2024 GWM Tank 500 off-road review & POV test drive

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  • Опубліковано 24 лис 2024

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  • @stendecstretcher5678
    @stendecstretcher5678 4 місяці тому +9

    Would be ideal for the school run in the burbs. Excellent review once again.

  • @capybarasaresick
    @capybarasaresick 4 місяці тому +8

    Enjoying the POV reviews Brett!

  • @jasonschofield37
    @jasonschofield37 4 місяці тому +3

    love that stretch of road down mittagong we used to live there at alpine.

  • @351tgv
    @351tgv 4 місяці тому +8

    Just on manufacture making a Hybrid Petrol for "performance" Toyota did say that for the Tundra as a way to change peoples perception/ expectations that the "Hybrid" tech would be there to help with fuel consumption, even the F150 in the North American market with twin turbo petrol / hybrid tech is more geared towards reducing turbo lag off the line than outright fuel economy.
    GWM doing the same thing here but with a less well executed implementation

  • @RodneyW
    @RodneyW 4 місяці тому +6

    Great review - highlighting a few areas that others do not. At the price, expectations of a great performance on and off road are fair. The technology should obey the driver, not the other way round! The biggest concern is the inconsistent acceleration and braking, combined with the heavy fuel consumption. A driver needs to be able to predict what the car will do with confidence.

    • @jeremyyang9895
      @jeremyyang9895 4 місяці тому

      As mentioned in the video, do 5-10 continuous test in a row in acceleration and deceleration. Which is the better way to prove the statement…

  • @warrenpitt6205
    @warrenpitt6205 2 місяці тому +1

    Another stellar review.

  • @351tgv
    @351tgv 4 місяці тому +3

    Great review Bret, I agree about ADAS, pain in the backside.
    Might I suggest you find a new "off road" track for a while as the locals are probably pissed that there service access road is being ripped apart and they either council or "locals" are trying to keep it from being cut up badly, I know out north west NSW that the farmers up on certain flood by-pass dirt roads hate it when they have to fix the roads after heavy rain which is why they corrugate then (make them bumpy as hell) to drive on.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +6

      Thanks mate.
      It's a state forest. These roads aren't access roads - a lot of them pretty much lead to nowhere.
      It is difficult to find a decent 4x4 track these days and I understand it's because there are a few that ruin it for everyone by dumping rubbish and cars, and destroying tracks etc. But I honestly don't think this loop would interrupt many people at all, hence why I use it. Hope that makes sense.

    • @351tgv
      @351tgv 4 місяці тому

      @@drivingenthusiastaustralia - fair enough, I know the location re: Up north in Newcastle *wink*wink* anyway, I would have you on the farm but the insurance rates would be awful and its 8 hours north west from Sydney metro and yeah I doubt you want to travel 1,500km round trip to do video review work.
      Just on that secrete location ... I was there a few weeks ago with the Everest and it was not as bad as you last two videos.

  • @Jarbom123
    @Jarbom123 3 місяці тому +1

    Driving good but The views of road 🛣️❤❤

  • @RohediEdi-dn4uy
    @RohediEdi-dn4uy 4 місяці тому +5

    5 star ANCAP ' I think is good.

  • @ThomasFG
    @ThomasFG 4 місяці тому +2

    Should have tested the Ssangyong Rexton with the IronMan suspension option vs the stock tune.

  • @mayormsuthu1465
    @mayormsuthu1465 4 місяці тому +3

    Its interior design looks way better than Isuzu mux, Toyota fortuner,Ford Everest and Mitsubishi pajero. The Chinese are swiftly creeping into the market very well and will soon be the best at much affordable prices.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +2

      @@mayormsuthu1465 Yep, agree. If they can fix the many calibration issues; safety tech, gearbox, engine inconsistencies, and if they can build up dealer networks and a solid service and warranty reputation.

  • @Hunter-ow9ir
    @Hunter-ow9ir 4 місяці тому +1

    Would like to see a comparison review of all 2024 7 seater off-road SUV’s with similar specs below $100k drive away price in Australia.

