Dean never said "I don't trust anyone but Benny." He said "If there's one thing I know, it's that Benny has never let me down." There's a big difference, and the problem is that Sam interpreted the wrong way, and a lot of his actions as a result of this were out of jealousy. What Dean actually said is that Benny has never given him a reason to distrust him, so he's gonna give him the benefit of the doubt until he sees irrefutable evidence that Benny has done wrong. And yeah, he hasn't known Benny for a really long time, but the time they have known each other, they've been through a LOT. Think about it, the show shows us the conflicts with the monsters, and that's what we see in each episode, along with the drama that come with those conflicts, but there's a lot of downtime between all of this. But that wasn't the case in purgatory, because it was non stop fighting and bloodshed, like if you cut 90% of the drama out of the show and replaced it with back to back fights with monsters. And Benny could have betrayed Dean at any time during that, but never did. So of course Dean developed a REALLY strong bond with him over that, given that they'd both been through near literal hell together. Heck, they probably saw more conflict in their time together in purgatory than Dean has in the rest of his life put together. Now, sending Sam to Emilia was honestly the one bad move by Dean here, but other than that, I completely side with him in this.
Davion: “As far as Supernatural goes, I’m trying to get back to when there was actual, like, drama and conflict between the brothers.” Well Davion, your wish is gonna be granted.
Agreed they are idiots and their problems can easily be solved by talking it out! Dean should've expressed his feeling that it wasn't Sam having a normal life he had a problem with but the fear of Sam cutting him out of his life like with Stanford. Now yes Sam had every reason and right to go to Stanford and Dean could've reached out, I'm not blaming either of them, but it was the longest time they were apart and Dean is always afraid of losing Sam, whether by dying or leaving. Now Sam never stated that he didn't want to keep in touch but he also never said would, but he isn't a mindreader he doesn't know how Dean feels. If Dean knew this he'd be hostile towards him and maybe more accepting. It might also help if Sam told him the reason he and Amelia broke up, I don't think he ever did. That way Dean would've realized that even though Sam was living a normal life it wasn't perfect and didn't end well. Dean could've also had Benny tag along on a hunt or talk more about him, basically any kind of communication would've solved it .
@@patrickmcguire7896 Wrong Dean didn't do it cause he was scared Sam would cut him out but because Amy was a murderer. Sam has been told repeatedly Dean didn't consider anything more important then Sam. Also Sam was the 1 who left Dean. He was mad at John but he took it on Dean too. Not to mention Sam is so worried over his abusive ex that he abandoned Martin during a hunt near a vamp nest. Why is that dismissed by Sam girls?
They both betrayed and been against each other many times. Benny and Dean relationship should not be only talked about. When Sam met Ruby he had f*ucked over and kept so much away from Dean his BROTHER. They fairly both go tic for tac. See both sides.
Nathan: "Sam's childish" Cameron: "Dean is a genius" Davion: "Dean is a jerk" Talk about a Bizarro reaction! LOL But seriously, good on you guys for always looking at both sides of the story and understanding each character's POV. EDIT: Also, as an older person here, having "designs" on someone is an old saying, so yeah, the customer was asking Benny if he liked the girl.
i died at that part LMAOOO. when cam said that dean is genius, and davion looked at him so weirded out saying that dean is a jerk lol. a peak of comedy, how the tables have turned.
We learn in 1x20 that vampires sleep during the day! They CAN be woken up tho & they don't sleep in coffins But to be fair, we never see them sleeping again in the whole series (I think)
What Dean did, texting Sam so he’d think Amelia is in trouble and leave? That was so messed up. Sam’s lost almost every girl he’s ever loved and for Dean to take that information and use it as ammunition? Nah, that’s all kinds of messed up.
Cameron, Insane Asylums are for the criminally insane. Including killers, if a state/country doesn't have the death penalty for psycho killings those people are not going to be locked up in prison, they are going to the 'nut house'. Martin was also a hunter, which means he was killing a lot of creatures and maybe he couldn't tell where the line was anymore so he checked himself in (I feel like I remember Martin say he checked himself in when we first saw him)
I'm sorry, and I know this is about to sound terrible, but I don't feel bad at all for what happened to Martin. He brought it on himself by going after Benny and his great granddaughter for no reason other than Benny is a vampire. And before anybody compares what Benny did here to what Amy did and try to call Dean a hypocrite for not going after Benny, it's not the same thing. Nobody was threatening to harm or tried to harm Amy and/or her son, she looked for victims and killed them for her son, whereas Benny killed Martin in self-defense, and last time I checked, killing in self-defense isn't wrong. Now what's wrong is Dean sending Sam that 911 pretending to be Amelia. Although I understand why Dean did it, he felt Sam was going to kill Benny, no questions asked, and on top of that, add Martin, with the same mindset as Sam, into the mix, it would've been a mess. So, to avoid that mess, he eliminated Sam from the equation via Amelia distraction. However, Dean doing that had Sam going through mental and emotional turmoil and that's wrong on so many levels. Edit: Also, I don't see a problem with Dean saying to Sam that all his relationships have gone to crap and that Benny has never let him down because he's right. And Sam was hurt by that, but the truth hurts sometimes. On the other hand, Dean was making a general statement. Sam isn't the only one he's had a fractured relationship with. Are we forgetting romantic partners (Cassie and Lisa), friends (Castiel), and other family members (John)? So, yeah, Dean was speaking on his experience.
