The Real Cost Of Cheap Wood | IKEA | Wood Industry | Sustainability | Documentary
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The Real Cost Of Cheap Wood - Documentary on the practices of the wood industry with a focus on illegal timber trade.
The Real Cost Of Cheap Wood (2017)
Director: Marie Maurice
Genre: Documentary
Language: English
Also Known As: Wood Industry: A Business Against Nature
Synopsis:
When 15 - 30% of the timber sold worldwide is thought to be illegal, how sustainable is the wood used in Ikea’s products? The company claims it only uses responsibly-sourced materials but - as this investigation reveals - some of their sub-contractors are pillaging Romania’s ancient forests. In Indonesia, APP plantations have caused widespread pollution. This investigation, filmed in Sweden, France, Romania and Indonesia, investigates the real cost of cheap wood.
Reviews:
"I work in the cabinet business. I have done a lot of research regarding the cheap import lumber. From every thing I've studied, and watched, this is the best. I became interested because of the price descrepancy between import and domestic wood products. Example 1/2" sheet of a-1 maple ply core from a mill in Oregon would cost me $ 65. Imported from China $28. The import stuff is poor quality, but it's insanely low price is particularly because of it being conflict lumber, or clear cutting in Siberia, Africa etc.. IKEA is as guilty as they come. Much of there lumber is harvested by north Korean slave Labor. There's a book called "cheap" and several videos by vice if you want to pursue this further. This was an excellent expose. The females in this movie were incredibly compitant journalists."
- written by "DMW" on amazon.com
"This documentary contains important information on the global wood industry. Most of the western world is blind to the fact that many of our beloved products come at such a high cost to our environment! In the spirit of other documentaries such as Food Inc and the recent Rotten series, this film sheds light on the disheartening costs to our global forests, to our environment and ultimately to our health. I encourage everyone to watch this and share it. We need to spread the word. I only wish there was more to the film as it ends rather abruptly; needs a segment on other companies (domestic and global) that participate in illicit wood and paper production, corruption and deforestation practices as an umbrella whistleblower. Would like to see more info on companies and organizations which are doing good to currently help mitigate damage to our planet, to defend against future damage and destruction and to promote political and economic policy for change in an industry marred by deception, lobbyists, money hungry corporations and environmental disregard and disrespect."
- written by "Brent Laakso" on amazon.com
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the documentary is informative,but the tone of the narrator is pretty much unbearably repulsive after a while. I get you want to be ironic but 55 minutes is truly too much in the same tone
Got a crazy structure to nobody accountable
I would love to not buy ikea but the houses are designed with rooms so small you really need the thinner cabinets...
1:29: 🌲 Illegal wood trafficking is a major problem in the furniture industry, with 15-30% of wood sold being of illegal origin.
7:12: 🌲 Chronospan, the world's largest maker of particle board and fiberboard, claims to use low-grade wood and recycled wood as resources instead of beautiful forests.
16:16: 🔍 The video discusses a visit to Ikea's headquarters in Romania and the secrecy surrounding the sourcing of their wood.
22:32: 🌲 Activists and experts are speaking out against an Austrian wood processor in Romania, with an inquiry opened on its supply practices.
30:03: 🔍 The video discusses an organized structure involved in illegal activities related to wood and food.
37:25: 🔥 The video discusses the worst environmental disaster in Southeast Asia since the 2004 tsunami, which was caused by fires in Sumatra.
46:10: 🔥 The video discusses the environmental impact of APP plantations in Indonesia, including the high risk of fires and resulting smoke causing premature deaths.
Recap by Tammy AI
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@@ambition112 its online search it up works a treat
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Mikhail looked rather uncomfortable when he was shown video evidence of trucks transporting quality grade trunks to be processed for particle board.
I dare say he knew.
Ikea furniture is trash. It looks decent when you first assemble it but after any moderate wear or having to move, the particle board falls apart and you have to go buy new furniture. Buy it once and pay more or buy it 6 times and keep throwing it out.
