7 months in, 8.300 views later this video has seemingly helped many people to understand what 'volume shift' is and does. If it changed your world and you want to express your gratitude and support my channel, you can do this here: www.buymeacoffee.com/justaride Thank you so much, and don't forget to check out my other content! ;-)
We totally need to talk about board personality in the future. Two very similar boards can be super different when riding and also combined with soft, medium och hard bindings and boots.
Yup!! Surfers are way smarter when picking their boards than snowboarders are....... Purpose and personal style/body proportions are key! Not whether Travis or Danny ride this board.....
So relieved to see this content. I’ve been saying it for years, just because a company states that a deck is volume shifted doesn’t mean that it is. Many manufacturers are simply shifting the geometry and insert packs in the backseat with a mid-wide width and marketing them as volume shifted. I ran my own volume shifted experiment and bought four “Volume shifted” decks a few years ago. They were: 162 Orca 162 Kemper Aggressor 158 Telos Backslash 157 Battaleon Party Wave + The only one that remains in my quiver as a true volume shifted snowboard is the PW+ with a waist width of 28.6cm. For reference I am 6’4”, 250lbs, 12us boots and normally ride 166cm and longer with a minimum waist width of 27cm and minimum tail width of around 31cm. IMO most decks are too narrow even when sized for a standard 10us boot. I am very much looking forward to getting on the 170W Cheater. Thanks for the great content.
@@jpwookie22 awesome comment!! Thank you so much! Yeah, I hear you, absolutely!! In case you order a Cheater straight from Stranda, use this link, it’s free shipping globally and supports my channel 😉✌️🙏www.strandasnowboards.com/ref/878/
Absolutely love these nerdy dives. Keep 'em coming. My daily driver for years has been a flat top Burton Nug. 146. Ww is only 254, but it's 28.5 in the tip and tail. Also, I was having similar thoughts the other day about VS boards getting narrower and "normal" boards getting wider. Good to hear actual stats on that.
I must say, that your episode on functional board width was a real eye opener for me and I totally agree ! I ride two boards, a 157 by 26.5 cm and a 161 by 27.6 cm and I can tell you that while I can turn the latter one almost as well as the first, the effort is much greater in short tight turns . Also the side cut and the shape of these boards is so different that they ride so very differently. You won’t see me on the 161 in glades and in really rough conditions, too physical even for my 11,5 shoe size. I must also say that I always ride posi-posi angles of front +24 and back +9 . Always informative and on point ! Thank you Lars !
Glad you liked it!! If that is what you think, you DEFINITELY have to watch these ones here as well: ua-cam.com/video/BNOtFxPhxj4/v-deo.htmlsi=mS3BdMJyxK5Ay0pV - ua-cam.com/video/UCTqMFBxPnU/v-deo.htmlsi=V9t5fOPpVyvZCHO4 - ua-cam.com/video/yCHZtKEZU3s/v-deo.htmlsi=q9eWejtQKndLXk9p
Thanks Lars. Another very informative video. Once again it reinforces the fact that there is no perfect board for all conditions and all riders and what might be best for one person will not be best for another. That's the problem with a lot of board reviews. Some reviews say something like: "I found this board to be brilliant , so you need to get it too" ... that would only be the case in the scenario where the other person was same physically and in riding style and intending to ride in same conditions! So I totally agree with your thoughts about knowing all the specs of a board and understanding the impact each characteristic (length, width, sidecut, stifeness, etc) will have and choosing appropriately for yourself. 🙂 Thanks again.
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel It's my pleasure, Lars. Great quality, in detail content. As I've mentioned before, the best snowboarding content channel 👏 Kudos! George here ...aus Essen 🥳 🏂👍
Dude Dude Dude Dude!! Love your take on things!! This time last year I bought a 152 dancehaul. Had 20 days days on it this winter and except a few powder days were the board was amazing and fast turning in the trees, I thought it was unstable and Washie everywhere else. Hated it! Jumped back on my old 158w Assassin to finish my season and couldn’t believe how faster I could ride and how at home it felt! Totally agree, when like me you have ridden wide boards for 30 years a volume shift board is just a skateboard with loose trucks that can’t go fast or ride choppy piste. my season is finished this year so I’ve just bought a 161W ride deep fake for next season. Might as well get something stiffer and more free ride for carving and charging! Dancehaul is hanging on the wall only to see the light of a powder day in the trees! Cheers
I also had a 158w Assassin and now own a 157 Dancehaul. Went for the 157 cause I wanted more edge and width. Definitely feel like I made the right choice.
As someone with size 13 feet and a normal weight (75-85kg) I've always disliked how manufacturers assume you are some mammoth over 110 kg and always used to made wide boards ultra long, stiff and not wide enough. So I'm loving this new trend. As I am getting better at carving these past few weeks thanks to your videos, James' videos and a few japanese tutorials(by rama), I am starting to boot out on my 153 Orca. When I bought it, there wasn't that much choice on the market, whereas right now I feel like there are soo many boards to pick from. I might end up with a Korua because of the width and also because I'm brainwashed by their videos.
Super interesting! I love the very pragmatic and sensible approach you have! Never really heard anyone talk about how board width and foot size relate... other than saying that a wider board is a bit harder to get on edge. I've more or less queued up all your videos to understand what I'm going to want to be looking for for the upcoming season for getting back into snowboarding. I'm one of your typical customers like you mentioned in the stance series in that I don't ride switch, I don't ride park, I just want to enjoy the mountain and hopefully learn how to carve properly, and I've always enjoyed longboarding over riding in skate parks too... I think this is why Stranda speaks to me in terms of their philosophy on how what type of boards they want to make, and why I find it very difficult to find a board that sounds interesting from other brands since they are so focused on park riding etc. At first I was really interested in the Biru, but as a 177 cm, 85-ish kg guy with 25,5-ish cm feet I'm starting to lean more towards the Shorty and Descender. But my goal is to get my friends to come with me early in the season to a demo event week so I can try them out and see what fits me before I decide on what will be my first board ever.
Awesome comment!! Thank you for sharing! The Shorty will be the best one out of those. Biru is too wide and an aggressive turner. Descender is stiff and a sluggish turner in comparison, it’s more meant for speed stability than for turning (turns great, but requires much more effort!). Shorty is simply smooth and does what you want it to do, both, in powder and on groomers. Absolutely fantastic board.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you for your insights! That was kind of how I was thinking too from reading Strandas descriptions! In that case I think I will focus on trying the Shorty in multiple lengths if possible! I'm not the most confident snowboarder (yet), but I'm thinking I should probably go for the 164 over 159 to have a bit more board to "grow into"? I do have that skiiers mentality of wanting to improve my technique every time I am on the mountain like you talked about in the video about snowboarding having grown up, I'm that exact 34 year old person you were talking about. So as long as it's not unbearably difficult I think I would prefer a board that challenges me while still feeling nimble.. maybe I shouldn't be afraid to try the 169 either? I also want to try a Bataleon board I think, because I want to try their funky 3D shaped nose and tail and see what it feels like. I'm skeptical but at the same time intrigued by the design! Thank you once again for all the insights you are sharing with us and for putting it in terms that are easy to understand!
@@SuperPhelix thanks for the appreciation! If switch is not on the menu, you could try a 162 Tree Surfer. Same bottom contour as Shorty, maybe a hint softer, slightly easier to turn. The 169 Shorty is too much. 164 will be something to grow into. Stranda is torsionally stiffer than other boards. So 164 is quite some board, although it turns super nicely. Tree Surfer definitely turns easier. Feel free to support me here: buymeacoffee.com/justaride Much appreciated!! 🙏😊
You should add the link to the short video that you did recently on the "breakdown of the Makrill", where you took it for a "pow run", but ended up using it in mix conditions. Thanks for the content! Keep 'em coming.
This channel is a gift! Just keeps getting better and better, and super consistent! Thanks dude! Btw, where is your board shop based? Would be awesome to visit in person!
