Thoughts and prayers to Warwick, its only a few months since his wife passed away. Probably having a holiday for the 1st time since this, must be really hard 💔
Dave I see what you are getting at about VW EV prices but in fact the ID3 is almost identical size to the Golf, Polo is considerably smaller and the ID4 is about 30cm longer than the Golf.
Yeah I don't know where he got that from. ID3 actually has more interior space than the Golf. ID4 is way bigger than the Golf. Probably more like a Tiguan at least.
Hi Dave..Wayne from OZ Watch some of your youtube posts..luv your work.. just wanted to let you know they fo have DC chargers up in the Northerm Territory..will share map with you..keep up the good work..cheers Wayne
No that was an unfair comparison on the VW range of EV versus ICE. The ID.3 is equivalent to the Golf . Still waiting for ID.2 which will be EV equivalent to the Polo!
I think you need to change the title 'Renault and VW abandon EV plans' somewhat misleading after listening to the full post. It implies to me that you are suggesting Renault and VW are no longer developing / selling EVs of which of course you report does not imply that.
These days, the mobile telephone has a great camera, an equally great camcorder for video and is more like a computer than a mobile phone!! I love it!!
Hi Dave, pulled into Birch Services Eastbound yesterday, amazed to see a long line of Tesla chargers …. As you already mentioned though not working…..yet !
You’ve stated Germany selling less than the UK. Do you realise that Germany has scaled back/dropped EV incentives in Dec 23 so Q1 2024 will obviously be low. UK EV sales are propped up by fleet buyers and salary sacrifice schemes. This is not a free market, it’s an incentivised market biased towards EV’s which is understandable (net zero) but is problematic in the medium term. Warwick Davis pottering about 👍👍
I had an ID.3 and it is a Golf comparator, more importantly, I now drive a Tesla M3 and one of the key reasons was the awful nature of VW updates and how poorly they performed in the car, some required leaving the car with the dealer just to load them. Every trip created an anticipation of error messages. The Tesla difference is like night and day. Never again shall I own a VW!
Whilst a 'surge' of 71% in used EV sales sounds good it only accounts for some 42,000 vehicles out of a total used sales of just short of 2 million (1.967,923) used vehicles sold over that period - that's only 2% of all used car sales. If all those used EV's were replaced with new EV's then only a further 41,000 new EV's were sold to new EV buyers. You are totally correct in that prices will have to come down to make them more attractive to new car buyers.
So your logic says only people with an existing EV will buy a new one? Records say 15% of all new cars sold in the first 4 months of 2024 are EVs, that's a few more than 41,000.
@@davetakesiton There were around 83,000/84,000 new EV's sold in the UK in the first quarter along with around 42,000 secondhand. It is highly unlikely that all those were sold to new buyers, quite a few of the new sales would be to replace older EV's, hence you get vehicles entering the secondhand market, although my approach was very simplistic. For EV sales to increase substantially prices have to fall. Your comments on the price difference between equivalent ICE and EV's made that crystal clear - why would anybody pay (if they can afford it) 10, 15, 20k more for an EV than for the ICE equivalent?. The Gov't requirement for EV sales to increase annually (together with the fines for excess ICE sales) does nothing to encourage manufacturers to cut prices because they know that at some point they will only be allowed to sell EV's, even though that could cause them some major falls in turnover in the short term. Some companies can carry those losses and some can't and those that can't will fail.
@@dublodave7860107,000 BEV new sales per the SMMT website up to April, so ou’ re about right there. The overall market is pretty flat but BEV’s still increasing. It’s a slow thing - I don’t know why everyone thinks BEV’s will replace ICE in a few years, the won’t.
I paid 28,000 for mine nearly four years ago. Expensive for a Corsa, but the alternative ICE I would have got was 27k so basically the same price, though dropping down both a segment and a manufacturer. Still driving it with 58,000 miles on the clock. Don’t feel like I made a mistake then - saving 1200 to 1500 a year on fuel. I would happily buy another at the price you mention - heck at that price I would have been happy to get a second hand one with up to 10k on the clock. It may not have the build quality of my old Golf but it gets the job done and I still enjoy it now. Only failure so far was the fan on the cab heater. I also preferred the real buttons over the e208. The market is much bigger these days with many other vehicles available, I’d take the opportunity to give several a test drive, maybe try an MG as well.
Assuming its the car you want and not just the £14k " saving" and you understand what being able to buy it at that price will mean to its future resale value. Then yes.
@@brianiswrong Despite their username, Brian is right 😉 I have driven VW for many years and it was my preferred brand. But the EV addition to the market, has really mixed things up. What you used to know about vehicle operation, cars and brands no longer applies quite as it used to. I get why people find it confusing and a bit scary - because it is. A car is an important and costly purchase - most people can’t afford to make a mistake here. I sat down and did the maths for a few months on my usage and needs and compared various vehicles (petrol and electric) by the numbers. The car that was the best fit for me at the time came out as a Corsa. I was not expecting that to be honest. I gave one a test drive and it seemed fine, so we took the chance. The calculated numbers have matched reality so I am satisfied. I would always prefer VW build quality over Vauxhall but VW was out of my budget plus they were having software issues that put me off. If you can charge at home and are honest to yourself on your usage needs and with your numbers when you do your sums, if a Corsa or similar EV seems to make sense for you it probably will. If you do 300 miles driving a day though, probably not 😉 If you need to know about real world ranges under various conditions then I highly recommend the EV Database UK website. I have found their range numbers for various driving types and weather conditions are a good match for reality. That is what I used to assess my needs and they did not let me down.
