Rocky Marciano - The Brockton Blockbuster Highlights
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- Highlights from Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano was born Rocco Francis Marchegiano, on September 1, 1923, in Brockton, Massachusetts. During his career, Marciano held the heavyweight boxing title for four years in the 1950s, and he is the only boxing champion to ever retire undefeated. On April 27, 1956, world heavyweight champ Rocky Marciano retires from boxing at age 31, saying he wants to spend more time with his family. Marciano ended his career as the only heavyweight champion with a perfect record--49 wins in 49 professional bouts, with 43 knockouts.
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Don Turner said, "Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever see." Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born 1939-n-raised in Cincinnati. Don was 15yrs old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!
Turner continues, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles. I chose boxing because when I was growing up, Ezzard was one of the greatest fighters in the world. Evander Holyfield is special. Evander is a throwback to Marciano. The fight I'd love to see is Marciano against Holyfield." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74
Turner was always partial towards Rocky's monk-like training. He never talked about Ali, Foreman, Frazier, etc. only little Marciano. And for some unknown reason he always despised the Klitschko brothers.
Look-up top 20 trainers of all time. Won't see Turner anywhere:
Cus D' Amato
Eddie Futch
Freddie Roach
Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain
Lou Duva
Emanuel Steward
Angelo Dundee
Jack Blackburn
Teddy Atlas
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Ray Arcel
What happened to Don? He lost all credibility when he convinced Evander Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." During the heavyweight championship bout, Holyfield suffered a cut above his left eye which kept re-opening during the match, affecting his vision. The lack of a cutman was determining factor that cost Holyfield the match.
Holyfield gave him the boot, Michael Grant gave him the boot, everyone gave Don the boot. Fighters only worked with him as last resort, and other trainers like Steward disliked him.
Turner is still stuck-in those old-school days when fighters fought 15 times per year. He believes every fighter should do the Rocky monk-like training regimen, and completely abandon their families and personal lives. The 40's and 50's are Gone-Don, and so is little 185-lb Cruiserweight Marciano.
Oct 21, 2021 - Just saw Gypsy King Fury with his family on the beach singing songs with his fans. This man is the real people's champion, long live the King! In Fury we literally have a real life Rocky, not that fraudulent little Marciano who abandoned his own family to sleep with thousands then left them penniless.
Granted Marciano and Charles were tuff during their time but that was 70yrs ago when heavyweights were not much bigger than light heavyweights. Little Charles weighed 181 and little Rocky weighed 184 when they won their heavyweight titles, and anyone who thinks they could compete against today's 250 lb Super Heavyweights is Moronic
You are ridiculous, you copy accounts, comment and respond to yourself from your other accounts. Absurd
Archie Moore was born December 13, 1913. Light heavy champ Moore moved up in weight to fight Marciano at the age of 41. Imagine if Marciano was 41 and moved up in weight to fight 32 year old Moore. The fallacy that Moore & Walcott peaked at 40+ years old is a misleading unsound argument and scientifically impossible.
Moore and Louis was so past their prime it don't even makes sense.
Your using my profile to post lies
Nov 1990 Ring magazine issue has an interview with Roland Lastarza about the two Marciano fights.
About their 1st fight Rollie said that Rocky was unusually cautious in the early rounds.
"I wondered what he was up to, I'd thought he would come at me, bombing away. When I saw him jabbing and trying to box, I didn't know whether it was a trap or not. So I just stood back and did what I'd planned to do, jab and move."
(Marciano was warned 5 times for low blows in the first 5 rds and the 6th rd was given to Lastarza for fouls.)
Lastarza recalled, "I knew how close the fight was, everyone did. But overall I'm sure as income taxes that I outscored him. "I honestly feel I was the winner. The Associated Press had it 5-4-1 for me. Every reporter gave me the decision. They said I was robbed."
The close decision went to Marciano 5-4-1, 4-5-1 the ref scored draw.
"Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, "We don't want to go back"..After that he avoided us like the plague. I did get frustrated here was Marciano making a bundle while I was fighting for peanuts."
Lastarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano supposedly inflicted on his arms in their second fight. "There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. They really went bad during the training before the Marciano fight. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain-killers and I really needed them."
"Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got a shot on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. I couldn't move, I took it for five more rounds. They claimed he was punishing me instead of kayoing me, but he was doing his damndest to knock me out, and he couldn't do it for those five rounds because I took a good punch. I was still standing when they stopped the fight."
Lastarza was interviewed by James Dusgate
Who did Marciano fight that was so great? Those 4 Hall of Famers already attained that status before they even fought Rocky. Folks trying to say those 4 were still prime is utter nonsense. Charles & Moore peaked at light heavyweight not heavyweight. Joe Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott's 49 wins 20 losses is nothing to brag about.
Rocky cleaned out the fcking heavyweight division of the 1950s. Just because you don't know the fighters doesn't mean they were not good.
Walcott is who Ali learned from.
Joe Louis still had his skills and was on an 8 fight winning streak to take back the title.
Arcie Moore was light heavyweight and fought Ali 10 years later.
He said at the time he fought rocky he believed he was UNBEATABLE until he fought rocky.
He trained George foreman and still said rocky was the hardest puncher he ever seen.
Joe Louis said rocky could knock out anyone.
Rocky beat other undeafeated fighters who would have been inline for the title had he not destroyed them.
Ali said rocky was way better than Frazier and in a clip play by play rocky could close distance much more effective than Joe Frazier while hitting harder.
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@@louisj.marciano2562 slime balls. Ther everywhere.
@@louisj.marciano2562 That ain't your name mister. Even if it was every name and pic on U-Tube is free to the public!!! I used Clint Eastwood and Steve McQueen names for years. If you had read the policies you would have known not to use your actual name. There's millions of Marciano haters what did you expect?
@@louisj.marciano2562 Whining to others ain't gonna help because there is zero they can do. I know who's doing it. It's the old Studentofsweetscience. He has about 10 different burner accounts. He's the one going around with all the black women pics. He used to use black David Frost remember?
Combined, Walcott, Charles, Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would be talking about Walcott, Charles, Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott, Charles, Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali, Liston, Holmes, Tyson, and Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott, Charles, Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston, Holmes, Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott, Charles, Moore.
Thanks for bringing that stat up about Walcott, Charles and Moore. You say that combined they lost 68 times. Well, seeing how combined, they had 410 bouts that looks pretty good to me. Thanks Freak Boy.
Pretty sneaky stout, keep changing those ids. And keep up the hate.
'The President' Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi and 'The Tuamanator' Samoan David Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the heavyweight record set by Ali vs Frazier III. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic 'tribal' battle, and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Both warriors stood toe to toe and gave it their all. They showed us exceptional endurance and tremendous heart.
'The President' set an individual CompuStat record by throwing 975 punches and averaging 81 per round while both fighters set a CompuStat record (1,730) in the Heavyweight division.
I envision light-heavyweights Charles/Moore fightin 'The 240lb Tuamanator' and always end up laughing. And "The 245lb President" would have walked through Marciano/Walcott as if they were invisible. Little Rocky never fought one credible 220+lb Heavyweight. What happened to Frazier's famous heart and endurance when he finally came up against the credible 220+lb George Foreman?
Small 185lb stubby-arms Marciano was great for his little cruiserweight era but would not be relevant against modern Heavyweights & Super Heavyweights similar to Ibeabuchi Tua Fury Lewis Bowe Vitali Ruddock Witherspoon Grant Bruno Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Louis Tyson Usyk Holyfield Wladimir Parker Ruiz Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Briggs Morrison Cooney Wilder and so many more.
Never in the history of boxing has a 185 champion beat a Super Heavyweight champion. SIZE MATTERS like it or not.
Little Rocky admitted himself at The Marciano Tapes #1 -- "186 was the best weight i ever fought at, small for a heavyweight."
He just admitted he was small !!!
And taking all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help his arms grow longer or make him taller. Adding an additional 25lbs would not help either. And if you do admit that an additional 25lbs would have helped him,, then you're also admitting that "WEIGHT DOES MATTER"!!!!
see what i did there
Case Closed
(If weight did not matter there would be no weight classes in wrestling kickboxing weightlifting MMA weightlifting or boxing)
When dempsey won the title hekod jess willard who was 6ft 6 and 245lbs dempsey was 6 ft and weighed 184 lbs ,,bobby fitzsimmons weighed 159 lbs when he won the heavyweight title by knocking out jim corbett, fitzsimmons was also the reighning middleweight champion.
See what i did there
Early in Sonny Liston's professional boxing career he had a trilogy of fights with Marty Marshall.
First bout was in Detroit on Sept. 7, 1954. Sonny Liston showed his 'greatness' against Marty Marshall. "While laughing at Marty's unorthodox ring tactics, Liston was caught by a Marshall right hand and suffered a broken jaw on both sides but still went the distance, losing on an eighth-round split decision." -- AP
Several months later Sonny said, "never felt so much pain in my life." So Liston proved he was 'great' championship material by taking the pain and finishing the fight just like Ali did vs Norton when he got his jaw snapped.
Liston met Marshall again seven months later, on April 21, 1955, and won by a sixth-round TKO after flooring Marshall four times.
Third bout was in Pittsburgh March 6, 1956. "Sonny Liston, 203, won an easy decision over Marty Marshall, 179. Both judges and referee scored the bout the same-the first round even and the next nine for Liston. Marshall spent most of his time retreating." - Associated Press
Liston learned from his ignant mistake and proceeded to steamroll everyone for the next 9 years from 55 to 64. Sonny sure wasn't laughing anymore when he SMASHED Patterson in his two one-round demolitions to become and remain Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion of the World.
