This is great. I've recently realised my living-room mix position stinks, invested in a reference mic, made some REW observations and confirmed what my ears were telling me. 2 days ago I started ripping up my spare room to turn it into a more controlled space. Tons of watching videos (thanks Jesco and Graham, Lonely Rocker etc) and now you've done this series at EXACTLY the right time for me. Thanks guys :-)
This is what a lot of audio lovers are looking for, what, why, how, it's all there. Don't know how to thank you enough for this detailed inside from start to finish. NEXT part please..... 😉
I'm redesigning my setup and am taking my acoustics seriously, after watching your channel for a while. Seeing this process will really help me along the way im sure. Eagerly waiting for part 2.
Whoa this is soooooooooooo Dope Love both of these guys I literally have been watching and re-watching each of their videos. These guys are revolutionizing DIY music studios one day I would love to meet each of them.
Not the most exciting 😉 but possibly the most insightful video I've seen on room treatment. 👏 Excellent discussion and a big help for starting a similar process in your own room. Thanks very much!
Nice video, thanks for sharing. I'll just add that 38% of the room length (a rule of thumb coined by Wes Lachot when designing rooms with flush mounted monitors) puts the listening position almost exactly at the null of the 4th harmonic of the length axial. With treatment it's less of an issue as this will be pretty high and easily treatable, but why start there if you can have a better starting point? I find about roughly between 31 & 32% is a better starting point as it is between nulls and peaks of the first four harmonics.
When you were first figuring out where to place the speakers, did you use the room sim feature in REW at all? Would be great to see a video on that from you two.
If you set up a room and later add a sub speaker does it mean you have to do go back to the start and set up again with the sub added OR can you leave your set up as it is and simply find the best place for your sub?
I have just built a cabin 12feet by 8feet by 8feet night once boarded. Installed sound rockwool 50mm all over. 12.5mm plasterboard all over so a rectangle room. This will by my music studio for making music and dj’ing from. I’m wondering what sound acoustic is needed for this size room. What would be the better option to start with boards or corner bass. My speakers will go in each corner of the 8foot wall I assume would be better.
What are the tolerances for moving my head at listening position? Help me understand the difference between 10 cm head movement versus 10 cm repositioning of speakers. Or are they equivalent?
Im trying to find more space for bass trapping - its a very small room and I have a big bump at 50hz. One place I havent put any bass traps is under the speakers/where the speaker stands are. I'm thinking about building some large bass trap squares undearneath the speakers instead of the stands. Any ideas if that is a totally crazy idea? I've not seen anyone do anything similar....
This series is fantastic. Thank you. A hopefully quick question....at 42.30 you swap to showing the frequency response all the way up to 20khz. There is a massive fall off from 15khz onwards. This is something I just observed when taking my first measurements. Is this normal? If so, why - shouldn't things be flat (or at least flatter) all the way to 20k?
Just skipped through. What are the speaker stands here? The look like solving the problem of a too wide desk that forces your stereo triangle somewhat larger than ideal. Looking expensive though
usually if it is a 2way speaker(woofer and tweater) you want it to be vertically positioned.The problem is that you have deviation in frequency response if you are out of 10-15° on the horizontal axis of your speaker.So in simple language a 2way speaker if designed to be placed vertically will offer you a bigger sweet spot (you will also get a better side wall reflections because when they make the speaker they account for everything and for side reflections especially).
Hi guys, I just looked up the amroc page and this is what my room tells me.... can you please advise if it's decent and wehre I need to concentrate my efforts? I'm new at this and figuring out the whole room modes thing isn't easy... As seen in the amroc page, room is 10.9' L x 9.25' W x 8'H. As far as acoustic panels... I am currently building two bass traps for my front walls. Like Graham, I have a window in front of my desk. The bass traps will be on each side of the window. 7' tall by 24" wide on an angle of 12" thick on the side walls and 6" thick on the window side... At the moment I have 7 absorption panels made of Rockwool Rockboard 40 3"x24"x48" and building a 6' x 4' cloud after the bass traps. thanks! amcoustics.com/tools/amroc?l=10.91&w=9.25&h=8&ft=true&r60=0.6
Our two favourite acoustics experts in collaboration? LOVE IT!!! This is fantastic and we can’t wait for part 2!
This is great. I've recently realised my living-room mix position stinks, invested in a reference mic, made some REW observations and confirmed what my ears were telling me. 2 days ago I started ripping up my spare room to turn it into a more controlled space. Tons of watching videos (thanks Jesco and Graham, Lonely Rocker etc) and now you've done this series at EXACTLY the right time for me. Thanks guys :-)
This is what a lot of audio lovers are looking for, what, why, how, it's all there. Don't know how to thank you enough for this detailed inside from start to finish. NEXT part please..... 😉
I'm redesigning my setup and am taking my acoustics seriously, after watching your channel for a while. Seeing this process will really help me along the way im sure. Eagerly waiting for part 2.
This is so freaking awesome. Thanks Jesco & Graham for this!!!
I’m also a proud owner of the ATC25s, amazing speakers! Awesome 3-part video series, keep up the great work!
Whoa this is soooooooooooo Dope Love both of these guys I literally have been watching and re-watching each of their videos. These guys are revolutionizing DIY music studios one day I would love to meet each of them.