I find I would care more if I actually liked Amelia. Also despite going through an emotional turmoil and Jess flashbacks Sam still considers getting back together with Amelia despite the fact that would definitely kill her like with Jess! Sam only got a year off cause he wasn’t on Crowley’s radar but now he is and he can’t settle down especially with a woman he broke up with without any supernatural interference, he did because he knew he was never going to be honest with her, not just about hunting but about how he felt.
@@patrickmcguire7896 Jess I didn't really know but since day 1p Amelia was a abusive bitch and I don’t understand why he bothered instead of just t leaving once he found out the dog would be ok.
9:19 Benny hasn't had the _opportunity_ to let Dean down A.) They've known each other _less than a year_ B.) They've only known each other in Purgatory, where they had a sort of symbiotic alliance (Benny helps Dean find Cas & Dean helps Benny escape purgatory) C.) Dean has seen Benny like TWICE since they returned to earth
Nah Cam is right Sam was planing on check on Benny by himself because to him, Deans judgement was wrong or blinded by their friendship, Martin just happened to Ko Dean, which gave Sam the chance to do what he wanted to do regardless, his brother getting punched or not
there is so much going on in this episode. what dean said about every relationship he had has disappointed him including sam so I don't think he should be that offended. What dean did to sam was a genius and necessary bcoz I guess at some point sam needed to see Ameli so he could get closure because GOD sam was so hung up on amelia and from what I saw from the flashback amelia was his rebound in some way. Sam should have heard dean out because benny and his family were victims here.
Yes! that was the biggest thing against Sam this season, how he treated Benny and him brooding over his relationship with Amelia that no one liked! Even people who defend his decision to have a normal life didn't like her. There was no chemistry and like you said Sam was her rebound and Sam himself was only with her not because he loved her but loved what she represented, a normal life.
It may have sounded harsh, but he's not wrong. Sam has let him down in some major ways. Sam acts so offended, but it's hard to sympathize when even in this episode we see him going behind Dean's back to spy on Benny, letting Martin sucker punch him and leave him chained up because he doesn't want to believe Dean or trust him enough to work with him. And if that would’ve ended in Benny being killed for something he didn’t do, that would just further prove his point.
It’s not just about letting him down it’s also about making feel bad about himself. How many times did Sam call him a “good soldier boy” and insult him for trusting and obeying John.
dean has done the same things to sam lmao. but after everything, EVERY TIME, they would forgive and go back to each other. because in the END, they were always there.
I try my best to be on the sides of both brothers, but in this case I had a very hard time agreeing with Sam and it was very easy to agree with Dean. I mean Benny didn’t kill anyone and Dean was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, which he was right to do. Sam just wanted to kill Benny because he was a vampire and nothing more which makes Sam a serious hypocrite when you flashback to Amy and it’s out of character when you think back to the vampire nest that fed in cows that sam wanted to spare from season 2.
dean is kind of being a hypocrite about amy since he killed her behind his back and then befriended benny. so sam is doing the same thing here, even though he then realizes that benny is a good guy lmao
yeah but you do see some character development from sam on not caring if they are monsters anymore after amy since he did say dean was in the right for killing her
@@miamorselol yeah the writing is all over the place until the end of season 8. What's funny though Is in season 6 dean was protective of the monster baby saying it didn't choose to be a monster the way he flips is crazy
@@pillowboy7995 BobbyJohn was a baby that hadn't murdered anyone so yeah Dean was going to protect him! Also that shouldn't count against Sam since he was Soulless at the time, and regular Sam would've sided with Dean.
the thing i don't get about these comments or this reaction is everybody saying Sam snaked dean when martin was the one who punched him here and knocked him out martin snaked dean not sam and second of all i also don't get the comments saying Sam didn't stop martin from punching dean and snaking him. is this the twilight zone and am i watching the same episode you people are watching Sam didn't stop martin from punching dean because he didn't expect it or know it was going to happen i mean look at his reaction to the punch Sam clearly said "what did you do that for" or "what the hell martin" so Judging from his reaction here he's clearly shocked and surprised by the punch but you're right and i do agree he could have stopped martin from handcuffing dean though.🔥🔥🔥🔥
He snaked dean by letting martin get away with it after and leaving dean to go with martin. You would just let your brother get punched in the back of the head and knocked out and not do anything about it?
@@JustUs agreed yeah that is kinda messed up him and martin should have investegated more to find out who was actually doing the killings instead just assuming it was Benny. i just was confused about what you guys meant by the word "snaked" when you said snaked i thought you meant the one who punched him or knocked out. P.S. and one more thing i know this doesn't have anything to do with the season or the episode but am i the only one who at first and in the beginning hated the way Sam's "hair" looked at the beginning of season eight. the beginning of the season Jared's hair it was longer and a lot more "girly" then usual it looked better in season seven this isn't a complaint just a gripe or nit pick though.😀😀😀😀.
@@JustUs you're right Sam should have never worked with Martin to begin with. i think Sam he really "underestimated" how mentally unstable this guy is. Dean is right martin is crazy and completely insane.
The fandom is so dumb sometimes. You can like both brothers and having this pissing match at the end of every video debating whether sam's an idiot or deans an idiot is fatiguing, they're both impulsive and reckless, they both have and continue to make STUPID decisions in the moment. That's just how it be, i love both sam and dean. I recognize the character flaws, one's not better than the other. Can we please stop arguing ffs.
