images of the UMDs are readily available in many rom sites, and the PPSSPP emulator runs them just fine. Also on Gamebanana you can find some mods that improve the games, mainly HD mods for nicer and sharper interface elements and fonts.
@@astralvelocity emulator. Innocent sin is on emulator and Eternal Punishment has a fan translation. Persona 1 isn’t very “fun”, and is worth watching a playthrough online. Theres also an excellent manga that might be the only manga actually referenced in any way by the games (P5 makes a reference to the name of the MC and his manga only brother in P1).
A lil detail, p1 and 2 are canon to the devil summoner/ smt if timeline. That's why some people are called devil summoners, because they actually are, and persona users are something similar but parallel to that. Tamaki from p2 is the protagonist from smt if, and was also in p1, but couldn't help because she didn't have her COMP to summon demons with
Actually, Tamaki confronted Leo in Persona 2 IS during the museum incident...
@@robertoquintero5200 I meant in p1, she didn't have her comp in p1 which is why she's not a party member
Tbf ALL of persona 2's cast could all use their personas basically before they forgot how and p2s plot focuses on said memories and why they forgot their "innocent" sins
I know a comment pointed this out already, but I wanna add more:
A Devil Summoner is a human who makes contracts with actual demons and utilizes them in combat, some even finding ways to get themselves demonic essences in order to use real magic. I specify it like that because Persona powers are mental energy, psychic powers tied to spirituality, nothing to do with demons. The Personas the characters use are mental interpretations of those beings made by the Collective Unconscious, basically psychic projections with powers attached to their mental associations. Demons are just the real thing, but often their form is based on the mental associations when they physically manifest, as very few demons can exist physically in the human world all on their own. They require magnetite in order to take shape, hence that's a resource in SMT games. Demons, for the most part, exist in the Expanse, which does take shape depending on human desires, but this has nothing to do with the mental energy system of the Collective Unconscious and its.. metaverses/mandalas/shadow expanses/what ever you wanna call these purely mental spaces as. There's similarities, but they're not the same.
The scale of power between the two ideas is also pretty massive, seeing as SMT at times just casually drops the idea of destroying or remaking the whole universe at you. That Tamaki gal? She met Stephen at the end of SMT If, and that dude has casually fought against all of the SMT main characters all at once while throwing singularities at them.
That's a really interesting way to look at it. So you're basically saying the Abyss, and Persona's Sea of Souls are 2 different dimensions/plains of existence? I know most of the SMT & Persona games are to be taken as stand alone unless directly connected, and I get P3 was a reboot of sorts, but it still kept some of the same lore from older games, or at least a couple references, but I'll get to the point. How many dimensions do you believe exist in the If/Persona timeline? Like there's normal reality, the metaverse/collective unconscious, the velvet room/in-between, and then the sea of souls, and actual smt Abyss? Or would you say those last 2 are somewhat the same? How do they co-exist, considering devil summoner is in the same timeline as persona? There's also the obvious difference in the persona born from your heart, and the ones you actively recruit, fuse and summon in games. Even in Persona 5 there's a clear difference between Arsene, and the other recruitible "personas". Like I have reason to believe that those recruitible personas are in fact demons from the Abyss that have been trapped on the unconscious plain, by distortions. I do agree through that Persona use psychic powers and are linked to cognition. Hence why in later games you can't summon them in the real world without particular circumstances permitting. In P1 & 2, you could, but also then you could argue that there was particular circumstances that allow it then, like the whole dreams becoming reality. But I still thing on some level Persona users are still forming contracts with demons. Like in the way in Nocturne and SMTV you can communicate to them directly without a comp. Granted for the Demifiend and Nahobino it's bc they are not completely human themselves, but since persona users are on the psychic plain, they can do the same or something similar. Like yes the main persona is unique to that character and manifests accordingly, but that character didn't create their Persona. The collective unconscious or humanity itself did, just as humanity itself creates all gods and demons through belief. Like Izanagi, for example. He's used as the Persona for P4 MC, but he's also a god all on his own in SMT lore, and exists apart from Yu as well. Like Yuu didn't invented Izanagi. Izanagi already existed, Yu just had an affinity for him on a spiritual level, so when the manifestation of his soul awaken it called out to Izanagi, or manifested as Izanagi. I mean I guess it's up to debate if you think he actually formed a real contract with the actual God Izanagi, or if it's just his own soul as a reflection of Izanagi. But SMT doesn't just include gods, and demons, it includes any random shit people believe in, like mothman. So you get character's with personas from folktales and such. But I'm just really interested to where the intersection between SMT and Persona actually lies, bc I don't think they're as separate as we initially might think. Like is it a hard rule you need comp to summon demons irl, and that a persona user really couldn't do that? Like did they differentiate that at all in SMT If or P1? Or is it really only under those special circumstances where realities are merging? Is it something that was possible before, but now is impossible due to changes in cognition? If creature like Morgana or Teddy can exist in reality why can't Persona, or shadows? We already know using a comp can summon abrasions into reality. I'm not saying any of that is or isn't possible, I'm just asking questions. I think you've played more of the older games than I have. I haven't played If or P1, and I just started the devil summoner series, and have not played all the content for that. I really have only played Mainline SMT, and Persona 2-forward. But it would be interesting to hear opinions on this.
