Sonic Origins Review - How Embarrassing
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- Sonic Origins demonstrates the admirable skills of its developers, but once again Sega's absolute failure in leadership.
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Sonic Origins[b] is a 2022 Sonic the Hedgehog video game compilation by Sega. It features remasters of the first four platform games in the Sonic series originally released for the Sega Genesis and the Sega CD: Sonic the Hedgehog (1991), Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (1992), Sonic CD (1993), and Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (1994). The games are playable in their original format and a new widescreen format that removes lives. Origins adds additional game modes and missions, which allow players to unlock content in an in-game museum.
Origins was conceived following the release of the 2020 Sonic film; due to the influx of new fans, Sonic Team head Takashi Iizuka wanted to make the older Sonic games available on modern hardware. It was primarily developed at Sega, though Simon Thomley, who worked on Sonic Mania (2017), developed the remaster of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. A portion of the Sonic 3 soundtrack was replaced with rearrangements by Jun Senoue, following speculation of licensing problems arising from Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3.
Origins was released for the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One and Xbox Series X/S on June 23, 2022, the series' 31st anniversary. It received generally favorable reviews; critics praised the enhancements and presentation, but criticized the downloadable content, replaced music in Sonic 3, lack of features, and additional bugs not present in the original games. - Ігри
Don't blame Stealth and Headcannon. Blame Sega of Japan for making them time crunch again.
The asswipes.
I honestly wondering if Sega of America should have 100% control over the franchise.
@@rangersfanfromjersey2436 I'm wondering if SEGA should have any control over the shit
@@rangersfanfromjersey2436 Maybe, SOA have their own issues as well with the higher ups. But unfortunately, it’s SegaSammy, especially Sammy corporate who calls the shots.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, sega of japan does not care about sonic at all. The fact they still hold some control over the IP which only holds it back more is just infuriating. When is Sega of America going to take control of the IP?
@@AutZentus SEGA of Japan just needs to sell the Sonic IP and hand it over to people that are more passionate about the Blue Blur and will treat it with more care to a point where Sonic games will be as great as they were back in 1991-2003 and 2008-2011. After constantly getting received mediocre to shitty Sonic game after shitty Sonic game along with the remasters back to back over the past decade (with the exceptions of Sonic Lost World, Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed, and Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice), one begins to get so sick and goddamn tired of this *GAME* franchise and realizes that it'd be better off in the hands of dedicated fans or someone like Imsoniac Games rather than SEGA. After seeing and experiencing what both Sonic Colors Ultimate and Sonic Origins had to offer, I have no wanting of remakes of older Sonic games nor do I have any little, slight hope of Sonic Frontiers being a decent game when released due to SEGA's terrible management and the higher-ups. Always remain skeptical and cynical of newer Sonic releases and remember *NEVER PRE-ORDER EVER AND ALWAYS WAIT FOR REVIEWS AND ANALYSIS VIDEOS!!!*
SEGA: We want good reviews.
Fans: Okay. Delay the game so you can actually finish it.
SEGA: Now that's just silly.
My concern for the Sonic franchise is that it's becoming less of a game franchise and more of a brand, and that SEGA would just churn out content, rushed or otherwise just for the sake of brand recognition.
well, that's basically what is happening already
We're in the media era currently. We have the comics, movies, roblox, TV show and more toys.
I thought that happened ages ago, it's why I haven't played much Sonic since '06, and I LIKED '06, ON THE PS3. On SCART. It was laggy AF and at least I could beat it compared to Sonic Unleashed which relies on my having depth perception on side scrolling sections where there's poles closer to the screen instead of just straight right, that I miss every attempt.
Anyway, yeah, until the films came out, I was basically not a Sonic Consumer. Game-wise, I'm cautiously waiting until Frontiers.
Yeah.
It is shocking that everything BUT the main games in this series is incredible right now
The comics are getting a load of love
The movies are wildly successful
The spinoffs like sonic speed Sim are beloved.
But the games keep having issues
If Frontiers flops, expect Sonic to no longer be a gaming franchise.
@@rangersfanfromjersey2436 or sega selling their mascot
The less creative control Sega has over Sonic the better it seems. It's still hilarious to me that Paramount understands TEAM Sonic/Heroes better than most recent games.
When was the last Tails and Knux actually worked together in a mainline game? Or at the very least talked to each other without Sonic around?
Also Sonic Prime is looking promising as well.
@@dreamsdeep1076 That is a real possibility as well. I can see them putting Sonic up for sale if this game doesn't do well. Watch Nintendo give Sega a call if that happens.
@@lynxfresh5214 tbh even worse. When has tails and knuckles ever had a genuine conversation with each other? Heroes and Riders are the only games i can think off the type of my head of those two interacting without sonic around
The most entertaining thing about origin's release was witnessing the modding community implement the original S3 & K music literally hours after it dropped.
And the remastered prototypes. Carnival Night sounds a LOT better than both the MJ and Origins songs.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I'd The Original Prototype Is Just As Good As The Original
Modders don't care about licensing. Sega has to.
@@peterlane1391theres still no reason that they didn't put in the OG prototypes
In the past, SEGA championed over Nintendo because of their willingness to provide solutions and alternatives. Where Nintendo were always traditional and conservative, SEGA went the extra mile to be flexible and adventurous.
Wow we could really use that old Sega to come back now, but I doubt that’s going to happen.
@@marcusmayo That Sega's never coming back. Sega died when they were bought out by Sammy.
@@rangersfanfromjersey2436 It’s a shame, that this is where we are now. Instead of good polished games, we continue to keep getting broken games.
Unfortunately, Nintendo is also at the point were there becoming very stubborn & greedy. Besides the likes of Odyssey, 3D World + Bowser's Fury & Mario Maker 2, Nintendo seems to lack alot of content, rushed and made the games soulless throughout every Mario titles. Whether it's sports, parties or other games that they screw up like Wii Switch Sports. They may not be as awful nor glitchy as many Sonic game were. But they feel so dull & boring.
@@jaretco6423 It's not like a lot of your examples to your point could be seen a stock gaps to something like Kirby and the forgotten land or BOTW2.
But that would clearly have to be bootlicking to think that.
It's so odd how Chaotix, 3D Blast and Spinball have dedicated sections in the artwork section, the OST section they made DLC at the last hour and their own islands.... but Chaotix's isn't present. Almost like they ran out of time and couldn't model a 6th island to use as an Options ground so they plopped them onto the museum hmmmmmm
It’s almost like they didn’t want to create a new remaster of chaotix, and were rushing this game
it was most likely never even planned. is sega, they don't care at all.
I think it's because the style is completely different Even in knuckle's Chaotix And spinball And they obviously Put some Is work in to porting them
Idk why they won’t rerelease chaotix
It's a spin-off
I have a hunch that Origins was rushed to meet that 31st birthday deadline. It's clear that this cake needed some more time in the oven.
SEGA failing to learn from the past.
Of course it was, and delaying the game beyond that significant date would've been a worse idea in the long run as long as they properly patch the game.
With the music, the “Hidden Palace” theme was not meant for the stage. It was just supposed to be cutscene music for Sonic getting Super Sonic in Hidden Palace. The Mystic Cave 2P music was the intended stage music, as seen in every Sonic 2 prototype online.