At that price, it is a good financial deal. Make sure you like it to drive and use and don't forget you get 1 year free EV charging with it. That's worth a bit.
Not a Corsa, but a friend of mine got an MG4 pre-reg for under £20k this month. Running it for virtually nothing with a 3-pin home charger and 7 year warranty. I think any deal on an EV where you’ve got a huge chunk of the depreciation off and virtually new is a great deal.
The elephant in the room - PHEV sales April 22.1% and YTD 31.4%. I myself have a PHEV and drive 99% in EV. I never have range anxiety, so understand why people are turning to PHEV’s.
Photo-bombed by an Ewok (THE Ewok!) I had to rewind to hear the figures as i was distracted by Warwick casually drinking his tasty beverage and side-eying Dave with a look of 'what on earth is this bloke doing?!?' 😂
So far, all legacy manufacturer attempts I've seen to bring EV prices closer to ICE equivalents have resulted in models with double-digit mile ranges. If that is what VW end up with, I don't think they'll see any better sales figures.
I must correct you Dave. PWC (or indeed DT, KMPG etc) cant offer consultancy services to their Audit Client's. Once they are not their auditors ( banks, big corporates etc have to change Auditors every so often) they can, but not whilst they are their auditors.
Yes Paul you are correct. They cannot offer individual consultancy services to their clients but they are perfectly free to produce and release independent professional reports available to all, including their clients.
The ID3 is pretty much the same length as the Golf and is it's competitor within the VW brand - although it has almost the same interior volume as the Passat! The problem with the ID3 (originally) is they had so many pre-orders for them, they needed to release it (even though the date had been extended somewhat) with poor software! There were also some quality issues, such as cheaper plastics in the interior over what the Golf offered etc! Many of us Golf drivers were looking forward to the ID3 but then we're disheartened by the product they released, which is why I went Korean and probably won't look back!? There is a comparison to the Golf coming out, suggested as the ID2, it looks like a great car - hopefully the software is sorted out by then! VW's range of EV's has other problems in the haptic button over use and the feeling that they were designed by accountants rather than the car mad engineers! The Golf, of course, being the original mass market quality hatchback and eventual hot hatch! The ID3 seemed somewhat soulless!? Also, the only thing wrong with the compliance car e-Golf was it's smaller battery and slow charge rate with no proper thermal battery management! Its software was fine. So why VW decided to go off on another tangent with the ID cars, is beyond me!? Of course, this is broken Britain and we're out of the EU now, so anything €20k in Europe will cost £20k in the UK! There won't be an exchange rate lowering of the price! Just about every EV based channel says about this £17k equivalent! I'm guessing they've never bought say, a bike costing upwards of 2 grand? It will be a price of say £2k, €2k and $2k!
Coming back to your car with a coffee and a doughnut ..and there's some nutter with a notebook addressing the car park 😷 ... eventually you spot the camera 🤯 Lovely bloke Wawick ... as was his wife; sad but they have a good family too.
That nutter was already doing that when he arrived. He then went off to get his coffee and doughnuts. But yes, totally dominated my video. Maybe one day he will get as many viewers as I have ....ooops!
Good content overall. But you confused the Toyota European only sells with the global figure. Being the biggest car manufacturer, Toyota sells around a million cars every month worldwide. Much smaller brands like BMW and Mercedes (in terms of sells volume) - sell around 180 - 200,000 every month worldwide. EV's maybe the future and for a good reason, but the way they are forced with massive subsidies and restrictions for everything else, all for a very questionable CO2 emission war - that is what many people hate. If it were only for the clean air in cities - why they plan to ban Hybrids as well, which are pretty clean in cities? And much more straightforward and hassle-free vehicle to use.
I’m like who is that guy In The shot heheh that’s great truly funny just the way he wanders about. Right challenge for all mid famous British stars it get in on Dave takes it on videos. Let’s have Liam Neeson just glowering at you from the side in his Renault Zoe
Nearly. The i3 launched in 2013, the Leaf in 2011 and the Zoe in 2012. Leaf sales to date around 700,000, Zoe sales to date over 300,000, BMW i3 sales to date just over 250,000. All are great small cars.
And what do you think of the new electric vehicle batteries that China are bringing out? They have Sodium Carbonate ion technology instead of Lithium Ion.
