Vertical aerials for HF short wave amateur ham radio bands

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  • @reggiejones2513
    @reggiejones2513 9 років тому +11

    Hi Ray...nice tutorial...it was a pleasure to listen to someone not full of their own self importance for a change. Thank you.

  • @russellroberts2228
    @russellroberts2228 9 років тому +18

    A good, basic, informative tutorial on vertical antennas. Ray (G4NSJ) does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject. I use both verticals and dipoles for my ham radio adventures. Both antennas are useful, depending on what propagation is to your DX location. I like Ray's "down to earth", casual explanations. Aloha es 73 de Russ (KH6JRM),

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      +Russell Roberts Hi Russ, thanks for that. It's nice to get feedback. Cheers, Ray.

    • @gripper021164
      @gripper021164 8 років тому +2

      Have to agree Russell.....Ive learnt a thing or three......For instance I no longer use 50ohm coax as a feed to my dipole....Ladder line is much better!....

    • @russellroberts2228
      @russellroberts2228 8 років тому +2

      Thanks for the reply, gripper. I tend to favor ladder line or television twin lead for my HF antennas. With ladder line, I can get several bands from a basic dipole. A great tool for those of us having limited space. Aloha, Russ (KH6JRM).

    • @gripper021164
      @gripper021164 8 років тому +2

      Russell Roberts
      Hi Russ. Well after watching Rays excellent video I have binned my 40 mtre coax fed dipole and managed to fit about 112 feet of wire in a dipole configuration, 56 + 56 or near that anyway, got myself a MFJ-948 and some 300ohm and I couldn't believe the results, absolutly brilliant, Ive always had verticals, mainly due to having small garden but have a large garden now so was able to do this....I'm really glad I found rays videos, I can listen to him waffle on all day cos he makes it easy to understand and it certainly isn't boring like some vids about antennas etc and I have learnt stuff too.......73 M6KQL Mark

  • @Joe-KN4IFI
    @Joe-KN4IFI 5 років тому +3

    I love making all my antennas. Just finished a EFHW 67' - 10, 15, 20 and 40m sloper with a 49:1 auto transformer at the feed point. Works great without the ATU in the FD-450D but I uses the tuner to touch it up. 73's KN4IFI

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  5 років тому +1

      Joseph Rostochak excellent!

  • @m.9243
    @m.9243 10 років тому +17

    What a great narrator! A great bunch of people Radio Amateurs are, committed in helping others by sharing ideas.
    Thank you so much Ray and happy DX ing!
    73's from a VK2 fellow ham.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому +1

      Thanks for your comment, it's nice to be appreciated. Cheers, Ray.

    • @AndrewMurphy8383
      @AndrewMurphy8383 4 роки тому +1

      @@g4nsj IF I use a dipole or doublet why is it i can talk to people from russia cananda and south american then

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  4 роки тому

      Andrew Murphy Not sure what you mean. Probably because it’s a good aerial.

    • @AndrewMurphy8383
      @AndrewMurphy8383 4 роки тому

      @@g4nsj you said that dipole was only good for loc are like london and etc.But i am telling u the doublet and dipoles i use i have talk or hear almost around the world like canada, oslen norway, ausstraila etc. so saying that they are not good for long distance qso to point your right but there aging i have better luck with dipole for dx etc

    • @m.9243
      @m.9243 4 роки тому

      @@AndrewMurphy8383
      I think, in Ray's situation, he's at the bottom tip of England so, if his wire dipole is stretched E - W, his radiation lobe is N - S and so, as he says, he covers all of the UK due north of him (..and of course, anything south of his location).
      The vertical on the other hand transmits over the horizon which, again as he describes, gets to do DX contacts while, depending on *terrain* can easily miss close receiving stations that are not located up high. And the higher the gain of the vertical antenna, the narrower becomes the transmission lobe. This is more evident on higher frequencies.
      Anyway, with your (wire?) dipoles, you can easily get long DXing _on the tranmitting lobe of the dipole_
      And of course, if you use more than one dipoles with different polarization ( N.- S.) or ( E - W), then yes, you can work the world as you do! 😉

  • @battlestarone
    @battlestarone 10 років тому +1

    a joy to see another OM haring his knowledge with other hams,wish there were more like you,,,regards gm7jds

  • @spy8464BB
    @spy8464BB 7 років тому

    I wish you were my neighbor. I am starting out and trying to learn as much as possible. You have provided some practical real world information which has helped me connect some of those loose puzzle pieces that have been rattling around in my head.
    thank you. I have subscribed and hope to learn more. .