With Sonic 3, there is no source indicating the “Unused Theme” was intended for Super Sonic. It goes unused in the 1997 PC Release as well. The only reason people think of it as a Super theme is because Sonic 3 Complete used it as such.
Also, one more thing, the current theory with the worse sounding Prototype music is that it comes from an older prototype, hence it sounding so much worse than the Prototype we have.
You're incorrect about Hidden Palace.
I really don't want a sonic adventure 3 if this is the state Sega wants to release their games
What's worst SA3 is the failsafe/low hanging fruit that Sega uses to keep certain fans from leaving while giving them scraps of nostalgia bait to keep them honest (E.g Chaos in Forces).
I honestly don't want SA3 or SA/SA2 remakes too but the alternative is many Sonic fans getting trapped by their sunken costs, hoping the franchise will produce consistently great games again which is a pretty toxic relationship tbh.
I mentally associate SA3 with the end of Sonic. Even if they make more stuff after it, it doesn't matter, it's a complete series in my book.
The literal only reason I want SA3 is to have a reasonable point to yeet my attachment out the window.
As a musician, I'm a bit confused by the sub par "remastered" Sonic 3 tracks. There's plenty of good Genesis sound chip emulators. I'm pretty sure Jun could have had access to the original software as well. Either way, my theory is that he just slapped the MIDI information into a "meh" Genesis sound font and called it a day. I don't hear "hard work" put into them at all. Especially since we all know what Jun is capable of.
As for the sound quality.... You got me on that one, that's just Sega shooting themselves in the foot... Again.
SEGA has shoot themselves so many times in the foot, that now they have no issue doing it because there's just a hole that the bullet can go through.
Well, I hope this will answer.
While he used to be a good musician and can still make good music, when it comes to the genesis sound chips and to top it of recomposing them by himself, it just falls short. This is the same musician who help make really good music for whole Sonic 3D Blast and had someone else recompose them. What a way for SEGA to ruin his solid music record.
i believe that the beta music in origins might be taken from an earlier prototype than the one discovered in 2019. i mean it sounds like it was recorded from a genesis and the one newly created track for origins sounds nothing like the prototype tracks in terms of quality or instrumentation (lets be real if jun did rearrange the prototype tracks they'd probably have sonic 4 instruments too). i don't know how likely this is but it seems plausible
You gotta wonder WHY you wouldn’t just get Tlopes who made original tunes for Mania and who is amazing…just ignore him. It really feels like ST despised Mania and the team with it. Look at headcannons recent discussions on it and it feels like they weirdly made this thing to compete with Mania which was a love letter and is the pinnacle Classic Sonic
@@theogofguitar yeah reading the twitter discussion from headcannon made it seem like one or maybe a few at sega are salty at them for being the "darlings" of sonic development in the last few years. It sucks that they probably burned the bridge with sega in doing that, but I don't blame them. I hope they decide to do something that isn't tethered to sonic or sega going forward.
Sega sabotages their own franchise. They really do what Nintendoesn’t.
Nah Nintendo be releasing games un finished
@@ScionThrone5562 Sega released Origins and Colors Ultimate too early with bugs and lack of polish, whilst Nintendo aside from Switch Online, i don't see anything being rushed by them?
@@ScionThrone5562 They don’t fuck up their franchises as much as Sega does with sonic tho.
@@ScionThrone5562 Nintendo also doesn’t do false promises you get what they advertise
Lmfao
Sega made the same mistake Rockstar did with the GTA trilogy remaster. Remove the original games from PC, made this collection a definitive version, and still released it when it wasn't ready 🙄. It's as if they don't care too much about their own mascot and just want to capitalize off the name, since Sonic is popular again... actually I'm not as surprised as I thought I would be
Having to buy the zoom in feature reminds me of the time they tried to make super sonic a paid DLC in Forces
Except there they backed down
Imagine you had to pay up in Mega Collection just to zoom in comic books.
@@cliffturbo2146 imagine if you had to pay for 3D blast, imagine if we had to pay for the concept art, imagine if we had to pay for the comics.
Imagine if these collections were made by modern sega
@@NotRay1995 Some folks are already willing to accept paid DLC "episodes" for potentially other playable characters in Frontiers (hypothetically speaking) which already is going to be a pricy AAA game.
None of this honestly surprises me anymore yet the excuses remain the same lol!
@@lynxfresh5214 same
@@lynxfresh5214 A game that may cost $70 at launch
I am grateful that my experience with Origins has been mostly positive and aside from some minor graphical hiccups (mostly in Sonic 3), I haven’t come across the numerous bugs and glitches that most have. With that said, the fact that people have been having these difficulties in gameplay at all highlights the poor management that allowed the game to be released without the polish it needed. I can only hope that patches will be allowed to iron out the issues like with Sonic Mania and Sonic Colors Ultimate, but this shouldn’t be happening to begin with.
Wait an minute. Colors Ultimate gotten ironed out? When?
@@jaretco6423 You can now choose to play the game with either the remixed soundtrack or the original soundtrack, glitches seem to be taken care of, and the game no longer crashes at certain points (at least when it comes to my experience with the game). As far as I'm aware, the only graphical hiccup that's still present is the beginning of Starlight Carnival Act 3.
@@theassortedhobbyist In which console?
@@jaretco6423 I have a PS4 copy, but I’m pretty sure it applies to all versions of the game
Right? the fact that in sonic 1, and 2 mobiles versions I've NEVER encountered ANY glitches whatsoever (unless if i wanted to actually find them by free will)
shows that sega will do whatever they can to release a game on time with the specific date
(UNLESS they wanna change in which i'm really hoping they do...)
“You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.”
I don’t think SEGA is the villain here, I think they’re just incompetent and stupid at this point. Can’t help but feel sorry for how dumb they’ve become.
Such a truthful quote.
This quote describes sega of how they have treated this series for 30 years
Sega became the villain very fucking quickly they really didnt age well when you look at all the other series thar have been around for as long as sonic and still remain consistent
it's crazy how sonic team can't even port their 30 year old games competently
Do they even have to. I keep seeing people say that sega is incompetent and it would make them bankrupt. But if anything it makes sense. Sega has realized that your average consumer wouldn’t care about quality in their video games, and people who don’t play video games know sonic. That and with the success of the movies making sonic mainstream, they don’t even have to try because little Timmy bought the game because he recognizes the character.
It’s rather genius in a way.
@@NotRay1995 If by genius, you mean stupid. That is a terrible idea, even if people bought the games, they at least deserve high level quality especially if the game is expensive. Spending over 40 bucks for a broken collection isn’t cool and it shows that Sega really doesn’t give a fuck.
@@NotRay1995 yeah it’s genius but it sucks for actual Sonic fans :(
@@sweetpataterz8738 yeah, it does sting.
@@NotRay1995 the problem is SEGA keeps advertising for *fans* when it's clear by now that isn't the audience they're going for
That screech after the drop dash noise has always been there by the way. Since Mania. I have the raw sound files here as I needed to put the drop dash in my fan game. It's just the audio mixing makes it sound worse
Actually, the way the sounds are played cancels the usage of the soundeffect before the screech can play. It was most likely left intentionally unused data because the maniateam noticed that it sucks. Sega, however, failed to replicate this detail correctly.