Thanks for the kind words!! I'm in Fernie, BC, Canada. But it's really just a nice 'shed' in my yard where I tune boards. Nothing worth visiting, haha... But if you're ever around, come by for a chat! :-)
I’m 5’5 170 9.5 boot and I just ordered a 148 gremlin. Usually ride a gilson slayer at 149 ,or my old Lamar 151. 🤷🏻♂️ every board I ride,after 5 min I’m like ok,this is cool. Depending on conditions of course but I just carve and do some small side hits.
Oh man, I was close to buying a makrill on sale and regret that I hesitated. Beautiful board… I have mixed feelings about volume shift though kind of looking at the Tree surfer now cos I really wanna try a Stranda. I’m in Whistler and the snow is often wet and heavy coastal pow. I usually ride a 160+ board like you (160lbs, size11s) then a few years ago I got a 148 Telos backslash and loved it for a while, until I realized the float and stability was lacking. I got the 153 in a splitboard too and it floated much better but being shorter and fatter is a hindrance on the skin track. Less grip. Also less grip on icy groomers. Now my go to split is a 163 Amplid milligram. And I much prefer a ‘moderate’ volume shift like my K2 Excavator 158 on a deep pow day as it’s unsinkable and still is nimble in trees. Love your channel and insight. I really want to try a Stranda out!
I completely hear you, and you're naming all the right things! Good on you! Not many people ever get that far in their experience and perception. My recommendation is to get the new TreeSurfer size 162W. Gonna be in stock soon. 270 waist and meant to be ridden longer. Dream board!! If you end up ordering from Stranda directly, here a link with free shipping world wide and it supports my channel! www.strandasnowboards.com/ref/878/ Thank you for the comment and support! Share the love! :-)
Hi Lars, thanks for your great videos..extremely informative. Love K2 boards. Currently on the 157 Simple Pleasures after the Carveair. Two of the best boards I’ve ever ridden. I’d love to pick up a Stranda and I’m wondering if you would recommend the Makrill for my type of riding..try to ride as fast as my nerve will allow, love trying to carve also. I’m roughly 215 lbs, 5’10” and am riding the Ride Insano. Thanks for your help
Most confidence inspiring board at speed is the Descender. The Makrill is fast, but a 153 short/fat fish does not feel stable. With your height and weight the 161 Descender is perfect for a fast and stable ride. If you’re over a 10.5 boot, get the 162W.
Nah people don't want to use their head anymore. They just want the orca to become part of the orca pod 😂. In all honesty great video. I have amassed a quiver of 8 boards currently and I ride each of them depending on conditions and all sorts of variables. When the gear compliments the conditions just right the riding is so much easier and way more fun!
I ride a 157 Korua Otto but ever since improving my carving and starting to get really low I've been booting out consistently.. Tried shifting to posi posi but I really like the freestyle options for duckish stance.... Tried riser plates but a 260mm waist just doesnt cut it for my 10.5 boots.. What I;m trying to say is.. I want to see an hour long video review on the Biru cause that's the board Im set on buying next time they're in stock.. Love your videos and hope to see more and learn more from you in the future!
Now that you mentioned it.. My Otto has a 8m sidecut and the Biru on the other hand has a 6.9m sidecut. Does that 1m sidecut difference really stand out that much? Since I ride mainly in resorts like 90% of the time I dont think it'll be that much of an issue. Your thoughts? @@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel
I was looking at the Gnu Gremlin... I'm coming from an ancient 152cm board... i wear 10.5 US sized boots, because i have wide fat feet... could likely fit into a 10 easily, or maybe a 9.5 as far as length, but they are super uncomfortable and make my feet go to sleep and feel completwly squished ... I'm about 5'7" tall, and heavy, well over 200lbs . Trying to decide in my next board... would like something that floats well, but also something that should be easy to drive edge to edge, and can carve relatively hard with a heavy rider... but i also like cruising backwards a lot so ability to ride it switch is important... Any suggestions or input? Board I have now is 152cm all mountain twin, fairly symetrical with the exception of the stance being set back about 40mm or so....
@@chilrl7425 sorry, never ridden one. Personally I don’t like TBT. I’ll have an episode on why 3D boards have a few issues in general… I also can’t help but thinking that their quality has suffered since Nidecker moved Bataleon’s production from SWS in Dubai to Titan in China. Has nothing to do with China, just the facility IMO is not that great from the boards I’ve seen and felt so far. Good mid priced boards. But Bataleon for a few years felt more like a higher end brand to me. Those were the SWS years. Anyhow, I’ve heard lots of great things about that particular board. I’m sure it’s a good ride.
I’m so glad to hear your input on the Simple P and Makrill! Wondering if you’d still consider the Makrill a “surfy” ride being that it’s stiffer and more powerful than most boards with that shape and sidecut? I like the idea of a pow board that doesn’t necessarily get put away if the runs get a lil messy or packed but I do have another board for going supersonic!
That Makrill can do that, if your feet are big enough. It is overall more board than the Simple Pleasures. It turns quicker, is faster and has more edge grip. I like both, really! :-)
Hey Lars, great content, thanks again for your invaluable info. You actually sold me my board back when I did my season in Fernie in 2017/2018. You got me on a Nidecker Escape and it was a great choice that I still have and ride today! Trying to figure out my next board, which is quite tough. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
@@williamdore8819 hi!! I feel like I remember you…. Yeah, if you tell me all your specs (height, weight, boot size, level, terrain, riding style/preference) I can probably point you in the right direction.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel It was very random how I found your channel! You featured in another UA-camrs video on carving (in Europe) and I was thinking...this guy reminds me of the dude from the edge of the world in Fernie! Was great to find your content. I'll add you on insta. Would be great to get your input into my next board. Cheers Lars!
@@williamdore8819 haha, yeah, Malcolm found my video and was somewhat impressed with the explanation of biomechanics and commented underneath... We ended up connecting. He's a great guy. I'll do my best to help. Please consider that you're not the only person contacting ma, and that it's all quite time consuming. Cheers!!
Interesting hypothesis but what about gentemstick? Their board with are massive, 280+ despite Japanese being smaller with smaller feet. They’ve been designed wide for a long time.
There are always exceptions to generalizations. Also, most Gentemstick are not nearly that wide. Most of them are fairly normal or only mildly wide. Many are long and on the narrow side. For the most part, only the select boards in the "alternative" category on their site are that wide, and those are designed for floating in the extremely deep snow we all dream about.
Oh, bummer, I thought I had answered that question in this episode when I talked about the Cool Bean! Same thing. Pow specific, quick turning, good conditions boards! Yes, some of the guys over there also ride them on groomers with their small feet. On VERY GOOD GROOMERS! For small feet these waist widths simply don't work in mediocre or bad conditions without putting tons of stress on your ankles. That's really just physics rather than a hypothesis. And then there's my Zeb Powell example: just because he rode a 200cm Nitro Cannon though a halfpipe didn't change pipe boards and what people ride... Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Haha... :-) What @spenserrr says in his comment!! The OG Gentem TT series is mostly around the 250mm waist mark.... Skinny!! Their big mountain line is well below 260mm. They do truly understand to purpose build snowboards!!
Its been over 10 yrs since buying a new board. I only ride 1 week a year in resort so really want 1 board to cover everything from hard packed pistes through chunder to the occasional foray in to powder ( and accept the compromises that go with it! ). The more i read and the more video's i watch the more I get confused 🤯 surprised the Ride warpig didn't get a ment.
Good point! That's a popular board! And it's also an extreme. I find it surprising that a flat camber volume shifted board with a 5m sidecut radius can be so insanely popular. Technically it's a park board for people with big feet... But the majority of snowboarders don't ride park... Confirms my impression that people don't understand specs and simply follow trends and hype, and because most riders don't have much to compare to and the board rides well (with great limitations), they develop the impression that "This Is It!!!". It was the same with rocker around 2008/09. Mega hype, every new snowboarder was on rocker, there was hardly any camber to be bought. Years later you'd put all those people on camber boards and the vast majority went "OMG.... what was I thinking!". They simply didn't know or understand what rocker does. Bottom line is: snowboarding is fun and should always contain fun... but it's really mostly physics that make it more or less fun :-)
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel - love your vids with useful information presented really clearly and without any over hyped bull sh*t 👍 I ride a k2 raygun 159, I'm 6ft 1" 95kg and size 10 uk ( 11 us ) feet and now understand its totally the wrong size so need a new board. I love the easy going catch free nature of the raygun that is forgiving to someone only boarding a week a year but I want something a little more sporty . What would be a good modern equivalent ?