Of course second hand EV sales are up significantly. This is a market that was virtually non-existent 10 years ago, and only became a market to speak of in the last two years, as second hand EVs became available in any significant amount. And of course, the sudden rise in second hand EVs will have an impact on new EV sales. Imagine if that happened with ICE vehicles. This shows that there Is Demand for EVs. It also shows that there is a demand for lower priced EVs which have been promised but scarcely delivered by manufacturers. Manufacturers made a bunch of high end EVs, capturing a specific sector of buyer, but few have offered anything else. Some buyers have gone to the used market, but many more are still waiting on the long promised affordable EV. In the mean time, they are buying ICE and PHEV vehicles, further skewing the numbers.
As it happens, the ID.3 is golf-sized on the outside but with more passenger space on the inside because of the ev platform advantages. Why do VW need to make a sub £20k car Dave? You're not going to buy one so why all the negativity? People who are brand loyal to VW just like Tesla fanboi's are unswervingly loyal to Tesla will buy ID.2's when they launch them so that's fine.
Dave, the ID3 is bigger than a Golf so your comparison is wrong. Similarly the ID4 is an SUV and is bigger than their Tiguan, which is their i.c. equivalent. 27k gets you a basic 1litre petrol Golf, if you wanted one with similar performance and equipment to an entry level ID3 you would probably spend similar money.
Uk EV sales have stalled because early adopters and evengelicals now have EVs and the majority of the population dont want EVs because of all the inherent problems, cost, range, time, etc etc. Plus manufacturers are backing out of EV sales because of the draconian fines government levy if they don't hit % sales.
Sorry Dave but you got this wrong , the ID3 is a golf equivalent. In fact internally the ID3 has more space. The ID4 is a big car and is more Passat size. Agree they were still too expensive but your reasoning is wrong.
VW Golf advertised at £27k today, ID3 advertised at £36k (+35%), Passat £38k ID4 £44k. Loads of ICE under £30k, Polo, Golf Tiguan, T Roc, Taiga. No EV under £36k. Better than Vauxhall with a nearer 100% hike, but all EVs are around +50% compared to equivalent ICE model. Peugeot 2008 ICE £24k EV £36k. Mercedes A class £32k EQA £50k. This is not right
@@davetakesitonThe real gap is smaller though, especially on the Stellantis cars. The new discounts on them are huge, on the ICE ones smaller so take probably more like 25% higher than ICE in the real world. Still way too much though and we need to get to price parity in the next couple of years.
@@davetakesiton I was just pointing out you were comparing an ID3 to a Polo which is a bad comparison. The Polo is a much smaller car and will be the equivalent of an ID2 when they eventually get around to producing it. I do agree the list price disparity still exists between a Golf and ID3 although not as great as the comparison you make.
I think Dave the UK growth is almost entirely propped up by Fleet sales thanks to more generous BIK offers. It'll be interest how the 2nd hsnd market reacts to them when they land in a few years.
@davetakesiton, surely the concern has to be whether fleet sales will continue at their current rate if they are facing 50-60% depreciation. If they start to scale back you then have lacklustre new sales which may push up 2nd hand values, making both unaffordable to a lot of people.
@@christopherstubbs8130 The whole car market place is foggy, never mind EV's. I agree if the Chinese tsunami EV wave crashed into the UK / EV, its going to put a lot of new owners in the red from a depreciation perspective, including fleet. 2025 for the UK with roadtax and expensive car supplement isn't going to help too much either
Actually 2/3 of all new cars sold now are leased, so it’s also ICE cars ‘propped up by fleet sales’. The BIK issue only applies to company/salary sacrifice cars. It’s a myth that ‘all EV’s are company cars’, they aren’t.
I think you are to strong on your statements, rather than your view. According to you, you know more than Toyota. It is almost certain that all cars after 2035 will be EV, but in the interim EV are not perfect especially with regard to range and cost. Toyota by being heavy on Hybrids are buying themselves time to produce EV that are more acceptable and in the meantime are generating huge profits to fund the research and developments that are required to continue their No 1 spot
Ev cars are overpriced (unions, red tape, greed, etc). Used Evs are closer to reality. In US used 22-23 Tesla 3 is 1/2 of the new price. Buy used, you have car for life. Mechanics cost a fortune, ICE quality is terrible, and new car prices are out of reach for most americans.
Don't know where you got that number from but it is not from Toyota. Made up perhaps? 2023 sales totalled over 11 million. So if they only sold 300k worldwide in Q1 of 2024 then your prediction of their demise will be correct and soon. I do enjoy some of your videos and you are very vocal on misinformation and or disinformation by the anti EV YTubers and other media, however you seem to be no different in trying to push your agenda.
That's largely China. EV market share has shrunk in the US meanwhile, and stagnating most other countries. And that's with massive price cuts for EVs that were overproduced and not selling.
You accuse others of cherry picking then you go and do the same thing. Your Tesla suits you, i drove a model s really really nice, so dont think i am an ev hater because i am. not. Well at least you provided an upside to hanging around a charging station better than stuffing yourself with cake and coffee 😊
Sorry, must take you to task, you are totally wrong, there is little out there that's better than stuffing yourself with cake and coffee. Plus over 1 million EV drivers chose EVs. Is that cherry picking?