"CHARLES 'SONNY' LISTON WAS THE MOST FEARED FIGHTER IN BOXING HISTORY" -- written by The RING
So what am i trying to say or what's my point? -- Many Rocky fans are forced to use Marty as their only defense to protect him.. "WELL IF LITTLE MARTY COULD BREAK LISTON' JAW, SO COULD ROCKY."
Marciano fans have absolutely no defense against Rocky's small cruiserweight size or his dwarfism arms. Nor can they defend against the fact that Walcott & Moore were 40 years old & Joe Louis was completely ring-worn and washed.. Hence Marty Marshall, the fantasy rocky protector.
Liston went distance? An eighth round decision, what it was an eight round fight or he went to the eighth round before the fight was stopped.
MARTY MARSHALL- Thats your evidence against
ROCKY MARCIANO.....
Liston was a front runner. The second he faced adversity he folded. In his biggest moment on the GRANDEST STAGE vs Ali he was reduced to nothing. He was a little lumped up and he quit on his stool. Look at the pictures and you can see him crying. GREATNESS is shown with how you prefer under the bright lights and when challenged. Liston was a classic bully front runner who caved in once challenged. Ali was a young light hitting kid when he beat supposedly mean Sonny. LEOTIS MARTIN FLATTENED Liston. It's on film for all to see. Other than glass jaw Patterson who did Sonny beat.
Greatness? Against Marty Marshall? Are you kidding me?
It was common-place to have 15 to 20-year boxing careers with 70 fights like Louis and Walcott had. Charles had 121 and Moore had 219. Yet Marciano only had a measly 7-year career with 49 fights. Rocky's era was in the doldrums as he was never tested against any prime top-notch 200+lb quality Heavyweights. All Rocky's fans ever go on about is 49-0 49-0 49-0. They also have a favorite saying, "You can only beat what is put in front of you." -- Well no offence to his opponents but he didn't beat much.
And why would he care to fight, what you call, a topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweight? The years Rocky fought,
1947-1955 it was commonplace for Light Heavyweights to beat the topnotch prime 200 + lb HW's During Rockys era. defeating. who you like to call cruiserweights. Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice each. was
considered a much more impressive feat
Thank you for that bit of wisdom. According to you Rocky fought half as much and half as long as all these other guys. And yet he is still considered an ALL TIME GREAT. That shows how truly extraordinary Rocky was. Thanks Freak Boy
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
They were reigning world champs when Marciano beat them. They were not old. They were at their peaks, world champs when the less experienced, but better shape, better boxer Marciano beat them. There was no time in their careers that they could've out fought or out lasted Marciano. He was the consummate fighter of all time. Never beaten, never out boxed or out lasted. 49 - 0
Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century. Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms in the years after World War II. Marciano moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters.
What I knew about Marciano before I read the book Unbeaten was that he retired undefeated cruiserweight champion. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked up in jail for 2 years. I did not know of the mob's influence in his career. Nor did I realize that his list of opponents while he was champion were of dubious quality similar to ring-worn-n-washed no longer prime Louis, Charles, Moore, and Walcott. Yet Marciano abruptly up-n-quit during his prime right before he would have had to fight the likes of Patterson, Liston, and Clay to name just a few.
For the last decade of his life he wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife thousands of times, and consorting with the mobsters. He hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys." Marciano was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money, leaving his family penniless. He's not a very sympathetic figure. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents. Marciano died relatively young in a plane crash due to his greedy selfishness.
If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop little white Rocky then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?
Even if Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.
@@blackDavidFrost-n-DesMoinesSonny Liston was dropped by 181 lb journeyman Marty Marshall. Cassius Clay was dropped by 185 lb Henry Cooper. Ken Norton was knocked out by 188 lb. Jose Luis Garcia. Do you have a point?
@@Corina_June_Cunningham No, you just keep getting spanked over and over and over again. You are just too dum to know it
@black David Frost If you think your hyperbole is convincing anyone, you are mistaken. You lie, twist facts and tell distorted half-truths. You get buried every time you try to engage me or Bobby and usually delete the trash you puked up. You're in fantasy land David and Bobby and I enjoy watching you get humiliated.
How much rhetoric and how many exaggerations on Marciano. It's not very difficult to remain unbeaten for only 3 years. How many boxers remained unbeaten for a longer period? Many, among many others. Ali and Louis, two giants compared to Marciano, remained at the top respectively for 14 and 12 years, an eternity. The first even had to stand still for 3 years, an eternity for a boxer. Marciano had the prudence to quit early. Just after 3 years. So he avoided being severely punished by a younger and stronger boxer as has always happened in the history of boxing.
I have defended Rocky Marciano's name for an entire decade, and he will always be my favorite, bar none. He fought everyone during his time and ducked no one. But the several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were light heavyweights that moved up for the money because the heavy division was void of any quality authentic 200+ lb 'Heavyweights'
Marciano started late in professional boxing and was shorter and weighed much less than his opponents. His rivals were great fighters.
So why did Patterson wait until after Marciano retired to move up to the HW ranks?
Hey Bobby D wannabe. You talk like guys only moved up to the HW division during Rocky's era. Here is a tip for you, Guys have been moving up the last 100 years. It happens all the time. Ever hear of Gene Tunney or James Braddock?
@@bobbyd1776 Lets not forget Michael Spinks and Bob Foster before him
@@johnreidy2804 Good point. Or Ezzard Charles or Billy Conn or Jimmy Braddock either?
What a shame little Rocky had such tiny flyweight arm reach. 185 is barely cruiserweight. Never in the history of boxing has a 185lb man beat a Super Heavyweight Champion. The little 50s are gone people. Stop trying to turn little Rocky into a Marvel fantasy superhero.
Dempsey only weighed 184 when he lnocked out 6FOOT 6 IN. 245 LB JESS WILLARD. Bob fitzsimmons weighed 159 lbs when he knocked out jim corbett. For the heaveyweight champinship, by the way fitzsimmons was the reighning middleweight champion of the world. get ur facts staight before u run your mouth
Bert Sugar and Jimmy Cannon were sports journalist inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for their vast amounts of boxing knowledge. @1:00:00 during 'The Hardest Man Ever: Rocky Marciano Documentary', Bert Sugar said, "It wasn't a great heavyweight division at this time." Then Bert quotes Jimmy Cannon who said, "Because of the mobs influence at the time, Rocky Marciano stands out like a rose in a Garbage Dump."
Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible," and he just said, "Rocky's era was not great." I trust his opinion more than crooked-scammer Don Turner. Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association.
Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.
Rocky fans love to use quote after quote after endless quotes to defend their little hero but totally ignore any and all negative quotes. Just sweep em under the carpet. Typical double standard. Same applies with mob influence which controlled every single facet of the 1950's boxing era.
Bert Sugar and Jimmy Cannon were sports journalist inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for their vast amounts of boxing knowledge. @1:00:00 during 'The Hardest Man Ever: Rocky Marciano Documentary', Bert Sugar said, "It wasn't a great heavyweight division at this time." Then Bert quotes Jimmy Cannon who said, "Because of the mobs influence at the time, Rocky Marciano stands out like a rose in a Garbage Dump."
Earnie Shavers Puncher of The Century is known for being the hardest puncher in heavyweight boxing history. He scored 68 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. He holds a 76.4% overall knockout ratio.
=@@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727 You just can't stop with the lies can you. Your lies are never ending. Lets look at your lies here.
1. Boxrec does not List Charles as a LH. He is listed as a Heavyweight, and rightly so.
2. And Walcott was not 40+. He was 38 when he 1st fought Rocky
3. Joe Louis He was far from his prime but he was not washed. You love to quote Bert Sugar when it fits your agenda. Well, according to Sugar, Rocky fought a quality old Joe Louis
Even if Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.
If 175 lb Michael Spinks could become HW champ. why couldn't Rocky do the same?
And I am still waiting to hear from you when Moore was in his prime? Tik Tk Tik Tok. What year or years was that? Tik Tok Tik Tok
Wow you read in a book that since Marciano trained hard that means he couldn't lose right? Marciano had a strong desire to win? So i guess Frazier wanted Foreman to kick his butt right? Because Frazier had no desire to win....they all wanted to lose. Only Marciano had a desire to win right?
Well, they all had a desire to win but Marciano's was stronger tha most. In Bert Sugar and Teddy Atlas book titled The Ultimate Book of Boxing Lists their is a category fighters with the Most Heart. Rocky Marciano checks in at #6.
Don't think I've ever seen Rocky fight before. This was cool
The black and white poor footage don't do justice.
I just watched a high quality jack Dempsey fight last week and it wasn't even the same fight I had seen before.
@@dylonmc4323 I agree totally. It's such a shame Rocky was barely a cruiserweight though. He was too Small.
How many losses did the Best Heavyweight Champions of all time have: Ali 5,, Foreman 5,, Holmes 6,, Lewis 2,, Louis 3,, Tyson 6,, Frazier 4,, Holyfield 10,, Vitali 2,, Wladimir 5,, Liston 4,, Bowe 1,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6.
SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES -- Lennox Lewis
Lord Burlap, Look at the difference in size, Look at the size and power of the people Lewis beat up, Lewis would have Marciano out of there in round 1, how can a little guy easy to hit even try to compete, this discussion is just ridiculous!