Definitely quiver...its going to take guys like your good self, the James Cherry's the Aaron Sababba's the Ryan Knapton's, the Sean Martin's, a while before we see any real shift in the marketing of snowboards. Fashion plays way to much of a part in pretty much everything we consume. Thanks again for your work mate. 👍
how do you pick a board for jumping in powder? I was in Japan this winter and I used short fat board with short tail that did not give me confidence in jumps or dropping cliffs.
Not trying to make fun of you, but there's no such thing as a board for 'jumping in powder'. If you lack tail, which is totally obvious and I'm saying that in all the videos regarding short or short fat boards, then buy a board with a tail! Get a normal, non short fat pow board. Consider buying longer than what you're used to. Make sure it has features that don't make it FEEL super long (my episode on board length has all of this in it).
Thanks, Lars, for giving an objective and scientific point of view to put people's brains away from marketing and aesthetics. We humans, sometimes ride things just because they look cool, hindering our progression... Watching your videos and living in Stockholm Stranda has recently become attractive... I'm thinking about the Biru for soft boot all-mountain and carving. Which Biru size would you recommend for me being 177cm, 75kg, Mondo 27,3cm (riding 9.5US boots)? Many thanks
Thank you so much for the kind words! Your boot size calls more for the 154. Your height and weight could do either one. The 154 does have a very tight radius, so just keep that in mind. It's super fun to ride, but a small radius like that does put a bit of a speed limit to your carving turns, simply because higher speeds combined with a tight arc produce forces the board and you can't handle. This only comes into play when you really tilt the board high on edge, so that all depends on riding style, ability level and terrain choice.
The Cool Bean is great but the Yes 420 came out much earlier and is probably the first volume shifted snowboard. And like other K2 boards, the specs were wrong, at least for the 150 which waist width is not really 287 mm but more like 282 mm, making the Yes 420 wider. That being said I like the Cool Bean better but it would have been even better if they had made one in 156.
I had assumed that the term volume shifted came from surfing but I don't see any evidence of surfing using that term. My thought was that the Burton Fish was one of the early short-fats and that came from the fish surfboard style. I figured they would need to increase a surfboard's volume to float if it's going to be in the smaller fish format. If the term fully originated in snowboarding it would make sense to be area-shift rather than volume shift because it's less about that volume of the board and more about the surface area. Volume-shift sounds cooler though and my theory could be completely wrong. Nevertheless, it's fun to think about!
I'm with you! Volume and snowboards makes no sense! I think the idea does come from surfing and those fish shapes, but the snowboarding industry spun the story around that word - likely for marketing purposes of a 'new thing'... Wouldn't be the first time! But I don't know that.
Interesting you mention the Orca. I guess the waist width is just what works best for Travis. In some of the Product introduction videos he talks about how he sizes them. He seems to like the shortest one (153) in the steep terrain and goes up in length if the terrain gets flatter to carry speed or the pow gets really deep if he needs more float. I was quite surprised as i got that as a different take from the likes of Jeremy or Xavier which seem to take out the longer boards for the steeper stuff. I guess it makes some sense as you can get the shorter board around quicker and you should pick up less unwanted speed. My take is, that if you ride steeper stuff you ride more on the back of the board, so that part gets more important. Kinda like a shortboard in surfing, where you are more concerned with managing speed the generating. I seem to gravitate towards upwards curved tails. I found that it helps you getting the board around when on the backfoot despite still having a quite functional tail.
Have you tried an Orca? I tried the 156, while Mervin would clearly suggest the 153 for me. I'm 138 lbs..... Within five turns on the 156 I was wishing for a longer or stiffer tail (and camber!). The tail was quite unsupportive. I can't believe that Travis rides that board in the retail version in regards to stiffness in a 153... It would blow my mind, if that was actually the case. I know first hand that Mervin have pros on boards with a certain graphic but not on the model that the graphic shows... Wouldn't be that far fetched to assume that Travis gets a batch of more solid Orcas, although he does say that he rides the standard production model. Danny Davis never rode his Easy Livin' Flying V Rocker in the pipe... (according to himself). So much hype! It's a wild industry! :-)
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Didn‘t have the chance yet. He talks about sizing starting from minute 6: ua-cam.com/video/9LjDm8Cfq8M/v-deo.htmlsi=3H_byeBsd3tNJbl I wouldn‘t have guessed that he has to bullshit people about sizing to sell boards, but who knows. The one i touched at the shop did not feel that soft, but i‘ll have to try how it feels riding. Not sure if what works for him will work for me and don’t think i’ll start riding the same terrain any time soon. I‘m currently on a 162 jones aviator, which i think fits quite nice at 182cm, 200 pounds and shoe size 10.5 us. But i guess i would like to try something rather different and more nimble that works even better in pow. I‘m open to better suggestions :)
@@sp3llb yeah, I watched it. I agree with some things and disagree with others - from a personal riding style and preference perspective. Also, don't forget, Traviscan ride a barn door down a spine and still look better than both of us combined! :-) And he wants to sell snowboards to people that have 5% of his ability level. (Hence my assumption that his own Orca 153 must be stiffer than the shop models)
Thanks for the great content, I am a new snowboarder and I am wondering if you could clear up some information for me How does a volume shifted/party board help in spring conditions? My understanding is that these boards were designed for riding in slushy snow. I am looking at a k2 party platter Thanks again 🏂
I don't think they were DESIGNED for that, but they're quite fun in it! The slushy corn snow on a wide, torsionally soft, short board is fun, because the board sits somewhat on top of it while being highly maneuverable/pivoty. So it feels quite 'surfy', if you will. This goes for soft spring slush and corn snow (ideally the board has a base structure to deal with the high water content and doesn't slow you down through suction). If it's that transition spring snow that consolidates as you push on it (bumpy spring conditions), the wide waist width on a relatively small foot can put quite some stress on the ankles...
Thanks so much for this! I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there about snowboards that it’s so easy to get swept up in the hype. Having said that, I am a big fan of volume shifted boards, especially the dancehaul you’ve mentioned. I ride a 147 and find it super stable even at fast speeds. The only downside of the board is when it’s icy or choppy and steep it’s harder to hold an edge compared to longer boards. Have you ever ridden korua t finder? If so how does it compare to the biru? I feel like they both have a lot of similarities and yet I keep hearing that it’s different. Very tempted to buy it for my wife so that I have an excuse to try it, lol 😂. Btw, both wifey and I have become posi posi converts thanks to you!! Riding has become much more effortless and fluid. Can’t wait to nerd out on your next video!
