DO NOT Paint A Stranger's Warhammer Army!
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:43 Prep & Prime
3:18 Basing
4:23 Color Scheme
7:13 Metallics
9:36 Magic from Below
11:18 Does Anyone Read These?
11:50 OIL ME UP
13:14 Dry Brushery
13:52 Please Make It Stop
14:45 Final Touches and Grand Reveal - Навчання та стиль
Worked for 4 years full time as a commission painter, ended up doing work for companies painting their upcoming releases as a freelancer. In that time I painted about 10 times more armies than I ever have for myself. Learnt a lot about costing, time management, efficiency in painting techniques etc. But it got to a point where I never felt like I was progressing because I didn't have time to push myself. Time meant money. I couldn't afford to mess around and try new things, so my painting became faster but my level stagnated. I got really really unhappy. In the end I shut up shop and got a normal 9-5 office job. It took me 8 months to pick up a paint brush again....and I was always a painter more than a gamer. Now I've applied those techniques learnt over the 4 years and I've started applying them to getting armies for myself done, but I am getting better because if I want to take a bit of time to experiment I can without fear of losing money. I am thoroughly enjoying painting again, and I even take on a few commissions here and there for single pieces or small warbands that I think I'll enjoy. I got out at the right time, it almost killed the passion for the hobby I've been involved in for 25 years.
That's awesome to hear!! I went through something similar with school. Too much work completely killed my drive to create, however through proper time management, medication, and working myself up I've been able to not only paint every new model I get; But also get back into Gunpla! (a childhood hobby of mine) Keep up the good work!
@@jacklangford7149 Been there done that.
so basickly you are telling us in your free time you didnt bother to improve.... jesus fucking christ.
and you didnt even found a balance between what you loved to do and what you did? really... sounds to me like you got some issues.
I’m not reading all that but good job I think
Have you tried painting in VR ?
The moment Jon is unpacking and you think to yourself "he's f*cked" then Jon deadass looks you in the eyes and says "I'm f*cked".
7 years??? 7 YEARS???
*triggered*
🤣🤣
I don’t know what you’re talking about
😂🤣😂 I love any and every interaction between you two! Keep up the good work, both of you, please!
And, Jon... damned beautiful work, and that orange glow through the full army shot is spectacular!
Only 7?
Jon! I have the same pump. They're pricey, but as someone who's used every major brand of pump I can tell you that you picked the best of the bunch. Good luck with managing you diabetes man, you got the best tool to manage it safely and live a normal-ish life
This plus the Dexcom CGM is truly life changing. So glad I have it!
Completely agree! I joined from Medtronic in February and I love the Tandem/Dexcom. My ONLY complaint is the cost of 10 units to reset pump and the slight waste of insulin left in the cartridge at the end (when it thinks it's empty)
Same! 10 units is an absolute waist. But the CGM has really helped my A1C.
It's mind boggling to me how America's health care works. Does it work? I understand that cosmetic surgeries are something that you have to pay yourself, but something that you need to stay alive? No sir. We have limit in what you have to pay yourself in year for all your meds (about 600 dollars) and after that everything is free. And you get all pumps etc for free because you need them and our government wants you to stay alive and healthy.
I mean even 600 bucks is pretty high. Manageable for younger folks with a job but older folks or the working poor are going to have trouble.
2:35 already have a fatherly smile on my ugly face.
As a commission painter let me give you all potential entrepreneurs a bit of wisdom: NEVER accept a big job if it's not already assembled. Not only is a big waste of time that clients assume it's gonna be magically instantaneous, as if their mind was focusing on the paint without considering previous steps, it's also another potential point of contention; you see people are generally stupid, they will want specific poses without telling you or they will change their minds midway through assembly. Yes, they will be stupid throughout the painting stage as well but at least that's your job. You're a commission PAINTER, not assembler.
Yah I learned my lesson here, big oof
I charge extra for assembling.
Several commission painters I know refuse to paint preassembled models because the work reflects on them regardless and plenty of people are frankly terrible at assembly. However, if you're doing it, you need to charge for it.
