A blatant copy of the Border Tempest. The design is so unique, this cannot be a coincidence. Border have tried to address this with TBOW, but copyright infringement means nothing to the Chinese.
Border bows are too expensive for me. But i appreciate what they do. Promoting a blatant copy of one of their works is just a big yikes for me. I understand you want to shed light on the budget options in archery. Of which there are many solid options. But entertaining brands that shamelessly copy is just not it man
I agree, and it could be a slippery slope because if you are going to advertise ripoff bows the main real manufacturers might want to reconsider supplying the shop as it will impact on their business
Nothing like the real McCoy, the Border Tempest. This is just a rip-off that's not made with the same care and consideration of the original. I've been to visit Border to see how they do what they do and more importantly, why. Would rather see you give the oxygen of publicity to the original version than this.
or nearly the same as every recurve from the last 100 years. But sure. "Scotland's boarder" was first right? (though ive never even heard of them before)
@Cris n Mary Fam hey, nah this riser is a complete copy of the border tempest riser. If you google image search the two you will see the lack of difference
@@crisnmaryfam7344 There's no need for snark. Border is still very much active. They're one of the innovators in super-recurve limbs (deeper recurve hooks). Just google "Border Tempest", The Tbow Storm is an obvious copy. It's clear how the overall design of the riser is quite different from majority of riser designs.
This riser looks like an exact copy of Borders riser Tempest. I'm not a fan of copying something exactly, this isn't right. I'm not against if you copy a feature someone else got on bows, but ripping it straight off like this just doesn't sit well with me. Just like the Junxing H7 and H8 risers looks to be exact copys of Hoyts Xceed and Hoyt formula Xi.
I hope it is just ignorance that has lead Stevan promote a product that is a blatant breach of the Intellectual Property rights of a small, somewhat boutique company that designs and produces some fairly unique risers and limbs - Border Bows.
Why don't you put a positive slant on this by suggesting that Steven look at Border Bows rather than attacking him and others? You may get better results rather than getting innocent people's backs up.
wow, kinda baffled you now start reviewing what is a clear copy (and therefore IP theft) from a well known and reputable archery manufacturer: Border Archery
I have this riser, it is superb value for money, very well made including the limb pocket adjustments, shoots absolutely amazing for the money. I’m aware it’s very similar to the Tempest but not everyone can afford a tempest ….
Hi Steven, First Thank you for your video's. Being now retired and a new archer I have learned a lot from your videos. Can you review the Border Bow Tempest ? Being left-handed the clone, Tbow Storm is right hand only.
That riser looks killer! I am a coumpound bow guy, sometimes I pick up a recurve to shoot with my recurve bare bow buddies at the club. Man if I arrive with this at the club they are going to go nuts! 😂😂I I want one! 🤘👌👍
This bow has a place. Most people can’t and will never justify $1500 AUD for a original Border Tempest, $400 AUD is much easier to work with. The copy is the only way I will ever come close to shooting one.
People's main problem is that for 400 aud you can get a basic ilf bow thay isn't copying someone elses so buying the clone doesn't help and its not your only option.
@@Hazza57t yes there are other ILF bows available at the cheaper price point. But I’m not talking about the barrier to entry for any old ILF setup. I’m talking about getting to try the Border tempest design. I am much more likely to invest in a real one after trying the copy. I would never spend $1500 on a riser with the risk that I may not like it. Wish I had as much money as everyone else commenting on this.
@Ballistic 12ht I certainly get where you are coming from, but if you are in the market for a 1500 riser then spending 400 to test it out is still pretty expensive. I think you are also able to return the risers within a time window anyway with border as its a common question they get
@@Hazza57t that’s pretty good for Border to do. I spose my point is I wouldn’t consider a border riser based purely on price. Like it just doesn’t come up on my radar. But the copy does. Now if I buy a copy and love it, then I would be more likely to save up for the Border. Knowing it will be better than the copy. I don’t think anyone that would or could afford the border will seriously buy a copy instead. But the copies will more likely produce more sales for Border in the long run
I bought two of these bows over a year ago along with another 15 or so, they are all to be used as club bows, this didn't however stop the Border mafia from trying to bismirch me. I didn't know at the time that it was a border copy but to be honest I was on a budget and would never consider a Border Tempest as a club bow but agree with your logic on people trying this bow and possibly moving onto a Border bow. I cannot understand why Border do not try and make this work in their favour, unless the difference in performance is not that great?