What Dean did to Sam was genius but was also cruel. What Sam did with Benny was done out of jealousy. What Martin did was out of line, he is still nuts, but after Dean got Sam out of the picture he should have followed up on Martin. The rest of the season is great.
"Any Hunter worth his salt wont just let a vamp roam around" So he says after vouching for Lenor and her nest. Even got Dean to let them go too. Honestly I love them both sometimes one more than the other, other times vice versa (Don't really have a favorite brother) but Sam was being a hypocrite on this issue and i am confused as to how everyone doesn't see it? Dean is finally doing what Sam has always done, what he has always been trying to get Dean to see and he suddenly doesn't like it? It was actively waiting and wanting Ben to trip up hust to find a ground to stand on that was the main issue for me. It looked more like spite than anything else(the brother thing got to him). That being said, i really have a big problem with Dean not seeing it from Sam's perspective.
Dean did what was necessary It's neither good nor bad Like Sam got upset for a reason For here everything is clear, in this situation there is no one who is wrong, except for Martin
@@JustUs Have you watched her eps? She is emotionally, mentally and verbally abusive. He told her repeatedly he couldn't take the dog. He got her telling him "It’s not like you tried to hit the dog." Making it sound as if he tried to hit the dog on purpose. When he finally agreed she says very snarkily, "Roxanne get my hero his trophy". Then there's " You're a serial I should of known by your wearing military surplus."
I always felt like the main reason Sam hated Benny was he was jealous that Dean could make his own friends while he couldn’t. And that’s not me being harsh that a fact. Castiel, Benny and even Garth are more Dean’s friends than Sam. In fact most of the reoccurring cast has more of a relationship and scenes with Dean than Sam. Like Kevin and Bobby, even though he was important to both the writers gave him more time with Dean. The only exception to this are Sam’s love interests which the writers gave him more of than Dean but yeah Sam doesn’t have his own friends
@@pillowboy7995 Don't forget Sam had friends throughout the series. What about the college friends in Skin or the frat guys and Laurie in Hookman. Later there was Jack too.
@@JohnWinchester3567 Those people aren't reoccurring characters and he hid alot about himself from them. Anyways I was talking about as the showed aired not what happened before it.
Maybe a hot take but I think Sam deserves it lol Even if he didn’t want to support Dean helping Benny, he shouldn’t have actively gone against him. Dean has earned that. In that year Benny was a better brother to Dean.
9:20 I get how that sounds but it’s not like that’s coming from nowhere. I mean remember when Sam trusted Ruby and freed Lucifer or Cas in his New God phase. So that whole “he has never let me down” comes from experiences of being let down by his friends and family. And if anything Sam’s actions in this episode alone doesn’t help his argument
It's not known why Sam left with Martin. Maybe it was to STOP him from killing Benny. Maybe it was too talk Martin in to taking another rout other than going in 🔫 blazing. If he'd stayed behind with Dean, there wouldn't have been anyone to stop Martin. Maybe THAT is why Sam went with him. After all, we saw how Martin reacted when Dean called Sam away. I don't understand why Dean always gets a pass and it's easily assumed that Sam is always wrong and a horrible person. Nobody is perfect.
right! he gets a pass on a lot of the things he does. like i really only see people come for sam because they think he betrays dean on purpose but doesn't remember what dean does as well
So I never understood why Sam had such a problem with Benny but none at all with Castiel. Unlike Benny Sam has reasons for not liking Cas, aside from him letting Sam out while high on demon blood, he was the one getting Dean to doubt him. Plus you know bringing him back soulless and breaking the wall. Sure he fixed it and redeemed himself but Sam never showed signs of hating for it nor did he criticize Dean for his trust in Cas or his "mourning" of him, or just Dean viewing him as a friend. Now yes Cas is an angel not a monster but their both enemies of the brothers so same thing. Yet Sam seems to have an unexplainable desire to view Benny as the bad guy without really knowing him or him doing anything hurtful to Sam at all
@@JohnWinchester3567 Also going off from that Cas is the reason Dean didn’t get out of purgatory sooner, cause he was looking for him, is that ever brought up?
Well, Cas is Sam's friend too (just must closer to Dean) _Everyone_ was manipulated/lied to in s4 (and tortured, in Cas' case) so I think everyone gets a pass Cas tried to rescue Sam from Hell & brought him back soulless by accident (it seems Sam & Dean believe him when he explains that too) Sam has no more reason to dislike Cas than he has reason to dislike Dean + he likes Cas (becuz they're friends) + Cas has helped/saved/risked his life for the Winchesters a hundred times over, which I think makes up for a few mistakes Not at all the same as Benny, a vampire Sam met _once_
We all remember what Dean's reaction was when Sam started the apocalypse , I mean the war between demons and angels and horsemen killed thousands and it all started with killing Lilith, in this episode what Dean did was stupid but after being left alone by Martin and Sam, maybe he even did the right thing, I mean, in the whole series, Sam always talked about how monsters can be good, and Benny didn't do anything wrong, I'm not saying I don't have a problem with what Dean did, These brothers both did crazy things, but it is not right to blame each of them It's like, okay, you left me, you went with Martin, and you want to kill my friend who didn't kill anyone? So I am sending you a fake text message to make you think that the girl you love is in danger so that I can save my innocent friend. ..Sam has done a lot of wrong things and so has Dean. When we look closely, we realize that the story was never about how Sam and Dean wanted to live, it was about the lives they saved or destroyed. And of course both deserve a good life
Look again if Sam hadn't wanted to murder Benny who he didn't even know Dean wouldn't of had to fake the call. It was Also Sam who abandoned his hunting partner around a vampire nest for a abusive ex.
