The Sandman is Secretly BROKEN
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2023
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Bro first lmao
you can't grow facial hair this is weird advertising
If Flying Guilty will broken for Crit. Combo Will Reborn.
stop pretending you shave
Who is called BAD WEAPON HUH ? HUH ?! Those who say the gun is bad, don't know how to use the gun and what the mechanics are, and they are afraid.
Unironically, the sandman would be a pretty decent side grade to the wrap assassin if the baseball did 45 damage by default. You'd have less health, but the projectile deals all it's damage in one hit where the wrap assassin doesn't diminish your health but the projectile only deals it's full damage overtime giving the enemy more time to run to a health pack and undo the potential full duration of the bleed.
@Dumb Blob
No, you can modify the ball damage without modifying the base melee damage.
@Dumb Blob
Oh.
@@gamerdomain6618 Yeah, doesn’t the Wrap Assassin have one of the largest damage penalties in the game?
I would say it has the largest, but the Rocket Jumper and Sticky Jumper literally do no damage, so....
@@CyborgCharlotteell here's the catch, at a certain distance, the wrap assassin have guaranteed critical hits, meaning if you're able to practice with the projectile which isn't that hard as it's the fastest projectile, you'll technically do more damage than the sandman
@@Eddie-yv1ix I meant in terms of base Melee damage, not the projectile 😅
10:11 Imagine being that Pyro and Engineer, who got killed by a sandman scout at 1 health.
You can't hear it but I was freaking out when that happened lol. I think I peaked
@@TheWhatShow
Holy crops, you did great
@@BrownWarp In my defense, I couldn't tell, he died too quickly.
@@TheWhatShow You did it, you're a scout main now.
@@TheWhatShowyou have peaked.
The relationship between your parents are secretly broken
Nah bru it is not a secret
Dab
Just like you!
How funny
Totally not overused
knowing valve, they will release a fix for it but will absolutely NOT rebalance the Sandman under any circumstances.
pls understand the desk plant has a very hard job
I know VALVe probably will never do this, but they could release small patches to specific weapons that rebalance them so that they're actually useful, but don't completely overhaul them
I think it ought to be no ball random critical hits but you also boost the damage of baseballs by 3 so they're effectively dealing the same damage as crits anyways. You don't need to use a glitch to pull off the Sandman damage output.
they already tried, iv been usin a version of this for ages where u didnt have to switch class between throws n they patched that but not the actual bug lol
Fun Fact: The Sandman is actually viable in MVM. For 500 credits it is basically a straight upgrade from the Fan o War (Because the Sandman is glitched and it also marks for death on a normal hit instead of just the ball).
Thats what i do llin mvm, fan o war when credits are scarce, sandman when we have more credits to spend
Moonshots on mvm robots still kinda works. It won't disable them but they will stop walking, including giants.
For a good reason I bought xmas lights for sandman))
However i thought the sandman marking by hitting enemies was intentional
@@Ultra289 Well it reuses the exact same effect that allows the Fan O'War to mark so the devs should have known. Probably just a case of Valve rushing something out and forgetting about it.
-10hp
Can't wait for the next balance patch:
The Sandman
- Added benefit: +200% damage on ball hit
- Added downside: No random critical hits
The Wrap Assassin
- Fixed being able to critical hit constantly with the ball
no random crits for projectile.
This would unironically be incredible if you didn't have to rely on a glitch just to make it decent
The no random crit stat is pointless because a majority of servers turn it off anyways. Why? I dunno, people are babies who can't handle even the slightest of unpredictability.
@@quadrata8382 AKA: anyone who is actually good at the game. AAKA: not you :)
We all know Valve won't get around to patching this glitch, so we may as well call this the new sandman. Tf2 community taking matters into their own hands once again.
Remember the Iron Bomber tho?
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@@The_Rising_Dragon even without the extended hitbox of the IB's pipes, it's still a decent sidegrade to stock.
It also works on wrapped assassin. And it does a good amount of damage, I would recommend this
@@misterjersey5460 calling it a sidegrade is generous. most of the time its just stock but with slightly edited stats, pretty much the only time ive ever used it for anything but that is when i play hybrid knight
Having the ball do more damage is something I've been thinking about for the past year.
maybe 35, like the base melee. so it could be like a ranged melee hit
If you're not careful you invalidate the Wrap Assassin's purpose, damage should remains its upside
@@pickly4747 I think it'd just be an amazing side-grade to the Wrap Assassin. I don't know who proposed this idea - maybe it was Great Blue - but, ideally, the Sandman could give you higher immediate damage, and the Wrap Assassin could give you higher sustained damage, thanks to the bleeding.