@@lpfan4491 no, just boot mania, turn up the volume and use the drop dash. The sound always plays
13:37 actually that issue of wall blocking DOES exist in the mobile ports I’ve encountered them numerous times in Emerald hill and chemical plant zone
Thanks for mentioning, good to know!
same
Although, I have never experienced this, thanks for the information
I'm so upset with SEGA man, they just keep letting us down...
Me a year ago: Man I wish they made a remaster of Sonic Unleashed!
Me after seeing Sonic Colors Ultimate and Sonic Origins: Man I hope they never touch Sonic Unleashed!
I'm really not surprised anymore. Sega or Sonic Teams incompetence is truly outstanding. I was so close to buying this but the MJ music being gone and the utter trash music that's in Sonic 3 in this new collection is one of many reasons why i didn't buy it. This is extremely pathetic Sonic Team.
Regarding Hidden Palace zone, Mystic cave 2P WAS the original theme for Hidden Palace. At some point during development, they decided to change the theme, before scrapping the zone altogehter.
Pretty sure the only reason why they scrap the Hidden Palace Zone from Sonic 2 was because there's no more room to include it on the Sega Genesis cartridge. Remember that the reason why Sonic 3 complete was divided into two games was because of the Genesis cartridge low storage. The whole game was almost 8mb in size and the Sega Genesis cartridge only had 4mb. Reason for Sonic 3's large game size was due to the use of 3D intro, transition cutscenes, new sprite animations, new music, new blue sphere mini-games, new save slots, 2 new bonus stages, bigger stages for each zones, new multiplayer mode with their own levels, and new branching paths for each characters.
@@VOAN I'm pretty sure the Sonic 3 complete hack(Which is based on a concept Sega actually wanted to release at one point) actually runs on real hardware. The real reason are deadlines, Sega literally has no excuse when it comes to how the rom is stored because it's literally their console. They could have made nonstandard cardriges if they wanted to. And infact, they did. I don't think any other release uses the lock on-type cardridge, it's Sonic&Knux-exclusive.
Exactly, but Channel Pup's blunder is too much for me.
We all know which one not only would have been used, but which one suits Hidden Palace WAY more. Hidden Palace WAS always supposed to be Track 10 & SEGA missed a massive trick not using it. Something almost ALL fans wanted it to be & easily could have been.
@@Chicken_Nugget1 mystic cave 2p fits it way more in my opinion
What's the point of having Denuvo in the PC version when it only hinders legit customers and lets those who pirated the game play unhindered? Also where are the filter options you got in Mania? And imagine if Sonic Jam - or Mega Collection - had half the problems Origins has, my favourite being turning the water into milk in Sonic 3 meaning that you cannot see a goddamn thing when underwater
"Don't worry, we can patch it lat-oh, right"
Remember when Aaron Webber said they'd be prioritizing quality over quantity going forward, after the buggy mess that was Colours Ultimate and now this makes me wonder if those were just empty words...
20:40 it really is probably one of the worst offenders of false advertising, as it promotes NEW playable characters. When I tried to call the mention of new playable characters as false advertising on the CD Speed Stats facebook post, my comment was deleted deleted as it somehow went against their Community Standards which is meant to prevent things such as *false advertising*, fraud and security breaches. You honestly couldn't make it up.
Exactly. And the only thing that Denuvo does for PC players, is eat up all the resources in their computer and make the game's FPS drop by like 50. If you go to Sonic Origin's steam page, you can see all of the reviews and there is A LOT complaining about the FPS drops made by Denuvo
Aaron Webber has zero real influence over Sega (I mean they straight up ignored his criticisms of the Forces script lol), he should've just stuck to posting (mostly) unfunny memes on Sonic Twitter tbh, no offence.
@@lynxfresh5214 I wouldn't say ALL his criticisms were ignored.
Its mostly thanks to him we have the "Sonic, help me!" line in Forces through his "Lol this line is awful please remove it" comment with Tails quietly accepting his fate, believing he'd be with Sonic again in the hereafter. While the line isn't great - or even the whole scene itself isn't great, because really Tails should be fighting back against Chaos - its still better than setting him up to be a chump, crying out to help for a ghost, given he knows that Sonic is "dead," which is only there set up the arrival of the Deus Ex Marketing Gimmick that is Classic Sonic. A bad tribute act Tails is burdened with as he's is forced to play sidekick to, along with trying and put him over at his own expense, due to Classic's own Tails being nowhere to be found. So yea, thanks for that one, Aaron.
Also I fail to see why he was even involved in the writing process in the first place, being only the social media guy who post crappy memes on the English twitter while the Japanese one serves up gold from Yuji Uekawa and Yui Karasuno which gets largely overlooked by the Western social media for some reason.
This isn't the first time SEGA has committed false advertising.
*FROM THE MAKERS OF SONIC COLORS AND SONIC GENERATIONS*
@@AkameGaKillfan777 And Also Sonic Origins With It Being The Best Version Of Playing The Fourth Game That Define A Generation
I never even bothered looking at Origins since i invested in Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic 3 A.I.R and Sonic CD Restored.
At this point sega can be arrested for animal abuse for everything they have done to sonic.
It’s been confirmed the drop dash code implementation screwed up the tails respawn… crazy how this UA-cam made a wild theory and got it right.
This collection is invaluable on Switch. But yeah, this is a ruddy good video
Desperation can make sh*t taste like chocolate.
@@HOTD108_ Haters gonna nitpick. So what?!
@@muhammedraashid3667 What's even your point? That we shouldn't be critical of the media we consume? How are things going to get better if we don't speak up when we get lazy products?
Sonic Origins is a glitcher, less complete, collection of games that came out 30 years ago. There's no excuse for the state Origins is in. I bet you're one of those people that think Sonic 06 released in acceptable state.
@@HOTD108_ dude, all I wanted was a way to play CD and 3&K again, and on my Switch, since every other mainline classic Sonic game was on there except those and I’m always on the go. The other stuff they added was a neat and fun bonus. The bugs and glitches suck, yes and I hope they get patched out. But I had more fun than not. Plus I can’t say no to widescreen and a drop dash. Those are both huge game changers for the better
@@HOTD108_ Not really. There is a difference between a glitchy game and a game like Sonic Origins
First one would be criticized for its rushed state.
While the other one would be nitpicked to find faults in it. Especially if it is a Sonic game. Cause it's cool to hate Sonic.
for people who want to enjoy sonic 3 and knuckles in its definitive form
Go play sonic 3 air
•it has widescreen which doesn't break the game
•easy mod support
•custom music (no shitty sonic 4 music)
•sharp and crisp
•better level layouts
•custom controls
•achievements
•option for life system and time over
•drop dash
•peel out
•unlockable secrets
•randomly generated blue spheres in which the 3d looks so good unlike the jagged mess of origins
•no collision bugs
•doesn't cost $40
Love that version.