  • @bruce7890
    @bruce7890 4 місяці тому

    Lexus GS 430 was a hybrid V6 designed to use the hybrid battery to generate V8 performance... And then there's all the Supercar stuff from Italy but that's a whole other conversation!

  • @DJ-qu4gl
    @DJ-qu4gl 4 місяці тому +3

    Nice, where abouts was the off-road section filmed? Scenery looks great.

    • @351tgv
      @351tgv 4 місяці тому +1

      up north somewhere, ... seriously though I've been there nothing special to it, but it is fun but way to short.
      If you are Sydney based the two best "free" areas are Bangor pass (off Heathcoat Road) but I think these days they (who ever they are) get pissed if you enter access roads, the other one is west at Mt Victoria (Great Western Highway side) or from the other side on Mount Evans (Bells Pass) side.
      If you want fast free flowing dirt roads with corrugations just keep heading west to Mount Lambie / Medlow Bath (or is it heath I forget which one) and go into the state forests but beware there could be people with "R-Rated" licence permits (re: hunters), also the further west you go the more awesome tracks there are, also forget about Lighow Power lines, to many wanna be's with jacked up Hilux's there getting bogged and being pulled out by Patrols.

    • @DJ-qu4gl
      @DJ-qu4gl 4 місяці тому

      @@351tgv Awesome, thanks for the information!

  • @jeremyyang9895
    @jeremyyang9895 4 місяці тому +4

    Carexpert did the off-road test for both cars, interesting to see the triton behaved much worse than the tank 500 in their tests…even worse than the old triton.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +6

      @@jeremyyang9895 They also have GWM display ads running on their site…

    • @jeremyyang9895
      @jeremyyang9895 4 місяці тому +2

      And in their test, 4H mode on tank 500 is not as good as Auto mode or mud mode. It will be better to have rear diff lock on when in 4H mode. Their video shows how slow the triton got 4H engaged. Both reviews noticed the traction control was on when 4L engaged on tank500/cannon alpha.

    • @jeremyyang9895
      @jeremyyang9895 4 місяці тому +3

      @@drivingenthusiastaustraliaI don’t think it is worth for them to cheat on the results. They were also invited to the Triton launch venue…

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +2

      @@jeremyyang9895 Launch events are not usually paid things. Although they generally pay for flights and accommodation in a nice hotel.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +3

      @@jeremyyang9895 I wouldn’t be surprised. Have you read their recent review of the 500? It smells like an advertorial, with weird contradictions throughout.

  • @perpetualgrin5804
    @perpetualgrin5804 4 місяці тому +1

    Having never been in a truck amazed how high you sit, seems like it will roll. 😅

  • @SavageTechAustralia
    @SavageTechAustralia 2 місяці тому +1

    Omg the Triton guy they there easier lol mate I've taken a tank 500 up beer o'clock hill. I've never seen a Triton even make it half way up lol
    Tank 500 will run rings against anything in this category. Auto mode is the best model for 4h

  • @mraduldhakar8406
    @mraduldhakar8406 4 місяці тому +3

    Looks like you haven’t reduced the tyre pressures mate, hence bogging down. Also can’t expect too much traction on highway tyres Michelin. Overall good car

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +6

      @@mraduldhakar8406 Yeah, I don’t usually let tyres down because I want to see how factory vehicles cope in factory trim. That’s the same with all cars that I test (except on sand). Of course it will go further, but it will go further with other mods/tweaks as well.
      This uses Giti tyres not Michelin.
      Overall, I disagree. This is not a “good”car. For $74,000 you could get a similar package from a more reputable brand, using a tried and tested powertrain that’s also more fuel efficient than this confused and heavy hybrid system.
      Judging by previous GWM models and used prices, the resale on this would be poor as well, in comparison to Ford Everest, Isuzu MU-X, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport, and Toyota Fortuner. All available from a similar price to this.
      This brand is getting there, for sure. To think how far it has come in just a few years, it is amazing. It has a great interior and technology too, as mentioned in the video.