Hi Steven. I have 2 TBOW or Junxing H7 risers. One is an exact copy of the Hoyt Xceed and other is the same apart they took away the hybrid limb pocket system. Great bow. You should try the NIK'A limbs as well. Same as Uukha but a hell lot cheaper.
I had the possibility to test some Nika limbs against Uukha limbs with same poundage and profile (Nika are like the older Uukha Curve limbs). The Nika came out 10 fps slower with the same arrow. Draw wasn't that smooth on the Nika either.
@@chrisbowman2030 I have a set of HX10 Evo2 from uukha. The Nik'a N3 progress limbs are as good and as smooth to draw. For the price they are good. The C1 and C2 are not as smooth but still fantastic for the price.
T-bow more like Fake-Bow. Chinese direct copy inferior rip off product of the Border Tempest which is made by a small manufacturer in Scotland. The original designer and manufacturer Border, makes this riser machine CNC'd from a solid billet with mega quality control and precision, brilliant finish to the riser and stands behind the product. 19,21,25 and 27inch versions available. The T-bone fake is a cast riser probably no good for limbs over 38lb to 40lb where it could well snap on you at full draw as cheap cast risers have a tendency to do at higher poundage. What's different here from the big brand knock offs from China is that this riser was never made in China and then rebranded with another flag as 'assembled' in the USA etc by one of the big 4 manufacturers. T-bone ripped off the little guy. A company with a handful of employees and then this rip off product is promoted by dealers who only see the bottom line whilst complaining that they aren't making money because of warranty claims and wondering why bespoke or custom manufacturers are going out of business 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Quite a sad review.
Absolutely. This retailer is damageing the very industry he relies on by selling stolen design, RD and IP in the form of superficially goodlooking but often dangerous substandard products. DON'T BUY THEM.
Don't give air to such blatant copies of high end risers like this. The guys at Border put their hearts and serious design chops into their equipment only for these guys to come along and clone it to make a quick buck. It literally damages the livelihoods of a small but very capable bowyer to have this thing be promoted in any way. There are reputable brands not doing such things that are available at the same price point as this and those companies are usually putting money back into their R&D instead of stealing other company's.
Funny I have another tbow recurve and I have this one coming soon that just shipped. I just got into archery big time last year, I went from 0 to 10 since Sept 🤦🏾 I just happened to see this bow online in 60lb and I just loved the look even though my favorite bow I've acquired is my hoyt medallist built in 1963 it shoots like a champ.🤷🏾
Very disappointed a reputable dealer sells these Chinese copies. Won’t be anywhere near the quality of the Border Tempest which has been copied. Wouldn’t touch the T bow out of principle even if it is a fraction of the Border price. You get what you pay for.
Goung this way you may through away your smart phone, laptop, tvset and many other useful things produced in china,Taiwán,Vietnam,india etc. We do not discuss high tec here of pentágon property.ird quite natch that we copy each other and sometimes a copy of da Vinci or Mark shagsl is superior then original
Yes complete rip-off of the Border Tempest riser. Steven, I suggest that you take this video down from YT, rather than encourage people to consider buying what is intellectual property theft. Sid spent a number of years developing what is a superb riser, for some Chinese company to just steal his hard work. I hope that you are not intending selling these Steven as that would just be condoning this theft.
Really disappointed to see you promote a product like this. As a retailer in a first world country, you are very much in the same position as the people on the manufacturing side such as Border Archery, facing the same challenges of a globalized and morally corrupt world. How would you like it if people started ordering all their gear directly from China, running you out of business?
A great bow, I have two of these that I purchased as club bows, I use 34lb limbs, so as it is a cast riser it should be well within its safety limits. Absolutely no hand shock and shoots great. Highly recommend this bow for people new to the sport. Who are on a budget.
