What Happens When Unknowing Subjects Are Given Magic Mushrooms
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I do 3.5 g of mushrooms every 6 months to reboot my brain.
I did this recently for the first time, I will say it was the most beautiful and amazing thing I have ever felt. My spiritual being opened up to the earth. I saw portals, the stars dancing, aliens and I saw the realm of heaven. I for once was not sad but an overwhelming sense of happiness that filled my entire body. It's something that I'll never forget.
After my trip on shrooms I felt so safe and supported. It was amazing
Taking shrooms was 100% one of the most important experiences in my life. Everything has changed since my trip - I perceive things differently.
Been searching for a place to get some but seem abortive, how did you get yours
doctor.otey
20:00 this reminds me of when I was a child I was afraid there was a monster under the bed. I looked down and saw a hand and decided punched it. Nothing but rug. I learned to confront fear instead of running from it.
I did the same but I was hearing ghost yelling but I yelled louder to afraid him!
Thank god it didn't say "ow!" 😂
Advising patients to approach demons with curiosities is a very very fine line. My ayahuasca experience had great lessons, yes. But it was the most terrifying thing I ever experienced. Truly makes you question the reality and harsh truth of what those entities are and while he says they cannot harm you physically.. my oh my is that naïve, it can leave lasting affects. Some believe permanently, and possessively.
absolutely
Dr Peterson. You are "the best among us". We continue to learn from you on a daily basis and only pray to achieve a modicum of your integreity, in our lifetimes. You are stronger and wiser than most of us combined and we only hope that we can bring forth a pinch of what you express that we each can achieve, on our own. The ultimate love for you and yours.
among us? kinda sus
@@yeckio You think he's not human?
@@Ca55perit’s a Among Us game meme, he’s not saying anything bad
yikes
@@starscream007 Thanks for clarifying :)
Mr Peterson, Thankyou thanks and Ta for everything you do to make the world feel a little softer. love from Australia
Life is not about FEELINGS
This was great! Would love to see the whole conversation!
Psychedelics will never bring forth something that was never there to begin with. The best protection against bad experiences is self knowledge. False self knowledge is what tears some people who trip to pieces!
The world is not a place to laugh and have fun, we are in a test, of course it has its troubles, we bear it with patience, we are grateful for its good aspects. In Islam, patience is very important to be thankful to people, to do good to people, to ask for help with prayers. In Islam, Allah is one and He is omnipotent, you can ask for help from Him at any time, and Allah is compassionate
@@Liberalllbty Allah is bullcrap. the only compassion you have is a comfortable lie
You are right. There were evil spirits which I was manifesting until I brought them out on a trip and from that day forward I have been sober and found God again. I was in living hell for 6 months on my death bed. I didn’t eat for a month and cried out to God and read his word all day everyday for three months until he started to show me signs.
You mean ego death. People often experience a massive ego death because mushrooms bring to the service hard truths most people don’t want to acknowledge about themselves.
@@skeelatheskink8724 yes.
Well, the first rule of administering or taking these substances is that you NEVER administer these substances to someone without their knowledge. Period. Cheers.
Yes. It’s an abuse of pharmacology.
Why didn't you notice that the subjects were informed, did choose to take psilocybin, just didn't know which drug they took was psilocybin?
@@robertwilliams7777 Probably because they read the title but didn't watch the video.
Listen to the podcast. They did.
I'm not sure why this is interesting to me , but I feel that it is important to understand.
Every time I listen to jp I get so many questions I’d want ask his thoughts on. It’s frustrating sometimes!
On one occasion I perceived that the bio-film on the Earth was conscious and we were nothing more than one of it's sense organs. Because the elements that come from super nova and such are kind of unique depending on the supernova like fingerprints, it then dawned on me that consciousness might be in the water. The H2O would have been floating in space for billions of years with the other elements created by the super nova/novae before coalescing into the current solar system we live in. It also dawned on me that the bio-film wanted us to expand off the Earth as it's eggs to carry life and consciousness to the rest of the universe. Looking outward at the natural world I seemed to perceive a purplish aura coming from the entirety. It was hiding itself from us because It was using us to perceive individualized free will from different viewpoints. There is much more, but that was the gist of that trip.
Thirty percent bad trips is wildly high in the field. Classical music might be the reason - it's often very anxious in character. I disagree with JBP that most classical is like religous music. Trance/space music is much closer to the transcendental religous music traditions than European Classical. Go search popular culture for tripping music (even here) and see what is actually used. I can't imagine trying to deal with Tchkovsky in that state!
The notion that demons are only aspects of one's consciousness ignores the possibility that they are in fact real and separate entities in their own right. I'm disappointed that this is ignored or dismissed by both the researcher and Dr Peterson.
Yup. It took me a long time to realize that my demons weren't just in my head.
Galatians 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions." The Greek word translated as 'witchcraft' is "pharmakeia" from which we get our word 'pharmacy.' Taking drugs to have congress with demons is as old as the Bible. But ' "pharmakeia" also has positive connotations. And Paul did advise Timothy to use a little wine for his stomach problems. The point is getting in touch with demons is a sinful thing.
Belief in demons is a neurotic way to approach the deeper structures of the mind and the images it can bring up in order to communicate with us. I'd assume these gentlemen would be more concerned with the reification of unconscious image constructs than with the existence of spooks themselves.
also, the analogy of resonance, if u lean a standard tuned guitar in a corner & play music on a radio thru loudspeakers, the EADGBE strings of the guitar will vibrate/resonate
when like notes (& their octaves) play thru the speakers.
likewise, if/when a person is thinking/imagining dark thoughts & imagery, that would resonate with the vibrations of /from all other like thought forms &/or entities, imaginings, imagery & intentions.
hence the advice to pray unceasingly, & question the thoughts we think, [the voice(s) in the head] imagery & intentions, & not just blindly be lie ve what a thought says or obey it
if it's not true and for the highest good and not at war with what's true but to be at peace with what's true.
That’s the problem with materialists. They have no idea what they are dealing with. And there isn’t even a good excuse because the historical use of these chemicals is completely intertwined with spirits and sorcery.