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      spy8464BB Hi, I'm glad you found the video useful. More coming soon. Cheers, Ray.

  • @davidharper4289
    @davidharper4289 8 років тому

    Thank you, after huge amounts of study on the subject the "penny dropped". I will be forever grateful. Take care, David

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +David Harper Thanks, David. It's nice to get positive feedback. Cheers, Ray.

  • @alanrachel8096
    @alanrachel8096 6 років тому

    I loved the snippet about bending the mobile antenna over for NVIS

  • @davenpaula
    @davenpaula 10 років тому +1

    good ray, built that 20m vert a couple of years ago off your site.got my 20m dxcc award on that antenna over 200 countrys worked 0n 20m vert at the moment.keep up the good work.73 dave

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Hi Dave, that's good news. I'm so pleased that the aerial has worked well for you. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Cheers, Ray.

  • @WauliPaulnuts
    @WauliPaulnuts 7 років тому +1

    I enjoy most of all experimenting with aerials in my amateur radio activities

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Me too, it's the best part of the hobby.

  • @combatjm89
    @combatjm89 9 років тому

    Your vid gave me a great idea for setting up an aluminum vertical and using it as a support for an inverted-V dipole. Best of both worlds. Thanks!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      +combatjm89 Good luck with the aerial. Cheers, Ray.

  • @Isszarya
    @Isszarya 10 років тому +5

    Just good advice and no bull ,and it makes sense more vids please Joe

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому +1

      Thanks, Joe. More videos coming soon. Cheers, Ray.

  • @billashby2156
    @billashby2156 6 років тому +1

    Ray,
    Thanks for the GREAT Presentation!
    You’ve given me an idea for making a 20m Vertical Antenna!
    -73-
    Bill
    N6FFC

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  6 років тому

      Hi Bill, let me know how you get on with the aerial. Cheers, Ray.

  • @adelarsen9776
    @adelarsen9776 10 років тому +3

    At 19:39 = put your seatbelt on.
    One should have a vertical and a horizontally polarized antenna for all situations. And don't be afraid to change between the two.

  • @nasanction
    @nasanction 6 років тому +2

    From my experience, one of the best vertical antenna's is the j pole antenna.

  • @MakeDoAndMend1
    @MakeDoAndMend1 2 роки тому

    Hi Ray. Just to say how much I am enjoying your videos. It has put many ideas into my head regarding vertical antennas. The one I have made and still working on uses a garden table plastic leg for the garden wire coil. Car brake pipe as vertical telescopic rod. Stand for aerial is a cheapo selfie stick like tripod. Loudspeaker cheapo wire for ground, counterpoise etc. Ìdea is for portable use when out camping or motorhoming. If you have some spare time have a look at my videos if you can find it and your comments would be greatly appreciated. Ps my Hobby used to be Stationary Engines. I used to own 27 Engines. Cheers from old George Petter

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  2 роки тому

      Hi George, I’ll take @ look at your videos when I get a minute. OK on the engines. I hope to get my Lister D running this year.

  • @davidchadwick1892
    @davidchadwick1892 8 років тому

    Thanks again Ray, another relaxed mix of knowledge and humour, wish my science teachers had been this interesting, and "Radio Theory" in the Army was described by one wag as Mystery Hour !
    cheers Dave

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +David Chadwick Hi Dave, thanks for your nice comments. I'm glad you like the videos. Cheers, Ray.

  • @oldhack
    @oldhack 10 років тому +2

    Thanks for the explanation Ray. I enjoyed your description. It helped me to visualize the radiation pattern on a vertical.
    KG5EBD-Jeff

  • @edwymer6928
    @edwymer6928 5 років тому +1

    Another great Video Ray.
    Thank you for your time.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  5 років тому

      Ed Wymer thanks Ed!

  • @1fanger
    @1fanger 10 років тому +3

    Hello, thanks for your lesson on antennas! Very informative. I have some new ideas for a ground mount antenna now. We`ll be checking out your channel. 73,
    Joe KC3BXZ

  • @gripper021164
    @gripper021164 9 років тому +3

    Great thanks, as Theo T said you answered a lot of questions before I had chance to ask......Top man......

  • @noncounterproductive4596
    @noncounterproductive4596 4 роки тому

    A friend of mine who is a broadcast engineer says that it is crucially important for ground radials to be arranged symmetrically. If you can only arrange two radials symmetrically, then just use two.
    Ideally the ground-radials should also be several feet above the ground (which in many situations will not be practical).