@@SparkSovereign Yup, I was a commission painter for 4 years, quite successfully, ending up with contracts with gaming companies to paint their releases etc. In private commissions I refused to paint pre assembled stuff. Two reasons, I could guarantee subassemblies that made sense to my painting process, and secondly the quality issue. Someone sends you models with mold lines, gaps, glue overspill etc, you either spend uncharged time fixing crap or you ignore it and paint away. Given most new commission work is gained on the quality of your work, that really isn't an option. So then you end up with a commission that you can't use pictures from for advertising/social media because you look like a lazy crap painter who doesn't know how to clean a model up or assmble it without using a vat of glue too much...
Agreed! I’ve painted for over 32 years, I charge waaay more if I have to assemble.. lol I should also clarify, if they look rough, I’ll refuse the work, but I’m a retired old guy.. lol
I took my first commission job about 6 months ago and was completely shocked with how many new things I was willing to try and how many more risks I was willing to take on someone else's models. In the end, I partially felt like I was payed to go to school. It helped me to see how uptight I am with my own models, and how rewarding loosening up can be.
Such a *MASSIVE* achievement! The person who comissioned this is extremely lucky. I especially like the shade on the texture paint of the bases, great idea!
Meanwhile, I've taken months to get through my Sylvaneth Start Collecting box...
My Ork army took about 5 years to a place where you can play it properly. There is no reason to rush through. Play some small games in the meantime and enjoy the ride :D
A first army almost always takes too long, repaintings, and overthinking lol. Ironically my Daemons are very forgiving
I've had a Seraphon starter box on my desk since January. Don't beat yourself up.
Love your vids winter (:
Ser Winter plays Warhammer?!
Hooooooooo my God, even from the beginning of the video I FELT the burnout of how it will be to clean, build, prep, and paint all those miniatures all as one project over the course of a month or two... I couldn't have done it so, WELL DONE!
Can we talk about how much Jon is killing it in the youtube game? Just 1 year in and he's already on my top UA-camr list! Keep going Jon I'm so excited for what you're gonna do for the hobby!
Been seeing him for a while. Just suscribed. Top quality content so far
Jon is a dude!
can we talk about the political and economic state of the world right now?
7:57 this is why I've never followed the advice for "find a job doing what you love and you'll never work a day in your life". In my experience, anything that I have to do repeatedly, day in day out, regardless of how much I might start out enjoying it, always becomes something I borderline hate.
The finished product looks great!
And the chapter titles made me laugh, yes, people read them ;)
Yep. Ive always believed that the minute im paid to do my hobby, it's become my job. I have enough work in my life.
That's just dumb. There's ups and downs in any job, regardless of whether you like it or not. I don't know why you'd want to work a job your entire life you don't enjoy, I'd much rather do something I do enjoy that have some bad moments attached to it than hate going to work.
@@taserrr I've started out enjoying many jobs I've had, and soon grown to hate every single one. It doesn't matter what the job is, sooner or later, usually sooner, I'll hate it, because I'm having to do it. So I just work for the money. I start at 9 and I finish at 5, I don't work weekends.
@@RequiemWraith Damn that's really really sad. I hope you'll find something that fits you.
The problem isn't what we are doing for a job, the problem is we shouldnt have to do it 9-5, 5 days a week just to live....thats the bullshit part.
7 Years! There is no way someone would take that long is there Scott? 😂
Great video as always Jon and what a fantastic army you painted for Nick.
Ultimately I feel commission painting is something most painters should experience at some point not least because it makes you realise the struggles artists have always had and gives you a connection to artists throughout history.
It also highlights to you what others feel is important and can help you to accept, if not fully understand, others perspectives on your work which can definitely make you a better painter.
I really like this perspective. I hadn't been interested in doing any commissions, but I might be a bit open to doing a small one because it would be an interesting experience to go through
I got that very specific reference too! Time to add some Primaris to that Blood Angels army! :)
not only is this a HUGE commission, but it's one of the most detailed armies in the game, i can't believe you did it haha
I recently did a commission during a lockdown here in NZ. Have been saying no to them for a while now, wanting to work on my own projects with my limited free time. But had the extra time and needed the extra cash. Was a good experience, the importance of knowing what your time is worth is key
Got into painting models last year during lock down, and have watched so many different creators, just want to say that your style and your videos are probably my favorite out of everyone, thanks for all the tips and just fun content... don't tell scott
@Epic His cat army will cuddle him to death :D
NJM?