Edit: fixed the horrible mistake that obliterated the meaning of my comment
I always tought that it would be better if it can disable sentries but doesnt do damage
@@nosh62 It is a good idea, however there's not too many situations where Scout would need sustained damage, and The Sandman would risk losing apart of it's identity, the slow. It depends on how much immediate damage you mean
I feel like if the sandman was turned into a "deal more damage the further the enemy is from you" weapon, it would actually be good.
Casual boutta look like an mvm wave full of crit sandman scouts.
with the amount of bots currently in casual, I'm not too sure about that
@@bitcidic Dudes seriously it got really bad over the past week or so I don't get it, two weeks ago I was barely having issues with em
@@NachozMan Yeah idk it’s gotten to the point where I can’t play casual without the entire lobby just being bots and all I have are community servers
@@bitcidic I have run into 1 lobby with bots idk what your talking about. Although I have noticed a increase in random bots joining a lobby
@@bitcidic there are scout bots now tho. They're somewhat rare, but exist.
One change I would like to see done to the sandman is changing the -15 health with something like a 25% damage vulnerability while active
more risky to pull out in a fight or try and throw it into the choke, but doesn't passively reduce your survivability should you have the sense to not pull it out while actively taking fire
Even better. No random crits
Being able to die to a close range rocket sounds way too punishing for what it is
@@lambsauce5312 It would be if it was always active, but if a soldier is close enough to pose that threat, you probably shouldn't have your melee out. Sandman is one of those weapons that you pull out only when the ball is ready and you put away as soon as you hit your ball. If you take 100 damage in that short window of time, that's your own fault
The perfect weapon for ball lovers
the testicular tortion combo got me so hard
you mean the joke got you laughing hard, or got your ding-dong hard?
It got you what?
@@ThatKidNextDoorYT testicular tortion
@@ThatKidNextDoorYT It's when two sandman scout shoot balls at the same person, causing them to cross and emulate testicular torsion.
Edit: 10:53 Damn I am good at prediction
Yes I understand the joke I just think your word choice was funny
You are one of the few people appreciating Sandman and I respect that
HOW TF ARE YOU EVERYWHERE
Are u walter White?
I swear to god, this guy is the new Jusin Y
@@qwertyuioppie3699 Not even close.
@@Cheeseburger18258 Say. His. Name.
I remember the time I was randomly running through the Intel corridors in 2fort spamming the SM and picking up the ball, only to accidentally land a headshot on a cloaked spy, I've had it equipped ever since
Wait was that you?!?
@@iceshard4661 ain't no way
@@iceshard4661 how long ago did this happen to you?
@@iceshard4661 epic
it would be cool if the ball acted as a kind of "snap out of it" mechanic where you could hit teammates with milk or jarate or another debuff, and they would lose it. or maybe it could even stop charging enemy demos
could have sworn sandman balls could counter demoknights somewhat with the slowdown affecting the speed of the charge, albeit more effective if they are closer to the end of their charge or smth to save you from getting your head chopped.
but again, super situational as you'd have to predict the charge ahead of time to hit the ball fast enough and connect.
you can at least bounce pipes with the ball
Of course the sandman is broken, look at the model it’s got a crack in it
Ironically The Sandman wasn’t busted because of its own stats, but the stats of the Guillotine. All they needed to really do was remove the “Crits against stunned players” stat and we’d be fine. Getting stunned is annoying. Getting stunned then insta killed from mid to longe range by a SCOUT is infuriating
I’ve played on a few custom servers where they’ve tweaked weapon balancing to have old Sandman and current Flying Guillotine….and it actually works pretty well 😅
Maybe I'm misremembering but I recall Valve saying they removed it because they wanted to remove stun mechanics from TF2 because they're unfun to fight against. Which, remembering the old sandman, I can attest to. Being confronted by a scout, him hitting you with the ball mean you arent able to do ANYTHING but strafe for a few seconds wasn't fun to fight against.
@@shads3955 valve is right. stuns are fucking horrid mechanics in games like overwatch and valorant. i can't stand other hero shooters.
@@shads3955 I feel like most people blew it out of proportion. Nobody complained until Soundsmith made a video crying about it. Then the Soundsmith Stans came in full force harassing Valve to nerf the sandman. Valve nerfs it into an early grave and then leaves the game as is for, now, nearly 6 goddamn years. It used to be my favourite weapon, and arguably yes, it was annoying to play against to some capacity. But I can name off the top of my head 10 straight things that are more annoying to play against than the old sandman that don't have anywhere near the hate train the sandman once had before it was nerfed. The reason why? They're not actually OP. Much the same as the sandman wasn't OP on its own, just annoying.