You would do well to watch the latest Bjorn Nylan video, particularly the issue with used / failed battery packs. As opposed to there being demand for repurposing, there is actually a significant fee for disposal. Someone will have to bear these costs. Bearing in mind he has over 1/3 million subscribers, could this dream all come crashing down before you even get to 10k? You would do well to learn about the balanced picture......while being pro EV, he does at least show both sides of the coin.
@@davetakesiton I said both sides of the coin - that isn't necessarily equal weight. It just means showing the other side. You really are rather a sensitive little soul when it comes to constructive criticism. Is that your Tesla shares talking?
@@BROOMEngineeringTMIET Oh really, the China market seems to be doing quite well. Not a single car manufacturer on the planet is currently developing a new platform based on an ICE. All EV. Battery technology is currently progesssing at phenomenal speed which will fuel price parity and EV adoption.
Dave, you post a lot of pro EV car videos on here. Would you kindly explain why you think they are so good? Personally I think they are dreadful so persuade me otherwise.
I fill my battery while I sleep for £6 and can drive 250 miles. Equivalent petrol car has to drive to a garage, costs around £110 to fill and can drive around 600 miles.
@@davetakesiton is that it? You are happy to pay a premium for a car that is cheaper to run. How many miles a year do you do? Unless you are claiming a government business bribe to lease your car the economics don't add up.
@@iareid8255He’s not ‘paying a premium’ as you put it, he bought the Model S used and probably at a similar price to any other used Executive car. Then you look at what it’s costing him to run it - absolute peanuts compared to a petrol or diesel and you see why. If that doesn’t suit you or fit with what you need from a car that’s fine, there is absolutely no pressure to get an EV. All this panic about them immediately replacing ICE cars is nonsense - it will be 20 years before most people are affected. In the meantime if Dave and others who like EV’s want to make a Channel, well good for them,. If it’s not your cup of tea,there are many, many non-EV channels out there.
Ted, are you now telling me that an ev and a comparable specification ic engined car are the same price? Also factor in the fuel duty that has to be eventually recovered from driving an ev. My fundamental objection is the mistaken idea that they will reduce CO2 emissions, the primary reason that governments want to eliminate fossil fuelled cars.
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Wow to be outdone by Mr Warwick is amazing. I thought it might be him, but glad you confirmed it! Great news roundup as well.
Cheers, Jay, it's nice meeting famous people, and no, I don't include myself in that category. Most are down to earth and really friendly
Thoughts and prayers to Warwick, its only a few months since his wife passed away. Probably having a holiday for the 1st time since this, must be really hard 💔
Our thoughts are with Warwick snd his family, great to see you had a good chat with him.
🙏 ❤
Warwick is certainly a scene-stealer, isn't he? :)
Dave I see what you are getting at about VW EV prices but in fact the ID3 is almost identical size to the Golf, Polo is considerably smaller and the ID4 is about 30cm longer than the Golf.
Yeah I don't know where he got that from. ID3 actually has more interior space than the Golf. ID4 is way bigger than the Golf. Probably more like a Tiguan at least.
Good point! The ID3 is comparable to the Golf, while the ID4 is a class above. For the Polo EV equivalent we're still waiting (ID2).
Got to the be the best "Video Bomb" of the year!
Hi Dave..Wayne from OZ
Watch some of your youtube posts..luv your work.. just wanted to let you know they fo have DC chargers up in the Northerm Territory..will share map with you..keep up the good work..cheers Wayne
No that was an unfair comparison on the VW range of EV versus ICE. The ID.3 is equivalent to the Golf . Still waiting for ID.2 which will be EV equivalent to the Polo!
will it sell for £20k?
@@davetakesiton who knows the secret of the black (or colour of your choice) magic box. Would be good if they can pull it off!
Can you do a video on the craze that is putting a wet towel on a supercharger handle to cool it and charge faster.
Does anyone have the link to the PWC report that Dave is quoting?
I think you need to change the title 'Renault and VW abandon EV plans' somewhat misleading after listening to the full post. It implies to me that you are suggesting Renault and VW are no longer developing / selling EVs of which of course you report does not imply that.
Warwick Davis is an awesome guy! Loved his role in Dr. Who a few years back!
These days, the mobile telephone has a great camera, an equally great camcorder for video and is more like a computer than a mobile phone!! I love it!!
It would have been hilarious if you had not mentioned Warwick but just let him wander around in the background.
Next time
Hi Dave, pulled into Birch Services Eastbound yesterday, amazed to see a long line of Tesla chargers …. As you already mentioned though not working…..yet !
One day, please
Good video Dave, like all the numbers!
You’ve stated Germany selling less than the UK. Do you realise that Germany has scaled back/dropped EV incentives in Dec 23 so Q1 2024 will obviously be low. UK EV sales are propped up by fleet buyers and salary sacrifice schemes. This is not a free market, it’s an incentivised market biased towards EV’s which is understandable (net zero) but is problematic in the medium term.
Warwick Davis pottering about 👍👍
UK's tax distortion to company benefits in kind is a huge effect.