That's my problem with this fandom, they take side thinking one brother is always right/good and the other is always wrong/bad and they always hold onto their mistakes even when the characters themselves have long since forgiven/gotten over them.
Nathan: you're literally defending martin right now. Cameron: i'm not defending martin i'm defending Sam me: okay hold on now wait a minute Cameron didn't earlier in the reaction weren't you the one defending martin though when you "justified" him taking the woman hostage and he threatened to kill her. weren't you the one who said he's not going to do it when he clearly would have. hell even the doctors in the mental institution declared martin as insane and they said the guy was crazy. to be honest here martin shouldn't have been released from the mental institution because the guy he was completely crazy and mentally unstable.😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎.
I don't see that as being disrespectful, I mean tbh Sam hasn't always been reliable nor had Dean's back. He might be his brother but there have been multiple instances where Sam just straight up couldn't be trusted. And yeah Dean killing Amy was pretty bad, but one negative pales in comparison to how often Sam let Dean down. Ruby, the demon blood, I mean there's a laundry list. It's not disrespectful it's just the truth.
I don't care about what people say, I still think it was horrible what Dean said to Sam after all they've been through. Of course Sam made some mistakes but so did Dean, and Sam never said to him anything like that, unless he was posessed or sth. I really started to not like Dean from this season, and all these things he's saying to Sam lead to what happenes at the end of this season
"Sam never said to him anything like that[.]" This is such a false statement. Sam literally in the next season says something so horrible to Dean that he was visibly crushed by it. And Sam wasn't possessed or anything like that. On top of that, Dean was about to d** thinking that's how his brother truly felt.
@@TBFC1985 are you talking about the “i wouldnt do the same for you” ?? cuz if you are i think sam meant he wouldnt trick dean into being possessed to live lolol. not saying it didnt hurt dean tho, bcuz i know it did !
@@miamorselol Spoiler Alert!!!! Yes, I was talking about that along with some other things Sam said. But Sam was not talking about not tricking Dean into getting possessed in order to live; he was talking about not saving Dean if he was dying, especially if Dean was ready to die like he was. It's obvious that's what he was saying because when Metatron stabs Dean and Sam is helping him, Dean says something along the lines of "What happened to you being ok with all of this?" in which Sam responds with "I lied."
This is by far one of the worst seasons of the show, mostly due to the writers fundamentally trying to change what we know of the characters and what they stand for/believe in. You want to root for them, but they both are locked into this silly argument with no real solutions. It was just frustrating to watch, and even the actors hated it lol. Especially Sam’s character this season. That was probably one of the biggest flubs of the whole show. But season 9 is absolutely stellar & has a far more interesting plot. The show really picks up again after this season and really starts to go uphill. And without spoilers obvi, despite the season not being the best, the season finale for season 8 is surprisingly one of the coolest in the entire show. Can’t wait for y’all to get there!
Dean never said "I don't trust anyone but Benny." He said "If there's one thing I know, it's that Benny has never let me down." There's a big difference, and the problem is that Sam interpreted the wrong way, and a lot of his actions as a result of this were out of jealousy. What Dean actually said is that Benny has never given him a reason to distrust him, so he's gonna give him the benefit of the doubt until he sees irrefutable evidence that Benny has done wrong. And yeah, he hasn't known Benny for a really long time, but the time they have known each other, they've been through a LOT. Think about it, the show shows us the conflicts with the monsters, and that's what we see in each episode, along with the drama that come with those conflicts, but there's a lot of downtime between all of this. But that wasn't the case in purgatory, because it was non stop fighting and bloodshed, like if you cut 90% of the drama out of the show and replaced it with back to back fights with monsters. And Benny could have betrayed Dean at any time during that, but never did. So of course Dean developed a REALLY strong bond with him over that, given that they'd both been through near literal hell together. Heck, they probably saw more conflict in their time together in purgatory than Dean has in the rest of his life put together. Now, sending Sam to Emilia was honestly the one bad move by Dean here, but other than that, I completely side with him in this.
Dean said that under a spirits control. He was possesses at the time.
Davion: “As far as Supernatural goes, I’m trying to get back to when there was actual, like, drama and conflict between the brothers.”
Well Davion, your wish is gonna be granted.
4:28 Sam is being a hypocrite because he was the one literally advocating for Lenore and her entire nest.
Sam's jealousy towards Benny and Dean's disregard for Sam's life choices have really created a mess. They are both being idiots so far this season.
Yes total jealousy from Sam and Deans disregard towards Sams situation. I hate them fighting but i love the drama 😂
Agreed they are idiots and their problems can easily be solved by talking it out! Dean should've expressed his feeling that it wasn't Sam having a normal life he had a problem with but the fear of Sam cutting him out of his life like with Stanford. Now yes Sam had every reason and right to go to Stanford and Dean could've reached out, I'm not blaming either of them, but it was the longest time they were apart and Dean is always afraid of losing Sam, whether by dying or leaving. Now Sam never stated that he didn't want to keep in touch but he also never said would, but he isn't a mindreader he doesn't know how Dean feels. If Dean knew this he'd be hostile towards him and maybe more accepting. It might also help if Sam told him the reason he and Amelia broke up, I don't think he ever did. That way Dean would've realized that even though Sam was living a normal life it wasn't perfect and didn't end well. Dean could've also had Benny tag along on a hunt or talk more about him, basically any kind of communication would've solved it .