So what are you saying here? Should we start rating the best Heavyweight Champions of all time by the Number of losses they have? That sounds pretty ridiculous to me
Walcott, Charles and Louis fought 20+ years and Moore fought 30+ years. Meantime Rocky only fought 8 years then simply disappeared during his Prime. What more proof does one need to understand that these 4 ATG's were already ring-worn and washed before facing Marciano. Rocky was scared to come out of retirement to fight Liston.
Liston wasn't champ until 62. Rocky was 39 at the time. For him to come out of retirement at this time would be ridiculous. A better question is why didn't Liston accomplish anything worthwhile while Rocky was champ?
Your anger and hate of Marciano is so obvious. You are pi$$ed that Marciano is the only HW to retire undefeated. You really wish he would have been like Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. Two guys who stayed around way too long and were embarrassed and humiliated by a younger fighter. Rocky was too smart for that
If 41 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop Marciano then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him.
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
John Durant, author of The Heavyweight Champions, wrote in 1971 (p. 123): "Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney and Louis. He never faced top fighters like they did. It was not Rocky's fault, of course, that there was a lack of talent when he was boxing."
👑 Marciano never fought anyone as big as King Fury. Little Rocky struggled with natural light heavyweights Charles & Moore who were slick movers with solid defense, much like giant Fury.
Gypsy King Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins,, anyway he chooses.
Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Never in the history of heavyweight boxing has a 185 lb boxer beat an elite Super Heavyweight.
Transfer King 👑 Fury back to Rocky's little era and 'The King' would have went 149 wins 0 losses with 100% KO's. Seriously though, if little Rocky fought Fury he would need the use of a stepladder or Fury could fight on his knees.
ALL HAIL THE GOAT KING FURY
Y'all Rocky fan-atics write a lotta interesting stats about Rocky's light heavyweight opponents but ya never address the actual issue of bodyweight so yer “research” gets ya nowhere! U have tu beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate heavyweight champion. Are you seriously suggesting Charles & Moore were anywhere near their natural fighting weight and/or prime?
Lets see what experts have to say about Rocky
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." Muhammed Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
"The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." -Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." -Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa. - Muhammed Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." -Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." -George Foreman
That sure sounds like respect to me Black DAvid
For pro fighters, even a relatively small difference in weight can lead to a huge advantage. Weight classes eliminate this kind of disparity, ensuring that skill remains the most important factor in determining the victor. With fewer weight classes, a smaller boxer would have poor odds of ever becoming a champion, no matter their skill.
Furthermore, weight classes are designed with boxers’ safety in mind. In a mismatched fight, the smaller opponent stands a much greater risk of suffering a serious injury. Simply put, boxing is dangerous enough already without pitting smaller fighters against physically larger opponents.
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Why Are There So Many Boxing Weight Classes?
by Rick Thomas | Published on April 14, 2020
Oct 21, 2021 - Just saw Gypsy King Fury with his family on the beach singing songs with his fans. This man is the real people's champion, long live the King! In Fury we literally have a real life Rocky, not that fraudulent little Marciano who abandoned his own family to sleep with thousands then left them penniless.
@@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727 Black David: Why are you commenting on your own posts? That is not normal behavior. The 1st word that comes to mind is psychotic
Why are you copying my account? What are you getting out of this?
Granted Marciano and Charles were tuff during their time but that was 70yrs ago when heavyweights were not much bigger than light heavyweights. Little Charles weighed 181 and little Rocky weighed 184 when they won their heavyweight titles, and anyone who thinks they could compete against today's 250 lb Super Heavyweights is Moronic
100%
Michael Spinks put on 25 lbs of muscle in just over 3 months in preparatin for his HW title fight with Larry Holmes. Why wouldn't Charles Or Marciano be able to do the same today?
@@bobbyd1776 Michael Spinks was much bigger naturally and so able to put on more muscle and therefore weight than 2 much smaller guys are able to, Marciano and Charles were just too small to compete with any top boxer certainly from the 70s onwards and trying to justify otherwise is just silly
@@pr-tj5by Spinks was slightly taller than Marciano and Charles. He definitely was NOT bigger than Marciano. Or he wasn't until he was 29 years of age and began working with strength and conditioning coach Mackie Shilstone
29 year old fully grown Michael Spinks was a LH who only weighed 175 lbs. A 29 year old Marciano was 10 lbs bigger.
@@bobbyd1776 Spinks fought at 96kg Marciano fought at 85kg, he was a comfortably bigger guy, forget the 70s, how does he beat Ali who was taller heavier and faster, he ruled arguably the weakest era of heavyweight boxing
as hard as U may be trying Black David Frost -(aka Studentofsweetscience) it ain't detracting from other comments! Yer copied comments are only adding more fuel to the denigrating of Rocky! Sadly U ain't got any other leverage so -CHECKMATE
You white Marciano lovers 💕 adore little Rocky's high-work-rate, but 6'2" 237 lb Ike "The President" Ibeabuchi threw a record breaking 975 punches vs David Tua in their 12 round fight, more than tiny penguin🐧arms was capable of. Authentic Heavyweight Ibeabuchi would've manhandled small Rocco and smashed him like a 🍇 grape.
👑Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses!
Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Never in the history of heavyweight boxing has a 185 lb boxer beat an elite Super Heavyweight. Transport Fury back to that 1950s little cruiser era and 'The King' woulda went 149 wins 0 losses 100% KO's!
Folks tryin to say Marciano would weigh 220 lbs today is laughable. All the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help his extraordinarily short dwarfism arms grow longer.
He really did throw everything at his opponent, like the man never quit swingin
It's a shame he never fought one great prime Heavyweight
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez spoken like a true clown
@@yentamoon1808 actually in all honesty mate, rocky never did beat one 200+ pounds, prime, world class, genuine heavyweight, rocky was a credit to the sport inside and outside of the ring but his era was a very poor post war drained one where old blown up boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost.
@@jabbingjack3457 Why would Rocky care to fight, what you call, a topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweight? The years Rocky fought, 1947-1955. it was commonplace for Light Heavyweights to beat the topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweights. During Rocky's era, defeating. who you like to call cruiserweights. Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice each. was considered a much more impressive feat
@@jabbingjack3457 why are you defending this dude, he goes under every video a out rocky marciano and posts hundreds, I shit you not, HUNDEREDS of the same comments over multiple accounts to try and discredit rocky
At the end of Metch was Beautyfull the hung of Two italians boxer Marciano and La Starza...Rochy was great man in the ring and out of the ring...Italy never forget you,Immortal Rochy💚🤍❤️
The entire 1950s so called 'Heavyweight' division is a joke by today's HW standards. Both Charles & Moore attained their ATG status as light heavyweights not 'Heavyweights'. BoxRec has them listed -- division: light heavyweight ..His other two ATG opponents were 40+ year old cruiserweight Walcott and completely ring-worn and washed Joe Louis.
Look at Black David Frost here as he has been clowned once again. So what does he do? He is back to his old tricks and trying to steal another guys name again. Pretty pathetic Black David Frost
As if anyone is going to take a fake named typist Willy Wanker serious .Walcott fought the best fight of his life in a loosing effort…Walcott was peaking at that time. All you’re doing is repeating the talking point of the ROCKY MARCIANO haters. Ali didn’t come close to being UNDEFEATED and Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Joe Louis all rank ROCKY MARCIANO up at the top.
Rocky. Marciano is the greatest. Of all time.
no chance mate
Didn't small 182 lb Patterson KO the ATG Archie Moore in only 5 rounds when it took unproven Marciano 9 rounds?
"I felt Floyd Patterson is a vastly improved fighter. He has potentialities of being a great fighter when he gets some experience. I felt confident I could beat him, but I also learned that youth can be too much." - Archie Moore
Rocky fans are screaming, "HOW WAS ROCKY UNPROVEN". Well Charles & Moore received their ATG status at light heavyweight not heavyweight. ATG Walcott was old man at 43, and ATG Louis was ring-worn and washed.. Marciano was Unproven!!!
Didn't Floyd lose to Joey Maxim? The same guy Archie beat 3 times.
@@bobbyd1776 Maxim didn't KNOCK OUT Patterson!!!
Patterson "EASILY" KNOCKED OUT Moore!!!
@@bobbyd1478 Did I say Maxim knocked out Patterson? No I did not. Maxim did beat Patterson though, just like I said. And Archie, he beat Maxim not once, not twice, but 3 times. Just like I said
If anyone was a quitter it was little Rocky. He up-n-cowardly-quit after a measly 8 years during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Lowlife Rocky also quit on his own kid's and wife!
Yes Rocky only fought 8 years and still ESPN ranks him the 14th GREATEST fighter of all time. Pretty amazing isn't it?
Rocky join military Ali draft dogger
I just read an article last night about the mafioso having total control over Marciano's career. Marciano's opponents were very, very carefully handpicked. If you studied his opponents individually instead of constantly having diarrhea of the mouth you'd understand. All the boxing experts and boxing historians that actually saw him fight never had him ranked higher than 7th all through the 1960s. How does little Marciano with his horrendous resume go from 7th place in 1971 to 3rd place in 2023?
Have you tried reading a book on remedial mathematics? That way you could figure out the winning percentage of a man who wins 49 out of 70 rights
AWESOME VIDEO! Funny thing! - Rocky was almost always outweighed in his fights and always outreached, yet he managed to beat his opponents to bloody pulp, practically everytime! The almost maniacal dedication to fitness, the "GIVE IT ALL-attitude", the sheer stamina made out of this almost humble guy a CHAMPION OF POWER. He could do 25 rounds and still throw in "lefts and rights" like a maniac and still go on, when even the best of his opponents were reduced to breathe trough the earlobes. The guy was fantastic! Big thanks for uploading this! ;)
Big thanks also :-)
Well put.....thank you and you are right!