    • @mahcooharper9577
      @mahcooharper9577 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@drivingenthusiastaustralia agree, for how underdone it is and the likely lifespan and resale value it's too expensive. And as mentioned, for a hybrid the fuel consumption is atrocious

    • @TheAkshatkalra
      @TheAkshatkalra 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@drivingenthusiastaustraliaall the other brands you mentioned here..at this price $74,000 they are giving their base models with half of the features this GWM Tank 500 offering..so if you want a full loaded features like this with those brands..then need to spend around 120K. Now see the price difference here, that sums up your resale value issue here too..saving 40-50K upfront so no need to worry about resale price.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  3 місяці тому

      @@TheAkshatkalra That’s incorrect. A Mitsubishi Pajero Sport, Isuzu MU-X and Toyota Fortuner are all priced very close to this, some actually cheaper.

    • @TheAkshatkalra
      @TheAkshatkalra 3 місяці тому +2

      @@drivingenthusiastaustralia that i know but they are the base models. Tell me are they offering the same full loaded features that this GWM TANK 500 ULTRA HYBRID is offering in their cheaper base models ? Sure not because they are the BASE MODELS with half of the features as compared to GWM TANK 500 ULTRA HYBRID. So if we need this many features in those brands that you mentioned..we need to select the TOP SPEC model of those brands..and they are 20k-30k-40k expensive than this. So you are saving upfront $ now with TOP SPEC FEATURES..so there is no sense of worrying about the resale value now.

  • @hunterhomeservicesracing6453
    @hunterhomeservicesracing6453 4 місяці тому +1

    We can only blame the government for the new emissions rules ,would of loved the v6
    But look at the new Toyotas coming out

  • @cybermatstrikes7557
    @cybermatstrikes7557 4 місяці тому

    Interested in the Canon Alpha with the 2.4 Diesel. I was hoping the hybrid would give the Tank 500 a better range without duel fuel tanks - sounds like hybrid doesn't cut it.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +4

      @@cybermatstrikes7557 Review of the Alpha coming very soon. Both 2.4 and hybrid.
      Yeah I’m not impressed by this hybrid setup. Battery is too small and the e-motor is too powerful.
      The 2.4 is quiet and smooth, if a little lacking for power and torque.
      Video coming this week.

  • @rockycheny5437
    @rockycheny5437 4 місяці тому

    8.5 seconds for the 0-100 dash is not bad!

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому

      Not for 255kW. Even with that weight.

    • @clintonmorris1945
      @clintonmorris1945 4 місяці тому +1

      Other review channels repeatedly got 6.93 0-100

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@clintonmorris1945 I'm not sure how that's possible, especially "repeatedly" considering this battery is only 1.76kWh and the e-motor is a whopping 78kW - the battery is flat after one run.
      That would be well under GWM's claim of 8.3s as well. What timing equipment is being used on these other channels?

    • @clintonmorris1945
      @clintonmorris1945 4 місяці тому +1

      @@drivingenthusiastaustralia
      They use a race box advanced. They got 6.97 first run and 6.93 the second run. They used launch control.
      I do realise it's under GWMs claim. Just stating what they got.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому

      @@clintonmorris1945 Fair enough. I tried my best and got 7.71 seconds. I did 5 runs.

  • @ronnel1227
    @ronnel1227 4 місяці тому

    more options the expert mode at least 5 more
    you will find the TC on and off. and customise some more

  • @josephdignam123
    @josephdignam123 4 місяці тому +2

    It gives the Manufacture an additional tick when they go for the safety test.
    And we have seen various vehicles pass with flying colors due to the mediocre tech, yet they failed a fundamentals impact test completely …
    Don’t trust ANCAP

  • @orangejuicepony6881
    @orangejuicepony6881 4 місяці тому +1

    My GWM Cannon has the option to leave the self steering on full time, its WAY better with it on, I miss it when I get back in my Hilux for work.

  • @ernishant13
    @ernishant13 Місяць тому

    Whats the output of Aircon Problem mate?