@@samuelbroad11 Not Just Mecha a.k.a. Marco Frisoni
As someone whos done commission painting for years i would have loved this years ago when i started doing it. Ironically my first project i did for money was an entire space wolf army for my buddy. Lmao.
Dude your really boosting this hobby. Got into it about a month ago, I had been on the fence because I'm a board gamer but wanted to trick out my games so I started watching painting videos. First time I ran across one of your videos I was sold. Jumped right in, painting every other day now and even on my first model I had the knowledge of many techniques to try. It was like I had more ammo than I needed and I could just see how the pieces developed and which techniques would best fit. Have to say you couldn't have made it any easier to get into this. Watched your whole set,, loving the podcast, that shit is hilarious Thanks!
One thing I've always wanted but was never included in army painting videos, is how long it takes to assemble them in addition to painting. I'm glad it was finally touched on here.
I 100% agree. This has been my exact experience as well when it comes to commission painting. It never feels worth it no matter how much you make.
As an occasional illustrator commissions always follow your classic experience: Initial commercial interest, reality sets in, new skills struggled and developed, satisfaction alongside separation anxiety...hey, a deadline helps. And at the very least your craft has been flexed.
I agree with everything you said. I painted 3 things by commision and were terrible for all the reasons you said but mostly, for the time-price. I calculated a time that would take me to paint it and when it took me longer and i was starting to "work for free"... all my motivation was gone.
Plus some people want golden demon level for 15€
"Plus some people want golden demon level for 15€"
I won "Best painted Model" at a tournament a few years ago, for a Skull Cannon in my Khorne Daemonkin army, and someone offered me $50 US to paint one "just like that" for him.
I'm like "Dude, that took me 40 hours!"🤣
Glad that scott didn’t succeed in demotivating you! Fantastic effort, have learned a lot about oil washed from you.
The opening skit is very relateable haha. I'm a commission painter and my queue is all one client. Sitting under my desk I've got: 3 riptides, 2 starpulse cadres, 9 SC Tau boxes, 9 hammerheads, 3 valkyries, 9 tuning fork battlesuits, and 9 hornets. "I'm fucked" sums it up nicely.
Good video! I've been doing commission work for years, at times having it as a full time job. Nowadays I only take on commissions I enjoy painting, so no hordes of boring minis. What I learned is never undersell yourself and it's ok to say no if someone is not willing to pay your price. Your time is valuable.
One of the things I thought worked really well with the warm shadows was that where it hit the metallic silver, it looked a lot like it was reflecting the environment because of how well the base colors lined up with the shadow color you used. Looks friggin' great!
Are you talking about that orange splotchy looking "glow" I hate it.
Jon, I just started the video, but I gotta say these skits just get me so damn hyped for what’s coming. Thank you for doing what you do.
This was pretty eye opening. I just started Warhammer and chose ad mech. Think I'll keep this as a hobby... Wish I had your experience in that army right now though... Thumbs up to you and your team, that had to be crazy to film.
Fantastic looking army and great video and insight on tackling commissions.
As a small (smallest) scale commission painter I have to say that having a friendly, easily reachable and prompt on feedback "customer" goes a long way in keeping the motivation high and easing the commission burden".
Matching the quality request to the paint style also helps.
Half upfront always is golden rule.
I don't often watch your videos, but knew you really had to work for this one, thought I would throw a comment in for the algorithm as well. As a former commission painter I feel the pain, when I burnt out, it was 18 months before I painted again.
I appreciate you watching!
"Yes, it requires an airbrush. But I think that it makes such a big impact that I'll definitely be using this step on all of my future armies."
Plus, if you're even considering doing commission painting, you really should get an airbrush. It's a business expense, and it'll allow you to do your job more easily and efficiently. Work smarter, not harder.