The thing is, tests why you buy IKEA furniture! To trash or get rid of when moving. Cheaper to buy New than haul around. Dont forgett that old ”real” Wood furniture is heavy and you cant movit easy. Thats why you can buy old furniture cheap.
Lmao what do you do to your furniture? We've got numerous IKEA products that have lasted 20+ years and 4 moves. Not everything lasts, but I believe you're better off spending more on the stuff you use a lot (table/chairs, beds) and less on things you don't (bookshelves, end tables, organization tools, etc.).
Also, if it moves a lot, IKEA joinery is going to tear out fast. Not really designed for it. Comes apart easily though, simple to take down when moving.
It depends on what you get. The higher end stuff is pretty good.
Every quote we received for our kitchen cabinets was over 10x the cost of IKEA cabinets. I doubt the extra cost was related to sustainabilty or durability. Pretty easy choice.
This video points to problems with logging and (lack of) government regulation and then goes to the very end of the supply chain and blames paper mills and furniture makers? 😂
To be honest, low grade wood residues does not mean it doesn't come from large high quality timber, it means after processing the good heartwood into lumber boards and planks, about 10-30% of the log that is left is low quality wood residue which gets shredded and used etiher as biomass for heating pellets or for composite material such as particle boards. Chopping down trees in protected areas is horrible and should be punished but these journalists clearly did not do their homework and have no idea what they are talking about.
Come visit Northern Michigan where Arauco has decimated the forests to supply IKEA. What was nice and green 4 years ago is now a desert.
And it’ll grow back.
This is also happening in Slovakia. I'm supportive of the forestry industry, wood is a great building material that can grow back but my issue is that the governments (not just just in Slovakia) aren't forcing these companies to plant new trees + in many cases, they cut trees in protected areas. Companies like IKEA don't care where exactly their wood comes from but on social media, they act as a ''sustainable company''
Every country in the world is pushing planting trees and letting them grow wild. A wild tree removes absolutely no CO2 in it's life time! As it dies and decomposes, it puts all of the CO2 back into the atmosphere. If we harvest them in their prime and make durable goods out of the wood, we can slow the process. But not throw away products
They do not produce anything directly.. so its stupid to blame them in first place. You should blame government and organizations that are corrupt in first place,
Looks like many of the loads had low quality wood, lots of rot and probably didnt deliver the quality. Just because the tree is old, it doesnt need to be high quality. Many times this old trees has alot of rot in the center!
As an arborist i know exactly the problem... People love nature but not in their of backyard
same with immigrants and nuclear energy
"lovely things, but just not here where I live"
NIMBY (not in my backyard) people are a symptom of a societal sickness in the US, and other consumerist countries I'm sure. I'm a landscaper and I know what you mean. People want their yards to be perfectly manicured and laid out with their version of what looks best to them, and usually that involves ripping out whatever nature is already there and putting in stuff that doesn't belong.
When you do even more research on the fund balance at IKEA you soon realize they are just in it for the $$$.
Buy 2nd hand furniture and give it a new purpose.
Instead of a new fitted kitchen just redo the cabinet doors.
As a Swedish one get ashamed seeing this. we should know better over here.
While I do not agree with harvesting 200 year old trees for timber, the whole argument about using “solid wood” for particleboard is uninformed. When they say “ low grade wood”, that means low grade logs , I.e. “solid wood” logs that are low timber grade and not very useful for timber production because of defects in the wood like knots, not being straight, etc. Source: I am a forester with a degree in forestry and another in wildlife
And who made you a expert on trees oveslev you have never seen a 200 year old tree
@@michaelbennett-zh4dj I went to school for 4 years at a top 5 school in the country for Forestry specifically as a well as wildlife biology , I’ve assisted with forestry research with 3 different professors. I studied oak regeneration, effects of deer browsing and fire on forest regeneration and understory vegetation plant communities, how fire regimes and timber harvesting techniques affect amphibian and reptile population dynamics, and how shade gradients created in forest openings after harvest affects red and white oak seedlings competing with invasive species, in particular Amur honeysuckle, how prescribed fire affects timber value. I’ve studied plants and trees since I was young,I did all the tree care for 25+of my neighbors and others around my
City but the time I was a junior in high school. I am also a certified arborist with the ISA and have been a forester for 3 years now.