I thought that AIR was made inaccesible because it relies on the now-delisted Steam version of Sonic 3. Or can it just work with a downloaded ROM from the internet?
@@stuff31 i just downloaded the bin file of a 30 year old game for free and now play the best version of sonic 3 on my phone.
@@stuff31 It seems that there’s other ways to be able to legally play AIR, but they’re a bit more tricky than using the Steam ROM.
jagged mess? Ok i get the general mess of origins but i played blue spheres mode for a good bit if not alot including 3 playthrus of sonic 3 and i dont get where its a jagged mess at all? it looks damn well near perfect besides the music not being pitched at the proper speeds.
I feel like Sonic Before The Sequel and after the Squeal did a better job at connecting the games and explaining the 7th emerald than Origins' cutscenes did
Imagine if SEGA made a contractual deal for LakeFeperd. That would've been a game changer considering that he made both fan games by himself and finished both of them before moving on to new projects.
Sonic Mania isn't a game that was done by Taxman or Stealth, just all 4 of the independent developers. Yes, I count them 4.
Just get the Decompilation for Sonic CD, Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic 3 A.I.R. if you have a PC. Highly customizable remasters that respect these classics done by fans. I feel sorry for console players having to deal with such shitty products like Sonic Origins.
But oops you forgot one little detail they delisted sonic 3 so you can’t get air but maybe it works with a rom
@@theremberton you only need s3k rom in order for air to work.
Ironically the PC version is the glitchiest
@@OmegaCoolsterDX Which is illegal if you don't already own the game(s) (and legally questionable even if you do unless you dump the ROMs yourself).
@@Compucles wouldn't recommend piracy in the first place. Besides people already found out how to convert origins files for decompilations.
They used the Mystic Cave 2P music in Hidden Palace instead of the original track because Christistisn Whitehead decided it fit better with the level theme.
Mystic Cave 2p is the definitive track The Track 10 might have been intended for a cutscene
@@reckless_nin Track 10 is played in Hiiden Palace Zone when you access the game genie to go in the level in the OG Sonic 2.
Great review. You said what needed to be said. It’s a pathetic cash grab that could have been more. With that being said, I’m happy that modders have fixed some of the biggest issues it had. I really could not play Sonic 3 with that horrible remix.
I personally thought it was good, the animations in Sonic 3K are brilliant.
They fixed Super Sonic's sprite in Sonic 3K with looking up and during other animations.
I also like how they made it so Sonic can only transform by jumping in the air and pressing a different button while off the ground, this touch made it easier so you could use the aerial moves without going Super, it also made Sonic 2 easier to platform without going blistering speeds as Super.
Disappointing things about this collection that I’ve encountered:
• De-listing original ROMs and no physical edition (but I won’t hold that against it)
• Tails won’t reset in S1 or 2
• Possibility of losing emeralds in S3K if you touch a giant ring (I only experienced this once, but the effect is so extreme that it has to be at the top of the list of things that need fixed)
• Removal of Proto Palace Zone
• Removal of sound clips in CD
• As far as I can tell, you can’t jump off of the pillars in Marble Garden Zone which makes some shortcuts impossible
• Some clipping issues in Spring Yard Zone (notable that I only experienced this once)
• Music in Museum is mislabeled or described
• Lack of the same graphical options as Mania
Things that people complain about/take for granted that are either actually great positives or show expectations are way too high:
• Coins replacing lives
• Mission Mode
• Lack of other games like Knuckles’ Chaotix
• Lack of brand new playable characters like Amy
• Sonic 3 Music
• Animated Cutscenes
• Drop dash
• Classic Mode
• New animated cutscenes
• Museum (side note: as someone who lives in fly over country where internet is crappy on a good day, I’m ecstatic that the animated shorts are here to watch without needing to stream them)
Assuming patches come to fix some of the issues above - at least Tails and the Emeralds - then I’ll say it’s easily worth the $45 just to finally have the Retro Engine remasters here. As is, it’s hard to say definitively that that’s the case. It’s a much better collection than people are giving it credit for, but it sure has a lot of problems to iron out, too. I give it a 7/10 as is, could go up if we see more work on it
SEGA is already the worst gaming company in the industry so ofc they'll fuck up one of the greatest games they've ever made, they never learned from Sonic 06 and even if they did they took the wrong lessons. I didn't bought Colours Ultimate because I knew they'll fuck it up since they sourced it to Blind Squirrel and now they screw up their best games from the 90s by once again rushing the living hell out it to make the deadline on Sonic's Birthday.
This gives me 0 hope for Sonic Frontiers since no matter what they say, it's gonna be dogshit since SEGA never learned anything. Sonic as a gaming franchise deserves way better.
Uh, EA is still the worst. Activision and Ubisoft are close seconds
I just wish sega would live and learn for once.
And Open their Hearts to the community, then deciding to Never Turn Back. There would be Endless Possibilities if they actually cared.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 this game could of reached for the stars if they actually tried
@@josiahcowans6649 And Have The Light Of Hope Finally Deciding To Stop Rushing Big Sonic Title
@@josiahcowans6649 Dear My Friend, "of" is not a verb. It's could HAVE or could've.
Hey Pup, could you please stop with the earrape in your videos? I have very sensitive ears ever since my ear drums got damaged when I was little, and being a fan of your channel is really hard sometimes when you put on that Joker voice and peak all the audio levels.
Edit: Examples of this are at 0:30 and 2:48, in case you weren't sure what I was referring to. Please Pup, I'm a fan of you and your content, but the physical pain this earrape brings it just too much.
I'll take your word for it and apologise. I do mix the audio so that it doesn't reach over a certain amount of decibels, not much more than the normal dialogue, and I do edit these with headphones on to make sure, however, if it's causing you pain or discomfort, I'll absolutely knock that on the head. I appreciate the feedback. :)
@@ChannelPup Thanks Pup, I really appreciate it. Great video otherwise btw!
I thought of buying this game thought it would be worth it
Never buy a game before the reviews have come out.
I'm never gonna buy this collection because I already have the originals on pc already and also, these are inferior to the original versions of these games. Yes, they can patch it, but unfortunately, the damage is done and even if they patch it, I still won't call it the definitive edition. I would just tell people to try and get mega collection for gamecube or mega collection plus for ps2 and the original Xbox(if they can find a physical copy of course or they could emulate via dolphin or pcsx2)
It’s not a total waste. It’s a good collection, but if you know these games well or already play these games regularly then you’ll notice the small issues
@@jarrodeaston6373 Eh...it's not all inferior though with the changes made and this being the Christian whitehead version...which is the best version. Getting that would be tough...it's easier to get Origins. Really I'm mainly waiting for a Physical release of Origins and when that happens...hopefully the issues will be patched.
Sega made me feel sad to be a Sega fan after all these mistakes on the classic sonic game pup. 😔
I honestly don’t want to be a fan with how sega treats us anymore. Sure, they may support fan games, but with the inconsistency in these games, I’m just ready to say, “oh, sonic the hedgehog? I love these movies!”
@@NotRay1995 same this game has real potential. It’s really sad.
Segas success rides on sonic frontiers.