I couldn't have put it better myself : ROCKY MARCIANO THE BEST THERE WAS , THE BEST THERE IS , THE BEST THERE EVER WILL be 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
@@mikeyates7931 Rocky fought the weakest, oldest challengers in boxing history, over the hill washed up fighters there has ever been and only defended his title a palsy six times. Not too impressive at all
@@aarondigby9859 How many new names do you have now Black David?
The secret was in his legs.
More developed than any of them.
Leverage from the ground, that's where the power is... The bigger they were the harder they fell.
People who slate the rock have no clue about boxing if they spent as much time learning about the rock as they did slating him they would agree the rock was the best heavyweight ever.
To date.........he is the best ever!
@@gregakinson2800 Blocky the Cock Crusher only defended his title six times, give me a break, what a farce.
How can you be the greatest when you only defended your title six times. Hell, Larry Holmes defended his title 22 consecutive times and held it seven and a half years.
@@aarondigby9859 joe louis held it for 12 years and about 26 fights. Marciano was great in his time, but i dont rate him higher than louis, ali or even holmes
Fights was fixed
Imagine a fighter that hits as hard as forman has a chin like granite and stamina like an old diesel motor. He'd be unstoppable and he was.
The guys Rocky fought were fat, slow outta shape win bags way past their prime. Louis, Moore and Walcott were very old men and all those fights were rigged by the mob. He fought the weakest contenders in boxing history, I can't name but four fighters: Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis and the last three were so far past their prime that it didn't make sense.
@@aarondigby9859 mate you know nothing, Louis was on a 7 fight win streak, ezzard Charles was an awesome fighter, Moore and JJW were old but did you know Ali and tyson fought more older men than the rock, you know nothing, vingo rex layne, la starza, he sparred 70 one min rounds with Ali for the computer fight, Ali complained about wealps on his arms and body and the rock was 44, Ali slated every HW in history never the rock, he even said the rock would be his hardest fight, he said the rock was better than frazier, he also said he did not know if he could beat him, and no the rock was not protected he didn't need to be
@@rockyfish3115 all I know Rocky only defended his title a palsy six times, held the belt for two skimpy years and he abruptly retired. Hell, Larry Holmes defended his title successfully twenty straight times and held the belt for seven and a half years, yes Rocky had an illustrious but short career. He was a tough cat, but by all standards nothing to scream about, most of the real fighters were off in Europe and Korea fighting overseas even Joe Louis took a war deferment, and came back three years later without any warm-up fights as I can recall.
@@rockyfish3115 Joe did have some warm up fights, I was wrong about that. I'mma stop busting Rocky's balls. My bad. Rocky did beat those old cagey veterans.
@@aarondigby9859 mate JJW supposedly fought his best fight until he got caught in the 13th, only JJW, Moore, and Louis where what you would call old, funny how the rock beats them there all called old men, yet when AJ beats klitcko etc there great, Louis addmited later on he didn't know if he could of beat him on his prime
Unproven Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with the much younger faster Floyd Patterson. Only 13 months after Rocky KO'd the ATG aged like a fine wine Archie Moore in 9 rounds,, Floyd KO'd Archie in only 5 rounds! Then Monster Liston with his giant fists and albatross wing span SMASHED Patterson like a bug, Twice. Rocky had to quit.
And still, the only HW to retire undefeated, Rocky Marciano. Deal with it Black David McFrost
@40:22 Charles'didn't even get a standing eight count, that fight was cheated and rigged for Marciano and the gambling and racketeering mob fixers, why Marciano didn't fight Charles a third time, like a trilogy, because boxing then was fixed.
@@bobbyd1776 the mob and mafia influenced racketeers corrupted boxing so bad that the Senate conducted a hearing to try and clean it up but the mob was so entrenched and once they get their grubby little hands in something there's no way to clean it up.
@@aarondigby9859 Why didn't Marciano fight Charles a 3rd time? Here is why. Charles was beaten up really bad in his fights with Rocky. After his 2nd Marciano fight Charles was finished . This is clearly evidenced by his poor record. Ezzard would continue to fight until 1959 and post a 10-13 record during this time.
You state the mob cheated and rigged fights for Marciano. And where is your evidence of this?
In regards to Charles not getting a standing 8 count, I am not sure about the rules regarding this particular bout but the standing 8 count rule is often waived for championship bouts
I'm a huge Rocky Marciano fan but he was so lucky a young Liston wasn't around during the early 1950s. Rocky will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. To think little penguin 🐧 alligator 🐊 arms Rocky could beat Liston is utterly ridiculous and complete nonsense.
You said that earlier in this thread under your Black David McFrost account. And you are still wrong, Liston was around in the early 50's. He accomplished little, even list to a no account Light Heavyweight who broke his jaw in the process. Liston wasn't even ranked in the HW division until 58, 3 years after Marciano's last fight
You're not a huge ROCKY MARCIANO fan. You're a duchebag punk.
@@bobbyd1776 Liston dominated the heavyweight division from 55 to 64
@@bobbyd5276 I am looking at the Hw rankings for the 50's and Liston is pretty hard to find. Then again, this is just another example that proves you don't know what you are talking about.
@@bobbyd1776 Liston is not even ranked in the top 10 anywhere throughout the 1950s. And that includes 1958 & 1959. But why all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Liston gets ranked #1 for 1960?? Because all the white folks could not keep ignoring him.
Sonny had an-albatross 84″ inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" inch reach. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and of Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s what would happen to Rocky if he met Liston.
A 17″ reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano.
It's no wonder D'Amato didn't want Floyd to go anywhere near him. Patterson was a good, smart boxer with a good range of punches and good movement but Liston was a monster, and it showed when they finally got in the ring together.
Foreman,, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing.
Sonny Liston KO's dwar-fism-arms within seconds of the 1st round.
WRONG! Rocky was a master at closing distance and controling head movement.
His style absolutely smothered his opponents reach and jab. THATS one reason he was so effective.
At the time rocky retired Sonny Liston had already been beaten by 180 lbs journey men fighter who fought Sonny off twice and broke his jaw the first fight. Sonny looked like shit up against tough fighters who hit hard.
Rockys punch power was tested by the US testing company out of the army and he had the same velocity as a 44 MAGNUM!!! Sonny would have been tired and dragging ass getting his head pummeled.
Arcie Moore trained George foreman and he said rocky was the hardest puncher he ever faced
Don turner who trained holyfield to beat Tyson and the Klitschkos said rocky could have beaten them all and he was the hardest puncher he ever seen.
..Joe Louis said rocky could knock out anyone.
THEY ALL SAID THAT. arcie Moore said he hit like a dump truck and you could not hurt him!
. Rocky was fcking tough and in a clip play by play rocky was way more efficient than Joe Frazier at closing distance and he hit harder with both hands.
Ali said rocky was better than Frazier and the rope a dope would not have worked on Rocky.
@@dylonmc4323 Marty Marshall vs Sonny Liston: A Trilogy For Boxing History
First bout was in 1954. "While laughing at Marty's unorthodox ring tactics, Liston was caught by a Marshall right hand and suffered a broken jaw on both sides but still went the distance, losing an 8-round split decision." -- AP
Several months later Sonny said, "never felt so much pain in my life." Liston showed tremendous heart and proved he was championship material by taking the pain and finishing the fight just like Ali did against Norton when he got his jaw snapped.
Second bout Liston won by a sixth-round TKO after flooring Marty Marshall four times.
Third bout "Sonny Liston won an easy decision over Marshall. Both judges and referee scored the bout the same-the first round even and the next nine for Liston. Marty Marshall spent most of his time retreating." - Associated Press
Liston learned from his "laughing" mistake and proceeded to steamroll everyone for the next 9 years from 55 to 64. Sonny sure wasn't "laughing" when he Smashed Patterson in his two one-round demolitions to become HOF Heavyweight Champion of the world.
Why is it so many Rocky fan-atics must always use Marty Marshall over and over again as an example to defend Rocky? "WELL IF 180LB MARTY COULD BREAK LISTON'S JAW SO COULD MY DEARLY BELOVED ROCKY"
Liston bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Louis bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Charles bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Patterson bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Clay/Ali bravely fought 21 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Walcott bravely fought 23 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Moore bravely fought 27 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Big Bear Liston never quit anything. If anyone was a quitter it was little Rocky. He up-n-cowardly-quit after a measly 8 years during his prime at only 31yrs of age while 50 year old grandfather Sonny was still fightin after 17 years. Lowlife Rocky also quit on his own kid's and wife!
@@dylonmc4323 Leotis Martin vs Sonny Liston:
2nd to his last fight 50yr old grandfather Sonny Liston was KOd by Leotis Martin,, or was he really KOd? When ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After Liston was counted out he raised himself up with his own arms, then flopped himself over onto his back.
For 9 years from 55 to 64 Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion 'The Big Bear' Sonny Liston decimated the top 10 ratings. Ingemar Johansson and Henry Cooper declined to fight him. After Sonny lost to Ali he did not lose for another 5 years and Joe Frazier's entire team refused to fight him. 'The Big Bear' was the most ducked fighter of all time!