Sam's wrong Dean isn't. Letting Sam know would result in Sam challenging Dean allowing Amy to disappear.
@@patrickmcguire7896 Wrong Dean didn't do it cause he was scared Sam would cut him out but because Amy was a murderer.
Sam has been told repeatedly Dean didn't consider anything more important then Sam. Also Sam was the 1 who left Dean.
He was mad at John but he took it on Dean too. Not to mention Sam is so worried over his abusive ex that he abandoned Martin during a hunt near a vamp nest.
Why is that dismissed by Sam girls?
@@patrickmcguire7896 Dean did Sam said 1 thing then did another.
Sam saying he might go to hell for saying he wanted to stay with Amelia like he hasn’t already been there.
They both betrayed and been against each other many times. Benny and Dean relationship should not be only talked about. When Sam met Ruby he had f*ucked over and kept so much away from Dean his BROTHER. They fairly both go tic for tac. See both sides.
And lied about using his demon powers then snuck out after Dean fell asleep to use them. Cas told him what Sam was up to.
Nathan: "Sam's childish"
Cameron: "Dean is a genius"
Davion: "Dean is a jerk"
Talk about a Bizarro reaction! LOL But seriously, good on you guys for always looking at both sides of the story and understanding each character's POV.
EDIT: Also, as an older person here, having "designs" on someone is an old saying, so yeah, the customer was asking Benny if he liked the girl.
i died at that part LMAOOO. when cam said that dean is genius, and davion looked at him so weirded out saying that dean is a jerk lol. a peak of comedy, how the tables have turned.
that never happens lol
This whole debate is entertainment 😂
“At the end of the day, the day ends” 😂
He was going to kill her. Nathan’s right. Killing Martin saved her.
When Martin punched Dean I thought Sam was gonna knock him out 😂 I was like whaat he didn’t ? haha
We learn in 1x20 that vampires sleep during the day! They CAN be woken up tho & they don't sleep in coffins
But to be fair, we never see them sleeping again in the whole series (I think)
What Dean did, texting Sam so he’d think Amelia is in trouble and leave? That was so messed up. Sam’s lost almost every girl he’s ever loved and for Dean to take that information and use it as ammunition? Nah, that’s all kinds of messed up.
Cameron, Insane Asylums are for the criminally insane. Including killers, if a state/country doesn't have the death penalty for psycho killings those people are not going to be locked up in prison, they are going to the 'nut house'. Martin was also a hunter, which means he was killing a lot of creatures and maybe he couldn't tell where the line was anymore so he checked himself in (I feel like I remember Martin say he checked himself in when we first saw him)
I'm sorry, and I know this is about to sound terrible, but I don't feel bad at all for what happened to Martin. He brought it on himself by going after Benny and his great granddaughter for no reason other than Benny is a vampire. And before anybody compares what Benny did here to what Amy did and try to call Dean a hypocrite for not going after Benny, it's not the same thing. Nobody was threatening to harm or tried to harm Amy and/or her son, she looked for victims and killed them for her son, whereas Benny killed Martin in self-defense, and last time I checked, killing in self-defense isn't wrong.
Now what's wrong is Dean sending Sam that 911 pretending to be Amelia. Although I understand why Dean did it, he felt Sam was going to kill Benny, no questions asked, and on top of that, add Martin, with the same mindset as Sam, into the mix, it would've been a mess. So, to avoid that mess, he eliminated Sam from the equation via Amelia distraction. However, Dean doing that had Sam going through mental and emotional turmoil and that's wrong on so many levels.
Edit: Also, I don't see a problem with Dean saying to Sam that all his relationships have gone to crap and that Benny has never let him down because he's right. And Sam was hurt by that, but the truth hurts sometimes. On the other hand, Dean was making a general statement. Sam isn't the only one he's had a fractured relationship with. Are we forgetting romantic partners (Cassie and Lisa), friends (Castiel), and other family members (John)? So, yeah, Dean was speaking on his experience.
I find I would care more if I actually liked Amelia. Also despite going through an emotional turmoil and Jess flashbacks Sam still considers getting back together with Amelia despite the fact that would definitely kill her like with Jess! Sam only got a year off cause he wasn’t on Crowley’s radar but now he is and he can’t settle down especially with a woman he broke up with without any supernatural interference, he did because he knew he was never going to be honest with her, not just about hunting but about how he felt.
@@patrickmcguire7896 right. plus, sam dropped everything again for dean when he found out he was alive
@@miamorselol Dropped what? He already broke up with Amelia and didn't have any plains for what to do next in his life
We don’t know Benny killed him. Elizabeth could of. She was covered in blood and screamed no as she moved forward and was closer to Martin.
@@patrickmcguire7896 Jess I didn't really know but since day 1p Amelia was a abusive bitch and I don’t understand why he bothered instead of just t leaving once he found out the dog would be ok.