And thousands of years of story centered around supernatural experiences, turns out to all be psychological manifestations? Even the native Indians, who Dr. Peterson has been invited to participate in religious ceremony with, elucidate that you are very much encountering multidimensional beings most being very dangerous. This is stubborn reductionism of things of which our puny understanding has perceived “through a glass darkly”
How can it be legal to give an unknowing subject anything, let alone hard drugs that can do permanent damage?
One more thing.. IF PEOPLE DON’T LEARN THEY ARE MADE OF LIGHT SO THEY CAN OVER COME THE DARK TOGETHER IN THIS WORLD.. WELL THE THOUGHT OF THAT SCARES ME.!
I like both speakers very much 😊
How does he know the demon is just a cognitive construct?
We have decades of clinical research. If you were sober and said you saw a demon, would it be true, or is it a delusion?
Psychedelics aren't magic.
When people start to believe what they see under the influence, I would question what they feel the need to believe that.
his apriory assumptions.
Awesome discussion. Love to see and be apart of a second psychedelic renaissance. Hopefully this time we can integrate it into our society in a healthy and balanced way.
Aren't mushroom legal in California?
foolio, these are not the answers nor the way to 'spiritual enlightenment'.. any peace or insight they sporadically offer on a hit and miss basis are just the bait to reel ppl in..
stay sober and vigilant, for the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour
@@logosfocus I'd say it's telling the researcher says you should engage with the demon, he says you should investigate and be open. He's clearly been touched by dark spirits.
Many people are quite upset about the ignorance of the participants in the trial. I find it interesting that people believe caring is exhibited in consent while what should be given significantly more weight is the help that was provided in preperation and during the trial.
Preparing patients with the correct mindstate for this experience and having counsel on hand during the experience are also done by legal clinics and I believe it is a very important detail. It is easy to imagine an individual with a poor mindset of confronting demons and a lack of support during the experience to be much more likely to either come out with less gained or even making backwards progress.
It is unfortunate that this side was not explored as having a poor set of preperations could give quite a bit of more insight on psychedelics. Although, this seems less ethical regardless of the ignorance of the patient.
P.S. Does anyone know of modern studies that relate to the philosophical analysis JP does?
Centuries ago people knew things, that modern doctors are having a hard time comprehending, and their research should be looking at historical use. People who want to try things will. Free choice and awareness.
Have you tried Red Saffron? Has been compared to Ritalin. I have enjoyed pleasant experiences after lightly browning it into a recipe like building up a spaghetti sauce. Only need a small pinch. Garlic is a natural Antibiotic and Curry/Cumin browned in also is very medicinal. Turmeric is very important. There are many that I/we have neglected which can help healing. Exercise in fresh air is great. Best of health to you! 🙏
Have you ever considered prayer.........in order to have a spiritual experience doctor's ?
Deep meditation can do this, but it takes many years if not decades to experience such things. The Drs are talking about clinical work.
Who on earth in their right mind would want to take drugs in order to have a frightening experience?
someone who wished to expand their understanding of reality and consciousness perhaps ?
@@jeffgarmon1that seems to describe an adrenaline rush .. i have found that hallucinogens have a lot more depth to them than that
I am more concerned with the objective outcome of these experiences. Whether or not the person thinks the experience was positive, how does this actually change their life and relationships with others.
As someone who grows and takes high doses I have no fing clue honestly
@@sadhu7191 What I want to know is what other people think of you, not what you think of yourself.
In my experience, those who use mushrooms imagine that they are benefitted by its use, but from my perspective, they are actually worse off.
@theodoreturner5567 not money or job wise but those that do high dose 10 grams and higher dry a month then they I would assume 80% try to quit smoking and eat more thoughtfully. I know low dose are great for inflammation for old folk
@@theodoreturner5567 but a high dose guy once told me u can still be an asshole taking high doses
Jordan should also interview Rick Strassman regarding his DMT study at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine in 1990.
good science there, exploring the division between mind and matter, or 'natural versus supernatural', like the wave-particle duality of light
Ive got severe akathisia..probably med damage. I'm tempted in desperation to try psychoactive dose of psilocybin.
I like JP when he talks about self-help and psychology. I wish he never got heavily involved in politics. He would still have a massive audience without it.
I took psychedelics but never saw any demons dragons or monsters.
What was the outcome of the study? Where do I see the rest?
Objects you approach become smaller and you become bigger as you approach them.. if you run away the opposite happens..
I had a study myself. when i was 18, now i am 40, you could just buy magic mushrooms in almost every head shop in germany. they were not realy forbidden. and my friend and i had no idea what we bought. so we overdosed on it like 10x the dose you should take. "how strong can it be if it is sold in a shop" and no internett to check. but it went out fine. and some years ago we had some kind of legal LSD in germany and my sisters husband told me and my cousin " you have to take 2x the amount to feel something" he was an idiot. we had a 10h trip what was much heavier then old School LSD but it also went out fine. has someone talked to the victims of the U.S.A. government MK Ultra jet? i bet they are fine too.
I think this is the most appropriate place to talk about this. I am going through really hard times with my wife. When I say hard most people would need plenty of sessions with a therapist or just quit overall. But the only solution I see to this moment I am writing this is physidelics. Dive deep into our minds and find a solution if any. Would anyone mind sharing thoughts about this? Dr. Peterson would be more than great but I doubt that would happen so I know "us" our followers may have some kind of suggestion. Thank you in advance.
Thinking it'll take a lot of sessions with a therapist is not necessarily true. If you are both prepared to do the work and humble yourselves you'll be ok.
I agree with the above comment completely. If there is hope for you two then you will somehow find a way to start a session. It's going to be on the person who has taken more of the damage to agree to go, if they agree then there is a chance. If you are ready to be humbled and truly want to change for the better then it doesn't take as many sessions as you think. Be patient. This experience has recently happened to me but before that I wouldn't have thought a couples therapy could provide what it has. It's up to the individuals and a fair therapist that also wants to see the right thing happen. Best of luck.
My husband and I have serious marital issues as well but when we used psylocybin and listened to shamanic drums one night, we truly replayed the early days of our relationship on a very real level and it was so beautiful. If I had the money I’d use them for a weekly date night lol
These compounds need to be studied more. The medical use for them is endless. Especially people suffering from anxiety, depression, dementia autism etc.