Liston bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Louis bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Charles bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Patterson bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Clay/Ali bravely fought 21 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Walcott bravely fought 23 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Moore bravely fought 27 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Big Bear Liston never quit anything. If anyone was a quitter it was little Rocky. He up-n-cowardly-quit after a measly 8 years during his prime at only 31yrs of age while 50 year old grandfather Sonny was still fightin after 17 years. Lowlife Rocky also quit on his own kid's and wife!
@@dylonmc4323 Little Rocky did not win all his fights. First LaStarza fight was officially called a draw! That is until the Mafioso stepped in on Rocky's behalf. We do know factually that Ross, Eatman and Louthis took-a-dive for $$$ or had to protect themselves and their families against the folks that protected Rocky.
"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day"--(word for word from BoxRec). That is correct. In less than 24 hours 170 lb light-heavyweight Eddie Ross fought 160 lb middleweight Billy Sparks who had 6 wins 11 losses. Ross himself fought 10 Amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. This so called 'heavyweight' boxing era is beyond despicable!
Eldridge Eatman was 22-20-5 with an abysmal 22% KO's.
Eatman had 12 year B-level 50/50 undercard career.
"Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down after that, though it didn't appear he was hit."
The last 9 fights Eatman had leading up to his fight with Rocky he went 1 win 8 losses. Shamefully disturbing.
Pete Louthis had an abysmal 35% KO's and was 32-13-5 when he fought Rocky for his last big paycheck.
Pete fought Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano.
Pete fought 10 men with 0-0-0 debut records!
For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights! Unbelievable!
The more i study Marciano's opponents and who they fought, the more i realize how pathetic his era actually was. This isn't even professional boxing. It's more reminiscent to the Jack Dempsey days when they simply walked-in and took bouts for room and board. Pugilist negotiated payments to throw matches, while others "took a dive" merely to avoid injury and pick up an easy pay cheque.
I understand throwing matches also happened before Rocky's time and after Rocky's time, even up until today. But the 1950s boxing era was the pinnacle for corruption and totally monopolized. It factually happened and cannot ever be swept under-carpet regardless how much one loves Rocky. The overwhelming majority of Rocky's opponents (85%) is a guide to who's who in Bums. Go look, it's right there in front of your 🐽
@@dylonmc4323 Muhammad Ali said in "The Greatest": "with George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny fought from, he was the best I ever saw.”
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, a tough journeyman who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title, said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up, I asked Sonny, what happened, and he said ‘I hit you."
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
"When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch, his reputation and legacy went down with him. A predominantly white, racist media always feared and hated Liston, and were only too happy to humiliate him after that bout, and forget about him almost entirely after he died." -- author Paul Gallender
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his mother and sisters claimed Sonny's father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow.
Liston was a different breed; what a specimen
Sonny Liston's arms were like tree trunks, and his two 15 inch ham-handed fist were made for destruction. He was able to generate incredible bone breaking teeth shattering leverage with his 84" reach. Nobody goes toe to toe with Sonny, not even Big George. Liston would have KO'd little Rocky in 1 round.
Nobody GAF about liston or foreman, this video is about rocky marciano. Stay on topic Lil boy
The scoring for the bout was 5-4, 4-5, and 5-5, a draw between LaStarza vs Marciano. But LaStarza lost on a very controversial supplemental point system used by New York only at that time ..LUBEK'S THREELOGY, THE SWEET SCIENCE 2: Jan Lubek - 2013 · Biography & Autobiography. "Supplemental points system used by NY from 1920's until 1980's was misused, it was a joke to please boxing's lowlife, aka lowly elements".. What had happened was Roland LaStarza refused to pay Mafioso a % percentage. Al Weill, Rocky's Mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden was already receiving 50% of Marciano's income so he was good to go. Now y'all finally understand the truth about why LaStarza was robbed of his draw. With a record of 48-0-1 little Rocky wouldn't even be ranked top 20. That 49-0 is the only reason Marciano still exist top 10.
Supplemental point system = Mafioso
Concession accepted coward.
Everybody knows those fights from 47-57 were mob rigged and racketeering controlled fights,the mob was deep into, fight gambling, that was some of the families main source of income.
@@aarondigby9859 And the mob rigged a fight so LaStarza would lose? That is ridiculous. LaStarza was a highly touted undefeated HW prospect at the time of his fight with Marciano. He was also an Italian boy born and raised in Brooklyn, the very heart of mob country.
Little Jimmie Finnie. I love that ROCKY MARCIANO takes up so much space in your little brain. ROCKY MARCIANO is your DADDY.
@@louisj.marciano2562 Rocky did not retire 13 people. That's utter nonsense. 3 of those 13 had 0-0-0 debut records. Eatman & Louthis factually took dives. Louis, Walcott, and Savold were long overdue for retirement. Louis had already retired, so how exactly did Rocky retire Joe? It's all Bull••••
As a cruiserweights worth Marciano receives a 8 out of 10 score. But as a Heavyweights worth,, little 5'10" 185 lb Marciano only receives a 2 out of 10 score when compared to proven authentic Super Heavyweights similar to Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Foreman Bruno Ruddock Witherspoon Whyte Parker Joyce Wladimir etc.
@@bobbyd1776 each man to his neutral corners, when the bell rings, come out fighting. Hahaha.
Honestly I don't care about amusing anecdotes, cherry picked quotes and his embellished feats because you can do that with every great fighter. I don't care about broken bones and putting under matched fighters in a coma. (Ray Mancini killed a fighter in the ring, does that elevate his status as a boxer?). Yeah, when you fight small, non mobile fighters who just stand flat footed and traded punches, any hard puncher can inflict damage.
Interesting you don't mention how many think Ted Lowry and LaStarza beat Marciano, but we won't go there. What I care about is how many great boxers in their prime or close to their prime did he beat? The best fighters he beat was a 37 year old Joe Louis (who's best years were in his mid-20's around 1938 and 1939), 38-39 year old Walcott, 41 year old Moore and a past his prime Charles.
You claim Charles wasn't the same fighter after fighting Marciano. Well he wasn't the same after losing twice to Walcott. Charles lost two of his previous four fights before fighting Marciano and Rocky had all kinds of trouble with him.
20:41 that right hand..
thanks bro... the video ist greatest... respect...
Thank you very much also bro, I appreciate it.
Too slow of fighting for it to be actually fun watching. Boxing has simply developed into something much better in the light of more recent fighters. Rocky is an expert at using his arms for up close... it's cool to notice what someone does as the way they skate by❤
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles weighed a 'massive' 181 pounds when he won the 'vacant' (paper champ) 'Heavyweight' championship against Walcott in 1949. Charles had the lowest ever 42.98% KO percentage and weighed a 'huge' 182 pounds when he lost his HW title exactly 2 years later.
The entire 1950s so called 'Heavyweight' division is a joke by today's HW standards. Both Charles & Moore attained their ATG status as light heavyweights, not 'Heavyweights'. BoxRec has them listed -- division: light heavyweight
Walcott was the closest thing to heavyweight as he fluctuated between 158 lbs vs Carl Mays up-to 197 lbs vs Rocky. So he was actually middleweight light heavyweight and cruiserweight by today's standards. Problem was, ring-worn Walcott was 43 when he faced 29 year old prime Marciano.
Lets look at all your errors in this post. To start with you have Walcott being 43 when he faced Rocky. Wrong, he was 38. Who is correct, you or I?
Next you stated his weight fluctuated between 158 and 197 lbs. At least you have the 158 lb part right. However, you conveniently leave out the fact that he was still just a boy of 17 at the time. Now on to your upper end you have Walcott being as much as 197. (You like to keep it below 200 as you seem to have a strange fetish for men who are over the 200 lb mark) I say his upper end was 201 which he weighed when he fought Hein Ten Hoff. Who is right about Walcott's weight Black David or Bobby D?
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It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he Quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko's, Fury, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? Because he's black? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of All-Time since he's 50-0, right?
It is interesting how the people who actually experienced fighting him in real time hold him in such high regard "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." -Roland LaStarza
Regarding the Marciano Walcott fight, in the first fight Walcott
came out like a bat out of hell, swinging away like there was
no tomorrow, in the second fight it looked like Walcott didn't
want anything to do with Marciano, two fights that were
completely different
The second Walcott/Marciano fight was definitely mob controlled, Jersey Joe just fought it for the money.
No fighter was excited to challenge ROCKY MARCIANO a second time and Walcott was no different. Walcott put forth everything he had in the first fight but it wasn't enough and he knew this. ROCKY MARCIANO always figured out an opponent by the latter stages of the fight in a worst case scenario and by the second fight he really had your number, on top of that he stole your heart and desire to fight due to the debilitating results of the brutal beat down he inflicted on you.