  • @ishaqthkr
    @ishaqthkr 4 місяці тому +6

    I hate all these techs to "ASSIST DRIVERS" when they actually do the opposite, don't people know how to driver cars without assistance?

    • @andrewstewart1644
      @andrewstewart1644 4 місяці тому

      They are needed to achieve a 5 star safety rating.

    • @ishaqthkr
      @ishaqthkr 4 місяці тому +1

      @@andrewstewart1644 they should hand over 1 star driving certificate with it😂

    • @MikeJones-mz5ig
      @MikeJones-mz5ig 4 місяці тому

      Yanking the steering is common on many cars. You need to get out more.

    • @rogersliu1200
      @rogersliu1200 4 місяці тому

      @@MikeJones-mz5ig and people need to use the indicator when changing lane LOL

    • @MikeJones-mz5ig
      @MikeJones-mz5ig 4 місяці тому

      Not required on BMW's. Apparently. ​@@rogersliu1200

  • @351tgv
    @351tgv 4 місяці тому

    well well well someone bought one (dealership demo with 1,800km) and within 3 days what happened?
    Engine crapped the bed and GWM are playing hardball on warranty.
    Owner was towing at well within limits and the engine up on great West Highway at just before Katoomba went kaboom bang bang and stopped, luckily they were in left lane when it happened, got out popped bonnet and yep the turbo shat it pants.
    Looks like the impala turbine split and went back into exhaust port and into the bores, enoscope shows serious damage to all 4 bores, pistons and valves.
    coolant in the bores which also suggest the head warped from the heat so probably blown head gasket.
    Owner called me up to take tow his caravan back to Sydney home while they waited for two truck to take it back to dealership.
    dealership has been good to deal with (gave the owner a Cannon ute loan vehicle, note: turbo diesel, as the tank 500 is turbo petrol / hybrid) ) but GWM playing hard ball, looks like they have no engines in their supply warehouse.
    The owner is pissed and will likely sell this piece of crap once GWM honour the warranty claim.

    • @Ov3RFLoW88
      @Ov3RFLoW88 4 місяці тому

      you sure the car brand is not Range Rover? coz it sounds like a Range Rover to me 🤣

    • @ashcosmo3854
      @ashcosmo3854 Місяць тому +2

      The same can literally happen to any brand.. just google blown turbo Hilux, Ranger etc. Anecdotes don't really make for a great generalisation against a brand.

  • @sandyhunter3948
    @sandyhunter3948 4 місяці тому +1

    Looks a lot sloppier than when you took the triton through.

  • @martinbrand7514
    @martinbrand7514 2 місяці тому

    21:26 isn’t it the electric motors?

  • @mymingyen
    @mymingyen 4 місяці тому +6

    Feel they (Tank) is a smidge out of touch. They do not appeal to the market. Too high a price (to try and be premium?) too much tech and gimmick? Long term reliability is going to be questionable - big car with 2litre lump. It feels like things are placed at the limit. Would love to see how these vehicles pan out over a longer time horizon. Kind of wish they just did a new designed H9 - robust, simple but more efficient. Less bells and whistles. Fair priced, well built, easy to maintain.

    • @Paradoxical124
      @Paradoxical124 4 місяці тому +1

      100%. I’d rather spend a little more money and get less gimmicks for a trusted and proven alternative.

    • @michaelcampbell4990
      @michaelcampbell4990 4 місяці тому +1

      Problem is that 99% of customers are going to be well-to-do Chinese suburban families who will never take it off road and probably put 20,000 KMs on it before they sell it because they don't want to be seen in last year's model. Buyers in Australia who might actually want a practical 4WD to keep for 10+ years are so far down the list.

  • @stevens.2574
    @stevens.2574 4 місяці тому +1

    More imported junk, tech tech and more tech seems to be the main focus with all these new shitboxes dumped in Australia, do a 12 month review of the same vehicle and let's see the issues, love your channel by the way.

    • @MikeJones-mz5ig
      @MikeJones-mz5ig 4 місяці тому

      I can give you a ten year review. No issues.