Fantastic video, Jon. It’s awesome to see you really breaking down the process and showing the highs, and the lows, of such a large project.
Outrageous what’s happening with insulin in the USA health system. Awesome work on that massive army
Was the “7 years” a dig at scott? 😂
It was, and a very classy one at that
Oh yes, yes it was. Every time Scott sees a Blood Angel model he gets a little older. lol
Who, me?
@@Ninjon that moment where UA-cam should allow pictures to put the "oh you" meme with the guy and the doggo
Geek gaming scenics did a really good video about pricing commissions, and thinking about all the materials to charge for
you literally hit on every reason i stopped doing commissions more than 2 years ago... and ive never looked back. i felt your paint through this video but saw great results and the owner has a beautiful army. great job jon.
I totally feel you on doing what you love as a career.
This man paints a highly detailed 2000pt army like a pro while I still struggling to paint my starter sets.
Its almost like at this point he IS a pro :P
If you are getting paid, you are a professional...
"Does anyone read these?"
Yes, my dude, yes they do.
Great video as always. Commissions are not for everyone, I think once you accept the first one that is different from your vision, it can get a little soul crushing
My favorite thing about doing commissions is knowing that someone cared enough about my art to pay for my time to get it. It's very humbling.
Man, I feel ya on the Insulin Pump fees. My wife is Type 1 and we switched to a pump and meter system this year and ... oof. I'll be joining the Patreon next week to slide you some freedombucks.
Thank you Peter! And I’m sure it will be a great change for your wife, just maybe not the upfront cost!
@@Ninjon Who is Peter? lol. Yes- the quality of life is much improved with the pump vs the old prick and poke method.
I actually did some commission painting a couple weeks ago for my D&D group, just some PC characters. I actually really enjoyed it and my fellow players were really happy with the results. I have no intention of painting a whole damn army mind you but a couple mini's here and there is actually pretty refreshing.
Kudos on the T1D mention! Fellow T1D here, and in my 20+ years in this hobby I have never heard about another painter/wargamer with our condition until now!
Same just getting back into miniature painting and stumbled on his stuff I think it’s cool that there are fellow t1d also into this.
On the bright side this guy's army just got 25% bigger
Hey Jon, great video and great job in taking down all those minis! I'd never paint for commission (also 10$/hr? boy that's low wage...) but the video was still greatly inspirational to slay my own gray!!!
Watching Ninjon is always ~ worth the squeeze ~ 😏
These look superb! Loved the orange fluro paint, nice touch to really make the models pop. I've dabbled with commission painting but never any projects this big, fair play for getting them done dude.
Fantastic video, Jon! That was quite an accomplishment! Thank you for sharing your business acumen, methodology, psychology and techniques.
When you first mentioned this project on Trapped Under Plastic, I got a bit worried that it would take you so long to finish that Ad Mech would get nerfed before the client had a chance to play with the army in its full overpowered glory. Well they're still tier S in 40k so you avoided that!
Also, it's funny how you mentioned going subtler with the glow effect, and then you show the full army shots where it really feels a bit overdone, haha. It all looks great, and I found the basing especially interesting, using such non-red colors as both shadow and highlight. I'm going to try something like that on my current army
first of all, sympathies for the absolute fuckery by US healthcare. second of all, you've done a PHENOMENAL job on this army, that airbrush under-highlight is something I really want to try myself now, and that custom wash looked absolutely gorgeous.
Love your videos more and more. Finally someone being blunt about the time and effort it takes to make an army. So many youtubers make painting vids about "how to paint X" without the slightest regard that it's a warhammer model they are holding and that model goes in an army of some sort. 120 models is not unusual and if assembly + paint + basing + varnishing + cleaning up time between session comes to about 3 hours per model that's 9 full workweeks, lunch not included. If you have 1 hour a day on average for hobbying, it will take a full year to get an army finished. I wish more youtube painters would consider this before they release their how to-vids. Spend 50 hours on a model if you wish, but be clear that models is for display, and not how you get an army done before retirement. Thank you Jon, keep em coming!