If valve ever addresses this glitch, they should make the ball do 45 damage by default. Fix the bug while buffing the sandman at the same time
But then random crit balls would do 135 dmg so they should remove random crits.
@@emrebaskocak I thought about that but random crits are instant kills on almost anything anyways so I don’t think valve would have a problem with it
@@emrebaskocak i love how you didnt even mention the ball, just straight up "remove random crits"
Yeah, if ball was buffed, it should be unable to crit. There are lot of weapon that can't crit, and this definitely deserves that
Just make it stun fully again. TF2 was built on fun, quirky mechanics. Why should the sandman be called "overpowered" for a quirky mechanic that, without the cleaver combo, was a direct detriment to use most of the time; when you have flying demomen with shields, soldiers who can instakill most classes just by being airborne, random crits, irradiated drink invulnerability, double jumps, rocket jumps, sticky jumps, all kinds of jumps, and all other kinds of things. The sandman made Scout feel unique. It was solely HIS mechanic that no other class had. Now it's gone, and the sandman is the sadman. Great job Valve.
Petition to make this a buff in the new summer update
For the wrap assassin too. There is nothing more satisfying than hitting a wrappie on a Pigro that was puff-and-stinging you and then finishing it with a cleaver which deals JUST enough damage to finish them off. Budget cleaver combo that way.
And plus, Scouts deserve it anyway. If Pyros can kill you near-instantly with a single puff of flame followed by a flare, then you should be able to kill them with JUST enough damage to do so.
Despite the WA having a faster cooldown for its "ball", it can steal other scouts' Sandman Balls.
So you may not be able to pickup the shattered bauble, but you can sure pick up the Ball from the Sandman.
makes sense as it's probably in the same ammo category as the wrap assassin ball.
I like this. Without mentioning the weird set up time it adds more skill expression but forcing you to time a swing and a ball on top of your usual aiming, and makes one of the most disrespected melees get back in the spotlight
I think we need a buff where if you get hit with a scout ball while already slowed from the scout ball, it should instakill and be called the testicular tortion combo
blu was the person who inspired me to pick up the sandman cleaver combo all those years ago. not sure how many of you still remember him and his shenanigans
Imagine if the sandman had a stat from Valve "stuns on critical hits" and then Scouts started using this glitch to basically get back the old sandman. That would be awesome.
this should be how the sandman works, not an increased damage, but that the ball always crits. the wrap assassin has the damage over time, explosive radius and a faster charge speed, so i think it would still have a purpose even with a buffed sandman. that said, i'd still like to see how annoying this could end up as, it might become like a scorch shot for scout.
3:26 this graphic made me think about maybe adding a mechanic like the huntsman has where the ball could be lit on fire
and ouch
0:31 during a bot crisis the last thing we need is a vaccinator nerf
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Just make from 66% damage resistence of the bubble to 50%
Make it give 100% bullet resistance, but less for others
@@calebbarnhouse496 No.
Yeah, we need a bot fix, a sniper nerf and THEN a vaccinator nerf
My jaw dropped when you announced your manscaped sponsor for a video about balls. Literally the best sponsor for the occasion.
They should implement this as an actual mechanic, deals guaranteed critical damage at long distances and mini crits at medium distances.
Also, something I thought about and think would be pretty neat, what if the ball could bounce from one enemy to another nearby enemy? Like in Dead Rising 2.
For every kill you get with the ball, one "bounce" is added, so if you killed 3 people with the ball and you throw it at an enemy, it will hit 3 more players before failling to the ground provided they're within range.
4:10 Imagine going out with this girl, you made out, you're on home base and then you drop "It goes into square hole"
the sandman is the only weapon in entirety of my gaming where i couldnt use it properly but use it anyway cuz i found it funny
honestly, this could and probably should very much be what the Sandman does by default
just make the ball deal like 35 or 40 damage and replace the health penalty with maybe a 15% damage vulnerability while deployed and suddenly it becomes one of Scout's better melee options
Just before this video uploaded I was playing TF2 and I saw that one of the tips still said that the Sandman completely stuns players at long range.
Swinging before launching the ball to get a perk sounds pretty soulful imo.
WE DID IT REDDIT WE FIXED THE SANDMAN
The only place where The Sandman truly shines is in Medieval Mode, so you have a decent projectile to use to start a fight, leaving your victim vulnerable for a few finishing hits. Or to just help your teammates from a distance. This in combination with the Mad Milk can be a deadly combo. The Wrap Assassin can do that too, but the low damage guarantees that you will lose every one on one fight. Plus, the lower health from The Sandman really isn’t that much of an issue, you’re gonna die from two Demoknight swings anyway. So yeah, The Sandman is the best choice for Medieval Mode.