Could it be the the experience, of facing the demon or scariest thing at that time, in doing this experiment, is exactly what our dreams are doing naturally, we are just the wittness, be it in normal nightime dreaming we don't know who we are we take no notice of anything other than what we are seeing or fearing, and in doing this experiment is to experience it on a grand scale but still we are still only the wittness
I have been off Benzo for 3 months ! Can dis work for me
That would make them a “victim” of a crime… not a subject. Without informed consent it is a crime no different than administering experimental injections without informed consent.
Ofcourse they consented. He explains that they are told they might or will be dosed with one of many possible psycho-active substances.
So if you go on a mental trip and you see flying metal tubes that proves airplanes aren't real?
00:15:00 In a carefully screened and selected group, 30 frickin percent were terrified for at least part of the experience. This would be unacceptable in other medical treatment. The length of the trip and the unpredictable nature of the fearful events is very different from the voluntary exposure to a feared stimulus that happens in psychotherapy.
Yes, in a blind study where the participants aren’t completely prepared for the experience because they don’t know for sure which drug they received. Of course it illicited a negative reaction in a large percentage of participants.
Yep u meed to be healthy cardio so your heart can take the fear
It can also make u have cold sweats high fever for 4 hours so very uncomfortable
I can always tell when somebody slips me mushrooms because I get this weird like mental flashing dot that feels like it’s 3 inches in front of my forehead. It’s a strange side effect of the substance it seems.
Third eye
It can be terrifying. Especially when it's new. Then it becomes something else...
Those Doctors are monsters
What doctors?
Wonderful counsel for when you meet a Demon, supposedly because it is not real one should open oneself up to it. What if it is real you silly silly people? This infuriates me , aren't things bad enough already? What foolish arrogance!
Totally agree. They Are real, and opening ourselves to that is Extremely dangerous and very Very wrong. Goes directly AGAINST God's Teaching. Demons are laughing.
Not gonna lie. I was watching after smoking a joint. Good shit to watch while high haha
This guy is like the trippy Tim Cook
Peterson: "What music did you choose?"
Beethoven's 9th....Oh my Brother...
I was cured ALRIGHT...
If doctors aren't also taking psychedelics then they have no idea what they're doing.
Disgusting, absolutely abhorrent the whole experiment and the fact that it's given ethic approval and a platform.
Do not consort with demons. They seek only to destroy us.
I was waiting for the result of the test I know about the dragon already
When I talked to it said it's mankind's soul conscious. Something about Marduk the Babylonian guy when I researched it. It says don't write down anything, which I did anyways solidified it into a transcendent conscience entity that passes thru time and space. Then it became a they ,
What is a demon? What is an angel? There are only immortal consciousnesses (proven by past life recall and out of body experiences) so the difference is behavior. God and the gods have not been proven which is why some "have faith" and "believe."
I took magic mushrooms and God showed me absolute fairness... God showed me their garden and God opened their gates and we all flooded in destroying everything. But God closed his gates again and everything started to flourish, I understand what he was trying to tell me. God gave me the knowledge to rebuild the garden
People with schizophrenia listening to this and reading these comments wandering why someone would want to do that
I want to challenge Dr. Peterson’s statement that animals are reluctant to ingest psychedelics. How do the spores of the psilocybin mushrooms get into the cow poop? The answer is so simple it’s obvious. My statements are not made from conjecture but by observational learning. Back in the 1970’s, before chemicals were added to the feed solutions for the herds of cattle to eat, the psilocybin came ip freely, but the laws were tightened up and the animals were fed these antispore ingredients. The huge underground networks of mycelium still exist but the mushrooms appear most easily after frequent rains where cow pies are present. I don’t know if it’s about the fiber content of the cow dung, but the mushrooms definitely prefer that matter to grow into over horse manure.
I have seen many cows eating the mushrooms and they do seem more sensitive and aware than I think most people acknowledge them of being capable of. Certainly that species will probably never be able to master Fortrand, but the depth of emotion they feel for their own and the delicate sensitivities they express when “on” the mushrooms tells me that there is much more depth to these beings than people-kind is aware of in general.
My first real mushroom trip 13 grams of fresh mushrooms. suddenly found myself in a world of fractals and melting objects, nothing was real anymore, all impressions amplified 100 times more. Definitely one of my craziest experience
Psilocybin, the active ingredient found in "magic" mushrooms, or "shrooms," is a powerful psychedelic tool.
I learned more about myself on one trip than I have through over a year of therapy.
How do you source yours please?
dr.wheelershrooms
dr.wheelershrooms
I fetch from him
0:00: 🧪 The video discusses a study that compared the effects of psilocybin and methylphenidate in naive participants under blinded conditions.
5:30: 🔬 The speaker discusses a comparative pharmacology study comparing the effects of psilocybin to other compounds.
15:00: 😨 The study found that about 30% of volunteers experienced extreme fear or anxiety during the session, despite being selected for openness and curiosity.
9:38: 🎶 Volunteers are prepared for up to 8 hours before a psychedelic session, during which they listen to selected classical music.
19:58: 😱 The speaker encourages curiosity and interest in the terrifying experiences induced by psilocybin, rather than fighting or reifying them.
Recap by Tammy AI
Not listened to full conversation but the AI skipped the theme of "how such a study could be accepted by ethic committee", which seem much longer (and imo more interesting)than 0:00 reference.
@@sirpsychogame was literally wondering how this is ethical.
Given that we know nothing about consciousness, I wouldn’t be so quick to conclude that demons in a trip are just a hallucination.
They certainly are not just a hallucination. . Your tapping in to other dimensions of consciousness it seems . .I would suggest to never mess with them as it’s not worth it
There are no demons. It can be scary to lose your ego and you do not ever actual see things. You may feel like you're dying in the worst case scenario but coming out of it you feel like you had a near death experience and you have so much appreciation for everything and everyone. It's the closest you can feel to God. Ego separates us from the universe, losing it dissolves you into everything that exists and ever has existed.
That's how crowley and other occultist use to contact demons, they go on deep trance while on mushrooms
Agreed
I'm Schizophrenic. I'm not 100% sure my voice is a demon. But he tries really hard to act like one
I love how Jordan Peterson can take any subject and make it the most interesting thing that has ever been discussed. 🤔
well the subject they are discussing is his entire existence. you cant pursue a life long difficult career in psychology and education without loving it. psychoanalytic thinkers are not common. if you dont find that niche you can suffocate in boredom.