Cheers Dave , & Warwick
@14:08 Toyota sold nearly 2.4m cars worldwide in Q1 2024. So yes it was over 300k cars by about 2 million! 😂
Great show I have a Y and charge at home do you think we will have two many public chargers now BP etc have joined the game ??
I bow to your greater knowledge. But GigaBerlin recycles 100% of its water used and uses less than half per car produced than the industry average.
I had an ID.3 and it is a Golf comparator, more importantly, I now drive a Tesla M3 and one of the key reasons was the awful nature of VW updates and how poorly they performed in the car, some required leaving the car with the dealer just to load them. Every trip created an anticipation of error messages. The Tesla difference is like night and day. Never again shall I own a VW!
Last time I saw Warwick Davies and his family was in Teesside Mercedes, he was driving a GLC at the time which had a few issues…….
why will my MG not charge on those Tesla chargers?
The Warwick Davies video with some random bloke waffling on about EV’s in the background.
"it's a Citroën, so it'll have a bit more quality"
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Whilst a 'surge' of 71% in used EV sales sounds good it only accounts for some 42,000 vehicles out of a total used sales of just short of 2 million (1.967,923) used vehicles sold over that period - that's only 2% of all used car sales. If all those used EV's were replaced with new EV's then only a further 41,000 new EV's were sold to new EV buyers. You are totally correct in that prices will have to come down to make them more attractive to new car buyers.
So your logic says only people with an existing EV will buy a new one? Records say 15% of all new cars sold in the first 4 months of 2024 are EVs, that's a few more than 41,000.
@@davetakesiton There were around 83,000/84,000 new EV's sold in the UK in the first quarter along with around 42,000 secondhand. It is highly unlikely that all those were sold to new buyers, quite a few of the new sales would be to replace older EV's, hence you get vehicles entering the secondhand market, although my approach was very simplistic. For EV sales to increase substantially prices have to fall. Your comments on the price difference between equivalent ICE and EV's made that crystal clear - why would anybody pay (if they can afford it) 10, 15, 20k more for an EV than for the ICE equivalent?. The Gov't requirement for EV sales to increase annually (together with the fines for excess ICE sales) does nothing to encourage manufacturers to cut prices because they know that at some point they will only be allowed to sell EV's, even though that could cause them some major falls in turnover in the short term. Some companies can carry those losses and some can't and those that can't will fail.
@@dublodave7860107,000 BEV new sales per the SMMT website up to April, so ou’ re about right there. The overall market is pretty flat but BEV’s still increasing. It’s a slow thing - I don’t know why everyone thinks BEV’s will replace ICE in a few years, the won’t.
Hi Dave. Golf cost go to over 40K.
40,000 for one round of golf? Must be a Trump course 🏌♀🏌
And the ID3 price with added extras I got up to over £46k, that's why I use base prices.
@@davetakesiton I think that’s absolutely the right approach Dave. The Golf R starts at £44,605 before options.
The VW ID2 will be a game changer… the in between a Polo and Golf… at £22000 it may bring other EVs to a sensible price…
If every city, (almost in the UK) banks ice cars than they have no choice. But it is short lived rise. As the charging infrastructure is dismal
I enjoyed that, thanks. My local dealer is doing a 2024 Corsa Design for £18,000 pre-reg, good deal ?
I paid 28,000 for mine nearly four years ago. Expensive for a Corsa, but the alternative ICE I would have got was 27k so basically the same price, though dropping down both a segment and a manufacturer. Still driving it with 58,000 miles on the clock. Don’t feel like I made a mistake then - saving 1200 to 1500 a year on fuel. I would happily buy another at the price you mention - heck at that price I would have been happy to get a second hand one with up to 10k on the clock. It may not have the build quality of my old Golf but it gets the job done and I still enjoy it now. Only failure so far was the fan on the cab heater. I also preferred the real buttons over the e208.
The market is much bigger these days with many other vehicles available, I’d take the opportunity to give several a test drive, maybe try an MG as well.
Assuming its the car you want and not just the £14k " saving" and you understand what being able to buy it at that price will mean to its future resale value.
Then yes.
@@brianiswrong Despite their username, Brian is right 😉
I have driven VW for many years and it was my preferred brand. But the EV addition to the market, has really mixed things up. What you used to know about vehicle operation, cars and brands no longer applies quite as it used to. I get why people find it confusing and a bit scary - because it is. A car is an important and costly purchase - most people can’t afford to make a mistake here.
I sat down and did the maths for a few months on my usage and needs and compared various vehicles (petrol and electric) by the numbers. The car that was the best fit for me at the time came out as a Corsa. I was not expecting that to be honest. I gave one a test drive and it seemed fine, so we took the chance. The calculated numbers have matched reality so I am satisfied. I would always prefer VW build quality over Vauxhall but VW was out of my budget plus they were having software issues that put me off.
If you can charge at home and are honest to yourself on your usage needs and with your numbers when you do your sums, if a Corsa or similar EV seems to make sense for you it probably will. If you do 300 miles driving a day though, probably not 😉
If you need to know about real world ranges under various conditions then I highly recommend the EV Database UK website. I have found their range numbers for various driving types and weather conditions are a good match for reality. That is what I used to assess my needs and they did not let me down.