  • @JonStow
    @JonStow 9 років тому +4

    Thanks, Ray. Food for thought. All the best.
    Jon G4MCU

  • @frankedwardcurry
    @frankedwardcurry 8 років тому

    Hello Ray. I have a vertical antenna for 20metres - basically it is an old CB antenna with the coil removed. It has no radials - yet I have had good signal reports from Russia - Bulgaria - Romania - Italy etc. I adjusted the length to exactly 5 metres and it tunes using my MFJ ATU. It is sort of grounded as my Transceiver is grounded to an earth stake in my lawn.So the antenna is a Quarter wave vertical for 20m and a Half wave vertical for 10m. I live in Towcester Northamptonshire.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Hi Frank, sounds good to me. I love verticals. Get some radials out soon. Cheers, Ray.

    • @frankedwardcurry
      @frankedwardcurry 8 років тому +1

      Thanks Ray - Hope to get the radials done tomorrow. Just have to experiment don"t we. I love it . Cheers.

  • @jbyronh
    @jbyronh 8 років тому

    One of the best videos I've seen, Ray. Great job.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +Jim Hall Thanks, Jim!

  • @kellypaws
    @kellypaws 8 років тому +1

    I decided to try vertical instead of inverted v, or mag loop after watching this (very helpful) video. Basically, I think it's a point well made, my vertical has performed far better. 73s.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      I'm pleased that you're getting on well with the vertical. They are excellent aerials. Cheers, Ray.

  • @ben2e0omr
    @ben2e0omr 4 роки тому +1

    Cheers Ray. Cracking and very informative video. Thank you.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  4 роки тому

      Ben 2e0omr thanks!

  • @shaneweightman
    @shaneweightman 9 років тому +2

    good video very informative ,,ive been on the 11mtr band for 20 odd yrs plan to do foundation this yr so will be playing around with some homemade stuff myself soon ,,,,bring on the summer ,,cheers shane warks

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      Bring on the summer indeed! Nice to hear from you, Shane. Good DX. Cheers, Ray.

    • @shaneweightman
      @shaneweightman 9 років тому

      whats your views on the mfj antenna analyser please Ray ?

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      To be honest, I've never tried one. However, I have heard that they are pretty good.

  • @ProbablyTooLoud
    @ProbablyTooLoud 5 років тому +1

    Enjoyable indeed ! Thank you !!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  5 років тому

      Thanks!

  • @Etherionix
    @Etherionix 8 років тому

    The common 43ft Vertical is great as a 5/8 wave on 20 and on a mast (insulated from mast) with down sloping radials (counterpoises) to increase the impedance. Less ground loss and faster than buried radials. "Might" fit your garden area. The elevation also lowers the TOA.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Thanks for that, Don, Interesting stuff. Cheers, Ray.

  • @Spoolz07
    @Spoolz07 8 років тому

    Just discovered your channel. Great video! I shall enjoy watching the others. Liked & subscribed!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Excellent! Tanks for commenting. Cheers, Ray.

  • @2e0rlrrod23
    @2e0rlrrod23 7 років тому +1

    Loved the feed Ray 73s Rod 2E0RLR

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Roger Hanson Thanks, Rod. Glad you liked it. Cheers, Ray.

  • @kissingbanditt
    @kissingbanditt 10 років тому +1

    amazing explanation...thank you so much, you answered me 20 questions i had....vertical antenna it is...

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Excellent, hope it works out well. Cheers, Ray.

  • @87122tony
    @87122tony 10 років тому +1

    Great stuff, I love antenna experiment, my 60m dipole is only 20 foot high,,,does what it says on the tin! 73 Tony M0RIF

  • @Calico5string1962
    @Calico5string1962 6 років тому

    Good info, and fun to watch to boot!Good stuff! ThanksCheers,Alan

  • @JonathanAdami
    @JonathanAdami 8 років тому

    The Skip Zone is one thing but there's antenna polarity to care about... when it bounces off the ionosphere it doesn't matter as much but ground waves are polarised!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Indeed, there are many factors affecting radio wave propagation. Cheers,. Ray.

  • @tonypoloney8721
    @tonypoloney8721 Рік тому +1

    Hi Ray, you haven't changed a bit in ten years. Must be someting to do with radiation. How do you terminate the wire at the top of the vertical antenna? Thanks in advance. Love your videos.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  Рік тому +1

      Perhaps I’m getting younger, that would be nice! The wire at the top of the aerial just ends. There’s no need to terminate it. Glad you like the videos. Cheers, Ray.

    • @tonypoloney8721
      @tonypoloney8721 Рік тому +1

      @@g4nsj Thanks Ray De M7AIL.