    • @michellet2890
      @michellet2890 4 місяці тому

      Imported junk. Yet Australians can’t even build a car 😂

    • @ashcosmo3854
      @ashcosmo3854 Місяць тому

      Imported junk lmao remind us again how great the Aussie car manufacturing was.

    • @MikeJones-mz5ig
      @MikeJones-mz5ig Місяць тому

      Sorry. I couldn't wait to get out of a Caprice. ​@@ashcosmo3854

  • @ernishant13
    @ernishant13 Місяць тому

    Thats why i dont buy Demo cars :P

  • @2000PechiKrishnanTN
    @2000PechiKrishnanTN 3 місяці тому +1

    Needle to aircraft only. China.

  • @andrewd7586
    @andrewd7586 4 місяці тому +1

    The so called hi tech intervention is more like hi tech interference! I’ve got a 2017 Skoda Superb Sportline & thank god I can turn off all so called gadgets. The best part is once off, they stay off indefinitely! Car companies need to ditch huge bloody screens with all controls inbuilt & have common sense tactile switches & buttons. I’ve vented!🙏🏻😵‍💫🤪🤣

  • @davidmatthews5563
    @davidmatthews5563 4 місяці тому +9

    Stop comparing it to the triton. Not apples for apples in regards to tyres

    • @stendecstretcher5678
      @stendecstretcher5678 4 місяці тому +2

      Goon.

    • @retepelyod
      @retepelyod 4 місяці тому +4

      Good one mate, do you think he doesn’t know that. Are you watching the whole video or just in for the negativity.

    • @shaun1900
      @shaun1900 4 місяці тому +4

      He’s been testing them both over the past few days so it’s fair to compare experiences.

    • @retepelyod
      @retepelyod 4 місяці тому +2

      @@shaun1900 I agree.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +7

      @@davidmatthews5563 Technically, the Triton underpins the Pajero Sport, and the Pajero Sport is a direct competitor to this.
      But if you watch the whole review you’ll see I mention the Triton mainly in reference to the conditions. It has a 3500kg towing capacity but this does not - if I was doing a proper comparison I would have mentioned this and many other differences.

  • @malsmith2012
    @malsmith2012 4 місяці тому

    Chasing cars got low 7's to 100.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +2

      Out of how many runs? My best was 7.71s out of 5 runs. But I experienced concerning inconsistency, with some runs returning a best of 8.7s. It all depends on the battery SOC with this one, which is weird as most hybrids (non-PHEVs) return very consistent results in my experience.

    • @351tgv
      @351tgv 4 місяці тому +1

      Tom baker is a great person but when he sold his review site to that insurance company well ... anyway.

    • @malsmith2012
      @malsmith2012 4 місяці тому +1

      @@drivingenthusiastaustralia not quite sure mate.. Wasn't having a go or being negative in any way just wanted to let you know..

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +1

      @@malsmith2012 Me either mate. Was just replying what I got in case you didn’t see the results in the previous video etc.

    • @Mr11ESSE111
      @Mr11ESSE111 4 місяці тому

      better tires

  • @Mr11ESSE111
    @Mr11ESSE111 4 місяці тому +1

    for 74000 australian dollars in you can get maybe Passat 2.0 tdi 150 EU spec caravan

  • @naashuman5503
    @naashuman5503 4 місяці тому +1

    Straight out of China 🇨🇳 😂

  • @meltroyable
    @meltroyable 3 місяці тому +1

    I reckon I’d rather one of these over a 300 series very overpriced and overrated Toyota

    • @RedDog-e7v
      @RedDog-e7v 18 днів тому

      Landcrusiers are cheap to buy, just say you can’t afford it next time

  • @mrkring1526
    @mrkring1526 4 місяці тому +7

    What a hunk of junk. Arrogantly priced and you can tell long term reliability will be foul.

  • @kartdoe
    @kartdoe 4 місяці тому +6

    This review smells like a load of crap.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +7

      @@kartdoe Gee, another sensitive GWM owner. You really can’t say one bad thing about a GWM can you? Yet, if I criticise a Toyota, nobody (including owners) care. Tells you a lot about the company doesn’t it. Guilt, maybe?