Models look absolutely fantastic! If you look at any one of them, it feels that you've put all the love and dedication into painting it. Totally insane when you see 120 of those at one.
final orange airbrush work ruined the models
when you added the orange you made these look awful
Mate hats of to you for getting it done and to such a good standard. Love the tips and techniques you used gonna have to give them a go. Honestly when you first mentioned this on the podcast I thought there's no way you'll get this done not this year at least so great job 👏
I get people those pumps for a living. The cost can be utterly insane
They turned out great! Its always good to be real about the pains of commission painting but also the fun parts too. Happy Halloween, Jon!
I did this for someone's Ork army last year. No regrets. It was a lot of fun and I learned a bunch of things doing it.
I relate to these outtakes at the end, so much. Thanks for being amazing, Jon!
11:18, yes I do read the chapter names! Chapters are such a good thing UA-cam added, and funny chapters names are always a treat.
Straight up inspirational work! You're the man Jon, thanks for making videos that inspire others to hobby.
Great video my friend! as a fellow UA-cam Creator, and Commission Painter, i can relate to much of what you said. Pricing can literally make or break a project. in the end both parties should feel good about the arrangement! thanks for making such high quality videos!
Hey there buddy! Just wanted to say thank you. I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and I've discovered that those army painting videos you make are the perfect thing to watch while I paint my own armies. Gets me feeling like I'm accomplishing something with someone wich makes me be very proud
Man that project looks massive! Loved seeing all the techniques.
The under shadow technique is a new one for me and I can't wait to use it. Great vid, Jon.
I have been doing the undershading recently, too. Immediately improved the look of my models. Love it.
I’ve done one commission, for a coworker. It went well and I got to paint something I usually don’t (Necrons). I didn’t kill him with my price, especially since they’re painted to a high tabletop standard, I’m certainly not a master! The only other thing I asked him to do was give my info to his gaming group for future jobs. We’ll see how it goes.
This video helpt me a lot on my first commission painting. Fast response on communication and good foto’s what the mini should look like is /are essential. Figuring out the price of you’re work and time was the hardest part. The bonus for me is that it pushed / forced me in becoming a better painter. Thx Ninjon, this was really helpful.
Just wanted to say that you are amazing, love your energy and you make great videos. Remember when you first started your channel, and somehow you just nailed it from the start. Love you and miniac dynamic and I often listen to your podcast while I am working. Sad to learn you are diabetic in America, that must be rough! Much love to you and your wife from Norway! Also you are talented artist, and people like you is what is making this community so great for me. ❤️
This is, hands down, the most relatable video I've watched of yours. I got into the hobby and then I painted a few DnD figures for some co-workers. Before I knew it, I was painting one of my co-workers entire collection of Star Wars Imperial Assault miniatures. I remember how much the paint hated the material of the minis and wouldn't stick and I'd spend a lot of time just continually trying to reapply it. I also always felt guilty if I painted some of my models during the commission. It was a good experience and the money helped me when I left my job during Covid, but I'm glad to be back to my models. Great video!
There is a section of this video that hits me personally. I became a GW store runner almost 3 years ago and it very quickly became a 'job' and my own personal hobby has suffered greatly ever since. Im looking at ways of combating this in only working on non-GW things at home and such and it's slowly becoming something I love again but I can 100% relate to the notion of getting paid for you hobby can really hurt your own personal hobby. Funnily enough your channel and Scotts channel has really helped me find my own hobby again
Another fantastic, honest video. Very entertaining and some great techniques on show.
Fantastic info here and as usual a high quality video!
I’ve been a full-time commission painter for 19 years now. It’s important to determine how much time stages in a project take and be honest with yourself about it or it’ll cost you. You’re right that cleaning and assembly can sometimes take more time that the actual painting. Basing can too. It’s important your customers understand that.
Hands down that is the best most entertaining intro to a UA-cam video I've ever seen.... the look on you face and the I'm f**ked, I might stop laughing come tomorrow..
You have my highest respects for taking on such job and taking that opportunity to educate us.