  • @pankaj_RO
    @pankaj_RO 9 років тому +1

    Very useful info,watched breathlessly, spare more info about other type of antenna.

  • @toastnotoflondon8500
    @toastnotoflondon8500 4 роки тому

    Ingenious Ray cheers.

  • @MauriatOttolink
    @MauriatOttolink 10 років тому +4

    Thank you for a very interesting video.
    I love your natural, relaxed style coupled with the fact that you know what you're talking about.. So many internet-arrogant gurus don't!
    One problem which mystifies me. You can't be a proper Ham. Your shack is to neat and tidy. Do think that YOUR XYL could knock ME into shape as well?
    Mine can't!
    May I just add that an MFJ analyser or a noise bridge, would do the job without radiating a signal?
    The noise bridge could be a simple home made one and used with the RX but of course the MFJ would need the money which you wisely try not to spend.
    Good to watch. I'll look for more from you.
    73 G3NBY

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Thanks, it's nice to get positive feedback. All the best, Ray.

    • @billashby2156
      @billashby2156 6 років тому

      MauriatOttolink
      You’re Right!
      Amateurs “Generally” have some kind of a “Rats Nest” near their Radio’s, encompassing the Tuner(s), Amps, Coffee Makers etc...However, I have Yet to meet a HAM who can’t reach out and Touch Whatever piece of equipment that they Want/Need to access at Any Time!

  • @johnpeterson7264
    @johnpeterson7264 6 років тому +2

    Wonderful as always. Thank you .

  • @paulclark7664
    @paulclark7664 7 років тому +1

    Thanks Ray. Interesting and informative as ever !

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Thanks Paul.

  • @control5835
    @control5835 9 років тому +2

    Far more knowledgeable than myself, but without being synical, these very knowledgeable guys don't apprieciate some of us aren't and so want to build something easier. In particular why not tune from the rig end, maybe with a simple UNUN at the verticle base! Brian M6BAQ (QTH Dover).

  • @TonyButchT
    @TonyButchT 8 років тому

    Very informative video...Thank You! Very fine workshop also!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Ray.

    • @TonyButchT
      @TonyButchT 8 років тому

      Thank you for the reply!

  • @tomcatGB
    @tomcatGB 8 років тому +1

    What a relaxed informative and funny at times video thanks Ray :-)

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому +1

      +tomcatGB Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Ray.

  • @gailwisher
    @gailwisher 8 років тому +1

    Lots of good points a i am trying to build a vertical .

  • @joffa5555
    @joffa5555 10 років тому

    Hi Ray can this setup use twinlead 300 ohm instead of coax, it appears your coax goes up the guts of the tube, RG 8, then you use RG213 from the tuner.
    For a dipole, twin lead is perfect straight to a tuner.
    I have a Chameleon V1 I want to put up on a chimney, Distance to shack is around 15 meters. Will RG8 be fine or can I use 300 ohm ladder line. Its hard to find info on this setup, especially how to connect the ladder line to a PL-259 connector, can I use a 2 to 3 inch piece of coax to solder to or will it bugger up the ohms or something.
    Help from you or any of your fans would be great.
    BTW Thanks for the great videos, your fun guy to watch and listen too...
    Grant.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      It will probably work with 300 ohm. Give it a go, I've never tried it. Cheers, Ray.

  • @paulkazjack
    @paulkazjack Рік тому +1

    My horizontal end fed wire works great for inter g and works great for working Australia and all around the planet!! Explain that.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  Рік тому

      Excellent! Obviously good sky wave. 👍

  • @AntiqueRadioandTV
    @AntiqueRadioandTV 10 років тому +1

    Thanks for all the good info on verticals Ray. Very interesting.
    I'd would like you opinion on the K4KIO Hexbeam that I am really interested in acquiring. Do you have any experience with these antennas or know others that have? I'm most interested in DXing, so do you know if this has a low angle of radiation like a beam antenna has?
    Again, thanks!
    73s
    Tom

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Hi Tom, I don't have any experience with that aerial but I will ask around and let you know if I come up with anything. I would have thought it good for DX as it's a beam. Cheers, Ray.

  • @jamiewilliams8101
    @jamiewilliams8101 8 років тому

    wonderful video . I have a random question about a vintage german ww2 large diameter copper tank antenna . I have a neighbor who collects and told me Hollywood uses those german copper panzer antennas for sword fighting and they do not bend . how is this possible being a soft metal like copper ?

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +Jamie Williams Sorry, I have no idea.