If that game is a flop and all the complaints are true (empty map, annoying enemies, and bad momentum/speed.) then many sonic fans are gonna just disappear. At this point if you know the sonic fandom it’s best well known for hating the company that makes their games.
Many fans like the sonic games but are on the verge of disappearing
@@gamercentral2417 yeah, at this point I’ve given up. I’ve moved on to becoming a crash bandicoot fan. I’ve been playing the nsane trilogy on the ps4,(specifically crash 1), and I’ve been enjoying it. It’s far more enjoyable than sonic origins in every way, and I may be wrong, but it costs less. And even if it costs more, it at least earns it.
@@NotRay1995 Ditto. I also played Sypro the Dragon Trilogy on the Reignited Version and I enjoyed that. It may me an Sypro fan, along with Crash.
@@jaretco6423 I might be interested if I find a copy. But yeah, so far I’m trying to get 106% completion
Sega when tomorrow is a sonic related day: "oh crap better rush sonic frontiers"
Sega: We’re a new company that cares about the quality of Sonic.
Also Sega: [ships Sonic Origins]
That hidden palace mention.. MAN I spent many a day as a 5 year old wondering what that is. I never played the added edition of s2 hidden palace and I almost feel like it’s just better to imagine what it could have been, hearing this just…enforces that
They missed such an amazing basic using that music for the level. Watch any Hidden Palace clip on UA-cam with that music, honestly the 2 just marry beautifully. We all missed out back in the 90's. Now we have again.
Why they didn't make it so you turned Super Sonic for the first time ever there with a cutscene (which was actually supposed to happen even before the original release!!!), I'll never understand either.
@@Chicken_Nugget1 Mystic Cave 2P was always Hidden Palace's theme, proven by the Simon Wai beta and 2013/Origins using it. Track 10 was meant for a cutscene. It doesn't work as level music at all.
@@andrewtuell1991 It worked perfectly as the zone music for Hidden Palace. And screw the 2013 version some of us have been around alot longer & know better.
Why don't you watch footage of how the stage originally looked when people gained access to it on the original copies back in the 90's? And listen to what plays there?
@@Chicken_Nugget1 No it doesn't because it wasn't meant to be zone music. The Simon Wai beta uses MCZ2P as well. The dummied out level in final build is irrelevant because players are not supposed to access it. It could also mean that the cutscene would've taken place at Hidden Palace.
There is far more evidence for MCZ2P being Hidden Palace's theme than there is for Track 10, which wasn't supposed to be level music at all!
@@andrewtuell1991 Yes it does. It goes perfectly with the mysterious & emotional nature of the Zone, given the fact it was supposed to be a unique zone for turning Super Sonic the first ever time. Which is why it is unique in itself from the usual OST's used also. And it's plain to see how well it works & why almost every clip uploaded of footage playing that Zone people have Track 10 as it's OST.
It would still have been used for the cutscene that was originally intended for Sonic transforming into Super Sonic his first time ever, also.
It is what was supposed to be in the final release, before they quickly tried to delete everything when they realised they wasn't going to put it in anymore. But didn't quiet delete it all.
Zone music for a 2P Track would never have been used for a main game zone theme doubled up. It never was back then, the mindset behind the composers of the original Team Sonic would never have gone forward with that.
Enough child, this discussion goes far before your time.
Sega should be ashamed at themselves for losing talent, ruining devs reputation and mucking up Sonic’s image for nearly 30 years.
That’s just the thing though. I don’t think they care because it’s all about profit now and they make it abundantly clear.
At this point, Sonic should just be put down. It's for the best.
@@hypnospaceoutlaw3376 Yeah it is. I love the series but Sonic isn’t the same series as it once was.
We’re gonna have to bully sega with constructive criticism like paramount, it is the only way. But I’m sure the toxic positivity people will be up to the same old thing on their end
@Joshua Suh not sure, but what do we really have to lose lol
@Joshua Suh yeah, but we can still give them a piece of our mind. I feel like if we were really all united just letting them have it, it would be nice. Yeah you’re probably right it won’t amount to anything, but for the spectacle of it cause I’m sure the rest of the internet would take notice I think it could be interesting at the least. I won’t lie some of this is out of spite lol I do wanna just see everyone just dunk on sega publicly cause that’s what they deserve for putting us through this cycle over and over again
@Joshua Suh well ok I can live with that lol
reject origins, return to mega collection
The only two bugs I’ve encountered were the fucked up stickiness/collision with the gears on Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2, the color and sprites on Mushroom Hill Act 2 boss, and phase 3 of the Death Egg Act 2 boss.
Otherwise, the games are fine for me, as a longtime Sonic fan, who grew up with the classics.
Yeah, I watched Mr. Pasquale stream Sonic 2 and he had the same problem with the Metropolis Zone gears.
The carnival night music is SO BAD. I have to mute it and play the original track.
They should patch this game, fix all the issues and restore removed content from the previous ports. Then after that maybe something like mania plus, add Amy and metal as new playable characters and put Knuckles in CD, new modes, encore feature etc and give the devs the time they need to polish it off.
It would be a good first step to at least restoring some good will over this one.
I don't understand why Knuckles is absent in CD when fans have modded him, and Amy, into the Steam version... When it was still available to buy. Goddammit, Sega!
(MODDED not nodded! Lousy auto correct 😅)
People would still have issues with it. Scu got patched and is still known as a buggy emulation of a wii game with really minor differences.
Not only will Sega patch it for the worst, they pissed off Headcannon so bad now that I don't think Headcannon would want to return to fix the game. Only they could patch all the bad bugs and glitches but thanks to Sega they probably won't do it.
@@VOAN I hope he doesn’t come
Headcannon have asked to patch the game though? At least Stealth did.
I never thought I'd experience buyer's remorse for this game, but after discovering Sonic 1 forever, and Sonic 2 absolute, I can't bring myself to even finish origins.
Sonic1Forever, Sonic2Absolute, Sonic 3 And Knuckles: Angel Island Revisited.
Amazing modifications and ports of the game, made without sega's obvious mess
Yeah they are way better and the best part is that they dont have price tags.
Anything for cd?
@@Eminster Sonic CD restored
@@Eminster Nah The perfect CD is already available on steam...if it's not yet delisted
Once all those get merged into one back to back experience I'll switch off of origins. I want to be able to play all 3 of te classics and CD back to back with one save file for all 4 games like sonic delta 40kb edition tried to (but failed due to sonic 2 being a beta version and other awful changes)
11:01 Because that was the original hidden palace theme that played in the simon wai prototype and the august 21 prototype, also this song is used in the proto palace zone (a secret zone in the 2013 sonic 2 remaster)
Yeah the hidden palace theme that was never used is speculated to be more of a cutscene track
Well said, Sonic Origins is an embarrassment to the Sonic Franchise. Between the absence of the Michael Jackson music, the fact that you can't get Game Overs in Widescreen Mode, Denuvo, and all the other problems with this collection, it's just a mess. SEGA does not deserve to be in charge of the Sonic Franchise anymore!
Sonic 1 Forever
Sonic 2 Absolute
Sonic 3 A.I.R. (With all the MJ music along with a couple of tracks from the past Sonic games)
Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles
Are still the definitive ways to play these titles.