@@michaelbennett-zh4dj and yes, I’ve seen trees 600+ years old, ones that were actually that old and not just large trees that the average person thinks is 1000 years old just because it is large. I bet you look at every 3ft + wide tree and say it’s over 200 years old.
I understand what you mean.
The problem is those words give people the perception that its not 100 year old beautiful forests amd ikea knows that
Also, if u look closely. There is alot of rot in the center in most of the trees
There was a time when wooden furniture was built to last. Now, they turn that hard wood into chipboard which falls apart, so you have to buy more.
There was a time when there was much less people on earth, and they were less demanding. I can't really imagine making solid wood furnitures for every family those days. Besides i don't know if you ever seen process of making solid wood furnitures and how much waste they produce. It is not only they demand hard wood trees (mostly leaf trees) like oak but also much older trees because wood need to be wide to be usable for that type of furnitures. Don't forget not every person will keep their furnitures for whole of their lives not because they are damaged os something but just because they wanna change something in their interior. And also no, today's day furnitures do not fall apart that easily as long as you don't hit them with a hammer or don't pay for them the same amount as bread cost.
@@qleszwawa that's real jobs for people, and furniture that they won't need to keep rebuying and can pass on.
How about recicling those old wood boards? Old furniture as well!!
Not much solid furniture is made anymore. So there isn't much to recycle.
It's interesting that instead of using USB storage, evidence provided against cutting trees is written on cut down trees :)
8:55 That is not small wood but that is bad wood. You can see the spots in the middle that make this wood low grade. This is definitly low grade industry wood not the good wood for sawmills. Ikea is still trash but for other reasons.
I think Ikea is horribly expensive and tasteless...looks like crap...I only buy old usually hand made furniture in second hand stores, cheap and nothing new is manufactured.
Ok those logs didn’t look that great they looked like it could be recycled logs that weren’t worth cutting for wood cuz they where hallow or rotted to much or just not up to spec in some way 7:47
I worked for one of these companies for 2 years, the amount of wood coming in was staggering. Our plant went up in 2018 and I’ve watched all of the area slowly getting clear cut it is sad
in Poland there is a big process of cutting down great areas of forests too.
Nobody cares about forests in Poland or Romania. The Swedish need to make the moneys.
In Poland the problem is caused in great part by the European Union. In my village an investor from the big city comes in. Clears 12ha of forest. Starts with the 100+ yo beech trees. Ends with the bushes and shrubs ground up for sale as biofuel. His reward? The land is now a farm field that is out of service and the EU will pay him 600zl/year. Nobody took inventory to check if land that says pasture or grazing does not actually look like a full blown old wood forest. If Poland leaves the EU in my area that would immediately double or triple the amount of forests. They pay pseudo farmers to prevent forestation and to maintain 10 cows.
@@oldfootage in poland problem is caused by PIS.
You people are crazy. Most of that wood on those trucks would be rejected at a US wood mill. Do you need to at least have a general understanding of greater wood and types of wood and the value before you start running around chasing down trucks!
Hahahahha just what i was thinking. Old trees with alot of rot, No wood mill in Sweden would accept that!
Funny how people that dont know what they are talking about can go out in public and do stuff like this, its a shame!
Errr it is the end buyer that makes this possible not Ikea. You want cheep stuff, company's make cheep stuff. And you do not like how they do it, but yet you buy their stuff. You have a vote, your money.
How is this not more well known
This this this this!