  • @MauriatOttolink
    @MauriatOttolink 7 років тому

    Hi Ray.. Watched it again for further enjoyment.
    Remarkably realistic.
    It always rains. How DO you arrange that each time?
    73 from G3NBY and WB7MBR Dave in Utah.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Hi Dave, it's al done with smoke and mirrors! Cheers, Ray.

  • @battlestarone
    @battlestarone 8 років тому

    could you do a vid on the effects of coax length on swr reading in the shack and odd multiples of a 1/4 wave theary...something thats often overlooked when installing antennas

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +battlestarone Yes, it's on my list. The list is quite long but I will get round to it. Cheers, Ray.

  • @gustavobourdieu4962
    @gustavobourdieu4962 9 років тому +1

    Tnx Ray, good DX, love verticals. K8OOI.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      +Gustavo Bourdieu Glad you lied the video. All the best, Ray.

  • @theamertureradioenthusiast3368
    @theamertureradioenthusiast3368 4 роки тому +1

    I have a heathkit receiver and it seems to work best with my 18 foot antron plugged in and a earth wire connected to the earth screw on the back panel the antenna is 10 foot above the hows ridge .Seems to work well Is this ok to do.
    Regards nick

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  4 роки тому +1

      Sounds good to me. Well done.

  • @sil15a
    @sil15a 7 років тому +1

    Fantastic information, thank you

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Thanks!

  • @philshort3445
    @philshort3445 9 років тому

    Hi Ray, I fully understand the need for a good earth with radials. However I am wondering how Roger G4ROJ does so well with his vertical kite aerials with only one small rod driven into the ground next to his car. Any ideas? Cheers, Phil, G8RFD.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому +1

      Phil Short Hi Phil, the need for a good earth depends on the length of the aerial. If the aerial is a half wave, then an earth isn't needed. A quarter wave aerial will need a very good earth system. Cheers, Ray.

  • @johnbrown1835
    @johnbrown1835 7 років тому

    Hi Ray
    Thanks for great tutorials on antenna is the whole 40 feet the actual antenna or just the top section I'm new to the hobby studying for my licence here in Oz
    Thanks again for great videos
    Best regards
    JB Sydney Australia

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Hi John, thanks for your kind comments. Good luck with the hobby. Cheers, Ray.

  • @LWeeks-ru6nk
    @LWeeks-ru6nk 7 років тому

    A lot of good, common sense ideas there. I'll keep checking back. N5XV

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      Thanks!

  • @ericbergmueller2981
    @ericbergmueller2981 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for the good ideas. 73 de KB3UYT.

  • @mikedennington8856
    @mikedennington8856 8 років тому +1

    well explained like watching your videos.

  • @AI4QT
    @AI4QT 9 років тому +2

    Excellent !!!

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      Thanks.

  • @dougier8093
    @dougier8093 10 років тому +1

    Very interesting thank you

  • @WASRT001
    @WASRT001 9 років тому +1

    Love your videos. Question sir. Does a vertical HF antenna with a resonant counterpoise work as effectively as the same antenna with ground radials? Does it affect the radiation pattern? Thanks in advance from a new Ham. KG7VCL.... 73

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  9 років тому

      TheMojo1963 Ground radials are far better. Also, the radiation pattern should be more equal around the aerial.

  • @battlestarone
    @battlestarone 8 років тому

    tnx for a very speedy responce..regards brian gm7jds

  • @YO3DLK
    @YO3DLK 10 років тому +2

    I liked the movie.
    Congratulations.
    73 YO3DLK-Alex

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Thanks Alex. All the best, Ray.

  • @JamesP6084
    @JamesP6084 8 років тому

    Interesting stuff thank you

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      Thanks. Cheers, Ray.

  • @AA5MC
    @AA5MC 10 років тому +1

    enjoyed!

  • @bryantthompson
    @bryantthompson 8 років тому

    learned a few things with this video, thank you.
    73
    de kc0edo

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  8 років тому

      +bryant thompson Glad you found it useful. Cheers, Ray.

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 7 років тому

    Have you ever used a real tall vertical like 57ft tall for 20 thru 80 meters.

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  7 років тому

      The longest I've used was around 45 feet. Excellent results. Cheers, Ray.

  • @m0ggk
    @m0ggk 10 років тому

    Hi ray
    can you do a video on yor thoughts of a Mag loop please.
    73
    Dave M0GGK

    • @g4nsj
      @g4nsj  10 років тому

      Hi Dave, OK I'll give it some thought. Cheers, Ray.

  • @woozyrocketman1784
    @woozyrocketman1784 6 років тому

    the airwaves are silent of late.