@@louisj.marciano2562 Ted Lowry beat tiny Rocky both times. So did LaStarza. Stop exaggerating bull••••
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici If that is true then Rocky would be 46-3 right? Well, I am looking at his record and it says 49-0. Looks like you are lying again
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici we have absolutely no video proof of the Ted Lowry fight, all you have is speculation. Stop spreading lies you chronically-online couch potato
Rocky did not retire 13 people. That's utter nonsense. 3 of those 13 had 0-0-0 debut records. Eatman & Louthis factually took dives. Louis, Walcott, and Savold were long overdue for retirement. Louis had already retired, so how exactly did Rocky retire Joe? It's all Bull••••
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Current world rankings
The Ring & BoxRec
As of February 13, 2022
[C Current The Ring world champion]
Rank Name Record (W-L-D) Title(s)
C United Kingdom Tyson Fury 6' 9" 277 lbs 85" reach KOs 69% 31-0-1 (22 KO) WBC
1 Ukraine Oleksandr Usyk 6' 3.2" 222 lbs 78.2" reach KOs 68% 19-0 (13 KO) IBF,WBA,WBO
2 United Kingdom Anthony Joshua 6' 6" 250 lbs 82" reach KOs 85% 24-2 (22 KO)
3 United States Deontay Wilder 6' 7" 238 lbs 83" reach KOs 91% 42-2-1 (41 KO)
4 United Kingdom Dillian Whyte 6' 4" 260 lbs 78" reach KOs 63% 28-2 (19 KO)
5 New Zealand Joseph Parker 6' 4" 260 lbs 76" reach KOs 66% 30-2 (21 KO)
6 United States/Mexico Andy Ruiz Jr. 6' 2" 270 lbs 74" reach KOs 61% 34-2 (22 KO)
7 Cuba Luis Ortiz 6' 4" 240 lbs 78" reach KOs 76% 33-2-0-2 (28 KO)
8 United Kingdom Joe Joyce 6' 6" 265 lbs 80" reach KOs 92% 13-0 (12 KO)
9 Croatia Filip Hrgovic 6' 6" 245 lbs 82" reach KOs 86% 14-0 (12 KO)
10 Cuba Frank Sanchez 6' 4" 240 lbs 78" reach KOs 62% 20-0-0-1 (13 KO)
55 inches divided by 11 fighters = 5 inches or 6 feet 5 inch average.
2,767 pounds divided by 11 fighters = 252 pounds.
872 inches divided by 11 fighters = 79 inch reach.
Today's Super Heavyweight boxers average size = 6' 5" 252 lbs 79" reach.
Marciano was only 5' 10" 185 lbs with the shortest ever 67" reach. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and increase his weight up to 205 pounds. Still wouldn't help. Just can't see it. Ain't no way Rocky's taking out these modern 6' 5" 250 lb Super Heavyweights with excellent records.
Even with the help of modern nutrition training and roids still wouldn't help little Rocky's penguin T-rex alligator arms grow longer! And he'd still need the use of a stepladder inorder to reach King Fury.
Besides, if ya put an additional 20+ pounds on Marciano he woulda moved slower than molasses. Rocky wasn't born with fast twitch muscle fibers like Mike Tyson. Mike was genetically gifted with fast fibers and came out the gate sprinting like a 220 pound Quarter Horse. While 185 pound Marciano always came out the gate shuffling forward like a turtle.
Prime Tyson KO's prime Marciano 10 out of 10 times.
There hasn't been a white heavyweight champion from America in 66 years. Folks still living in the past talkin about how some white 185 pounder is the greatest Heavyweight of all time. Do you see how funny that is? Marciano wasn't a heavyweight period. I dont care how you try to justify that he was. The fighters Marciano fought were former welterweights, middleweights, and light heavyweights. Can you name any 220+lb black Heavyweights he fought? I know none of you can since he never fought any but some how Marciano is the greatest Heavyweight right? Little Marciano was slow, weak, and unskilled even for a 185 pounder. Marciano a hard puncher? How? He took 8 rounds to knock out 41yr old Archie Moore who was a natural middleweight/light heavyweight. Not to mention at middleweight in Moore's prime he was knocked out by other middleweights in one round. This is 2022 and i thought we would be over stuff like this. Marciano is the most overrated over-hyped cruiserweight boxer in boxing history by far. Rocco Francis Marchegiano was lucky to have fought in a era where his mafioso cousins monopolized boxing and the heavyweights were small. Marchegiano isn't even top 10 cruiserweight let alone heavyweight.
Look at the Bobby D wannabe. Here he is spreading more of his lunacy. It is 2022 and he should be over this by now. And yet he is still here crying over a man who has been dead for over 50 years. Black David, why are you so so very jealous of Rocky?
@@bobbyd1776 First off yer avatar was brown 🟤 and u used a little d. Correct? If I was black does that make me less than you? When u served 20 years in the navy didn't u serve with black men?
@@bobbyd1776 I think we both know who black David Frost is. He's yer buddy studentofsweetscience. This is my avatar and my name and I'm keeping it for at least 10 years. So deal with it boobie.
@@bobbyd5276 My account dates back to 2019. Your account dates to this year. Out of all your accounts, you picked the wrong one to change and try to copy my name. I am the original Bobby D. You are the wannabe.
@@bobbyd1776 Earnie Shavers Puncher of The Century is known for being the hardest puncher in heavyweight boxing history. He scored 68 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. He holds a 76.4% overall knockout ratio.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
thanks bro
Thank you very much also bro
Oct 21, 2021 - Just saw Gypsy King Fury with his family on the beach singing songs with his fans. This man is the real people's champion, long live the King! In Fury we literally have a real life Rocky, not that fraudulent little Marciano who abandoned his own family to sleep with thousands then left them penniless.
Modern training nutrition and roids ain't gonna help little Rocky's T-rex alligator arms grow longer? Besides if ya put an additional 25 pounds on Marciano he woulda moved slower than molasses.
Facts combined with simple basic boxing knowledge suggest wins for Fury Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Louis Tyson Tua Usyk Holyfield Wladimir Bruno Ruddock Witherspoon Parker Ruiz Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Morrison Cooney Grant and Wilder, over little 185 lb stubby-arms Marciano? Never in the history of boxing has a 185 champion beat a Super Heavyweight champion. Size Matters like it or not.
And what Strength and Conditioning coach did you get this information from? Only an idi ot who knows nothing about strength and conditioning would say such a dum thing
@@bobbyd1776 strength and conditioning dont improve height and reach, rocky was a small heavyweight who came in at his best fighting weight , stop clutching at straws its embarrassing! rocky was very very small end of
@@jabjackI see you are still ducking questions. Hmmm why is that?
@@bobbyd1776 I see you are deleting comments
During round 6 Marciano said, "Why Doesn't He Go Down?" "What's Holding Him Up?" "I Can't Understand It, I'm Getting Arm Weary." Marciano hit skinny Charles full power dozens of times and still couldn't finish him. We just witnessed it. That's all the proof anyone needs that he was not a superior 'Power' hitter!
Don't believe ?
that vid is called -- Main Event: Marciano vs Charles
from Majik Man
Rocky's commentary covers rounds 1 4 6 10 15
The ref allowed Rocky to head butt, hit behind the head and many other dirty low down tactics, never seen such lopsided officiating.
@@aarondigby9859 Yup
That's is the most ridiculous nonsense of any HATER. ROCKY takes out Ezzard in the second fight in clutch fashion before Charles was broken down. ROCKY had to get him because his nose was split wide open from a Charles elbow and the fight was going to be stopped due to excessive bleeding. So the next round ROCKY goes to work and gets the KO in spectacular fashion. Ali has ROCKY as an ATG. Joe Louis said his style would have been difficult even in my prime. George Formen ranks him # 2. Frazier said ROCKY MARCIANO was an ATG and on an on but some scrub on You Tube writes garbage over his jealousy and Hatred of the Italian American ROCKY MARCIANO.
The judges and mob influence robbed Charles of this split decision
@@louisj.marciano2562 all those mob influenced fights if the fifties.
Little white 184 lb Marciano had a featherweight arm reach of 67" inches. Imagine penguin🐧arms Rocky trying to fight authentic Super Heavyweights w
For pro fighters, even a relatively small difference in weight can lead to a huge advantage. Weight classes eliminate this kind of disparity, ensuring that skill remains the most important factor in determining the victor. With fewer weight classes, a smaller boxer would have poor odds of ever becoming a champion, no matter their skill.
I know this takes a lot from you and UA-cam isn't paying you, which is a travesty imo, but if you can I would love to see more of these vids from you. Maybe Tito Trinidad or Hopkins, Pernell Sweet Pea Whitaker or even The Hitman. Even lesser known boxers I would watch from ypu..
Thanks bro, I can't promise you when I'll edit a video again, at the moment I don't have that much time.
@@MOHAMEDSBESTOF its all good. I can tell alot of work goes into it
@@Newjerseyblows :-)
He is really no better a fighter than most of these others. He was in better shape than about all of them. He would play against the big punch, defense, defense, defense and just wear his opponents down. In the later rounds he, much fresher, would then take over and box on to victory by KO or score. Look at him at the end of that 15 rounder -- he looks like he could go another 15 and his opponent is about to collapse from exhaustion.
No fighter in history in any weight class would ever outlast Marciano. And of the best punches he took from the greatest champions of the time no one ever put him on the canvas for more than 2 seconds. Think about it. No other fighter in history can claim anywhere near these facts 49 and 0. Never down for more than 2 seconds. 43 KOs. Who can even come close? Rocky Marciano G.O.A.T. Show me some better stats, and who hasn't been knocked out cold, or beaten? Only the Rock.
@@uversa7 sorry mate but rocky boxed in a poor ,drained , post war era where blown up boxers from yester year ruled the roost, in fact rocky never beat one 200+ pounds, prime, world class , genuine heavy weight and struggled hard with some of the old opposition he did beat, facts combined with simple basic boxing knowledge suggest rocky gets beaten by many boxers from other eras.
@@jabjack Why would Rocky care to fight, what you call, a topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweight? The years Rocky fought, 1947-1955. it was commonplace for Light Heavyweights to beat the topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweights. During Rocky's era, defeating. who you like to call cruiserweights. Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice each. was considered a much more impressive feat
@@bobbyd1776 correct the heavyweight division was ruled by small old past prime boxers from yesteryear wasnt it???