Not the most exciting 😉 but possibly the most insightful video I've seen on room treatment. 👏 Excellent discussion and a big help for starting a similar process in your own room. Thanks very much!
love this, again, for the third time
yoo! I knew that this collaboration was just a matter or time and I can already tell it’s gonna be a great video and talk✨
Had no idea what amroc was and this alone was SUPER helpful as I set up my new space
44:22 - is that a Paramore song? :) Love them!
Hopefully the next video will come soon. We are right now working on the exact same topic :)
Love it. Thank you very much
Extremely helpful information. Thank you both for this series!
Your channel is always informative! Keep up the good work.
Nice video, thanks for sharing. I'll just add that 38% of the room length (a rule of thumb coined by Wes Lachot when designing rooms with flush mounted monitors) puts the listening position almost exactly at the null of the 4th harmonic of the length axial. With treatment it's less of an issue as this will be pretty high and easily treatable, but why start there if you can have a better starting point? I find about roughly between 31 & 32% is a better starting point as it is between nulls and peaks of the first four harmonics.
When you were first figuring out where to place the speakers, did you use the room sim feature in REW at all? Would be great to see a video on that from you two.
If you set up a room and later add a sub speaker does it mean you have to do go back to the start and set up again with the sub added OR can you leave your set up as it is and simply find the best place for your sub?
Very interesting and educational, Looking forward to the next videos- Thanks!
Fantastic. Thanks for this series......really informative
Loving the collab videos
My room is very similar so this is great!
Do you have any treatment on the ceiling ?
@@RenegadeSound not yet, I did in my old space. I can already hear that this room needs more treatment and the ceiling is the only space I have left.
@@RobertKgma Thanks Robert , i can pick up on the inconsistency but i'm currently listening on pc speakers.
The new UA-cam app pinch to zoom feature was very interesting on this one! 🤓
I have just built a cabin 12feet by 8feet by 8feet night once boarded. Installed sound rockwool 50mm all over. 12.5mm plasterboard all over so a rectangle room. This will by my music studio for making music and dj’ing from. I’m wondering what sound acoustic is needed for this size room. What would be the better option to start with boards or corner bass. My speakers will go in each corner of the 8foot wall I assume would be better.
Graham, did you add a sub in the end? Where the 7 inch enough bass?
What are the tolerances for moving my head at listening position? Help me understand the difference between 10 cm head movement versus 10 cm repositioning of speakers. Or are they equivalent?
it pretty much depends of the tolerance to deviation on the horizontal and vertical axis that your speakers tweater has
Great analysis thanks
Such a great video. Thanks y’all.
Very good !
Do you think that moving microphone method might be more accurate to judge a place and not a spot, to install the seat or/and the speaker position?
If you have a subwoofer, do you add it when figuring out speaker position or after?
I'm so happy to watching that video, alot of informantion, thanks jesco the big monster haha
Amazing content!
Im trying to find more space for bass trapping - its a very small room and I have a big bump at 50hz. One place I havent put any bass traps is under the speakers/where the speaker stands are. I'm thinking about building some large bass trap squares undearneath the speakers instead of the stands. Any ideas if that is a totally crazy idea? I've not seen anyone do anything similar....
This series is fantastic. Thank you. A hopefully quick question....at 42.30 you swap to showing the frequency response all the way up to 20khz. There is a massive fall off from 15khz onwards. This is something I just observed when taking my first measurements. Is this normal? If so, why - shouldn't things be flat (or at least flatter) all the way to 20k?
Just skipped through. What are the speaker stands here? The look like solving the problem of a too wide desk that forces your stereo triangle somewhat larger than ideal.
Looking expensive though
Its better to put speakers horizontally or not? What are cons and pros
usually if it is a 2way speaker(woofer and tweater) you want it to be vertically positioned.The problem is that you have deviation in frequency response if you are out of 10-15° on the horizontal axis of your speaker.So in simple language a 2way speaker if designed to be placed vertically will offer you a bigger sweet spot (you will also get a better side wall reflections because when they make the speaker they account for everything and for side reflections especially).
Great stuff, but there were too many interruptions during some of the discussions.
Can you please tell the name of those speaker stands? I was looking for something like that where height and angle can be adjusted easily. Thank you!
Sound Anchors - either ADJ1s or ADJ2s
@@andrewpglover thank you!
There isn’t enough information on vocal booths for voice actors. Wish you guys could devote some time to that.
I got a 9x10 room. Am I doomed?
Tangential inquiry here: @musiccityacoustics where did you get that desk? I like the design !
Hi guys, I just looked up the amroc page and this is what my room tells me.... can you please advise if it's decent and wehre I need to concentrate my efforts? I'm new at this and figuring out the whole room modes thing isn't easy... As seen in the amroc page, room is 10.9' L x 9.25' W x 8'H.
As far as acoustic panels... I am currently building two bass traps for my front walls. Like Graham, I have a window in front of my desk. The bass traps will be on each side of the window. 7' tall by 24" wide on an angle of 12" thick on the side walls and 6" thick on the window side... At the moment I have 7 absorption panels made of Rockwool Rockboard 40 3"x24"x48" and building a 6' x 4' cloud after the bass traps.
thanks!
amcoustics.com/tools/amroc?l=10.91&w=9.25&h=8&ft=true&r60=0.6