Idk. A big creator needs to react to this
I won’t be buying ikea, nor recommend anyone to buy it🇦🇺
Sad to hear the effects of APP mismanagement and loss of life due to smoke😢🇦🇺
While the earth was burning, I was shopping at IKEA🤭
At least in Romania they sell the wood... look at Canada.. the forest is burning for months... Greece as well...
Great doc. Disgusting to see how see how the swedish guy (Ikea) and the Austrian guy are trying to pretend that they are not guilty...
Discussing and disgusting have two completely different meanings...
Great documentary btw!!
This is a 2-3 years old documentary. But still actual
At the end, there is a Copyright by Prèmieres Linges Télévision from 2017, so it's at least 6 years old.
@@ProtonOne11you’re right, it’s been 6 years, time is flying!
This was excellent thank you.
I love watching my country destroy their beautiful trees for a couple million dollars in profit. Kinda sad considering if Romanias govt wasn’t so bad and the people took more action and weren’t so stingy we could make way more money off tourism. But hey why make money doing that when you can hit the one-time only profit button with wood.
Everywhere it’s the same story, Canada, England, Germany, France,Indonesia etc
Stop having kids so we can plant more trees
Fight these by planting trees whenever possible. Rescue all native trees' seeds . And plant temporarily on milktea plastic cups ( reuse these plastics) like what I'm doing with our acacia, narra and talisay trees. I also plant seeds from middle East countries' trees like dates from sweet candies gifts from OFW. Plant also fruit bearing fruits like avocadoes, mangoes, rambutan, durian, etc. Action speaks louder than words.
Been to Ikea recently and almost nothing is from real wood. MDF at best. Sometimes paper with plastic skin to look like wood.
Massive wood in mass market pricing is rare
I used to buy IKEA furniture - it was cheap, looked modern, could be transported home in the back of a car. It’s also generally junk - over the years everything I bought with the exception of a bed base (solid pine) and my CD racks (which are just about hanging on in there) fell apart. I’ve replaced just about everything I bought from IKEA with vintage 40s, 60s and 70s furniture. It’s all solid hardwood, and in re-using, I haven’t contributed to yet more deforestation. Yes, you’ll need a van when you move. But this is furniture I’ll never replace. You can even sand it all down and refinish it when it starts to look tired. Try that with MDF with a picture of some wood grain on it. Similarly, I had a solid pine kitchen bespoke made for my home - fancy a change? Re-paint it. Again, it’ll outlast me, unlike an MDF kitchen, which typically lasts around 20 yrs. I’ve even got some of grandparent’s 1940s and 50s furniture - it’s all still usable, and will outlast me. So why buy chipboard, or that junk cheap oak furniture they sell out of retail parks?
All the money goes to the top
you need to do select cutting to improve the canopy and diversity
FSC and sustainable sourced certification
And - the totally pathetic woodchip furniture sold as the cheapest tier in Ikea - is "Garbage" - sad to see majestic trees chipped to make low value rubbish - so much better to make fewer higher valuable "durable goods"... (I experienced all this as far back as 20 years ago, I am sure little has improved recently
NB, virtually "no" European forests can be described as "virgin" - there is no "old growth" forest in "civilised" Europe. (very few even in less developed spaces.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future" (2017).
My phone was also at 65% battery when you showed your own at 7:38, I've spent the last half hour checking like a madman how you were able to do that, until my battery went down and I checked... Good documentary
They could at least make proper furniture which would last decades rather than trashy chipboard crap out of those beautiful trees. If they planted new trees after logging it wouldn’t be quite as bad. But as it is, it’s just like all big business - greedy and destructive.
I worked for a cabinet maker in the U.S. They didn't go to any effort to save good scraps of exotic wood. If you wanted to, you were on your own. Otherwise it got ground up for lawn mulch. You couldn't walk out with it.