@@jabjackWhy would Rocky care to fight, what you call, a topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweight? He fought guys who were, and listen closely, guys who were better than the topnotch prime 200 lb guys.
The fight looked fixed..Joe just wanted his money.
Lastarza was one tough s.o.b.
@32:59 Mrs Ezzard Charles has got to be the prettiest fighter's wife in the world, she is absolutely beautiful.
They robbed Ezzard Charles, why Marciano didn't fight him again, a real trilogy.
So Fury, Lewis, Vitali and Foreman all would have lost if they fought the hyped-up tomato-cans little Rocky fought? Give me a break. Someone like Roland LaStarza would be obliterated in today's Super Heavyweight world.
So Marciano threw 100 punches in a round? Lol give me a break. Number one Marciano only weighed 185. So even if he threw 100 punches in a round what would that prove? Why compare a light heavyweight punch numbers to a true-Heavyweight. Only sik-minded fanboys would even try to compare.
Spoken like a true hater. Few Heavyweights ever born could punch as hard as Marciano
Marciano was named the seventh greatest puncher of all-time by The Ring in 1997.
The Rocky' hater who has several different accounts in which they spew their nonsense...strange you always have 11 likes ..all yours I believe.
You must be so lonely to have so many accounts..trying so hard to gain attention...you should get out more ..meet people..real ones instead of obsessing over a dead fighter ...you told me you have hundreds of accounts in that private message you sent ...now that is pitiful .
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
"I knew I hurt him." Ya think?
Just like God had the Romans build all those roads so Paul could be the greatest Evangelist in history unbeknownst to them he made the Rock unbeatable seemingly all the wrong dimensions according to conventional ideas of how a fighter should be proving with God all things are possible Amen and Amen!😇🧐🎯
Arsenio Hall was right Joe Louis was 72 years old.
Your mother was 12 when she had you.
Little white Rocky could train 1000 years but prime Ali would still crush him. Since Marciano struggled with light heavyweight Charles who was a good boxer, but was smaller weaker and slower than Ali, what makes you think he'd do better against Ali?
Did I miss the knock downs of Marciano by Walcott and Moore before Marciano Knocked them out, aren't they suppose to show ALL knock downs ?
Walcott knocks MARCIANO down with a punch that was sneaky and devastating. The sane exact punch that KO'd Ezzard Charels. Just flattened him. Walcott was a talented strong punching cagey veteran of the ring and he surprised ROCKY with his early first round quickness and aggression. Isn't any fighter supposed to have a good moment against ROCKY MARCIANO. You're taking about legends of the sport but in your haste to discredited MARCIANO you sound ridiculous because it makes you disparage the ATG'S as well by discounting their accomplishments. On the Archie Moore knock down ROCKY misses his overhand right so all of his weight and momentum is coming forward at which time Moore hits him with a perfectly timed shirt right hand over the top. It's apparent that ROCKY with his weight forward may have fell down even if he wasn't hit but again you're taking about one of the true MASTER BOXERS of the sport not to mention his 200 plus KNOCKOUTS that he amassed but supposedly ROCKY MARCIANO going to the canvas by way of Moore is somehow a knock on MARCIANO. Again for this to be true is to claim that MOORE wasn't an ATG which concludes your argument is total nonsense fueled by hate and jealously. Every morning you wake up as well as when you go to sleep rest assured ROCKY MARCIANO'S record is 49-0 with 43 KNOCKOUTS is in tact in the record books and his fights where he destroys all opponents is still on film in full view for all to see. This will be for eternity but your hateful jealous negative posts will amount to nothing because they are nothing just like you.
@@louisj.marciano2562 what a sad pathetic post, facts are facts just get over it! to me me rocky was a great champion in his own era and a credit to the sport inside and out side of the ring, how ever he boxed in a very weak post war era where small boxers from yester year ruled the roost, rocky never beat one 200 + pounds, prime, world class, genuine heavyweight and struggled to beat the boxers he did beat. people see that now and realise he his nowhere near the top of the pile and neither was he as big a puncher as he was credited for facts and basic boxing knowledge back this so stop getting emotional and just except the truth rocky was a great guy in the right place at the right time, end of
@@jabbingjack3457 Walcott weighed 197 and 198 for his fights with Rocky. What is the difference between 198 and 2017 Would Walcott have won the fight if he had a big steak and potato dinner the night before weigh in?
@@jabbingjack3457 Why would Rocky care to fight, what you call, a topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweight? The years Rocky fought, 1947-1955. it was commonplace for Light Heavyweights to beat the topnotch prime 200+lb Heavyweights. During Rocky's era, defeating. who you like to call cruiserweights. Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice each. was considered a much more impressive feat
Cruiserweight Jersey Joe Walcott had 49 wins 20 losses (41% of all his fights were losses). Journeyman-Joe had already been fightin for "22yrs" with 68 fights and an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little Rocky. He definitely was not prime
It's all yours. I'm finished here LOWLIFE
Look at this post of yours in regards to Marciano. You said he definitely was not prime. So if he wasn't in his prime in 1952 when was he in his prime?
I say he was in his prime. My proof, I point to the fact that he was coming off the 2 greatest victories of his career when he faced Rocky in 52. Prove me wrong Black David Frost
@@bobbyd1776 pathetic
Black David you state the following Cruiserweight Jersey Joe Walcott had 49 wins 20 losses (41% of all his fights were losses). Anyone who can do simple math can see a record of 49-20 does NOT equate to losing 41% of his fights. You ever going to get around to correcting your error?
During the deepest era in Light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed "Undefeated" HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished Light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times.
Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times.
Can someone please explain why Charles and Moore ranks higher?
Could it be because they fought little Marciano
which automatically makes them immortal,
even though they lost ""FORTY-EIGHT"" times
and were ""KTFO-FOURTEEN"" times?
All's i know is his "0" holds no clout.
Marciano fan-atic's describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have all these Rocky vids saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable.
Who's ribs, jaws, eye-sockets, collar-bones, did little Rocky break???
WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... "ZERO"!!!! "NOBODY"!!!!
Roland LaStarza (with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels") simply had minor surgery and fought five months later. What's the big deal? When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative tv acting career. Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated.
Roland had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms & elbows. Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems (bone-chips) before I even fought Marciano" (I have the article).
Here's a newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."
So Layne only sustained one (1) broken tooth! Then he fought Charles exactly 3 months later. What's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice etcetera.
"He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- written by a Rocky fanboy 12yrs ago (Misinformation at it's finest).
From all the vids I've seen, and all the thousands of comments I've read, Marciano broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little rocco is god , because when he walked the earth shook.
"Little Rocky was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman."
Don't be so gullible. Little Marciano only fed on former welterweights, middleweights, and light heavyweights. Much bigger sluggers like Liston Foreman Ibeabuchi Tua and Tyson would KO little Rocky in opening seconds of round-1
This clown is posting under
My account name and picture
@@louisj.marciano2562 That ain't your name mister. Even if it was every name and pic on U-Tube is free to the public!!! I used Clint Eastwood and Steve McQueen names for years. If you had read the policies you would have known not to use your actual name. There's millions of Marciano haters what did you expect?
@@louisj.marciano2562 He is black David Frost, and he only impersonates the staunchest of Marciano supporters with which he uses to trash the great champion. He is a very sick and twisted individual.
@@Gone_fishing335 you really are clueless about boxing arent you?
I believe only Joe Frazier in his heyday could have fight Marciano and win. computer game only, unfortunately.
Rocky Marciano was so lucky a young Liston wasn't around during the early 1950s. Rocky will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. To think little penguin 🐧 alligator 🐊 arms Rocky could beat Liston is utterly ridiculous and complete nonsense.
You are well aware that Liston was around during the early 50's so what is your purpose in continually lying this way?
@@bobbyd1776 people then had to fight at least 35-40 times before they even got a crack at the title.
@@aarondigby9859 Really? Here is a list of boxers and # of fights before their title shot and all taken from back then in the 1950's
Pete Rademacher 0 fights, Roy Harris 22 fights, Ingemar Johansson 22 fights, Tom McNeely 22 fights.
Floyd Patterson 31 fights
@@aarondigby9859 Hey Aaron, aka Black David, AKA Bobby D wannabe, AKA fake studentof sweetscience. You said people had to fight at least 35-40 times back then. It sure looks like I proved you wrong. What, no comeback or comment on your part?
I'm busy gotta go. Bye bye gweggy
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Little white Rocky was slow as molasses. They wouldn't stand a chance against modern era Heavyweights. And the Peds have nothing to do with anything. It's the multi mega million dollar purses that's pulling in more authentic Super Heavyweights from the football fields and basketball courts.
Here you go woth another dum post. Lets take a look at the NFL and NBA and their salaries.
The average NBA salary is 9.6 million dollars. The average NFL salary is over 2.7 million dollars.
There are 32 NFL teams with a 53 players roster. That = 1696 millionaires
There are 30 NBA teams with 15 player roster. That = 450 millionaires
1696 + 450 =2,146 millionaires. That is a lot of millionaires.
The Miami Heat alone, have more millionaires than the entire HW division
The less said about 254 lb Humphrey Jackson the better. He only had 7 fights as a pro and had found a way to be KO'd by a guy with 1 fight. So this was little white Rocky's so called authentic Heavyweight opponent he faced? Another Typical Undercard C-Level
ahh givin the white guys some shine eh good on ya Mo!