The Biru is quite a bit stiffer than the Dancehaul... and has a tighter radius than the T Finder. It's also less tapered than the T Finder. I'd say those three all ride quite differently. Only one way to find out! :-) Thanks for your appreciation of my content!! :-)
Wow as someone who is just getting to intermediate territory and thinking of what sort of board to get for my big feet this is very helpful! I'm a size 12 and looking to mostly ride groomers and steep terrain so thinking of trying to get a stiffer board and hopefully grow in to being able to carve on it. Is there a minimum waist width I should be looking at for my foot size? Volume shift would be preferable since I rarely ride park or switch
How heavy and tall are you? If you're freeriding and carving and not riding park, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning 'pro volume shift'?! Unless you're really short, you should rather get a normal snowboard that is wide enough. Freeriding and carving both benefit from length! Waist for a size 12 shouldn't be below 270mm, really... Rather 275, and depending on level of carving can be more.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question! I guess I was mistaken in my learning so far from other sources, it seemed from those that the volume shift is a benefit for free ride, particularly in powder (which as an ice coast rider I should probably not hold my breath for - but hoping to make it out west sometime). To answer your question I usually weigh between 190-200 pounds depending on whether you weight me before or after the Xmas cookies and I'm 5'11'm
Interesting topic! What do you think of the Ride Peace Seeker? It looks kind of volume shifted, but also t just looks like a short carving board. The entering radius is much bigger then the exit radius
"LIKE A SUPERPIG AND A BERZERKER HAD A BABY" :-) - A radius like this is racing inspired: turn early and hard around the gate, then accelerate to the next gate with less turning...: tighter tip than tail radius! Now they put that on a board that goes from a 138 to a 155... I don't understand the board, tbh. I also don't understand why every Ride (and K2) snowboard has 19mm (3/4") setback... That is quite odd... The rider is moved in front of the centre of the sidecut on this board, I am 100% positive! 20mm taper need much more setback on hard snow to push into the sidecut in the right place - unless you want to promote back foot heavy riding!! Anyhow, quite sincerely, I would love to try this board and get surprised by it! I've had that a few times with somewhat weird board designs. But at the surface this looks like one of those boards: "ah, I have a fun idea! that's gonna be cool! let's make a board like this! totally different! Sweeeet!!" but no obvious reasoning.... Ride make great boards, though! So it might work super well. Sorry, no better idea here.
Another great vid Lars! Having a size 11UK (in trainers) feet I've been loving the volume shifted trend over the last 5 years or so. More recently I've been going back to riding longer boards, Cafe Racer (164) and Otto (161) from Korua. I do find that I'm maybe not heavy enough at 76kg for them but that could also be that I'm not experienced enough. Either way I'm enjoying playing with the different shapes and lengths. Love that you go so in-depth into everything. Do you have a patreon or similar where people can ask questions or get advice? I have a couple of boot choice/fit questions I'd be interested to hear your opinion on.
Great comment, and thanks!! I don't have a patreon account, but I recently had people approach me with the idea of 'consultation calls' on whatsapp. Sometimes that's a much better idea to get on the phone.
For my boot size it's so hard to find some board. I have us13 and I don't want to ride 172cm boards. Maybe you have some ideas for an allmountain weight shifted boards for freestyle?
I've never ridden one but would love to try! Serge Dupraz has been around the block and knows snowboards..... His idea with placing the rider in front of the centre of the sidecut on those boards seems super strange to me, hence I'd love to try it. I think the boards are rather specific and maybe not as good as he says for allround/intermediate use. But I don't really know.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel thanks, its definitely on one of my want to buy list but has not seen any recent reviee these days hence I wad wondering why not many youtuber review them
Hi Lars, very interesting as usual. Love these little courses. Is there an email where we can reach you? I have some personal questions about some of the Stranda boards.
You can email me at lars.justaride@gmail.com. I do otherwise offer 'consultation calls' on WhatsApp, since that's often much easier to answer those sometimes specific questions and the emailing takes a lot of time out of my day these days.
I mentioned this in the premier chat but I think a lot of "volume shifted" boards aren't really. The example I tend to jump to is the Hovercraft, which Jones markets as a volume shift, but the size chart still puts me on a 156 or 160, which is pretty much normal. And you can definitely go over the handlebars easier in powder on a short wide. Even if it has the float, if you dip the nose to much it will just dig in, Think of the flying CLK-GTR.
Jones refer more to the overall board design with the Hovercraft. It has a pretty long effective edge for any given size and the nose volume is pretty large. The board is also pretty stiff. I had three of the 160, and according to them I should have been on the 156. But really, if it wasn't that stiff I would have loved to own the 164! Now I'm on a Stranda Shorty 164W, and that is simply a dream board... Outfloats and outcarves the Hovercraft by a fair bit. No spoon needed. Just a much better flex, camber and core profile and better dampening. But the Hover is a great board, don't get me wrong.
What are your specs like weight and boot size? As someone with a quiver of boards ranging in waist width 244 up to 285, I am always curious about peoples specs because it helps but their reviews on snowboards and how they ride into context.
I'm 5'9.5" / 138lbs / Foot: mondo 28 / Boot: Ride Insano size US 10 I generally carve with high board angles and like to be able to do that with very little limitations on any board I own. My waist widths range from 268mm to 275mm.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you! im 165lbs size 9 boot Burton ions mostly and a softer boot when I'm riding park. I change my angles and stance all the time but this season I've been enjoying 27+ and 6+ most frequently.
Hi, it is a bit off topic but your style of riding is the only style I want to ride. Unfortunately I have spent quit a lot of money on ski instructors just to find out I know more about carving and carve bether than them. Anyway do you plan to do a carve snowboard school sometime in the future somewhere in Europe?
Should i be regretting my Mountain Twin. The reviews said it could handle powder ok. But i sank when i rode it powder for the first time last week. To be fair, the stance wasn't set back though.
Well.... buying a twin to ride powder and then having to set back the bindings somewhat defeats the purpose. Yes, it CAN ride powder. No, it's not ideal. :-(
If you mount the binding at reference stance you should already have a setback, because the mountain twin is a directional twin. (longer nose, shorter tail) It's called a twin, because the nose and tail have the same shape and width, but the stance is not centered. I assume that the speed you rode was simply not high enough.
@@cb1p111 Mountain Twin got changed up twice... Currently it's a board with zero setback but 1cm longer nose than tail. At first it was a true twin, then what you described, now it's a mix of the two...
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel on the 2024 mountain twin model you have a reference stance marker for freestyle (centered) and freeride (20mm setback). Use the freeride reference stance and the mountain twins are working fine.
Sorry I put you to sleep. It's not the point of the episode to just talk about every volume shifted board out there... The point was to explain what they do and DON'T do, and that unfortunately needs some explanations. Hope you had a good dream, though! :-)
Surfboard design started moving in this short/wide direction with the resurgence of the San Diego kneeboard fishes and the Richard Kenvin birthed mini Simmons in the early 2000's. I think Kenvin's experiments were fully realized by 2003. Has the volume shifted snowboard concept been around that long? It may have been influenced by that movement I mention above. Having said that, in the early 2000's surfboard designers were simply rediscovering shapes that had been around much longer-even as far back as the paipo boards from the early Hawaiian's. There's not much new in the world.
Yeah, definitely surf inspired! Short fats in snowboarding started around 2013/14 I believe, but not sure. The surf analogy is great! My whole thing is that snowboarders should start looking into the specs and physics properly... Surfers build a quiver that is purposefully put together, while snowboarders often just buy what's cool and then ride it everywhere. No surfer would take a short fat fish shape to Teahupoo, hahaha.... But you will see someone hitting a steep chute on a 145 volume shift board, for sure. :-)
Cross-Country? Trailbike? Tourer? All-Mountains? No, Down Country! Yes Mullet! Plus size tires? No, mid fats! Glad, mountainbikers don't play this 'put it in a strange word game'... Maybe we need a volume shifted water bottle or volume shifted back pack.
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We totally need to talk about board personality in the future. Two very similar boards can be super different when riding and also combined with soft, medium och hard bindings and boots.
Yup!! Surfers are way smarter when picking their boards than snowboarders are....... Purpose and personal style/body proportions are key! Not whether Travis or Danny ride this board.....
So relieved to see this content. I’ve been saying it for years, just because a company states that a deck is volume shifted doesn’t mean that it is. Many manufacturers are simply shifting the geometry and insert packs in the backseat with a mid-wide width and marketing them as volume shifted.
I ran my own volume shifted experiment and bought four “Volume shifted” decks a few years ago. They were:
162 Orca
162 Kemper Aggressor
158 Telos Backslash
157 Battaleon Party Wave +
The only one that remains in my quiver as a true volume shifted snowboard is the PW+ with a waist width of 28.6cm. For reference I am 6’4”, 250lbs, 12us boots and normally ride 166cm and longer with a minimum waist width of 27cm and minimum tail width of around 31cm. IMO most decks are too narrow even when sized for a standard 10us boot. I am very much looking forward to getting on the 170W Cheater. Thanks for the great content.