Sid here from Border Archery. Thanks for playing the innocent here. But you have followed us on instagram for a while now. Why are you playing innocent?
First I dont have an instagram account it is managed by one of my staff. In my 40 years of selling archery gear I have never seen one of your bows. In 40 years you have never sent me anything to say you exist. I have been into over 100 stores in the USA never seen one of your bows. But you presume I know of you or your company. No one in Australia stocks you bows. I buy in Europe they dont stock your bows. I looked at your website today when one of my staff showed me your comment. You have some nice bows. I dont see the storm on your website. I went on youtube and you certainly dont review your own products. Steven
@@colinsymonds9048 I dont think it is commerce - If you watch my videos we make nothing selling archery gear. You would have seen my video on my holiday house?. I want a store were people come in and say this is cool. A store which has options for customers. I have never seen a border bow in 40 years in archery. Australia or the US dont seem to import them. I think all bows should be offered to customers. When one of my customers brought one on Aliba or ebay about a year ago I thought why would you want that? Tbow offered it to me over a year ago and I said no. I thought who would want one. In my 40 years Border have never contacted us with their products. To finish you thought - on commerce - I finished top of my Uni in IT. I was offered a high paying executive role and was the youngest director in Health. Owning or working in an archery shop I know earn $400 a week. So tell me again about commerce. Or maybe setup an archery shop yourself so you can make the big bucks. Nothing shits me more than your mindless comment. You dont walk one day in my shoes. Dealing with people blowing up their bows, wearing strings, not having parcels delivered, importing problems. Archery stores are not dying because we are rolling in money. The margins are nothing, we compete with ebay and alibab who dont have to pay our taxes. The Margins are now less than when we started 40 years ago. Steven
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale really. That's a funny reply. One I totally don't beleave. Read all the coments above about the public knowledge on our products. If it helps. We have about 20 bows in Tazmania. Ask Geelong archery club, and check out your IFAA national barebow champions list. If you don't know this, you don't know your marketplace! Sorry bud. Your stance is unbeleavable
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale You don't sell archery equipment for charity, you do it to make a living so yes it is commerce. The fact that you claim to make little doing it is beside the point. Border do not sell their bows through shops, but direct to customers, we get to deal with them personally. Their bows are very popular with US archers, indeed they could probably sell their whole output to US archers where their bows are seen by many as the blue riband of hunting and traditional recurves. Now knowing that this Tbow Storm is a blatant rip-off of the Border Tempest and continuing to promote and sell it would demonstrate that you simply have no moral compass.
Because Border, a small family firm, spent many years and 10s of thousands of pounds developing their Tempest riser, many of us tested out the prototypes, just for some Chinese company to come along and steal their ideas. By buying this one you are just condoning theft, a morally indefensible position.
Because they have not understood the design and hence have not correctly implemented some subtle parts of the design. It really is a cheap, crap copy, the price is irrelevant.
I’m going to echo several other commenters. A very poor copy of one of the best Barebow risers available. Shout out to Border Archery, for the original Tempest, beautifully CNC’d and their novel (and precision) design features including the brass limb alignment plates.
@@xiaobaozha if you make such a statement,you should argument it.on the other hand for hunting and not the world championship, the subtle features are not importante.if kou wanna Deep fown this way you may see that border argues that gillo risers are bad and por,although its a number one riser design in the world class barebow champs
Bought the first TBow (Satori Clone) just to compare it to my Hoyt Satori. The 19" TBow riser was 1.1lbs heavier than my 21" Satori riser. On the TBow the fit and finish was no where near the quality of the Hoyt, no chamfers or bevels anywhere and the paint is garbage on the TBow. The metal used is no where near the same quality as the Hoyt Satori. The harmonics of the TBow where just absolutely horrible compared to the real one. Cheap metal used and I would never recommend it to anyone. That clicking noise you are hearing is NOT the string, it's the detents clicking under the draw cycle. You should have really set this up better and it looks over braced. How can you review a bow that you can't even pull back all the way. For that price just fork up the extra hundred and get a Satori if your in that market. This Border copy just won't come close to the real one, just like the Satori Clone. Just because it looks the same does not mean it is the same.