I just realized that benny was in s2e3
9:19 Benny hasn't had the _opportunity_ to let Dean down
A.) They've known each other _less than a year_
B.) They've only known each other in Purgatory, where they had a sort of symbiotic alliance (Benny helps Dean find Cas & Dean helps Benny escape purgatory)
C.) Dean has seen Benny like TWICE since they returned to earth
That’s what I was thinking
Nah Cam is right
Sam was planing on check on Benny by himself because to him, Deans judgement was wrong or blinded by their friendship, Martin just happened to Ko Dean, which gave Sam the chance to do what he wanted to do regardless, his brother getting punched or not
love this ep sm, but the next one is just sooo >>>> I can't wait to watch your reaction
there is so much going on in this episode. what dean said about every relationship he had has disappointed him including sam so I don't think he should be that offended. What dean did to sam was a genius and necessary bcoz I guess at some point sam needed to see Ameli so he could get closure because GOD sam was so hung up on amelia and from what I saw from the flashback amelia was his rebound in some way. Sam should have heard dean out because benny and his family were victims here.
Yes! that was the biggest thing against Sam this season, how he treated Benny and him brooding over his relationship with Amelia that no one liked! Even people who defend his decision to have a normal life didn't like her. There was no chemistry and like you said Sam was her rebound and Sam himself was only with her not because he loved her but loved what she represented, a normal life.
This was a great episode. Both brothers did wrong things but they had to be done. I love your Supernatural reactions! Can't wait for the next one.
Having the time of my life with this final argument, lol
I could have watched that heated discussion at the end for another 30 minutes!!!
It may have sounded harsh, but he's not wrong. Sam has let him down in some major ways. Sam acts so offended, but it's hard to sympathize when even in this episode we see him going behind Dean's back to spy on Benny, letting Martin sucker punch him and leave him chained up because he doesn't want to believe Dean or trust him enough to work with him. And if that would’ve ended in Benny being killed for something he didn’t do, that would just further prove his point.
It’s not just about letting him down it’s also about making feel bad about himself. How many times did Sam call him a “good soldier boy” and insult him for trusting and obeying John.
Dean let sam down too a lot of times
dean has done the same things to sam lmao. but after everything, EVERY TIME, they would forgive and go back to each other. because in the END, they were always there.
@@miamorselol what same things?
@@mariamahmed4795 What do you consider to be a lot?
I try my best to be on the sides of both brothers, but in this case I had a very hard time agreeing with Sam and it was very easy to agree with Dean. I mean Benny didn’t kill anyone and Dean was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, which he was right to do. Sam just wanted to kill Benny because he was a vampire and nothing more which makes Sam a serious hypocrite when you flashback to Amy and it’s out of character when you think back to the vampire nest that fed in cows that sam wanted to spare from season 2.
dean is kind of being a hypocrite about amy since he killed her behind his back and then befriended benny. so sam is doing the same thing here, even though he then realizes that benny is a good guy lmao
@@miamorselol dean can befriend monsters both Sam and dean learned monsters aren't all bad in season 2 this is just bad writing
yeah but you do see some character development from sam on not caring if they are monsters anymore after amy since he did say dean was in the right for killing her
@@miamorselol yeah the writing is all over the place until the end of season 8. What's funny though Is in season 6 dean was protective of the monster baby saying it didn't choose to be a monster the way he flips is crazy
@@pillowboy7995 BobbyJohn was a baby that hadn't murdered anyone so yeah Dean was going to protect him! Also that shouldn't count against Sam since he was Soulless at the time, and regular Sam would've sided with Dean.
i’m still watching your supernatural 5x7 episode
the thing i don't get about these comments or this reaction is everybody saying Sam snaked dean when martin was the one who punched him here and knocked him out martin snaked dean not sam and second of all i also don't get the comments saying Sam didn't stop martin from punching dean and snaking him. is this the twilight zone and am i watching the same episode you people are watching Sam didn't stop martin from punching dean because he didn't expect it or know it was going to happen i mean look at his reaction to the punch Sam clearly said "what did you do that for" or "what the hell martin" so Judging from his reaction here he's clearly shocked and surprised by the punch but you're right and i do agree he could have stopped martin from handcuffing dean though.🔥🔥🔥🔥
He snaked dean by letting martin get away with it after and leaving dean to go with martin. You would just let your brother get punched in the back of the head and knocked out and not do anything about it?
@@JustUs agreed yeah that is kinda messed up him and martin should have investegated more to find out who was actually doing the killings instead just assuming it was Benny. i just was confused about what you guys meant by the word "snaked" when you said snaked i thought you meant the one who punched him or knocked out. P.S. and one more thing i know this doesn't have anything to do with the season or the episode but am i the only one who at first and in the beginning hated the way Sam's "hair" looked at the beginning of season eight. the beginning of the season Jared's hair it was longer and a lot more "girly" then usual it looked better in season seven this isn't a complaint just a gripe or nit pick though.😀😀😀😀.
@@JustUs you're right Sam should have never worked with Martin to begin with. i think Sam he really "underestimated" how mentally unstable this guy is. Dean is right martin is crazy and completely insane.
The fandom is so dumb sometimes.
You can like both brothers and having this pissing match at the end of every video debating whether sam's an idiot or deans an idiot is fatiguing, they're both impulsive and reckless, they both have and continue to make STUPID decisions in the moment.
That's just how it be, i love both sam and dean. I recognize the character flaws, one's not better than the other. Can we please stop arguing ffs.
What Dean did to Sam was genius but was also cruel. What Sam did with Benny was done out of jealousy. What Martin did was out of line, he is still nuts, but after Dean got Sam out of the picture he should have followed up on Martin.