And why pay 40 bucks for this collection, when you can get the Sonic Mega Collection + and Sonic Gems Collection and not only get better versions of the games in Sonic Origins, but also get even more games? Granted you would have to get older video game consoles, but right now Sonic Origins certainly is not worth 40 dollars.
Might get this on Nintendo Switch, but only on a DEEP discount. But seriously, SEGA should just give up and sell the Sonic Franchise to someone who is willing to take better care of it.
The Michael Jackson music is out of their control. Sega can't be blamed for that since the the MJ estate is tough to deal with on the deal to get these tracks back. Also, the prototype tracks are really great as well.
@@retrofan4963 Well, AIR has better versions of the prototype tracks. Origins has an L here regardless.
@@lpfan4491 True, I agree.
It's definitely not as bad as the Colors Ultimate situation, but the fact that this happened again shows that they didn't learn from it. And why? So we could have the game come out on our fictional character's birthday? Is that really worth it?
The reason why sound test 10 isn't used is because the mystic cave 2P music was made FOR hidden palace. the sound test 10 was for the cutscene you'd unlock super sonic with after completing hidden palace zone
It still sounds like a silly choice. That theme was already repurposed and the cutscene was erased due to plotchanges. So it would stand to reason that one would take the now unused theme and put it into the zone that now has no theme anymore.
@@lpfan4491 But the unused theme wasn't meant for a level though. Mystic Cave 2P was always going to be Hidden Palace's theme.
@@lpfan4491 As we've seen through 100% unarguable proof, Track 10 was the intended use for Hidden Palace. Beautiful mysterious tones for a beautiful mysterious Zone. You're absolutely right.
Plus, they still could've used that same OST for the cutscene as well. Would've made perfect sense back then.
I'ma just play some sonic 3 air to filter out the bullshit soundtrack of the Michael Jackson involvement
18:48 The funny thing is, you don't get bounced up high enough to hit those spikes in the original version. That was new to the mobile version and carried over to Origins.
7:42 instead of just ripping the prototype music and placing that into the game, it seems they used the MIDI from the Sonic and Knuckles PC Collection, slapped a few Genesis instruments onto that, and called it a day without doing the needed edits to make it sound similarly or better than the Prototype versions.
Actually, there's a Rumor going around that the Origins Remixes are actually from an older build of Sonic 3&K.
If someone who's been playing these games since the 90's, I wasn't to thrilled with this collection from the get go. Everyone else in the Sonic Community seemed happy about it except for me, i felt the ports would of been weaker this time around and I wasn't to far off... yeah I still brought it like the loser that I am 😐. You think I would be used to Sega's Disappointment by now
I feel the same sentiment. I should have bought it when it goes on the eventual discount. :/
32:52-33:00 very much agreed
Yep. This company doesn't deserve this franchise. I hope someone buys sonic from them
Origins tells you everything you need to know about Frontiers.
Be ashamed, Sega. And don’t think I’m gonna let you off the hook cause you’re fictional, Sonic!
Sega should of delayed sonic origins and put more work into the game, Sega hasn't leaned their lesson yet.
They'll rush Sonic Frontiers too. Sega will never learn. I was considering getting it for PC, but they put Denuvo on it.
What's the name of the intro song?
And then you look at the Mario 3D Allstars collection and you think. "So Sega is that lazy, but Nintendo didn't even manage that."
I am THE target demographic for this collection, and I will definitely not be buying it.
Needs so many adjustments to deliver the experience it should be.
The only thing I can say is that this is a major L for classic sonic, this is his first every loss.
I had the Steam version preordered for over a month...
And I barely played it for nine minutes before requesting a refund...
I actually had the Tiger Gamecom port of Sonic Jam back when it came out...
Never thought I would EVER see something run worse then that "game"... But here we are... 🤷
thats a legitimate stretch dude to compare it to jam
That is the most bat shit comparison I’ve ever seen worse than done twitter takes
That game was crappy cause it was not made by Sega but Tiger themselves.
Stop the cap
@@MrLedhed123 No you're right... Sonic Origins has no excuses for being as shit as it is...
As lame as it was, at the very least could have fun with Sonic Jam on the Gamecom...
Back to the Sonic Cycle again.
On the whole "yOu MaKe A bEtTeR gAmE tHeN"...
... one: Can I do better? Nope.
Two: Is that a dumb thing to respond to a customer/player with? Yup.
Three: Can _other people_ do better? ... Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic 3 A.I.R. (That means all-caps YES.)
don't forget about Toby fox!
What song is used in the intro?
A note about the Sonic 2 Hidden Palace Zone soundtrack: many Sonic 2 prototypes/betas had Mystic Cave Zone 2P as the track for the zone, which also features in the ending medley. That, and the fact that Hidden Palace Zone was cut late into development, makes me believe MPZ2P was the intended track for the zone all along
Maybe, after removing the zone, some tracks got scrambled
To add to this, a "Sonic the Hedgehog 1&2 Soundtrack" contains the original demo version of the song ("STH2 Unused Song ~ Masa's Demo version ~" if you're curious).
Unlike the other zone themes, this one doesn't loop and fade out. Instead, the tune changes significantly and has a proper ending, suggesting the song was intended to be used for a cutscene. (Possibly for Sonic turning into Super Sonic.)
@@TheWispGuy furthermore, the bassline in the MCZ2P OST is similar to the chimes/bells in the special stages
Also the reason why the 2 player theme is used for hidden Palace is because that was the ORIGINAL theme for the zone before they made the unused one in the earliest prototypes. I do wish they used the unused one since it sounds so good, but it's not laziness, it's a legitimate choice with reasoning.
It's a good thing that SEGA is aware of the game's issues and the game has been receiving patches, two so far and another one is on the way.
Also I cannot excuse the way they treated the devs. Hopefully this is SEGA's wake up call not to mess with the dev's work.
There were two patches? What?
@@D.AblosFamilia Yep. One to fix the music in the museum and the other was for the rankings.
@@thesonicsegakid Man, I just hope they just re-integrate the mobile builds of Sonic 1, 2 and CD with their Menus at least.
Lack of the stuff that made those ports better makes me pretty salty.
Nah they're doing it as damage control and BECAUSE THE GAME IS SO BROKEN
@@Kacper42PL I don't know tbh. Although, I can't say the same for the Steam version, but the console versions play pretty well. In those versions, the game does have small amount of issues and has a far better score on Metacritic. These issues do tend to get overlooked anyway. They will get patched out though definitely. But I wouldn't call it damage control, because companies as much as they like to annoy people with off putting decisions, do appreciate feedback and will improve what needs fixing up if voices are heard.
Hi, trained musician here! No, there’s no legitimate reason. They artistically decided to make it sound bad.
Who tf are you?
@@ChannelPup Takashi Iizuka
@@gillythekid retire.
When I first saw those prices I was like and the DLC prices I was like "nah bruh, I'm good". I already have the mega collection on gamecube so I can play Sonic 1, 2, 3 and Knuckles whenever I want and I have the Sonic CD port on PS3. So if there was any reason to purchase Sonic Origins it would literally be just to play the classic games with higher quality resolution and to do the spindash in Sonic 1 and the dropdash in Sonic 2.