@Alex Yatsyuk yeah I don't believe he had that much weight difference. I've had both at different times and found the paint better on the tbow and I didn't feel a wight difference
Vous devriez avoir honte de voler un produit en en faisant une copie bas de gamme . Si vous voulez l original choisissez le tempest de border archery .shame on you
That’s a real shame - pushing sub-standard copycat equipment instead of the authentic kit. Blatant Border Tempest copy, maybe you’d have more credibility if you only reviewed authentic kit? Maybe we should make a fake UA-cam channel in your image and see how it feels to you!
Although I see the similarity to the border tempest, they made design changes to not infringe on copyright protections. No weights on top or bottom of the riser as seen on borders tempest. I think it's great that people can try things out for a third of the price, and if they love it buy the real thing one day. As he mentioned there were other bows with front risers as well. Maybe they should have left off the weights on the handle, to make everyone else happy though.
thats not true at all. you're looking at the tempest 25". there's many sizes including a 17" that also doesn't have weight bushing on the top and bottom. the only thing this doesn't seem to copy is the limb alignment system
@@kupop18 I stand corrected on them having a model without the weights in different locations. I feel the "cloning" situation is very similar to another hobby I enjoy which is balisongs. China has made clones of very expensive balisongs that may have very slight differences but it's enough to not break copyright laws outright. I obviously think the real things are usually way better than the clones though, but it's very hard to justify spending 500 to 1000 + on a knife or a bow that you may never have the chance to try out. There is also a large amount of people who could just never afford that either though too. I'm thankful and fortunate enough, that if I found something I really loved and enjoyed, I'd happily buy the real option of the clone. I know it's a touchy subject though, but I like to support both sides. Appreciate your feedback and hopefully your understanding.
😮how does one do a review when they don't know the specifics of the product 😂, you don't even know the poundage. Your way over bowed you can't even get a full draw. Don't tell me you got full draw ystrdy and now you can't today, that is unless you seriously damaged yourself in which you need to heal before you play archer
A blatant copy of the Border Tempest. The design is so unique, this cannot be a coincidence. Border have tried to address this with TBOW, but copyright infringement means nothing to the Chinese.
This seems to be a exact copy of the Border Tempest.
I think the Tempest is CNC machined though, and considerably more expensive
It is CNC, was at workshop couple of weeks ago
It’s a bad copy of the Tempest, even if CNC’d.
@@xiaobaozha they say this copy is a way better then original,soon i can check It myself
@@alexyatsyuk70 who is they? Only someone with a beef against Border would ever claim that.
@@xiaobaozha users
Border bows are too expensive for me. But i appreciate what they do. Promoting a blatant copy of one of their works is just a big yikes for me.
I understand you want to shed light on the budget options in archery. Of which there are many solid options. But entertaining brands that shamelessly copy is just not it man
I agree, and it could be a slippery slope because if you are going to advertise ripoff bows the main
real manufacturers might want to reconsider supplying the shop as it will impact on their business
That´s an exact copy of the Tempest Border Archery from Scotland…not nice to just copy..
Nothing like the real McCoy, the Border Tempest. This is just a rip-off that's not made with the same care and consideration of the original. I've been to visit Border to see how they do what they do and more importantly, why.
Would rather see you give the oxygen of publicity to the original version than this.
Wow that's a dupe of the Tempest from Scotland's border archery for sure.
or nearly the same as every recurve from the last 100 years. But sure. "Scotland's boarder" was first right? (though ive never even heard of them before)
yeah.... website hasnt been updated in 13 years. Almost 14.
@Cris n Mary Fam hey, nah this riser is a complete copy of the border tempest riser. If you google image search the two you will see the lack of difference
@@crisnmaryfam7344 There's no need for snark. Border is still very much active. They're one of the innovators in super-recurve limbs (deeper recurve hooks). Just google "Border Tempest", The Tbow Storm is an obvious copy. It's clear how the overall design of the riser is quite different from majority of riser designs.