    • @kartdoe
      @kartdoe 4 місяці тому +4

      @drivingenthusiastaustralia Sad to see you assume I am a GWM owner. I watched both Triton and Tank review back to back and clearly. Couldn't help but laugh at your efforts 🤣 to criticise the tank, whereas the Triton has the same problem. Good on you 👏 for bringing attention to GWM products.

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  4 місяці тому +4

      Triton has the same problem? With what?

    • @351tgv
      @351tgv 4 місяці тому

      @@kartdoe - I am not going to defend Bret here, but this is what I was told by now 5 car dealerships that are selling GWM products:
      "they do not want them on their car lots", GWM are paying their dealerships to register the cars and them off load them with factory incentives some up to get this $15,000 discounts to move them.
      Once the "factory" starts to do these incentive deals the product they re selling is virtual going be a waste of money to buyers on resale, no dealership wants them in their used car lots either and some reports are that dealerships are low balling customers on resale by up to 50%. the wholesale market does not them either, way to hard to move on, tat does not apply to GWM, it applies to MG, LDV any thing from China (which is sad as they do make good products) but cars/trucks? nope not worth wasting your money them just yet, maybe 10 years time but not today.
      dealerships have been burnt from the crap that Haval, GWM / MG / LDV and other brands have been shovelling for years, I nor anyone cant make this up, seriously, I know it hurts you to read this.
      As for the Tank 300, 500, H6, Jolion, Ultra (the coupe jakked H6), look at the resale numbers, they do not lie.

    • @josephdignam123
      @josephdignam123 4 місяці тому +1

      ⁠​⁠@@kartdoeyou should firstly take a breath, re-watch both reviews from start to finish so you understand the context and then come back with something a bit more constructive?
      Remembering of course how easy posting videos online is (to the people who would never even consider doing it themselves!)

  • @IamKhwezi
    @IamKhwezi 3 місяці тому

    That is not a car for OFF ROADING!!!! 🙄💁‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
    WHY OFF ROAD with such a car?

  • @daletroy3348
    @daletroy3348 3 місяці тому +1

    You seem to not like Chinese cars , you seem negative in a lot of your reviews so I won’t bother with you anymore

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  3 місяці тому

      Ok no worries. You obviously don't understand how a review works so you're probably best to simply read the brochure or watch GWM ads - they will give you all the positivity you need.
      PS. I never mentioned it was Chinese.

  • @reubentshangela6661
    @reubentshangela6661 3 місяці тому

    YOU have an ISSUE with the vehicle... You have sn attitude my guy!!!!!!! Pre-louded problem... You just dont like the car!!!!

    • @drivingenthusiastaustralia
      @drivingenthusiastaustralia  3 місяці тому

      Thanks for your feedback.
      Sorry to confuse you. This wasn't a paid commercial - it's a review (it includes positive and negative feedback).
      Obviously you own one or you work for GWM, and that's fine. My opinion is that it's not very good and needs more work.
      But to sooth your disappointment, please feel free to list all of things that you like about it.

  • @Mr11ESSE111
    @Mr11ESSE111 4 місяці тому +2

    all this cars which you compare looks like barn inside in compare to this Tank 500 and they are smaller too in size while here you get size of x7 bmw

    • @tzeshenlim
      @tzeshenlim 4 місяці тому

      Barn owner review?

    • @Mr11ESSE111
      @Mr11ESSE111 4 місяці тому

      @@tzeshenlim toyota or ford barn?

    • @tzeshenlim
      @tzeshenlim 4 місяці тому

      @@Mr11ESSE111 to me Toyota at least relocated to barn design

    • @Mr11ESSE111
      @Mr11ESSE111 4 місяці тому

      @@tzeshenlim but prices are not barn ones then from Villa ones

    • @tzeshenlim
      @tzeshenlim 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Mr11ESSE111 reviewer expected half Toyota price but better then Toyota?