@@fatefullydead5585 Sea of Souls is indeed a different concept, nowhere mentioned in SMT. It also makes me question the nature of the demons in P1 and P2, but I suppose that can be just excused with the fact that a demon can manifest in multiple different physical forms at once. These games have different writers, so some world building confusion is bound to happen. But basically SMT If/Persona/Devil Summoner universe has the Expanse, Collective Unconscious (Velvet Room is part of it) which has ties to Sea of Souls, and what ever realms exist in Devil Summoner games. They are the same universe, even if P3 onwards Persona seems to gloss over continuity a lot. I don't wanna think about the nonsense that is P3 Nyx's backstory from an art book...It doesn't really fit previous continuity, let alone the fact that this is an alternate SMT 1/Nine/2 timeline.
The shadows in P5 are just that, shadows. They come from the Collective Unconscious, born from collective associations while I'd assume a persona born from heart is more closely tied to the persona user's mental associations. A psychic person's cognitions are comparable to the non-psychic collective's cognitions I guess. None of this is really explained in detail.
"Like is it a hard rule you need comp to summon demons irl, and that a persona user really couldn't do that?"
The whole idea is that the traditional demon summoning rituals could be translated into computer code, which lead to the creation of comps. So answer is anyone can do it, but a comp is far more usable, cost effective and safe. Megami Tensei basically established this idea. Hazama in SMT If does a more traditional demon summoning ritual but messes it up and pulls the whole school into the Expanse. This somehow leads into him becoming a highly powerful demon.
"If creature like Morgana or Teddy can exist in reality why can't Persona, or shadows?"
They are shadows. Personas and shadows can manifest in reality, but the rules for this seem to waver between games. I mean the rules are tied to the Collective Unconscious, which is the collective unconscious mind of humanity itself, so it's really no wonder it is ever changing. Great writing excuse to do what ever idea you want! Hah.
Makes me believe that Persona 1 and 2 characters are more powerful because it doesn't take much for them to summon their personas. No traumatic awakening, no induced fear of a gun to the head, no cards. They just breathe and *poof*
I was so surprised by how easy it was to activate your persona in the first two games
They really were part of them, one of many masks as everybody could use all persona like MC do in modern games. Not like in modern ones, where they literally try murder their original self for no reason and only the MC gets a persona for free.
The modern format in P3 and P4 makes it more dramatic and hype the awakenings, but it was nice to see that P5 was a return to roots of sorts and persona awakened the same way they did in P1 and P2
Mr Steal your Pants may be ridiculous, but I still love him
Only persona friend to actually getting an alive girlfriend
@@raven4617 isnt there a way for Chidori to survive in one of the P3 versions? Dunno maybe Im misremembering smth :b
@@IZINA1997 yeah- in p3fes by doing something specific, you can get her revived towards the end of the game, but she has forgotten everything relating to the dark hour, including junpei. its kind of up in the air weather its canon or not, and if, then if they are together or not.
I just wanna say you're absolutely hilarious and criminally underrated.
Holup that pfp seems familiar
@@deltaquartz lmao. It's been my youtube pfp for like 9 years now.
@Gazzymandias I kept it only for 7 months lmao.
Reminds me of Nakey Jakey
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Video was hilarious and yes, P2 is completely insane
I'm glad I stumbled upon your videos. Gives me more videos to binge and revel in the unhinged nature of persona. Keep up the good videos and the editing style I love it.
thank you, gamer. huge compliment and thank you for taking the time to leave a comment! 😤
@@court-court back at you G A M E R.