@@crisnmaryfam7344
This riser looks like an exact copy of Borders riser Tempest. I'm not a fan of copying something exactly, this isn't right. I'm not against if you copy a feature someone else got on bows, but ripping it straight off like this just doesn't sit well with me. Just like the Junxing H7 and H8 risers looks to be exact copys of Hoyts Xceed and Hoyt formula Xi.
Agree 100%. It’s illegal to sell counterfeit goods.
And highly immoral too
I hope it is just ignorance that has lead Stevan promote a product that is a blatant breach of the Intellectual Property rights of a small, somewhat boutique company that designs and produces some fairly unique risers and limbs - Border Bows.
Why don't you put a positive slant on this by suggesting that Steven look at Border Bows rather than attacking him and others? You may get better results rather than getting innocent people's backs up.
wow, kinda baffled you now start reviewing what is a clear copy (and therefore IP theft) from a well known and reputable archery manufacturer: Border Archery
I have this riser, it is superb value for money, very well made including the limb pocket adjustments, shoots absolutely amazing for the money. I’m aware it’s very similar to the Tempest but not everyone can afford a tempest ….
Hi Steven, First Thank you for your video's. Being now retired and a new archer I have learned a lot from your videos. Can you review the Border Bow Tempest ? Being left-handed the clone, Tbow Storm is right hand only.
That riser looks killer! I am a coumpound bow guy, sometimes I pick up a recurve to shoot with my recurve bare bow buddies at the club. Man if I arrive with this at the club they are going to go nuts! 😂😂I I want one! 🤘👌👍
This bow has a place. Most people can’t and will never justify $1500 AUD for a original Border Tempest, $400 AUD is much easier to work with.
The copy is the only way I will ever come close to shooting one.
People's main problem is that for 400 aud you can get a basic ilf bow thay isn't copying someone elses so buying the clone doesn't help and its not your only option.
@@Hazza57t yes there are other ILF bows available at the cheaper price point. But I’m not talking about the barrier to entry for any old ILF setup. I’m talking about getting to try the Border tempest design.
I am much more likely to invest in a real one after trying the copy.
I would never spend $1500 on a riser with the risk that I may not like it.
Wish I had as much money as everyone else commenting on this.
@Ballistic 12ht I certainly get where you are coming from, but if you are in the market for a 1500 riser then spending 400 to test it out is still pretty expensive. I think you are also able to return the risers within a time window anyway with border as its a common question they get
@@Hazza57t that’s pretty good for Border to do. I spose my point is I wouldn’t consider a border riser based purely on price. Like it just doesn’t come up on my radar.
But the copy does.
Now if I buy a copy and love it, then I would be more likely to save up for the Border. Knowing it will be better than the copy.
I don’t think anyone that would or could afford the border will seriously buy a copy instead. But the copies will more likely produce more sales for Border in the long run
I bought two of these bows over a year ago along with another 15 or so, they are all to be used as club bows, this didn't however stop the Border mafia from trying to bismirch me. I didn't know at the time that it was a border copy but to be honest I was on a budget and would never consider a Border Tempest as a club bow but agree with your logic on people trying this bow and possibly moving onto a Border bow. I cannot understand why Border do not try and make this work in their favour, unless the difference in performance is not that great?
looks similar to the border tempest 19
Bloody carbon copy more like!
It is a blatant copy. Though the LLA system is traditional rather than using interchangable offset dovetails
Border Tempest is also machined and not cast. Altogether a better product. The design is so unique it cannot be a coincidence
@@Ezzie0304 it's also called "Storm" (compared to the original Tempest), definitely not just a coincidence, but even a taunt...
Hi Steven. I have 2 TBOW or Junxing H7 risers. One is an exact copy of the Hoyt Xceed and other is the same apart they took away the hybrid limb pocket system. Great bow. You should try the NIK'A limbs as well. Same as Uukha but a hell lot cheaper.