At that price, it is a good financial deal. Make sure you like it to drive and use and don't forget you get 1 year free EV charging with it. That's worth a bit.
Not a Corsa, but a friend of mine got an MG4 pre-reg for under £20k this month. Running it for virtually nothing with a 3-pin home charger and 7 year warranty. I think any deal on an EV where you’ve got a huge chunk of the depreciation off and virtually new is a great deal.
The elephant in the room - PHEV sales April 22.1% and YTD 31.4%.
I myself have a PHEV and drive 99% in EV. I never have range anxiety, so understand why people are turning to PHEV’s.
Errr...Iphone can't run Windows. It *was* pretty much the first phone with a usable graphical full-screen touch screen.
Warwick is a lovely chap. Very sad the loss of his wife Sammy. She was a really nice and charming woman.
Photo-bombed by an Ewok (THE Ewok!)
I had to rewind to hear the figures as i was distracted by Warwick casually drinking his tasty beverage and side-eying Dave with a look of 'what on earth is this bloke doing?!?' 😂
So far, all legacy manufacturer attempts I've seen to bring EV prices closer to ICE equivalents have resulted in models with double-digit mile ranges. If that is what VW end up with, I don't think they'll see any better sales figures.
The only one I can find under 100 miles is Citroen Ami but that costs £7k new
I must correct you Dave. PWC (or indeed DT, KMPG etc) cant offer consultancy services to their Audit Client's. Once they are not their auditors ( banks, big corporates etc have to change Auditors every so often) they can, but not whilst they are their auditors.
Yes Paul you are correct. They cannot offer individual consultancy services to their clients but they are perfectly free to produce and release independent professional reports available to all, including their clients.
The ID3 is pretty much the same length as the Golf and is it's competitor within the VW brand - although it has almost the same interior volume as the Passat!
The problem with the ID3 (originally) is they had so many pre-orders for them, they needed to release it (even though the date had been extended somewhat) with poor software!
There were also some quality issues, such as cheaper plastics in the interior over what the Golf offered etc!
Many of us Golf drivers were looking forward to the ID3 but then we're disheartened by the product they released, which is why I went Korean and probably won't look back!?
There is a comparison to the Golf coming out, suggested as the ID2, it looks like a great car - hopefully the software is sorted out by then!
VW's range of EV's has other problems in the haptic button over use and the feeling that they were designed by accountants rather than the car mad engineers! The Golf, of course, being the original mass market quality hatchback and eventual hot hatch! The ID3 seemed somewhat soulless!?
Also, the only thing wrong with the compliance car e-Golf was it's smaller battery and slow charge rate with no proper thermal battery management!
Its software was fine. So why VW decided to go off on another tangent with the ID cars, is beyond me!?
Of course, this is broken Britain and we're out of the EU now, so anything €20k in Europe will cost £20k in the UK! There won't be an exchange rate lowering of the price!
Just about every EV based channel says about this £17k equivalent! I'm guessing they've never bought say, a bike costing upwards of 2 grand? It will be a price of say £2k, €2k and $2k!
I was thinking is that Mr Warwick.... It couldn't be.. Is it.... Then you mentioned its him. Absolutely love it. ❤
EV sales must be down in Norway - EVery human in Oslo has two Teslas, For Frunk Sake!
Coming back to your car with a coffee and a doughnut ..and there's some nutter with a notebook addressing the car park 😷 ... eventually you spot the camera 🤯 Lovely bloke Wawick ... as was his wife; sad but they have a good family too.
That nutter was already doing that when he arrived. He then went off to get his coffee and doughnuts. But yes, totally dominated my video. Maybe one day he will get as many viewers as I have ....ooops!
Good content overall. But you confused the Toyota European only sells with the global figure. Being the biggest car manufacturer, Toyota sells around a million cars every month worldwide. Much smaller brands like BMW and Mercedes (in terms of sells volume) - sell around 180 - 200,000 every month worldwide. EV's maybe the future and for a good reason, but the way they are forced with massive subsidies and restrictions for everything else, all for a very questionable CO2 emission war - that is what many people hate. If it were only for the clean air in cities - why they plan to ban Hybrids as well, which are pretty clean in cities? And much more straightforward and hassle-free vehicle to use.
😧15:51 2005?! 🤥 released in US 29/06/2007, wikipedia
I’m like who is that guy In The shot heheh that’s great truly funny just the way he wanders about. Right challenge for all mid famous British stars it get in on Dave takes it on videos. Let’s have Liam Neeson just glowering at you from the side in his Renault Zoe
Let me know where Liam will be and I'll go and get him on camera.
Dave you just missed an interview with the actor Warwick Davis in the white Tesla next to you .
Didn't you watch the whole video? Dave did mention having a chat with him off - camera......
@@Brian-om2hh i made the comment too soon
Yes, I did chat with him at length, off camera, but decided not to film or interview him. Should I?