Keep up the quality content 👌
Absolutely love your scripting and the way you edit. Can't wait to check out the rest of your vids! Will we be getting a video on Eternal Punishment btw?
yes!! eternal punishment video is coming, might take me a bit but it’s on the way
Tamaki was just some common persona user though she actually was a demon summoner being the protagonist of the first game in persona canon SMT if…
I live for your content. Also the first 3 persona feel more jojo inspired then the later 3 do? Only because they would use their persona irl and to help them achieve technically super human feats
While that's true, I'd say Persona 4 is easily the most Jojo inspired. Diamond is Unbreakable and P4 are both small town murder mysteries, starring high school students who do their best to live a normal life despite the bizarre occurrences. Both take quite a while for the main plot to start, compared to their predecessor and succesor. Both are fairly light hearted overall but with a much more down to earth, close to home villain who can be more haunting for some than the grandiose approach of DIO and Nyx/Erebus. Both feature a similar visual in corpses hanging from a utility pole and one being tangled up in the wires between two poles, which serve as the catalyst for the kinda goofball best bro character to avenge someone.
Though Persona did beat Araki to the punch in one huge regard. While not nearly as similar as P4 and DIU, Persona 2 and Stone Ocean use a similar major plot point. Spoilers for Stone Ocean if anyone still hasn't seen it, P2 as well.
Innocent Sin and Stone Ocean both end with a universal reset of sorts, both coming right after the death of a main character in the case of Stone Ocean's first reset. In both Stone Ocean's second reset and Eternal Punishment, only one of the main party retains their memories in the new universe.
Both Eternal Punishment and Stone Ocean also act as the end of the franchises as they had been, with Persona 3 setting the very different foundation the series would use going forward and Steel Ball Run being completely removed from the Jojo timeline, in favor of a new one which Jojolion and apparently Jojolands also belong to. If you want to count the Stone Ocean anime, both P2 and Part 6 were a single story split up in a sense. Part 6 released in 3 separate batches, Persona 2 was two games.
Araki didn't do his universal reset until 2003, Persona did theirs in 1999 and the aftermath came in 2000. Though Araki started his new Jojo verse in 2004, Persona wouldn't reinvent itself till 2006. I don't think Araki was copying Persona 2 when he came up with Made in Heaven since there's some massive differences, but it's kinda funny to see him do what Persona already did, when Persona 4 would go on to do what DIU already did. Even funnier that Netflix would give Stone Ocean a similar split and wait between batches as Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment.
At this rate, I just want to see Araki and Atlus do a collab. I'd even settle for a crossover fighting game since both Personas and Stands have been wonderfully incorporated into that medium already.
Is it Jojo inspired?
I do remember that Kaneko and Araki has similar interests though.
So I've been wondering this for a while can you be a devil summoner and a personal user at the same time I feel like it's possible since being devil summoner is pretty much just a pokemon trainer
Recently, I’ve stumbled upon your channel; and I must say, your videos are some of the most entertaining videos I’ve seen in a while- especially your Persona 1 analysis, a game that just not enough people even acknowledge the existence of. But, regardless, I’m looking forward to what you upload next.
Persona 2 is basically JoJo part 3 but with Part 2 bits sprinkled in
XDDD This was awesome...early persona games are really charming. I enjoyed this a lot
Video alone is a 9/10, but the Thrillville reference bumped it up to a 10/10. Keep up the good work!
Yeah definitely, I feel like nobody remembers that game
Wow you are so freaking hilarious and this was such a good video!
Undie boss is officially the best persona awakening now. Lol
Not to mention the p3 protagonist awakening by being trapped on a roof, watching their new classmate about to die, and shooting themselves in the head with a smile. P3 awakening is probably the most badass bc he was like “…hm. :/ she was about to shoot herself with this. Lemme just do that >:)”
P3 doesn’t really have “awakenings” like the other persona games though, so it makes sense to not include it
The difference was that P1&P2 had Philemon making summoning easier. Yes that's canon. Also devil summoners are not the same thing as persona users
Persona 1 and 2 are oldschool JRPGs they were quite different from the more modern games and persona users were like stand users they were also more connected to the SMT universe
Theres a lot of devil summoners in early Persona games because it was a more interconnected world back then and Persona was a Megaten series unlike modern Persona, now you're lucky to even hear a single line referencing some important character from a previous game.