I had the possibility to test some Nika limbs against Uukha limbs with same poundage and profile (Nika are like the older Uukha Curve limbs). The Nika came out 10 fps slower with the same arrow. Draw wasn't that smooth on the Nika either.
@@chrisbowman2030 I have a set of HX10 Evo2 from uukha. The Nik'a N3 progress limbs are as good and as smooth to draw. For the price they are good. The C1 and C2 are not as smooth but still fantastic for the price.
T-bow more like Fake-Bow. Chinese direct copy inferior rip off product of the Border Tempest which is made by a small manufacturer in Scotland.
The original designer and manufacturer Border, makes this riser machine CNC'd from a solid billet with mega quality control and precision, brilliant finish to the riser and stands behind the product. 19,21,25 and 27inch versions available. The T-bone fake is a cast riser probably no good for limbs over 38lb to 40lb where it could well snap on you at full draw as cheap cast risers have a tendency to do at higher poundage.
What's different here from the big brand knock offs from China is that this riser was never made in China and then rebranded with another flag as 'assembled' in the USA etc by one of the big 4 manufacturers.
T-bone ripped off the little guy. A company with a handful of employees and then this rip off product is promoted by dealers who only see the bottom line whilst complaining that they aren't making money because of warranty claims and wondering why bespoke or custom manufacturers are going out of business 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
Quite a sad review.
Absolutely. This retailer is damageing the very industry he relies on by selling stolen design, RD and IP in the form of superficially goodlooking but often dangerous substandard products. DON'T BUY THEM.
Don't give air to such blatant copies of high end risers like this. The guys at Border put their hearts and serious design chops into their equipment only for these guys to come along and clone it to make a quick buck. It literally damages the livelihoods of a small but very capable bowyer to have this thing be promoted in any way. There are reputable brands not doing such things that are available at the same price point as this and those companies are usually putting money back into their R&D instead of stealing other company's.
the real one is a BorderTempest, the copy is a Storm, pretty sad they don't even have an original name.
Funny I have another tbow recurve and I have this one coming soon that just shipped. I just got into archery big time last year, I went from 0 to 10 since Sept 🤦🏾 I just happened to see this bow online in 60lb and I just loved the look even though my favorite bow I've acquired is my hoyt medallist built in 1963 it shoots like a champ.🤷🏾
And comparaison to toppoint slither?
I stand by my comment on the knuckle dusters 😂😂 just kidding. Thanks for setting me up with a good pair of limbs.
Glad you liked my riser :)
Very disappointed a reputable dealer sells these Chinese copies. Won’t be anywhere near the quality of the Border Tempest which has been copied. Wouldn’t touch the T bow out of principle even if it is a fraction of the Border price. You get what you pay for.
Goung this way you may through away your smart phone, laptop, tvset and many other useful things produced in china,Taiwán,Vietnam,india etc. We do not discuss high tec here of pentágon property.ird quite natch that we copy each other and sometimes a copy of da Vinci or Mark shagsl is superior then original
Pretty sure he said a customer brought it in.
@@Dragon.Slayer. he said a customer brought one of these in a month ago. So where did this new looking one come from?
Yes complete rip-off of the Border Tempest riser. Steven, I suggest that you take this video down from YT, rather than encourage people to consider buying what is intellectual property theft. Sid spent a number of years developing what is a superb riser, for some Chinese company to just steal his hard work. I hope that you are not intending selling these Steven as that would just be condoning this theft.
lol suggest. Chill
Hi Steven, It is similar to the mybow take down barrow. Take a look at that
Not exactly a new idea with end radical pro and spigarelli DMS before that .
Wns radical pro . Autocorrect problem
Knock offs are easy to engineer
Really disappointed to see you promote a product like this. As a retailer in a first world country, you are very much in the same position as the people on the manufacturing side such as Border Archery, facing the same challenges of a globalized and morally corrupt world. How would you like it if people started ordering all their gear directly from China, running you out of business?
A great bow, I have two of these that I purchased as club bows, I use 34lb limbs, so as it is a cast riser it should be well within its safety limits.