@@jpwookie22 awesome comment!! Thank you so much! Yeah, I hear you, absolutely!!
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Simple Pleasures, such an underrated board
Absolutely love these nerdy dives. Keep 'em coming.
My daily driver for years has been a flat top Burton Nug. 146. Ww is only 254, but it's 28.5 in the tip and tail.
Also, I was having similar thoughts the other day about VS boards getting narrower and "normal" boards getting wider. Good to hear actual stats on that.
I must say, that your episode on functional board width was a real eye opener for me and I totally agree ! I ride two boards, a 157 by 26.5 cm and a 161 by 27.6 cm and I can tell you that while I can turn the latter one almost as well as the first, the effort is much greater in short tight turns . Also the side cut and the shape of these boards is so different that they ride so very differently. You won’t see me on the 161 in glades and in really rough conditions, too physical even for my 11,5 shoe size. I must also say that I always ride posi-posi angles of front +24 and back +9 . Always informative and on point ! Thank you Lars !
This is probably the most informative video on snowboard dimensions (and their effects) I have watched to date. Many thanks!
Glad you liked it!!
If that is what you think, you DEFINITELY have to watch these ones here as well:
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Thanks Lars. Another very informative video. Once again it reinforces the fact that there is no perfect board for all conditions and all riders and what might be best for one person will not be best for another. That's the problem with a lot of board reviews. Some reviews say something like: "I found this board to be brilliant , so you need to get it too" ... that would only be the case in the scenario where the other person was same physically and in riding style and intending to ride in same conditions! So I totally agree with your thoughts about knowing all the specs of a board and understanding the impact each characteristic (length, width, sidecut, stifeness, etc) will have and choosing appropriately for yourself. 🙂 Thanks again.
Another river of golden nuggets!
Thank you, Lars.
Appreciate you for sharing the knowledge.
Very valuable insights.
Thank you so much!
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel It's my pleasure, Lars.
Great quality, in detail content.
As I've mentioned before, the best snowboarding content channel 👏
Kudos!
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you are truly explained so many details regarding the snowboard designs!!!! learned so much from your contents~~ thank you so much^
I'm not done yet ;-)
Thanks for the kind words!!
Love your work Lars! Such a great channel!
Thank you so much!! :-)
Dude Dude Dude Dude!! Love your take on things!! This time last year I bought a 152 dancehaul. Had 20 days days on it this winter and except a few powder days were the board was amazing and fast turning in the trees, I thought it was unstable and Washie everywhere else. Hated it! Jumped back on my old 158w Assassin to finish my season and couldn’t believe how faster I could ride and how at home it felt! Totally agree, when like me you have ridden wide boards for 30 years a volume shift board is just a skateboard with loose trucks that can’t go fast or ride choppy piste. my season is finished this year so I’ve just bought a 161W ride deep fake for next season. Might as well get something stiffer and more free ride for carving and charging! Dancehaul is hanging on the wall only to see the light of a powder day in the trees!
Cheers
I feel ya! :-)
I also had a 158w Assassin and now own a 157 Dancehaul. Went for the 157 cause I wanted more edge and width. Definitely feel like I made the right choice.
Very interesting, thank you Lans
As someone with size 13 feet and a normal weight (75-85kg) I've always disliked how manufacturers assume you are some mammoth over 110 kg and always used to made wide boards ultra long, stiff and not wide enough. So I'm loving this new trend. As I am getting better at carving these past few weeks thanks to your videos, James' videos and a few japanese tutorials(by rama), I am starting to boot out on my 153 Orca. When I bought it, there wasn't that much choice on the market, whereas right now I feel like there are soo many boards to pick from. I might end up with a Korua because of the width and also because I'm brainwashed by their videos.
One extra thing that is omitted here is width at inserts. Thegoodride covers that well.
Maybe you know some nice boards for that boot size?
you have to ride specific boards like ride pigs
@@bebespursRide pig series, Salomon Dancehaul, most Koruas, Stranda Biru and others, Lib Tech Skunk Ape, Yes Warca
K2 Excavator has been a revelation this season; one board quiver for my style of riding.
Very informative. Would love you to check out Cardiff Powgoda board
Super interesting! I love the very pragmatic and sensible approach you have! Never really heard anyone talk about how board width and foot size relate... other than saying that a wider board is a bit harder to get on edge.
I've more or less queued up all your videos to understand what I'm going to want to be looking for for the upcoming season for getting back into snowboarding. I'm one of your typical customers like you mentioned in the stance series in that I don't ride switch, I don't ride park, I just want to enjoy the mountain and hopefully learn how to carve properly, and I've always enjoyed longboarding over riding in skate parks too...
I think this is why Stranda speaks to me in terms of their philosophy on how what type of boards they want to make, and why I find it very difficult to find a board that sounds interesting from other brands since they are so focused on park riding etc. At first I was really interested in the Biru, but as a 177 cm, 85-ish kg guy with 25,5-ish cm feet I'm starting to lean more towards the Shorty and Descender. But my goal is to get my friends to come with me early in the season to a demo event week so I can try them out and see what fits me before I decide on what will be my first board ever.
Awesome comment!! Thank you for sharing!
The Shorty will be the best one out of those. Biru is too wide and an aggressive turner. Descender is stiff and a sluggish turner in comparison, it’s more meant for speed stability than for turning (turns great, but requires much more effort!). Shorty is simply smooth and does what you want it to do, both, in powder and on groomers. Absolutely fantastic board.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you for your insights! That was kind of how I was thinking too from reading Strandas descriptions!
In that case I think I will focus on trying the Shorty in multiple lengths if possible! I'm not the most confident snowboarder (yet), but I'm thinking I should probably go for the 164 over 159 to have a bit more board to "grow into"? I do have that skiiers mentality of wanting to improve my technique every time I am on the mountain like you talked about in the video about snowboarding having grown up, I'm that exact 34 year old person you were talking about. So as long as it's not unbearably difficult I think I would prefer a board that challenges me while still feeling nimble.. maybe I shouldn't be afraid to try the 169 either?
I also want to try a Bataleon board I think, because I want to try their funky 3D shaped nose and tail and see what it feels like. I'm skeptical but at the same time intrigued by the design!
Thank you once again for all the insights you are sharing with us and for putting it in terms that are easy to understand!
@@SuperPhelix thanks for the appreciation!
If switch is not on the menu, you could try a 162 Tree Surfer. Same bottom contour as Shorty, maybe a hint softer, slightly easier to turn.
The 169 Shorty is too much. 164 will be something to grow into. Stranda is torsionally stiffer than other boards. So 164 is quite some board, although it turns super nicely. Tree Surfer definitely turns easier.
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You should add the link to the short video that you did recently on the "breakdown of the Makrill", where you took it for a "pow run", but ended up using it in mix conditions. Thanks for the content! Keep 'em coming.
This channel is a gift! Just keeps getting better and better, and super consistent! Thanks dude! Btw, where is your board shop based? Would be awesome to visit in person!
Thanks for the kind words!!
I'm in Fernie, BC, Canada. But it's really just a nice 'shed' in my yard where I tune boards. Nothing worth visiting, haha... But if you're ever around, come by for a chat! :-)
I’m 5’5 170 9.5 boot and I just ordered a 148 gremlin. Usually ride a gilson slayer at 149 ,or my old Lamar 151. 🤷🏻♂️ every board I ride,after 5 min I’m like ok,this is cool. Depending on conditions of course but I just carve and do some small side hits.
Whoa. I'm 5'6" 165 and my boards range from 159 to 170. My next board will probably be shorter, though.
Oh man, I was close to buying a makrill on sale and regret that I hesitated. Beautiful board… I have mixed feelings about volume shift though kind of looking at the Tree surfer now cos I really wanna try a Stranda.
I’m in Whistler and the snow is often wet and heavy coastal pow. I usually ride a 160+ board like you (160lbs, size11s) then a few years ago I got a 148 Telos backslash and loved it for a while, until I realized the float and stability was lacking. I got the 153 in a splitboard too and it floated much better but being shorter and fatter is a hindrance on the skin track. Less grip. Also less grip on icy groomers. Now my go to split is a 163 Amplid milligram. And I much prefer a ‘moderate’ volume shift like my K2 Excavator 158 on a deep pow day as it’s unsinkable and still is nimble in trees.