If you get your friends around you to be truthful and open on any decent level and you are the same, pretty much any conversation is interesting. Also helps to have good listening and to ask questions.
I must admit I have this skill aswell.
@@killianmccluff36
Doubtful; BTW *as well is two words. You could always shine up your spelling, there's that.
@@blakebunch4485 not doubtful at all. It’s the skill of the fundamental search of truth at its deepest level. Also I didn’t say as well I said aswell. Also don’t criticise my spelling when your grammar is appalling.
I suffer from anxiety + got panic attacks in the most inconvenient of places, when driving, getting into a hot shower, anything could trigger a panic attack. I started micro-dosing shrooms about 3 years ago. My anxiety eased a lot. One eve I took 2grams and went to bed. I didn't trip or anything but since that day I have not had a single panic attack and I never had to use shrooms again. It was the mental reset I needed.
I took a heroic dose (8 grams of mushrooms, plus 1200 micrograms of LSD) when I was severely struggling with alcohol, the day after the trip I enrolled myself in a two week in-patient detox facility and have been sober ever since, close to 7 years now, it was like a switch was flipped in my brain that turned off my addictive personality. Psychedelics are incredibly underrated.
@@TheExplosiveGuy Ok, I need your help here. I drink to sleep. I had a rule that I don't drink on Sundays. It was punishment and terrors and night sweats. Now I lied to myseld to drink on Sundays prob becuase of my cowardess or the fact that I may die. Help a brother out. How do I stop my alcohol addiction and what do they perscibe to help you overcome the pink elephants.
In other words, I suffer from alcohol addition and I feel like I need a reset. I am scared that cutting out alcohol my cause death. (these a real thoughts) I want to quit and know I need to. I'm a functioning alcoholic but I drink up to 6 liters of beer a day. 5-11pm.
@PowrAl if you're at the point where you're getting the shakes if you don't drink for a night you will most likely die if you quit cold turkey, you either need to taper your intake down over a few weeks/months, or do the easier option like what I did and go to a detox facility. The detox will take care of your physical dependence on alcohol, but it will do nothing for your mental dependence, which could very well be helped by a stiff dose of mushrooms and a long period of self reflection under it's influence. Have you ever taken mushrooms before? I'm willing to help you through this if you are willing to help yourself, it seems like you are aware you have a problem and also want to fix it which is the first step you need to take on the journey to sobriety. I'll answer any questions or concerns you have over however long a period this takes and guide you through the process, if you'll let me, I can put my email up in the description of one of my videos on my channel so we can have a private correspondence, just let me know if you want to go through with this.
My issues started with beer, but I eventually graduated to downing a 1/4 gallon of vodka every night, you aren't at that point yet so there is a lot of hope for your recovery, just promise me that you won't hit the hard stuff or things will get really difficult, but regardless I'm still willing to help.
@@TheExplosiveGuy Thanks for your reply. I would love to get in touch with you to find a way. I looked at your channel and some do show an email address but yours don't. Let me know how I can reach out. Thank my man, much appreciated!
Interesting! Michael Knowles had an interview about 6 months ago if I am not mistaken, with a Christian that took mushrooms, and his story about the demons appearing is quite compelling! The "demons" were complaining that he was doing good things by saving souls and yet he was "eating from their table".
BS
It's a mushroom. Stop reading into the visions. Oh a Christian saw something that just happened to confirm his views? Whoa!
Michael Knowles is a dummy too
@@ryan.1990why don't you just stand down and let people have their experiences since everyone including you has a personal perspective
@@ryan.1990 If you take shrooms, you'll have visions. Why say what you said about a Christian? Did you watch the show?
@@ryan.1990 "It's a mushroom." smh. It's an incredible mysterious thing is what it is. Stop acting like you're informed just because you know what something's called.
I need a shrink so bad right now I’m a ex marine with ptsd and a lot of other things wrong been through 4 combat tours dr Peterson we need you so bad for the veterans
God bless you, sir. And thank you for your service. Please seek help. Jesus saves.
Thank you for your service. If you need to talk about your experiences, I'm going to suggest a counsellor or psychologist, rather than a psychiatrist, based on my own experience.
Although this seems simplistic, there's an actual PTSD workbook. Just following the exercises to write down your experiences and feelings can go very far to getting those thoughts out of your head and onto the page. I wish you a complete recovery to perfect health.
@@tygerstripes3752 Thank you for your comment. Healing is possible.
That's one crazy experience. It's like torturing yourself. I think you do need help. I know that sounds harsh. Anything that educates you will be helpful.
Does Mr Peterson have a list of recommended psychiatrists? Must be hard finding someone decent.
Peace and healing to you ❤️
Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here
LSD and mushrooms completed my whole outlook on life.I became a better version of myself
This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and body .A bunch of bad thought/behaviour patterns were broken.One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot.It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine,this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone).
Before all I could do was lay in bed.Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before"
Loved this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why
trip_vardy
Got psychedelics
I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip
One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion
I just caught this. I love when Peterson covers psychedelic subjects. Roland Griffiths is a super legit researcher too.
I have a bad feeling about this study, or anything taken from outside the body that produces something that people study.
It's pretty subjective.
He's rather decrepit here, and reminds me of an older version of the manipulative drug dealers of the 70's, just older.
This interview is longer, and I'm reminded of odd responses and creepy laughter during an interaction that he and Dr Peterson had. See if you can find the whole interview.
I love the movie, A Beautiful Mind, because it's from a true story about a smart guy that realizes that he is being taken over by schizophrenia and begins to take back control of his life by confronting the figures that were haunting him and learns to live with them and he returns to a normal life
you honestly think he imagined all that in the movie?
@@logosfocusIf the writers wrote the movie to be about hallucinations, not demons, then yes, he just imagined it all in the movie. That's how movies work: they get to define reality in the world they create.
my comment was not of a theological nature, i know demons are very real..
i meant is that what the writers were aiming for, that he merely hallucinated all of the weird stuff??
Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here
Loved this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why
trip_vardy
Got psychedelics
I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip
One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion
@@LilianReynolds-lw1pfwhere to search
Is it IG??
This is amazing. Love the detailed questions and investigation that Jordan does.