Absolutely no hand shock and shoots great. Highly recommend this bow for people new to the sport. Who are on a budget.
Sid here from Border Archery. Thanks for playing the innocent here. But you have followed us on instagram for a while now. Why are you playing innocent?
Sid, it seems that commerce is more important than morality.
First I dont have an instagram account it is managed by one of my staff. In my 40 years of selling archery gear I have never seen one of your bows. In 40 years you have never sent me anything to say you exist. I have been into over 100 stores in the USA never seen one of your bows. But you presume I know of you or your company.
No one in Australia stocks you bows. I buy in Europe they dont stock your bows. I looked at your website today when one of my staff showed me your comment. You have some nice bows. I dont see the storm on your website. I went on youtube and you certainly dont review your own products.
Steven
@@colinsymonds9048 I dont think it is commerce - If you watch my videos we make nothing selling archery gear. You would have seen my video on my holiday house?. I want a store were people come in and say this is cool. A store which has options for customers. I have never seen a border bow in 40 years in archery. Australia or the US dont seem to import them. I think all bows should be offered to customers.
When one of my customers brought one on Aliba or ebay about a year ago I thought why would you want that? Tbow offered it to me over a year ago and I said no. I thought who would want one.
In my 40 years Border have never contacted us with their products.
To finish you thought - on commerce - I finished top of my Uni in IT. I was offered a high paying executive role and was the youngest director in Health. Owning or working in an archery shop I know earn $400 a week. So tell me again about commerce. Or maybe setup an archery shop yourself so you can make the big bucks.
Nothing shits me more than your mindless comment. You dont walk one day in my shoes. Dealing with people blowing up their bows, wearing strings, not having parcels delivered, importing problems. Archery stores are not dying because we are rolling in money. The margins are nothing, we compete with ebay and alibab who dont have to pay our taxes. The Margins are now less than when we started 40 years ago.
Steven
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale really. That's a funny reply. One I totally don't beleave. Read all the coments above about the public knowledge on our products. If it helps. We have about 20 bows in Tazmania. Ask Geelong archery club, and check out your IFAA national barebow champions list.
If you don't know this, you don't know your marketplace! Sorry bud. Your stance is unbeleavable
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale You don't sell archery equipment for charity, you do it to make a living so yes it is commerce. The fact that you claim to make little doing it is beside the point. Border do not sell their bows through shops, but direct to customers, we get to deal with them personally. Their bows are very popular with US archers, indeed they could probably sell their whole output to US archers where their bows are seen by many as the blue riband of hunting and traditional recurves. Now knowing that this Tbow Storm is a blatant rip-off of the Border Tempest and continuing to promote and sell it would demonstrate that you simply have no moral compass.
What a rip off, that's a Border Tempest!!!
Copy of Border Archery Tempest.
You said the price of the limbs, but not the riser. Those limbs are way too shiny for a hunting set up.
Super riser, affordable border tempest.bought me one already, why should pay 700€ for border? If i can settle it at 150€with tbow ?
Because Border, a small family firm, spent many years and 10s of thousands of pounds developing their Tempest riser, many of us tested out the prototypes, just for some Chinese company to come along and steal their ideas. By buying this one you are just condoning theft, a morally indefensible position.
Because they have not understood the design and hence have not correctly implemented some subtle parts of the design. It really is a cheap, crap copy, the price is irrelevant.
I’m going to echo several other commenters. A very poor copy of one of the best Barebow risers available. Shout out to Border Archery, for the original Tempest, beautifully CNC’d and their novel (and precision) design features including the brass limb alignment plates.