That last bit about a sad hedgehog in real life was hilarious. Great video as always!
The bare minimum standard set for a collection like this should be being able to play these games as they originally were like on the 16-bit Sega. If Sega can't even manage just that, I'd rather pirate a ROM to get that experience.
I’ve seen the reversal of criticism with frontiers. People who were initially liking the game were getting doxed and absolutely hated on for no reason. God I hate that people don’t know what opinions are anymore
Stop generalizing the people who were fairly criticizing the game(and it's marketing) with the ones who were doing shitty stuff like doxxing.
@@infinitedreamer9359 as someone who has fairly criticized frontiers and wants it to be a better game, I never generalized people fairly criticizing the game. I was talking about people who were liking it were getting doxxed but I never said by whom so please don’t just assume.
@@silvskill5358 From your wording,it seemed it you were implying that ALL people who didn't like/criticized/weren't hyped for the game were doxxing people who were. You didn't mention only some people were doing it in your comment,you just said people and nothing else. I'm sorry if you weren't doing that,but the way you worded your comment made me assume that.
Apparently stealth says that the game was mostly bug free when they finished but it was made much worse when sega shipped it.
I've had a blast with this collection. The bugs are unfortunate and I'm sorry to those who have experienced them. My playthrough has been near excellent and i feel these are the defenitive ways to play these games. It's a good colelction with a ton of stuff in the museum and the added boss rush/mirror mode/missions are nice additional content in my eyes. Again, if you had a shitty time with it I get it, I dont blame you for hating on it. But this is well worth it. Espically from someone who replays these titles a lot and i will replay for years to come so well worth the 40 bucks. This is a great collection. Just patch the bugs out and we're good. This is nowhere near as buggy as Colors Ultimate. Most bugs ive seen are pretty minor and not game breaking in the slightest. It's also getting good critic reviews, not like that matters at all, but most ppl are enjoying the game. Again tho, the bugs shouldnt be here in the first place but ive had a blast and well worth the 40 bucks. I even double dipped for the Switch
You must have never heard of sonic 3 air or sonic 2 absolute if you think this collection is the definitive way to play the classics.
@@rapidcola9465 I have. Im talking about on a modern console. And these are absolutely the best ways to play them on a console. I have played AIR and 3 Complete. They are better. But not everyone knows about or how to do emulation so my comment is this collection is the definitive way to play them on consoles. Widescreen, no lives or time overs. Only gripe is the replaced music tracks but even then, they're not terrible. Not great but they're...... fine lol. I do like Launch Base a lot. Tho the original is still much better. You patch the Tails AI bug in Sonic 2 and some other minor bugs and you're good. And still a classic mode if you want all that stuff. This port had a lot of love poured into Sega just had them rush it out, but you can tell based on the museum and the islands for the games and the added cutscenes. I would still absolutely recommend this collection depending on how much you replay a game. Like for me i replay these so many times so the 40 bucks is made up for in spades
You sound like somebody who just saw the minions and was telling me how impressed you were with the movies visuals while wearing your tuxedo..
Like seriously your last two paragraphs match almost identically from your initial reply to the reply to this other guy... very suspicious...
Seriously how much are they paying you I could smell the plastic grass blades on you.. and I am online!
@@sonicemerald5488 Nope. I've been playing these since the 90s
@@Planag7 whatever you say man idc lol
"There is no hedgehog out there feeling all choked up" im not sure about that man william right next to me seems pretty mad
There are people who are homeless via a war. And sega is charging $45 for this
I'm seeing mixed opinions on Sonic Origins. The only reason why the glitches are even there is because they are using a new engine... that's supposed to prevent them?
The lack of the MJ sonic 3 music is the biggest issue for me, I wish they’d fix the issue that way they could put that in the game or at least not mess up the prototype music.
Plus the pixels being blurry, the sonic 3 sound being muffled, tails constantly jumping, etc is all annoying
If old school sounding music isn't Jun's strong suit, let him break out the guitar and use that instead. Would it sound out of place with 16-bit chip tunes? Undoubtedly, but the more important question you have to ask, would it rock? Let the man work to his strengths!
Well it's pretty obvious that they didn't use the MJ Sonic 3 music for a reason. Pretty sure it's because, oh I don't know, all the controversy that happened during the '90s and the fact that Sega wasn't even supposed to keep using Michael Jackson's music but did anyway. And Michael Jackson is also dead now. Seriously though stop being so ignorant
@@yadienbegode2778 they should’ve just gone with the prototype music instead whatever they did
@@yadienbegode2778DISCLAIMER: This is a *very* long post.
Indeed the whole “90’s controversy” angle seems like a logical business and PR reason by SEGA to drop Michael from Sonic 3’s credits as well as anything related to their future projects forever…except SEGA ended up hiring him again five years later for a live action cameo appearance in their relatively obscure Dreamcast game “Space Channel 5” (released in Japan in 1999, everywhere else it dropped in 2000) which to my knowledge has not yet been delisted by SEGA or come under legal fire from the Jackson estate for copyright infringement/royalties of any kind…Which is interesting considering that instead of his involvement being simply composing music, it’s a live action cameo of Michael Jackson’s actual likeness. The difference is that Michael agreed to this and was properly credited, so there isn’t any apparent legal action present that Michael’s estate could take for SEGA to fret over. On a side note, the uncredited music contribution that while used by SEGA (without paying royalties) really doesn’t account for much of the entire Sonic 3 OST (not including Sonic & Knuckles stages and content, as that was a separate release; I’m only referring to Sonic 3 vanilla). To my knowledge, these are the only tracks remaining from Michael and his team (which through some research I found was primarily a man named Brad Buxer, who is well known as Michael’s former music director for the various concert tours and was a frequent collaborator in Michael’s projects). I put parentheses the most notable instances of Michael Jackson-esque material present in the tracks found in the original 1994 release and every subsequent rerelease prior to Michael’s passing in 2009 (excluding the 1996 PC rerelease “Sonic & Knuckles Collection”). Note: Despite Sonic 3 being released in 1994, some of these examples inspired or led to the development of later songs released by Michael after Sonic 3’s debut:
Carnival Night Act 1&2 (featuring garbled 16-bit renditions of the shattering glass sound clip used in the 1991 MJ song “In The Closet” and a barely discernible vocal clip of a voice saying the word “jam” from the 1991 MJ song of the same name)
Ice Cap Act 1&2 (A reworking of the song “Hard Times” by The Jetzons, a band Brad Buxer belonged to prior to meeting Jackson)
Launch Base Act 1&2
Act 1 Boss theme (featuring a 4-bar swinging hip-hop beat identical to one later heard on the 1996 MJ song “Blood On The Dance Floor” as well as a slightly more discernible voice clip, presumably Michael himself, yelling “Woo!” which is a vocal sound prominently shouted by Michael in various songs throughout his career)
Knuckles’ theme (The rhythm, chord progression and overall beat is virtually identical to the 1996 MJ song “Ghosts” as well as a 16-bit voice clip yelling “Hey!”, which Michael can be heard yelling in the song “Ghosts”)
Competition Menu screen