Love your channel and insight. I really want to try a Stranda out!
I completely hear you, and you're naming all the right things! Good on you! Not many people ever get that far in their experience and perception.
My recommendation is to get the new TreeSurfer size 162W. Gonna be in stock soon. 270 waist and meant to be ridden longer. Dream board!!
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The Gremlin rocks!! Also the smallest is 148, with even less width. A board for any occasion imo!!
Hi Lars, thanks for your great videos..extremely informative. Love K2 boards. Currently on the 157 Simple Pleasures after the Carveair. Two of the best boards I’ve ever ridden. I’d love to pick up a Stranda and I’m wondering if you would recommend the Makrill for my type of riding..try to ride as fast as my nerve will allow, love trying to carve also. I’m roughly 215 lbs, 5’10” and am riding the Ride Insano. Thanks for your help
Most confidence inspiring board at speed is the Descender. The Makrill is fast, but a 153 short/fat fish does not feel stable. With your height and weight the 161 Descender is perfect for a fast and stable ride. If you’re over a 10.5 boot, get the 162W.
Nah people don't want to use their head anymore. They just want the orca to become part of the orca pod 😂.
In all honesty great video. I have amassed a quiver of 8 boards currently and I ride each of them depending on conditions and all sorts of variables. When the gear compliments the conditions just right the riding is so much easier and way more fun!
sounds like you haven’t tried an Orca (at least not in the right size)
I recently bought the Ride Warpig and it's the best all mountain board I can imagine
Taper talk. What it does in the carve. Release and does it affect the radius?
Gonna be its own episode!
I ride a 157 Korua Otto but ever since improving my carving and starting to get really low I've been booting out consistently.. Tried shifting to posi posi but I really like the freestyle options for duckish stance.... Tried riser plates but a 260mm waist just doesnt cut it for my 10.5 boots.. What I;m trying to say is.. I want to see an hour long video review on the Biru cause that's the board Im set on buying next time they're in stock.. Love your videos and hope to see more and learn more from you in the future!
Biru is a very good carver, if you're happy with a tight radius. Powerful board!!
Now that you mentioned it.. My Otto has a 8m sidecut and the Biru on the other hand has a 6.9m sidecut. Does that 1m sidecut difference really stand out that much? Since I ride mainly in resorts like 90% of the time I dont think it'll be that much of an issue. Your thoughts? @@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel
@@ArPak831 definitely noticeable. And totally preference. Sorry, hard to help with that decision.
I figured as much.. Thanks for the time and feedback mate! @@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel
I was looking at the Gnu Gremlin...
I'm coming from an ancient 152cm board... i wear 10.5 US sized boots, because i have wide fat feet... could likely fit into a 10 easily, or maybe a 9.5 as far as length, but they are super uncomfortable and make my feet go to sleep and feel completwly squished ...
I'm about 5'7" tall, and heavy, well over 200lbs .
Trying to decide in my next board... would like something that floats well, but also something that should be easy to drive edge to edge, and can carve relatively hard with a heavy rider... but i also like cruising backwards a lot so ability to ride it switch is important...
Any suggestions or input?
Board I have now is 152cm all mountain twin, fairly symetrical with the exception of the stance being set back about 40mm or so....
@@isaiahfurrow7414 Gremlin is good. Check out K2 Passport and Instrument, too.
I picked up a '24 bataleon party wave plus and I'd love your take on it. 28cm waist width but with 3bt it rolls edge to edge quite easy.
@@chilrl7425 sorry, never ridden one. Personally I don’t like TBT. I’ll have an episode on why 3D boards have a few issues in general… I also can’t help but thinking that their quality has suffered since Nidecker moved Bataleon’s production from SWS in Dubai to Titan in China. Has nothing to do with China, just the facility IMO is not that great from the boards I’ve seen and felt so far. Good mid priced boards. But Bataleon for a few years felt more like a higher end brand to me. Those were the SWS years.
Anyhow, I’ve heard lots of great things about that particular board. I’m sure it’s a good ride.
I’m so glad to hear your input on the Simple P and Makrill! Wondering if you’d still consider the Makrill a “surfy” ride being that it’s stiffer and more powerful than most boards with that shape and sidecut? I like the idea of a pow board that doesn’t necessarily get put away if the runs get a lil messy or packed but I do have another board for going supersonic!
That Makrill can do that, if your feet are big enough. It is overall more board than the Simple Pleasures. It turns quicker, is faster and has more edge grip. I like both, really! :-)
I need a video review of the biru and shorty preferably 1hour or 2. So i can feel validated. Thanks 👍
hahahaha....... ok, i'll make it three hours!! :-)
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel you might have to make it 5 hours and toss in the descender, makrill and the new pipliner 2.0 😉
I have the Cheater, Makrill and Descender. Love them all but the Descender is the best board I’ve ever ridden bar none. Very curious about the Biru!
Can you do a introduction on Stranda boards and how they differ compare to other brands
Hey Lars, great content, thanks again for your invaluable info. You actually sold me my board back when I did my season in Fernie in 2017/2018. You got me on a Nidecker Escape and it was a great choice that I still have and ride today! Trying to figure out my next board, which is quite tough. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
@@williamdore8819 hi!! I feel like I remember you….
Yeah, if you tell me all your specs (height, weight, boot size, level, terrain, riding style/preference) I can probably point you in the right direction.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel It was very random how I found your channel! You featured in another UA-camrs video on carving (in Europe) and I was thinking...this guy reminds me of the dude from the edge of the world in Fernie! Was great to find your content. I'll add you on insta. Would be great to get your input into my next board. Cheers Lars!
@@williamdore8819 haha, yeah, Malcolm found my video and was somewhat impressed with the explanation of biomechanics and commented underneath... We ended up connecting. He's a great guy.
I'll do my best to help. Please consider that you're not the only person contacting ma, and that it's all quite time consuming. Cheers!!
Interesting hypothesis but what about gentemstick? Their board with are massive, 280+ despite Japanese being smaller with smaller feet. They’ve been designed wide for a long time.
There are always exceptions to generalizations. Also, most Gentemstick are not nearly that wide. Most of them are fairly normal or only mildly wide. Many are long and on the narrow side. For the most part, only the select boards in the "alternative" category on their site are that wide, and those are designed for floating in the extremely deep snow we all dream about.
Oh, bummer, I thought I had answered that question in this episode when I talked about the Cool Bean! Same thing. Pow specific, quick turning, good conditions boards! Yes, some of the guys over there also ride them on groomers with their small feet. On VERY GOOD GROOMERS! For small feet these waist widths simply don't work in mediocre or bad conditions without putting tons of stress on your ankles. That's really just physics rather than a hypothesis.
And then there's my Zeb Powell example: just because he rode a 200cm Nitro Cannon though a halfpipe didn't change pipe boards and what people ride... Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Haha... :-)
What @spenserrr says in his comment!!
The OG Gentem TT series is mostly around the 250mm waist mark.... Skinny!! Their big mountain line is well below 260mm. They do truly understand to purpose build snowboards!!
Its been over 10 yrs since buying a new board. I only ride 1 week a year in resort so really want 1 board to cover everything from hard packed pistes through chunder to the occasional foray in to powder ( and accept the compromises that go with it! ). The more i read and the more video's i watch the more I get confused 🤯 surprised the Ride warpig didn't get a ment.
Good point! That's a popular board!