@@xiaobaozha its necessary tbow creates high class ILF/f, limbs same as uukha, morrison
@@xiaobaozha if you make such a statement,you should argument it.on the other hand for hunting and not the world championship, the subtle features are not importante.if kou wanna Deep fown this way you may see that border argues that gillo risers are bad and por,although its a number one riser design in the world class barebow champs
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Bought the first TBow (Satori Clone) just to compare it to my Hoyt Satori. The 19" TBow riser was 1.1lbs heavier than my 21" Satori riser. On the TBow the fit and finish was no where near the quality of the Hoyt, no chamfers or bevels anywhere and the paint is garbage on the TBow. The metal used is no where near the same quality as the Hoyt Satori. The harmonics of the TBow where just absolutely horrible compared to the real one. Cheap metal used and I would never recommend it to anyone. That clicking noise you are hearing is NOT the string, it's the detents clicking under the draw cycle. You should have really set this up better and it looks over braced. How can you review a bow that you can't even pull back all the way. For that price just fork up the extra hundred and get a Satori if your in that market. This Border copy just won't come close to the real one, just like the Satori Clone. Just because it looks the same does not mean it is the same.
He can't pull it back due to open heart surgery, as he said he could draw it the day before.
I have a hoyt satori and a tbow clone, no difference that you described that i could Discover. 1:1identique copy
@Alex Yatsyuk yeah I don't believe he had that much weight difference. I've had both at different times and found the paint better on the tbow and I didn't feel a wight difference
This is a blatant rip-off of Border's Tempest. Even the name is a rip-off, with "Storm" being another word for "Tempest."
Vous devriez avoir honte de voler un produit en en faisant une copie bas de gamme . Si vous voulez l original choisissez le tempest de border archery .shame on you
Со мной реально пообщаться не желаешь, маг, мать твою, без всяких самострелов, а так от души.
You seem impressed with this bow Steven, perhaps it deserves a longer full review to do it justice, one way or the other. 😊
Now mobsters can use the bow to shake down customers
Go hunt and shoot eith it everyday,its a perfect bow with uukha uureg
That’s a real shame - pushing sub-standard copycat equipment instead of the authentic kit. Blatant Border Tempest copy, maybe you’d have more credibility if you only reviewed authentic kit? Maybe we should make a fake UA-cam channel in your image and see how it feels to you!
This is a Border Tempest copy. You need to stop selling and promoting rip off bows. Your name will end up being mud in the Archery world.
It’s a copy 😢 of a border bow may be a re edit
Don’t buy this trash. Blatant copy of a border tempest. I have 2 tempests. Theyre great.
Border rip off…
You can’t even draw it properly so how can your ‘review’ have any merit?
You maybe unaware that Steven has recently undergone heart surgery and is still in recovery. Steven has helped thousands of archers with his reviews.
Tbow ripping off Border Archery Tempest.
Damn... A Border rip off...
That works really well.
Tempting...
Стрелок то из вас батенька хреновенький
Although I see the similarity to the border tempest, they made design changes to not infringe on copyright protections. No weights on top or bottom of the riser as seen on borders tempest. I think it's great that people can try things out for a third of the price, and if they love it buy the real thing one day. As he mentioned there were other bows with front risers as well. Maybe they should have left off the weights on the handle, to make everyone else happy though.
thats not true at all. you're looking at the tempest 25". there's many sizes including a 17" that also doesn't have weight bushing on the top and bottom. the only thing this doesn't seem to copy is the limb alignment system
@@kupop18 I stand corrected on them having a model without the weights in different locations. I feel the "cloning" situation is very similar to another hobby I enjoy which is balisongs. China has made clones of very expensive balisongs that may have very slight differences but it's enough to not break copyright laws outright. I obviously think the real things are usually way better than the clones though, but it's very hard to justify spending 500 to 1000 + on a knife or a bow that you may never have the chance to try out. There is also a large amount of people who could just never afford that either though too. I'm thankful and fortunate enough, that if I found something I really loved and enjoyed, I'd happily buy the real option of the clone. I know it's a touchy subject though, but I like to support both sides. Appreciate your feedback and hopefully your understanding.
😮how does one do a review when they don't know the specifics of the product 😂, you don't even know the poundage. Your way over bowed you can't even get a full draw. Don't tell me you got full draw ystrdy and now you can't today, that is unless you seriously damaged yourself in which you need to heal before you play archer
Stephen is recovering from major heart surgery. So yes not fully healed.
Perhaps watch some of his full reviews on other bows.
No mention that it’s a ripoff of the Border Tempest