Rocky non steroids Tyson you steroid free ????
You white Marciano lovers 💕 adore little Rocky's high-work-rate, but 6'2" 237 lb Ike "The President" Ibeabuchi threw a record breaking 975 punches vs David Tua in their 12 round fight, more than tiny penguin🐧arms was capable of. Authentic Heavyweight Ibeabuchi would've manhandled small Rocco and smashed him like a 🍇 grape.
You love those rapists don't you black David
First white guy to fight for the title since 37? Billy Cohn fought for the title in 41 n 46.
Don Turner said, "Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever see." Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born 1939-n-raised in Cincinnati. Don was 15yrs old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!
Turner continues, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles. I chose boxing because when I was growing up, Ezzard was one of the greatest fighters in the world. Evander Holyfield is special. Evander is a throwback to Marciano. The fight I'd love to see is Marciano against Holyfield." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74
Turner was always partial towards Rocky's monk-like training. He never talked about Ali, Foreman, Frazier, etc. only little Marciano. And for some unknown reason he always despised the Klitschko brothers.
Look-up top 20 trainers of all time. Won't see Turner anywhere:
Cus D' Amato
Eddie Futch
Freddie Roach
Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain
Lou Duva
Emanuel Steward
Angelo Dundee
Jack Blackburn
Teddy Atlas
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Ray Arcel
What happened to Don? He lost all credibility when he convinced Evander Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." During the heavyweight championship bout, Holyfield suffered a cut above his left eye which kept re-opening during the match, affecting his vision. The lack of a cutman was determining factor that cost Holyfield the match.
Holyfield gave him the boot, Michael Grant gave him the boot, everyone gave Don the boot. Fighters only worked with him as last resort, and other trainers like Steward disliked him.
Turner is still stuck-in those old-school days when fighters fought 15 times per year. He believes every fighter should do the Rocky monk-like training regimen, and completely abandon their families and personal lives. The 40's and 50's are Gone-Don, and so is little 185-lb Cruiserweight Marciano.
Archie Moore was born December 13, 1913. Light heavy champ Moore moved up in weight to fight Marciano at the age of 41. Imagine if Marciano was 41 and moved up in weight to fight 32 year old Moore. The fallacy that Moore & Walcott peaked at 40+ years old is a misleading unsound argument and scientifically impossible.
You can't fight who isn't there. ROCKY MARCIANO fought all those deserving during his reign which is all a CHAMPION can do.
@@louisj.marciano2562 That may be true. But what a shame everyone he fought were Blown up light heavyweights and Senior citizens. Rocky abandoned his own family to sleep with thousands
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
John Durant, author of The Heavyweight Champions, wrote in 1971 (p. 123): "Critics do not rate Rocky with the great ones, like Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney and Louis. He never faced top fighters like they did. It was not Rocky's fault, of course, that there was a lack of talent when he was boxing."
as hard as U may be trying Black David Frost -(aka Studentofsweetscience) it ain't detracting from other comments! Yer copied comments are only adding more fuel to the denigrating of Rocky! Sadly U ain't got any other leverage so -CHECKMATE
The entire 1950s so called 'Heavyweight' division is a joke by today's HW standards. Both Charles & Moore attained their ATG status as light heavyweights not 'Heavyweights'. BoxRec has them listed -- division: light heavyweight ..His other two ATG opponents were 40+ year old cruiserweight Walcott and completely ring-worn and washed Joe Louis.
Little white Rocky was slow as molasses. They wouldn't stand a chance against modern era Heavyweights. And the Peds have nothing to do with anything. It's the multi mega million dollar purses that's pulling in more authentic Super Heavyweights from the football fields and basketball courts.
What a shame little Rocky had such tiny flyweight arm reach. 185 is barely cruiserweight. Never in the history of boxing has a 185lb man beat a Super Heavyweight Champion. The little 50s are gone people. Stop trying to turn little Rocky into a Marvel fantasy superhero.
Unproven Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with the much younger faster Floyd Patterson. Only 13 months after Rocky KO'd the ATG aged like a fine wine Archie Moore in 9 rounds,, Floyd KO'd Archie in only 5 rounds! Then Monster Liston with his giant fists and albatross wing span SMASHED Patterson like a bug, Twice. Rocky had to quit.
Floyd Patterson wanted absolutely nothing to do with Marciano. That is why he remained a LH until after Rocky retired.
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
That Cus D'Amato, he was one smart guy. He knew Floyd stood no chance against Rocky
The entire 1950s so called 'Heavyweight' division is a joke by today's HW standards. Both Charles & Moore attained their ATG status as light heavyweights not 'Heavyweights'. BoxRec has them listed -- division: light heavyweight ..His other two ATG opponents were 40+ year old cruiserweight Walcott and completely ring-worn and washed Joe Louis.
Why are you using Boxrec as your source? You stated Boxrec was unreliable and not to be trusted. So which is it, is Boxrec reliable or unreliable? I will answer that for you. When they list something you like that fits your narrative, you like them. When they list something you don't like you say they aren't to be trusted
For example, Moore and Charles are LH means Boxrec is good.
When they say Walcott was 38, and not 41 like you claim when he fought Marciano means Boxrec is bad
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Liston bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Louis bravely fought 17 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Charles bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Patterson bravely fought 20 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Clay/Ali bravely fought 21 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Walcott bravely fought 23 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
Moore bravely fought 27 years! Marciano only fought 8 years.
If anyone was a quitter it was little Rocky. He up-n-cowardly-quit after a measly 8 years during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Lowlife Rocky also quit on his own kid's and wife!
@@bobbyd1776 Little Rocky did not win all his fights. First LaStarza fight was officially called a draw! That is until the Mafioso stepped in on Rocky's behalf. We do know factually that Ross, Eatman and Louthis took-a-dive for $$$ or had to protect themselves and their families against the folks that protected Rocky.
"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day"--(word for word from BoxRec). That is correct. In less than 24 hours 170 lb light-heavyweight Eddie Ross fought 160 lb middleweight Billy Sparks who had 6 wins 11 losses. Ross himself fought 10 Amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. This so called 'heavyweight' boxing era is beyond despicable!
Eldridge Eatman was 22-20-5 with an abysmal 22% KO's.
Eatman had 12 year B-level 50/50 undercard career.
"Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down after that, though it didn't appear he was hit."
The last 9 fights Eatman had leading up to his fight with Rocky he went 1 win 8 losses. Shamefully disturbing.
Pete Louthis had an abysmal 35% KO's and was 32-13-5 when he fought Rocky for his last big paycheck.
Pete fought Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano.
Pete fought 10 men with 0-0-0 debut records!
For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights! Unbelievable!
The more i study Marciano's opponents and who they fought, the more i realize how pathetic his era actually was. This isn't even professional boxing. It's more reminiscent to the Jack Dempsey days when they simply walked-in and took bouts for room and board. Pugilist negotiated payments to throw matches, while others "took a dive" merely to avoid injury and pick up an easy pay cheque.
I understand throwing matches also happened before Rocky's time and after Rocky's time, even up until today. But the 1950s boxing era was the pinnacle for corruption and totally monopolized. It factually happened and cannot ever be swept under-carpet regardless how much one loves Rocky. The overwhelming majority of Rocky's opponents (85%) is a guide to who's who in Bums. Go look, it's right there in front of your 🐽
@@Studentofsweetscience The same crap you have cut and pasted many times that has already been debunked. Rocky Marciano 49-0, the ONLY HW champ to retire undefeated.
@@Studentofsweetscience You name all these fighters and say they bravely fought on for X number of years. I don't see it that way. . Rocky got out of the game financially secure and still in good health. Can all the guys you named say the same? I think notI
Walcott, Charles and Louis fought 20+ years and Moore fought 30+ years. Meantime Rocky only fought 8 years then simply disappeared during his Prime. What more proof does one need to understand that these 4 ATG's were already ring-worn and washed before facing Marciano. Rocky was scared to come out of retirement to fight Liston.
Marciano retired in 1956 when Liston was still in prison....you incredible buffoon.
Rocky saw the young Lions coming and realize the mob weren't able to fix anymore fights because the commission was getting wind of these fixed fights and ricky abruptly retired.
@@aarondigby9859 Commenting on your own posts using your other accounts. Noone else agrees with you so you resort to using your other accounts to reply to your lunatic comments. How pathetic is that?
Facts
@@aarondigby9859 Exactly
It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he Quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko's, Fury, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? Because he's black? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of All-Time since he's 50-0, right?
Didn't small 182 lb Patterson KO the ATG Archie Moore in only 5 rounds when it took unproven Marciano 9 rounds?
"I felt Floyd Patterson is a vastly improved fighter. He has potentialities of being a great fighter when he gets some experience. I felt confident I could beat him, but I also learned that youth can be too much." - Archie Moore
Rocky fans are screaming, "HOW WAS ROCKY UNPROVEN". Well Charles & Moore received their ATG status at light heavyweight not heavyweight. ATG Walcott was old man at 43, and ATG Louis was ring-worn and washed.. Marciano was Unproven!!!
Louis beat walcott and top 100 heavyweight Jimmy Bivins on his comeback, not only are you wrong but you are also being petty by disgracing louis's legend and legacy to disrespect rocky
Same hater yet again with surprise surprise 11 likes ..all yours ..you're one sad puppy...u really hate Marciano..that's sad .