And it's also an extreme. I find it surprising that a flat camber volume shifted board with a 5m sidecut radius can be so insanely popular. Technically it's a park board for people with big feet... But the majority of snowboarders don't ride park... Confirms my impression that people don't understand specs and simply follow trends and hype, and because most riders don't have much to compare to and the board rides well (with great limitations), they develop the impression that "This Is It!!!". It was the same with rocker around 2008/09. Mega hype, every new snowboarder was on rocker, there was hardly any camber to be bought. Years later you'd put all those people on camber boards and the vast majority went "OMG.... what was I thinking!". They simply didn't know or understand what rocker does. Bottom line is: snowboarding is fun and should always contain fun... but it's really mostly physics that make it more or less fun :-)
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel - love your vids with useful information presented really clearly and without any over hyped bull sh*t 👍 I ride a k2 raygun 159, I'm 6ft 1" 95kg and size 10 uk ( 11 us ) feet and now understand its totally the wrong size so need a new board. I love the easy going catch free nature of the raygun that is forgiving to someone only boarding a week a year but I want something a little more sporty . What would be a good modern equivalent ?
@@ianwoodvine5558 is there no bigger, wider Raygun? K2 broadcast 163w or a Manifest maybe.
Definitely quiver...its going to take guys like your good self, the James Cherry's the Aaron Sababba's the Ryan Knapton's, the Sean Martin's, a while before we see any real shift in the marketing of snowboards. Fashion plays way to much of a part in pretty much everything we consume. Thanks again for your work mate. 👍
how do you pick a board for jumping in powder? I was in Japan this winter and I used short fat board with short tail that did not give me confidence in jumps or dropping cliffs.
Not trying to make fun of you, but there's no such thing as a board for 'jumping in powder'. If you lack tail, which is totally obvious and I'm saying that in all the videos regarding short or short fat boards, then buy a board with a tail!
Get a normal, non short fat pow board. Consider buying longer than what you're used to. Make sure it has features that don't make it FEEL super long (my episode on board length has all of this in it).
Thanks, Lars, for giving an objective and scientific point of view to put people's brains away from marketing and aesthetics. We humans, sometimes ride things just because they look cool, hindering our progression... Watching your videos and living in Stockholm Stranda has recently become attractive... I'm thinking about the Biru for soft boot all-mountain and carving. Which Biru size would you recommend for me being 177cm, 75kg, Mondo 27,3cm (riding 9.5US boots)? Many thanks
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Your boot size calls more for the 154. Your height and weight could do either one. The 154 does have a very tight radius, so just keep that in mind. It's super fun to ride, but a small radius like that does put a bit of a speed limit to your carving turns, simply because higher speeds combined with a tight arc produce forces the board and you can't handle. This only comes into play when you really tilt the board high on edge, so that all depends on riding style, ability level and terrain choice.
The Cool Bean is great but the Yes 420 came out much earlier and is probably the first volume shifted snowboard. And like other K2 boards, the specs were wrong, at least for the 150 which waist width is not really 287 mm but more like 282 mm, making the Yes 420 wider. That being said I like the Cool Bean better but it would have been even better if they had made one in 156.
I had assumed that the term volume shifted came from surfing but I don't see any evidence of surfing using that term. My thought was that the Burton Fish was one of the early short-fats and that came from the fish surfboard style. I figured they would need to increase a surfboard's volume to float if it's going to be in the smaller fish format. If the term fully originated in snowboarding it would make sense to be area-shift rather than volume shift because it's less about that volume of the board and more about the surface area. Volume-shift sounds cooler though and my theory could be completely wrong. Nevertheless, it's fun to think about!
I'm with you! Volume and snowboards makes no sense! I think the idea does come from surfing and those fish shapes, but the snowboarding industry spun the story around that word - likely for marketing purposes of a 'new thing'... Wouldn't be the first time! But I don't know that.
Interesting you mention the Orca. I guess the waist width is just what works best for Travis.
In some of the Product introduction videos he talks about how he sizes them.
He seems to like the shortest one (153) in the steep terrain and goes up in length if the terrain gets flatter to carry speed or the pow gets really deep if he needs more float.
I was quite surprised as i got that as a different take from the likes of Jeremy or Xavier which seem to take out the longer boards for the steeper stuff.
I guess it makes some sense as you can get the shorter board around quicker and you should pick up less unwanted speed.
My take is, that if you ride steeper stuff you ride more on the back of the board, so that part gets more important.
Kinda like a shortboard in surfing, where you are more concerned with managing speed the generating.
I seem to gravitate towards upwards curved tails.
I found that it helps you getting the board around when on the backfoot despite still having a quite functional tail.
Have you tried an Orca?
I tried the 156, while Mervin would clearly suggest the 153 for me. I'm 138 lbs..... Within five turns on the 156 I was wishing for a longer or stiffer tail (and camber!). The tail was quite unsupportive. I can't believe that Travis rides that board in the retail version in regards to stiffness in a 153... It would blow my mind, if that was actually the case.
I know first hand that Mervin have pros on boards with a certain graphic but not on the model that the graphic shows... Wouldn't be that far fetched to assume that Travis gets a batch of more solid Orcas, although he does say that he rides the standard production model.
Danny Davis never rode his Easy Livin' Flying V Rocker in the pipe... (according to himself). So much hype! It's a wild industry! :-)
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Didn‘t have the chance yet.
He talks about sizing starting from minute 6:
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I wouldn‘t have guessed that he has to bullshit people about sizing to sell boards, but who knows.
The one i touched at the shop did not feel that soft, but i‘ll have to try how it feels riding.
Not sure if what works for him will work for me and don’t think i’ll start riding the same terrain any time soon.
I‘m currently on a 162 jones aviator, which i think fits quite nice at 182cm, 200 pounds and shoe size 10.5 us.
But i guess i would like to try something rather different and more nimble that works even better in pow.
I‘m open to better suggestions :)
@@sp3llb yeah, I watched it. I agree with some things and disagree with others - from a personal riding style and preference perspective. Also, don't forget, Traviscan ride a barn door down a spine and still look better than both of us combined! :-) And he wants to sell snowboards to people that have 5% of his ability level. (Hence my assumption that his own Orca 153 must be stiffer than the shop models)
Thanks for the great content, I am a new snowboarder and I am wondering if you could clear up some information for me
How does a volume shifted/party board help in spring conditions? My understanding is that these boards were designed for riding in slushy snow. I am looking at a k2 party platter
Thanks again 🏂
I don't think they were DESIGNED for that, but they're quite fun in it! The slushy corn snow on a wide, torsionally soft, short board is fun, because the board sits somewhat on top of it while being highly maneuverable/pivoty. So it feels quite 'surfy', if you will. This goes for soft spring slush and corn snow (ideally the board has a base structure to deal with the high water content and doesn't slow you down through suction). If it's that transition spring snow that consolidates as you push on it (bumpy spring conditions), the wide waist width on a relatively small foot can put quite some stress on the ankles...
depend on which country you ride，In Japan you definitely need a short fat quiver board for the tight trees
Thanks so much for this! I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there about snowboards that it’s so easy to get swept up in the hype. Having said that, I am a big fan of volume shifted boards, especially the dancehaul you’ve mentioned. I ride a 147 and find it super stable even at fast speeds. The only downside of the board is when it’s icy or choppy and steep it’s harder to hold an edge compared to longer boards.
Have you ever ridden korua t finder? If so how does it compare to the biru? I feel like they both have a lot of similarities and yet I keep hearing that it’s different. Very tempted to buy it for my wife so that I have an excuse to try it, lol 😂.
Btw, both wifey and I have become posi posi converts thanks to you!! Riding has become much more effortless and fluid.
Can’t wait to nerd out on your next video!
The Biru is quite a bit stiffer than the Dancehaul... and has a tighter radius than the T Finder. It's also less tapered than the T Finder. I'd say those three all ride quite differently. Only one way to find out! :-)
Thanks for your appreciation of my content!! :-)
Wow as someone who is just getting to intermediate territory and thinking of what sort of board to get for my big feet this is very helpful! I'm a size 12 and looking to mostly ride groomers and steep terrain so thinking of trying to get a stiffer board and hopefully grow in to being able to carve on it. Is there a minimum waist width I should be looking at for my foot size? Volume shift would be preferable since I rarely ride park or switch
How heavy and tall are you?
If you're freeriding and carving and not riding park, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning 'pro volume shift'?! Unless you're really short, you should rather get a normal snowboard that is wide enough. Freeriding and carving both benefit from length!