Dont welcome anything that appears to be spirit-like. Listen to the excorcists!
calm down. much like there are more bacteria in your body than human cells, there are more spirits in your body than human spirit.
Tell it to go in Jesus name
“Exorcists” are charlatans
Exactly
I have never had a bad experience on psilocybin. I would be very uncomfortable laying on a couch next to people that are not tripping with a blindfold on listening to music that I don't like for 8 hours. I would not do this. Sounds like torture.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Clinicians seem clueless about the fact that people do best outside.
I didn’t to mushrooms all summer because I prefer to be outside and it’s so hot along the Gulf Coast in the summer. In nature watching the clouds are trees is the best
@@cadamham Yea. It's just too hot and muggy to enjoy yourself. Winter around a campfire with good friends is best. I never trip alone. It's best to go on that ride with friends.
No kidding, stuck in a couch for 8 hours sober is a bummer even. At least let me pace around the room or something ha-ha. I wonder if anyone did a couch dance, like just gyrated there, wiggle-wiggle. Seriously though, it's probably an issue of safety, in the legal sense, not the practical.
@@christoforos4126 I do well outside until it gets dark. Sometimes I need to go inside for some structure to my surroundings...but only if I took a major dose.
Where's all the ethical scrutiny of the vax?
Walking through a million lightning bugs at night while using a dot was epic beautiful. Walking through forest at night in the same state I had to remind myself the faces in the leaves of the trees weren't real, just my mind hyperactivity identifying the familiar image of faces but it was actually just the leaves of the trees.
Absolutely fascinating. I had a cancer diagnosis 2 1/2 years ago. I was given a six month survival probability if I didn’t have treatment versus possibly five years with treatment. I chose no treatment. I’ve been considering taking psilocybin for a few months now and am trying to compare my cancer fear against the fear of a monster I may meet on a psilocybin trip. I’m grappling with it.
I just smoked some unknown stuff, PCP, I think. It scared the cra. out of me but made me appreciate reality.
God is able to heal you, and He is willing to heal you, because He loves you deeply. Be healed in Jesus’ name!
You will never meet a monster on Psilocybin, don't worry
@@jordandraper5466 Thank you.
@@chrisbarrett8377 I hope not but isn’t that what this video indicates is a possibility experienced by many? I understand that the monster would be myself.
I've always wondered why the end game boss in mythology is a dragon.
My first time taking mushrooms was when I was 17 and I was fed mushrooms by some older people in there 30's. I was also drinking all night. I had a horrible death trip. The interesting thing was I still had a strange clarity the next day that comes with a normal good trip. I wasn't afraid to try them again a year later with a friend who treated it more like a shamanic ritual with ambient music and I've done them maybe 4 times since then. I'm 37 now and it's been over ten years since my last trip. They are the most amazing thing that I don't play with mushrooms at all. They are for serious healing only. You have to be prepared to dissolve your ego. It's an amazing experience when done in the right environment.
I am extremely anti drug/psychedelics. I’ve seen only the bad. My parents were hippies and heavily into the drugs that ended shortly before I was born when they were at 19yrs of age. That was eons ago. In my early 30s I went for alcohol when I was going through a rough time. And though not a psychedelic, it compounded the fact that I am prone to just wanting to be stoned out of my mind and get as far from reality as possible. Yet this “escape” literally made the depression worse. I’ve had two friends od over the years. You can say well mushrooms aren’t that way, but it’s still mind altering bla bla bla. It’s still an escape. And hardly anybody comes into the comments and challenges people like you with your low key approval of this shit but it’s whatever. We live in a different world now.
@@Blake4625kHz I’d say the reason no one is challenging my approval of psilocybin is because everyone knows they are the furthest thing from addictive. They literally break people’s addiction. The reason I haven’t taken them in ten years is because of my respect for what it is and does to you. I will take them again someday when I need healing or when I need to see 100% clearly a part of myself that I’ve hidden from myself. That’s what they’re good for. They’re not some fun drug that help you escape. They are the absolute complete opposite of that. I’ve been escaping into the grind of life and use tv and UA-cam as a dissociative. Psilocybin is an associative. It connects you with everything and shows you the harsh truth about yourself.
I know you were trying to insult me but if you struggle with depression and alcoholism, I’m telling you now. Psilocybin is NOT an escape and it could show you the deepest part of yourself and why you are depressed more than you could see yourself and it can heal that and by doing so you may come out the other side never wanting to touch a bottle again. It’s well researched the psilocybin and ayahuasca cure people from serious addictions. I personally know 5 people who have quit serious drug and alcohol addictions.
@@Blake4625kHz You can try to generalize alcohol and psychedelics into the same group, but neurologically, they do very different things. YES you can definitely abuse them, but they are tools that can be extremely valuable in the RIGHT CONTEXT.
Thankfully, the science has caught up to this blatantly obvious fact, which is why psychedelics are making their comeback
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I don’t gaf it it was as “blatantly obvious” as an open sack of moldy dog shit in my car on a 110 degree day. We all have an “escape” we flirt with that does not help us in the long run. My nature would be addiction, because like many I’d rather be stoned out of my ass than deal with life. That said which is why I do not take that drug avenue and mostly never have except a couple of times years ago. Telling people this is a good tool or avenue with what ever you wanna call it is stupid because the only homies in here reading are people who have addictive tendencies and low key want reassurance that psychedelics etc are ok. And for some maybe they are manageable in a positive way. We got a lot of underlying psychosis out there nowadays chomping at the bit to take people out. U might say I’m being dramatic but it all started somewhere. Instead of this kinda shit, people need community and in that community actual help. No big pharma and no recreational bullshit. This won’t solve society’s ills alone, alls I know I seen way more the negative than the positive. Lucas, Big Tony, Lia, Tarzan, Zach, Steve rip
@@Blake4625kHz I empathize with the points you're making man and I may be living in a hippie bubble were there are mostly positive experiences. I hear you're genuinely worried for other people, that is very respectable.
We have different viewpoints because we have had different experiences and environments. I also think that glorifying psychedelics can be very dangerous, we can probably agree on that.
Exactly my experience. Started with seeing Green Goblin Mask faces made of Geometry. Ended up learning about the need to not feel guilty. Ironically, part of the trip was to not feel guilty about seeing the demons (because you were naughty and took the substance).
conjuring up the unclean spirits
@@logosfocus Surprising to get a message from an unclean spirit that you should feel less guilty.