It’s kinda like the rapped assassin but higher close range damage and less at long range
the sandman is pretty much just a reskin to me, and Weapon Reskins in TF2 have always seemed like a strange case to me. On one hand if you like how a weapon works but hate how it looks it's nice to have another option to choose from. But on the other hand, reskins usually look like they would function differently from their counterpart. And I've always thought it would be neat if cool looking weapons like the maul had more of an identity than "Its the Homewrecker but for rich people"
Time to get a strange sandman and call it "CRIT BALLS"
The best move for this would be adding a mechanic where with proper timing you can get the crit.
It's always so funny hearing that The Wrap Assassin is just a straight upgrade to the Sandman because I remember using it back in the day when it was just considered a bad weapon. That's how gutted the modern Sandman is lmao. At least this looks like a fun way to play with the Sandman and the balls doing 45 damage is... Actually a pretty decent trade for the max health
Why the wrap assassin is secretly BROKEN…
Im sorry I freaked out when I met you on our saw mill match after I headshot you :/ I love your content so much It made me happy to meet you
Here's what I think should be the buff for the Sandman
It should deal 45 damage at any range except for Moon Shot range, in which it would do 70 damage. The slowness effect should also be buffed, slowing them down to about 60% Speed, or 180 hu/s.
The transition from the intro to the advertisement was perfect
You deserve a SAXXY just for it
I wish I could’ve witnessed this. Despite the Sandman’s horrible nerf, I still adore the weapon, and seeing a group of Sandman scouts would have really made my day!
1:21 that's over 16 million balls
Its a good day when thewhat uploads
Honestly makeing the sandman just do 30 damage or 45 normally probably male it balanced
Its that or the slow dot of the wrap witch is still probably about the same
I honestly prefer if the Sandman ball 100% crits, because if you made a sandman ball base damage 45 then random crit ball would be 135 damage. Think about the consequences of your actions.
THIS IS LIKE, MY FAVORITE METHOD OF TROLLING, PEOPLE GET SO MAD WHEN YOU SANDMAN GAMING THEM WITH THE CRIT BALL AND BEAT THEM TO DEATH WITH THE SANDMAN, THANK YOU THEWHAT, IM SO GLAD YOU'VE EXPOSED THE WORLD TO THIS DARK ART
Also a not well known fact, wrap assasin has guaranteed crits on moonshots and that actually works on servers without random crits.
And the best part is that this is never getting patched!…
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It shouldn't get patched anyways
Thanks for making my Wrap Assassin even better
it would be cool if sandman could reflect projectiles on hit like pyro's airblast, since it alredy sends one.
I'm actually convinced glitches like that are actually intentional features developers put into the game under the table
I think changing the health penalty to a specific damage vulnerability would make the sandman good while still being balanced
Honorable mention to the Flying Guillotine's old throwing animation. I miss you and I wish you could come back.
P. S. Scout only needs one ball: it means he's more aerodynamic.
P. S. S. The Sandman description should read "Stitched for your pleasure."
I swear the what has the most guttural and juvenile bathroom humor but it always catches me off guard. “Brap ass assin” was something else.
If Valve "patches" this bug by giving the ball a 100% random crit rate, then that would be perfect IMO. But really Valve should fix this for the wrap assassin that's kinda busted
as a fan of the sport of Baseball, you have really helped me find a way to play how I want too
Now I'm gonna start practice the testicular torsion combo with my friends until we can do it perfectly, consistantly
I always thought it just needed a damage buff to be useful.
I’d say ‘base damage of the ball is 30, takes 30% longer to recharge, and reduces secondary cooldown time by 20%, but at the cost of 25 max health. Moonshots are guaranteed crits’
One of my favorite loadouts as a scout is: Force-o-nature, Bonk and sandman
Sandman rework idea I've had for a while:
+ Alt-Fire: launch a baseball that deals critical damage on headshots
+ Landing a headshot with a baseball grants a "Strike!"
- 35% slower holster speed
- 20% slower swing speed
Swing batta batta! Launch a baseball at enemies that deals critical damage and grants up to 3 Strikes! on headshots. Swinging your melee will consume a Strike! and deal a garunteed Critical Hit.
if valve patches this i will buy as many strange sandmans as i can and delete them out of my inventory
😃👍
What if the Sandman had a charge type meter gained by damage, which would allow him to hit back projectiles kind of like… an air blast? I’m sure there’s ways of balancing it, maybe making it require a lot of damage which already demands scout put himself at fair risk, or requiring it to be damage done with the sandman. But given its classic baseball bat look I feel it’s kind of on theme.