@@davetakesiton it would have been interesting and a boost for the chanel
I think you’ll find BMW were one of the first legacy manufacturers ( along with Nissan) with the i3 which is still a very popular car, used today.
Nearly. The i3 launched in 2013, the Leaf in 2011 and the Zoe in 2012. Leaf sales to date around 700,000, Zoe sales to date over 300,000, BMW i3 sales to date just over 250,000. All are great small cars.
With Warwick, it looks like a comedy skit.
And what do you think of the new electric vehicle batteries that China are bringing out? They have Sodium Carbonate ion technology instead of Lithium Ion.
More drivel from Dave.
Nice to see Warwick getting on with life.
Warrick was like a moth to a candle with your camera, lol.
Of course second hand EV sales are up significantly. This is a market that was virtually non-existent 10 years ago, and only became a market to speak of in the last two years, as second hand EVs became available in any significant amount. And of course, the sudden rise in second hand EVs will have an impact on new EV sales. Imagine if that happened with ICE vehicles.
This shows that there Is Demand for EVs. It also shows that there is a demand for lower priced EVs which have been promised but scarcely delivered by manufacturers.
Manufacturers made a bunch of high end EVs, capturing a specific sector of buyer, but few have offered anything else. Some buyers have gone to the used market, but many more are still waiting on the long promised affordable EV. In the mean time, they are buying ICE and PHEV vehicles, further skewing the numbers.
As it happens, the ID.3 is golf-sized on the outside but with more passenger space on the inside because of the ev platform advantages.
Why do VW need to make a sub £20k car Dave? You're not going to buy one so why all the negativity? People who are brand loyal to VW just like Tesla fanboi's are unswervingly loyal to Tesla will buy ID.2's when they launch them so that's fine.
That Mic 2 is working so well. Brilliant report, better than the BBC would manage. Not that I can watch that if they did. Best Dave
The mic2 is a step up from the mic1. Really easy to edit in Resolve 18. Thanks for your support.
ID3 is Golf sized….ID4 is Tiguan sized. 🤦♂️
Dave, the ID3 is bigger than a Golf so your comparison is wrong. Similarly the ID4 is an SUV and is bigger than their Tiguan, which is their i.c. equivalent. 27k gets you a basic 1litre petrol Golf, if you wanted one with similar performance and equipment to an entry level ID3 you would probably spend similar money.
My point is it’s still 35% dearer but where is the basic no frills EV? Cheapest ice £20k cheapest EV £36k
True, although Citroen are trying with their Polo equivalent- the eC3 starts at 22k.
Most people dont know the CCP womt allow ICE vehicles to drive or be registered in 1st or 2nd tier cities. That is why EV regos are rising
Sorry Dave. I stopped listening when Warwick showed up!!! Total legend
Uk EV sales have stalled because early adopters and evengelicals now have EVs and the majority of the population dont want EVs because of all the inherent problems, cost, range, time, etc etc.
Plus manufacturers are backing out of EV sales because of the draconian fines government levy if they don't hit % sales.
Ha ha ha Warick steals the show !
Cool
Sorry Dave but you got this wrong , the ID3 is a golf equivalent. In fact internally the ID3 has more space. The ID4 is a big car and is more Passat size. Agree they were still too expensive but your reasoning is wrong.
VW Golf advertised at £27k today, ID3 advertised at £36k (+35%), Passat £38k ID4 £44k. Loads of ICE under £30k, Polo, Golf Tiguan, T Roc, Taiga. No EV under £36k. Better than Vauxhall with a nearer 100% hike, but all EVs are around +50% compared to equivalent ICE model. Peugeot 2008 ICE £24k EV £36k. Mercedes A class £32k EQA £50k. This is not right
@@davetakesitonThe real gap is smaller though, especially on the Stellantis cars. The new discounts on them are huge, on the ICE ones smaller so take probably more like 25% higher than ICE in the real world.
Still way too much though and we need to get to price parity in the next couple of years.
@@davetakesiton I was just pointing out you were comparing an ID3 to a Polo which is a bad comparison.
The Polo is a much smaller car and will be the equivalent of an ID2 when they eventually get around to producing it.
I do agree the list price disparity still exists between a Golf and ID3 although not as great as the comparison you make.
Apple launched the iPhone in 2007 not 2005.
I think Dave the UK growth is almost entirely propped up by Fleet sales thanks to more generous BIK offers.
It'll be interest how the 2nd hsnd market reacts to them when they land in a few years.
Not sure what your point is. Do you dismiss Ford sales if they are commercial? Used EV sales up 71% so really popular
@davetakesiton, surely the concern has to be whether fleet sales will continue at their current rate if they are facing 50-60% depreciation. If they start to scale back you then have lacklustre new sales which may push up 2nd hand values, making both unaffordable to a lot of people.
Makes no difference. Those fleet cars will still end up on the used market once the leases expire....
@@christopherstubbs8130 The whole car market place is foggy, never mind EV's.
I agree if the Chinese tsunami EV wave crashed into the UK / EV, its going to put a lot of new owners in the red from a depreciation perspective, including fleet.