Mushrooms aren't that visual dude. You took lsd.
@@MunchinOnDew I can promise you it was mushrooms haha. Wanted to throw up. I didn't expect to see geometry after eating a plant.
@@passyourieltsIt's fungi though. A mushroom spore can pretty much survive anywhere including space. Makes you wonder. Mushrooms have a heavy hand in the influence of religion
It's funny you guys relate this stuff cause I had an experience or two while smoking that "K2" synthetic Marijuana stuff while trying to cheat probation drug test some years ago. And I could've swore this super negative "demonic" like energy was pressing down on me making hyper aware of exploring these terrible thoughts I'd never dreamed of with a sober mind. I had this similar experience a couple of times and even twice since smoking actual THC dabs. Very similar anxiety feeling that i imagine is close to what a schizophrenic experiences. Anyhow ever since I've theorized that negative spiritual energy is able to use these altered mind states for heightened ability to influence human beings and have even a couple crazy correlating stories about people committing terrible crimes and claiming a demon influenced them while smoking spice or doing bath salts. So I think there's something to it tbh
Remember: John’s Hopkins also approved of and sponsored the “Frankenstein like” practices of John Mooney! Conclusion? Beware of John’s Hopkins.
Johns Hopkins betrayed their lack of any scientific or ethical legitimacy when they went along with the covid fear-mongering.
I've suffered from severe anxiety, panic attacks and clinical depression (the kind that can kill) for my entire life and nothing has ever helped like psylocibin. That said, the dose is an important factor, I've done 5g before but it had a lesser overall benefit than 1/5 of that amount usually does. For the true psychonaut, have at it but in my case 1g to 2g is more than enough and allows me to retain some level of functionality. Hyperspace is a wild place but it does not in my case confer the benefit that I am looking for. Benefits for me have been in the form of permanent changes that have allowed me to leave behind 30+ years of mental and spiritual problems, I still get sad and anxious but it is manageable now, it doesn't paralyze me and shut my life down. Strangely, they also reacquainted me with God in a personal way. In this unique substance I see only the benevolence of nature, it is a gift and it is meant to heal.
A terrifying but beautiful breaktrough experiece with DMT and the struggle of not "letting go" (cause it felt like dying) was so intense and SO scary but once I did was so immensly beautiful & peaceful. THE most important learning experience of my life in so many ways.
I still can't let go bro
Far-out, Ive not had it I would like too for some reason I'm scared, if the letting go part.
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Thanks for sharing. I had trouble letting go during a recent ceremony, started panicking and passed out. I was terrified. But I pushed through and trusted it would work out and my 3rd ceremony was much more blissful. Layers of letting go.
I tried DMT 2 years ago and I’m still not over it. I experienced death, and it was so terrifying and painful. I didn’t want to let go. I still haven’t found the words to describe the experience. You get blasted into another dimension and your hardwire to this reality is severed.
This is all so Extremely wrong. Demons are Not part of our conciesness, They are Not our " friends". They are fallen angels with great, ancient intelect who can, and Will deceive us if we let them. No matter how intelligent we think we are, they are laughing...Experiments like these are Extremely dangerous and go directly against God's Commands.
How can we EVER talk about the Bible if we offend God like this.
Dr Peterson, I honor and respect you, but I am extremely disappointed because I truly believed you should have known better. Drugs, of Any kind ( perhaps with few medical exceptions) but especially the hallucinogens are Extremely dangerous and are directly forbidden by God, not to control us but to protect us! You think you just see the imaginary monsters? No! You see reality. And if you tell people to just let go and converse with them you are pushing them straight into the arms of the devil and his army. Who, let me tell you, hates us with passion and will gladly deceive you. My Dear God, please help these poor people.....
Microdosing Mexicana shroom helps depression and some ppl I know use it. Safe and no like crazy sideffects as some other psychodelics and it heals the brain also! I have given them to my bf, mother, father. For my father (smaller doses) it helped with insomnia.
Why can’t they just ask us LSD people what they want to know and we will just tell them.
Unreliable.
And people accuse *me* of being a mad scientist ...
Classical music that’s a heavy trip man you don’t want to shock and surprise people tripping there is a reason that ambient and minimalist music exists unless of course your intention was to give them a bad trip
Yes what person ‘doing drug research in the 1970’s AND then laying diverse classical music is a weird scenario. Using religious classical maybe but wagner, bartok even Beethoven …nah - this guy clings to the shallow end and be above reproach ….he could use the Beatles or Indian maybe Early Zappa and still be using classical
So,,,, there's one NDE you might find interesting. The guy took mushrooms, and went on a journey that changed his life forever. He left his body and immediately got swooped up into a heated debated between Demons and Angels. He was in the center of this experience as they FIERCELY debated who gets to take him. The demons argued that he ate from their table, and the Angels (and Christ) stood in his defense. And at the end, Christ chased the demons away, telling them, this guy belong to Him. and Christ plainly told the guy, comforting him, "let's not try this again" and returned him to his body. (he almost died).
And this I believe because it's Not against God's Teaching. Drugs Are extremely dangerous and the food of demons, who are real. Our Lord Jesus Christ saved me too, in slightly different but very similar way. Playing with drugs for the sake of experiment is Extremely dangerous. Chances are a person Will die ( as it often happens everywhere) and in that case the hell is waiting.... I saw part of it, i saw the demons who was about to take me to hell, i heard the battle for my soul....And God has given me another chance ( I accidentally injested a tiny bit of fentanol, truly accidentally). Interestingly enough my boyfriend at the time who ate the same thing saw exactly the same situation....by definition, it was NOT A HALUCINATION because if so we would see a different things, we saw and heard reality behind the veil....Drugs are a pathway to Hell, sadly people don't understand.....Demons are Real, are cruel and hate us, they are much much much more intelligent then we are......and can deceive the Most intelligent among us.....easily.
Made up. Years of experience shows that the story of the trip is .ore disorganized and random unless it's your soul telling u to do pushups
@@sadhu7191 Sorry buddy if you don't think there's a spiritual world (it's quite obvious to most of us) - I mean when you look at an ant, does he know you exist? Or micro organisms? Do they know you exist?
Academics are out of their depth in this space.