The rest of the season is great.
He didn't know Sam abandoned a partner in the middle of a hunt surrounded by vampires.
martin wasnt surrounded by vampires. there was literally 0 vampires around lol
"Any Hunter worth his salt wont just let a vamp roam around" So he says after vouching for Lenor and her nest. Even got Dean to let them go too.
Honestly I love them both sometimes one more than the other, other times vice versa (Don't really have a favorite brother) but Sam was being a hypocrite on this issue and i am confused as to how everyone doesn't see it? Dean is finally doing what Sam has always done, what he has always been trying to get Dean to see and he suddenly doesn't like it?
It was actively waiting and wanting Ben to trip up hust to find a ground to stand on that was the main issue for me. It looked more like spite than anything else(the brother thing got to him).
That being said, i really have a big problem with Dean not seeing it from Sam's perspective.
Yes that is uncle rico from Napoleon Dynamite
Your next reaction should be Sandman (Netflix), such a great show!
I agree with Nathan on this one
That liquid death
Dean did what was necessary
It's neither good nor bad
Like Sam got upset for a reason
For here everything is clear, in this situation there is no one who is wrong, except for Martin
Sam's not wrong for abandoning a partner near a nest for a abusive ex?!
how is amelia abusive?
@@JustUs maybe it’s amelia’s ex who’s abusive? tbh he was thought to be dead so…💀
@@conchispace she may not be abusive but she sure is unfaithful
@@JustUs Have you watched her eps? She is emotionally, mentally and verbally abusive. He told her repeatedly he couldn't take the dog.
He got her telling him "It’s not like you tried to hit the dog." Making it sound as if he tried to hit the dog on purpose.
When he finally agreed she says very snarkily, "Roxanne get my hero his trophy". Then there's " You're a serial I should of known by your wearing military surplus."
I always felt like the main reason Sam hated Benny was he was jealous that Dean could make his own friends while he couldn’t. And that’s not me being harsh that a fact. Castiel, Benny and even Garth are more Dean’s friends than Sam. In fact most of the reoccurring cast has more of a relationship and scenes with Dean than Sam. Like Kevin and Bobby, even though he was important to both the writers gave him more time with Dean. The only exception to this are Sam’s love interests which the writers gave him more of than Dean but yeah Sam doesn’t have his own friends
Except jack
@@pillowboy7995 and a redhead but what season where each introduced? It took the writers that long to give Sam his own friends outside of Dean
@@pillowboy7995 Don't forget Sam had friends throughout the series. What about the college friends in Skin or the frat guys and Laurie in Hookman.
Later there was Jack too.
@@patrickmcguire7896 Wrong Sam had friends in season 1. Hook man, Skin, Lenore, Andy, Ava, etc.
@@JohnWinchester3567 Those people aren't reoccurring characters and he hid alot about himself from them. Anyways I was talking about as the showed aired not what happened before it.
I cant wait till u reach ep11 and after seriesss... they are bangersss😁a bit of a spoiler for ep 11 "your gonna meet a ginger girl" ♥️♥️♥️
Yes! That is the episode were the show becomes fun again!
Maybe a hot take but I think Sam deserves it lol Even if he didn’t want to support Dean helping Benny, he shouldn’t have actively gone against him. Dean has earned that. In that year Benny was a better brother to Dean.
we need Divek back on supernatural reactions 🔥
Not really
@@Koritrey agreed. it should just be Cameron Nathan and Davion.
9:20 I get how that sounds but it’s not like that’s coming from nowhere. I mean remember when Sam trusted Ruby and freed Lucifer or Cas in his New God phase. So that whole “he has never let me down” comes from experiences of being let down by his friends and family. And if anything Sam’s actions in this episode alone doesn’t help his argument
It's not known why Sam left with Martin. Maybe it was to STOP him from killing Benny. Maybe it was too talk Martin in to taking another rout other than going in 🔫 blazing. If he'd stayed behind with Dean, there wouldn't have been anyone to stop Martin. Maybe THAT is why Sam went with him. After all, we saw how Martin reacted when Dean called Sam away. I don't understand why Dean always gets a pass and it's easily assumed that Sam is always wrong and a horrible person. Nobody is perfect.
right, I also hate how people always see Sam as the bad guy and Dean is always right in their eyes, that's just annoying
right! he gets a pass on a lot of the things he does. like i really only see people come for sam because they think he betrays dean on purpose but doesn't remember what dean does as well
Considering how Sam was behaving no he didn't go to stop Martin. More likely to kill Benny himself with Martin's help.
@@miamorselol Dean never betrayed Sam he wouldn't of needed to use the text if Sam hadn't wanted to murder Benny.
@@JohnWinchester3567 That is still speculation.
for the first time in 8 seasons i agree with nathan, how can anyone defend sam and martin in this episode?
So I never understood why Sam had such a problem with Benny but none at all with Castiel. Unlike Benny Sam has reasons for not liking Cas, aside from him letting Sam out while high on demon blood, he was the one getting Dean to doubt him. Plus you know bringing him back soulless and breaking the wall. Sure he fixed it and redeemed himself but Sam never showed signs of hating for it nor did he criticize Dean for his trust in Cas or his "mourning" of him, or just Dean viewing him as a friend. Now yes Cas is an angel not a monster but their both enemies of the brothers so same thing. Yet Sam seems to have an unexplainable desire to view Benny as the bad guy without really knowing him or him doing anything hurtful to Sam at all
Especially since Benny was why Dean was back.