I’d shave my balls if TheWhat Show told me to.
The sandman can really be great when used to help team mates. Slowing down an important target from safety to make him easier to kill is greatly under rated
5:26 I funnily enough know about the moon shot from a that's is called TC2 (it's one of the achievements)
only men who know how to appreciate balls can use that weapon
0:13 my fav weapon, prank videos
It also makes the bat do random Critical Hits 2
Your manscaped segway was SO GOOD lmaoo
"I know what we're doing today Ferb."
And the worst part is the Wrap Assassin doesn't even need the glitch because it can already crit by itself. The good news is Valve might give that stat to the Sandman as well at some point.
The end is hilarious, i love your laugh
Always wanted the ball to do damage. A man throwing a ball at you over and over shouldn't just slow you down! Also always wanted a reason to look for the ball, with this I'd know if I find it I could get value out of it right then!
Hey, the sandman is great! I use it, and it's great for charging Demoknights, classes that get the melee out to bludgeon you with said melee, and Pyro's with their precious flamethrowers. Also great for MvM! In my opinion, a underrated weapon.
9:46 he won’t be needing manscaped
No, nono, do not nerf the VaccPac
that thing was part of the war against the bots.
The fact that you can do it with the wrap assassin is actually seriously broken
Don't think I didn't immediately pause the video and question my life choices when I heard the desert scourge theme.
Thanks for reminded how busted balls can be, I'll be sure to use the sandman more
You already know that thewhat has those smooth baseballs with this manscaped sponsor
Honestly, I feel the same way about R8 revolver from very little known game CS:GO.
It was once broken just for two days, gor nerfed and then people NEVER used it again because no one understands how to use it even though it's actually good and in a lot of ways better than the other weapon in the same slit.
This is what they should do to make it into the game if you get 75 damage any way possible you get a guaranteed crit on the ball and instead of 15 less damage 15 bullet damage because scout is the most mobile class in the game so he could get out of sight easier and that is how I would fix the sand man
you misspelt testicular torsion 😭
I'm glad you included the sfm bit and the wrap assassin
Those C R I T B A L L S are so satisfying, they should officialize it as a mechanic like if you hit their head with the ball it's a guaranteed crit or something, VALVE PLS
this video is just scout's voiceline "i love my ball" lore
as a wrap ass ass in shrigmachad main this has tripled my power, thank you
Oh yeah this is the "CHAD MAN"
Thank you, TheWhatShow, for showing the sandman it's true colors
really holding out that they do balance changes in the summer update, a sandman buff where it does this amount of damage by default would be great
9:45 the production value on this is insane!
maybe they could add a mechanic where the more damage you do, the stronger the ball is, like the hype meter
I really like this idea. Having the ball's damage scale based on dealt damage could make it an excellent finisher/engagement tool.
Only able to deal ~200 damage to that overhealed soldier? Pop him with the ball. Just finish a fight, but another enemy catches you off-guard? Even the odds with a 45-damage opener.
Can't wait to see 2763 scouts running this for the next month
On hit: Randomly change the sensitivity of the player for the duration of the stun (Up to 5 seconds), players being healed get reduced stun
Applies Bonk! effect for 3 seconds on moonshot, but only if the moonshot hits the head (Also can't moonshot ubered player ofc), effect can also be reduced by healing.
That would save the sandman fun in my opinion, AND would keep the whole "give your enemy a concussion via baseball to the head" theme.
Tf2c did something similar with the sensitivity change on the tranquilizer gun but it ended up being so annoying it got nerfed.
I'd rather it aggressively shake the screen for like half a second instead of a sensitivity change. Although that probably wouldn't be fun for some people.
@@turtleman9295 I did play with the pre-nerfed gun, a hitscan gun that can shoot constantly compared to a ball that needs recharging is a pretty big difference imo
@@kking1173 That would probably cause a lot of motion sickness, but to fair so would be changing your mouse sensitivity, another idea I had was fully returning the bonk effect, but with an added small speed boost (like 5% to 10% boost on hit, maybe less or more to some classes), so when Bonked you are given a movement advantage in exchange of not being able to attack for a few seconds, so the Scout has to actually be good at aiming to get the kill, making the sandmann a higher risk weapon than it was before, of course I haven't tested any of the changes I've suggested so I can't say really say it would be fun or not lol.