Tell the neuroscientists that
There is a place for natural plant medicines. Though, not with ceremonial reverence. One can only serve one master and these things often require complete submission which is more than just a leaning in. There’s beauty within the process, along with temptation that draws one in but I couldn’t give away what is already sovereign and owned by the cross. Just personal experience that may not make complete sense to those who’ve not taken the journey. Fascinating, nonetheless, even at the hero plus dose.
I had to click this as soon as I read "Unknowing Subjects Taking Magic Mushrooms" as it happened to me.
Back in the early 90's a friend offered to make a cup of tea for me and two other mates but didn't bother to tell us what he made it with.
I drank it, not having the heart to tell him it tasted like crap and went to bed after I'd finished it.
I was sleeping ok but started hearing this loud banging which woke me up and as I opened my eyes there seemed to be a very tall shadow figure pointing at me, to say I shat my pants is an understatement. I curled up in a ball and hid beneath my sheets until I plucked up the courage to run out of the house and sat in the back garden while it rained until the sun came up.
Not a good idea to freak someone out on mushy's when they don't know what they're on.
Late response but those aren't your friends. They drugged you.
Jordon I have a suggestion, instead of pondering so much about Psilocybin why don’t you try it? I think your understanding of it might be easier.
He did obviously lol
It would have been really interesting to hear about these gentlemen’s own experiences with magic mushrooms, assuming they have had them, which I bet they have. If they haven’t you have to wonder why not. The most likely explanation would be that they think it is too dangerous which is problematic because in a sense they are promoting it here.
Anyway, I get the sense that they have done it, perhaps numerous times. I just wish they would talk about their own experience. A lot of people would be fascinated to hear about that.
I'm pretty sure I watched a video of JP saying he had been to a ceremony but he's never seemed to of spoken about it. I guess with how much shit he gets he has to be careful which dragons he pokes.
@@wes555 thanks appreciate letting us know
Never had a bad trip. Mildly interesting and malleable is how I'd describe my experiences, most of which were completely forgettable.
Lucky you. Thought I was gonna end up in an asylum for life on 30g of Valhalla truffles for real.
I couldn't imagine how fearful these people were unknowingly experiencing the effects of psychedelics.
I tried it and was surprised at how limited the effects were to visuals, balance problems, and a little boost in energy.
And because I have IBS and didn't think it through, they gave me violent diarrhea, like all mushrooms do.
@blackswan1983 Effects and dose are relative to the individual.
Hey Jordan we need a six-hour session of this guy. He takes too long to get to the point
They often do, usually it's because it's that small of information. Specialty books written by types like this guy write pages to say something only needing a paragraph. My grandmother has many. She thought they were great, took an average of 4-6 pages to read something relevant to the chapter subject. She asked what I thought. My response was a blow heart with next to no volume of information to justify a book. A simple small essay would be enough. At first she was taken back. In 30 minutes I demonstrated about 1/4 of the beginning was summarized to a page. Noting no demonstration of evidence except mentions. She was speechless more or less. Then I asked any others to look at, it'll take me an hour to catch up if you'd like.
@@1014p haha so true
I’m watching this as a Christian like, “did this guy say to take drugs and open yourself up to demons and not resist the demonic while approaching it with drugs?”
Once I was tripping in the living room on psilocybin mushrooms and I was have a horrific time, literally in a demonic realm which is so hard to explain. My brother said that he saw a shadow standing over me and as soon as he noticed it it had faded back behind the couch and I snapped out of it. This happens at night but when I trip out during the day time, especially in the sunlight, I have the best most blissful trips.
Sounds horrendous. I felt like I was in a hell realm just on a space cake. Would never try mushrooms. My mind isn’t wired up for this stuff. I think there are places out there we shouldn’t visit
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You don’t see things on mushrooms bro. Your good. They make you laugh and fell funny that’s it. I’ve eaten a quarter ounce and the most that happens is you get tracers in your vision and colors look better. And little blurry and muddy when you focus on something.
@@bigzachfulyou’ve clearly never taken a good amount of shrooms before and it shows. I’ve taken over a quarter ounce of dried shrooms and hitting a weed pen ferociously. Dude you’re basically explaining the beginning, early phases of shrooms. I wouldn’t even describe what you experienced as “tripping”. Like having a bath and not drowning makes you think you can swim across the ocean and be fine, lol. People like you are why we should be careful who we take advice from. Shrooms can f*ck someone up especially if they think they can take a bunch because someone like you said it’s no big deal.
@@someguy2016so is it just a hallucination or an actual entity? My friend has been trying to promote tripping for the last couple years because he thinks it's very helpful for your whole existence. But I have to say over the last years from him smoking decent amount of weed daily and occasionally tripping, he's become sort of boxed in a can't handle life. The guy doesn't travel more than 15 minutes from his house and doesn't really have any interest in doing things other than his specific regime. He got a gf early on into this whole journey but imo if this guy hadn't he would be sitting around the house alone just smoking and being a closed off person. So I find it hard to equate taking these things as a benefit when I see what it has done to others. I'm sure one or two experiences are ok but to take them continuously I don't think is a good thing. Also these entities seem real? Ever thought of soul possession? Not something to toy with IMO
Doing this is inviting demonic influences over your life! You are playing with fire!! Ask God to help you and get you out of this!!!
After having tried DMT in the past (Maybe three or four times) I found it fascinating.
However, I struggled to let go and give in to the experience.
This time was different.
This time I had such a profound experience it has totally changed my spiritual views.
This time I met a variety of entities - good and bad.
It's hard to describe how I knew their intentions but it was just a sensation that took over my entire body.
I could feel the warmth and the love of the good entities and the pure evil of the others - It was like having all of the happiness drained from my body.
This did not scare me as I was prepared from watching youtube videos and speaking to friends.
The good entities taught me lessons.
They communicated to me seemingly telepathically with no sound.
They were producing the bad entities to show me they couldn't hurt me.
They were a manifestation of my own fear and negativity.
They need it as we need oxygen.
There were three right in front of me facing away and crouched down.
As soon as they knew I was there they turned and revealed animal like faces (What I can only describe as dark black wolves with pointy ears).
Their eyes reflected the light and they were giving me a piercing stare.
The good entities allowed one to come right up to me - staring me in the face. Another was just to my left and looked like something out of a horror film.