End Credits (Confirmed by Brad Buxer in a magazine interview be the inspiration and starting point for the composition of the 1995 MJ song “Stranger In Moscow”)
Everything else was not material composed or associated with Michael and his team. That includes:
Angel Island Act 1&2
Hydrocity Act 1&2
Marble Garden Act 1&2
Act 2 boss
Competition mode stages
Results/Stage clear screen
Main Title (Sonic 3 version)
Invincibility theme (Sonic 3 version)
Extra life jingle (Sonic 3 version)
Blue Sphere stage
Slot Machine bonus stage
Glowing sphere bonus stage
Unused Super Sonic theme
Final Boss theme (Big Arms)
As one can see, the tracks composed by Michael and his team barely make up half the entire Sonic 3 OST. In fairness to Michael and the Estate though, SEGA has not been the best when it comes to ponying up cash to pay their various composers for music rights in the past and the estate is within their full legal rights to bar SEGA from using those tracks as they were used without permission. Let me be clear: Jackson’s estate is NOT the villain in this case. SEGA is. There is NO excuse they could have given at the time of release in 1994 or can give now that will clear their name. As unfortunate as it may be, the law is the law. Controversy and cold feet or not, if you decide to to use someone else’s work or product in your own product, bite the bullet. Give credit and pay the dues…The UA-cam user Omega Son is absolutely correct. Given the circumstances of Michael’s publicity nightmares at the time, SEGA absolutely should have just cut the material that is deemed legally questionable before the game’s original release back in 1994 and use the backup tracks already composed (most likely in case Michael opted not to get involved in the project). If Michael had indeed decided that he wasn’t happy with how his compositions sounded on Genesis hardware, then that’s even more reason to do so. But SEGA didn’t, maybe due to a time crunch or sheer laziness which doesn’t hold sh*t in a court of law. The fact remains they blatantly ignored the law, used the tracks without legal permission and the result is what we have now: disappointed and/or angry fans who suffer through legal gridlock to use PART of the soundtrack (not even the entire thing) in any rerelease of a now 30-year-old piece of video game history and being forced to simultaneously remove every other legal option to acquire and play said 30-year-old game with said legally questionable music tracks intact on modern gaming consoles (outside of owning an original cartridge and functioning Megadrive/Genesis console). As for my thoughts on “Sonic Origins”, yet another bungled Sonic project to add to the pile…As a child of the 90’s, this really irks me. Luckily I still have my Genesis I got for Christmas all those years ago, as well as my Sega CD add-on I got a year later for my birthday. It still works when assembled, and I own a copy of each game present in this collection…All are in functional, working order as well. It may not be “widescreen” or “HD” with “online support” or “special features”. There’s no “DLC” to download either. But you know what? My games are functional, free to play, and untouched by the problems “Sonic Origins” suffered due to SEGA’s bad management. And I’m okay with that. ✌️
@@yadienbegode2778 I’m not ignorant, I’m saying they need to just pay for the rights to use it and/or just use the unaltered prototype music
Whats the intro song id like to listen to it
Your comment about Hidden Palace music is probably going to have a lot of people arguing over each other in the comments (likely already does). I've seen entire wars in comment sections over which music track is correct, with a sufficient amount of evidence on both sides. My stance is that both tracks were considered for use in Hidden Palace at different points of production, and I plan on someday doing an in-depth video on why this is my opinion when I get the chance. Also, if you want my personal opinion on which fits better, I think Track 10 should have been used in Hidden Palace because it fits the mysterious nature of it better
While Jun Senoue is an amazing composer and an incredible music talent...
Transcribing music to a Sega Genesis sound font is a whole seperate team. That's the team that's responsible for the pre-Jackson tracks sounding the way they do in the S3 prototype. For whatever reason when it comes to THAT department, Jun... isn't the best to say the least. Even when he tried that style in Sonic 4 it was generally mixed at best with a few exceptions.
It's clear he should stick with real instruments and stay away from Genesis sound font.
Jun is generally good with coming up with unique compositions or incorperating other melodies in new themes 1:1, just the instrumentation is weird. But for some reason, his output significantly worsens when he is supposed to make straight up modifications of preexisting tmelodies. Even most of the remixes in Colors Ultimate could have been better.
I love the intro and outro song, does anyone happen to know what it is?
I believe there was a rumor where the reason the music was compressed was to make the sharp noises sound smoother
One time, I was playing as tails, and I suddenly glitched through the roof of the level and I was able to skip the whole level
11:01 actually it's in the re-release but it's only in level select with a code and hitting hidden palace making you go to proto palace instead with the music being in there
Sega has always hated Sonic, just like Capcom hates Mega Man. I bet Sega would love to have a macho, gritty mascot instead, just like Capcom loves Street Fighter more.
Capcom hates Mega Man?! At least Capcom made the X, Zero, ZX & now the Battle Network Collection on modern console and they all work well. And we had Mega Man 11 and also the Classic Collection, which were good.
Also let's be honest while Megaman and SF are legacy Capcom franchises, if you check out the numbers it's actually Monster Hunter (followed by RE) that's keeping Capcom a float.
@@jaretco6423 well they did love megaman they wouldn't have neglected and mistreated him for so long until after megaman's reception in smash 4 in 2014
@@supergenesisstation1991 Hmm. That is true.
The only reason I’m buying sonic origins is nostalgia for Sonic 1, Sonic 2, and Sonic CD which I played on mobile, in 2012 and 2013
You guys who get sonic origins for $40 are lucky. I got it for $70
yeah a massive rip off considering you can get the mobile versions of sonic 1 and 2 for dollars and put them on your pc using port projects by fans. and you can use sonic 3 air.
On my country this game is $210 💀
Good thing I didn't buy it lol
I really wish the Sonic OVA was in the museum. And I really wish that was my only problem with the game.
16:46 That "new transition" was actually an idea from a fanhack called Sonic 3 Complete, one of the best hacks ever made (almost a spiritual predecessor to Sonic 3 AIR). I'm not saying I'm mad that they copied it, because it's so cool, but it also shows that the creators are aware of these hacks and jump at the chance to use their ideas
at this point were getting more "nostalgia" then modern stuff
Despite what others are saying, I completely agree with you about Hidden Palace Zone in particular! The fact is, Track 10 plays if you access the original version of HPZ, at least what little was left of it. The track was intended for the final version of it.
And by God that track suits the level sooooo much more than the multiplayer track they used.
The beautiful, mysterious, emotional elements Track 10 provides goes perfectly with HPZ. Just like all the other composed tracks do with their respective Zones.
But I also agree to some degree, with the potential Super Sonic theme that could have been used. That was a perfect opportunity & cmon now, we all know a vast majority of us wanted it.
I agree with pretty much everything you've said beyond that, but I feel really strongly about Hidden Palace having its intended track. Was so glad you mentioned it.
I wonder though... is Sonic really a gold dust IP? Is it actually profitable at this point? Sure, Sonic is one of the most recognizable characters in the world, and the movies did great, but are his games actually making big money? If not, that would explain a lot of SEGA's mismanagement of the franchise.