Trunks are used for wood materials/board - they were lying right on the ground in front of the factory. Only the scrap goes for the production of particulaboards. The factory owner is not stupid to sell expensive wood at scrap price.
What a shame, large old trees cut down just to be shredded into particle board for crappy furniture. As these old growth trees are felled, I wouldn't feel as bad if they were used for major structural timber members. But particleboard? A shame.
Exactly the problem that we are trying to solve. Furniture made using particleboard has a very bad reputation of not being reusable, i.e. typically it loses its structural integrity once it is assembled-dismantled-reassembled. Conversely, plywood displays better assembly-dismantling-reassembling characteristics; although plywood comes with its own set of problems like pesticide attack, environmental degradation, and most importantly higher initial cash outgo.
Fortunately, we have invented a viable alternative; i.e. to make "plywood" using agrowaste. The "plywood" we have invented is an fully engineered product which is far superior to regular plywood, not only in terms of performance, but also is economical, terminate resistant etc. The icing on the cake is that it is made from agro-waste, which lock away huge quantity of carbon, and thereby only has a positive impact on the environment.
Currently, we are in discussions with the Department of Science & Technology, Govt. of India for securing funding for commercialisation of our engineered agro-plywood products. Hopefully, in the near future these high performance products will be available to you through companies such as Ikea who may opt to use our products instead of using low grade particleboard etc.
He says it’s lost forever. Lies. The trees you see that have been plated back will be back to full size in another 100-200 years. So to say it’s gone forever is an out right lie.
So many seedy business. Why don't they just process the birch tree into solid wood furniture that worth few times more than IKEA MDF?
Does watching the commercials truly really help your channel, because if so, then I will truly really watch them all, so you can keep doing what you're doing ❤
They claim it helps so I just turn volume down.
Same I'm gonna watch it too 👍🏽
It helps youtube monetize over you
Skip everytime
I'm surprised IKEA is so popular, their furniture is just garbage, falls apart within few years. It's such a waste.
Maybe TEAM ABBA can help. When they're not too busy shopping for dead animals to wear.🤔😡🤬
1:29: 🌲 The narrator imagines redecorating their home with wood, but highlights the issue of illegal wood trafficking.
7:12: 🌲 Chronospan, the world's largest maker of particle board and fiberboard, claims to use low-grade wood and recycled wood to avoid deforestation.
15:37: 🔍 Investigation into Ikea's wood sourcing and manufacturing process in Romania.
22:32: 🌲 Activists and experts denounce the wood processing methods of an Austrian company in Romania, which supplies wood to IKEA.
29:56: 🔍 The boss discusses an organized structure involved in illegal activities and the need to investigate further.
38:13: 🔥 The worst environmental disaster in Southeast Asia since the 2004 tsunami was possibly caused by open-air app plantations on the island of Sumatra.
45:57: 😢 The paper and packaging company APP's plantations have caused numerous fires and resulted in a significant number of premature deaths in the region.
Recap by Tammy AI
this forests in romania dont seem like vandalised. they cuted old wood to let young trees to grow and forest look kind of very ok to me. in bulgaria, they doing exactly same thing to get wood for heating, officially, and all money goes to local budgets. and forests looks same ok. show some catastrofic bad looking forest places first, to alarm the situatio
Homie really thought he could gaslight the comment section.
Lol. Don't care
The ecoLGBT lot have me anti-environment after all their bleating and trying to cost me my money.
I will say they takin too many logs is very bad but if they only logged out all the bigger trees yes sadly they are over 100 200 300 yrs but its good for forest to log em a little bit but they are loggin more then they need
I like the editing on this documentary. The 5th Estate could use this in their features. Good job.
wood trafficing? LOL! It must be real, because it is a "documentary"!
This is so sad😢
have never bought anything from ikea. as they furniture are crap. and now even not going to look at that direction
Futures generation will have a hard live with climate changes and global warming 😢😢
Good document of just how far reaching the effects of corporate greed and capitalism are.