@@JohnWinchester3567 Also going off from that Cas is the reason Dean didn’t get out of purgatory sooner, cause he was looking for him, is that ever brought up?
The last time a monster got close and pretended to be their friend was ruby. Also he was jealous and guilty.
Well, Cas is Sam's friend too (just must closer to Dean)
_Everyone_ was manipulated/lied to in s4 (and tortured, in Cas' case) so I think everyone gets a pass
Cas tried to rescue Sam from Hell & brought him back soulless by accident (it seems Sam & Dean believe him when he explains that too)
Sam has no more reason to dislike Cas than he has reason to dislike Dean + he likes Cas (becuz they're friends) + Cas has helped/saved/risked his life for the Winchesters a hundred times over, which I think makes up for a few mistakes
Not at all the same as Benny, a vampire Sam met _once_
@@audreyii6750 Don't forget when Cas and Sam first met Sam had faith in God. It allowed them to become close.
We all remember what Dean's reaction was when Sam started the apocalypse , I mean the war between demons and angels and horsemen killed thousands and it all started with killing Lilith, in this episode what Dean did was stupid but after being left alone by Martin and Sam, maybe he even did the right thing, I mean, in the whole series, Sam always talked about how monsters can be good, and Benny didn't do anything wrong, I'm not saying I don't have a problem with what Dean did, These brothers both did crazy things, but it is not right to blame each of them
It's like, okay, you left me, you went with Martin, and you want to kill my friend who didn't kill anyone? So I am sending you a fake text message to make you think that the girl you love is in danger so that I can save my innocent friend.
..Sam has done a lot of wrong things and so has Dean.
When we look closely, we realize that the story was never about how Sam and Dean wanted to live, it was about the lives they saved or destroyed. And of course both deserve a good life
Look again if Sam hadn't wanted to murder Benny who he didn't even know Dean wouldn't of had to fake the call. It was Also Sam who abandoned his hunting partner around a vampire nest for a abusive ex.
That's my problem with this fandom, they take side thinking one brother is always right/good and the other is always wrong/bad and they always hold onto their mistakes even when the characters themselves have long since forgiven/gotten over them.
Nathan: you're literally defending martin right now. Cameron: i'm not defending martin i'm defending Sam me: okay hold on now wait a minute Cameron didn't earlier in the reaction weren't you the one defending martin though when you "justified" him taking the woman hostage and he threatened to kill her. weren't you the one who said he's not going to do it when he clearly would have. hell even the doctors in the mental institution declared martin as insane and they said the guy was crazy. to be honest here martin shouldn't have been released from the mental institution because the guy he was completely crazy and mentally unstable.😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎.
I don't see that as being disrespectful, I mean tbh Sam hasn't always been reliable nor had Dean's back. He might be his brother but there have been multiple instances where Sam just straight up couldn't be trusted. And yeah Dean killing Amy was pretty bad, but one negative pales in comparison to how often Sam let Dean down. Ruby, the demon blood, I mean there's a laundry list. It's not disrespectful it's just the truth.
Sam is not childish he is just done with dean attitude
You should watch shadowhunters
I think dean maybe shouldn't have tricked Sam or Martin wouldn't have been there.
PLEASE REACT TO PEACEMAKER
please new series the vampire diaries
Dean move about making sam worry about amilia is so a dick move
Sylvester was the bad guy … uh Davion, spoilers.
First!
no
I don't care about what people say, I still think it was horrible what Dean said to Sam after all they've been through. Of course Sam made some mistakes but so did Dean, and Sam never said to him anything like that, unless he was posessed or sth. I really started to not like Dean from this season, and all these things he's saying to Sam lead to what happenes at the end of this season
So like Sam, Dean was also influenced by a monster so how can you excuse what Sam said but blame Dean? It’s literally the same thing.
"Sam never said to him anything like that[.]" This is such a false statement. Sam literally in the next season says something so horrible to Dean that he was visibly crushed by it. And Sam wasn't possessed or anything like that. On top of that, Dean was about to d** thinking that's how his brother truly felt.
@@TBFC1985 are you talking about the “i wouldnt do the same for you” ?? cuz if you are i think sam meant he wouldnt trick dean into being possessed to live lolol. not saying it didnt hurt dean tho, bcuz i know it did !
@@miamorselol Spoiler Alert!!!!
Yes, I was talking about that along with some other things Sam said. But Sam was not talking about not tricking Dean into getting possessed in order to live; he was talking about not saving Dean if he was dying, especially if Dean was ready to die like he was. It's obvious that's what he was saying because when Metatron stabs Dean and Sam is helping him, Dean says something along the lines of "What happened to you being ok with all of this?" in which Sam responds with "I lied."
Sorry but Nathan is right.
Wrong! 🤡
This is by far one of the worst seasons of the show, mostly due to the writers fundamentally trying to change what we know of the characters and what they stand for/believe in. You want to root for them, but they both are locked into this silly argument with no real solutions. It was just frustrating to watch, and even the actors hated it lol. Especially Sam’s character this season. That was probably one of the biggest flubs of the whole show. But season 9 is absolutely stellar & has a far more interesting plot. The show really picks up again after this season and really starts to go uphill. And without spoilers obvi, despite the season not being the best, the season finale for season 8 is surprisingly one of the coolest in the entire show. Can’t wait for y’all to get there!