Main and side characters of other Megaten games show up in Persona 1 and 2 like Tamaki who is the main character of SMT IF... which is basically the prototype of Persona or Daisuke Todoroki you bring up at 5:25 who is Kyouji Kuzunoha from SMT Devil Summoner whose a spirit who can posses peoples bodies which I think is also the first megaten set in modern day japan handling supernatural events like smt if... and persona would eventually do.
I feel like if you're going to be making a video like this explaining stuff like this which makes you come off as an authority on the subject you should at least know basic stuff like this and the series as a whole but instead it comes off as you're just someone who only really likes persona 5 and 4 and you're looking back at these older games as an oddity to poke fun at instead of having an actual real interest in them. You're probably just doing these persona 1 and 2 videos to "just get them out of the way" so you can talk about the games you actually want to talk about, even this video is just comparing the early games to the later games.
People like SnicketySlice give a way more insightful overview of these past games, how they grew from the Megaten series, their parallels to Jungs work and how the characters tie into their personas.
Its clear you love some of the later games and you want to share that love, you just don't really have anything insightful to say and being "nakey jakey at home" isn't really funny either.
I always figured the reason Persona awakenings are such is because Philemon and Nyarlotep were more involved. Also why P2 mentions Persona growing weaker without use which isn't a thing in Arena and why it's so much easier to summon your Persona than later where it takes effort to fo that in the real world.
They're getting the cheap insta versions compared to 3, 4, and 5 because of those 2 running around.
To add on to what someone else said in the comments, Devil Summoning and having a Persona are vastly different, both in the action and what powers are involved. Persona ask a person to call upon, in the most cliche way possible, the power of the user's soul and that's where you take the philosophical idea of the self and manifest it into something tangible. Devil Summoning is much simpler - a person uses a device called a COMP to speak with and summon demons (sometimes even see). The COMP allows the user to summon demons they've managed to convince to join them.
I feel lucky stumbling onto this channel
Some of those awakenings seem less like chicken nuggets and more like those weird sodas you buy to prank your friends with. Lester's Fixins style.
If there's one thing I learned from Persona 5, it's that ripping your face off gives you JoJo powers.
it legit looks like the early Persona Games were just... Jojo fan games.
everybody is a stand user, whaaaaat! xD
Natural born content creator. Your videos are really Fun to watch!
i love u courtney. pls keep making videos, you are so entertaining and so easy to listen to. thank u ❤
thank u gamer, been on my writing and recording grind, hope to have another recap edited and ready to go for you guys this week
fuk yes thats what im talking about queen!!! i will be keeping my eyes and ears peeled 👁️🗨️👃🏻👁️🗨️
It'd be great to see a P1, P2, and P2 part 2 remade
I see persona stuff, I follow and like.
See as much as I’d like to watch these videos. I haven’t actually played P2 yet…
Persona 3 Awakenings are boring af wdym. Junpei just walks in and has Hermes.
Yeah I just played about 30 hours of P3 when it came out on gamepass. I got far until after beating the hangedman boss. Then just dropped it to play P4 which I'm having a blast and actually connecting with the characters.
@@RazorBladezX are you sure you got to hanged man in 30 hours dude thats a lot lol you played until like the last third of the game
@aerith yeah that boss was annoying , with the whole knocking it down and it summoning, then using a resist spell so I couldn't knock it down for a longer period
Plus I was playing on easy injust wanted to blitz through it because p4 is way better and I hadn't beat p4. I only got to the first dungeon like maybe a decade and half ago 🤔
The only character that really had a whole Persona awakening in P3 is just the MC. A Shadow almost kills Yukari, then the MC gets the whole "I art thou, and thou art I" shpiel, uses the Evoker, Orpheus shows up, turns into Thanatos, and then kills the Shadow. Everyone else just has their Personas the moment they walk into Tartarus, including Yukari who was there during MC's awakening.
Great video
Because the original personas were influenced by jojo which, surprise surprise every episodes a new stand
I'm down for a story recap. I love the lore and vibe of the early games, but they are a huge time sync if your not using a walkthrough.
i love you you are so funny please keep making content
I wanna play the PS1 Personas, without having to experience the awful localization. Guess I should just learn Japanese, then? I need an excuse 'cause I know the PSP versions exist.
Facts
Ye
Im 420 like, as it should be
Expected a better video than just talking in circles.
I love you