Meanwhile in Miniac land Scott curses John for not taking 7 years to finish his first commission. XD
Wow. I have been watching your videos as my binge "good-listening to" while painting for the past few weeks. Stumbled on you by accident. Was so excited to see you get your new insulin pump! I've been diabetic 27 years now and I just extremely empathized with the feelings around getting one. Slay the Gray man.
Another great vid Jon, thanks for the simple explanation of under painting had a “oh that’s what it is” moment 👍
Legendary video, with great tips for big projects, big thank you
My first commission job was hundreds of orks and gretchin ... almost gave up as soon as i started lmao .. didn't ask for material costs, didnt ask for building costs. Pretty much painted them for next to nothing. Total nightmare .. but hell .. I survived to do lots more :D --- - The skitarii do look pretty epic though :D
Wow, what a truly impressive army of minis. Amazingly painted. Thank you for sharing.
it was amazing to see this come together! you make it look easy
great vid as usual Jon, love this scheme, especially the bases, simple and effective
My dude, long time watcher short time sub. Wanna say I love the vids and all the hard effort you put in, you can see the passion and have often ignited the fire in me to keep going with the hobby. Keep it up bud love ya
I thought the title meant "do not paint a stranger's warhammer army (without permission)", like a guy just randomly taking your minifigs and painting them to their own taste
Hey Jon - first time commenter, long time viewer. First of all, love your channel and your content, you're killing it! Secondly, this video is surprisingly well timed! I just started commission painting a little over a month ago and I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far. The insight you provided in this video is highly valuable, and fortunately everything you covered here I heavily considered before taking on a (pre-assembled, thank god) army order. I've got 80 figures that will be on my plate soon, but I'm super excited about the nature of the commission. Wish me luck! Keep on painting!
When you did the undershadow I was like "yeah I get it but I don't dig it" ... man was I wrong after you oil-washed them. Good job.
Great video and a fantastic looking army at the end, and I tip my hat as that was a massive task.i myself pick up the odd commission but single minitures and small diorama sometimes I even just pick a miniture and paint it for a gift for freinds the enjoyment of see the person's face when they see your finished work makes it all worth it. Again great job.
Jon please keep making videos like this 🥺 there's so few people that do full army videos and they're so fun to watch! Plus I get deep in creative blocks and videos like this, the night lord's the bone reapers really pump me up to paint! I have over 5k points of space marines and every model is heavily kitbashed or converted, and very few models are painted 👀 I plan on doing large batch jobs and have it planned out as per your ideas and it really does help! (I also have 2k of flesh eater courts but we're ignoring that 👀)
I am floored. What an amazing job! I am intimidated by building and painting a single blood bowl team....
Sorry you didnt get to keep the army. It looks AMAZING!
I really enjoyed your process. I always enjoy when creators try to maximize effect for minimal effort. It inspires me to "slay the grey". I will come back and rewatch this one for sure.
This video was such a great journey and I like your conversational style that doesn't rely on some of the gimmicks other painting channels use. 👍
Those leathery wings with undershadow look very cool!
They're still boxed. Imagine the nightmare, if they were horridly glued together.
My first commission job was a 3000 point Biel-Tan Eldar army. I learned a TON and loved the experience but it was because each unit was different. I didn’t get slogged down in sameness. It was the first and last full army I painted for commission.
Mezgike, Zumitko, Trovarion ... I still love you the most. Your humility is humbling, and reassuring, when it's 3AM and I have to wonder about my life choices. I want to look like I know what I am doing even when I have no idea what I am doing. I'll pay you when I get paid, until then, love you dude.
I never had the patience or attention span to paint when I was into Warhammer gaming. You make it look so effortless and the results are stunning!
I have only been painting 1.5 years and go to do some commissions already. I learn so much because it forces me to paint something I wouldn’t normally pick. Also forcing me to paint faster sped up my learning curve. I do love getting to give someone the finished product and see them happy :)
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Yes, yes we do Ninjon. And you've got an amazing channel worth watching and getting inspired by!
I love your insights on painting, but honestly the 'administrative' stuff with this is pretty important and enlightening, so I appreciate that you did get into every detail of it. I'm sure there's others (def not me) who would like to paint others armies for cash. Fantastic job on the army, love the orange glow, and yeah I read them.