A jet black dark old man in a long black cloak with a veil that stood to my shoulder in height.
I say man, it was more like a demon.
This thing had no gender.
I genuinely had no fear, although it was quite an intense experience.
It's presence could not go unnoticed and was overwhelmingly dark and aggressive.
I laughed at it and it subsequently disappeared shortly after.
The positive entities rewarded me without speaking but I knew what they were saying.
"See!"
The positive entity then got one of the wolves in the head lock and just fucked it off. It was hilarious.
I haven't laughed like that in so long.
It was almost as if I had just completed the first level of a video game was ready for the next level.
The good entity apparated but another immediately appeared.
He sat down as if to teach me a new lesson.
(Sitting on seemingly nothing at all)
Suddenly I started to experience what I could only interpret as an ego death.
I started to feel very sick like I was just about to throw up and I panicked.
The entity shook his finger at me and I relaxed.
Immediately after, my belly detached from my body and floated away as if it was no longer a part of me.
The feeling of being sick totally went. This is the first time I've experienced something in the physical world as a result of my psychedelic experience.
I manifested my reality and stopped myself from being sick.
I believe this is a lesson that we are a part of everything and the ego is an illusion.
To further confirm my findings my thoughts started to transcend and seperate as they didnt belong to me anymore.
Who is the 'me' that Im referring to anyway?
What is I?
These are some of my most favourite philosophical questions so this was very exciting to experience.
I was fully conscious of everything that was going on but I didn't identify with my thoughts anymore.
This was all very overwhelming, but the lesson was clear -
This life is just an illusion.
We are here temporarily to learn and then we go back into the 'realm' as I like to call it.
I have found this very comforting and I no longer fear death.
People tend to worry about the after life wonder if they will see their loved ones again - but it was very apparent to me that all of our feelings in this reality are irrelevant to the afterlife.
I felt so much peace and warmth but I did not care for anything from my material life.
We ARE everything.
We are all a part of each other.
Nothing we say or do matters. In the end.
This was the last lesson I learned and for the rest of my trip, full body formations of 'people' would appear as if from the side of a stage curtain. They would walk towards me and would then turn around and go back behind the curtain.
There were maybe 4 or 5 people at a time , continuously appearing, dancing up to me and returning elegantly on their tip toes as if they were dancing in time with the music I was listening to.
I look forward to taking DMT again and learning more about this life.
I've decided to start documenting my DMT trips.
There is something so philosophical about them and I have learned profound lessons.
I want to share them and be able to refer back to them as I believe strongly they contain the answers to some of lifes biggest mysteries
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If you haven't tried DMT this will sound psychotic 🤣
If you are in a good space mentally, you SHOULD try it.
All I can say is see for yourself.
It will change your life if you take it seriously
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Immediately as I started the trip, I was looking at people running and jumping from a building. I was saying them from the point of view of a drone as if I was videoting a music video. I followed them to the floor where they disappeared
Although it's been many years since I've partaken in psychedelics, I've always agreed and advised that one should be in a positive State of mind and void of any emotional turmoil before participating in that type of experience
The parameters of the study are also questionable and goes agaisnt the natural experiences one would have when and why they would take psilocybin.
It's certainly comforting to convince one's self that what is being seen is simply a piece of consciousness, a figment of your imagination, or a subconscious fear. But in reality, these are demons. They may change, they may present themselves in more pleasant forms at some point... but they are demons. Do you know what real empowerment is? Knowing that you have authority over those demons through Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes, I've had personal experience, and yes, I am free now for 6 years and I thank God every day that through the blood of the Lamb and the power of the name of my Messiah I have found freedom.
They're all of the subpersonalities from various parts of your brain, possibly different nerve plexi in your body as well. They're also what form dream characters and landscapes. I suppose though if you see demons every time you dream it might be a safe bet to stay clear.
@@carbon1479 you can believe what you want. I know that I was suicidal on a daily basis from the age of 10 to the age of 26. Had visions of self harm. I was a Christian and prayed all the time. But one day my husband and I engaged in spiritual warfare and I took authority over the demons in my life, and cast them out in the name of Jesus. They physically left my body. Since that day, 6 years ago, I have never once had a moment of wanting to harm myself in any way. Even through infertility struggles and the death of my first child, still I was whole and knew my life had worth and value. Only Jesus could do that. I know who I was then, and I know who I am now. The difference was Jesus Christ setting me free.
@@carbon1479😂 That has not been my experience. Thinking other entities are parts of your subconscious. That would be preferable.
@@skeelatheskink8724 if you experience it in a projective way (the way some people see external visuals when they trip) I could see you getting that impression - especially when psychedelics also increase synchronicity in the outside world (though so can ritual magic for that matter). I'm not a physicalist but I do firmly believe that we're in the most physicalism-like situation without it actually being that, ie. simulation but either an idealist or neutral monist set and setting (Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash, Michael Silberstein, Jason Reza Jorjani, Stephen Wolfram, that stuff). Whatever governs over this place, if it's sentient at all, seems to love absurdity of all kinds and throwing us chaos and monkey wrenches.
My psychedelic experiences have always been internal images, save if it's really high mushroom or LSD where I'll start connecting dots in my visual field to create patterns, and my emotional and meaning-making contact with them was very Jungian as well as Darwinian (trip a few times Jung will make sense, trip a lot more and Freud will make sense). The most paranormal effects were those I'd get off of something between 500 and 750mg DXM, that's where I got to feel a bit like Matthew McConaughey in Interstellar inside the black hole at the end and having strong synchronistic echoes.
I get that maybe not everyone's experience will agree but after a lot of experience with this stuff, over a couple decades, I'm forced to conclude that the entities are internal and are aspects of self in the same way that dream characters and landscapes as well as characters in DMT trips are. Obviously if you have a social relationship with them, they say you see x, y, or z tomorrow and you see exactly that - feel free to correct me, but there's not really a lot they can do to persuade me they're real unless they're actually making contact with outside reality in some undeniable way.
Hallelujah! I could not express more agreement.
Nothing to fear any longer, The serpent is in the lake of fire! Time to expand The Kingdom of our Lord!
"Be interested in demons" and "nothing in consciousness can hurt you" both of these statements seem stupid and dangerous whether you actually believe in demons or not.