2025 for the UK with roadtax and expensive car supplement isn't going to help too much either
Actually 2/3 of all new cars sold now are leased, so it’s also ICE cars ‘propped up by fleet sales’. The BIK issue only applies to company/salary sacrifice cars. It’s a myth that ‘all EV’s are company cars’, they aren’t.
71%😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Gloucester services...... overpriced but tasty sausage rolls.
Charged there the other day (non-Tesla but so easy with the Public Superchargers). Got to agree with you, nice place to stop but Services prices!
😳2:37 sorry Dave, you lost me at the MIDGET 🤣
I think you are to strong on your statements, rather than your view. According to you, you know more than Toyota. It is almost certain that all cars after 2035 will be EV, but in the interim EV are not perfect especially with regard to range and cost. Toyota by being heavy on Hybrids are buying themselves time to produce EV that are more acceptable and in the meantime are generating huge profits to fund the research and developments that are required to continue their No 1 spot
First 😂😅
Ev cars are overpriced (unions, red tape, greed, etc). Used Evs are closer to reality. In US used 22-23 Tesla 3 is 1/2 of the new price. Buy used, you have car for life.
Mechanics cost a fortune, ICE quality is terrible, and new car prices are out of reach for most americans.
Toyota at 300k vehicle sales worldwide for Q1 2024? What other figures are you deliberately misinforming your veiwers of?
That's what is on the Toyota website and their Q1 financial report. What do you think is the right number?
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Don't know where you got that number from but it is not from Toyota. Made up perhaps? 2023 sales totalled over 11 million. So if they only sold 300k worldwide in Q1 of 2024 then your prediction of their demise will be correct and soon. I do enjoy some of your videos and you are very vocal on misinformation and or disinformation by the anti EV YTubers and other media, however you seem to be no different in trying to push your agenda.
You do like to make things up….🤣
Warwick lol
Wow that dwarf wasn't being careful to not whack the model s with his door
He did not. Close but no dint.
Global EV sales has increased 22% this year, still rising. What about that??
That's largely China. EV market share has shrunk in the US meanwhile, and stagnating most other countries. And that's with massive price cuts for EVs that were overproduced and not selling.
You accuse others of cherry picking then you go and do the same thing. Your Tesla suits you, i drove a model s really really nice, so dont think i am an ev hater because i am. not. Well at least you provided an upside to hanging around a charging station better than stuffing yourself with cake and coffee 😊
Sorry, must take you to task, you are totally wrong, there is little out there that's better than stuffing yourself with cake and coffee. Plus over 1 million EV drivers chose EVs. Is that cherry picking?
He is quite a distraction.
You would do well to watch the latest Bjorn Nylan video, particularly the issue with used / failed battery packs. As opposed to there being demand for repurposing, there is actually a significant fee for disposal. Someone will have to bear these costs.
Bearing in mind he has over 1/3 million subscribers, could this dream all come crashing down before you even get to 10k?
You would do well to learn about the balanced picture......while being pro EV, he does at least show both sides of the coin.
You want me to give equal weight to Betamax and mobile phones that have no touch screens?
@@davetakesiton I said both sides of the coin - that isn't necessarily equal weight. It just means showing the other side.
You really are rather a sensitive little soul when it comes to constructive criticism. Is that your Tesla shares talking?
What could come all crashing down? EV adoption? The electrification of transport is unstoppable.
@@crm114. I'm not sure the child will ever swim unaided......... currently struggling with large buoyancy aids.
@@BROOMEngineeringTMIET Oh really, the China market seems to be doing quite well. Not a single car manufacturer on the planet is currently developing a new platform based on an ICE. All EV. Battery technology is currently progesssing at phenomenal speed which will fuel price parity and EV adoption.
Dave,
you post a lot of pro EV car videos on here.
Would you kindly explain why you think they are so good? Personally I think they are dreadful so persuade me otherwise.
I fill my battery while I sleep for £6 and can drive 250 miles. Equivalent petrol car has to drive to a garage, costs around £110 to fill and can drive around 600 miles.
@@davetakesiton
is that it?
You are happy to pay a premium for a car that is cheaper to run. How many miles a year do you do?
Unless you are claiming a government business bribe to lease your car the economics don't add up.
@@iareid8255He’s not ‘paying a premium’ as you put it, he bought the Model S used and probably at a similar price to any other used Executive car. Then you look at what it’s costing him to run it - absolute peanuts compared to a petrol or diesel and you see why. If that doesn’t suit you or fit with what you need from a car that’s fine, there is absolutely no pressure to get an EV.
All this panic about them immediately replacing ICE cars is nonsense - it will be 20 years before most people are affected. In the meantime if Dave and others who like EV’s want to make a Channel, well good for them,. If it’s not your cup of tea,there are many, many non-EV channels out there.
Ted,
are you now telling me that an ev and a comparable specification ic engined car are the same price?
Also factor in the fuel duty that has to be eventually recovered from driving an ev.
My fundamental objection is the mistaken idea that they will reduce CO2 emissions, the primary reason that governments want to eliminate fossil fuelled cars.