Wonderful video. Many thanks for sharing.
Wow the Ikea's forest manager look so mean and fake. I think the right person to sell bs
so IKEA is ecofriendly but doesnt care where their wood comes from / if the entire forest of a country is irreversible distroyd... ok
All these companies need to be seized and have local communities governance.
Wouldnt be so bad but particle board is garbage. its a shame that new trees are cut for it.
Grazie. Triste come documentario ma molto importante, tutto il mio appoggio🌳🌳🌲🌲🌴🌴🌵🌾🌿☘🍀🍁🍃🍂🍁
No cheap wood was found here as expected so you just cut down a tree on your neighbors land.
Capitalism, globalization and greed. Same old story.
The wood industry just needs to die out.. It's not fair to the planet
IKEA Stop cutting our forests illegally!!
Just know everything you have or do in ur life hurts something nothing comes for free
Algorithm boost🎉
Great Video.. thankyou for uploading 👍🏽
I won't buy IKEA again, BS artists!
Can I subtitle this in Romanian and repost it?
Where do you think any wood comes from?
this makes me sick. can't keep watching
Ikea is giving a damn to this doc. 😂😂
The crappiest furniture ever made 😡
200 year old beech tree to make ika sh*t
IKEA affecting the wood industry?
You know trees are the MOST renewable contruction material there is right ? You can infinitely grow and regrow trees .... What is YOUR alternative ? I gurantee it's not as renewable as trees
IKEA is shit and bad for a completely different reason ... Cheap furniture made from cheap materials don't last long. Real Wood furniture lasts forever. Buying crap that you have to rebuy every 5 to 10 years is just bad in every way.
Trees only regrow if they are replanted. Clear-cutting trees and not replanting does so much damage to the earth.
@mystichawk1612 lol so tell me what forest's IKEA is clear cutting 😂
I got wood watching this....
Watching this documentary was a wake-up call. It's disheartening to see the environmental toll of cheap wood production. Thanks for shining a light on these critical issues and encouraging us all to make more sustainable choices.
boycott IKEA now
i see why its 55m
0:32 aaah Linoleum is a natural material (well it's comprised of natural materials). Surprising but true, Marmoleum is a good brand and they have new designs that are actually pretty nice.
It is bad, but if you see how brands in developing countries source their wood, it is much worst than this, there are less regulations.
And the haze problem in southeast Asia are all combined smoke from intentional burning of palm plantation, sugar and so many other agricultural burning, forestry industry is not the main culprit. Where I live in Thailand, sugar plantation burn the most, they do it every year and authority can't stop it, those deople don't understand that smoke are harmful.
A must watch!
this tree hugging narritive is so sad.Specially the way it is presented in this documentary..
It is renewable , only problem is that the trees do not get replanted.
You imply that once that trees are cut that forests are gone forever. This is totally false. Trees grow back. Trees are weeds - they don't have to be planted or tended. New England USA once was denuded of forests by early American settlers. Yet today New England is oppressively overgrown with trees as far as the eye can see. Trees, trees, trees, everywhere you look. They even are growing over the roads in many places, causing hazards for motorists with falling branches (one fell on my car earlier this year)...
Those dam trees. Growing and helping us breathe. How dare they.
@@bberis1 Actually, the older a tree gets, the less carbon dioxide it consumes, like old people eating less and less food. Then guess what? When the tree dies in the forest, it eventually emits all of the carbon dioxide that it consumed in its lifetime. Or perhaps you never studied that in school...
semi-moist...
When I saw those 100-200 year old trees, my heart sunk 😢
😢😢😢
Haha haha he said cheap wood! My idea of cheap wood is a pack of generic ciggarettes and a 40oz. And a movie in the beta max
Now that this is affecting Europe, they’ll perhaps have some empathy for what has been happening in the Third World for CENTURIES.
Presently in the UK they say they are cutting down deceased trees ie Ash etc but much more than deceased trees are being cut down