Waist for a size 12 shouldn't be below 270mm, really... Rather 275, and depending on level of carving can be more.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question! I guess I was mistaken in my learning so far from other sources, it seemed from those that the volume shift is a benefit for free ride, particularly in powder (which as an ice coast rider I should probably not hold my breath for - but hoping to make it out west sometime).
To answer your question I usually weigh between 190-200 pounds depending on whether you weight me before or after the Xmas cookies and I'm 5'11'm
Interesting topic! What do you think of the Ride Peace Seeker? It looks kind of volume shifted, but also t just looks like a short carving board. The entering radius is much bigger then the exit radius
"LIKE A SUPERPIG AND A BERZERKER HAD A BABY" :-)
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A radius like this is racing inspired: turn early and hard around the gate, then accelerate to the next gate with less turning...: tighter tip than tail radius!
Now they put that on a board that goes from a 138 to a 155...
I don't understand the board, tbh. I also don't understand why every Ride (and K2) snowboard has 19mm (3/4") setback... That is quite odd... The rider is moved in front of the centre of the sidecut on this board, I am 100% positive! 20mm taper need much more setback on hard snow to push into the sidecut in the right place - unless you want to promote back foot heavy riding!!
Anyhow, quite sincerely, I would love to try this board and get surprised by it! I've had that a few times with somewhat weird board designs. But at the surface this looks like one of those boards: "ah, I have a fun idea! that's gonna be cool! let's make a board like this! totally different! Sweeeet!!" but no obvious reasoning.... Ride make great boards, though! So it might work super well. Sorry, no better idea here.
Another great vid Lars! Having a size 11UK (in trainers) feet I've been loving the volume shifted trend over the last 5 years or so. More recently I've been going back to riding longer boards, Cafe Racer (164) and Otto (161) from Korua. I do find that I'm maybe not heavy enough at 76kg for them but that could also be that I'm not experienced enough. Either way I'm enjoying playing with the different shapes and lengths. Love that you go so in-depth into everything. Do you have a patreon or similar where people can ask questions or get advice? I have a couple of boot choice/fit questions I'd be interested to hear your opinion on.
Great comment, and thanks!!
I don't have a patreon account, but I recently had people approach me with the idea of 'consultation calls' on whatsapp. Sometimes that's a much better idea to get on the phone.
Sounds like something that could be really useful.
@@MrSpenceification email me to lars.justaride@gmail.com.
For my boot size it's so hard to find some board. I have us13 and I don't want to ride 172cm boards. Maybe you have some ideas for an allmountain weight shifted boards for freestyle?
K2 Party Platter, Stranda Biru, ... there must be tons out there!
Whats your opinion on Dupraz snowboard for intermediate use? haven't seen many ppl review them is it still worth buying?
I've never ridden one but would love to try! Serge Dupraz has been around the block and knows snowboards..... His idea with placing the rider in front of the centre of the sidecut on those boards seems super strange to me, hence I'd love to try it.
I think the boards are rather specific and maybe not as good as he says for allround/intermediate use. But I don't really know.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel thanks, its definitely on one of my want to buy list but has not seen any recent reviee these days hence I wad wondering why not many youtuber review them
Hi Lars, very interesting as usual. Love these little courses. Is there an email where we can reach you? I have some personal questions about some of the Stranda boards.
You can email me at lars.justaride@gmail.com.
I do otherwise offer 'consultation calls' on WhatsApp, since that's often much easier to answer those sometimes specific questions and the emailing takes a lot of time out of my day these days.
I mentioned this in the premier chat but I think a lot of "volume shifted" boards aren't really. The example I tend to jump to is the Hovercraft, which Jones markets as a volume shift, but the size chart still puts me on a 156 or 160, which is pretty much normal.
And you can definitely go over the handlebars easier in powder on a short wide. Even if it has the float, if you dip the nose to much it will just dig in, Think of the flying CLK-GTR.
Jones refer more to the overall board design with the Hovercraft. It has a pretty long effective edge for any given size and the nose volume is pretty large. The board is also pretty stiff. I had three of the 160, and according to them I should have been on the 156. But really, if it wasn't that stiff I would have loved to own the 164! Now I'm on a Stranda Shorty 164W, and that is simply a dream board... Outfloats and outcarves the Hovercraft by a fair bit. No spoon needed. Just a much better flex, camber and core profile and better dampening. But the Hover is a great board, don't get me wrong.
What are your specs like weight and boot size? As someone with a quiver of boards ranging in waist width 244 up to 285, I am always curious about peoples specs because it helps but their reviews on snowboards and how they ride into context.
I'm 5'9.5" / 138lbs / Foot: mondo 28 / Boot: Ride Insano size US 10
I generally carve with high board angles and like to be able to do that with very little limitations on any board I own. My waist widths range from 268mm to 275mm.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you! im 165lbs size 9 boot Burton ions mostly and a softer boot when I'm riding park. I change my angles and stance all the time but this season I've been enjoying 27+ and 6+ most frequently.
As a light tall guy with big feet, this topic is very important to me.
You might be made for riding these boards all day everywhere!!
Hi, it is a bit off topic but your style of riding is the only style I want to ride. Unfortunately I have spent quit a lot of money on ski instructors just to find out I know more about carving and carve bether than them. Anyway do you plan to do a carve snowboard school sometime in the future somewhere in Europe?
I offer video analysis, if that's a good compromise for you. Email me to lars.justaride@gmail.com if you want to know more about it. :-)
I am no longer just a snowboarder I am a volume shifted snowboarder 🤣
@@beeegeeedeee love it!! 😅😂
Should i be regretting my Mountain Twin. The reviews said it could handle powder ok.
But i sank when i rode it powder for the first time last week. To be fair, the stance wasn't set back though.
Well.... buying a twin to ride powder and then having to set back the bindings somewhat defeats the purpose. Yes, it CAN ride powder. No, it's not ideal. :-(
If you mount the binding at reference stance you should already have a setback, because the mountain twin is a directional twin. (longer nose, shorter tail)
It's called a twin, because the nose and tail have the same shape and width, but the stance is not centered.
I assume that the speed you rode was simply not high enough.
@@cb1p111 Mountain Twin got changed up twice... Currently it's a board with zero setback but 1cm longer nose than tail. At first it was a true twin, then what you described, now it's a mix of the two...
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel on the 2024 mountain twin model you have a reference stance marker for freestyle (centered) and freeride (20mm setback). Use the freeride reference stance and the mountain twins are working fine.
Ok you explain volume shifted board just need to show différent modèle how they built Excel in witch condition
Speek to much im sleeping
Sorry I put you to sleep.
It's not the point of the episode to just talk about every volume shifted board out there... The point was to explain what they do and DON'T do, and that unfortunately needs some explanations. Hope you had a good dream, though! :-)
Surfboard design started moving in this short/wide direction with the resurgence of the San Diego kneeboard fishes and the Richard Kenvin birthed mini Simmons in the early 2000's. I think Kenvin's experiments were fully realized by 2003. Has the volume shifted snowboard concept been around that long? It may have been influenced by that movement I mention above. Having said that, in the early 2000's surfboard designers were simply rediscovering shapes that had been around much longer-even as far back as the paipo boards from the early Hawaiian's. There's not much new in the world.
Yeah, definitely surf inspired! Short fats in snowboarding started around 2013/14 I believe, but not sure.
The surf analogy is great! My whole thing is that snowboarders should start looking into the specs and physics properly... Surfers build a quiver that is purposefully put together, while snowboarders often just buy what's cool and then ride it everywhere. No surfer would take a short fat fish shape to Teahupoo, hahaha.... But you will see someone hitting a steep chute on a 145 volume shift board, for sure. :-)
Cross-Country? Trailbike? Tourer? All-Mountains?
No, Down Country! Yes Mullet!
Plus size tires? No, mid fats!
Glad, mountainbikers don't play this 'put it in a strange word game'...
Maybe we need a volume shifted water bottle or volume shifted back pack.